Reaction To Forgotten 1943 Battle Between America & Canada
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- Reaction To Forgotten 1943 Battle Between America & Canada (Canadian History)
This is my reaction to Forgotten 1943 Battle Between America & Canada
In this video I react to Canadian military history from 1943, during WW2, when they had a battle with the USA.
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Something you might be interested in. The 1st Special Service Force, a joint Canada / US unit was created because Major Robert T. Frederick of the US Army, wanted the expertise of Canada to train a unit to handle special operations during WW2. By the end of the training, Major Frederick wanted a uniform that reflected the joint force. They wore the US fatigues and adopted the Canadian green beret. This is why the US army special forces wear the green beret to this day.
devils brigade
@@kalcuthbert3090 Yup. That's them.
Known for leaving notes on dead German patrols saying "We're watching you"
Ya and its the reason why Canadian soldiers in the west hide their green berets when they get posted to Fort Lewis. Either the Americans steal them or some ya ho Canadian well steal it to trade for American military items (1 Green beret in the early 1980s used to get 1 American AR15); 5 used to get you a full jeep (which was worth allot more than an AR15)
My neighbor when I was growing up was a member ofvthe devils brigade, he was wounded at anzio by a 88.
Side note - 30K Americans and 5300 Canadians landed there, but the Canadians inflicted 7 times the casualties in that brief battle. Not to be trifled with.
A target rich environment
Volunteers with bolt action rifles vs draftees with semi auto rifles.
Nothing to brag about here.
You might say our secret is war crimes🇨🇦
As a Canadian, no we’re not sorry.
My uncle Joe Hoffart was in the Canadian army's Rocky Mountain Rangers regiment and landed on Kiska on August 16, 1943. Everyone wore US gear so no one would ever mistake friends for foes. As the video states, it did not work because the place was so foggy. One of my uncle's lieutenants, who was from Newfoundland (which was not part of Canada at the time), picked up a phone headset in an abandoned Japanese cave-bunker and it exploded, smearing him all over the cave ceiling. My uncle witnessed this when he was about 20 or so. He hated the place because it was wet, cold, windy and filled with booby traps. 70 mph winds were common and you had to go places in groups so you could hang onto each others hands, especially on a hillside. He was stuck on Kiska until January 1944, when he was sent back to Canada and then eventually to northwest Europe where he fought the Nazis in Belgium and the Netherlands, before serving in the occupation forces until 1946. He only ever told me this story in the 1990s when he was in his 70s and I was about 40 or so. It was the only time he ever spoke of the war to me. His sons told me he almost never spoke of the war to them either. I was born in 1958 and have found that most veterans who were on the pointy end never spoke of WW2, unless they had a funny story to tell. 🤔🤷♂🤯
Yes, my dad too.
That’s very true, my father was in the RHLI from Sept 39 to August 45. He never talked about the war unless it was a funny story. Miss him.
@@BobSmith-ui4qu Bob, was your dad at Dieppe? I know the Royal Hamilton Light Infantry were there.
My uncle and aunt were in the war , never knew until 10 years before they left.
My father was the same people told me that if the war came up in conversation he would go quiet and leave the room. He took his own life in 1961 I was too young to remember him but every one that knew him said that it was the war that killed him it just took a long time. Thanks for letting me get that off my chest!
Mark Felton productions are always factual and well researched and very interesting. Far better than many history channels on line.
67 year old Canadian here and this is the first I've heard of this.
Same here. 67 and I've never heard of this before. Is someone had asked me when was the last time Canadians fought Americans I would have said The Battle of Chateauguay in 1813.
This should be good, I never head of this..
I heard of it long ago, but it was a footnote to the fearmongering threat of a Japanese invasion of the US mainland, perpetrated by that paragon of racism, Gen DeWitt. All I can recall is it being referred to as a friendly fire incident. No mention of the island being unoccupied, that I can recall. But this was decades ago, so I may be missing some pieces of the picture.
74 year old Canadian here, and this is the first time I've heard of this too!
