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Naked Bible Podcast Episode 095 David Burnett Death of the Gods
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- Опубликовано: 14 июн 2016
- This episode invites David Burnett back to the podcast for a discussion of his research on 1 Cor 15:35-50. In an earlier episode on this chapter, we talked about the meaning of Paul’s phrase “the spiritual body.” This time around, David draws our attention to the listing of “bodies” (celestial vs. earthly) in vv. 35-41 and asks: (1) what part of the OT is Paul drawing on for this list and (2) why would Paul bother to bring up this list in a discussion of the resurrection. The answers will blow your mind, as the listing derives from, and connects into, a number of well-known divine council passages. Once you hear David’s explanation of the most important text on the resurrection in the entire New Testament, 1 Corinthians 15, you will never read it the same way again. If you’ve ever wondered how the divine council worldview relates to New Testament theology, this is an episode for you.
Loved this. 6 years late though😅
This is one that you gotta listen to multiple times, so nuanced
I'm on my 10th listen I'm excited listening to the 2nd temple material such as wisdom of Solomon very cool also God bless
I know that I am running behind but I am so glad I have found this place. Thanks
I think is ABSOLUTELY fascinating!!Not just on an intellectual level (which is amazing and wonderful enough) but it's like you have set a fire inside of me. It makes me want to take my time over the Holy Scriptures and look into the context wherever possible - infant, this podcast is an argument for ALWAYS using the cultural context to ANY passage read/studied in the Scriptures! It truly excites me and make me want to slowly comb through the word.
I think this type of bible conjures up an image of a "black hole" - not that you enter in and lose yourself - no on the contrary - but the more you take your time and study over a passage, the more it pulls you in to deeper and deeper Truths - like a refining of your own "theology" and questioning. I realise how little I truly "know" but I am more certain on the person of Yeshua/Jesus as The Messiah!
Thank you for your patience; your desire; your passion and your willingness to say "I don't know and I don't understand! But thank you for teaching me!"
You're welcome BisiLIFE! Thank you for your interest!
I've been fairly random in listening to Heiser's naked bible podcasts ... this one though!! Of course one really needs Heiser's Unseen Realm background to fully appreciate how uplifting this is in the sense of filling one with excitement with the ongoing conquering of the lesser gods!
Things are really getting "Deep" nowadays; since I first read Unseen Realm.
Amen! and God has turned me into a spiritual sponge and I'm soaking it all in. Absolutely love these talks! The depth and complexity of God's word never ceases to amaze me.
This episode is still one of the best produced. "Death to the gods!"
Wow ❤
Anyone have those Plato citations? They said its from The Laws, but it would be useful to know where exactly.
Plato's Laws IV 7:13 & IV 7:38
1:22:05 surprisingly that he claims that God does not say that he will increase Abraham's seed to be as the stars (in terms of number) since that is exactly what the scripture says. If you read Genesis 26:4 it uses the word 'rāḇâ' (from the Masoretic) which means to increase, multiply etc. So the increase is related to numbers, not to what they will eventually become. I do believe we will become as the stars, yet that is now what God has in mind in Genesis 26.
you do well to fact check things other people, even (or maybe especially) what scholars claim.
Good catch.
I had to take history of Christianity in college. My teacher was a minister but he didn't believe in the virgin birth, the resurrection, or the Genesis account. I'm like, exactly why are you a Christian? 🤔
The simple answer is that he is, in fact, _not_ a Christian. The virgin birth and resurrection are basic, essential tenets of the gospel of Christ. If one does not believe and affirm them, one cannot be a Christian.
The Genesis accounts of creation are a different matter, though. Whether one believes Genesis 1 recounts a literal seven, 24-hour days or eons, whether it's literally historical or historio-theological, etc. is really all up for grabs, depending on how one approaches them. The New Testament does not go to bat for one interpretation over the other. That said, we are expected to regard Adam and Eve as real, historical figures. That does not, however, preclude regarding them theologically as allegorical and typological figures as well (even Jesus, whom we necessarily regard as historical, is treated allegorically and typologically in the New Testament itself, especially when he is compared to and contrasted with Adam, Moses, Aaron, Melchizedek, etc.; Sarah and Hagar, whom we believe to be historical, are also treated allegorically at times in the NT). One does not preclude the other.
"Non-literal" does not necessarily mean "not real." The virgin birth and resurrection are treated unquestionably as very literal, very historical, and very real---all three---in the NT. The same cannot be said of the Genesis creation accounts (which are not the only creation accounts in the Bible, by the way 😉). They are real and they are historical, but they are not necessarily _literal_ accounts.
@@HickoryDickory86 Disagree completely. I'm fascinated by the claim that we cannot know what the writer of Genesis meant.
You go on at length to cover what Paul gives us in one verse.
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
What you do not speak of is the how?
Scripture says by faith, and if a person only needs believe, if that is faith and enough, what have these done wrong?
Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’
IN YOUR NAME what else could they be but Christians, but not truly Christians. What is it they lacked because they clearly believed?
I say all those with faith believe but not all that believe have faith. These are not the same thing in scripture.
Again, by faith Peter walked on water. Can you believe in such a way that you can walk on water? If so, why don’t the drowning do so? Can we by believing alter the nature of the universe?
Do you as a Christian truly believe and do so?
If faith is not what is generally assumed what is it?
Why do so many get it wrong?
There are passages that just speak to believing. If you take them alone you can come away with the impression that it is enough, and we get, teaching in the church like this one.
I hold in my hand a bible THE WORD OF GOD, so trust it believe what it is teaching you, come forward before men and confess that belief and you will/WILL be saved….
IS that true is any of it true?
The bible we have today is a translation and definitely not a perfect translation. I would agree that in some form we still have the inerrant word of God in text once delivered to the saints but that is not found in its entirety in any particular bible. More over that text was not given to save the lost but to direct the already adopted child of God. Paul lets us know what its useful for and salvation is not on the list.
Also the scripture says if you believe in your heart?
It does not say your head?
Did God not know where He located the brain/mind or did He get it right and we mostly get it wrong?
All this leads me to this question what is faith when we read of it in scripture?
What was it that brought Abraham and Isaac to that hill? He as the Father Isaac as the Son?
Abraham was listening to God, following, doing as he was being told and I suspect so too was Isaac.
Today hearing God would be considered by many perhaps even most Christians as way out there.
I want to ask why?
Is God powerful? IS it that He is unable to talk to us?
Is God a Father? IS it that He is unwilling to talk to us?
When scripture speaks of every son being chastened how is that happening without communication?
When Yashua says MY sheep know My voice is that only metaphoric language?
When Romans 10:17 explains the how of faith and that is badly translated to English what should it actually say?
The way to know is to read it in Greek as it was written and see that the term Rhema from where we get word is a spoken word.
Abraham heard God, Hearing Him understanding over time He was always right and always to be trusted, he followed Him, trusted Him, and that is faith.