Dragon Ball Multiverse's Controversial Character
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Bra from Dragon Ball Multiverse is a character I wanted to talk about for a really long time and I’m grateful to finally be able to for this video. As of late I wanted to finish some smaller video ideas I had brewing in my head, so now that I’ve finished this little gauntlet of mine I can move on to the bigger videos I want to make.
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Edit: I love y’all discourse those that agree and disagree with my takes. I’m not gonna sit down to read every single one but I respect y’all opinions and I’m glad I could start a discourse with some of y’all.
They Character Assassinated Vegito💀
I get what they tried to do with him and don't mind it much, but side lining him so early into the story was such a low blow, not to mention that of the mods act like it's not valid critism
For me it is interesting, it is the consequence of a lasting and powerful fusion
@Mugen2024 yeah I was going to say the same thing
@Mugen2024 THANK YOU. To most people, Vegito is more of a temporary persona. However if ur gonna enact this character for the rest of ur life, ofc ur the mystique of that character ur trying to potray isn't going to be up all the time.
Course who says we can't get the negative sides of Vegito either
It was pretty much Vegito with the negative side of Vegeta
I gotta agree with you, I feel like vegito characterized in multiverse could've been better, much more arrogant n more then vegeta haha.
I don't like how vegito is characterized at all in multiverse.
I feel like he is disrespected and him being genuinely angry at bra during her rampage makes sense. However the writers turned around the tides and make him somehow seen as the bad guy.
Really really weak writing
He raised her.
Imagine people getting mad at you for trying to raise a monster into a good person
@@TahjPollockits fr so weird that Bra did a Majin Vegeta and Vegito, who is literally 50% composed of someone who literally went through the exact same thing, decided that to stop her he needed to knock some sense into her, only for everyone else to go "hey dude don't hit your daughter you're kind of a dick" is odd. Like Vegito would remember giving into malice like that right? He more than anyone would understand why her giving into her malice for power is one of the worst things you can do
@@Subpar1O1 Worst part of it all is that We're SHOWN Vegito practically tried his best with her and ONLY threatened her after she blew up a planet and HER BROTHER and basically laughed it off, and people try to play it off as Vegito being a bad father
@@TahjPollockyea cause shes a little kid with insane power that clouds her mind. I understand vegito is in the right about feeling that bra is a monster but we can't place all the blame on bra. vegito being snarky and cocky and having that underlying fear of eventually getting surpassed is the reason she turns out this way. Instead of having patience and nurturing his daughter he chooses to push her away and tells her constantly that she's only alive cause he lets her be and that one day he'll kill her. It's actually really good writing if you look deeper into it. It's masked behind the fact that bra is too strong for her own good but if you read between the lines you see just how insecure vegito is about being the strongest cause even when it isn't about bra, you see it in other scene where vegito feels like he has to be the center of attention or strongest in the room to feel validated,bra learns that way of thinking from him.
Also there is the fact they retconned what actually happened in order to give Bra more sympathy. Babidi didn't snatch her up in her sleep, the original story the comic is drawn too has him promise her power and she willingly agrees, but unlike Vegeta she completely surrendered to his control. Vegito's reaction is also pretty justified, you gut your own family members just to prove a point after years of her being just as volatile a monster as any of their enemies. By all accounts she should be put down. Multiverse making Vegito a massive asshole is the overall weirder thing since they're not consistent with it at all.
wouldn't be surprised if ssj4 goku somehow came out from another universe and just chops her in two
@@EnderGoku9001 I doubt he would just "do that"
Bra also can't just hide behind the excuse of the Majin Seal made me do it since it's not Mind Control but Malice Control. So an example would be that she already had a desire to kill Gohan that the seal simply dug out rather than implanted. One of the U19 troopers was also a target simply for having unspoken feelings for another so even a positive thing like that can be a vulnerability if any desire is distorted enough.
Another major problem in the aftermath about this whole thing is that it has now rendered the character redundant as of now. From what I hear, Salagir needs to always make sure the Tournament proceeds but this particular event I think would have caused it's cancellation if we are being realistic. On a rewrite if I had to have the Majin Riot be a thing, I would have finished the actual event and then do this while it no longer restrains the plot itself.
I've also found another fan comic of this where Gohan, Videl and Piccolo were not revived leading to U16 being disqualified and Vegito ended up disowning Bra as a result of her carnage. Might be more interesting since it's first whole chapter is done.
Yeah you're right Babidi's magic technically isn't a mind control thing. It just digs up any existing malice in one's heart and brings it to the forefront and amplifies it. In other words she only fell to it because she had those desires to begin with.
@@JohnnyTightlips2007 what where is this fan comic? I got to read this
@@lightingthief4482 TheBritWriter on Deviantat.
How come all my replies are getting deleted?
@@lightingthief4482 I think blackscape covered but good luck finding it dudes bad at organizing his videos
I get what they're trying to do, but canon completely kills any chance of redemption Bra could have.
Vegeta, when he turned into a monster, was _so_ powerful Babidi's control, even at the start was tenuous at best, and then he just broke it completely by powering up to the very limit. Bra shouldn't have a problem with that, given her massive power is probably bigger than Vegeta's.
Also, for Babidi to control someone's heart, that person has to be _vile._ I'm not talking just bitterness in general, I'm talking someone who has done heinous things in the past.
Vegeta met the requirements because he was literally a space viking who wiped dozens of innocents with a callous grin.
I honestly have no fucking clue what they were even doing with this arc, except just trying to make Bra cool and edgy.
Isn’t it HEAVILY implied that Bra has a split personality? She goes SS2 and suddenly is a totally different person with no empathy or attachment to her friends. I think Babidi gave her dark side the power to totally take her over rather than actually mind controlling Bra herself.
@@saucevc8353 That is absolutely awful writing if true
@@saucevc8353 So its like a more like ssj2 kid gohan but where they lost all sense of themselves as well and went on a saiyan rampage
@@saucevc8353 Super Saiyan 2 doesn't create a split personality. Gohan was still Gohan after turning Super Saiyan 2. Sure, it heightens a Saiyan's desire for battle, mostly due to the anger similar to how it happened to Goku as he turned Super Saiyan, but it doesn't actually turn someone into a completely different person, otherwise he wouldn't have mourned Goku the way he did, and through the rest of the fight, was completely normal.
Like, you don't see Gohan suddenly going on a fucking killing spree that extends to his friends, and turns into complete evil like Vegeta.
Hell, when one of the Cell Jr. threatened to kill Krillin, Gohan stopped, even while being callous. He only tried to kill both him and the Cell Jr. when Krillin himself told him to just do it.
Vegetto was done dirty.
Bra child design looks STRAIGHT FIRE.
The whole thing is a hot mess. Bra being strong make sense to some degree because of her being a offspring of a fusion(not really) but everything else is a giant no. Her getting off with what is essentially a slap to the hand for digging in a cookie jar is completely unacceptable. She WILLING allowed herself to be controlled for power. She murk multiple people and was willing to even kill off her own family so she is 100% the definition of an evil character.
And the whole thing with Vegito is a giant awful attempt at damage control due to the sheer backlash that manga had during that run( i was there with each page release and the comments were ruthless) Like come on Vegito would NOT be like that. Plus, his reaction to the situation is somewhat valid.
