Grinding Saw Chain! in Oregon! (620)
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- Recently bought a saw chain grinder; I thought it best to come talk to you about it asap.
Legal disclaimer: I didn't sharpen these in Oregon, though I hear it's nice there. Just covering my search terms. Hope you understand.
"They do say what doesn't kill you makes you stronger. But no one ever seems to mention how it chips away at your sanity." This is the real-world experience you don't get on other channels.
I think you can recycle sanity chips. Not into more sanity, but like sell it for art glitter or something
Step 1: break sanity into bite sized chips
Step 2: ??????????
Step 3: profit!
@@bdkj3e "eating sanity" starts getting into some lovecraftian or dungeons and dragons level stuff... Possibly both. Additional research is required
what doesn't kill you... gives you unhealthy coping mechanisms.
I usually say it leaves you scarred and diminished.
"Live, learn, forget, learn again. That's my way."
As a cantankerous middle-aged (former) chainsaw user, I appreciate the truth in these words.
It’s ridiculous how long I’ve been watching Tony and how I still get excited like an 8 year old in a candy store whenever a new vidya pops ip
i dont believe you have ever sharpened a chain. you just ruined that chain by sharpening it backward.
Yeah me too. LOL, it has been about a year and I came across this by accident. I didn't even know what the subject was or that it was TOT. But when I saw the "HANDS".. I knew I was in it for a spell.... 🙂 Thanks as always Tony....
Loved the After-After comparison, really focuses the difference between after sharpening and before it gets dull again.
That is truly the only comparison that's important.
Tony, it is actually us who enjoy your company and, in the recesses of our machine oil-stained souls, yearn for it.
You've put a caption on the screen for people who want to skip ahead. May I just politely and with all respect laugh in your face? I guarantee you, there is no one who would do that! Yes, we learn about things from you and your videos are full of practical advice and machinist's wisdom, but there is a secret reason we all watch you. We love your company and we want to hear your voice and laugh and forget our worries for that short time we can spend with your virtual self.
Thank you for all you bring to this world, Tony!
Oh how true.
You hooked me with your statement.
Wouldn't we all want a friend like TOT....
Amen to that, Dude.
No. While your viewership and enthusiasm is very much appreciated, Tony already told you several times, sir! He will not send you a pair of his soiled gym socks. Also, your idea regarding the release of an annual calendar will be taken into consideration, though the pantsless w/toolbelt suggestion may not align with the usual message and aim of this channel. Thank you. :^)
That's probably the nicest comment I've seen in 2023, and it's true !
Yes Tony makes us all believe that he is our friend, a virtual friend, but our friend. For all you losers that think you have a friend, try borrowing a tool from "your friend". He's here for entertainment, he is a master word-smith after all, just as is Ave. Don't get me wrong, I love Tot, but I don't think he's going to be a friend of mine anytime soon, and I wouldn't miss a video for anything. Like subscribe and share for my friend Tot.
The "after" and "after" shots really showed the difference between the dull chain and the freshly sharpened one! I almost couldn't believe the difference!!! wow! 😍😍😍 I wonder what the "before" and "before" comparison would be....
The after/after comparison: for when you don't think to take a before shot.
I worked for Oregon Tool in the Machine Design Dept, designing the chain assembly/grinding machines. I learned SO MUCH about chain cutter geometry in the short time I was there and it’s fun to see it talked about again :-)
Hate to admit it but I have an irrational dislike for Oregon Tool only because when i worked at FedEx they were really heavy and awkward boxes to move around since they were so dense
I used to service the little CNC machines they had retrofitted to perform the actual grinding. I was always fascinated by the automation y'all had designed to get the individual teeth loaded into that machine.
Hopefully they're no longer using salt-water as a grinding medium...
On the question of “Will you go through chains faster?” one consideration would be that you’re more likely to sharpen before your chain is dull as a river rock, improving safety and cut quality.
Next project: Foot pedal clutch cylinder connected to vise piston.
-4AN lines and fittings are used for race car brakes. Pretty common and relatively cheap for DIY projects.
Thanks for another great video!
And an hour of chain sharpening with GAS GAS GAS song. With inserts of Tony pressing the pedal and SPEEED effects.
