Let me lay it out for you, this is just an educated guess, but id be willing to wager serious money that its very close to the truth. There is a law enforcement agency that stops some poor bastard for some minor traffic infraction, the cops intimidate or violate or bluff him into a search of his vehicle and they dont find drugs after the K-9 unit comes and gives a false hit on the walk around, but they do find a significant amount of cash, so they manufacture some charges, arrest him, tow the vehicle, and confiscate the cash as evidence of a criminal enterprise.Then fast forward to they have not been able to prove the guy is involved in any way in any criminal activity now or ever, abd the judge has ordered tbe law enforcement to give him his money back. Fast forward a little more, the head of that law enforcement agency, the DA, and the judge get together and discuss how they could turn thst into a way to keep the money in the future. So the DA or the judge or both start talking to their congressman or a senator and they draft a bill that gives them broader powers to make it much harder to get your cash back but much easier to take and keep it for them. It goes before tbe house and passes, then the senate and passes, and they all negotiate their cut. And the next thing you know, BOOM, ITS RAINING IN THE CAPITOL. SO DOES THAT GIVE YOU A LITTLE MORE INSIGHT AS TO THE ORIGIN OF THAT PARTICULAR LAW?
Yep. You have money, and they have guns and the power of the state backing them, so the state robs you. Even though the truth is cowering behind a wall of legal flim flam, it really is that simple.
As a cop, civil asset forfeiture is one thing that really pisses me off. Yes, sometimes people are up to no good and items should be seized but if someone hasn't been charged with a crime they should be able to keep their money. It is nothing but theft that the Supreme Court has said is legal. It is ridiculous.
He said you make it possible for the Pirates .... Oh I mean the Police to steal your money and they were so nice to give him 500 of it back smdh that shows they knew what they were doing was wrong. Piece of shits
A similar thing happened to my friend. He served in the Army for 26 years and saved every penny he could when he retired he bought a new house for himself and a house for his parents and paid cash, the realtor had no issue with this. When he went to buy a new car he told the dealer "I'm not financing, I'm paying cash", the dealer said "I need to see ID and the cash", so my friend grabs the money from his car and shows him his military ID, so the dealer says " I need to get manager approval for this". So, my friend is waiting and suddenly a bunch of cops pull up with lights and sirens and the dealer points at my friend, they put him cuffs, take his money and take him to jail, they never read him his rights, they saw his military ID, put him in jail for 3 weeks without letting make a call, he finally tells the guy in the cell next to him who's about to be released to call a lawyer for him. The lawyer shows up furious, demands his release, he tries to get his money back and they don't have it, he demands reimbursement and they refuse, turns out after an investigation the money was given as a department bonus. He sues the PD for $150,000 and the judge decides it isn't enough and gives him $300,000, and the chief got fired along with the arresting officers. Oh, and their excuse for arresting him was "he must be a drug dealer" even though they saw and ran his military ID.
Good deal at the end but going through all of the bullshit and it probably took a long time, the judge should of added that he could punch the cops in the face and the pople at the car dealership
Guys we need to write to our state representatives telling them to pass legislation that ends civil asset forfeiture. It's actually unbelievable this happens in America
Like about 600 times, several yrs, including following up status, yrs later nothing has changed! Except worsen VIOLENT BRUTALITY, TERRORIZING, MANIPULATORS INCREASING THEIR "TAKES". INCLUDING FORCE HUMAN TRAFFICKING!!!
As a small business owner, who has made a few mistakes before and ended up in trouble, but have completely changed my life around and have years to show I’ve changed, this is one of my biggest fears anytime I have more than a “paychecks” amount of money on me is I instantly get judged by the police off of my background. It’s crazy how the “justice department” says they “rehabilitate” you, but will always look at you as the same person no matter the strides you have made later in life.
@@ianbattles7290 The vast majority of people that get CAF’d had less than a few hundred dollars: AKA, the normal money you have in your wallet, however much it is.
@@orppranator5230 Going to an Auction or a Fair compels a person to carry cash? Eventually, a bank-certified check is OK. However, some srllers may require cash. My legal advise: Request from your Bank a statement establishing that a given amount was "removed" from a personal or business account. Or in case the money was saved over a period of time, buy Travellers Checks or/Money Orders. Travelling with large amount of cash is not a good Idea. Normally in most auctions an initial deposit is required -- being the balance due in 24 or 48 hours.
Some people bring cash only because they know nothing about the tyrannical civil forfeiture law. On the other hand big drug kingpins are likely to know about that stupid law and have ways to avoid their cash being seized by cops. The fact that the so-called civil forfeiture is allowed to be used by bad cops to rob money from innocent people with assumption that the money is drug money even when the Dems are in power means the Democratic politicians are just as apathetic regarding this travesty of justice as the Republican politicians. Civil forfeiture has become an excuse for bad cops to commit robbery. It's a violation of the 6th Amendment which assumes people are innocent until proven guilty. This tyrannical law should have been repealed a long time ago after knowing that it has been misused by bad cops.
It's all about racial equality. For decades, only minorities had to fear oppression by the police. But in today's climate, this racism is unacceptable, so now EVERYONE is subject to oppression by the police.
I was in a car wreck 6 months ago an knocked unconscious. The filthy pigs that worked the wreck helped themselves to $1500. In my wallet while I was unconscious.
Hey I'm in automotive & light duty diesel technician in California and I have a driving infraction that happened in 2008 and was taken off of my record 5 years ago but they're still sending me s*** in the mail from the court for it randomly and new years eve I got stopped at a D.U.I. checkpoint and the officer told me I have a misdemeanor warrant regarding the issue. The fine was paid( with receipts to prove it) did the traffic court B.S. and dealt with the extortion similar tactics of DMV and my insurance company comparing notes before calling me for more fee's allegedly due even though a judge already signed off on the "all clear" paperwork including sealing the case. don't put any dumb ideas in my head LOL cuz that's totally something I could do 🔥😅😶
@@tomh9391 yeah, you may be able to make a kill dozer but your in california, they gonna get yer ass for emisions not to mention hemyer had guns in his dozer, your in california the home of the fucked up 2nd amendment
@@wadestanton Voting is an essential process and to maintain integrity the people who are supposed to vote need to be verified regardless of who they are. Where I live we joke the dead get their vote but it does happen
@@circuitsandcigars1278 you have been brainwashed by gov psyops. I have never been required to show an ID to vote in USA. I have been asked to show an ID to vote twice. Both times I asked for affidavit of residency (from the box full behind them). No Problems, lickedy split. Prove someone is a fraudulent voter. Don't assume voters are fraudulent.
"People like that should be awarded for what they have done not punished" I love this guy. No nonsense and knowledgeable and reasonable. Thank you for your videos
Well they are in a way. They take the guns because someone used it for nefarious reasons . Never blame the knife or the hammer just a certain type of gun .
As I understand it... (how this was explained to me decades ago) People have a right to a presumption of innocence. You don’t need to prove your innocence, the prosecutor needs to prove your guilt. Property is not people, and has no such right...
They already have. I love the huge imagination of those who say immediately "a policeman" shoots and kills a criminal in a clear "self defense" situation that the first thing they try to restrict is gun ownership. A clear violation of the second amendment, "A well regulated Militia, (and) being necessary to the security of a free State, (and) the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, (and) "shall not be infringed". In 2014 Washington D.C. was attempting to keeping law abiding citizens from "keeping and bearing arms" (firearms). But the SCOTUS weighed in and their conclusion has been the same every time the question of fire arm ownership has come up for debate or scrutiny. The following page I found quite interesting a read. " www.businessinsider.com/the-comma-in-the-second-amendment-2013-8". My friend Stephen it all is insanity, fire arms do not kill people, every time i hear the left trying to "Infringe" upon our freedoms simple anger doesn't even come close to how I feel. For the left though they think that they are the only ones who should be allowed to have armed guards to protect them, and to keep and bear fire arms as well.
This is happening they charge the gun too. Winchester had to pay for mass shooting MGM the parent company to The Mandalay Bay hotel and casino payed 800 million for the Las Vegas mass shooting. All they did was rent Paddock a room.
@@petero2693 Precisely! In the past you were innocent until proven guilty, but now a days, we the Citizens are automatically guilty of anything the Cops want to pin on us at any time.
Even if they don't completely do away with asset forfeiture, they should at least require that charges be brought against the person, and they only get to keep it after they win in court.
In Poland also if u can prove this money come from legal source (wage/jackpot winning/savings withdrawal). They took my 15k and next day they returned it because i have proof they come out from sell my possession (car).
The moral of the story is, when a LEO starts asking you anything you should probably let them kindly know that you can't discuss anything without a Lawyer present.