Such incidents are very common in warfare. Advanced technology doesn't do much to limit it. Rather, it can make it worse. When Canadian forces fought alongside American forces in Afghanistan, the first Canadian casualties were the result of a "friendly fire" incident. An American F-16 dropped a laser-guided bomb on a Canadian battle group, mistaking it for a Taliban attack, killing four and wounding eight. The reaction of the Canadian public was not particularly angry. It was more along the lines of rolling eyes and muttering "well, that's what you expect when you team up with the trigger-happy Yanks. You just have to deal with it." Canadians, of course, took over the toughest fighting zones, chiefly in Kandahar, and as usual sustained the highest percentage of casualties among the "allied" forces in the war. The chief Canadian concern was that the gadget-oriented American commanders wanted to fight the war at a distance, with a massive presence in Saudi Arabia fighting a video-game war from computer consoles, directing missiles and aircraft while drinking cokes and eating burritos. The Canadian commanders knew that this was no real substitute for boots on the ground. But American and Canadian soldiers in the battle zones did not resent each other to any noticeable degree. Nor did the Canadian public, though it was well covered in the Canadian press. Despite the friendly fire incident, there was mutual respect between the two armies. Most casualties came from land mines and other booby-traps, and those devices didn't really care how macho or brave you were. Both American and Canadian soldiers knew that the bulk of mine fatalities were suffered by innocent children --- approximately 30,000 kids died from them over the course of the war. As for the American public, I doubt that any significant number of them ever heard of the first friendly fire incident. This was my impression at the time, but I would be happy to hear from either Americans or Canadians who were there if my impression is accurate.
Another friendly fire event also happenned in Afghanistan that went almost unnoticed, There was a Nepalese unit of mine sweepers from Nepal who were working there to rid the country of the mines left in the ground by the Russians. They were killed in the first bombardments on Kandahar. I wonder if the American government ever issued some kind of aknowledgment or excuse for both these events. All throughout last world war Canadians did a lot of fighting with the allies and it seems the Americans took most of the credit for winning the war. Same with the Korean war. ⚜🍁
@@ordyhorizonrivieredunord712 Un film sur Léo Major et la libération des Pays-Bas, s'il était bien réalisé, aurait un succès mondial. . . . si quelqu'un a la sagesse de le produire ! Peut-on convaincre Denis Villeneuve de le faire ?
@@philpaine3068 Je ne sais vraiment pas qui de nos jours aurait les moyens de reconstituer de tels événements. Dans ma jeunesse, avec les cadets nous portions les anciens uniformes datant de la première guerre mondiale. Qui pourrait fournir la logistique, le matériel, tout ce que ça prend, c'est presque impensable. Aujourd'hui à 71 ans, je me contente de regarder. Je ne connais pas Denis Villeneuve... Je vais faire une recherche. ⚜
@@ordyhorizonrivieredunord712 Denis Villeneuve est un réalisateur et scénariste qui est actuellement l'un des cinéastes les plus réussis et respectés au monde. Ses films canadiens ont reçu des éloges internationaux et, en 2013, son arrivée à Hollywood a donné naissance à certains des films les plus réussis au monde. Il a remporté de nombreux "Oscars." Son adaptation du roman Dune, avec Timothée Chalamet dans le rôle principal, domine a ce moment les écrans du monde. Il est connu pour son souci du détail et sa capacité à combiner une écriture intelligente avec une superbe mise en scène.
Un film sur Léo Major trouverait, j'en suis sûr, de nombreux soutiens financiers aux Pays-Bas, et tout le monde dans ce pays irait probablement le voir.
@@philpaine3068 Je viens de voir quelques documentaires à son sujet dont un sur Dune qu'il a refait . Je ne doute pas de sa capacité de cinéaste et si quelqu'un capable de financer l'opération l'invitait à diriger la réalisation d'un tel film ce serait quelque chose à voir. Léo Major est un des plus grands héros de la dernière guerre. 🍁
Canadian here. I knew of the Aleutian Islands, which were believed to have once been a land bridge which brought the Innu/Inuit from northern Europe to North America, and eventually, to inhabit the majority of "Turtle Island" (North America) as the Indigenous peoples. I had not heard about the tragedy that was this battle, however. How very sad for all those soldiers and their families! No small wonder that soldiers returning from active duty rarely spoke about the horrors they witnessed. The trauma was very damaging psychologically for many of them. 😢
I had an uncle who was part of the Canadian force that took part in this invasion. He did tell me about the boobie traps left behind by the Japanese. He said the most innocent looking thing could be rigged to explode. They had to be extremely careful about what they touched. He never mentioned the battle with the Americans. I guess it was just something he wanted to forget.
Check out the Battle of Kap Yong during the Korean War. I believe 128 Canadians stood they're ground and held back a huge Chinese force that was advancing on Seoul.