She should be punished for her actions....then again the manga lost like 50% of their fans so i guess that's enough
I’m ngl I haven’t read the manga since that whole fiasco so yeah you might not be lying with the loss of viewers lmao
@adreeeandanothere510 remember that the whole arc lasted for about a year, so imagine people getting increasingly angry over that period just to reach that awful end. It's no surprise that many just straight up left it alone. It is still relevant to some degree, of course, but nowhere near its prime.
Been trying to respond to your request about the other comic on Deviantart written by TheBritWriter but my other attempts have failed miserably.
@@lightingthief4482 I’m still racking my brain on why the writers wrote the end of the arc like that. Bra was essentially their own OC in terms of personality and Abilities. The focus they gave her implied they actually liked the character, and the work they put into her made it seem like she was to be ranked #1 as a fan favorite.
So what happened? Were there new writers helping with the script. Did they take the DBZ abridged joke of dragon balls making death mean nothing too literal.
DB Multiverse is an interesting concept held back by cringe writing.
This sums up a large part of my feelings on it.
Its a fan manga. Cringe is expected.
@@Web720 true.
It honestly wasn't really cringe (other than maybe the Gast vs Piccolo fight) until the story suddenly decided that Bra should take no responsibility for her actions because a wizard forced her to do it. The dialogue between Raichi and U13 Vegeta for example has some of the best writing in any fanwork I've seen for DB/DBZ.
@@Web720true but they still can do better
Disregarding the very poor conclusion to the Majin Bra arc entirely the main thing that made me drop Multiverse was Vegito’s character. Like honestly I don’t get it, they turned him into a platinum rank, tier-5 tweaker for no reason 😂 a whole entire spaz that crashes out when things don’t go his way, it’s just crazy. Threatening your clearly unstable and unhinged daughter with death? Neglecting her too? Just being a massive ass in general? Who is this guy?!?! This is Saiyan saga Vegeta level. Not my Vegito at ALL!
I’ve heard that whole Vegeta not giving up his pride with the speech and it negatively impacting Vegito but I personally don’t see it because 1. Vegeta was most definitely already mulling on stuff like this in hell. 2. Vegito is a person and has both their memories so he should be able to work through that development himself, especially since half of him is one of the most humble and down to earth people around. It is an interesting path to take but I didn’t like how it was handled at all, half the time it just feels like they hate Vegito. Not to mention him just being irritating the majority of his screentime as well. Nice video too, some Bra slander is appreciated since the story seems dead set on absolving her when’s she’s done basically nothing to deserve it.
I find it weird that the ppl from universe 19 didn’t get mad at Bra for killing their comrades. Goku also should’ve been mad at Bra because she literally killed his son. Pan is the only one that actually speaks which makes sense because Bra killed her father. Also universe 18 Bra seemed way too comfortable after the majin situation. She said that Bra can control herself now but she is not a fighter. Gotenks acts completely out of character because he never acted like that in the whole story. Gast Carcolh has no right to call the situation closed because he doesn’t know what happened in universe 16.
Tbh I don't think it was 'his' Gohan that died, but yeah that was a mess.
@@Naruku2121He got angry at Zamasu for killing an alternate timeline version of Chi Chi and Goten.
Of course, he'd get mad at bra for killing an alternate universe version of gohan.
The Vegeta that fused with Goku to become this version of Vegeto hadn't let go of his pride and acknowledged Goku as "Number 1" or redeemed himself
that all happens in the Kid Buu fight after they de-fuse, which this Vegeto never does - and Goku's experience with training Gohan would have been virtually the opposite of what Bra needed, Goku was trying to get Gohan to release his anger in the first place so he could tap into his power - he actually didn't teach him to control it, something that really bites him in the ass during the Cell Games (Gohan tormenting Cell and drawing out the fight - leading to Goku's death)
I think killing yourself isn't as easy as you might think - killing the others is pretty nuts (especially loved ones), but if you understand it in the context of growing up knowing you have the "status quo balls", it's like an internal excuse to "cut loose" - but I think a literal manifestation of trying to convince yourself that you are justified is really interesting
But I can acknowledge that I have to do a bit of mental legwork to arrive at that conclusion - I think your point is a good one, there could very easily be a parallel universe where she just killed her counterpart instantly.
I also don't love Vegeto's characterisation at times - I feel like he ought to be a little more carefree, sometimes it's like he's 85% Vegeta and 15% Goku - he's also recently becoming a bit of a "Worf" character, gets defeated or overcome by some means every few chapters to show how threatening other characters are to his detriment.
Bra was controversial long before the whole Majin Revolt ark honestly, just by virtue of being an arrogant female character that was stronger than the main cast in a medium that is consumed by a good amount of maladjusted men - and to be fair some of the criticisms were legitimately compelling like your own, either way though the writers really gave themselves a tough job that I think would have had to be immaculately written to be satisfying to most.
I love the comic and have been following it for almost it's entire run though - DBZ was hardly without flaws either - and I think Multiverse gets at least 2 things right for every 1 thing that might miss the mark, and that's pretty dang decent if you ask me.
I appreciate this comment. It’s not too often I get in depth ones like this and I love the breakdown you offer. I never thought to look at the controversy surrounding her character because of her strength/ gender pairing because I didn’t think it was going to be a problem, some people are weird. I remember reading the Majin Revolt and people were fighting hard in the comments, and that’s what I remember most. Again thank you for the comment it’s a wonderful one.
I would say I liked Vegito’s characterization because of his constant protecting of the universe. As a result of being the strongest and having that responsibility that would bring out the more impatient and stubborn side of him that just wants Bra to cut it out. Essentially in the very classic saiyan way, he wants to control her anger by getting over it and focus on the task, effectively trying to ignore the problem and solve it at the same time, not affording her the time to learn and grow or even reflect.
There's a theory that Vegito will be the final villain or antagonist, BUT I'd love it if Goku and Vegeta from Uni 18 heat Vegito and weakened him to a point where someone could use the Dragon Balls to unfused him or destory the potara, and the punishment was that he was no longer the stronger warrior in his universe, and both the Goku and Vegeta post Buu have to go through some redemption and fix how they treated their daughter and try and fix what occurred with their families too.
Also people lashing out, going for bystanders until they get to the loved ones they have grievances with, then immediately having a "oh... fuck" moment is pretty realistic. Haven't seen it with downright murder yet, but the pattern is there. Bra not going for her alternative version's throat while having her "oh fuck" moment is pretty realistic, and honestly... Any other character who's just a stranger to her could survive that encounter too. At least until Babidi reasserted his control.
I guess the average person not having experience with outburst of anger is a good thing, tho.
the authors kinda shot themselves in the foot by introducing a gag character literally called "Mary Su" tbh and ppl could easily draw parallels between the joke character and say Son Bra is that character but unironically, even if its not entirely true its the first impression a reader might have
At least Vegeta took responsibility for becoming a majin. I’m sorry, but Bra has always been an uninteresting character in my eyes.
I just think she's bitchy.
How to turn the most coolest character ever into most shittiest character ever.
I could not agree with you more. When they handed Bra's actions a 'Get Out Of HFIL Free' card (except for Pan), I stopped reading and have never gone back. I mean, they had her brag on the pages themselves that she was not brainwashed - she was 'freed'. Even before this, they turned both sets of Gotenks into her doormats and turned a practical dislike of SSJ3 into a mantra - to the point anyone who uses SSJ3 auto-loses. Damn shame, because otherwise, I enjoyed this take immensely. All fanfic authors have opinions - in my ATLA, I redeemed Mai's parents but took Toph's to task - but for DBM, they chose the wrong hills to fall on.
