Thx a ton for this comment had no idea about firmware updates. Was getting an unacceptable hiss when using this mic attached to the iphone 11 / filmic pro and it was seriously upsetting me. I would have returned it if the hiss couldn't be fixed. Just updated the firmware and thank god it fixed the issue! And also awesome review!
I have the Deity V-Mic D3 Pro and it's crazy on how much the VideoMic NTG is a like. I think both are better then the VideoMic Pro+ but that's a good point on the clipping possibility. NTG is a little more but you get more for that money. If those extras mean nothing to you, than I say stick with the D3 Pro and save some money. Great job Curtis!
I've learned 90%+ of what I know about audio from Curtis. Just bought a handful of the equipment listed on the how to boom video. Going to level up audio very soon! Thank you Curtis!
Thank you for doing an honest and unbiased review that aims to inform, instead of pushing people towards affiliate links. I really appreciate that. When it comes to audio you're one of very few people on RUclips I trust to give proper advice. The NTG seems like a great mic, although my VideoMicro is surprisingly good for what I do. Might be tempted to pick up the NTG at a later date, though. Have an amazing New Year!
Thanks for posting it Curtis. I was waiting for your review since the launch of this NTG, and from the time you left your comment on the official RODE promo.
World's are colliding. My two favorite mic reviewers! You guys are awesome! I have some mic reviews I need to do so IF you see maybe some tests inspired by your videos...yes they were and I'll make sure to let people know they were also. I better go film those now. 😂
Stellar work as always, Curtis, so thank you. You’re making it very much easier for us little guys to make informed purchasing decisions. Now I’d like to see a video of you at work on an actual corporate shoot; a ‘behind the scenes’ look at how you select the area to shoot in, the gear selection, setup, conducting interviews, collecting B-roll and so on. It would also be great to hear your thoughts on how to get into this line of work and what the considerations are. Maybe this exists in your online classes, but just thought I’d mention it. Thanks!
Thanks UltrafiAV. I started at my employer 13 years ago as a product business analyst - it is a software company - and slowly over the years became the videographer. Up until the Pandemic, I made mostly internal videos which they didn't want to go to the public but perhaps after the pandemic settles, we can do something like this. Thanks again!
Great video, Curtis! Is it just the XLR adapter that makes the Deity balanced? If so, could we just use the Deity XLR adapter on the RODE and make it balanced that way? Thanks.
Hi Gerald, no, the microphone has to support a balanced signal. Or you can use a DI box to convert to a balanced signal but those are generally pretty bulky.
Those adapters are generally passive but there are some that do plug-in power conversion that are more expensive. I have also seen some with built in Transformers which would make the signal a balanced send but they are hard to find. If only manufactured listed their doctors with more than the incoming and outgoing connector!
Looks like Rode now sell a gadget called "VXLR Pro" that does have a transformer balanced output and will provide "plug in power" voltage for mics that require it. Handy little device well worth what they are asking for it.
The gain dial and using the NTG as a USB mic are two features that make it a worthwhile upgrade from the Pro+ to me. My only peeve is that there be some way to check how much battery life remains. Maybe the light starts flashing when the battery is low? Great review, Curtis. You are the Audio Guru Jedi Master, for sure.
Comment to show the algorithm hay great is this video. I have been looking for mics for 2 months but every video or review i see is subjective. The work showed on this video with the real tests is just grate. Thanks a lot, i probably get the NTG
Very good explanation on how the high pass filters at 75 and 150 hertz work. The instruction manual didn't have much detail into what these numbers meant. Thank you for this video.
Great video as always Curtis. To my ears it sounds like you really can't go very wrong with any of those 3 mics. If you have the Pro Plus or the D3 Pro I'm not sure I see a compelling reason to go out and also buy the VideoMic NTG unless the USB C functionality is important to you.
I finally bought one. This is an odd little mic. The “gain” control is a bit misleading. It does not control the mic preamp gain. It appears to be a digital output level volume control. You can hear little “ticks” as you change it indicating it is NOT an analog controller. I believe the mic gain is probably fixed at 50-60dB gain (amplification) with the addition of selectable 20dB attenuation before the preamp. Still, in the end it works well. Simply set your camera to it’s lowest setting and turn the dial on the back end of the mic until you reach the desired level. Remember to use that -20 dB option in a loud environment. I love the auto power feature. For the price a furry wind cover should be included. The foam does not do much in the wind. And it gets even more odd when used over USB on a computer. You can use it for audio in and out, but there is no way to turn the mic off. You can always hear it.