Tony I'm always excited to see you work on something. The father figure I never had.
Take it easy
Hey, as long as he is keeping up on the child support payments, it's all good... right?
This old Tony is my new favourite 3D printing channel. This has increased my engagement by at least 27%
I have been doing a lot of cutting lately so looked at several videos. I think yours might be the best explanation I’ve seen. And Tony-ism are always great.
Hey, Tony! Great vid, as usual! 2 tips from a long-time hand filer and 620 grinder user....
1. Change the chain pawl to the tall one included. Works much better than the shallow one. No need to spring load...
2. Ditch the included pink wheels and replace them with CBN wheels. You will be thankful you did!
All the best from South Africa
Mike
Was going to make the CBN wheel suggestion myself! Dressing and messing with those pink wheels lasted me through 2 1/2 pink wheels before I went the CBN route. Consistent and less "mess"!
Great video Tony. Im a dremel chain saw sharpening guy. The battery operated dremel can also come out in the field with me, so its a lot more versatile. I thought you might take that sharpener and try to adapt it to sharpen your mills.
the dremel is the way to go
It becomes painfully obvious to me when I have to touch up a full toothed 36 inch bar and then a full 30, then a full 24. Under 15 minutes easy. This is the present and the future. Dont have to take the chain off.
USe diamond barrel bits. Diamond doesn't get smaller like stone and stone is too aggressive.
30 or more years ago when I got my first chain saw I thought there had to be a better way than filing.
I didn't know Dremel existed but I did own a pneumatic die grinder and assorted diamond burs and one round diamond file.
Sharpening blades became a pleasure, as long as I was in reach of my airline.
"Live, Learn, Forget, Learn Again" wise words that should be on a T-Shirt
Just sat through 29.52 minutes of a chain saw video and I have absolutely no intention of ever owning one or even borrowing one. But then again, it is TOT!!
Even though I haven't touched a chainsaw in twenty years, I really enjoyed this video.
And the after/after comparison convinced me that I need an EDC chainsaw.
I used to sell Chain Saws, and this video its a really good way to teach someone new to it for sure... Thanks Tony (please, next time you're on the market for one, check out the Echo brand... it is made in Japan) ;D
I am absolutely chain grinder curious, and I’m very happy to see this kind of video from a RUclipsr who has the same kind of humor as I do.
I need to consider chain grinding as I have 10+ 6 ft logs of California coastal oak to mill into boards, and my new ripping chain is already showing some signs of wear. A lot of filing is fine, but can also be tiring when you are already breaking your back lugging around 1000 pounds of logs.
So I’m seeing the potential of a Oregon chain grinder in my future, and possibly a tormek as well… any day now.
Maybe you could build an override valve on the hydraulic clamping to allow you to adjust the position of the chain.
Thanks for the video!
or have it clock the next tooth in like a revolver every time you fully lift the handle.
That occurred to me too, seemed an obvious and simple fix. A tee and a toggle piston, bosh/done.
I was told by a Oregon guy years ago that the burrs left by filling actually help ! I used to file from the outside in ( side with the edge I'm trying to sharpen) so there wouldn't be a burr ! Once I filed from the inside out and didn't worry about the burr it did cut better For What it's worth. Thanks 👍 enjoyed your video
That’s life, Tony. We don’t get to choose the tales Tony’s hands tell, we just have to strap in and stare into the gaping maw of chaos and accept our fate.
Finally a youtuber that recognizes the hardships of us metric forest lumberjacks. 😂
As usual, killer indepth analysis that comes to a point. Thanks keff
Even more petrol beaver content? We might come to think you are lumberjack.
Good to see you (or your hands)
Been watching for years, you're the best. This one had me literally laughing out loud.
Thank you for the education and humor you've brought into my life with your videos. So glad to see you back 🙂
Woohooo another chainsaw sharpening video I can't wait to share it with all my friends at the chainsaw sharpening society!
_"IIIIIII'm a Lumberjack and I'm okay...."_
That line on the top of the tooth at the correct cutting angle is also the maximum life of the tooth marker. Can't file or grind any further than that because the root of the tooth is too weak and it'll just snap off in the cut, which makes for a fun time trying to pick it out of the cut before you go at it again with a new chain.
