HK 41: "Paramilitary Rifle" for the Bundeswehr
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- The HK41 (designation: “paramilitary rifle”, caliber 7.62x51mm) was the first semiautomatic version of the G3 military rifle. It was made for the Bundeswehr reservist market; a rifle that could be privately owned in Germany but which would duplicate the handling of the G3 for reservists to practice with. It went into production in 1966, with a standard pinned lower and S-E semiautomatic trigger group. To comply with German laws, it would only accept a 5-round magazine and could not mount a bayonet or rifle grenades. In addition to German commercial sale, there was also interest form the US, and rifles were exported there.
In 1968, the Gun Control Act was passed int he US, which enacted stricter rules about what could be imported. In addition, in 1973 German law changed and made the HK41 effectively impossible to own in Germany. This prompted a change in the design, with a new pin-less power introduced to comply with US laws (and along with it a “S-F” semiauto fire control group). This model was imported into the US by SACO in 1974 in small numbers. In 1975 HK USA was formed, and in 1977 production of the HK41 ended, to be replaced with the HK91 designed specifically for export sale to the US and elsewhere. In total, only about 1350 HK41 rifles were made, and only about 400 of them imported into the US.
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The fact that I didn’t know it was legal for reservists to own a weapon for training purposes shows you how well it sold.
Ich hab Schulden bei der GEZ - Können Sie mir dabei helfen, Herr Zwegert.? Bringen Sie die dicke Wittler auch gleich mit - mein Keller braucht Deko. 😅
Markierter Kommentator sehr gerne, unterschreiben sie noch eben diesen Knebelvertrag in dem sie ihre komplette Menschenwürde an RTL abtreten. Ich bring auch gleich die Jungs von Mittem im Leben mit und im Januar gehts für sie ins Dschungelcamp, wir machen sie zu einem richtigen Z-Promi.
@@roadrunner6224 / Herrlich, endlich hat mein Leben wieder einen Sinn, dank Ihnen und RTL. Ich freue mich schon sehr auf die Känguru Hoden. Den Knebelvertrag lass ich aber erstmal bei Solmecke prüfen. Nicht das ich mich da noch raus winden kann. - Ich trete natürlich sämtliche Rechte ab. 👍 😅
@@Antigonus. well that was over 50 years ago
@@Antigonus. Yes, but I assume being a reservist counted as a valid reason to apply for a civvie license back then, until it no longer did. The other reasons being a longtime member of a sport shooting club (mostly .22 and small cal handguns, stored at the club), a licensed hunter (very hard exam and you need the dough to rent/buy acres of forest), a senior employee in the security industry, or (very rarely) being a person under unusual threat of violent crime like diamond dealers and stuff.
Just one other HK note:
In some circles, "S E F" fire control groups were "translated" as :
Safe, Economy, FUN!
This was particularly applicable to the HK33 and MP5 series.
Ah yes, that quote from Alex C in his top 5 battle rifles.
I though F was for Family discount?
@@Leo___________ F is for Freedom.
On a .308 rifle does the f mean “oh F***!”?
"Because bayonets are important"
EU 2019.
galindo stephen that made me laugh pretty good.
Ironie: There never was a Bayonett issued to the Bundeswehr when the G3 was in full service
@@JaneCobbsHat bro all the time all these gangs out here bayonet charging themselves out here constantly
How do you think the Imperial Guard manages to win against xenos and Chaos? That's right, bayonets.
Hello Ian. On the original G41 for use by Bundeswehr-Reservists, there was no muzzle-brake at all - the barrel was straight and plain with no thread at the end. In our lokal Bundeswehr reserve-shooting-sport-group, we used one of these original early G41 for many years.
I love these old HK rifles. Stamped steel simplicity. Rugged appeal.
Likely will be able to pick up and shoot most of them in 200 years.
@@MrLoobu And look good doing it.
Something about stamped steel and wood/bakelite/old timey plastic is sexy
Lojak lol
Hauptmann Sturm hell yea it is.
I've got a 1/74 model that I bought back in the early 80's. I was a poor college student at the time and couldn't afford a brand new HK91. The new 91 was $450, while the used 41 was $400. It took me years to figure out that I had something special.