I had a very similar situation occur in Phoenix Arizona going through Sky Harbor Airport, I had 50k on me, was going out there to purchase a combination I had found for sale of a dually truck and fifth wheel camper trailer. All but 1k was returned to me at the time and I tried for several years to get it returned only to be told to sue for it. No rap sheet for drugs or money laundering or any reason that could be construed as suspicious for having such a sum. During the interrogation I continued to tell them what I had such a large amount in my possession for, I even had the ad that I had printed off with several notes, sellers phone number and address. They never attempted to contact the seller in order to confirm my account of events. They returned enough so that I could rent a hotel room for the few nights it would be before the next flight back home and the cost of the flight. After returning home I had just a little more than $275.00 remaining of the original 50k. I have never returned to Arizona and would suspect their department purchased some new equipment for whatever purposes with the remaining 49k which I seriously doubt that I will ever see again. What stinks is I spent over 14 years in the military, and had saved this money from my time in and had planned to do some traveling. Sadly that has never happened. Word of caution, don't travel through an Arizona airport with a large amount of cash, you won't have it for very long.
See, this is where knowing your rights comes into play. If an officer approaches me and asks “do you have any drugs or money on you,” and I’m transporting say…$40k to buy a truck, then my response would be “my lawyer has advised me of my right to remain silent. I will not answer any questions. Leave me alone.” And walk away. If you refuse to answer questions, they can’t use anything you say against you. And if you tell them you’re invoking your right to remain silent, then they can’t use your silence against you either. But yeah, this civil asset forfeiture stuff is nonsense. and the Supreme Court justices who ruled that it’s allowed are traitors to the constitution.
And people wander y there r mass shootings. I know y. There r people being totally screwed all the time. They scream out for help, get none. Then lose it and flip
@@jamessteele1444 Upside down is probably a better term. What was once wrong is considered right, and what was right is now considered wrong. Isaiah 5:20 "Woe unto them who call evil good, and good evil; who put darkness for light, and light for darkness; who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!"
The war on drugs hasn't even slowed down an average weekend in my town, I live in a small town and our police run around dressed like special forces. It's funny when I was young and in trouble all the time and I never hated police. Now that I'm older and have got my shit together I loathe the police
My best friend uses cash mostly. He was traveling from Idaho to go back home to Oregon coming from visiting his family. He was pulled over for speeding by a drug enforcement officer. The cop wanted to search his car for no reason other than I’m assuming because he had out of state plates. The cop found no drugs and nothing to say he had them at any point. The only thing he had was 700 in cash, the cop said it was drug money and seized it calling it money laundering. Last time I checked having cash doesn’t make you a criminal. He never got the cash back, I wonder where it went?
@@williamvonschenk2273 Americans are having our rights eroded more and more every year. At some point we are going to get pushed too far and that point isn’t far off
And we want to give all that money back the drug cartels and the drug dealers that's what that laws about Republicans don't think the law applies to them
They tried seizing 25k from me that took 2 years to save. I was on the way to buy a semi new truck and was stopped for "looking suspicious" as I was looking for the address. Long story short, the sergeant came and I found my bank withdrawal slip and an envelope with check stubs for about 6 months worth. It could've played out different without the proof.
I love this guy! Sir your a hero. And yes pirates was right the first time. People like you are a weapon of knowledge that people can access for free online to help them from not getting their rights taken away from our corrupt government. Keep up the good work! 👍
It’s been over 20 years now but I had my car stolen and it turned up in another city and was taken to the police impound. The police impound charged me over $400 for towing and impound fees. I felt more ripped off by the police department than the thief who stole my car! 😡
And our parents or grandparents were told happened in scary Nazi Germany. A 1947 Government film "don't be a sucker" shows a scene where a bunch of Nazi cops beat someone with batons. Back then they called it unconscionable. Today we call it Tuesday!
If a burglar has a gun in your face and twenty friends for backup, you'll let him do whatever he wants so he doean't kill you. I don't know if people will ever stand up to police in large enough numbers to make a real difference.
@@godsamongmen8003 It is our votes and other political support that ultimately permit this. If together we demanded the laws be changed, then the laws would be changed. If we voted out those who allow the law to exist, we would eventually get representatives who change the law. I did NOT say "we let the police do this;" I said we let OUR GOVERNMENT do this.
@@byronwatkins2565 When the "government" does something, you're talking about police. If every cop had a heart attack and died right now, nobody in government would have any power.
I think that if citizens were able to sue for damages in ADDITION to the money seized, this would change. "Confiscate" my $40k and I will sue you for $40k +$100k in damages....and they will cut this shit out.
@@beadyeye2312 We were so successful taking away alcohol and drugs with Prohibition & the War on Drugs. Obviously, we want a War on Guns because history says it will work. And, we can trust the police; that was the point of the video you watched. After citizens are disarmed, the police definately won't take advantage and won't seize even more money.
@@beadyeye2312 Americans have the duty to protect freedom for future generations at times like these. Don't bury them, join with your neighbors and stand up to any mercenaries that come for you & your constitutional rights. In America if you threaten an innocent citizens freedom you automatically VOID YOUR RIGHT TO LIVE, period...
That WRIF 101 logo in the background caught my eye. It totally brought me back to the 80's when we could get Detroit radio stations here in Sarnia, Ont.
When I was 18 (back in 1986), my folks sold their house and much of the money paid was in cash ($97,000). I remember driving my mom to the bank and Mom had a pistol (legally) in case of trouble between our new house and the buyer... just a ten minute drive, but the envelope was filled with $100 bills, lots of them. I also remember that my neighbor had been a detective for the city police and he had mentioned to me years before about this thing where police who are suspicious of large amounts of cash could take it... I drove like I was taking my DMV test not to get pulled over. So Mom and I were not just scared about thieves, but also the police! Civil asset forfeiture MUST become illegal across this nation. Law-abiding citizens should not have to fear the police the same they would fear the mafia.
I travel with cash that was legally earned. I visit my kids and grandkids and we have a fun time. I am 80 yrs old. I have lived. If I am pulled over to be robbed, I will take someone out. Nuff said!
@@slimpickins9124 I was protecting my property rather than lie or be put in jail God. And God said " @SLIMPICKEINS is that broke down, dirty, smelly, pitiful guy sitting on a sharp rock just outside the gates, yup, the one with the tin cup"
.... 'requiring the government to pay attorney costs' when anyone wins in court. After all, the government wasted your and my money on a fruitless prosecution.
I would love to be able to believe what we were taught in school. The government works for the people and is here to protect our country and the people in it. Unfortunately , I grew up and learned there are so many lies and misconceptions and untruths in our Society and government.
Thank you so much for this information. I am so sorry for this gentleman I hope he gets his money back the police should be ashamed of them selves. You can’t trust the police you can’t trust the courts who can you trust nowadays.
I told my congressman I didn't want these laws on the books. He said it was in the courts and there was nothing they could do about it. I did this about 3 years ago when I found out what was going on. This is highway robbery.
Not to long ago police chased a criminal into a private home. The husband was at work and his wife barely got out of there. The cops surrounded the building and a gunfight ensued until the structure was badly shot up. They launched several tear gas canisters into the home and set fire to it. The fire company came and the police did not let them put the fire out until the guy was in handcuffs. He had been disarmed and was detained. The house was a total loss at over 300 grand including contents. The home owners asked the police and the county to replace or repair the damage as the insurance company refused to do so. They also refused. He sued everybody and still had not gotten his money back after almost a year. Get this; the bank STILL WANTED REGULAR MORTGAGE PAYMENTS after 6 months of this crap. We are supposed to be free of this by our government...and they wondered why people stormed the Capital Building and rioted? I do not approve of the violence and damage but I understand the anger, frustration, distrust, apathy and lack of trust that people have with our governing bodies.
@@gregwallace9314 that is allowed because Barrack O'Biden and Joe Bama passed a new clause into constitutional law below the radar, that states any homestead farm real estate livestock planted produce, at the discretion of a government agent, can be used or distributed as the agent sees fit, because the new law declares U S Citizens to be the living property stock of the federal government, also to use as it sees fit
@@gregwallace9314 unfortunately the people who stormed the capitol building blindly support the politicians who enact those policies and are complicit in preserving them. But don't assume I'm bias here, democratic lawmakers have also failed miserably on multiple fronts. But you cant logically advocate for small government while simultaneously supporting and glorifying militarized police.
It's a pratical joke to me when someone calls USA "the land of freedom", hahahahah the average American Citizen is far away from knowing what freedom really is.