Love your stuff.
The fastest way to sharpen a chain is with a Dremel, or similar, tool with a new cylindrical diamond bit of the correct diameter. With a little practice it's more controllable and accurate than a file, and faster, and many times faster than any other sharpening device.
_watches a Dremel head yeet off the wall and outside the garage_
@@LabGecko well, you need to be competent.
*By far the clearest Vid I've watched on Chain Sharpening. The 1st 15-20 minutes are an absolute Must See*
I had a chain grinder and loved the way it sharpened the chain crisp, sharp, and consistent. It took too long to set up and sharpen a chain, so I took it apart and now use the motor and wheel for sharpening small drills and cutting tools. A file is all you need. No grinder, no angle gage, no other gimmicks.
I'm no arborist, so how can I tell if my trees are metric?
They look at you funny if you fractionalise them.
As crazy as saying 65 hundreds of a millimeter.
There are aftermarket wheels designed for this size of machine. They say should last up to 10 times longer and give a more consistent grind for each tooth. I bought this machine and intend on looking for the wheels after Christmas.
Thanks again for another great video.
Of all the Oregon grinder presentations out there, yours is my favorite!
The hand filer from Stihl is pretty damn good. Never been real good with a file but I get REALLY good results with it.
I could never get the rakers to match up with the teeth height before, and I will ONLY use this tool now!
Yeah buddy! Seems like a lot of people ignore the rakes no matter how they sharpen. I cut a lot of softer wood and even some blades right out of the package have an overly conservative rake height for how much bite I want to take. With a 2 in 1 file, they are always right!
As always, I watch. Not as always, my girlfriend also watches. She laughs and I notice her laughter. Your style reaches beyond general interest for the topic.
You are the cool teacher that reaches the minds of the uninterested. You are the uncle all the nephews want to hang out with because he is so funny and smart.
I am patiently waiting for a shoot'n the poop. somehow not having a single topic leads you down interesting paths.
A This old Tony video.
My day can't be better. ❤
Wait, is it a chainsaw video?
It's always a good day when I can watch a This Old Tony video before I go to sleep... Thank you Tony, Good Night. 😁😴
Viewer from canada here. Thanks for shouting out to our metric trees.
27’22” gave me the giggles which turned into a belly laugh and hiccups. Hysterical! Thanks ToT.
If you think a chain saw grinder is fun, wait until you see an automatic saw blade grinder. My dad had one in his shop when I was growing up and it fascinated me. It could take massive chop saw blades and sharpened a left tooth, than a fight one, etc etc. Still can remember the sound after all these years.
I light up every time a see a this old tony video, it makes my day. Post more often bud!!! Love the content!
I got a whole four seconds in before I discovered a tool accessory I now desperately want. That little block for holding the wrench &c looks awfully handy.
Well I got my ToT chuckle 👍
“Whether if I’m grinding in the garage or in the club”
Look forward to the next one.
9/7/23;..much enjoy your channel & humor...stretching all t way through yur video. Also appreciate your sharing background of experiences, machine shop knowledge, closeup video & lighting which makes yur videos great! Stay safe (keep yur fingers away from yur super sharp saw chain) & carry on Tony!⚙️🔧😊👍🍺
I like the file jigs that take care of the sharpening and setting the depth gage in one go, like the pferd cs-x.
That was a really excellent vid as usual.
Those Stihl 2 in 1 hand sharpeners that simultaneously lower the depth gauge and sharpen are a game changer for me.
I have 4x saws and I find that the bar sharpener jig comes out only after I've put the saw into the ground.
After I use the bar jig, then the 2 in 1 hand sharpener works again.
Before I'd use the conventional hand file about 3x and the 4th time I'd use the bar jig. Now though, the bar jig only comes out after a mishap. Big time saver those sharpeners.
I hear good things about them, I might just have to pick one up!
the little pawl and the spring for the head were the wear items for the machine, along with the discs. we'd always have em on hand. would have loved to use your little device there to straighten a few wheels out over the years! LOL. But many days i'd be grinding along and all of a sudden the spring would break and the head would drop and scare the shit out of me!
RIP…..Tragic what happened.Can’t believe you’re gone.
