Creative Expression In Video Games

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  • Опубликовано: 24 дек 2024

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  • @kennythekid130
    @kennythekid130 5 месяцев назад +74

    1:16 Holy shit, that moky melee clip was nuts. What he can do with Fox in melee in and out of bracket is genuinely insane. Also this video is really well made, I can't wait for the next video!

    • @gatorssbm
      @gatorssbm 5 месяцев назад +3

      lmao the first half had me like this isnt that g- OH HE COOKING

  • @Nawakooo0
    @Nawakooo0 5 месяцев назад +249

    I'm a simple gal: I see Melee, I click

  • @bubblemage1791
    @bubblemage1791 5 месяцев назад +42

    Your script writing, performance, and editing are fucking GREAT dude. The jokes you have work well, both the verbal and visual ones, the topic is super sick and very clearly well thought out on your end. Keep this shit up, you’re doing a lot right, I dig it.

    • @Stoneey
      @Stoneey  4 месяца назад +6

      thank you for real, you guys are all so nice

    • @fusiongamer9795
      @fusiongamer9795 4 месяца назад +1

      @@Stoneey Awesome video, I totally agree with everything you said! The best games are the ones that allow you to have some creative freedom!!!

  • @SpiderPotterFan
    @SpiderPotterFan 5 месяцев назад +24

    When you mentioned the animations in Halo 5 interrupting the movement flow, I recalled a discussion I had with a friend. He asked me why I liked the web swinging in Spider-Man 2 for the PS2 more than the one in the PS4 game, since it was more detailed in its animations. I realized it is because the swinging is snappier. There is no long animation for shooting the web: it just snaps, and it feels it causes the swinging to go faster in the PS2 game. I'd rather take snappy, instant movement than super detailed but slower animations

  • @Jeapie_z
    @Jeapie_z 4 месяца назад +8

    That moment when you suddenly see an ancient old clip of your own gameplay

    • @Stoneey
      @Stoneey  4 месяца назад +1

      legend dude

  • @BlackbladeYT
    @BlackbladeYT 5 месяцев назад +15

    Very solid video! That skateboard creativity is a huge reason as to why Hack-and-Slash games have always been my favorite genre. You've got the ranking systems of games like DMC and Metal Gear Rising that incentivize stylish combos, the freeflow nature of God of War allowing you to experiment with new ways to break an encounter, or even something like Force Unleashed providing insane physics-breaking force manipulation giving way for all kinds of unusual interactions. It's the primary thing that inspires me to create games of my own and hopefully provide that same level of creative expression through interesting mechanics.

  • @Daft0Cean968
    @Daft0Cean968 5 месяцев назад +26

    This is a big reason why Odyssey (and also BOTW) is my favorite game of all time. I feel like you can do so much with the game's mechanics, it gives a level of freedom I don't get from any other game.

    • @TheNapol
      @TheNapol 5 месяцев назад +3

      Mega based

    • @bluedye4068
      @bluedye4068 4 месяца назад +1

      ​@TheNapol fr thats so valid

  • @SlippyBoyOfficial
    @SlippyBoyOfficial 4 месяца назад +1

    That was a sick video. Loved hearing this breakdown on creativity, and the jokes killed! Informative stuff mixed with comedy is my cup of tea 👌 subscringled. All the way

  • @GoonCommander
    @GoonCommander 5 месяцев назад +22

    Guilty gear letting you roman cancel basically anything into whatever else is such an amazing feature, I heard in the newest strive update you can't cancel DP's but I don't actually play that game anymore so whatever.

    • @bocetintv6904
      @bocetintv6904 4 месяца назад +3

      You can still cancel the heavy versions, but to make up for it the S versions are throw inmune. It's to make both variations more unique from each other and also because DP cancels where particularly op.