Then they would STILL steal his money, toss him in a cell, convince a judge that he is a flight risk (he literally flew in on a plane, your honor!), and wait a year to let him stand trial. Remember: If they're willing to steal 20 grand at gunpoint, they are willing to ruin your life because you made the process a little harder.
@Jess Yess I'm not stating what I would or would not do. I'm pointing out the risks of getting arrested. Remember that this is a state that supported Joe Arpaio. Remember that police in the US are effectively above the law, that they can beat you senseless because they felt like it and you may not have any real recourse.
If you litigate a case like this and you win, the DEA and TSA should be required by federal law to pay all of your court and lawyer costs plus punitive damages for wrongly seizing your assets.
@@josephs3973 Their liability is capped because of a law creating that cap, if there were a law to stop this crime against innocent citizens, that cap would have to be removed by that same law in order to put some teeth in it and make it really stop.
Nice idea yet it seems congress has created the legal instruments to allow civil forfeiture to continue. Even the supreme court ruling it's not unconstitutional just gives law enforcement carte blanche to continue. They all work form the same side The government *v* we the people
DEA and TSA should be cleaned out. Stealing peoples money is evil and those that wanted to stop law abiding citizens suing to get their OWN MONEY BACK should be JAILED LOOOOOOOOONg time.
@@josephs3973 If I just had $40,000 taken off me by force all future plans I had just went on hold anyway. Arrest me, I want to speak to a judge about this.
@@sfm45 The only valid way to do this is not sign anything. If you sign it, and later claim it was 'under duress' it doesn't matter without witnesses, and duress has some pretty clear specifics needed to qualify, like threat of losing your life. But, when armed people with the power of the state behind them are holding you hostage until you sign, to me that is duress. So, the only clear path forward, as risky as it is, is to be arrested where you can at least get it into the public eye and in front of a judge.
It's not like cops will pay out of their pockets (if you win), so they generally don't care about being sued :( Which is another problem, or part of a problem.
I live in kern county, my brother lived in a residence without permission as the property owner was deceased. He lives there for over 8 yrs meaning adverse possession applied. The county served him with an eviction notice to get him out, then told him if he paid the back taxes he could stay. He sold all his possessions, barrowed money, etc. Paid the 12k back taxes, only to go to court for the eviction and be told by the courts that since the court clerk errored on putting the wrong case number on the wrong form his case is thrown out and he has 5 days to leave or go to jail.the courts also said the 12k would not be returned since it was owed by the property owner and the state has the right to collect the taxes owed even though he didn't own the back taxes.
I thought my whole life, including childhood, that nobody understood how wrong rules are applied and how inequity happen when people use them for their own benefit and manipulate the odds in their favor. I was especially astonished by all the people that fervently believe they are protected, while it is obviously the system that is against us, how people could describe 'criminals' as threats to society, while society eat it's own people alive and turn them into those criminals for benefit. We are being blackmailed to work in the interest of others who are protected against other ways of doing things, it is not only disgusting but abhorant, and I still don't get how people can willingly stay ignorant unless when it touches somebody they care about. Thank you Lehto for making me realize some people know what's going on, yet our hands are already tied because people made it degenerate that far, we just have to be educated about it and how to defend ourselvs from that system who has an hold on us, our rights, and liberty, because they are conditional.
Yes Congress could easily legislate CF out of existence. Yet cases like the above and there are many of them are still happening. It does appear to be a violation of ones civil liberties - people going about their lawful business. Considering, as Steve said, the courts have deemed CF *not* to be unconstitutional, this I would suggest, congress is happy for this to continue... Seize the profits from criminal activity by all means. Not steal from people going about their law abiding business.
does it really? I am not sure sure it matters in modern times. Do you really think over 80 million people voted for Biden? I am seriously consider that.
Jeff Sessions, Trump’s Attorney General made Civil Asset Forfeiture easier after the Obama Administration put policies in place to make it harder. Yes, voting matters. Yes, Biden got millions more votes than Trump.
My buddy who lives in Texas said the Highway patrol was PISSED because he was travelling with a $50k certificate check. He told the cop to his face "I got a check because I know how Gov't is so when I get to my destination I'll get $50k cash from the bank" They tried to take the check, it was made out to him he said if you take it you cant cash it.
When I was back in high school in the late 1970s, one of our assignments in US history class was to write a hypothetical letter to a colleague in the Soviet Union explaining how the US Constitution protected us from being deprived of life, liberty, or property by the government without due process. It’s extremely disappointing and frustrating to now realize that what I wrote was a lie. It’s even more frustrating that the US Supreme Court has sanctioned this lie.
@Warren Higgins Civil forfeiture abuse didn’t start with the current administration. This issue also transcends typical right - left politics. Fortunately, ‘liberal’ civil liberties advocates and ‘conservative’ smaller government libertarians can, should, and will unite in opposition to these flagrant abuses of the US Constitution to bring this nonsense to an end.
The United States is broke and needs people like your good self to stand as surety for the national debt all while robbing you in every way possible. And people thought it was just taxes. Ha!
Cop takes your money go to police department then file theft charges against the police officer, say he did not charge or arrest me then stole my money.
Unfortunately, Phoenix PD wouldn't bother to investigate if Kamala Harris snatched a woman's purse in front of them on live television. This is just some professional thieves making good for their worthless bosses.
if you individually sued the police officer that took it from you, they'd have it dismissed on qualified immunity. Even in a state without qualified immunity the court would likely say... you are suing the wrong entity; Since this person took the money as part of their duties as an employee / police officer, you have to sue their employer / the police department. That suit would then get dismissed as civil asset forfeiture is legal and no one has done anything to make this illegal - mostly because of the massive amounts of revenue it brings.
Don't worry. 4th Amendment? No big thing. After all having them not screw with the 2nd is worth the - FREEDOM! What fucking freedom when bullshit like this is LEGAL? It's like having to "Show zee papers!" when your plates don't match the state you're driving in and, god help you, you're going to lose no matter what.
This happened in a town in north east Texas. A woman and her husband were travelling to Texarkana,Tx to buy a car. They were pulled over for a basic traffic violation. The officer searching them and the vehicle found a large amount of cash. I think around $3,000.00 . She was threatened to have her taken by CHILDREN PROTECTIVE SERVICES unless she relinquished trying to get there cash back. So a state representative has taken the law to the capital to change the law.
The cops 'seized' 3000 dollars from my friend who was just parked on the street just outside his neighbor's house. They raided the house for drug bust and asked if he knew his neighbors. Eventually, the cops found out he had 3000 dollars on him (he owned a hair salon and was taking it to the bank). It's been 13 years and he still hasn't gotten it back. No charges against him were made.
Best he start stealing from government workers. Break into judges & police houses until recompensed with 13yrs interest & inflation etc etc. Politicians houses are also free for all. They pass the laws.
The overwhelming majority of people convicted of a crime, do _not_ turn repeat offenders. So this idea so many have, that "once a criminal, always a criminal", is severely misplaced. This is heavily backed by the statistics of all our branches of law enforcement, correctional system and judiciary.
When I first started hearing about these “forfeiture” cases years ago, I immediately made a point to never carry more than $500 in cash on me. If I need to pay someone thousands of dollars, I do a cashier’s check, direct bank transfer, or a payment app.
Until they seize some cash from a Senator's son or daughter. I imagine once they realize their corruption went too far cash is given back with apologizes. And fast. Then back to business...
The only way to make it stop is to kill every member of the police department that steals the money AND the entire local city government. 100% guaranteed this shit will stop immediately
My father was a federal agent then police officer; he was tired of all the bs government could get away with, this was the late 1960's. Later he saw other police officers shaking down black teens and placing guns and pot on them to take them in. He spoke out, but they just ignored him. He worked in a very upscale wealthy city. When Black Stars and Slebs, where were moving in the area, the cops were still giving them grief. One multimillionaire foot ball star, was arrested for trying to "break into" his own house. He kicked in the screen, lost his keys... my dad told everyone this is... So and so... the other cops were like who? Whatever... My dad more or less told the court, and the football star was cleared... but all of this time later, this is why until five years ago, we would always have season tickets to any home NFL game in our state; since 1981. LOL!!!! That guy made certain!!!
Steve, in the absence of a warrant, probable cause is needed for lawful search and seizure. Simply carrying a large amount of cash isn’t illegal, so what legal justification is being used to meet the threshold for probable cause when there was no crime witnessed or reported?
@@spikespa5208 even with undercover or plainclothes cops who come off as street thugs andor impersonators you can't flee or fight back. You have to assume they're cops from the start. Of course that means impersonators will be having a field day once they figure that out.
They also seize your money away from where you live to make it inconvenient to sue them. If you're from NC and they seize it in AZ so you have to travel across the country for any suit.