Aussies (3RAR) and Canucks (2PPCLI) outnumbered 10-1 defended their positions and basically prevented the capture of Seoul. Another one you might enjoy reading is Leo Major and the battle for Hill 355, or Medak Pocket. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%A9o_Major#Second_Distinguished_Conduct_Medal
Those units I mentioned received US Presidential Unit Citations for their actions
That was the PPCLI. Forget which Battalion. They were attacked by a Chinese Rifle Regiment but the Canadians held thier Position. Apparently if they didn't, it would have been a catastrophe for The UN Troops.
That Patricia Battalion was Awarded a Unit Citation from the President of the United States eh. Pretty Cool. 🇨🇦👍🍻
The Little Black Devils. The PPCLI. German named for how hard they fought and their black uniforms.
My older brother was a PPCLI reservist until he went air force. They used to be based out of Kap Yong Barracks, here in Winnipeg. Moved in the 90s bout an hour or so west.
My uncle, Sgt. George Robinson, 6-2, a Canadian, volunteered for the First Special Service Force, "Devil's Brigade". As a member of the FSSF, he was at Kiska. He was KIA'd at Anzio, Feb. 18/44.
You should research the Halifax Explosion during World War I...the largest man made explosion in history prior to the nuclear bomb...leveled the port city of Halifax, NS. A great deal of relief came from Boston, Mass to help Halifax...and to this day, every year, Nova Scotia sends a Christmas Tree to Boston as a symbol of our appreciation.
I believe he did do a show about that.
Yes, that explosion was looked at for the nuclear weapons, ground vs air.
Halifax explosion, believe this ship had come up from Boston loaded for overseas before it was detonated. Basically equivalent to 9/11.
@@Karen-p9t5gare you suggesting a false flag attack?
It’s completely incomparable to 9-11. One vessel was French, one was Norwegian.
Neither were en route from Boston. Boston was the first and fastest city to send aid to Halifax. That is why the Christmas tree is sent to Boston every year.
I implore you to do some more research on the Halifax Explosion. Most Atlantic Ocean cities in North America have been pretty good at supporting in time of need.
I've watched many World War II documentaries but I didn't know about this disastrous battle, the Japanese retreating and boobytrapping the island. Thanks for reacting to the video.
Yes I know about these Islands and the attempt by the Japanese to take them. One of the results of this menace was the building of the Alaska Highway by the US essentially from Edmonton, Alberta through the Yukon into Alaska and all the way to Anchorage. Once finished it was used to move material from the continental US to Alaska. The highway is still in use today for both transportation and tourists.
The Alaska Highway was not an entirely US venture as the Canadian Government and the Canadian Army's Royal Canadian Engineers had equal part in building it. It was a monumental achievement for both the USA and Canada and that should not be forgotten. The speed in which they constructed puts road projects nowadays to shame. More impressive is how the two country's governments and their Military's worked together with such organization and cooperation was and still is very impressive. If you look at the speed in which the entire road project was completed in. they had to cut though the rugged canadian Rockys to achieve their mission
I never heard of this but thank you! ❤🇨🇦
same here
A lot of casualties in Europe were the result of mistakes made by one allied unit against unit(s) of other allied countries. The expression “friendly fire” is a Madison Avenue phrase designed to obscure the fact that some units fucked up and fired ordinance carelessly. A lot of American bombs were carelessly dropped on British and Canadian positions during WWII. This caused much resentment.
So true. My father who was stationed in Italy said that when the Americans joined, they seem oblivious to the fact the both sides were almost on their knees after fighting for years. They blew in a bit slaphappy with tons of equipment, food, and nylons, which pleased some of the Brits and annoyed the others with their cavalier attitude. To make matters worse they had lots of equipment and fire power and were quite liberal. My dad said if the Germans or English or Canadians flew over they didn’t duck unless they were a target because none of them ever wasted ammunition. If it was the Americans everybody ducked because they’d blanketed the area.
My Dad was an original Canadian member of the FSSF he spoke very little of his experience of war. I still have his V42 dagger and other memorabilia. These items will be passed down to his grandsons. RIP Dad
Shows how much a soldier's profile matters in battle. During WWII the Americans formed a group to improve the design of the standard GI helmet; the results weren't implemented as the improved design looked very much like the German helmet of the day. The brass realised that friendly fire incidents would increase dramatically if they approved the new design...