  • @koopieloop2154
    @koopieloop2154 5 месяцев назад +46

    Personaly i would say gunz has one of the most skateboard creativity out there

    • @Stoneey
      @Stoneey  4 месяца назад +9

      100% gunz is tight

    • @Hextator
      @Hextator 4 месяца назад +4

      Damn. You mean OG Gunz: The Duel? Could it be? Are there really other people that know that game exists...?

    • @NonJohns
      @NonJohns 4 месяца назад

      ​​@@Hextatoryes it's spirit is still not dead
      you should check out duelista I think you'd like it

    • @matthewbowerman6196
      @matthewbowerman6196 3 месяца назад

      @@Hextatoryeah it’s pretty popular still

  • @iuqz
    @iuqz 4 месяца назад +2

    I really love your take on "skateboard creativity" game design. Never noticed but it's so true, also smash was the best example you could use to demonstrate it

    • @iuqz
      @iuqz 4 месяца назад +1

      Other type of creativity in game design is "build creativity". For a game like pokemon, it's being able to create your own pokemon team, personalize your pokemon with your choice of moves, ev and iv spread, ability, held item, and choosing you "selection" of pokemon. Most rpgs have this kind of creativity, but it's not exclusive to them. A roguelike like hades may also have it, in the form of choosing your boons, choosing you weapon, and combining those to create different types of builds, that makes different types of things.
      Basically, "build creativity" is the possibility of creating various playstyles that interacts with the game uniquely by using the tools that the game provides to do so, those may come in many forms, from just changing passive stats to being able to change active abilities. It's like using lego bricks to build something.

  • @RedXLink
    @RedXLink 5 месяцев назад +12

    This was a great video! I was surprised someone touched on the skating / creating from scratch vibe that melee has.
    Had no idea fortnite had its own game engine now. Super insane but I agree with what you said.
    This is the aspect that makes games legendary and long lasting. Put the creativity into the player's hands.

    • @kennythekid130
      @kennythekid130 5 месяцев назад +4

      Your link is a perfect example of what melee can let you do. Can't wait to see you take names in some brackets this year!

    • @Stoneey
      @Stoneey  4 месяца назад +2

      appreciate it man, keep doing sick shit with link

  • @oldmsgrimm
    @oldmsgrimm 5 месяцев назад +4

    I would of expected a video of this scale and this production quality to have more views in this amount of time. You have just earned yourself a new subscriber.

  • @LeZagna
    @LeZagna 4 месяца назад

    I think about this concept a lot and you've done a really solid job of explaining why modern games with "more options" stifle creativity.
    I fw you heavy bro, you seem chill to play Melee with

  • @ShadeAnris
    @ShadeAnris 5 месяцев назад +1

    Great video! I will say Halo 5 is actually a great example of what you’re talking about in this video. Especially later in the games life the map traversal tech got super creative with things like ramp slides, super bounce, team jumps and crouch spam clambers marking giving a good portion of the maps a crazy amount of creativity especially the one in the clip Truth.

  • @jacksondupont2354
    @jacksondupont2354 4 месяца назад

    Few things make me happier than a video with inspiration from Nakeyjakey without actually copying him, great vid, definitely earned a sub

  • @misterk7_-
    @misterk7_- 4 месяца назад +1

    To me splitgate had peak creativity for a first person shooter. The different ways you could use portals to kill enemies always felt soo good.

  • @BunnyToppy
    @BunnyToppy 4 месяца назад

    I've literally always had this same mentality when it comes to games i play, i love being able to play monster hunter or fighting games with TONS of self expression on how i play, how i look, what i do and everything. Love this vid

  • @dr.unventor
    @dr.unventor 4 месяца назад +1

    I think Spiderheck is a pretty great example of skateboard creativity. The physics based engine and fast gameplay allow for some crazy strategies and you can rarely find two people with similar play styles

  • @Its-Tim
    @Its-Tim 4 месяца назад +1

    I think what you called skateboard creativity is known as skill expression

  • @jimmygameman7912
    @jimmygameman7912 5 месяцев назад +3

    Big fan of these kinds of videos good shit man. I'm hoping the next skate will have lots of what you mentioned with tons of ways people can make sick maps and modes