In Montana, the legislature got tired of hearing about asset forfeiture where no crime was charged, so they created the crime of "Being in possession of property subject to forfeiture".
@@romonshakra9381 I never thought of communism as being about money. I always considered it about power and control. Thank you for giving me something to think about!
@@dannymorgan6053 Money is a form of power and control when it's cycles of creation and destruction are rigged to a mathemagical system of debt fueled lunacy that's been forbidden in every religion except one.
@@foxbox2879 Yes, if you have enough, you can be the controller in many scenarios. My initial point was that for most people, forfeiture is a practice that is legally stealing as most times it costs more in resources to get honest assets released than it's worth to many.
lesson learned. admit nothing, don't disclose anything, don't trust the police or the TSA. there are more criminals in law enforcement than there are in prisons.
I just drove over state lines with the money to buy a car. You had me paranoid the fuzz was gonna rob me. I got away with the crime of travelling with money. . . . Thug life
The correct response is "arrest me then." And we'll see how well your "case" holds up in court. The only way this type of crap stops, is to call their bluff and rub their faces in it afterward.
My father in law is building his dream Ford chop top. I went with him to pickup the rolling chassis. I asked him how he was paying? He told me cash. I began to explain civil forfeiture and how the cops can just take his money. He said he was never arrested for anything and that they would never take his money. I told him the police believe anyone who possessed $18k in cash is suspect and that they can and will take it with no proof of a crime. I’m pretty sure he still thinks I’m full of it.
I know of a guy who got stopped by an American agent in Shannon Ireland -he was settling his Grandfathers' small estate -he was wearing an 18k Gold and stainless Rolex and a pentagram -- he was going through a Goth/Pagan stage..Since then he was "on the list" stopped twice in 3 trips. Gave up going there.
Just saw a news story about two New Mexico business men traveling through Oklahoma on I40 when they were pulled over by a cop. They had $140K in cash on them that they were going to use to buy about 10 acres of farmland. Short story the cops let them go but kept the cash. They claim they had a right under asset forfeiture laws to keep the money if they believe it was going to used for illegal purposes. Even getting the guy they were going to buy the land from to verify they were telling the truth about the money didn't help. They lost their money to the cops even though the cops could not prove they were doing anything illegal..law says all they have to do is 'believe'' it might be used illegally. Congress needs to do something to tighten up that law so this can't happen to innocent people.
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How civil forfeiture was ever declared constitutional is beyond me.
Let me lay it out for you, this is just an educated guess, but id be willing to wager serious money that its very close to the truth. There is a law enforcement agency that stops some poor bastard for some minor traffic infraction, the cops intimidate or violate or bluff him into a search of his vehicle and they dont find drugs after the K-9 unit comes and gives a false hit on the walk around, but they do find a significant amount of cash, so they manufacture some charges, arrest him, tow the vehicle, and confiscate the cash as evidence of a criminal enterprise.Then fast forward to they have not been able to prove the guy is involved in any way in any criminal activity now or ever, abd the judge has ordered tbe law enforcement to give him his money back. Fast forward a little more, the head of that law enforcement agency, the DA, and the judge get together and discuss how they could turn thst into a way to keep the money in the future. So the DA or the judge or both start talking to their congressman or a senator and they draft a bill that gives them broader powers to make it much harder to get your cash back but much easier to take and keep it for them. It goes before tbe house and passes, then the senate and passes, and they all negotiate their cut. And the next thing you know, BOOM, ITS RAINING IN THE CAPITOL. SO DOES THAT GIVE YOU A LITTLE MORE INSIGHT AS TO THE ORIGIN OF THAT PARTICULAR LAW?
this is case of police using the law to steal from lawful people who need to use cash.
We should stop using the word "seize" when "steal" is obviously more accurate.
Once I was robbed by a guy in a parking lot .
no wait , he didnt " rob " me ..
He just " seized " my money .
lol
@@jayhockley8841 That money was obviously guilty.
Actually, the proper phrase is "confiscated without evidence."
@@steveroe6771 aka "theft"...
Yep. You have money, and they have guns and the power of the state backing them, so the state robs you. Even though the truth is cowering behind a wall of legal flim flam, it really is that simple.
This was a straight up shakedown. Everyone involved in this should be imprisoned for life. Zero tolerance for corrupt public servants.
As a cop, civil asset forfeiture is one thing that really pisses me off. Yes, sometimes people are up to no good and items should be seized but if someone hasn't been charged with a crime they should be able to keep their money. It is nothing but theft that the Supreme Court has said is legal. It is ridiculous.
Exactly
It may piss you off, but as a cop, you would take that person‘s money and claim you’re just doing your job!🤢
Dont lie, you like it.
"No laws were broken until the police arrived" - Steve Lehto
He said you make it possible for the Pirates .... Oh I mean the Police to steal your money and they were so nice to give him 500 of it back smdh that shows they knew what they were doing was wrong. Piece of shits
Amen
@@brandoncuts82 well bless their hearts
And I wonder why so many cops get killed
Gaaaww!!
A similar thing happened to my friend. He served in the Army for 26 years and saved every penny he could when he retired he bought a new house for himself and a house for his parents and paid cash, the realtor had no issue with this. When he went to buy a new car he told the dealer "I'm not financing, I'm paying cash", the dealer said "I need to see ID and the cash", so my friend grabs the money from his car and shows him his military ID, so the dealer says " I need to get manager approval for this". So, my friend is waiting and suddenly a bunch of cops pull up with lights and sirens and the dealer points at my friend, they put him cuffs, take his money and take him to jail, they never read him his rights, they saw his military ID, put him in jail for 3 weeks without letting make a call, he finally tells the guy in the cell next to him who's about to be released to call a lawyer for him. The lawyer shows up furious, demands his release, he tries to get his money back and they don't have it, he demands reimbursement and they refuse, turns out after an investigation the money was given as a department bonus. He sues the PD for $150,000 and the judge decides it isn't enough and gives him $300,000, and the chief got fired along with the arresting officers. Oh, and their excuse for arresting him was "he must be a drug dealer" even though they saw and ran his military ID.
Good deal at the end but going through all of the bullshit and it probably took a long time, the judge should of added that he could punch the cops in the face and the pople at the car dealership
I would find someone with a monster truck to drive over all the cars at that car dealer.
@@kennykardashian4532 no what should’ve happened is every day those assholes cost him in jail they should have to do two themselves
Oh Scot... I am so glad that story had a happy ending! I kept reading and dreading...
What happened to the car dealership manager?
Guys we need to write to our state representatives telling them to pass legislation that ends civil asset forfeiture. It's actually unbelievable this happens in America
Like about 600 times, several yrs, including following up status, yrs later nothing has changed! Except worsen VIOLENT BRUTALITY, TERRORIZING, MANIPULATORS INCREASING THEIR "TAKES". INCLUDING FORCE HUMAN TRAFFICKING!!!
As a small business owner, who has made a few mistakes before and ended up in trouble, but have completely changed my life around and have years to show I’ve changed, this is one of my biggest fears anytime I have more than a “paychecks” amount of money on me is I instantly get judged by the police off of my background. It’s crazy how the “justice department” says they “rehabilitate” you, but will always look at you as the same person no matter the strides you have made later in life.
I want to cops to explain EXACTLY what dollar amount makes cash go from normal to "suspicious".
@@ianbattles7290 I guess it depends on how much the cop wants to steal.
@@ianbattles7290 The vast majority of people that get CAF’d had less than a few hundred dollars: AKA, the normal money you have in your wallet, however much it is.
@@orppranator5230 Going to an Auction or a Fair compels a person to carry cash?
Eventually, a bank-certified check is OK.
However, some srllers may require cash.
My legal advise:
Request from your Bank a statement establishing that a given amount was "removed" from a personal or business account.
Or in case the money was saved over a period of time, buy Travellers Checks or/Money Orders.
Travelling with large amount of cash is not a good Idea.
Normally in most auctions an initial deposit is required -- being the balance due in 24 or 48 hours.
You call it "Asset Forfeiture" I call it "Privateers with Letters of Marque"
ter•ror•ism tĕr′ə-rĭz″əm►
n.
The use of violence or the threat of violence, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political goals.
What Steve calls a cop, I call a terrorist.
Road Pirates. ;-)
You've hit the nail on the head.
I call it "armed gangsters wearing their colors".
Cops: earning the hate one interaction at a time.
They are the only criminals that I have to defend against.
@@FFE-js2zp yuh huh, you are delusional if you believe that
@@jordancobb509 I don't think you understand what he wrote.