Thank god they stopped the mass bayonet attacks Germany was going through......
I had an Aimpoint just like that back in 1985 (4:43). The red dot sight was the latest, greatest back in those days. Technology has certainly advanced in red dot optics, even with the flood of cheap junk that can't hold zero after a couple of shots.
What aimpoint is that? Can’t find info on it.
@@andrewb321 It was the Mark III. There is one on ebay right now that has some photos from various angles.
Any Forgotten weapons video: "And then gun laws came and made everything fun and beautiful illegal".
so true!
I know something about it. In Poland is so hard to get a gun license.
@@MILITARY-TUBE If history has taught us anything its that Poles should be well armed and well trained.
@@MILITARY-TUBE Then you need a gun.
"Personally, I blame MTV"
I cant find any real good information on early red dot sights, I've always thought that would make a good video
Karl with a K i agree. it’d be cool to see how reliability and battery life improved & different major milestones. Then people will start being like “well my sightmark is as good as 1970s aimpoint!” Lol
look on inrange with the video he did with carl on the aimpoint, he goes into a little bit of the hstory there
I've learned more from Ian than I ever did in school.
Yeah but where to apply that wisdom?
@@lptomtom I think the joke went right over your head.
@@SergeantQuackersThe2nd was pretty played out joke
“Yeah, I’m so pumped for my conscription period that I’m going to buy a rifle to train with.” What a market.
Thanks Ian. You answered a bunch of questions I had about the HK 91.
Fun and useful G3 based rifle: Exists
Government: NEIN! NEIN! NEIN! NEIN!
Well, there was that issue of those pesky Red Army Faction guys going around and shooting people (and mostly important industry and politics people, not some common riffraf at that), so they had to do *something*, "for the children" and all that good stuff...
@@tunisiwi You can still own a gun like this as far as I know.
@@blauerbruder596 True. Own an AR-15, could buy one of these as well. I need to check egun...
@@GermanEngineer84 but well, you know can't buy one just as a reservist, that might be the difference.
@@blauerbruder596 That's true but between 1971 and 1972 the Reichswaffengesetz from the Weimar Republic was in power. And that required a need to own a weapon, just as it is today. You had to be either a hunter or sports shooter or collector. Between 1952 and 1971 state laws regulated guns but based that on the Weimar Republic law. Some states were more restrictive (Hamburg), some less (Bavaria).
So chances are that just being a reservist never was a legal reason to buy a gun here. But the gun laws may have had a ban on certain types of guns that resemble military weapons a bit too much. Which is still to an extent a law, guns can't resemble full auto guns. But now it's enough to not be bullpup, not use ammo with cases shorter than 40mm (that's really dumb) and be long enough (barrel length of 16in or more).
TY Ian. As a child of the cold war we were issued the C1 FAL as standard infantry rifle, even for 12-18 year old cadets. Things moved fast beyond the 303-22 cal. Enfield , then the TOW , browning 30.cal , . TOW on jeeps were a developing story, but big TY for reminding me of the time. It was not all bad. I had a German family connection, and there were steppes taken to see if I could mesh with the Bundeswere at the time. I grew bored, and went logging, but still a hi point in my life. My core unit was 3 PPCLI , core # 2439.
One of those hk41 was used by the Red Army Fraction. This was a major factor for the German law makers to ban weapons that looked like regulated „weapon of war“ (assault rifles, MGs, Tanks...). Thank god we got rid of this useless rule in 2003.
We didn't get rid of it completely. For sport shooters Anscheinkriegswaffen still have a number of restrictions (barrel length >42cm, no bullpubs, no cartridges 10 rounds). But at least with a hunting permit you can now own pretty much any long gun you want, no matter what it looks like or what caliber it fires \o/
TheBigOne0305 and with a hunting permit. You don’t need permission to buy a long gun. You simply tell them if you bought one and it gets written in to your WBK.
Wasn’t it a HK43 that was used by the RAF?
I'm well aware of that, I have a hunting permit ;)
But I still think it's a stupid rule that unduly discriminates sport shooters for no good reason. The "law" (technically it's not even a law these days, it's part of a "Verwaltungsvorschrift") simply makes no sense.