Know of the islands? I've been to two of them with RCAF CP-140 Aurora maritime patrol aircraft. Was on Adak for 3-4 days back around '87 when there was still a US Navy air facility located there. I spent about two weeks in 2003 on Shemiya supporting long range patrols looking for illegal drift net fishing trawlers in the North Pacific.
Also knew of the Japanese occupying several of them during WW2 and there being a campaign to free them.
Didn't know of this incident though.
Mark Felton music slaps so hard. He’s the best historian on YT.
Already a fan and follower of Dr. Felton's channel for a very long time. Knew about the islands and the campaign during WW2 to retake them from Japanese forces. First learned about Kiska and the ugly friendly fire mess that happened there from a book about another joint Canadian, American military group you might enjoy learning more about. They were mentioned in the video, the 'First Special Service Force', also referred to as 'The Black Devils' or 'Devil's Brigade'! Which was made up of both American and Canadian solders and saw action in Italy and Europe after the Alaskian islands campaign.
I did know about this incident. But it's not something that's taught in school in Canada.
Our schools do a piss poor job of covering Canadian history at all, much less our military history.
That was *not* helped by the fact a lot of US draft dodgers who came up here ended up in our school systems, setting curricula.
I was taught *far* more about the British Empire and the States than Canada. Probably, literally, by an order of magnitude.
Hi, Canadian history nerd here, I was aware of this tragedy, and the reasons for the Expedition. Also, my father in law was an engineer in the engine room of one of the troopships that took the poor guys up to Alaska. Sorry, I can't remember the name of the ship. Regards from Canada 🇨🇦
The numbers are deceptive. Only 24 were killed by friendly fire, and it wasn't entirely US vs Canada, it was friendly fire all around. Canadians shot Canadians, Americans shot Americans. It was extremely foggy and men were shooting at silhouettes in the distance. Easy mistake to make considering the Japanese were steadfast soldiers who never surrendered or retreated! (One Japanese soldier in the Philippines refused to surrender until the 70's!) Another important point to make is that before the US entered into WW2, 40,000 Americans enlisted in the Canadian military, and after Pearl Harbor, 26,000 Canadians enlisted in the US! There would have been Canadians there in US uniform and vice versa, There were also 5 squadrons of RCAF fighters and bombers stationed in Alaska during WW2, and a few pilots were awarded the US Distinguished Flying Cross! It's sad seeing how separated and distant our 2 nations have become. Up until the 50's, moving from Canada to the US or from the US to Canada was just as simple as moving from Province to Province or State to State! My family is spread out all across the continent and live in both countries. A lot of them have dual citizenship. When I go there I feel at home and they feel the same when visiting here. We're family.
I got to know two fellows while living in Kamloops, BC who flew Bolingbroke patrol aircraft out of Prince Rupert, BC during the war. Everyday day they patrolled the North Pacific following the Aleutian Islands as far west as they could and returning to Prince Rupert at the end of their patrol. They also scoured the north Pacific for any submarines or Japanese shipping. They said their war was boring as hell, because in all that time they never saw anything resembling the Japanese.
@@billfarley9167 I know they bombed the 5hit outta them on the islands, took out a zero, and got credit for taking out a sub in Alaska. My friends grandfather flew sub patrol on the Atlantic in a Lancaster and he said the most action they got was bombing a suspected sub, but it ended up being a massive blue whale! Other than that, the highlight of their patrols was saving up all their empties and garbage to "bomb" Portuguese fishing boats with it (and their 5#!T bucket)!
My grandfather was part of that. He was a sapper for Canada's RCE.
Not well know or much taught, often referred to as just friendly fire accident clearing US Alaskan territories. Those islands form a kind of ice and land bridge between North America and Russia, believed to be how the Native American/first Nations people arrived here.
West coast natives. some think there was some sort of similar human migration on the east coast too, but no one know how. No land connections but possibly crossed the ice shield
Many Canadians were killed or captuted defending Hong Kong against the Japanese in 1941 and early 1942.
A true 'Fog of War' story. I'm not sure the helmets had anything to do with it; but who knows. This is just spculation by the narrator to explain what happened.
The way it sounded to us when they taught us about it, it was so foggy that neither side could really see the other and it sounded like the enemy and what they where able to see, look like Japanese equipment
Dr. Mark Felton is not just a narrator. You should check out his channels.