Pan-16: I'm glad you lived, Bra-San.
Son-Bra: Hey! What happened to Onee-Chan?
Pan-16: Yeah, that's what I was wondering.
Just wanted to add - looking back, I recall other flaws - the SSJ3 hate mantra was off-putting, but livable - it just made the stories predictable when SSJ3 was used. The 'villains win out' alt-scenarios weren't always the most creative - spam a technique and they win, exceptions being Frieza and Cell, which fit their arcs. I wonder if the super-supreme dark mysterious dude story ever panned out. But all those other flaws were the kinds of things you accept when reading a fanfic.
But in the case of the Majin Rebellion's ending, the author twisted the story to make his original, if canon-possible character correct and blameless, and that is a major DUDE NO! I once thought enough of this series that I did a one-off short 'Elfen Lied Multiverse' (Yes, I'm an EL fan, I know many are not, so no comments needed). But now? I can't even bring myself to watch a You Tube synopsis of DBM.
I love the concept of a spoiled brat becoming extremely powerful only to be defeated or humbled entirely. (Kinda like Hal/Titan from Megamind) because it briefly shows who they really are underneath. Vegito never taught Bra humility, and since she was born from the strongest mortal in her universe at the time she would of course be a cocky prideful asshole, my issues lie with how far they take her getting angry or her killing people than not getting a proper punishment or consciousness FOR LITERALLY KILLING MULTIPLE MEMBERS OF HER FAMILY.
They could've done something like instead of having Bra just murder everyone she probably willingly lets Babidi control her the same way Vegeta did in the Buu Saga so that she can stand up to her dad. And they have a fight as they call eachother out for their flaws with Vegito becoming a better character and Bra becoming less of a prick
Salagir completely fumbled with justifying Bra’s fall, and tried to make it seem like it was all Vegito’s fault, their backstory proves it’s not the case. It’s like Salagir forgot that Vegito actually did preach control, and even took Bra on his space copping duties to learn about protecting the universe.
The fact that she allowed herself to fall to majinization, when the likes of Vegeta and Cell can break it just shows how weak minded of a character she is.
“You thought I did it willingly? How low is your opinion of me..”
Uh, actually, Vegito assumed you were perfectly fine and would’ve handled Babidi only to discover the slaughter you did, including to your own brother (Vegito’s son)
She only breaks out after being called “passive” which I still don’t know wtf that means
Then every character except for Pan turns on Vegito for being rightly furious with Bra, and Gotenks starts spouting nonsense drivel.
Horrible horrible writing bro
Not to mention, you can blame Vegito all you want for being a bad father (don’t really think he was)
But at the end of the day, Bra’s actions are HER OWN. SHE killed her own brother in cold blood with a smile on her face. SHE is responsible for HERSELF.
I agree with you for the most part. Bra should be held accountable for her actions. She really needed more time to develop and the weak-minded critique is something I'm divided on. On the one hand, that's her character flaw which is supposed to be fueled by her inferiority complex that she's had since childhood. On the other, this weak-mindedness and inferiority complex is so poorly handled. The whole Vegito judgment party nearly made me drop the story in its entirety, it's that bad to me.
I'm not gonna say Vegito is the best father because I really don't think he's the best, I understand the point of making Vegito his own character, however, I believe both characters were handled poorly. I can't see Vegito dismissing his child until he's helped her control her explosive power.
I also do not see Bra's character and years of emotional issues being resolved after one big, albeit traumatic, event and a conversation that doesn't address her issues but just acts like they are resolved.
The whole "you're passive" thing most likely comes from a mistranslation since the authors are French and don't speak English as their first language.
What was most likely meant to be said instead was something like "you're submissive" as in despite being one of the strongest characters in that all of the universes alone, she's still a slave to her Saiyan nature and only physically strong, not mentally.
I’ve always been under the impression that Bra has split personality disorder. Her personality literally does a full 180 when she’s in SS2, and it would explain why she didn’t break Babidi’s control. It would also make sparing her a lot more reasonable because you can’t hold the good personality responsible for the actions of the bad personality.
@@maliksyv6056 isn’t it a superiority complex and not inferiority? What does she have to feel inferior about? She’s already surpassed everyone in her universe except for her father, a literal fusion
i think the alternate bra getting through makes sense, who else can judge you most but yourself, how often do you think of your life and other paths you could have taken, wondered what might have been if you did X instead of Y, and then one of those other paths actually comes forward to say you messed up. itd get through.
i think the language of the speech itself was a bit clunky though
Yeah the alternate version getting through was good said that in the vid.
It's not that the concept doesn't work, it's that the writing team didn't follow the logic of the rules they set themselves.
Despite the main series making it clear that Babidis magic can only take you over if you are truly evil, they decided to change it to "Oh you have a little evil? Complete mind control"
Bra showed no signs of weakness, regret or compassion at any point. Then her alternate version who she could have easily murdered calls her weak, it breaks her entire mind control which according to their own rules, should not be possible.
They specifically say Vegeta could break through because he wanted to be given power, but because Bra didn't she should not have been able to. So either she actually is evil and the entire scene defending her is pointless or the writers are so focused on making Vegito the bad guy and Bra the victim that they don't even realize how many writing mistakes and illogical statements they are making just to get to the payoff.
In a mid-2021 Twitch live, Salagir, DBM's author was asked: "Is Bra depicted the way she is because you are feminist"
His answer was: "If you are not feminist, you are an as*hole"
All of a sudden, Bra's characterization throughout the story makes sense.
I don't really outright hate or like Bra, but I still think she got off too easy. Not saying she has to die, but she should of been disqualified from the tournament instead of conceding against Ghast. Her taking this timid selfless high ground approachJust feels jarring after her rampage and her general personality prior to that onslaught.
I don't know just hearing her being disqualified showing her consequences of her actions, and her choice in choosing or having to accept that with the weight of what she done denying the main thing she wanted to do there; it would start her character growth more sincerely than the route she actually took.
Love how there are essays on Multiverse now!!! Totally agree with everything you said. They’ve been cooking with her, however the biggest issue with her is the writing of her father, and especially that ending like you said. I’m hoping when they finally get to the “Evil Vegito” arc they’ll be able to wrap up their plot lines in an understandable way.
Keep up the good work!
I like Gogeta more than Vegito, but even I know they did Vegito dirty.
I always thought it was a missed opportunity to not have GT in a MULTIVERSE tournament. Especially since its an alt-timeline.
That's why it wouldn't make sense. GT takes place is the second timeline after future Gohan died. The main timeline, this takes place in an like alternate timeline like Super but without all the arcs.
Apparently it’s because of the creators of Multiverse don’t like GT.
I still remember the little spot where the Golden Ape appeared in the tournament with a background character saying that’s from GT and the author’s avatar smacking them and saying it’s their own thing adding them in.
Didn’t sit well with me.
@@viruschris3160 Can't get much more of a bratty, entitled response to 'why not GT?' Than directly saying 'NO, NO. THAT'S NOT GT, THAT'S ORIGINAL FOR US. US ONLY.' Glad I never kept up with this trashfire or its moronic creators. I get not liking GT, but that'd just childish.
@@PotaraGuy It’s more HOW they achieve the Golden Ape transformation with the setup, but even it was so stupid.
@@sky-oq5mrgt is future timeline?
Figured I should weigh in on this, I've been reading Multiverse for the past 5 - 6 years. A good amount of character perspectives are done better with the websites Novelization version and the U16 Special Novel detailing Vegito's life until the Multiversal Tournament. It gets you into Vegito and Bra's headspaces and makes all of their actions make far more sense. Sorry for the freaking essay dump but all of the details are needed to paint a full picture of both Vegito and Bra.