@phillb36: They used a variety of weapons, including stolen Bundeswehr G3s (full auto of course) and any other guns they could get their hands on.
Yes, another rifle based on the G3
So, another CETME clone
no
AK-12, huh? I see you're a Shikkikan of culture as well.
@@cyborg_patat9492 Indeed
@@Boredoutofmywits And the CETME was developed by german engineers which former worked for Mauser and left Germany after the war, heading for Spain. HK itself was founded by former Mauser employees. So the circle is complete.
No bayonet No fun
Wow i just made one of these from g3 and Cetme parts its crazy how this would show up the day after i finished. Thought I was being special lol.
"There are many rifles but this one is mine." That's all the reason you need to feel special.
Feel special because yours is done and I'm having trouble with bending the flat
@@grahamlopez6202 i fucked up on 2 of them so i broke down and used a local gun smith i truly recamend spending the money so you dont wast the time and money buying and shiping flats/blanks
Nobody:
Japan: No bayonet?! SHAMEFUR DISPRAY!!
*commits seppuku in disgust*
I have one. My dad bought in brand new in the 1970s. Still shoots great. Honestly, I cannot see why even a military would want this weapon in full auto. It is a handful to control when rapid firing and it will cycle just as fast and you can work the trigger in semi-auto... I think you are wrong about the muzzle break tho... mine came just like what you show in the picture, right out of the factory box and the finish on mine is identical to the weapon.
Nothing says trust like preventing your army reservists from owning a toned down version of their service rifle
At the end of the day Reservists are more civilians than military, so I can see why.
@@killdizzle Implying that Germany has strict laws on its citizens. Good Job try to misinterpret my sentence with American narratives.
They're planning to build a 10 meters wide trench around the Reichstag
Fabian Konrath I wouldn’t be surprised, but are they actually?
@@colinmoriarty yes, no shit
Hey Forgotten Weapons. Thanks for your amazing Videos. I would just like to point out one Detail. The Standart German Military G3s didn´t had the Possibility for a Bayonet at all. Keep up the great work
I'm extremely disappointed by the lack of Tremors references in this comments section.
Burt: why do you expect me to have a refrence?
Brandon: because you're burt
Burt: damn right I am!
Lol I remember that! Good call!
I read "for the Budweiser", still not sure if wrong.
Mr S Easy to remember:
Bundeswehr - German military
Budwiser - Piss
Paul Alexander Agreed
early aimpoint exists:
Larry Vickers:
[ insert image of Anthony Adams rubbing hands together next to tree ]
It’s freaking bad when you see HK in the thumbnail and it’s the first and fastest video Lol. I don’t even know what the other videos were smh lmao. Great video, the best firearms channel imo.
Great looking rifle, but I prefer the chunkier fore end.
They are interchangeable. I bought a 91 fore end for my 41 once but I went back to the original part.
How many different ways can I express my love for this channel? Before Ian I was forced to scrounge 40-year-Old copies of Janes Infantry Weapons and overpay for books at gun shows.
I love that concept of a cheap similar gun for reservist. USA could sell the stock pile of old M16's just to allow reservist/guard an opportunity to practice manual of arms.
Thank you , Ian .
Another fascinating forgotten firearms episode!
Not sure if this is still the case, laws may have changed. But there was a period where the HK41 (and 43) were California legal because the law only banned "HK-91" and "HK-93"s.
There's been a lot of that over the years. The whole 1994 "Assault" Weapons Ban listed about 50 models by the exact name, which were banned outright, and then a bunch of "traits" of "assault weapons" which rifles were limited to having no more than a few of, such as pistol grip on a rifle, bayonet lug, detachable magazine outside of the pistol grip, etc. The TEC-9 for instance, a 9mm semi-auto pistol, became the TEC-9AB (after ban) model and continued manufacturing almost unchanged, lacking only the threaded barrel of the pre-ban model, as did every other rifle mentioned specifically by name. They just removed the bayonet lug on most AR-15s and continued production under slightly altered names, often incorporating the word "sporting rifle" into the model name/designation.