Hello Chris, I’ve now owned my NTG for the past 3 weeks and LOVE IT 👍🏻, the audio features on this mic have the ability to dial in the settings to suit whatever is needed to capture brilliant sound. Thank You for producing this video review ✌🏻 Cheers from Wild Western Australia
Love how Rode's nomenclature adds NT on the end, so their mikes are names after rats, and their families. :) Only just found that out recently! Write out Rode, and add NT.
I have been waiting for this video for 2 week, best channel for light and sound education on the internet! Now I can make a decision, thanks for the help 🙏
So would the recommended workflow be to always record the two versions of audio to right and left channel (one at higher db and one at lower) and then discard the one that's not needed, and use the best version and then sync it over right and left channels? Or is that just a needlessly complicated workflow, and the two versions is only needed for certain difficult audio environments?
@@curtisjudd I am confused if the NTGs safety channel works with the pocket 4K? I do not know which setting to use. Rather I "manually" choose 3,5mm left and right to 1 and 2. Where channel 2 is set to 30% gain instead of 50. Is this wrong? or how its supposed to be used on the pocket(or any cine-camera for that matter)?
@@Mastersh1t It does work with the pocket 4k. You need to set the camera so that the left channel is set to 3.5mm mic left and the right channel is set to 3.5mm mic right. You'll then have the primary track on the left and the safety track on the right in the camera files.
@@curtisjudd Thank you for the quick reply Curtis! I thought that as well but when I pulled the file into Final cut I couldnt see any difference in the audio waves. They looked identical. Thats why I lowered the gain on the right channel so I could feel confident one channel was lower than the other. I will give it a try tomorrow again and see if I missed anything.
This would have been an interesting option now that I have a Camera that actually has good preamps. But too late, I am committed to the Tascam DR60MkII and Rode NTG2 now xD
@@Nickporter17 If you have a Canon or Nikon Camera, the NTG is gonna be an issue. If you have a Sony or Panasonic, the NTG is gonna easily deliver enough quality for RUclips and safe you a decent amount of money compared to my setup. But personally I would go with the Deity V-Mic D3 Pro, which is potentially better then the NTG at a lower cost (at least here in germany, the NTG is a good 60Euro more expensive then the Deity V-Mic D3 Pro). Not only are you going to safe some money compared to my setup if you go with the Rode or Deity, but you`ll avoid the step of syncing the audio to the video, which can be an issue for some software. But, if you have to work a lot with the audio mixing and mastering, the Tascam DR60MkII + Rode NTG2 (or any other prosumer grade shotgun mic) combo delivers higher quality audio that is easier to manipulate. I have to cut out a lot of room sound, DeEss the audio and do some EQ, the 24Bit 48khz WAV files from my Tascam allow that easily. That would be a bigger issue with the audiofiles coming straight out of the camera. Bit of a long answer but I think I gave you a good amount of pros/cons :D
@@ArikGST thank you! I currently own the diety smic 2s and run it straight into my Sony alpha with a cheap little inline preamp. So a bit of a hybrid set up. I was planning to buy a higher end recorder like your tascam in the future. But was considering selling it for a simpler Videomic NTG or Vmic D3 Pro. I guess what you have highlighted is that the real difference will be in levels of post processing ability of each type of setup. Thank you very much for the long answe!
@@Nickporter17 Glad I could help. Since you already have a high end microphone, the Diety Smic 2s is a GREAT mic, it might be worth to go with a recorder to use that mic to it`s full potential. Really depends on what kind of video you want to make though. For most RUclipsrs who make vlogs/talking-head/sitting-down/overhead-shot type of videos (like mine) something like a Deity Vmic D3 (not pro) would likely serve all their needs as long as you get the mic nice and close to your source. But honestly it would be a shame to let go of the Smic2s, maybe it would be enough to use a higher quality inline Preamp. I am not up to date on preamps so I can`t make a recommendation.
If you take the extended cable issue out of the equation and wish to use this as an indoor stationary boom mic would you still pick a super-cardioid over this or Deity to avoid sound bounced off the walls?