  • @echo5172
    @echo5172 4 месяца назад +1

    TF2 definitely falls into this category. The sheer amount of tech and creativity in something so ubiquitous as rocket jumping alone is insane. Not to mention the fashion scene, item names, and the endless world of very strange playstyles like Demopan, Penis Scout, and Thin Heavy.
    And don't get me STARTED on friendlies

  • @I-OGameDev
    @I-OGameDev 4 месяца назад

    i am a simple boi: I see , I subscribe

  • @Miracle7Seven
    @Miracle7Seven 4 месяца назад +1

    Hey, thanks for this. I’ve been in a slump, like just statically and going forward boringly, I’m gonna hop on my switch and play something for a bit. Have a nice day

  • @suter3901
    @suter3901 5 месяцев назад +1

    WHY THIS ONLY HAVE 300 VIEWS, THIS DESERVE A MILLION MORE

  • @SaltInYourEye_ICs
    @SaltInYourEye_ICs 4 месяца назад

    This is so true for melee ICs. Since there are endless options of desyncs, handoffs, desynced combos, it’s truly limitless what type of options you have to express yourself. Imo, they are the most expressive characters in melee. By watching I can tell if the player is very good at exicution I’d liked combos, has sub optimal combos but good neutral, or simply swags on you and dose things that you’ve never seen before. I hate it when ppl say the CHARACTER is boring where in reality the player is boring

  • @happyraintf
    @happyraintf 4 месяца назад

    I think TF2 is a game that allows creative expression REALLY really well. Thanks for the awesome video and great insights!

  • @Mayorski
    @Mayorski 4 месяца назад

    Great video man! One of those things i always had an idea of but never formulated why I like these kind of games.

  • @Chromeno
    @Chromeno 5 месяцев назад

    im praying that the algorithm pushes your content cause these vids are amazinggg

  • @lucipo_
    @lucipo_ 4 месяца назад +3

    0:23 YUKI MENTIONED RAHHHHHHHH

  • @AvengerSpencer
    @AvengerSpencer 4 месяца назад +1

    imo steve is the most creative character in ultimate

  • @ssbVanilla
    @ssbVanilla 4 месяца назад +1

    amazing video, linked to my friends

  • @captaineflowchapka5535
    @captaineflowchapka5535 4 месяца назад

    open ended mechanics + free flow between them = emergent gameplay

  • @amonburke9517
    @amonburke9517 4 месяца назад

    Watched this on my break, good video man, also melee mention

  • @jonskillings1258
    @jonskillings1258 5 месяцев назад

    All I know about creativity is that an artist respects the silence that serves as the foundation of creativity.

  • @rckyx
    @rckyx 4 месяца назад +1

    skateboarding game with this creativity would thug pro cuz its more steezy than skate 3 imo

  • @iruvatavoisine6461
    @iruvatavoisine6461 5 месяцев назад +1

    That was a really great video!
    (The MapleStory music sent me back❤)

  • @Gooble25
    @Gooble25 5 месяцев назад +2

    Great video dude, you deserve more views

  • @VapodubzSSBM
    @VapodubzSSBM 5 месяцев назад +8

    melee. just melee

  • @LilKiwi2240
    @LilKiwi2240 4 месяца назад

    Gonna be so real I saw Fox from melee and Mario from Mario 64 and the neurons started to fire

  • @mayac69
    @mayac69 4 месяца назад

    My favorite Skateboard creativity game is Kingdom Hearts. 2 and 3 specifically. You can beat the game with basic Key hits, but weaving combos , magic, transformations and summons is the most fun part of those games.

  • @I-OGameDev
    @I-OGameDev 4 месяца назад

    further reading for viewers: Lean Massey's 'Combo Variety'

  • @Tastefuljoy
    @Tastefuljoy 4 месяца назад

    Yo. I grew up skating in real life and playing Melee.
    The homie and I always knew there was something between the two.