I knew about the Aleutian Islands fighting as I read a separate book about it back in high school, but I don’t recall it mentioning a friendly fire incident. Wow that’s really unfortunate.
As a Canadian I didn't know this, Thank You.
Not WW2, but in WW1 the Canadians lost a lot at Paschendale, and also were the ones to take Vimy after many failed attempts. The Vimy memorial, and particularly, the land it is on, actually belongs to the Canadian department of veterans affairs, as a gift from the French.
The Dutch send tulips to the Canadian capital of Ottawa every year in thanks of the Canadian’s effort in liberating their country.
The raid on Dieppe was a testing ground for the strategies that would be used in Normandy, and it came at great cost. That raid was never going to be a foothold. It was a test.
You will need to look at a map of Alaska to understand the battleground in the Aleutian Islands. ❤️🇨🇦
Just wonder why no town was ever built up there
In the war some of the US soldiers sent to Alaska were sent with tropical gear,, in error or due supply. But not geared out for elements.
I knew about the islands but never heard of the battle.
Yeah, I've heard of this but I couldn't remember it on the spot, I need it to be described to have some memories...
I knew all about this conflict - my grandfather was there !
"It was unusual for a joint Canadian-American affair to occur in The Pacific."
It was unusual for Canada to do *anything* in The Pacific. Don't recall (m)any Canadians at Midway, Leyte Gulf, Iwo Jima, Okinawa....
December 7, 1941 - Battle of Hong Kong. Force 136 - Chinese Canadian CAF recruits seconded to SOE served behind enemy lines in SE Asia 1944-45, RCAF in Malaya/Singapore/Burma/India/Ceylon throughout the war, RCN battle group off Okinawa in 1945, RCN flight crews with RN Fleet Arm off Japanese home islands in 1945. 10,000 Canadian servicemen served in Asia & the Pacific during WWII and an invasion force of over 24,000 CAF were preparing to invade Japan prior to the Atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Nowhere near the US and British commitment of men and materiel, but hey … Canada always hit above its belt weight - even in the Pacific.
Not to mention we were already at war for over 2 years in the Atlantic, where nearly all of our massive naval force was concentrated. The 3rd (or debated 4th) largest navy in the world by the end of WW2, The RCN combined with the 2nd largest, the RN allowed the USN to concentrate most of it's naval forces in the Pacific where it dwarfed their Atlantic fleet and was more commonly found working in conjunction with the RAN and RNZN. Certainly it's easy to dismiss Canada's contributions when you see that Canada "only" sent 5000 troops to Kiska while the US sent more than 30,000, or Canada "only" took one beach at Normandy while the US and UK both took 2, but perhaps you are similar to my SOB family (South Of Border LOL) and don't realize Canada was "only" 1/5th the size of the UK and less than 1/10th the size of the US in population at the time!
Now I know why we didn't wear the M1 helmet in ww2
The netting on the helmets stood out from a distance to German troops in Europe. Either stuff it with camo materiel, or lose it.
actually there where a good number of Canadians who did where it. Special forces for 1, and some basic infantry took them to use. Same with the American rifles (that one confused me because I was told by most that the British rifle was better). The American uniforms Canada liked because it was lighter and cooler in summer and can easily converted for winter time use (which is why we came up with the Comat uniform in the mid 1950s and started issuing them in 1963)
Thanks for making this Can/Am campaign in the northpacific known to me Mert, as i have never heard about it ever before now!
not unlike some of youre other followers, i am an older canadian fellow from Alberta.
I am very proud of my family's military service in WW1 & WW2 respectively.
I agree, utterly tragic that 313 men lost their lives, and equally as tragic 313 familys lost their Son,Father,Brother,
Husband and freind!
Top Brass lacking empathy might have deemed the opporation embarrassing, which underscores how important a strong chain of command is, including good recon intel translated accuratly and consisly for optimal mission debriefing preparedness.
Thats where the Deadliest Catch fleet sails from for King Crab Fishing, haha
As a Canadian, I can see why niether the Canadians nor the Americans were anxious to advertise this great military victory. Least said soonest mended.
FoF or Friend or Foe back then was difficult to begin with even today unless you wear marker of some kind from the air everyone is enemy
I actually have a Japanese captured rifle from this battle.A Type 44 carbine.
A the beginning of world war 2 when the usa was not in the war yet, my father told me they would patrol the westcoast of America and pull over any ship they wanted.