Some people bring cash only because they know nothing about the tyrannical civil forfeiture law. On the other hand big drug kingpins are likely to know about that stupid law and
have ways to avoid their cash being seized by cops. The fact that the so-called civil forfeiture is allowed to be used by bad cops to rob money from innocent people with assumption that the money is drug money even when the Dems are in power means the Democratic politicians are just as apathetic regarding this travesty of justice as the Republican politicians.
Civil forfeiture has become an excuse for bad cops to commit robbery. It's a violation of the 6th Amendment which assumes people are innocent until proven guilty. This tyrannical law should have been repealed a long time ago after knowing that it has been misused by bad cops.
It's all about racial equality. For decades, only minorities had to fear oppression by the police. But in today's climate, this racism is unacceptable, so now EVERYONE is subject to oppression by the police.
Of the many horrible Supreme Court decisions, the one that allowed this to continue is near the top.
I was in a car wreck 6 months ago an knocked unconscious. The filthy pigs that worked the wreck helped themselves to $1500. In my wallet while I was unconscious.
Yeah. I've been highway robbed too.
So sad
Get a rope!😂
This type of thing is what causes "kill-dozers" to happen.
That was awesome and I wish more often
That dude is my spirit animal
Hey I'm in automotive & light duty diesel technician in California and I have a driving infraction that happened in 2008 and was taken off of my record 5 years ago but they're still sending me s*** in the mail from the court for it randomly and new years eve I got stopped at a D.U.I. checkpoint and the officer told me I have a misdemeanor warrant regarding the issue. The fine was paid( with receipts to prove it) did the traffic court B.S. and dealt with the extortion similar tactics of DMV and my insurance company comparing notes before calling me for more fee's allegedly due even though a judge already signed off on the "all clear" paperwork including sealing the case. don't put any dumb ideas in my head LOL cuz that's totally something I could do 🔥😅😶
@@tomh9391 If I could put an idea in your head it would be learning what sentences are lol.
@@tomh9391 yeah, you may be able to make a kill dozer
but your in california, they gonna get yer ass for emisions
not to mention hemyer had guns in his dozer, your in california the home of the fucked up 2nd amendment
I used to think we lived in a country that I was innocent until proven guilty but Civil Asset Forfeiture disproves that
Guilty is a criminal law concept. CIVIL asset forfeiture isn't criminal and that's the problem. You don't have any criminal rights.
The more you pay attention to how the legal system in USA works, the more you realize how broken it is.
So does requiring voter ID. Prove the person is guilty, Don't assume voters are doing so fraudulently.
@@wadestanton Voting is an essential process and to maintain integrity the people who are supposed to vote need to be verified regardless of who they are. Where I live we joke the dead get their vote but it does happen
@@circuitsandcigars1278 you have been brainwashed by gov psyops. I have never been required to show an ID to vote in USA. I have been asked to show an ID to vote twice. Both times I asked for affidavit of residency (from the box full behind them). No Problems, lickedy split. Prove someone is a fraudulent voter. Don't assume voters are fraudulent.
I really hope the courts start slapping down punitive damages for this. The police should at least have to cover the attorney's fees in these cases.
"People like that should be awarded for what they have done not punished" I love this guy. No nonsense and knowledgeable and reasonable. Thank you for your videos
"The money is guilty not you." Are we going to start charging the gun for murder instead of the person who wielded the gun? This is beyond crazy.
Well they are in a way. They take the guns because someone used it for nefarious reasons . Never blame the knife or the hammer just a certain type of gun .
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As I understand it... (how this was explained to me decades ago)
People have a right to a presumption of innocence. You don’t need to prove your innocence, the prosecutor needs to prove your guilt.
Property is not people, and has no such right...
They already have. I love the huge imagination of those who say immediately "a policeman" shoots and kills a criminal in a clear "self defense" situation that the first thing they try to restrict is gun ownership. A clear violation of the second amendment, "A well regulated Militia, (and) being necessary to the security of a free State, (and) the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, (and) "shall not be infringed". In 2014 Washington D.C. was attempting to keeping law abiding citizens from "keeping and bearing arms" (firearms). But the SCOTUS weighed in and their conclusion has been the same every time the question of fire arm ownership has come up for debate or scrutiny. The following page I found quite interesting a read. " www.businessinsider.com/the-comma-in-the-second-amendment-2013-8". My friend Stephen it all is insanity, fire arms do not kill people, every time i hear the left trying to "Infringe" upon our freedoms simple anger doesn't even come close to how I feel. For the left though they think that they are the only ones who should be allowed to have armed guards to protect them, and to keep and bear fire arms as well.
This is happening they charge the gun too. Winchester had to pay for mass shooting MGM the parent company to The Mandalay Bay hotel and casino payed 800 million for the Las Vegas mass shooting. All they did was rent Paddock a room.
It’s okay to call them pirates Steve, it’s what they are.
Too nice..3rd world nazi thugs.... but here in the supposed free country.. where you are innocent until proven guilty..its a lie.. wake up
A.C.A.B.
@@petero2693 Precisely! In the past you were innocent until proven guilty, but now a days, we the Citizens are automatically guilty of anything the Cops want to pin on us at any time.
Please don't insult pirates like that!
Highwayman is the proper term.
Even if they don't completely do away with asset forfeiture, they should at least require that charges be brought against the person, and they only get to keep it after they win in court.
i think people assume that's the way it works
in the UK this is known as proceeds of crime act but you can get it back by providing wage slips and bank statements
In Poland also if u can prove this money come from legal source (wage/jackpot winning/savings withdrawal). They took my 15k and next day they returned it because i have proof they come out from sell my possession (car).
The moral of the story is, when a LEO starts asking you anything you should probably let them kindly know that you can't discuss anything without a Lawyer present.
"None of your damned business!" Is my response.
Ask them if they are going to read you your Miranda Rights. Any questioning is an interrogation.
How about forcefully refuse to submit
I wonder what would happen if you just said "I'm calling my lawyer, he should be here in about 30 minutes.
I always say, “do not count on the courts to protect our Constitutional Rights.”
Officers of the court are there to protect the court. Your rights are the last thing they will protect, if at all.
Look up Gene Kim n Chuck missler on RUclips
I absolutely agree. You are guilty until proven innocent b*******.
Wake up! What Constitutional Rights? "The constitution is just a piece of paper" even US president (Bush) made the observation publicly.
@@lesterryanmd You have no rights....you only have temporary privileges....
George Carlin
I had a very similar situation occur in Phoenix Arizona going through Sky Harbor Airport, I had 50k on me, was going out there to purchase a combination I had found for sale of a dually truck and fifth wheel camper trailer. All but 1k was returned to me at the time and I tried for several years to get it returned only to be told to sue for it. No rap sheet for drugs or money laundering or any reason that could be construed as suspicious for having such a sum. During the interrogation I continued to tell them what I had such a large amount in my possession for, I even had the ad that I had printed off with several notes, sellers phone number and address. They never attempted to contact the seller in order to confirm my account of events.
They returned enough so that I could rent a hotel room for the few nights it would be before the next flight back home and the cost of the flight. After returning home I had just a little more than $275.00 remaining of the original 50k.
I have never returned to Arizona and would suspect their department purchased some new equipment for whatever purposes with the remaining 49k which I seriously doubt that I will ever see again.
What stinks is I spent over 14 years in the military, and had saved this money from my time in and had planned to do some traveling. Sadly that has never happened.
Word of caution, don't travel through an Arizona airport with a large amount of cash, you won't have it for very long.
See, this is where knowing your rights comes into play. If an officer approaches me and asks “do you have any drugs or money on you,” and I’m transporting say…$40k to buy a truck, then my response would be “my lawyer has advised me of my right to remain silent. I will not answer any questions. Leave me alone.” And walk away. If you refuse to answer questions, they can’t use anything you say against you. And if you tell them you’re invoking your right to remain silent, then they can’t use your silence against you either.
But yeah, this civil asset forfeiture stuff is nonsense. and the Supreme Court justices who ruled that it’s allowed are traitors to the constitution.
Every single person involved in taking somebody's money this way needs to have all of their money taken this way.
And ALL of their property
And people wander y there r mass shootings. I know y. There r people being totally screwed all the time. They scream out for help, get none. Then lose it and flip
IKR. The world of full of liars and thieves at this point, yet none of them want to be lied to or stolen from.
@@SheepAmongG.O.A.T everything is backwards in this country now
@@jamessteele1444
Upside down is probably a better term. What was once wrong is considered right, and what was right is now considered wrong. Isaiah 5:20 "Woe unto them who call evil good, and good evil; who put darkness for light, and light for darkness; who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!"
This is what the end goal of the "war on drugs" was. It was never about keeping our communities safe.