Hi Zach, given the choice and assuming money is not a barrier, I'd almost always choose to use a non-shotgun super-cardioid when recording indoors. But if money is a consideration, and it almost always is, I'd think either the VideoMic NTG or D3 Pro will do a nice job, especially if you manage any room reverb with blankets.
I don't get why they make a mic in 2020 that have those two limitations on the battery. Either give me battery read-out or let me swap the battery. Missing both options is annoying.
And what's worse is if there's an issue with the battery it's a disaster for the recall just ask Samsung. We should pass some sort of requirement that requires all batteries be removable for recycling and safety purposes, if it's not totally impractical for the design of the product although that would make nice loophole.
Thanks for the video. I have watched a few videos of yours so far. They are all professional, and very well done. The content is also very professional.
Hey everyone, I have a simple question. I have a small budget and needed a low-cost mic that I could use to boom. Will the Rode video mic go work well?
Check out the Rode VideoMicro too. It's cheaper and from what I've seen is much more highly regarded. I have it and I think it sounds great boomed. I have a video on my channel actually.
Just purchased one after seeing your review. Looks like a nice upgrade to our gen 1 Rode Videomic Pro. Will be a nice additional on-camera mic to our main mic, an Audio-Technica AT4053B. Very helpful and comprehensive review as always, thanks Curtis. p.s. We purchased two of your audio courses and they're excellent, thanks for that too.
Informative video! I’ve been using the mic since early spring and I’ve been very satisfied with it. Yes the output is balanced, but just fine for my needs with both my Sony ZV-1, my iPad Pro, my M1 Mac mini, and my iPhone when I need it; it’s all about the versatility and portability. I did mention to RODE about the non-replaceable battery, but then I was told that it was one good reason why you register the mic for the 10-year warranty. If it believes in this product that much, I can see myself using this for years. Again, thanks!
@@curtisjudd I’ve been tapped by a local non-profit I work with to video their pickleball tournament next week and I didn’t have a decent shotgun mic, this one is really great for the job.
Fantastic review as always. My one concern is does that dial move really easily? I’m afraid I would actually turn it without realizing it with my forehead or something.
Not only a great review, but also a great opportunity learning about sound and recording! I now use the Deity D3 Pro - the replacement for my lost RODE VideoMic Pro+ - and I'm really satisfied w it! Only thing I still miss is the auto on/off feature from the Rode Mic...yes, I've recorded w mic OFF...not good. I think the D3 Pro is better than RODE VMP+, and the NTG a competitor to the D3 Pro
Curtis, thanks for the great reviews. Starting to pay much more attention to sound really appreciate your detailed reviews and knowledge, refreshing. I don’t always have the luxury of having an audio guy on smaller projects.
Thanks for another great review, Curtis. One of the great things about having so many microphone reviews from you is that I know your voice very well and can compare vs. the reviews in separate videos :)
I received mine today and looking forward to trying it out soon. Thank you, Curtis, for making this great review video. Cheers from Western Australia (Not affected by the terrible at my home)
Curtis, man... I've been clicking through review after review of this mic, observing my patience wane in inverse proportion to the frequency and intensity of my cringes. So many reviewers out there-God bless them- lack the practical experience and theoretical knowledge necessary to bring a review to life. By contrast your reviews always deliver. You tend to anticipate my questions about specs, applications, techniques, comparisons, etc. The last guy had this drum loop going and he kept clipping the mic and butchering technical terms... I literally sighed in relief when this video started.
Wow. You are so generous with your time. Thank you. Curious if I can record from both the 3.5mm and the USB connections at the same time? I do a lot of zoom, so I’d like to use USB for that, but run the 3.5 to an external recorder like the ATEM Mini. Thanks much! (Oh, bonus: if the usb is used, I assume that will keep it charged while I’m meeting with folks)
Hi Shawn, sorry it took a while to get back, but I just had a chance to test and yes, you can run the mic via USB to computer and output the 3.5mm out to a camera at the same time.
23:43 what do you think "if they do have something planned in the works" could be ❓ would be great to get a balanced output from this microphone 😁 thank you again curtis for your time and effort, i always find myself coming back to your videos
They released it. It is called the VXLR Pro and it is a true, transformer balancing XLR adapter: B&H, DVE Store geni.us/x9icPf Full disclosure: This is an affiliate link. I earn from qualifying purchases.