To explain Vegito in Chapter 17 of the U16 novel was conflicted having his own fullyborn child. While he viewed Gohan, Goten, and Trunks as his sons he felt somewhat distant from them, closer to a step parent in a sense so when Bulma propositioned for another child to Vegito he was both eager but also anxious for what that meant as a he was fearful of how strong a hybrid of his blood would be and he was scared of the possibility of that child becoming evil if raised wrong. He consulted with Android 18 and Elder Moori about becoming a parent and determined that he wanted a 4th child.
Despite those conversations he was a flawed father, in the Multiverse Novel on page 159, Vegito is also clueless on how to truly help his daughter with her self control, as Vegito is scared of his own psychopathic lapses of control in desiring a new challenge that he sort of leaves it up to Bra to figure it out and only steps in when she goes on tantrums. It's made even worse by Goku's nobility in him, he swore to the Kai's of Unvierse 16 that he would be the Universes greatest defender, preventing all potential dangers to the point where the common people view Vegito as a god.
That said he also took Goku's bad traits, that being his desire for a challenge. Chapter 20 of the U16 novel he genuienly contemplates tearing apart earth, Videl, and a newborn Pan to get a real life or death fight from Gohan because he was so bored and at the time Gohan was 2nd only to Vegito. This is made worse by the Vegeta in him. In U16 Vegeta never threw away his pride, while he was willing to become permanetly fused with Goku he nev had the chance to acknowledge his own faults and mutual respect to Goku like with how his counterpart U18 Vegeta. Meaning he's insecure about his own power which is why he was jealous of U18 Goku and Vegeta unclocking Normal Super Saiyan or how in the Novel's he was wary of Buu potentially training and surpassing him.
Bra like any child would of course pick up these nasty traits and habbits from her dad. She views herself as a goddess, the daughter of the greatest hero in the Universe and the younger sister of the 2nd strongest as she looks up to both Vegito and Gohan. This made her desire to grow strong but overtime she grew insecure about not reaching Vegito or Gohan's level, which is how she unlocked Super Saiyan. This is compunded by Vegito trying to help Bra in the Time Chamber, Chapter 161 of the Multiverse novel Vegito tries to coax Bra into going Super Saiyan again after she first transformed. Vegito take sthe same route Goku did against Uub to coax out his power, Vegito shamed her by calling her an embarassment and weak which while it did get her to become a Super Saiyan again but it only furthered her insecurities and unstable mindset that reached it's apex when she went SSJ2, killing Goten, destroying the planet, and making the star go supernova. The reason she's so apathetic to all those deaths is because she believes all Vegito wants is a strong daughter, the moment she proves that she is worthy of his care he tells her he's going to kill her if she gets that strong again with the Chapter 159 of the Multiverse Novel detailing that she was fobidden from going SSJ2, meaning no one helped her with her self control again and Vegito gave up on her.
Now for Bra: Oncemore the Multiverse novel version helps Bra out far more. It explains that under normal circumstances she could've resisted Babadi's Majin Mark, but the trauma of switching bodies with Ginyu along with hatchiyack, the embodiment of evil mentally taxing her even further left her vulnerable both physically and mentally to where Babadi could take her over. Factor in the sheer drunk high she was in to finally controlling her SSJ2 state and her worstened Saiyan traits being passed down from Vegito.
The reason the U18 Bra stuff works better in the Novel is that it isn't a talk no jutsu situation, the two argue and fight. In chapter 159 of the Novel U16 Bra yells about how her counterpart is weak and spoiled meanwhile U18 Bra tells her counterpart that she has Bulma, Gohan and the Son family that love her, that death isn't just some Dragon Ball day trip to fix, and even U18 Goten jumps in to sympathize and help her. The passive line works far better here as well, to take the exact words from the novels version: “Then that’s even worse, you didn’t even try to resist,” Bra spat, crossing her arms. “You didn’t bat an eyelid when you killed Gohan, who was ALWAYS considerate of you - and you’ll never convince me otherwise! You allowed your mind to be taken over, you conceded your heart to a darkness that, through you, committed absolute atrocities! So no, madam “I am the strongest”... You aren’t the best, you surrendered, you handed yourself over. For all your great strength, you just gave in. You’re completely passive.”
Yeah, this irons things out very nicely, thanks for your explanation and for watching.
>It is fan content
“Oh, I love fan comics!”
>Apparently, it is about my favorite fusion, Vegito.
“Oh, I hate fan comics!”
I love the version of Ginyu that stole King Cold's body that was so cool
The reason Bra’s alternative self is the only one that got through is because she proved that Majin Bra always had the choice to do things differently even with Vegito’s crappy parenting. It was proof that she fucked up and that’s why it sobered her up to think that she herself is the source of all her own problems
Isn't there a chapter in this series where someone has a future vision of Vegito destroying the multiverse because he's salty for losing a fight? And he's the one preaching bra about controlling anger
I felt bad for Vegito. As his universe's protector, if Bra became evil it would be up to him to take her out. So, seeing her grow stronger each day without improving her control was grains in an hourglass. He would have to choose between his daughter and the universe.
I think the issue here where I have to disagree harshly is in regards to her not killing the alternate reality version of herself.
The reason she broke free from Babidi's control is because that version of Bra was basically saying everything her surpressed negative thoughts were, a little voice the back of your head acknowledging your flaws and your problems that Babidi managed to surpress with his mind control and bring all of Son Bra's issues to the forefront in full force. For all intents and purposes, and all their different personality traits, Son Bra is still Bra. They are still likely similar in thought processes at least and even Majin Vegeta was able to resist Babidi's control.
It's not about consistency when it comes to Babidi's mind control, it's about circumstances. Vegeta was able to resist his urge to kill Goku to take out Majin Buu. Bra was able to resist the urge to kill Bra because Bra is her.
Vegito also isn't the one we see in Super. He's fresh off the Majin mind control and is before he gets rid of his inferiority complex. This will carry over the fusion and frankly we don't actually know what Vegito's personality is like outside of battle.
Do I think Vegito should have went for the kill? No. Do I understand why he did? Yes. Power on the scale of Dragon Ball is incredibly destructive, you simply cannot lead to the destruction of a solar system to unlock a new form. Son Bra is a lot more Saiyan then any of the other Half-Saiyans and seems to have taken on their worst traits. The comparison to Broly is accurate.
When thinking of this story, I thought about Majin Vegeta's decisions, and I was divided on what my take would be for this character. Rereading the battle royale and looking at how she took down her older brother I just couldn't see her alternate version being the reason she breaks after everything. I still think it was a good decision to have her break the trance of her other self, and the explanation you provide is good too. Hearing about killing yourself from an alternate universe is hard, yes but I would argue killing your blood brother who's watched you grow up and spent probably a lot of time with you that, possibly more than your own father would, has to be way tougher in my eyes. Yet, she does it without flinching.
@@maliksyv6056 This is exactly why I think she does it without flinching is that she KNOWS him well. That can have a lot of complicated feelings that can surface in violence imo. She knows exactly what he would say and is prepared to hear it.
What does she expect to hear from Bra, though? Pleas for her life because she's so weak. Fear. A weakling with no power.
