Yeah, kind of like Comedy Central Roast where the roastee and roasters all agree to be roasted. Roasting people outside of your gigs or comedy circle just seems unecessarily cruel and mean-spirited.
yes that would be called “punching down” which most people don’t enjoy Like no one would like if you tore a 99yo special needs grandmother apart, because she isn’t shooting anything back.
A lot of people think they're being funny when they're just being mean. As if they haven't developed past grade school humor and expect people to still laugh because they want to be in the "in group" instead of laughing at something that's actually funny. Comedians know that it HAS to be funny. Funny first, mean second.
Are there not also people who are too sensitive and take anything said to them, not just by a comedian, to heart? Some people need to learn to identify a joke vs a comment said with ill intent.
@@TheMr02drop yeah a lot of times people make 'jokes' just to scan where your boundries lie. If you are around a lot off perverts, be sure they will test out the waters with some disgusting comments first and call them jokes, same with racists, cruel people ect: are you one off us, can we easily victimise you, will you run and tell ect
@@MyNameIsRow01 There are lots of people who get mad at people like Dave Chappelle. He is a very good comedian. More often it's the person who takes the joke personally and not the fault of the comedian.
I think most comedians are “mean” but the truly good ones are “mean” in a way that the audience *knows* it’s not with any malice or actual hate. There are some great ones who are just fuckin mean, like I love Lewis Black. That man does nothing but yell and talk mad shit, and it’s hilarious. At least I think so. I also personally love Mike Birbiglia, and that guy is so soft and placid. Whenever he’s “mean” it ends up just becoming self deprecating.😂 He also doesn’t even swear all that much I don’t think, and tends to talk a lot about serious life issues, in a relatable way that’s also a bit dark. He’s never outright “mean” about anyone. He might even make a joke about someone and follow it up with a “nah I’m kiddin, I love the guy… he’s actually awesome.” and negate the whole meanness. I like that style. It’s really about delivery.
Lol the only guy Mike Birbibliography was mean to was the kid that booked him a hotel room not on the first floor...leading to him having a full on breakdown, one might say his first "Goddammnnit I'm eating PRETZELS 🥨 moment"
There's "None of us are above being laughed at, we shouldn't take ourselves too seriously", and then there's "You better laugh, or I might turn on you next." The former is funny; the latter is a threat painted as comedy.
One comedian who is so unique is the late Mitch Hedberg. He was just one liners etc. He was never racist or mean and never swore. I also never saw anyone heckle him because he seemed to be universally loved.
Humor sheds a light at the truths we don't speak about and often don't want to see. Often by juxtapositioning, finding contrasts between expectation and reality or switching viewpoints and context. This can come of as mean. Done skillfully it can be eye opening.
John Mulaney is one of the few comedians I think of as NOT mean. I used to speak of him as a Bob Newhart type of comedian (the highest compliment I could give, and now the sweetest and truest compliment in the world… RIP BN. You were the nicest, truest, sweetest, kindest, funniest comedian I ever listened to and I listened to you thru [most] of your life. As somebody brilliantly said yesterday, you now make Heaven a funnier place! 🕊️😇⭐️🌙) 🥰
My sister is like this, she’s not a comedian but probably the funniest person I know. There is not a soul on earth she would spare when it comes to a joke. 😂😂😂
It works for someone like Martin Short to be mean because you can tell he doesn’t have a genuinely mean bone in his body. He wouldn’t be so beloved by everyone who knows him (including people who seem genuinely kind themselves) if he were actually mean. There is a real art to that kind of humor.
Oh, heck yeah... Jiminy Glick was the funniest mean guy characterI I have ever seen. Sooo entertaining to see how his guests handled the subtle and not so subtle jabs.
@@biegebythesea6775 Meh I guess it isn't, but I think some people lose their spark as they age and life piles on, and feel like Sona will always be Sona. It's more her personality than anything, but I do realize my tone might've sounded creepy over the internet
The best comedians take you just across mean. Retreat and keep toeing but never cross fully. Restraint is hard for comedians. The negative spaces speak, only people that study and craft it fully understand how to manipulate it. In my opinion awkward and cringe humor are cheap. Mean is cheap and easy when it’s direct. Crafting a story and point of view and expanding it to a common human trait we all laugh at. That’s art. Point a finger at yourself to join humanity in the banality of our existence and make it funny is legend.