  • @trajectoryunown
    @trajectoryunown 5 месяцев назад

    I never realized until now, but my style in Tony Hawk games is pretty unique.

  • @Canarye
    @Canarye 4 месяца назад

    that's why i love immersive sims like prey, hitman and dishonored

  • @CERTAIND00M
    @CERTAIND00M 4 месяца назад

    Easily some of the most fun I've ever had playing a video game was during the original Halo's prime when a buddy and I came up with a multiplayer mode called "Warthog". Our friend group ended up getting so into it, we formed teams and rivalries. Lifelong friendships were tested; others were forged. For anyone who is curious, the rules were deceptively simple:
    *MAP:* Blood Gulch
    *SPECIAL SETTINGS:* unlimited sticky grenades
    *RULES:* If someone is on foot, you can only run them over or melee them. If you are on foot, you can throw sticky grenades at anyone in a Warthog.
    Sounds pretty basic, right? I just hope you've already formed a strong bond with most of your friends.

  • @KalebSDay
    @KalebSDay 4 месяца назад

    Impeccable video, had to add this to the "Gaming" playlist which is a rare thing. Suggestion to add the mang0 vs Plup Summit combo on Pokemon Stadium the next time you reference Melee haha :D Really enjoy how you were able to tie this overarching concept with so many video game examples and not narrow it down to just one series.
    Well done man!

  • @shaquessejones9947
    @shaquessejones9947 5 месяцев назад +2

    this beat though in the back ground is fire

    • @ImanFate
      @ImanFate 5 месяцев назад

      It's in Skate 2

  • @ImEmilyy__
    @ImEmilyy__ 5 месяцев назад +1

    Really great video! Amazing job!

  • @VyStarixOfficial
    @VyStarixOfficial 4 месяца назад

    Nickelodeon All Star Brawl series is another good example of player expressions, especially nasb 1 that game had crazy amounts of combos

  • @dissonanceparadiddle
    @dissonanceparadiddle 4 месяца назад

    Oh I see instead of it being the kind of creative thing to hang up in a gallery there's games that have performance art

  • @I-OGameDev
    @I-OGameDev 4 месяца назад

    Last comment, promise (?)
    Love the writing style, super ecomonic word choice that still crams in a tonne of personality and style (made at 03:30, seque was clean)

    • @I-OGameDev
      @I-OGameDev 4 месяца назад

      update: NAH BRO THE ADVANCED WARFARE TAKE IS SO GOOD GET OUTTA HERE

    • @Stoneey
      @Stoneey  4 месяца назад

      ay the comments don't go un-appreciated lmao greatly appreciate the love fr

  • @G-lint
    @G-lint 4 месяца назад

    This video has a criminally low amount of views.
    I knew there was something special about all the games you listed that had me coming back again and again. Thank you for voicalizing it for me 😅

  • @moose9504
    @moose9504 5 месяцев назад +5

    Loved the video 👍🏼

  • @isoito5927
    @isoito5927 4 месяца назад

    Wasn't expecting lord Aris to be in the video

    • @isoito5927
      @isoito5927 4 месяца назад

      Btw you literally hit the nail with the issue with Tekken 8.
      Heat is such a powerful mechanic the game revolves entirely around it and agression. The original footsies, keep out, defensive playstyle that encouraged creativity is replaced by just pressing one button until the match is over.

  • @GoonCommander
    @GoonCommander 5 месяцев назад +1

    I did not know Halo 3 had sandbox, I understand now.

  • @thregg
    @thregg 4 месяца назад

    I am the exact audience of this video and I am glad to have received this video in my feed

  • @I-OGameDev
    @I-OGameDev 4 месяца назад

    Damn bro, this took a week to make at MINIMUM

  • @freddywondercat1362
    @freddywondercat1362 4 месяца назад +1

    Finally someone who gets it

  • @shaquessejones9947
    @shaquessejones9947 5 месяцев назад +1

    loving the video so far!