I told him that was quite audacious just barging into US territorial waters like that.
He replied:"We were at war. They weren't."
I also have a secret mission story my father went on recovering a ballon fire bomb that sailed across the Pacific and landed on Hornby island.
I think I am the only oerson left who knows about it.
I have pics too.
Mark Felton videos are great and so informative
I'm Canadian and did not know of this Alaskan fiasco. Two more events you may find interesting are The 1917 Halifax explosion which, until the atomic bombs were dropped, was the largest man-made explosion, lowering Halifax Harbour by 30 feet. The other event is the attack on Estaban Point lighthouse in British Columbia by Japanese submarine I-17. Although heavily attacked, the lighthouse was untouched, with shells either falling into the beach sands in front or splashing into the inlet behind it. In the early 70's an artillery round was found in the sand and had to be removed by Canadian bomb disposal staff from the local military base. A couple of Canadian tidbits to peek your interest.
I was familiar with the Attu/Kiska campaign but unaware of the conflict to this extent. It was a mirror footnote in the book that some parties have come into conflict.
Blue on blue. Tragic. Being on the west coast if 🇨🇦 never knew about this.
Ooops! A sad story. Canadians and Americans are truly friends and family. As a matter of fact, I’m a Canadian, and my younger brother is an American.
my family is from glascow, what part are you from?
Don't feel bad about not having heard about this.
I'm Canadian and I've never heard about it 😁
I'm Canadian and the islands are well known, but largely uninhabited as you say. I had no idea about this tragic friendly fire incident.
The locals were relocated for the most part during WW2. The villagers of Attu were kidnapped by the Japanese and interned in Japan where they were treated VERY badly!
What a shame.
I am Canadian and have heard of this. Not from our education system but through documentaries. I've learned 100x more about history from online videos than from our education system. Yes there is a lot of BS misinformation out there. If anything formal education is helpful in sorting out clueless misinformers and intelligent documentary producers.
Camp X, Whitby, Ontario. Canadas spy camp was the best in the world. They dont talk about it, but 007 spy was not British, but Canadian. He ran Camp X and the character was created after him.
Friendly Fire incident, not the first time it has happened in combat.......
As a Canadian, this is the first time I’ve heard of this incident.
Yeah we don't talk about that op very much
I never heard of it, I know about the Islands now I see friendly fire it happens. During the Civil War it happened too often so the South switched flags from the Confederate flag to General Lee's battle flag.
The Devils 😈 Brigade. A great film 🎥 based on true events and i highly recommend it!
As to"friendly fire ,I heard a ww2 vet say when British planes flew o ver the germans kept their heads down whe German planes flew over the allies kept their heads down, and when American planes flew over everybody kept their heads down
wasn't even aware the Japaneese succeeded in capturing the island.
This is unknown information
you never hear about this. anywhere.
Yes I knew about this but only recently in the last two years I know about the landscape living the pacific Northwest for the last 50 years
Meet has already covered the Halifax explosion.
@@susanparr1006 are you replying to me ?
Yes, it was a huge embarrassment to the Joint Canadian and US militaries of the day. But Canada was slightly less embarrassed. The Canadians out numbered and out gunned by the US, out shot and out killed their US counterparts. Even though this mishap should never have happened.
Best part was that most of the most hard charging men in the united states went up north to join the canadians and entered the war early.
The kill count seems to reflect the deadly reputation that Canadian Forces earned during WWII.
Just one bad mistake. Alaska even in peacetime is one dangerous place outdoors. Terrible accident literally in the fog of war. Friends make mistakes.
The Canadians stayed there until January in case the Japanese returned.
Canadian hear, didn't know about it.
Canadian there, knew it
Dig a little deeper....the Americans recognized the Canadians ....but continued to fire. 🍁
I am Somewhat aware of what happened there
You should check out Mark Felton`s Canadian Paratroopers Save Denmark! Operation Eclipse 1945
The United States are of America, not America itself. :D
Ya we learned this in the army. The Canadians kicked the American's ass!
Very good outfit but general mark clark used them as cannon fodder during italy and France
🇨🇦 Decisive Canadian Victory 🇨🇦
Friendly fire isn’t friendly
Check out Mark's "Canadian paratroopers save Denmark from the Soviets" Wismar,Germany Operation Eclipse May/2nd/1945.