That sounds like a description of every gathering of black people I've been to, including my family. Done competitively it's called the dozens, as in playing the dozens. It's generally meant to be friendly.
As someone who likes to make people laugh. The worst feeling is when u went too far. Usually cause of info I didn’t know till after. The trick is to not make it personal and make yourself seem more stupid the more mean it is. “Bro can’t even poop straight”. After he crashes. It’s so stupid u almost can’t get mad
When I finished the eighth grade, I was the class Valedictorian. (Stupid thing to have, I think, but whatever.) I cracked some jokes in my speech and got like 90% of the audience to laugh. The principal found the written version of my speech and read it after the graduation, then proceeded to put out an all-call (how we refer to automated calling of all parents of a class) to apologize for my words. It's kinda hilarious looking back on it, but she obviously just wasn't in on the joke I guess.
The nature of humor is that: You have to be laughing AT something. Even if "something" is existence or an object. You're still, in essence, mocking something. And being mean.
it definitely feels like an American cultural predilection. Which isn't to say other countries don't produce "mean" comedians, just that it's not such a lauded attribute that a comment like "aren't all comedians mean" would be so readily agreed about, eg see stand up by Eddie Izzard, Rowan Atkinson, Jim Carrey. blame Don Rickles 😂
nah i think Sona maybe didn’t quite fully express what she meant by that with the word “mean”. it’s a comic’s observational nature to notice, say, a character flaw, and it’s part of the comedian’s instinct to go for the joke - in fact the balance between gall and tact is part of the meta. especially if you’re hanging with other comics, then it’s like a roast competition for the sport of it. but good-natured comedy will still find some levity in that observation by re-contextualizing or offering a salve. Sona means to be a “good” comic you have to have that razor wit. Mulaney catches her drift and better reframes it with the Bargatze quote. Jokes can be “mean” - sure - but if you can’t at least appreciate the construction or cadence of the joke then you’re evaluating it by different criteria than they are entirely.
@@InformationIsTheEdge Right. Not mean as in cruel. Mean as in pushing the boundary of polite and honest with maby just a degree too much of the latter.
Good comedians don't have to resort to being mean to get laughs. They're just naturally funny without attacking their audience. I never liked Rickles or people like him because they made their living off of insults and hurtful behavior. True comedians don't have to engage in such despicable acts .
You can be mean, but punch up. If you’re mean and punch down and hurt someone, that’s not funny. Comedians subvert the power dynamic and take risks by doing so, but no one gets hurt so it’s funny. The targets of humour should be above taking offence.
I hate it when comedians get together to talk because they become more serious than a funeral director. Sure they laugh occasionally but it’s always so serious 💀
Real mean comedy is pointing out what you don't like and calling it a flaw. (Bullying.) Pretend mean comedy is pointing out someone's flaws and showing you love them for it. (Bonding.)
I can’t and won’t believe Martin Short is mean-spirited. He seems like a truly lovely man. He knows when the performance ends. Not a lot of entertainers do.
Not be mean. Comedians need to be clever. The problem is "clever" is irrespective of the feelings of others. We funny people need to be clever. And we need to share the clever thing we just created.
Cuz comedy is just the cool fun side of social swaggering and dominance. You can either take over a room by being the biggest muscles there. Being the most charismatic one there. Or being the subject matter expert. Comedy is saying the intrusive thoughts, noticing of "the other", or pointing out dicotomy or brokedness within a structure. But in a funny kinda borderline acceptable way 😂😂 This is why people with "the tisms" can be the funniest people alive. Cuz they see n deal with those three things mentioned above ALL the time, and if they get down delivery to where strangers get it quick. Thats a 40yr career of laughs right there!
DSP showing the tax folder and paper that the camera can’t pick up any writing on gives me massive two kids stacked in a trenchcoat vibes. “One alcohol, please. After all, I am a grown man.”
We’re not professional comedians but I and a small group of friends write (punch doctors) for indie directors who just want to have a bit more sass in their already written comedies. And we have been called mean at times. I personally look at it as extremely sarcastic but all for the sake of laughter. You just can’t beat funny at times. If it makes you laugh, it’s funny! It just might not make EVERYONE laugh….
It's why roasts are really only for comedians & true lovers of comedy. The goal is for the best humor to break into reality, and then break reality itself.