She failed to remember that just like her, she had Bulma's fierceness. She may not have the power to back it up, but she has the nerve of a woman who slapped a God of Destruction without hesitation. She didn't think Bra was like her in any respect outside of appearance.
she was such a well built character till they didnt punish her actions or atleast give it longer lasting effects (majin bra thing)
glad to see someone take an objective view on son bra. most people i've seen just write her off as a mary sue and are done with it. I often wondered if the issue with her mental state might be due impart to being the daughter of a fusion. Z vegito always felt like the worst parts of goku and vegeta mashed together (vegeta's arrogance and goku's inability to take fights seriously from the start) I figured something like that was going on with Bra, but nothing has been shown regarding that. Just Too much power + reckless behavior.
Like if this vegito fused before vegeta's final resolve you know the moment he decides he wont be the same way he once was and fused to fight buu when he awakened then I would see why vegito is so pressed about pride and bieng the strongest but at the time goku and vegeta fuse vegeta is a guy with a pure heart so vegito's character doesnt make sense vegito is only like that so she can a tragic backstory
Vegeta hasn't changed even his character development he got in z and still acts like a child in super.....so it's pointless either way
@@sridrawings4510 the backstories for the comic and the comic itself were bieng written before super and i have not read much of super past top but from what I can guess its just a rivalry they always had like in the buu saga but this time vegeta wont allie himself with the villan just for a chance to defeat goku
I think the only way they could have executed this properly would have been making Bra far more violent and sadistic or made Vegito more like Kakarot fused with Vegeta rather than Goku
I had been reading DBM nonstop since probably before 2016. Read every chapter, followed every new page the day it released, etc. The outcome of Majin Bra made me completely drop the series and never look back. Ironically, if the writers never did a 180 and went, "She's the real victim here...", it could've been fine. Vegito was extremely hard on her, she had a history of outbursts, a heel-turn via Babidi made sense. But to say that the character who just SLAUGHTERED most of the cast INCLUDING her own family without a SHRED of remorse or pity was only stopped because she got TALK NO JUTSU'D BY HERSELF FROM ANOTHER UNIVERSE? AND THAT WE SHOULD FEEL BAD FOR HER???
Seriously, imagine that. Any efforts by her family and peers to snap her out of it fall on deaf ears and she kills them easily. But main universe Bra yells at her, and suddenly, she regrets everything and the Majin seal is gone. Gimme a break...
I Agree her ending iS LIKE OH MY GOSH DUDE i complained about this when it first came out
She murdered an entire solar system earlier already and then Vegito already made it his duty to to protect the universe. He's bra murder so many of the multiverses contestants and somehow he is the bad guy? I Agree that they should of stopped him from killing her because wether its goku or vegeta i dont care a father killing their own child will fuck them up for life. They could of had the kai's say they have seen enough of creation to know that his heart means well but it would be the wrong thing for him to do given his state of mind
. But her being "understood" is like waaaaaaaaay outta pocket. I Think they should of had her either die and then come back and go to some weird version of limbo/hell Or the reason behind her madness actually explored. I always felt it was a broly like situation where there is a natural madness coupled with something that keeps them going into the deep end..Wether its Z broly (Which was poorly done) or Super broly (Which is must better done)...
But she is a genocidal mass murderer and all she got was a pat on the back for her actions and a "she understands" her ways now like no she don't
I Think vegito not being the best father is somewhat ok due to the fact that goku despite understanding gohan when he was teen didnt really fully understand his needs until the cell games...and Vegeta despite being better can still be stubborn. I think the overconfidence of vegito and currate that scenario but its not really ever shown other than the one line of "You dont get that power and not lose some compassion" which seems more like a remark to be broken and deconstructed than to be adhered to
When goku and vegeta fight in ultimate potential unleashed forms. Vegito is pissed rather than elated to see that his individual parts reached a power that could match him on some level without needing fusion. it would be a good place for him to realise his complacency and how he could of messed up with bra but instead he just hides into himself
Reminds me of that one fan manga where beerus revives cell to push gohan and cell kills pan and shit before gohan crashes out and kills him and somehow Goku is ok....Vegeta justifies it as gohan needing to be better EVEN THOUGH HE DOES NOT LIKE FIGHTING and Beerus telling him to suck it up and Gohan (Despite getting stronger) just takes it like i hate that shit so much its just injustice to the highest degree and removes value from the motive of the story
Super broly is the worse version. He literally just mad to be mad. His entire backstory is he got sent off as a kid then Frieza finds him and that's his whole life. Dbz broly was tortured as a newborn being stabbed and thrown in the garbage and spent years conquering and destroying the southern galaxy where pikkon stayed. He then gets taken over by his dad and when he's finally free he becomes his true self again. Dbs broly is nothing but grunts and yelling meanwhile dbz broly was smart, cocky and tactical. Idk how anyone could ever say dbs broly was better written when he wasn't written at all
@@sky-oq5mr Thing is, Z Broly doesn't have ANY type of character development, which Super Broly does.
Besides, Super Broly is all grunting and yelling because, guess what? He's in a totally uncontrollable psychotic state where even he doesn't know what the fuck he's doing.
(you're right on dbs broly's backstory though, should've been more interesting than staying on a random planet untill frieza recruits him again)
Edit: Let me name examples because I see the complain coming. Super Broly actually had some moments to develop his character with Lemo and Cheelai. Sure, those talks might seem to be filler, but those talks are important to the progression of his character and make some desicions actually makes sense. It also shows us how Broly sees the world and how he interacts with it. The problem with Z Broly not having any character development comes from the fact that he's always in one-dimensional thinking. Sure, his Legendary Super Saiyan lines are memorable, but what is his logical thinking besides of "I want to destroy because that shit rocks"? That's just Kid Buu or Janemba level of motivation, but at least they have the argument of being monsters of pure evil. Or what, are they bad because they're always grunting and yelling too?
@@TruxySSJ Z broly had character development. He went from a sad depressed voiceless wuss into a psycho maniac monster like the legends said the legendary super Saiyan would be. He had way more character development than dbs broly. What I see from what you're saying is, since he didn't end up trying to be a good guy that's the problem when it's not. He's evil, pure evil like Vegeta described the legendary super Saiyan to be. He couldn't even form proper sentences until he finally broke his chance, killed the main that put him in those chains aka his father. It's a deep story for dbz broly. He saves his father from king vegeta and Frieza but losses control when he unlocks ssj as a child and clobbered his dad. His dad thinking this mf is going to destroy everything like the legends states, so he puts some restraint on him. This causes even the dad to be corrupt because he can have his son do whatever he wants now so he gets drunk off power while his son is miserable. Dbs broly got all his forms randomly one after another which is another corny trope that ruins these characters in dbs. Z broly already had ssj but was restrained to use it's full power which was why it was blue when he had the head piece on. Dude erased the southern galaxy and adds to a possibly on who killed pikkon when he was strong enough to one tap perfect cell. I'm not gonna say super perfect because I'm unsure about that.
Personally I feel like even Goku would have a hard time forgiving what Bra did, she lost control of herself and transformed and in the process she ended up destroying an entire civilization that was under Vegeto's protection as well as killing her brother Goten and later when confronted she seemed like she didn't really care about any of that. Then later she gets mind controlled and goes off to kill even more people including Gohan who was one of the only people who was there for her and yet even he wasn't spared. If Goku apparently couldn't forgive Raditz for kidnapping his son then I don't see how Goku could forgive actual Genocide from within his own family.