  • @merideri
    @merideri 4 месяца назад

    very nice video and cool topic. nice work!

  • @CaramelFoxSFW
    @CaramelFoxSFW 4 месяца назад +3

    Sonic would also fit in the skateboard section

    • @ZX_STH
      @ZX_STH 4 месяца назад

      Sonic Frontiets movement tech is sick!

  • @cdkw2
    @cdkw2 5 месяцев назад +2

    I don't know why, but I remember that there was a music channel which posted chill Pokémon music sometimes. There was one with a slowpoke throughout the video. He had the same pfp as you, but since a long time I am unable to find him. You remind me of him for some reason.

    • @we-must-live
      @we-must-live 5 месяцев назад

      they very well may be the same being…

    • @cdkw2
      @cdkw2 5 месяцев назад +1

      @@we-must-live Maybe

  • @HamZero
    @HamZero 5 месяцев назад +3

    Awesome Video.

  • @TurboManExtreme
    @TurboManExtreme 4 месяца назад

    eat my pants, i won't play melee

  • @comborios2223
    @comborios2223 4 месяца назад

    should’ve added clips from the Dribbling community on NBA2K

  • @farquaadgaming_
    @farquaadgaming_ 4 месяца назад

    After discovering tf2 rocket jumping, most other games movement just seem boring and flat. Its a blessing to find such an incredible form of emergent gameplay, but a curse in how my standards have been risen to almost unachievable heights.

  • @spiffythealien
    @spiffythealien 4 месяца назад +1

    I agree, those ledge grab animations ARE pointless! They ARE a worthless animation...in Melee. They SHOULD remove the pointless animation...from Melee...

  • @rupertslaps
    @rupertslaps 5 месяцев назад +1

    My favorite garrys mod server is 1945RP

  • @kdariver8411
    @kdariver8411 4 месяца назад

    0:59 is that that one jerma picture

  • @Tejps
    @Tejps 4 месяца назад

    underrated channel and video

  • @lamMeTV
    @lamMeTV 4 месяца назад

    You should link the 90 second video

  • @nuclearether7485
    @nuclearether7485 4 месяца назад

    elden ring skateboarding is so underrated. ongbal is so sick.

  • @tVichi
    @tVichi 5 месяцев назад

    11:56 wait, is that footage from the Luigi’s balloon world video by dunkey???

  • @chosentoaster6626
    @chosentoaster6626 5 месяцев назад +1

    On the topic of Halo's forge mode. Can we take a moment to appreciate Halo infinite's forge mode.
    Halo Infinites forge tool is phenomenal and players can build just about anything they want. It's just a shame 343 took a year to implement forge and also messed up everything else about the game.

  • @xev2620
    @xev2620 5 месяцев назад

    new youtuber to watch while eating?!

  • @maurzu7299
    @maurzu7299 4 месяца назад

    You explain shit so amazingly

    • @maurzu7299
      @maurzu7299 4 месяца назад

      the skateboard analogy was on point

  • @timmyappletree6531
    @timmyappletree6531 4 месяца назад

    3:12 clip is that shortcat?

  • @rixfx_
    @rixfx_ 5 месяцев назад

    hell yea dude love your stuff

  • @theknightwithabadpictotall7639
    @theknightwithabadpictotall7639 5 месяцев назад

    "I've seen the amount of skins you have in Fortnite"
    Huh? What Fortnite?

  • @truecrispyyy
    @truecrispyyy 5 месяцев назад

    Nice Video!
    Can someone tell me where the music at 1:13 is from? I know the song but can't remember the name.