Well you could buy the 20 round magazines in Germany, they are not regulated.
not yet -.-
Ran to the safe to grab my PTR clone for bible study.
Seconded
I always find it interesting that a bayonet is always a defining part of an "assault weapon." It just turns a gun into a spear, a weapon that I could easily purchase or craft myself. Then again I can't think of any real piratical reason why a civilian shooter would ever need to fix a knife onto their rifle. Maybe if your bear hunting and have severally injured it but don't have/or want to waist the bullets to finish it off.
Assault weapon is a made up term, no civilian sporting rifle in the world has been or ever will be called an assault weapon.
So my 18th Century flintlock musket, that accepts a bayonet, is an 'assault weapon', by hoplophobic definition. After all it is "a weapon of war".
@@doraran2138 exactly.
I just want to say that you can own weapons like the shown in germany still today. You can't just buy them if u turned 18 but there are ways to get guns, also like this. A: EWB = "Erwerbsberechtigung" translatetd like: permit-to-buy. If u are a person who likes to shoot on gun ranges, you have to become a member in a shootclub. If you are 1year or longer active there, they will run a background check and if you are clean, you get your EWB for the weapons that are needed to shoot in your club. If they have a rifle range, you can buy a rifle for example. B: You are a collecter of guns. You need to have a bunch of very old weapons for example, that are totaly free to get (blackpoweder guns and stuf like this) and you need to explain why u like to collect guns, than it's possible to get a license for that. C: The Hunt. You are interessted into hunting, than you have to get a huntinglicense. Weapons for that are more restricted but it's also possible, almost the same like to get a fishinglicense. You will need to take some courses that teach you how to shoot the target without unnessesary suffer for it and stuff like that, also gun safety, than you are free to go. What we don't have in germany, is a permission to carry. The only way that you can legaly use a fireweapon i ngermany to defend yourself is, if you are a legal owner and someone is walking into your house to rob you.
I'm so happy whe these videos get uploaded nbs
Australian major Peter Badcoe VC (post) carried one of those in action in Vietnam. His HK is on display at the school of infantry small arms museum singletons NSW. When I saw it I was surprised because I assumed it was a G3, never having heard of a 41. There's a plaque under it describing its history and how it was donated to the museum in the 1970s by his widow (Aust gun laws were a bit different back then).
I think the red letter marking is really just an F and not an E like Ian implied. "Sicher" and "Feuer" would make perfect sense to be on a semi automatic German fire-control group unless it was specifically adapted for the American market in the case of this 'second generation rifle.
Ian! I work Saturdays aswell haha.
When I saw the title I first read it as "A parliamentary rifle", which made me think of spirited discussions in the Italian parliament.
Ive always wanted one of these with a wooden stock and handguard. IMO, the diopter sights of this and the mp5 are my favourite rype of iron sights, even if they are not as practical as some
Please make a video about the Remington acr rifle.
“Intended for sale to paramilitary German service”
IRA: *Laughs in Gaelic*
Always loved how this weapon looks.
goodness why are all hk rifles g3 variants?
Yes.
I guess they just go with the "if it ain't broke don't fix it"
Same with the lower of the mp7 and hk45ct sharing a lot in common.
The Germans had a great idea building paramilitary rifle.
I put an HK G28 muzzle on my HK 91 and the HK G8 club foot stock and I love it
That's a gun from an era when, for German measures, we had NO gun control.
I still don’t understand how removing the swing down pin actually prevents anything and why seemingly it only applies to HK roller guns as opposed to being more general in scope.
It prevents the insertion of a select fire trigger pack. Select fire packs are not considered a machine gun by themselves, the host needs to be able to accept them.
240shwag I get that’s the reason but the pack isn’t the grip housing it’s a separate part. As far as I can tell the push pin part is just part of the grip housing.
I have that same Aimpoint at home an aimpoint mk 3 it's pretty cool it auto adjusts to ambient light
There is some strange beauty in that rifle.
German citizen: Can my HK 41 have a 20 round magazine, a bayonet, and the original muzzle device?
German government: NEIN NEIN NEIN!!!