As for Vegeta I can see him wanting to prevent his own children from committing the same mistakes he did and would harshly come down on such behavior. Like imagine if Kid Trunks was to destroy a city or something during the Buu Arc, do you think Vegeta wouldn't come down hard on Trunks for that? So to me it makes sense that both Goku and Vegeta within Vegeto wouldn't exactly tolerate their precious daughter becoming a heartless monster who feels nothing as she ends the lives of entire civilizations or even her own family.
Even DBZA understood how Babidi's mind control ability works better than this arc did. And that was a short skit for another video with jokes in them!
People should remember that DBM was the only thing Dragonball fans could look forward to since Super wasn't even a thing back then, infact the DB franchise was pretty much dead and only relying on videogames and merchandise sales. The fact that it managed to keep going after all this time while keeping up with updates has solifidied its status as one of the most iconic DB fanmangas out there.
Also yes, Bra is fucking horrible as a character.
I like it honestly, vegito being corrupted by being force fused for too long is a good idea, son Bra is fun character and was a good short term villain
There are certainly qualities to like about the characters. Genuinely Son Bra is my favorite of all the characters.
I’m so proud of you, dog. From Smash King giving you 5K views years ago to Dragon Ball Multiverse giving you 20k. Keep cooking brother
Preciate you man, I really didn’t know you were still around. Imma return to smash king one day for a full analysis and I’m finna make it a whole movie.
@@maliksyv6056 hell yeah brother I look out for my goats, no matter how much time has passed 🗣️🔥keep cooking‼️‼️‼️
Multiverse has made many inconsistencies leading up to this arc and before. This really doesnt come as shock on how they handle this. Hopefully we get a DB fan made project that is above mediocrity
I personally think that they should have made babadi mind control more powerful and different from the original. Instead of the person evil in there heart is intensified, it should have been changed to something like the higher the emotions or stress the faster you become either a mindless solider or slowly lose your mind and become crazy. I think something like this would make the character killing family members make a bit more sense without all of the controversy. I also think if they added a scene were vegito is about to kill her but hesitant which would flash back to vegito telling her he would kill her was more a tactic to scare her from doing anything evil or reckless. Haven’t really thought super in detail about everything, just throwing my thoughts out there.
PLEASE MAKE MORE VIDEOS ABOUT DRAGONBALL MULTIVERSE!!!
I will watch and share them all!!!
Alright if it strikes me in the future I’ll definitely make more vids on it. Maybe a Vegito video if I feel like it.
Don't care what anybody says she had that coming, saying that she mind control is a terrible defense because it was already said she's capable of breaking out of it if she wanted too.
I’ve always loved this story, I’m glad it’s still getting support, despite it’s flaws.
Think this is bad for a single character? Wait until you see the colossal mess that is Ultra Vegito. Cause hold shit that series went overboard on every level
Not a fan of Ultra Ego either. I think it's kinda dumb but hopefully, it's not a form Vegeta will constantly lose in.
Golly gee wilikers Batman, maybe if they didn't drag out the gosh darn arc for 4 rootin' tootin' years, maybe they could've given us a fleshed out ending instead of pulling an M8 and going "alright i'm bored now, throw a moral at it and wrap it up"
So ever since I've kept up with the multiverse story, i was curious on how vegito interacted with his universe. Seeing a version of Bra that is Vegito's child would've been to me an interesting dynamic, but once I've seen the backstory of how the two interact, it feels like his Vegeta side shows a lot more from how inpatient he is. I agree that bra needs to be held accountable for her actions during the babidi revolt arc, but she also needs help as well that vegito will never do
If i had a nickel for every time someone tried to forcefully make dragonball characters cool by overloading them with edginess i would probably have enough money to buy the original IP and make dragon ball GT remake
The writers hate vegetto fr
To say Bra was mind controlled is wouldn’t be accurate. More manipulated. Because babidi’s “Mind control” only enhances the the evil that’s already within you. It’s still you doing things that you always wanted to do for the reasons you wanted to do them.
There is manipulation that convinces the victim to serve Babidi. However, as we saw with Vegita, unless Babidi’s shock collar method of control is enough to force them, the victim won’t comply if they would never bow to babadi’s will. This is why he promised Vegita his hearts desire in order to get him to comply. This is reforced after when Babidi realized he couldn’t control Vegita at all after he gave Vegita what he wanted.
This is why when Vigeto decided to put the blame Bra, he not wrong to do so. Since he’s coming from a place of understanding of what’s it’s like to be influenced by Babidi.
I'm going to sound contrarian here but...
I think Vegito's characterization is actually very accurate. Remember that this version of Vegeta that makes up Vegito is still not there yet. He did not come to the revelation that he was truly wrong nor did he finally admit that Goku was number 1. For this Vegeta, he had just finally come to terms where his emotions and allegiance lies: to his family. He learned to put aside his own wants for the sake of others because that's the right thing to do. However, he was never humbled by Kid Buu and SSJ3 Goku. He's still a cocky asshole. Remember: Vegeta watched that fight and had a long moment of self reflection and got humbled by Goku. He finally understood why Goku was always stronger and why he is number 1 during that fight which is how Vegeta is able to fully become good and move on. Remember that even before this he was trying to Rock Paper Scissors Goku for the chance to fight Kidd Buu. He didn't have that final mental maturity push until after the fight against Kid Buu.
Because Vegito never had that experience with Kid Buu, I can still see him being a cocky asshole that wants to fight strong guys even if the stakes are kind of high (see goku and vegeta RPS for who gets to fight Kid Buu instead of fusing again). Vegeta hasn't mentally matured while Goku is a flat character meaning for Vegito to be more heroic and a good understanding father, Vegeta needed to fully changed.
I'd say vegito daughter is Narcissistic it took only herself to see the light as sad as it is
Oh all the "what If Vegito stayed fused" scenarios, I feel like this is the worst one. Simply because Vegito I don't think would choose to be with either Chi Chi or Bulma. He'd just do his own thing. That wouldn't be so bad but yeah Bra just confuses me. she feels like the modern day Hollywood take on "strong women": over powered, always has to make the problems about her and her only flaw is she can't control her power. Not compelling at all and Vegito must suck as a teacher if he can't help his daughter tame her power after all this time.
She needed to learn her place
Dragon Ball multiverse has such good concept if they just rewrote some stuff and added dbs and dbgt characters imagine a dbz vs dbs broly son bra vs caulifla and kale
Or stuff from the videogames like the time patrol since all of these different timelines exist
The gods of destruction as well
The refusal to try implement the newer dragon ball content as well the writing itself is holding this fan Manga back
I genuinely loved the character, probably my favorite out of the multiverse. True there was some parts here and there but considering this was fan made, I didn’t mind🤷♂️ can’t wait to see if they top goku vs vegeta tho🙏
This kind of event is what happens when you have a story be told over years and years of development rather than on a regular schedule with short intervals, which is understandable given the amount of effort it takes to create something this grand with no time or money to really put into it. As time goes and the story develops, new things come to mind or there needs to be innovation and new stimulus brought up.
I will admit, this section of the story as a whole was probably my favorite of the entire manga given that it had some of the best looking shots and actually put emphasis on the whole character flaw with Bra, which was her obsession for power and validation by others. It makes sense to me that she would be so unstable given the environment she was forced to measure up in, not to mention having both Goku and Vegeta as a father is easily one of the worst things imaginable, even as far as fictional universes go. A lot of people don't truly understand how awful a fate that could be, it's one thing with them both separate, they had eachother to always rat on and contest against, but now that they don't, there's no telling what kind of mental fortitude it would take to grow up as Vegito's blood child and be expected to perform just as well as him, if not better.