Wow. Fantastic video. But, by far the most fascinating, interesting part was the revelation that there are metric trees and SAE trees.I did not know that. Furthermore. I went out Into the woods behind my house and used my SAE/ metric caliper, and verified that this is true. Changed my life! Thanks. The very thorough and detailed. Instructions on sharpening saw chains was a mega bonus!!
I love "Old Tony's" channel -- always a great pleasure with each video.
Greetings from Münster in Germany.
"They do say, 'What doesn't kill you makes you stronger.' But no one ever seems to mention how it chips away at your sanity." I'm going to use that.
I enjoy these crossover videos. I know a bit about landscaping, so these pruning, grafting, and chainsaw videos are interesting to me. I learn a lot and some of it is even useful knowledge.
The nice thing about cutting down metric trees is how neatly they snap together.
i can't believe i can't get enough of This Old Tanya
Some real good chips at the 25:40 mark.
Another wonderful video Tony, Thank you!
I have used an angle grinder with a diamond blade for tile on chainsaws before and it worked great.
Live, learn, forget and learn again!! Wise words.. If I can remember them.
been a lumberjack for 65 years, i never even bother sharpening the blade on my chainsaw - i just run it in reverse and give the chain it a nice buff in some gravel, followed by a sand polish.
I cut mostly hard, dead oak, and I agree with you: a little more hook seems to work better. I like to think it leaves more gullet to clear chips with, but who am I to know? Typically I'll test a new grind style for about thirty seconds, drop my bar in a moment of weakness and dig an accidental trench through a hunk of sandstone, and go back and try some other mostly random grind.
I've burned through a fair amount of chain, but it wasn't until this video that I noticed that, at least on your chain, not only does the top plate have a helpful angle suggestion engraved across it, but the side plate also has a marking suggesting a gullet geometry. And on yours, the suggestion was deeper than you got, either with the grinder or with the hand file. Gonna need to try that, when firewood season returns.
FYI some guys mod the motor so it can change rotation direction at the flip of a switch. That way it runs forward for the right cutter and backwards for the left cutter. The stock always-forward motor leaves a burr on one side of the chain but not the other. I haven't bothered.
Excellent video on something I have to do now and again, without really knowing what I'm doing!
Holy crap, that lathe shot will give me at least ten nightmares!
I don't have a chainsaw or have ever used one, for some reason this was mesmerising to watch.
Sharp chain makes sawing more fun = you use it more = you file it more = going through more chains.
I always learn something from your videos.
"Round files are round" I'm learning so much here!
I'm glad you mentioned bicycle blades
That was actually very useful. I certainly don't need a grinder, but my pole saw definitely needs sharpening, and I think I can handle a file pretty well.
For sharpening 'out in the wild' you can modify a vice to fit on your tow-bar or if you are using a trailer to gather wood, weld it to one of the pull braces of the trailer.
Good stuff, thanks for the video Tony.
Okay, you had me at the "after" vs. "after" comparison 😂
I find the thin wheels,properly rounded,will sharpen any size tooth.
That's how I did it at Sears Repair Shop in another century...
watching this again, I find it interesting, like hmmm, that anyone would have a preference, or favorite chain saw cuter tooth shape. That is something has never entered my mind in my entire life. TOT is in a different league!
Great video as always. No more than I sharpen my chains, I will stick to using the attachment on my Dremel grinder,
Best channel ever. I always learn a lot watching your videos! ❤
Thank you for adding "EDC chainsaw" to my vocabulary. (The term fits even better for the cheap aliexpress pruner knockoff versions...)
Thanks for stopping by, there's plenty to cut here in Oregon.
I'm old enough to remember when this was an all filing all the time channel.
28:15 3: Yes, you finish sharpening faster and can use the chain sooner, therefore going through it faster
The branch tickler might be a good candidate for a DIY chain mortiser... I'll keep an eye out for one.
I always love your money shot of the chips Tony!
Can confirm: it's nice here. And thanks for the reminder to sharpen my chain saw saw chains.
the point of sliding the base in and out is to center the chain under the grinding wheel.
the third angle adjustment is rotating the chain so that it’s no longer 90deg to base.