It's funny you say that because roasts are the only times you see non comedians presenting themselves as funny. Without the crutch of insulting people a lot of "roast" comics are usually pretty comedically impotent, such as Jeff Ross or Lisa Lampanelli. So I would argue roasts are primarily for people that enjoy comedy at it its most superficial level
That’s true, I was out walking in west LA once, saw Conan beating up a homeless man. True story
He was beating him off under that bridge
@@sludgerat666 For $10 a man? Don't let Adam Eget find out, it could have been on his turf.
that was jordan schlansky
Well it must have been funny or he wouldn’t have done it
@@RemySchrader That homeless guy had it coming.
Being a mean comedian is an art, like they have to read the room and not be cruel
Lisa Lampinelli was good like that.
John Cleese knows more about comedy than all of those people talking put together.
And he says "All humour is cruel".
@@uncletiggermclaren7592 John Cleese knows as much about comedy as Chevy Chase.
There are levels, there can be sadism or simply pointing out someone being ridiculous.
That's not art. Is common sense boy.
Mulaney giving crisp mid-century modern priest vibes
christian bale in "equilibrium"
“Crisp” that’s how you know it’s legit
Ethan Hawke in “First Reformed”
I like how you describe him as an tele evangelist and your likes are stuck exactly at 666
😂 LMAOOOO 😂
They’re certainly meanest to each other. It seems skilled comedians will take a shot if they think the other can shoot back.
Yeah, kind of like Comedy Central Roast where the roastee and roasters all agree to be roasted. Roasting people outside of your gigs or comedy circle just seems unecessarily cruel and mean-spirited.
@@binaryvoid0101 it sure can be, but I can relate to not being able to pass up a joke.
yes that would be called “punching down” which most people don’t enjoy Like no one would like if you tore a 99yo special needs grandmother apart, because she isn’t shooting anything back.
Ranked, competitive comedy, solos
Except bill burr. He’ll take shots at anyone he thinks is making an ass out of themselves, or takes a shot at him first. And he doesn’t pull punches🤣🤣
Tragedy is when I get a paper cut. Comedy is when you fall down a sewer and die. - Mel Brooks
wtf lmao
@@CrocusSealwatch blazing saddles and you will understand different times better for comedy
lmfao
Idk, something poetic about it all going to shit
Sona just described her boss 😂😂😂
I love when guests genuinely talk to Sona and Matt
Who is soma?
Mulaney seems like a good guy
@@PD-we8vfthe lady talking in the video
@@hoshkotheboyisn't mulaney famously an a hole?
Well he cheated on his wife and 2 kids with 3 other women so@@hoshkotheboy
I like how respectful he was with her
respectful? social, inclusive.
What reason did he have not to be?
@@NateS917Well, he’s a comedian, and they are MEAN.
to bad the account didn’t - attributed her quote to the men smdh
John Mulaney mentioning Nate Bargatze is wonderful
I love that this comment got flagged as a different language. "Translate to English" 😂😂😂
"They don't know I'm a comedian so it just seems like a mean speech." 😂
“They don’t know I’m mean so it just seems like a comedy speech”
A lot of people think they're being funny when they're just being mean. As if they haven't developed past grade school humor and expect people to still laugh because they want to be in the "in group" instead of laughing at something that's actually funny. Comedians know that it HAS to be funny. Funny first, mean second.
If you can be funny without being a dick, anything goes.
Are there not also people who are too sensitive and take anything said to them, not just by a comedian, to heart?
Some people need to learn to identify a joke vs a comment said with ill intent.
@@TheMr02drop if you can’t tell a joke without demeaning another human being, then you’re just a really bad comedian
@@TheMr02drop yeah a lot of times people make 'jokes' just to scan where your boundries lie. If you are around a lot off perverts, be sure they will test out the waters with some disgusting comments first and call them jokes, same with racists, cruel people ect: are you one off us, can we easily victimise you, will you run and tell ect
@@MyNameIsRow01 There are lots of people who get mad at people like Dave Chappelle. He is a very good comedian. More often it's the person who takes the joke personally and not the fault of the comedian.
I like the Nate appreciation
Nate Bargatze is amazing.