Very Cool H&K !!!!!!! I would love to have one in my collection. Thanks for showing it Gun Jesus
I like to imagine an angry man charging me down a hill with his HK41 equipped with bayonet and rifle grenade
Ha you can't have a bayonet lug. Dude it's a gun WTF.
god forbid you stab someone with your gun
Politicians, particularly Leftists and Progressives generally see the bayonet t be particularly "oppressive" , not my words but theirs, BTW. You see, they assume that the populace will be disarmed and the most common form of dissent will be through large public protests. Based upon their comments and writings in the initial stages of putting down protests, it is considered bad form to shoot the proletariat, as the workers support the lifestyle of the elites and chosen party members. and the bayonet has been considered particularly threatening for well, since the spear was invented. Shooting protesters introduces all sorts of complications. So, its understandable that those persons writing oppressive new laws would make one of their fears prominent in the law. Additionally, the bayonets just "looks' all threatening, so it must be bad. In a military sense, bayonets have been obsolescent since the disappearance of horses and the widespread adoption of repeating firearms (yes, I'm aware of the reported use of a bayonet charge in routing islamic militants in SW Asia in the ongoing wars.)
Other than that, you have a general idea of what a "gun" is beyond seeing it in poplar media and thinking its a near magical tool.
Charles Adams I mean there's also the psychological factors around a bayonet, having something that you can physically see as a potential thing that could be stuck between your ribs tends to gain a larger fear response from arguably more people than the abstract idea of being killed by something you won't even see enter (and possibly exit) you before the blood starts pumping and the pain pops up, such as a bullet.
@@insertname1667: you're approaching this somewhat rationally. One man with a bayonet equipped rifle maybe is a threat against one protester. One man with a bayonet equipped rifle is nothing to five, ten, fifty protesters.
The Left, the Progressives, the Socialists, the Statists, the Communists, the Fascists, are not considering a militia of multiple people with bayonet equipped rifles on their side as a possibility, so it must be a threat from those opposed. In fact, to a statist, a militia is antithetical to the whole world view. By definition, a militia cannot exist in the State as defined by statists.
And even the most irrational and careless statists are aware enough to stay out of harm's way, even while trying to "be brave." As example, the existence of "commissars" or similar party type insurers of the troops/conscripts fealty to the Leftist/Progressive/Socialist/Communist/Fascist/Statist party line is ever present before conflict. However, they are almost always absent when real fighting occurs due to fear. Such fear is ever present to the Statist mind. This is the fear of the bayonet, a "tool of oppression," which is why they invariably target such devices, as ineffective in modern warfare as they might be.
The bayonet was not designed to be a tool of crowd control, it was to be a compromise for a spear, a tool to be used to defend the foot soldier from horseback cavalry. That it has become synonymous with crowd control is a compromise of a compromise, and minimally effective at that.
Oh, and BTW, in almost every case, movies not withstanding, beng shot does produce an immediate response.
Honestly. Not against all gun laws but the bayonet lug ones are the dumbest.
Because you know, using your semi auto as a short spear makes it so much more dangerous
They're not still using Mausers? I thought those never went obsolete since the internet guru's told me.
Joke aside, they probably have some for parade stuff
I like your name. Nice reference.
Very interesting indeed.
No mention of removal of the rifle grenade retaining ring ahead of the front sight. I think that is all they changed and not the flash suppressor. And did the Bundeswehr issue bayonets with G3s? My understanding was they did not.
Instead of just saying they fetch a premium I wish Ian would ballpark the value of the guns he shows. It's just cool to know what the name and history is worth to an HK collector since obviously the gun won't really function any better than a new PTR 91.
The side push button where always there, they just removed the paddel.
Can you do a review on the Winchester 1892 from the rifleman?
Yes, Yes, YES.....PLEASE, PLEASE,PLEASE.........
Check the playlists. There's a whole series on lever action development.
@@nolsp7240 Yes I know and have watched them but the Winchester from the rifleman is slightly different to the standard 1892.
NOw I understand the 1 on my HK91. :) But what does the 9 mean???
In 3:45 up he said that the 9 means semi auto, civilian i guess
Hauptmann Sturm Thanks. I wish there was an easy cheat sheet.