    • @Stoneey
      @Stoneey  4 месяца назад

      Unreal Tournament 99 - The Course
      glad you enjoyed the vid :D

  • @CaptainBamboo
    @CaptainBamboo 4 месяца назад

    arcanists has insane creative expression

  • @Multi1
    @Multi1 4 месяца назад

    LMAO, instantly demonized from the beginning.
    Someone of the best games ever made, Super Smash Brothers Melee, Team Fortress 2, Street Fighter Third Strike, Minecraft, Tetris, have insane freedom to express yourself.

  • @Micha-Hil
    @Micha-Hil 4 месяца назад +1

    I'm ashamed you didn't mention building in Fortnite. That's like the mantra of player expression, a build your own obstacle course.

    • @CoralCopperHead
      @CoralCopperHead 4 месяца назад

      You mean "throwing up a giant tower in less than ten seconds the moment a bullet passes anywhere nearby to immediately erase whoever shot at you then take off to look for more loot," right?

    • @Micha-Hil
      @Micha-Hil 4 месяца назад

      @@CoralCopperHead that's like the most surface level anti-build argument of all time

    • @CoralCopperHead
      @CoralCopperHead 4 месяца назад

      @@Micha-Hil "anti-build?" Sorry, I've never played the game, I'm still seething over Epic ditching UT. Not familiar with the term.

    • @Micha-Hil
      @Micha-Hil 4 месяца назад

      @@CoralCopperHead oh, shit, you're a real UT head? mb bro
      i'm just talking about like, zero build players hating build mode for whatever reason

  • @DrSnegg
    @DrSnegg 5 месяцев назад +1

    Criminal that this video only has this much views

  • @uriyasama
    @uriyasama 4 месяца назад

    Wondering if there are any others like me, who are turned off by this form of self expression in my gaming experience 😅

  • @SillyDogJoe
    @SillyDogJoe 4 месяца назад

    I like Mario, he’s like my hero :D

  • @tgsgresh11
    @tgsgresh11 5 месяцев назад +1

    Great vid!

  • @Sean_Jaggers
    @Sean_Jaggers 4 месяца назад

    Geometry dash is a huge example!!

  • @1evildoer
    @1evildoer 4 месяца назад

    Read my thoughts exactly… I’ve been playing way more CS than valorant purely because I can express myself through gameplay better.

    • @CoralCopperHead
      @CoralCopperHead 4 месяца назад

      Can't say I've ever seen anyone claim that CS has good player expression.

  • @NourMohamed-xe8zw
    @NourMohamed-xe8zw 4 месяца назад

    What’s the song at 1:15?

    • @Stoneey
      @Stoneey  4 месяца назад

      Unreal Tournament 99 - The Course

  • @riffz6065
    @riffz6065 4 месяца назад

    Melee is superior to ultimate

  • @Nawakooo0
    @Nawakooo0 5 месяцев назад +3

    Creative expression is why Paladins is a better game than Overwatch 2

  • @hibbs1712
    @hibbs1712 4 месяца назад

    jesus fuck breath of the wild was such a great experience

  • @slammoski
    @slammoski 4 месяца назад

    Stoney vid = good day

  • @ThatPenguin
    @ThatPenguin 4 месяца назад

    10:54 i solved that puzzle by flipping the whole board and getting a straight way with no walls to the platform

  • @bdizzle__
    @bdizzle__ 5 месяцев назад

    Great video 👍

  • @Ihadtochangemyusername
    @Ihadtochangemyusername 5 месяцев назад

    Melee melee melee melee

  • @CoralCopperHead
    @CoralCopperHead 4 месяца назад +1

    The Halo 5 example is a pretty poor comparison, considering the non-sprinting speed across the entire franchise has always been sluggish as hell. I still remember coming to Halo 1 from UT99 and Perfect Dark thinking "why the hell is this super soldier so slow and restricted to carrying a grand total of four weapons, two of which are locked into being specific types of grenade at all times?"

  • @WhyWert
    @WhyWert 4 месяца назад

    Hey I noticed you used a clip directly for a summoning salt video. For your sake change it and just find the original clip. 2:59