Ya so in just 30 years later Denmark and Canada could declare war on each other
@@joeydepalmer4457 Tell us You're American and born after 1980 without telling us!
@@wombatwilly1002 why would I tell you that?
@@wombatwilly1002 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whisky_War
so were 2 for 2
Don't mess with the Canadian army
Theses days
If you do you might get tampons
The fog of war…
Friendly fire does happen
All I know is Canadians can get drunk faster with a stronger beer!
sounds like the wxact same thing could of happened even if the Japanese were still on the island
😢
What a tragedy.
As usual Mark Felton tries to sensationalize events for a video saying the US and Canadian troops were in open combat when they both thought they were fighting Japanese forces. It was simply a rather large case of friendly fire. Mark doesn't do the best at verifying facts and often sensationalizes things in his titles to get extra views for which he has been called out many times. On the plus side he produces a great deal of content about this period in time with the majority being factual.....Just that he could do a bit more real research and less taking other RUclips channels word for things.
First time I hear of it myself and I went to school in Canada during the 90s. Congratulations on getting rid of useless Scotland.
28-4
No one wins in war, sad.
not so. Have you heard of the Canadian/Denmark 50 year war. Booth sides won every fight they got into. Most polite war in human history.
Once again America goes toe to toe with Canadian forces and we kicked there butts.
Their... sorry had too.
I didn't want say it but 27-4 for Canada .
What an ignorant comment. It's a goddamned tragedy not a f-in joke a55hole. How would you feel if they made idiotic comments and joked about the Canadians that were killed in friendly fire incidents over there/their/they're in Afghanistan simpleton?
It isn't a contest. Just a typically sad thing about any military action. If you've ever been in any military service, you'll have your own stories and examples about how you experienced screw-ups. Most times they're harmless and you live to tell the tale, but in this tragic case lives were wasted on both sides due to factors out of their control. Murphy's Law or cluster f***. I'm sure our guys weren't bragging about killing 27 American soldiers.
The Americans had a way larger team on top of it. It was only 5,000 Canadians against 30,000 Americans.
And canadians are sorry.
Talk about 1812 ... better story
Damm that op was such a failure, holy smokes...
The incident was unknown to me till this podcast. Shite, that is an awful and poorly coordinated historical event. A shame.
Sounded like a real, unco-ordinated sh*t show.
it was planned ok, just communications sucked and the fog was so thick you could not see your own men right in front of you.
Blame Canada
In this tragedy the fog of war wasn't just a figure of speech it was litteral
Started by "a jumpy Canadian"
Yeah, then Canadians with only 1/6 of the number of people, yet they took out 7 times more Americans. That's 5,000 Canadians against 30,000 Americans, and they killed 7 times as many Americans. I guess Americans aren't to be as feared, as we should fear the Canadians. That is, if them Canadians ever got angry enough. Bahaha 🤣😂😅 Luckily, Canadians don't get as mad as the United States, and they don't fly off the handle so easily to deal with things.
@@northernsnow6982 Well do not ever go to a hockey game and yell out "CANADIAN BEER SUCKS!", or go to Tim Hortons, and take away someone's double double/hot coco.
@joeydepalmer4457 There are lots of Canadian beers. Some of them suck. Go ahead and say they suck if you don't like them. The problem you have is that many people drink Molson Canadian, and they tend to just call it Canadian. So they probably think you're attacking their personal choice of beer.
As for Tim Hortons, it isn't Canadian anymore. It is very much an Americanised company. It doesn't make fresh baked goods and they have too many other products. While they might be growing around the globe, their popularity in Canada is decreasing. Besides, if you took away anyone's coffee from anywhere, they'd likely be pissed off. Do you think Americans are nicer when someone takes a coffee from them? You won't find a case in Canada where 6 officers shot 47 bullets to hit a guy 11 times, killing him over a stolen cup of coffee. That definitely happened in the good old US of A's.
@@northernsnow6982 Wow talk about taking it out of context. You might want to read the hole thing before putting this down
@@northernsnow6982 Well? Did you read it again and see how stupid this sounds?
Canada won.
Insane didn’t know this
Poor intelligence and poor planning.
And poor weather. And inexperienced troops. Sometimes things just don't go well.
I have found Mark Felton does a very thorough researched videos, checkout the Japanese who were croc food when they were on Ramree island. My uncle a chindit in Burma when he heard this he said there were drinks all around . 74+ 🍁 hunter Yorkshire expat