The war on drugs hasn't even slowed down an average weekend in my town, I live in a small town and our police run around dressed like special forces. It's funny when I was young and in trouble all the time and I never hated police. Now that I'm older and have got my shit together I loathe the police
My best friend uses cash mostly. He was traveling from Idaho to go back home to Oregon coming from visiting his family. He was pulled over for speeding by a drug enforcement officer. The cop wanted to search his car for no reason other than I’m assuming because he had out of state plates. The cop found no drugs and nothing to say he had them at any point. The only thing he had was 700 in cash, the cop said it was drug money and seized it calling it money laundering. Last time I checked having cash doesn’t make you a criminal. He never got the cash back, I wonder where it went?
I agree!
End Civil Asset Forfeiture immediately!
Until then, open a banking account with branches at BOTH ends!
Yes, I agree 100%. End civil forfeiture. Clearly unconstitutional.
Denial of due process.
So what? There is nothing you can do about it, NOTHING!
@@lesterryanmd Maybe your defeatist thinking is why you are defeated?
@@williamvonschenk2273 Americans are having our rights eroded more and more every year. At some point we are going to get pushed too far and that point isn’t far off
And we want to give all that money back the drug cartels and the drug dealers that's what that laws about Republicans don't think the law applies to them
Just another perfectly good reason to never ever answer questions from a police officer!
They warn us right in the Miranda rights. ANYTHING you say CAN and WILL be used AGAINST you. Nothing you say will be used for you.
Exactly. How do these bastards find out you're carrying large sums in the first place? People tell them.
Yeah, I said nothing and it cost me $20k in attorney fees
@@roberthamilton9245 huh? Yeah right. No attorney would charge you 20k for a minor crime. Nice try.
What they don’t tell you is the guy is a drug dealer and the money got seized. Drug dealers buy cars just like everyone else.
They tried seizing 25k from me that took 2 years to save. I was on the way to buy a semi new truck and was stopped for "looking suspicious" as I was looking for the address. Long story short, the sergeant came and I found my bank withdrawal slip and an envelope with check stubs for about 6 months worth. It could've played out different without the proof.
Did you think of using a cashier's check for this transaction instead of cash? Just curious.
I love this guy! Sir your a hero. And yes pirates was right the first time. People like you are a weapon of knowledge that people can access for free online to help them from not getting their rights taken away from our corrupt government. Keep up the good work! 👍
It’s been over 20 years now but I had my car stolen and it turned up in another city and was taken to the police impound. The police impound charged me over $400 for towing and impound fees. I felt more ripped off by the police department than the thief who stole my car! 😡
My stepson was killed in our car and we had to pay to get the car back from the pound, smh.
Yup you have to pay for someone else stealing your stuff. Makes sense. 🤦♀️
@@Alphahydro okay what does one have to do with the other? shit costs money...
Yea the cops are as corrupt as the criminals.
@@mattlane2282 It costs them absolutely nothing to store it there. The only charge they incur is the tow
Has anyone noticed that many of the things that have become commonplace in the U.S. now, are things that we were once told happened in the scary USSR?
And our parents or grandparents were told happened in scary Nazi Germany.
A 1947 Government film "don't be a sucker" shows a scene where a bunch of Nazi cops beat someone with batons. Back then they called it unconscionable. Today we call it Tuesday!
It's being done on purpose. Communism is partly here already and going to get worse.
Watch Firefox, with Clint Eastwood, and tell us it's not like that in the USSA now.
The Babylon Bob Marley talked about
Most of the TSA were working at Home Depot or some other non-police like career before they were elevated to this position of power. Sad.
I love that the government is allowed to run a racket
It is crazy that we LET our government do this to us.
Deduct it back as taxes paid!
If a burglar has a gun in your face and twenty friends for backup, you'll let him do whatever he wants so he doean't kill you. I don't know if people will ever stand up to police in large enough numbers to make a real difference.
@@sfm45 If I had a year where I paid $40k in taxes, I could better afford the loss...
@@godsamongmen8003 It is our votes and other political support that ultimately permit this. If together we demanded the laws be changed, then the laws would be changed. If we voted out those who allow the law to exist, we would eventually get representatives who change the law.
I did NOT say "we let the police do this;" I said we let OUR GOVERNMENT do this.
@@byronwatkins2565 When the "government" does something, you're talking about police. If every cop had a heart attack and died right now, nobody in government would have any power.
How can the police expect citizens to respect them when they are allowed to do this whenever they want?
Do they carry guns so we respect them?
I think that if citizens were able to sue for damages in ADDITION to the money seized, this would change. "Confiscate" my $40k and I will sue you for $40k +$100k in damages....and they will cut this shit out.
I really appreciate you sir that was one of the greatest videos I saw this year
With their logic, if I shoot someone with a gun, they should seize my gun and I walk free since it's the gun that's guilty.
@@beadyeye2312 We were so successful taking away alcohol and drugs with Prohibition & the War on Drugs. Obviously, we want a War on Guns because history says it will work. And, we can trust the police; that was the point of the video you watched. After citizens are disarmed, the police definately won't take advantage and won't seize even more money.
@@beadyeye2312 Americans have the duty to protect freedom for future generations at times like these. Don't bury them, join with your neighbors and stand up to any mercenaries that come for you & your constitutional rights.
In America if you threaten an innocent citizens freedom you automatically VOID YOUR RIGHT TO LIVE, period...
@Just Me That is exactly what they're trying to do, seize our guns because the criminals are shooting people.
This man should include INTERSTATE STALKING BY PUBLIC SERVANTS in his lawsuit.
Also should include paying Attorney fee if you win.
That WRIF 101 logo in the background caught my eye. It totally brought me back to the 80's when we could get Detroit radio stations here in Sarnia, Ont.
Same here, I had all of the same bumper stickers hanging in my bedroom as a kid.
When I was 18 (back in 1986), my folks sold their house and much of the money paid was in cash ($97,000). I remember driving my mom to the bank and Mom had a pistol (legally) in case of trouble between our new house and the buyer... just a ten minute drive, but the envelope was filled with $100 bills, lots of them. I also remember that my neighbor had been a detective for the city police and he had mentioned to me years before about this thing where police who are suspicious of large amounts of cash could take it... I drove like I was taking my DMV test not to get pulled over. So Mom and I were not just scared about thieves, but also the police!
Civil asset forfeiture MUST become illegal across this nation. Law-abiding citizens should not have to fear the police the same they would fear the mafia.
... we got to the bank and deposited it with no problem.
The difference between the government and the mafia? You have a chance to live a life with the mafia.
I travel with cash that was legally earned. I visit my kids and grandkids and we have a fun time. I am 80 yrs old. I have lived. If I am pulled over to be robbed, I will take someone out. Nuff said!
& what will you say to God?
@@slimpickins9124 I don't think God wants me to be a victim.
@@johnvanegmond1812 "I don't think", you are correct.
@@slimpickins9124 I also think that if I pay attention, God will guide me in ways to avoid situations like these. Generally speaking.
@@slimpickins9124 I was protecting my property rather than lie or be put in jail God. And God said " @SLIMPICKEINS is that broke down, dirty, smelly, pitiful guy sitting on a sharp rock just outside the gates, yup, the one with the tin cup"
They should pass a law requiring the government to pay attorney costs when someone wins seized money back in a lawsuit.
.... 'requiring the government to pay attorney costs' when anyone wins in court. After all, the government wasted your and my money on a fruitless prosecution.
I would love to be able to believe what we were taught in school. The government works for the people and is here to protect our country and the people in it. Unfortunately , I grew up and learned there are so many lies and misconceptions and untruths in our Society and government.
A true example of why you don’t talk to strangers.
Wow!
or sign something without ur attorney present
I don't know what's worse - civil asset forfeiture, or the fact people refuse to believe it not only exists but is common.
Thank you so much for this information. I am so sorry for this gentleman I hope he gets his money back the police should be ashamed of them selves. You can’t trust the police you can’t trust the courts who can you trust nowadays.
Jury nullification, lawsuit. Hope the guy runs for office
The guy should sue not only for the money but for the opportunity cost to his business due to lack of a tractor trailer.
Wont due any good he will never see that money like he said the cops said its money laundering thats how the fuck us
I told my congressman I didn't want these laws on the books. He said it was in the courts and there was nothing they could do about it. I did this about 3 years ago when I found out what was going on. This is highway robbery.
Your congressman is a criminal. His job is to protect the system, not you.
@@Milesco He's a politician, so you should already know he's a fuckin liar.