I think most comedians are “mean” but the truly good ones are “mean” in a way that the audience *knows* it’s not with any malice or actual hate. There are some great ones who are just fuckin mean, like I love Lewis Black. That man does nothing but yell and talk mad shit, and it’s hilarious. At least I think so. I also personally love Mike Birbiglia, and that guy is so soft and placid. Whenever he’s “mean” it ends up just becoming self deprecating.😂 He also doesn’t even swear all that much I don’t think, and tends to talk a lot about serious life issues, in a relatable way that’s also a bit dark. He’s never outright “mean” about anyone. He might even make a joke about someone and follow it up with a “nah I’m kiddin, I love the guy… he’s actually awesome.” and negate the whole meanness.
I like that style.
It’s really about delivery.
Lol the only guy Mike Birbibliography was mean to was the kid that booked him a hotel room not on the first floor...leading to him having a full on breakdown, one might say his first "Goddammnnit I'm eating PRETZELS 🥨 moment"
Lewis Black isn't mean. He's angry. Maybe he's mean to the people he's angry with?
There's "None of us are above being laughed at, we shouldn't take ourselves too seriously", and then there's "You better laugh, or I might turn on you next." The former is funny; the latter is a threat painted as comedy.
that second part is not a real thing
Is it me or is Mulaney looking like a cult leader in this clip?
Not everyone who wears a Nehru jacket is a cult leader, only around 60% of them
A faith Healer? Yes.
I thought he was channeling Dr. No 😂
His hair looks fake.
Its the short collared shirt
That's why self-deprecation is the best, you can be as mean as you want
Yes, I love that Bargatze quote. You have to know your audience lol.
john mulaney in full cult uniform
I'll never forget reading the quote "the heart of humor is malice." That seems to be true and really fits here.
One comedian who is so unique is the late Mitch Hedberg. He was just one liners etc. He was never racist or mean and never swore. I also never saw anyone heckle him because he seemed to be universally loved.
That Bargatze story is so good. I love when comedians shout out each other for the same bits and jokes that we all enjoy
Humor sheds a light at the truths we don't speak about and often don't want to see. Often by juxtapositioning, finding contrasts between expectation and reality or switching viewpoints and context. This can come of as mean. Done skillfully it can be eye opening.
I love when you can annoy someone or piss them off while still making them laugh its one of my favorite things in the world
Half of hanging out with comedians seems to be not minding being interrupted and the other half is laughing at everything.
Love this phase of mulaney’s life. Well done buddy. Enjoy.
John Mulaney is one of the few comedians I think of as NOT mean. I used to speak of him as a Bob Newhart type of comedian (the highest compliment I could give, and now the sweetest and truest compliment in the world… RIP BN. You were the nicest, truest, sweetest, kindest, funniest comedian I ever listened to and I listened to you thru [most] of your life. As somebody brilliantly said yesterday, you now make Heaven a funnier place! 🕊️😇⭐️🌙) 🥰
My sister is like this, she’s not a comedian but probably the funniest person I know. There is not a soul on earth she would spare when it comes to a joke. 😂😂😂
It works for someone like Martin Short to be mean because you can tell he doesn’t have a genuinely mean bone in his body. He wouldn’t be so beloved by everyone who knows him (including people who seem genuinely kind themselves) if he were actually mean. There is a real art to that kind of humor.
There was no more beloved comic than Rickles, and he was the meanest of them all.
Conan is the only comedian I can think of who is successfully funny without being mean
John Mullaney ages more and more into Rick Astley every year.
One name - Don Rickles
Thank You!
horrible man.
I'm imagining now exactly how Nate Bargadze would intonate and pause saying that and it makes it much funnier.
Oh, heck yeah... Jiminy Glick was the funniest mean guy characterI I have ever seen. Sooo entertaining to see how his guests handled the subtle and not so subtle jabs.
Martin Short's best work
@@dielaughing73 no that's clifford.
Martin Short says some of the meanest things and I die laughing every time!! 😂
God she’s beautiful
Yeah Sona’s a stunner and I suspect she always will be
stop it
@@J.Millhouse weird comment. always? why is that important?
@@biegebythesea6775 Meh I guess it isn't, but I think some people lose their spark as they age and life piles on, and feel like Sona will always be Sona. It's more her personality than anything, but I do realize my tone might've sounded creepy over the internet
They both walked out of that room and clowned tf out of her lmao
Comedy, like music, is something that the whole world mistakenly believes they are capable of doing now.
So true.