But this arc, as much as I loved it, had flaws, one of which you pointed out quite clearly. In all honesty, Bra should have fought more against Babidi's control before she fell into it, and the death should have been kept to a minimum, if not 0. Dragonball has unfortunately made death such a trivial concept in story telling that it feels like the only way to truly create an intense and despairing situation, or in other words, high stakes, is to callously kill people off left and right to show how much of a threat x or y is. When in actuality, that is furthest from the truth. I wish they had done better with Bra's arc here.
this is the most thoughtful analysis of bra I've seen. The comment section page to page just ranted about her being too strong or bratty. Like yeah man she's the combined child of the two strongest figters in the known universe raised by the ritchest smartest woman alive. She is literally the kid of the two most important people in the world of course that would lead to some behavioral issues especially if vegito as portrayed here is as short tempered as he is.
Son Bra is someone's Xenoverse 2 CaC lmao
2:50 I want to highlight a minor error here. At the point that Vegito was born in the Buu arc, Vegeta had not yet come to terms with his Pride issues or understanding Goku's self-improvement mindset. It was a Vegeta who had just finally fully accepted the fact that he loves his familly, but his grudge against Goku would not be resolved until the fight against Kid Buu.
So I've actually always liked that that facet was still within this Vegito. It's a fusion that loves his friends and family, but has an internal disconnect between what the point of power is.
They keep treating vegito as goku and vegeta in one body but
He is hes own Charcther
He was born from the sacrifice of two warriors who wanted to protect their world and family from a great evil
And he took that even further by doing the surprame kais job into protecting the universe and maintaining peace
Vegito is neither goku nor vegeta and he dont deserve the sins of either Charcther
So gotenks and bra talking down to vegito was such a bad choice
Bro could you do a video about vegito problems? I feel that would be cool
TDLR: this character is a mary sue
Oh no Mary Sue was another character they defeated early in the tournament.
Comes with being the daughter of Vegito I guess.
@@nothri And yet Bra still meets the classic traits of a Mary Sue 💀
@@struggler6864wouldn't say that. She's been clobbered and tested alot. You could say Goku is that then, he always finds a way around everything or especially Gohan. He does damn near nothing and gets everything without having to do much at all. Literally the same week he gets ssj he get ssj2...
@@struggler6864what traits does she show
My feelings on Bra are basically my feelings on Vegeta though out all of Z
They are arrogant self centered asshole who got away with horrible actions because of plot armor but I wouldn't care too much except it by proxy makes everyone else look horrible especially the people who not only let them off but actively try to defend there actions basically a situation is both the actions taken against you but also how you choose to react to it
Honestly to me this bra is the 3rd worst character in this manga, with u20 broly and vegetto being 1st and 2nd respectlly.
Her fight as a majin was fine until she teleported badibi away, then everything went down hard.
First everyone else become kinda incompetent at the time to fighting her , going down one after another, and every time it looked like progress was made she eated a senzu.
And don't get me in how there were 2 joke panels one after another at the part of buu and gohan's last attack.
If that isn't terrible timing and tension killing then i don't know what it is.
Son bra is my favorite character in multiverse, with buu and gohan coming in at 2nd and 3rd. Son bra is probably going to be the one to kill vegito when he eventually snaps near the end of the tournament probably being assisted by ssj normal gogeta(i assume this would be the ending given bardock's vision while fighting king cold).
i never seen this multiverse but the vegito comments funny af 😂😂😂
Ah db multiverse perfectly balancing ocs and canon together its only equal being FunnySexyDB.
what do you mean over 7 years?
I mean, that's technically true but I remember reading this comic when I was like 12. I'm 27 now and I completely forgot about its existences ultil the youtube algorithm recommend me this video.
I looked up when it started and backtracked it said that so that’s what I put.
To be honest, I LIKE the concepts Salagir introduces. Vegito being flawed and unstable, similarly to his daughter - he isn't evil, but it should be noted, that the Vegeta we got to make Vegito, had only JUST GOTTEN OUT OF HIS MAJIN PHASE. Vegeta was STILL a somewhat flawed individual, he STILL had a long way to go (I don't like Super, but it's something to consider that it takes a while for us to see the level of peace in him manifest, over the course of years, multiple arcs. Think the namek saga of super; can you see post-majin Vegeta being ready to take on that responsibility?) - and then there's Goku. This was a Goku that was finally able to explore his more selfish Saiyan nature without much regrets, without much hindrances. This is a Goku with his worst traits amplified, and developed upon further. Vegito isn't a bad person - he's just unstable. The side-stories/novelization adds to this, with Vegito struggling with his marital life and other children, identity issues in relation to the world; general mid-life crisis with lack of purpose and PLENTY of biological issues (like the food shortage).
So then we have Bra. We have his daughter becoming what she is so early on, not because she's dealt any abuse, but because the fundamental instabilities that come with being a half-saiyan/half-human DEMIGOD, with somewhat callous and haphazard parents and/or home life to SOME degree, thus resulting in her empathy being stunted. Bra displays a possibility for exploration on a deeper level, of the saiyan-human dichotomy; she is flawed in the manner of both human nature, and saiyan biology. And that's GENUINELY INTERESTING. I just think Salagir kinda retconned too much to make this happen, and didn't actually flesh out Vegito's issues, while Bra's were taken to lengths of cognitive bias and imposed judgements for us to provide her that levity. It is a DAMN GOOD IDEA to be sure, but I think the entirety of the series would need a reboot, a revamp of some sort, in order to have it all come together just right - The story needed to START IT ALL OFF with not just implications, and presentation of certain ideas, but with a clear vision in mind.
That, and this is a dragon ball fan manga, and there's certain level of intelligence you come to expect from the viewerbase.
Passive
i doubt android 21 is more redeemable than her
21: Is a good person driven insane by her hunger and when she had to face her darker half she sacrificed herself.
Bra: An arrogant asshole that became a bigger asshole when she had the chance to let go and was given no real consequences
I Loved Majin Bra
For everyone's critiques on vegitos character, id like to believe its the result of a prolonged fusion, Vegito isnt Goku + Vegeta anymore and became his own being, what we see here is the 'real' Vegito and not a fusion
Never heard of this chick. Excited to learn more!
Thanks for watching as always
Her character is only controversial because if you don’t have good guy and bad guy and make an actually complex character Dragonball fans can’t comprehend it and get confused.
While I can see your point as far as morally grey characters being difficult for some to fully get behind, there is a difference in the controversy of a character's ethics prompting discourse and challenging conversation and the controversy of a character who is frustrating due to inconsistent writing. Bra in this comic is mostly a point of contention because even when it feels like we have gotten a good feel of what she's got going on as a character, she behaves erratically in ways that don't make sense, even in terms of her own chaotic nature.
It makes it feel much more "Mary Sue"-like than simply having a complex character, which is very unfortunate because while at this point it is a compliment that has been stripped of any real significance, it is absolutely true that she had so much potential going for her.
There is nothing complex about her lol
No, she just doesn’t have good writing half the time.
Complex? What does that word mean? I'm a Dragon Ball fan (We will never beat the illiteracy allegations)
She is just a terrible character lmao. Doesn’t matter if she is complex
I have to disagree in bra not killing the other bra, because she personally think of herself better than the other one due to her ego she wanted to show the other bra how she was inferior
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I remember reading this fanfic years ago, but I stopped reading it as it felt boring to me after a while and how long it took.