Not to long ago police chased a criminal into a private home. The husband was at work and his wife barely got out of there. The cops surrounded the building and a gunfight ensued until the structure was badly shot up. They launched several tear gas canisters into the home and set fire to it. The fire company came and the police did not let them put the fire out until the guy was in handcuffs. He had been disarmed and was detained. The house was a total loss at over 300 grand including contents. The home owners asked the police and the county to replace or repair the damage as the insurance company refused to do so. They also refused. He sued everybody and still had not gotten his money back after almost a year. Get this; the bank STILL WANTED REGULAR MORTGAGE PAYMENTS after 6 months of this crap. We are supposed to be free of this by our government...and they wondered why people stormed the Capital Building and rioted? I do not approve of the violence and damage but I understand the anger, frustration, distrust, apathy and lack of trust that people have with our governing bodies.
@@gregwallace9314 that is allowed because Barrack O'Biden and Joe Bama passed a new clause into constitutional law below the radar, that states any homestead farm real estate livestock planted produce, at the discretion of a government agent, can be used or distributed as the agent sees fit, because the new law declares U S Citizens to be the living property stock of the federal government, also to use as it sees fit
@@gregwallace9314 unfortunately the people who stormed the capitol building blindly support the politicians who enact those policies and are complicit in preserving them. But don't assume I'm bias here, democratic lawmakers have also failed miserably on multiple fronts. But you cant logically advocate for small government while simultaneously supporting and glorifying militarized police.
I am ashamed of my country. This is just terrible.
It's a pratical joke to me when someone calls USA "the land of freedom", hahahahah the average American Citizen is far away from knowing what freedom really is.
Sign this or your going to jail?!? Guess I'm going to jail I'm not signing S**T.
Can you say, "Sandra Bland"?
And lose your job or business
Then they would STILL steal his money, toss him in a cell, convince a judge that he is a flight risk (he literally flew in on a plane, your honor!), and wait a year to let him stand trial. Remember: If they're willing to steal 20 grand at gunpoint, they are willing to ruin your life because you made the process a little harder.
Exactly, you took my words!!!!
@Jess Yess I'm not stating what I would or would not do. I'm pointing out the risks of getting arrested. Remember that this is a state that supported Joe Arpaio. Remember that police in the US are effectively above the law, that they can beat you senseless because they felt like it and you may not have any real recourse.
If you litigate a case like this and you win, the DEA and TSA should be required by federal law to pay all of your court and lawyer costs plus punitive damages for wrongly seizing your assets.
Their liability is capped. This means that even if you win, you will only recover a fraction of your attorneys fees.
@@josephs3973
Their liability is capped because of a law creating that cap, if there were a law to stop this crime against innocent citizens, that cap would have to be removed by that same law in order to put some teeth in it and make it really stop.
Nice idea yet it seems congress has created the legal instruments to allow civil forfeiture to continue.
Even the supreme court ruling it's not unconstitutional just gives law enforcement carte blanche to continue.
They all work form the same side
The government *v* we the people
@@josephs3973 their liability wasn't capped in MN for George Floyd's family it seems. They got millions.
@@SoloRenegade Rightfully so-he was such a nice innocent man on his way to church. If I only had a son...... BO
DEA and TSA should be cleaned out. Stealing peoples money is evil and those that wanted to stop law abiding citizens suing to get their OWN MONEY BACK should be JAILED LOOOOOOOOONg time.
Asset forfeiture sounds unconstitutional. Property seized without being found guilty in court.
Arrest me, if you are taking that kind of cash off me at the airport you will need to run this through a judge. If that means arresting me, arrest me.
They can take your money or arrest you AND take your money. Which one do you think people choose when pressured to do so?
@@josephs3973 If I just had $40,000 taken off me by force all future plans I had just went on hold anyway. Arrest me, I want to speak to a judge about this.
Can you say, "Sandra Bland"?
@@TheBooban Sign it "coerced & robbed"
@@sfm45 The only valid way to do this is not sign anything. If you sign it, and later claim it was 'under duress' it doesn't matter without witnesses, and duress has some pretty clear specifics needed to qualify, like threat of losing your life. But, when armed people with the power of the state behind them are holding you hostage until you sign, to me that is duress. So, the only clear path forward, as risky as it is, is to be arrested where you can at least get it into the public eye and in front of a judge.
They need to be able to sue with triple punitive damages and legal fees covered !
It's not like cops will pay out of their pockets (if you win), so they generally don't care about being sued :( Which is another problem, or part of a problem.
They can take my money anything day if I’m able to sue for 4x more then what I had lol
Amen.
10x and prison time for the thieves/department
They need to be able to sue the individual cops.
I live in kern county, my brother lived in a residence without permission as the property owner was deceased. He lives there for over 8 yrs meaning adverse possession applied. The county served him with an eviction notice to get him out, then told him if he paid the back taxes he could stay. He sold all his possessions, barrowed money, etc. Paid the 12k back taxes, only to go to court for the eviction and be told by the courts that since the court clerk errored on putting the wrong case number on the wrong form his case is thrown out and he has 5 days to leave or go to jail.the courts also said the 12k would not be returned since it was owed by the property owner and the state has the right to collect the taxes owed even though he didn't own the back taxes.
I thought my whole life, including childhood, that nobody understood how wrong rules are applied and how inequity happen when people use them for their own benefit and manipulate the odds in their favor. I was especially astonished by all the people that fervently believe they are protected, while it is obviously the system that is against us, how people could describe 'criminals' as threats to society, while society eat it's own people alive and turn them into those criminals for benefit. We are being blackmailed to work in the interest of others who are protected against other ways of doing things, it is not only disgusting but abhorant, and I still don't get how people can willingly stay ignorant unless when it touches somebody they care about.
Thank you Lehto for making me realize some people know what's going on, yet our hands are already tied because people made it degenerate that far, we just have to be educated about it and how to defend ourselvs from that system who has an hold on us, our rights, and liberty, because they are conditional.
Congress could easily legislate civil asset forfeiture out of existence. Or place limits on it to prevent abuse. Voting matters.
Dude I just wanna say you’re awesome and an integral part of my childhood 🤙🏼
Yes Congress could easily legislate CF out of existence.
Yet cases like the above and there are many of them are still happening.
It does appear to be a violation of ones civil liberties - people going about their lawful business.
Considering, as Steve said, the courts have deemed CF *not* to be unconstitutional, this I would suggest, congress is happy for this to continue...
Seize the profits from criminal activity by all means.
Not steal from people going about their law abiding business.
does it really? I am not sure sure it matters in modern times. Do you really think over 80 million people voted for Biden? I am seriously consider that.
Jeff Sessions, Trump’s Attorney General made Civil Asset Forfeiture easier after the Obama Administration put policies in place to make it harder.
Yes, voting matters.
Yes, Biden got millions more votes than Trump.
@@emjtucson So is Biden going to make CAF harder again, or just let the Feds keep raking it in? I don't recall it being a campaign promise.
My buddy who lives in Texas said the Highway patrol was PISSED because he was travelling with a $50k certificate check. He told the cop to his face "I got a check because I know how Gov't is so when I get to my destination I'll get $50k cash from the bank" They tried to take the check, it was made out to him he said if you take it you cant cash it.
Sadly the only way...
Smart man.
That's it.
Brilliant
Generally, I'm not all that interested in law or lawyer speak but you do an excellent job making it very interesting.
I've met guys in the middle of the night that required " Civil Asset Forfeiture", they carried guns too.
When I was back in high school in the late 1970s, one of our assignments in US history class was to write a hypothetical letter to a colleague in the Soviet Union explaining how the US Constitution protected us from being deprived of life, liberty, or property by the government without due process. It’s extremely disappointing and frustrating to now realize that what I wrote was a lie. It’s even more frustrating that the US Supreme Court has sanctioned this lie.
@Warren Higgins Civil forfeiture abuse didn’t start with the current administration. This issue also transcends typical right - left politics. Fortunately, ‘liberal’ civil liberties advocates and ‘conservative’ smaller government libertarians can, should, and will unite in opposition to these flagrant abuses of the US Constitution to bring this nonsense to an end.
In the1970s it was no where near as bad as it is now. The war on drugs that was ramped up in the 80s and 90s is what has lead to this.
its helpful that people are starting to realize it was a lie. only when the vast majority of the population is ready can we make it actually true
Ahhh...high school indoctrination. Good times.
The United States is broke and needs people like your good self to stand as surety for the national debt all while robbing you in every way possible. And people thought it was just taxes. Ha!
Translation: Government can do whatever it wants.
I've never heard of a civil award being granted to a litigant before a trial.
The line "Cannot give comment because of current litigation" is a great and convenient way to not answer a question, I love it!