The best comedians take you just across mean. Retreat and keep toeing but never cross fully. Restraint is hard for comedians. The negative spaces speak, only people that study and craft it fully understand how to manipulate it. In my opinion awkward and cringe humor are cheap. Mean is cheap and easy when it’s direct. Crafting a story and point of view and expanding it to a common human trait we all laugh at. That’s art. Point a finger at yourself to join humanity in the banality of our existence and make it funny is legend.
Martin Short was mentioned, and I feel obligated to comment how great he is in 'Only Murders in the Building' 😂
Its amazing Conan still has that hair
I hate that i can tell how rich a person is entirely based on physical traits. Palpatine eye bags on every single one of these people.
You should add the name of the female comic who actually said the quote in your clip description…
That sounds like a description of every gathering of black people I've been to, including my family. Done competitively it's called the dozens, as in playing the dozens. It's generally meant to be friendly.
God I love this, as someone that grew up with Kinson at 6 and fox in my 20s its truer than anyone can imagine
Mulaney needs to host the Oscars!
Slow clap starts here ...
I’m sure he could if he wanted to but it’s a notoriously terrible gig.
As someone who likes to make people laugh. The worst feeling is when u went too far. Usually cause of info I didn’t know till after. The trick is to not make it personal and make yourself seem more stupid the more mean it is. “Bro can’t even poop straight”. After he crashes. It’s so stupid u almost can’t get mad
Sona is my very favorite!
Why? Overpaid lazy bum.
When I finished the eighth grade, I was the class Valedictorian. (Stupid thing to have, I think, but whatever.) I cracked some jokes in my speech and got like 90% of the audience to laugh. The principal found the written version of my speech and read it after the graduation, then proceeded to put out an all-call (how we refer to automated calling of all parents of a class) to apologize for my words. It's kinda hilarious looking back on it, but she obviously just wasn't in on the joke I guess.
My two favorite people. Awesome
Conan: I was going to say…
The room: 🗣️💅🙃
I think comedians will say what we are all thinking, but dare not say out loud. That's why we applaud them!
The legendary table at the comedy cellar was the personification of mean.
The nature of humor is that: You have to be laughing AT something. Even if "something" is existence or an object.
You're still, in essence, mocking something. And being mean.
it definitely feels like an American cultural predilection. Which isn't to say other countries don't produce "mean" comedians, just that it's not such a lauded attribute that a comment like "aren't all comedians mean" would be so readily agreed about, eg see stand up by Eddie Izzard, Rowan Atkinson, Jim Carrey.
blame Don Rickles 😂
Its hilarious to me that John references Nate B.’s netflix special
Yeah I run into this as someone who fucks around a lot, sometimes it's hard to bite my tongue.
its totally true. ive been called mean many times, but also the nicest person by different people in the same place
Grian thought kid Pikachu was a vape lmao
“Isn’t everyone mean” is just an excuse mean people use to live with themselves.
nah i think Sona maybe didn’t quite fully express what she meant by that with the word “mean”. it’s a comic’s observational nature to notice, say, a character flaw, and it’s part of the comedian’s instinct to go for the joke - in fact the balance between gall and tact is part of the meta. especially if you’re hanging with other comics, then it’s like a roast competition for the sport of it. but good-natured comedy will still find some levity in that observation by re-contextualizing or offering a salve. Sona means to be a “good” comic you have to have that razor wit. Mulaney catches her drift and better reframes it with the Bargatze quote. Jokes can be “mean” - sure - but if you can’t at least appreciate the construction or cadence of the joke then you’re evaluating it by different criteria than they are entirely.
This is very American stand up tho. Here in the Netherlands our "cabaret" is much more Political and musical than American stand-up.
Humour & wittiness is a type of aggression (if I’m remember right from Sociology A-Level 😂)
If you want to see rhe best expression of what "mean" means here, go watch Jimini Glick interviews. They are Martin Short at his satirical best.
Not mean for a second. Fantastic character. As long as the jokes are on the public persona, mean has little with it to do
@@natantataii8195Right. Not mean as in cruel. Mean as in pushing the boundary of polite and honest with maby just a degree too much of the latter.
@@natantataii8195Right. Not mean as in cruel. Mean as in pushing the boundary of polite and honest with maby just a degree too much of the latter.