The art is gorgeous I’ll admit. At times.
I do dislike their take on GT (as they hate that series, though I respect if they’re not a fan of that series) and the writing later down in the story just seems edgy for the sake of edgy.
Or badly executed.
I’ll admit I actually love Bra/Bulla Son’s design. The tank top and sport shorts is very appealing design. And I enjoy that the two universe Bra having different tastes is nice to separate the two.
Vegito was done dirty too. The way they place him on a pedestal and how he acts in the Majin Arc… yeah.
I don’t care if there’s novelization versions of their backstory. It feels like damage control.
I don’t understand why they wrote them like that in the main story.
I have no more interest in the fanfic.
Good video 👍
Huh I always liked Vegito here. Alot of other Mangas I see make him and Gogeta kinda like these perfect characters that are meant to be powerhouses cause thats how the actual series treats them (they only last like 30 min-1hr in canon). How would this Vegito act if its fusion wasnt the main event the DB series treats him as especially with fusees without those full characters arc and Vegitos own experience pass that in an environment where he isnt top dog?
Vegito is a ticking time bomb waiting to go off especially when things dont go his way or that he is judge jury and executioner. The talk after the Majin Bra thing to me wasnt saying Vegito is totally wrong but letting Vegito know that he isnt the end all be all nor does he have the purest intentions in mind as he also has the potential for the same "crashout" moments like Bra. The apple doesnt fall too far from the tree. The situation was over and I genuinely feel like this "punishment" for Bra should come from Gast cause its feels like he has more wisdom than Vegito. Killing Bra as punishment (as Ive seen from others) is just relieving her of not only consequence but change as well and imo is just kinda lazy.
Could you do video about JJK fan made endings
I'll see about that after I finish the upcoming vids. Thank you fro watching!
I never even heard of dragon ball multiverses
It's been around for a *long* time. Since 2008, if I remember right. Because of this, it doesn't include the Battle of Gods or Super, outside of one cameo joke from Beerus and Whis in the audience. This is ironic since its premise is similar to the Tournament of Power, with the difference of most of the universes being What-If scenarios.
@@johnnygyro2295 ah gotcha
@TevyaSmolka
Part of the reason the comic has gone this long is that there were *20 universes* participating, and the other reason is that the main story occasionally gets interrupted by specials explaining some of the universes' backstories.
@@johnnygyro2295 ah gotcha
@TevyaSmolka
Sorry if I'm rambling. This was one of the first Dragon Ball fanworks I got interested in.
Thanks Etika
Bra is just a mery sue the chapter when she kills everyone is just trash 🗑️
wait shes vegitos daughter? or vegeta..did vegito(goku) clap bulma
So vegito i just permantly fused in this series?
Yeah
Yeah, this was before super and the potara retcon.
So, I'm not too familiar with this fan manga
But, could anyone help me understand how Vegito had a child? Are Goku and Vegeta here of one mind? Like they are permanently fused? Or is it a case of two fathers?
Goku and Vegeta are permanently fused and had a child with Bulma resulting in Bra. Vegito are considered a different person from Goku and Vegeta having some of their qualities and combining their potential into himself.
@@maliksyv6056 I figured this was the case, essentially a "two become one" type of situation
Would assume that Chi Chi was somewhat ok with this
ngl this is vegeito glaze because it the problem with bra stems form the problem with vegeito being abusive and fearful of a power greater than his own because he can't trust a someone like that and vegeta is not a good teacher at all at the time of the fusion and way more prideful and thing with vegito is that he's a fusion that lasted too long like this fusion comes with a price goku and vegeta conflict with each other we usually see vegtio for a hour each time they fuse but he's been around for years in that universe so that's why i think its one of the best dragon ball fan stories ever
Why is controversial to character can you please explain me.
The controversial aspect comes in with how she was handled. Her character arc isn’t paid off because she doesn’t even overcome it herself the Bra from the other universe pushes her to break free with one conversation. Not to mention that when she’s meant to reflect on the darkness within herself it’s turned into a Vegito bad guy moment which I address in the video. Bra was essentially a mess of a character that gets more credit for stuff she didn’t do for herself by the story and writers in my opinion. This led to so discourse about the character and if she was good or bad in the community when the chapters initially came out. Out of all the characters found within the work she’s drawn the most conversation regarding her character arc. Hence the title.
@@maliksyv6056 to be fair she's still a kid and has a lot to learn, he traumatized her, imagine having your dad threatening to kill you, yet the dragon balls exist so her mentality was more.. idk how to say it, imo but yea the convo thing was meh it could of had vegetto try and do the right thing
@@candyogato9638 oh definitely threatening to kill your kid isn’t right at all. Vegito was wrong, but some mistakes even for a child I can’t really excuse, blowing up a solar system out of rage and not even caring after? I just can’t leave a slap on the wrist with her just because she was a kid.
It feel like people really doesn’t know what fusion really is or in that matter Son Bra. Vegitto depicted in the series is quite good. Being a fusion for so long, he would’ve developed a personality different to that of both Goku and Vegeta. Think it like cooking, if you put two ingredients into a cooking pot, it won’t taste the exact same of both of them but something new. This Vegitto is stagnant, not having anyone to bounce off, his personality and everything about never change. I would go as far as to say this Vegitto might not even be that stronger compare to his Buu saga self. This is further emphasized when Goku and Vegeta reveal their new state and Vegitto being suprised on how they achieved it. Son Bra listening to her self in the other universe is also fine. Bra and Bulla are the same person but different timeline. I would be more include to listen to alternate self them some random ass RUclipsr giving me tip on thing. I know myself best and I know what to and not do. Not to mention, Bra literally act like how Vegeta would have act and killing Civilians for a good fight is not off the table for Majin Vegeta so why would it for a Berserk SSJ2 Bra. Dragonball fan don’t read the story?
Dragonball fans when everything isn’t explained word for word
¿Que dijeste de cristo rey?
the spell put on her is strong dude and she felt bad for what she did later on
Yes because her feeling bad redeems her actions. From what I remember she literally could’ve said no to it all and let this happen. The spell is only strong because she let it go that far she deserved to die
I find the issues that people have with Bulla in multiverse to be massively hypocritical and tone deaf.
For one: These are the same people that act like Vegito is the strongest character to ever exist in Dragon Ball. That if Vegito never defused Beerus and Whis would need to fuse to stand a chance (which isn't even remotely true. Not even realistically close to reality) but these people will say all this about Vegito and then be surprised that Vegito's daughter is just as strong as they say and not stronger. And will endlessly complain that she's a mary sue when we've seen her train with Vegito and Gohan in the story before and has had to deal with Vegito's abuse multiple times during her developmental years and has been shown that she is indeed weaker than Vegito in the story. He's the one keeping a leash on her the entire time.
I just don't know what this community wants or expects. She's the daughter of a fucking potara fusion. Did they expect her to only be as strong as Namek Frieza or some shit? She's got the DNA of Goku and Vegeta flowing through her damn veins. To expect anything less that what we've seen just leads me to believe these people have no idea what they want.
Looks like you're part of the problem, bub
the dragonballs can bring people back there is no death and as a kid your going to think....okay so even if i die they can bring people back so of course your going to get that mentality from a person from bra and considering shes a kid too
the thing is this isnt the vagito you all know its a completely different vagito because this vagitos vageta half never became a good guy he didnt reconise goku as the best so it makes sense vagito would be this way
i made a video series about this