Great thoughtful review. Just subscribed. Looking for an on camera mic to improve my video’s quality and torn between the NTG and the Sennheiser MKE600
If you prefer the sound of the MKE600, you should definitely opt for it. Some of this is subjective. What I was thinking is that these two microphones are for different scenarios: RODE for cameras with 3.5mm inputs, MKE600 for cameras with XLR inputs. I assumed that your camera has a 3.5mm input? I personally have not had great results converting an XLR microphone to 3.5mm without a mixer in between the two.
Curtis, great video as always. Still hoping to see a diagram to see if the VideoMic NTG has a polar pattern that shows smooth off-axis response when boomed just above me in my home studio. The Røde NTG5 as we know is a Super-Cardioid Mic, so leaning a little bit off-axis is okay. Thanks again, brother.
Hi Curtis, firstly, thank you for your amazingly useful videos. You are always my first port of call if I have a question. I have recently changed from a lav. Mic to the Rode NTG. I do painting tutorials with an overhead camera and I intend to have the NTG above my head. I am recording into a Zoom H5 using the XLR input. I am used to using the dials on the H5 to set my levels so that they don’t clip. Do I need to use the ‘gain’ control on the back of the NTG and if so, what does it do that the H5 is not doing already? I hope this makes sense. I have very little knowledge of using audio but have always managed up to now, probably more from luck! Thank you Curtis.
This mic is designed to feed directly to camera if you’d like to simplify your setup (and not have to use the H5) which is probably what I’d do unless your camera doesn’t have a 3.5mm mic input? If you do that, then I’d set the camera’s mic input to its lowest setting and then slowly increase the gain dial on the NTG until the audio meters on camera top out around -12dB.
Hey Curtis I was waiting for you to do this video. I have always been a Rode fan boy and was disappointed that I had to buy the Deity D3 pro as it was the best option at the time. I do wish I had waited a couple of months for the Rode NTG. Oh well that's life, I guess the D3 pro will still do a good job. Great video as always. You're the only RUclipsr I just on audio issues. HAPPY NEW YEAR to.
Very good review. I was considering the VideoMIc Pro+ but this seems a better fit for me. I also plan to use a Zoom H1n as a recorder and assume this will work well in that scenario?
Good afternoon Curtis: Thank you very much again for your many helpful responses to my comments. Before I buy the Rode Videomic NTG that you suggested, I wanted to ask a few things. (I shoot talking head videos in my office. I am going to use a boom stand and put the mic a few inches above my head, out of frame. My office has thin carpet and some furniture. I shoot with the Sony ZV1. I got the Sony so that I don't need someone watching the video during the shoot to make sure that it is on.) You previously recommended the Rode Videomic NTG to me based on the above, but I wasn’t sure if you recommended that because you thought I was on a budget. Assume budget is not an issue. I don’t currently use an audio recorder. You mentioned that the Videomic NTG isn't good for long cable runs. I assume that wiring this mic to a boom pole and to my Sony ZV1 isn't a "long cable run" for a talking head in my small office, correct? You mentioned something about the comparable Deity D3 Pro being better for a wired boom stand. However, I'm not sure what you meant. And yes, I will use your affiliate link to whichever shotgun mic, boom stand and extension cable that I buy. Thanks again for your Lupo bicolor soft light recommendation. It arrives Monday.
Hi JZ helps, correct - just a short run to the end of a boom pole in a small office shouldn't create a big risk of picking up interference. DEITY claimed that the D3 Pro's included XLR adapter converts the signal to a balanced signal which generally enables longer cable runs - 50+ feet, for example. But on closer inspection, it looks like it may only be impedance balanced and not the typical transformer balanced we'd expect for long cable runs. In any case, the VM NTG seems like a good fit for your use case.
@@curtisjudd Thanks again! Hopefully, just one final question. Will I notice an big improvement by using the Rode VM NTG (boomed overhead) instead using the the Azden EX-507 XD Professional Lapel Mic for Pro XD (costs $39.00), or the lapel mic that came with my Comica CVM-WM300(A) wireless system? Thanks!
@@RealJustinZiegler It will definitely sound different, the main thing I'm wondering is whether it will sound better which depends largely on your room and how it sounds - how much reverberation and ambient noise there is.