@@InformationIsTheEdge Right. Not mean as in cruel. Mean as in pushing the boundary of polite and honest with maby just a degree too much of the latter.
@@PressuredSpeechBand Could not have stated that better myself!
Good comedians don't have to resort to being mean to get laughs. They're just naturally funny without attacking their audience. I never liked Rickles or people like him because they made their living off of insults and hurtful behavior. True comedians don't have to engage in such despicable acts .
I know it would never happen, but I'd love to see a pod with Tosh and John Mulaney
And thats the difference between a comdian and your buddy whos a funny guy
Comedians: mean with consent
Politicians: mean regardless 🍇
God I love Nate
You can be mean, but punch up. If you’re mean and punch down and hurt someone, that’s not funny. Comedians subvert the power dynamic and take risks by doing so, but no one gets hurt so it’s funny. The targets of humour should be above taking offence.
I hate it when comedians get together to talk because they become more serious than a funeral director. Sure they laugh occasionally but it’s always so serious 💀
Real mean comedy is pointing out what you don't like and calling it a flaw. (Bullying.)
Pretend mean comedy is pointing out someone's flaws and showing you love them for it. (Bonding.)
Sona is a better sidekick than Andy. There I said it.
Letting comedians talk about what they do was a mistake
Conan was real quiet.
This is from Conan Needs A Friend podcast. Very funny.
There is no way Mitch Hedberg was a mean person. I rest my case your honor.
Someone said they saw Conan beat up a homeless man 😭😭😭
Mean meaning, you know what I mean? In the same sentence is comedic af
Reminds me of the Queen of Mean, Lisa Lampanelli!
Lisa Lump-of-jelly
I can’t and won’t believe Martin Short is mean-spirited. He seems like a truly lovely man. He knows when the performance ends. Not a lot of entertainers do.
Ayyyy Nate getting flowers 💐
Martin Short is a very dark person. Hes NEVER just joking.
John Mulaney mentioning Nate Bargatze gave me the biggest fucking whiplash holy CRAP. My two gods know each other 😂
Why? Or are you talking 💩?
Jiminy Glick is my all time favorite
As long as the joke is still punching up, or at least across.
Conan’s “How would you describe it?” Is what sets him apart in a lot of ways
Uhm.. Mulaney said that
Not be mean. Comedians need to be clever. The problem is "clever" is irrespective of the feelings of others.
We funny people need to be clever. And we need to share the clever thing we just created.
Cuz comedy is just the cool fun side of social swaggering and dominance. You can either take over a room by being the biggest muscles there. Being the most charismatic one there. Or being the subject matter expert.
Comedy is saying the intrusive thoughts, noticing of "the other", or pointing out dicotomy or brokedness within a structure. But in a funny kinda borderline acceptable way 😂😂
This is why people with "the tisms" can be the funniest people alive. Cuz they see n deal with those three things mentioned above ALL the time, and if they get down delivery to where strangers get it quick. Thats a 40yr career of laughs right there!
"gossipy" 😂😂
Some are mean with tact...some are mean with malice.
kinda crazy to attribute the quote to Mulaney when it was said by Sona ...
FOR REAL 🤦🏻♀️
DSP showing the tax folder and paper that the camera can’t pick up any writing on gives me massive two kids stacked in a trenchcoat vibes. “One alcohol, please. After all, I am a grown man.”
We’re not professional comedians but I and a small group of friends write (punch doctors) for indie directors who just want to have a bit more sass in their already written comedies. And we have been called mean at times. I personally look at it as extremely sarcastic but all for the sake of laughter. You just can’t beat funny at times. If it makes you laugh, it’s funny! It just might not make EVERYONE laugh….
Jason Pargin would agree 😂
Great shout out for Nate Bargatze!
Love Nate
It's why roasts are really only for comedians & true lovers of comedy. The goal is for the best humor to break into reality, and then break reality itself.
It's funny you say that because roasts are the only times you see non comedians presenting themselves as funny. Without the crutch of insulting people a lot of "roast" comics are usually pretty comedically impotent, such as Jeff Ross or Lisa Lampanelli. So I would argue roasts are primarily for people that enjoy comedy at it its most superficial level
Funny before feelings. My whole families motto. We have to be reminded to be nice around strangers.
“Opportunistically rude” is how I would put it. It isn’t mean-spirited, but it’s not how you would expect someone to act in other environments.