Cop takes your money go to police department then file theft charges against the police officer, say he did not charge or arrest me then stole my money.
Unfortunately, Phoenix PD wouldn't bother to investigate if Kamala Harris snatched a woman's purse in front of them on live television. This is just some professional thieves making good for their worthless bosses.
It will work to file charges from one Man against another Man. Do not sue the CORPORATION (PERSON).
if you individually sued the police officer that took it from you, they'd have it dismissed on qualified immunity. Even in a state without qualified immunity the court would likely say... you are suing the wrong entity; Since this person took the money as part of their duties as an employee / police officer, you have to sue their employer / the police department. That suit would then get dismissed as civil asset forfeiture is legal and no one has done anything to make this illegal - mostly because of the massive amounts of revenue it brings.
Cops commit crimes all the time, with impunity.
Its legal for the cop to take it and keep it. Its the cop's money, not yours. He can take your life, too, so best to STFU.
This seems so unbelievable. Why isn't this, forget it. I don't even have the words. God help us.
Don't worry. 4th Amendment? No big thing. After all having them not screw with the 2nd is worth the - FREEDOM! What fucking freedom when bullshit like this is LEGAL? It's like having to "Show zee papers!" when your plates don't match the state you're driving in and, god help you, you're going to lose no matter what.
You'd better call on someone that knows you...
I’m with you. No words.
Cops are gestapo now. When you see people wanting to defund the police... this is why! They have too much power!
God isn't going to help you. you need to help yourself
This happened in a town in north east Texas. A woman and her husband were travelling to Texarkana,Tx to buy a car. They were pulled over for a basic traffic violation. The officer searching them and the vehicle found a large amount of cash. I think around $3,000.00 . She was threatened to have her taken by CHILDREN PROTECTIVE SERVICES unless she relinquished trying to get there cash back. So a state representative has taken the law to the capital to change the law.
They need to start getting the names of the officers involved display them on social media.
The money was stolen in Phoenix to make it more difficult for the victim to get it back, ie: he lives in Charlotte.
You can bet the guys in Charlotte are getting a cut.
Oklahoma allows you to pay an extra fee to not report a traffic infraction after paying the ticket, so your rates won't go up.
@@HH-ru4bj Not the topic of this video.
@@markthebuilder9837 true, but in the braider theme of government scams, it fits somewhere in there.
@@HH-ru4bj Precedence established.
The cops 'seized' 3000 dollars from my friend who was just parked on the street just outside his neighbor's house. They raided the house for drug bust and asked if he knew his neighbors. Eventually, the cops found out he had 3000 dollars on him (he owned a hair salon and was taking it to the bank). It's been 13 years and he still hasn't gotten it back. No charges against him were made.
Best he start stealing from government workers. Break into judges & police houses until recompensed with 13yrs interest & inflation etc etc. Politicians houses are also free for all. They pass the laws.
Sad
Our founders overthrew the Crown for less....
@@leighanneboles6609 but true.
That would push me to....less-than-legal methods of recourse.
The overwhelming majority of people convicted of a crime, do _not_ turn repeat offenders. So this idea so many have, that "once a criminal, always a criminal", is severely misplaced. This is heavily backed by the statistics of all our branches of law enforcement, correctional system and judiciary.
thank you
When I first started hearing about these “forfeiture” cases years ago, I immediately made a point to never carry more than $500 in cash on me. If I need to pay someone thousands of dollars, I do a cashier’s check, direct bank transfer, or a payment app.
It won’t stop. It’s worth too much to the local jurisdictions.
The feds also incentivize it by having a sharing scheme
Until they seize some cash from a Senator's son or daughter. I imagine once they realize their corruption went too far cash is given back with apologizes. And fast. Then back to business...
The only way to make it stop is to kill every member of the police department that steals the money AND the entire local city government. 100% guaranteed this shit will stop immediately
The 14 dislikes are cops who are mad that your getting this word out to people who were oblivious to this unjust law. Lol
My father was a federal agent then police officer; he was tired of all the bs government could get away with, this was the late 1960's. Later he saw other police officers shaking down black teens and placing guns and pot on them to take them in. He spoke out, but they just ignored him. He worked in a very upscale wealthy city. When Black Stars and Slebs, where were moving in the area, the cops were still giving them grief. One multimillionaire foot ball star, was arrested for trying to "break into" his own house. He kicked in the screen, lost his keys... my dad told everyone this is... So and so... the other cops were like who? Whatever... My dad more or less told the court, and the football star was cleared... but all of this time later, this is why until five years ago, we would always have season tickets to any home NFL game in our state; since 1981. LOL!!!! That guy made certain!!!
Maybe they are people that hate people that sell drugs and ruin lives and see a bit of karma here.
Steve, in the absence of a warrant, probable cause is needed for lawful search and seizure. Simply carrying a large amount of cash isn’t illegal, so what legal justification is being used to meet the threshold for probable cause when there was no crime witnessed or reported?
They should make it where if the government loses the case then they should have to pay all your attorney bills.
Used to be you didn't carry cash for fear of being mugged. Now this.
I don’t see the difference.
The muggers are now hiding behind a badge
If you're being mugged you can fight back. With the pira......I mean police, good luck with that.
@@spikespa5208 even with undercover or plainclothes cops who come off as street thugs andor impersonators you can't flee or fight back. You have to assume they're cops from the start. Of course that means impersonators will be having a field day once they figure that out.
They also seize your money away from where you live to make it inconvenient to sue them. If you're from NC and they seize it in AZ so you have to travel across the country for any suit.
Creating Criminality for the sake of creating criminals should be a crime against humanity.
I thank you for what your doing which IMO is allowing people to get their head out of the sand.
In Montana, the legislature got tired of hearing about asset forfeiture where no crime was charged, so they created the crime of "Being in possession of property subject to forfeiture".
Just WOW
what?
Forfeiture is one of the scariest things allowed. It's nearly impossible to get items back once confiscated, regardless of reason for confiscation.
That is called communism in what ever terms you want to put it.
@@romonshakra9381 I never thought of communism as being about money. I always considered it about power and control. Thank you for giving me something to think about!
@@dannymorgan6053 Money is a form of power and control when it's cycles of creation and destruction are rigged to a mathemagical system of debt fueled lunacy that's been forbidden in every religion except one.
@@dannymorgan6053 one of the crucial roles of fiat currency is control.
@@foxbox2879 Yes, if you have enough, you can be the controller in many scenarios. My initial point was that for most people, forfeiture is a practice that is legally stealing as most times it costs more in resources to get honest assets released than it's worth to many.
Keep it up Steve. I've been a subscriber since you first started. How can we help these people fight?
lesson learned. admit nothing, don't disclose anything, don't trust the police or the TSA. there are more criminals in law enforcement than there are in prisons.
I just drove over state lines with the money to buy a car. You had me paranoid the fuzz was gonna rob me. I got away with the crime of travelling with money. . . . Thug life
Dont look now but there is a cop behind you ...
Thug life glasses pop up with joint on lips and jogger beats in background
ya that made me laugh.
😎
Wait - If he was money laundering, why wouldn't they arrest him on the spot? I'd have made them arrest me.
The correct response is "arrest me then." And we'll see how well your "case" holds up in court.
The only way this type of crap stops, is to call their bluff and rub their faces in it afterward.
My father in law is building his dream Ford chop top. I went with him to pickup the rolling chassis. I asked him how he was paying? He told me cash. I began to explain civil forfeiture and how the cops can just take his money. He said he was never arrested for anything and that they would never take his money. I told him the police believe anyone who possessed $18k in cash is suspect and that they can and will take it with no proof of a crime. I’m pretty sure he still thinks I’m full of it.
This country's founders are rolling over in their graves.
"It's crazy that our government does this to us." Do you know our government?
Right.
I know of a guy who got stopped by an American agent in Shannon Ireland -he was settling his Grandfathers' small estate -he was wearing an 18k Gold and stainless Rolex and a pentagram -- he was going through a Goth/Pagan stage..Since then he was "on the list" stopped twice in 3 trips. Gave up going there.
Just saw a news story about two New Mexico business men traveling through Oklahoma on I40 when they were pulled over by a cop. They had $140K in cash on them that they were going to use to buy about 10 acres of farmland. Short story the cops let them go but kept the cash. They claim they had a right under asset forfeiture laws to keep the money if they believe it was going to used for illegal purposes. Even getting the guy they were going to buy the land from to verify they were telling the truth about the money didn't help. They lost their money to the cops even though the cops could not prove they were doing anything illegal..law says all they have to do is 'believe'' it might be used illegally. Congress needs to do something to tighten up that law so this can't happen to innocent people.