Curtis Judd Their is an AC vent above me that produces a little noise of air blowing. I have some thin carpet, but I can buy a few foam panels or whatever is best for the wall.
Curtis Judd From what I see, why do most talking head indoor seated videos from the popular RUclips influencers use overhead shotgun mics instead of lapels?
@@curtisjudd received a pair I ordered today after almost 6 months of delay due to the pandemic. Thank you again for your reviews. You're making the decision making aspect a lot easier. :)
Top review! After listening to multiple comparison reviews, including yours, I was under the impression that the noise floor of the Rode NTG to be lower than that of the Deity D3, despite specs claiming the opposite (-79 dB vs -84 dB). However, your quantified comparison seems to confirm again that the Rode is indeed less noisy (-77dB vs -69 dB)! This makes me think that Rode has been playing fairer game in their product specifications. As for the balanced output on the Deity, I actually couldn't find any confirmation on this, neither on Deity's website, nor in any of their manuals. The only thing I can find on Deity's website and manual is that it generates "dual mono tracks", which is not necessary balanced (and likely not, if it's not specified and if it's designed for an unbalanced stereo input as found on most cameras), the latter of which is distinctive for containing tracks of opposite sign that are otherwise identical, which are to be subtracted from each other in order to eliminate built up noise. The adapter you mention seems to convert phantom power to "plug-in" power. I believe that also Rode provides a similar adapter, it is just not advertised as a set for the NTG. However, I would be surprised if these adapters manage to transform an unbalanced signal to a balanced signal. This transformation requires more than a few wires, and is typically achieved with a DI box. Having said that, if a DI box or audio interface is not available in proximity of the microphone, the NTG actually seems to offer more flexibility for distant recordings than the Deity. Firstly, as you have demonstrated in your review, the NTG seems to be less susceptible to RF interference, making it more suitable for wireless set-ups. Secondly, since the NTG has its own encoder, it is possible to transmit the recordings digitally over USB. Whereas the quality will now also be limited by the 48kHz encoder, I guess that it is still better than that found in a phone, laptop or motherboard, although I couldn't find much specifications on it. Anyway, you have demonstrated that it is not too bad and certainly good enough for a microphone of this caliber, which was also very helpful!
Thanks for the input MrSeppieD. When I looked into it further, the DEITY adapter evidently does impedance balancing which is different than sending the same signal phase inverted on the second pin. In either case, one should use a DI box if long cable runs are required. Thanks for the insights!
The 3.5mm output jack... Could one put a splitter on it to monitor the audio going into their camera? Or would they get a misconception of what the camera was really recording? I have an older camera without a headphone jack and it would be nice to monitor the audio. Perfect timing of the Dump truck at 5:38 btw. NO...Serious! Real world review and application at its finest. Excellent Review as always! Thanks Curtis. -Will
Theoretically yes however passive headphones can act as a microphone and also a load on the circuit, try it see how it sounds Make some noise and see if it messes up the recording. Nothing will be damaged by doing that other than making a bad recording because the levels will be way off as you're essentially putting a resistor across your microphone. Now if you were to do this with a headphone amplifier or active headphones you might have better luck. However a better solution would be to get one of those little battery powered camera mixers to solve the issue altogether, or perhaps a field recorder that mounts to the camera that way you'll have a backup recording.
I was thinking of a passive microphone. for an active microphone you're essentially dealing with a sort of line level signal which is a little bit easier to deal with and that case I would still use like a headphone amplifier or a active set of headphones or better in my other comment... either way everything pretty much holds true.
@@Debtfreehomesteaders Battery-powered microphone + recorder + Headphones = 3 microphones, decent close speech, would not recommend. Battery-powered microphone + recorder + HPAmp&Headphones = no noticeable difference. Test was performed using 2 Neewer mics NW-D20 & Cardioid/Omni Condenser 40095448, Sony MDR-V150, FIIO E7 ( low volume ) various ebay DIY modules - headphone amplifier TDA130, line pre-amplifier, dynamic microphone amplifier ( Good, GooD, GOOD volume ). Recorder was an iPod Nano using a Griffin Voice recorder set too high quality 44,100 and Mic input. I wouldn't recommend it if you were dealing with quiet signals. although my tests were quite clear and I wasn't pushing the distance, loudness or quietness. just a casual chat with myself. Ever since I saw the question I was like, I have all the stuff kicking around and it wouldn't be that hard to test it. I've more or less wanted to know the answer to this question anyway this just gave me a reason to find out. Looks like I beat you to it? I would recommend a headphone amp something not in the hi-fi $$$$$$$$$ category but with a decent output. I haven't tried them but I've heard good things about the Boostaroo unfortunately I don't think they exist any longer. and some sort of in line volume control either added after that or on the headphone cable, if the amplifier doesn't come with a volume control. After that it's just a matter of making the connections, so a double ender 3.5 and a Y.