MP5 Machine Pistol 9mm
91 Civilian semi-auto 308
41 Military training 308
416 Military training 556
G36 Military auto 556
MP7 Machine Pistol 46x30
VP70 “Volkspistole” people’s pistol 1970
P7 Pistol 9mm
PSG1 Persian Shooting German 308...
I want them all!
I just bought a PTR 91, and it happens to have a select fire control group that mimics the original HK41, its even labeled S,E,F. It also has both the button and paddle mag release, and the original styled muzzle break shown in his video. Is this all fairly standard for the PTR? This video led me to think it may be a unique combination of the surplus parts PTR used.
Yeah PTR tries to emulate the G3 as exactly as they can, they've made some changes from the hk91 that was being sold in the US.
That naming system tho, darn germans 🤣
Do they still use the same format?
What does that make HK416?
Can you make a video of Indian assault rifle INSAS with INSAS LMG if you get hands on them?
Nowadays anything is considered a machine gun in the U.S. if an ATF agent can "convert" it with a full workshop of tools in less than a month.
Wait, how the hell had I already watched this? Maybe RIA put it up on their site while I was browsing the catalogue? Darnit
Nice
hmm soldiers training themselves?? that would be an interesting video
Practicing rifle skills is always helpful
I'd like the vintage aimpoint device
Does HK33 have 20 round magazine version?
The system of the G3 is based on the system of the MG 42. In the English-speaking world, this weapon is called a battle rifle. In German-speaking countries, this weapon is used as an assault rifle. If I had to go into battle I would prefer the G3 to the G36.
HK Style rifles are beautiful ....
I'm getting ready for work and I stopped to watch this.
McDonalds can wait hu ?
very cool !
Hmm, was there a military in the world that had both AKM and G3 derivatives in service at the same time? Aka the sane one?
Indonesia maybe.
Well if it fits your definition. The Estonian military used/uses 5.56 galils from Israel and .308 nato G3 (the swedish made AK4 version).
Pakistan and Iran maybe.
Yes the Bundeswehr after 1988 and the unification of DDR and BRD.
Both stocks of military rifles where for months in use until they got slowly replaced after the logistics for the new Bundeswehr were settled.
It took a while and many NVA soldiers refuse to join or were simply not taken into the new Forces.
A "little" mess to deal with at that time.
There is no way that claw mount could hold a zero........how tight does it clamp?
For those of us who aren’t too familiar with it, what are the major differences between this and the HK91?
I really want to own one of these rifles, I bet they are a blast to shoot targets with.
God I love early red-dot optics
Still waiting for a video of the HK 51
Make video about vintage red dot sights.
8 seconds since post, 69 views, nice.
12 minutes and 1.5k views
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Do you track how much this stuff actually sells for at this Auction?
That's odd, there's no comments from last week or even yesterday, was this not a Patreon timed exclusive?
Buttonrelease is standard on G3 rifles though
Video well Made as always. Enjoyed it.
But the letters for the select means "S" for Sicherheit and "F", i suppose for "Fire".
Or the "E" u saw is very washed out😂
In Fact The HK41 Was A G3 Variant from The G3 Family having Roller blowback
Is the ptr 91 any different?
Designing a Rifle for one of the most hoplohpobe countries in the world? Lol
That means a phobia of guns right?I read that somewhere. Just checking to be sure
I have a bad feeling about that i have seen the similar firearm (NOT A G3) at darra adam kheil gunsmiths market in Pakistan at dirt cheap price
Is the PTR 91 different than this?
PSA if you want this gun but don’t want to pay a ton of money Century Arms makes a really nice clone called the C308
G3 called AK4 made by Husqvarna in Sweden👍🏻
I am actually interested in the aim point
Many years ago I did see an early HK41 that was converted to full auto. It was fairly easy. It came with the full auto bolt carrier, and with a few licks from a file, the full auto lower just slipped right in. I was surprised that it came into the US as a semiauto. The converted HK41 that I saw was legal and was registered during the amnesty. Before the amnesty, I don't want to know.
A G3 with no full auto or bayo lug? Wow, what a loss /s
Doesn't Ian dislike the way the g3 shoots?
Yup. He made his own left-hand friendly model. Still isn't a huge fan