I had NO clue how fast a chain dulls out. My buddy who’s a very experienced with harvesting wood (been doing it for like 60 years) told me “get extra chains and a file”. I thought he meant to have them as extras just in case. So naturally I never got spare chains. We had our first outing last week and sure enough, we barely made it through a truck bed of wood.
😅 I'm just glad to see you this old Tony video started missing your voice my friend
One thing you didn't mention (and first time I heard it was only a few weeks ago) if the cutters are not the same height the saw will cut curves instead of straight. Seems it's very common as most weekend warriors like me don't use chain saw very often and have only seen the 'stock' type of sharpening, get the angles close either side. Putting a straight edge along top of chain shows if the teeth are level. I've bought new chains when after a few sharpening's they star going left. Now I know what the problem is, I'll be taking a look at what I did wrong and hopefully fixing it
Hey mate, I've been using these grinders since I was about 8 years old, helping mum out in her small engines shop. Not sure how much you've put on for the video, but she taught me to lower the wheel while it's off, then adjust the chain up to it. When the tooth slightly hooks on the wheel as you lift it back up, you've got it taking the right amount off. Not too much, not too little. I also tend to go 30/30 for the degrees on semi-chisel chain, but that's subjective and your mileage may vary when not cutting dry Australian hardwood.
Edit: oh bugger, I don't know how I'd go using the hydraulic chain clamp. I guess I only set the cut once per chain, so loosening it up while the wheel is down wouldn't be a big deal.
Edit 2: I should just finish the video before commenting. Great video, mate!
Dad always told me to tap by hand; one turn forward, half a turn back. It's slow, but I've never broken one ...from my good quality set! 😋
2:55 nearly broke my brain. If I wasn't already clued into ToT humor I probably would have keeled over right there and then.
Amazing and helpful as always!!! Time to sharp my chain! (Saw)
Thanks Old Tony, this video was off the chain!
Laughed when you started drilling new holes after breaking a tap, too funny!!! Yes, original holes were too…
“Whether it’s here in the garage, or out at the club, I enjoy grinding.”
😂
should make a video talking about ur 3d printer setup. 3d printers is what sent me down this road of machining. i have way to many 3d printers at this point an im slowly getting machining tools. i got the little 7x14 lathe now and a wen 33013 mill so small cheap stuff but im still really happy with what ive been able to learn with them, but i still use my 3d printers more than anything an alot of printing parts to make life easier dealing with the lathe an mill tooling an even some setup blocks til i can get a nice set but would be interesting to see how u have incorporated them coming from machining side first.
Here for nigh on to 50 yrs, the most complicated I ever got about chain sharpening was keeping track of where I started on the chain.
But, I have been IN Oregon the whole time, so maybe it goes w/ the side of the mountains I'm on.
(Figure that out, & you're ahead of me)
GeoNOregon
ToT is definitely outstanding in his feild.
I saw Milwaukee's new chainsaw at a vendor demo for work last week. Looks pretty nice
I have it, it is so goated
Your RUclips micro-movies are the only ones that I watch at normal (1:1) speed.
I just used the same grinder for the first time this week. You info was spot on. I just wish you would have showed grinding the rakes !
I’ve got the 620, I went for that model because it had the auto clamp. I figured on a 12” or 15” loop, hand clamping wouldn’t be soul destroying; but that hand clamping on a 25” or 36” loop would be. As you say, setting up the length of grind, is a trial & error sequence due to the auto clamping. I think it takes me longer to setup that one parameter, than it does to setup all the other angles combined. If I had the same decision to make again, I’d buy the 520.
If I used just one brand and all my chain was set at the same angles, the 620 would be worth it. Buy the chains are different and I occasionally sharpen chains for friends, (who can blunt a chain but are incapable of sharpening a chain).
My advice, if you only ever run two chains at a time, save the money and continue hand filing. I do 95% if my sharpening by file, only resorting to the grinder, if I’ve got several mashed chains to sharpen at once. Then I do all the .325s at once, then all the 3/8s, then any pico chain, each chain requires a different wheel. I once tried taking down the depth gauges with the grinder, figuring they’d be a uniform setting. But never again, there’s just too much inconsistency in the auto clamping and it’s much too easy, to remove far too much material. So grind the teeth/cutters but take down the depth gauges with a file.
Great review - thank you.