Hi Curtis great video, I wonder what would you suggest - for capturing like cooking or recipe videos? the goal is to capture you know cutting of onions , cooking process and others plus the most directional mic ( cancelling or minimal background noises like kids shouting) we aleady placed our mic close enough to the food. Considering Rode videomic NTG or other NTG mics from rode or other brands. Thanks
Thanks for this great video. If the Rode VideoMic NTG converts the analog signal into digital signal then a 32-bit float with a audio recorder doesn´t make that much sense anymore? Meaning the audio recorder - even with 32-bit float - would not be able to change a bad, cliped digitalized signal. Whereas an analog signal will never be cliped with 32-bit float?
Yes, and I think that the Rode VXLR might provide plug-in power to give a balanced signal, making it still a cheaper option than its larger NTG siblings. Any thoughts? Would the VXLR adapter work?
Hi Adam, that's an Aputure COB120D II with barn doors which create the shaft of light along the concrete wall. We talk a bit about it here: ruclips.net/video/wBFMZb56td8/видео.html
Great review Curtis, I was waiting for this! Is the following possible: Connect USB-C to a smartphone as a mic and then also use the 3.5mm jack as headphone output. Basically the usb mic feature for computers, does that work on mobile devices as well when connected digitally instead of analog.
Thanks to the standard USB audio profile it should work across pretty much anything since it is only a 2 channel device. Of course you'll need the camera adapter with iPhones and like. I go that route and use a DAC when I want a headphone jack or line out on those newfangled iPhones without headphone jacks...
@@curtisjudd I plug a lot of stuff in to sound systems. I came to the conclusion that the FiioE7 would work reasonably well with my iPad and then a few weeks later Apple announced the death of the headphone connector. and a few weeks after that I was doing sound for a band at a party and i was presented with "play this off my phone". And normally I could use the headphone jack but you end up turning the volume all the way up and then when you plug in headphones it blasts your eardrums, so I always try to prefer useing a line out cable if I can. Then there's also only one volume knob on the mixer.
Thanks so much, Curtis. Very helpful. I had never really considered the Diety V-mic. So, after using for a while, price point being fairly equal, which one would you buy if you had to start from scratch?
@@curtisjudd Curtis, I have a question: since it is a mono mic it just records only one channel right? Because thats whats happening with this new Mic! Doesn’t matter if attached to my Nikon Z7 nor my Ninja V. I can only record the right channel. I tried the TRRS cable but also several TRS cables. Any ideas or is my unit defective…? Thanks in advance!
@@andreathode3782 It has been a long while but I thought it outputs the same signal on both right and left channels except when in safety track mode and then the right channel is the same audio but at a lower level. Sounds like you may want to contact RODE support. Best wishes!
Was looking forward to your review specifically before buying this. Thank you very much! Do you have recommendations for a microphone for recording wildlife in the field? Watched your sound shark review, but I'm still unsure if it's the best option out there.
Hi Matthew, this did decently versus the Sound Shark. But If you’re looking for a lot of “reach,” is look at long shotgun mics like the NTG8 or larger parabolic mics.
What's the distance at which you'll be recording most often? Parabolic dish mics are the absolute best for long range/pinpoint audio capture, shotgun mics work well for less nuanced/mid-range work, but a twin pair of cardioid pencil mics would be best if you are looking to record that aesthetic of "being in nature". That last option will definitely force you to be more adventurous when it comes to searching for the best place to capture audio.
@@Brown-Bird Pencil mics are useful to have in your mic armory. Not much useful for long distance anything, but amazing at short distances and small spaces. The Samson C02 pair, which I own, were reviewed by Curtis a few years ago (as well as a handful of other mic channels) and are a good place to start.
Hi Curtis, Thank you for the effort you put into these videos! Even video's like this which is a review about a specific product, you still manage to make them very informative. I've learn't a lot about audio watching your videos recently. So I've just got a quick question about using mic's plugged directly into the BMPCC. I'm getting really low levels on mine, I've tried a few different on camera shotgun mics, and Adjusted the levels on the camera. Do you have any tips for this?
Hi Joe, yes, the Pocket cinema cameras, even the newer 4K and 6K, do not supply a lot of gain so you generally have to run the input levels pretty high - easily in the 90+ range. If you're working with a microphone which doesn't have a really strong output level, then there's a need to push them even higher. To be honest, I generally view the inputs on the Pocket cams as an option to use in a pinch or to take a line level signal from a dedicated audio recorder or preamp/mixer. In short, your experience is completely in line with my experience with the BMD cameras across the product line. Out of curiosity, which microphone are you using? And to confirm, you're working with the original pocket cine cam?
@@curtisjudd I'm using the pocket 6k, and tried with a Rode Videomic Pro and a pro + I've just ordered the Deity D3 Pro, which I will be using on the Blackmagic as well as sometimes using it on a boom recording into a H4n. I was planning to wait for the rode videomic NTG but it's not out yet here in the UK and I need a mic for an upcoming shoot. I was just interested because the audio sounded really good with all the mics you'd tested straight into the blackmagic but good to hear that I'm not doing something wrong in camera. Thanks for the response!
Hey Curtis, thanks for that awesome review. I have a question regarding your con for the unbalanced output. Do you have a number for the maximum cable length without any interference issues? Do you think a 5m 3,5mm cable from amazon will work? Thank you and best wishes from Berlin :)
This was a great video. Very informative and the comparisons were helpful. Could you elaborate on what you mean by it maybe not doing too well in high humidity situations? My job takes me all over and there's definitely some humid environments. Thank you!
Thanks. I was referring to beaches, rain forests and the like. Any situation where there's a good chance that moisture will condense on the microphone capsule, especially such as when leaving your air-conditioned lodgings and working outdoors.
Hi Curtis. Great channel and big fan of your work. I know you are the guru when it comes to mics so wanted to run a question by you. I have the videomic ntg and a pansonic s5 but am having issues with the mic recognising my camera and working. It does eventually work with a mixture of turning everything on and off or taking out the battery but I do struggle with this. Have you heard anything? Its almost as if the rode takes a while recognosing it is connected to my camera. I know it has an auto detect and shut down feature but maybe these two are not talking very well to one another. I have updated to the latest software plus the mic input options on the panasonic are set to 'mic input (plug in power)' it does not work with my other two options which are 'mic' and 'line' so my only option is 'mic input' Thanks.
Hi Carl, thanks. I am not sure, but perhaps test with a different cable to see if that makes a difference. Often, cables are the first thing to experience issues.
Wonderful. Also love the eco friendly thought at the end just cause most would not think of that and every little bit counts. Would the Diety XLR adapter work with the Rode giving you balanced out?;)
Like the review, I have several Rode Microphones and very happy with them but this microphone having a internal battery stops me from even thinking about buying.
Amazing review! Currently the videomic nTg and NTG4+ are roughly the same price here in Australia. I’m trying to find a microphone to record live music at gigs and concerts direct in to my a7iii. If roughly the same price would you recommend one over the other if they are both going into a 3.5mm cable directly into the camera (obviously the NTG4 plus would be going through a xlr to 3.5mm adaptor). Thanks again for all the work you put into your reviews!
Hey Tyler, I'd go for the the VideoMic NTG in that case. The NTG4+ has a really weak output signal that doesn't work really well when converted from XLR to 3.5mm. Happy recording!
Man... the sheer quality of production and the knowledge is just off the charts! Bravo!
Thanks arfmf!
I had some noise on mine, and then they released a firmware update.. fixed it. Love how they can just update the mic's sound profile with firmware.
That is pretty interesting that they could reduce self-noise with a firmware update! Happy new year, Tommy!
Thx a ton for this comment had no idea about firmware updates. Was getting an unacceptable hiss when using this mic attached to the iphone 11 / filmic pro and it was seriously upsetting me. I would have returned it if the hiss couldn't be fixed. Just updated the firmware and thank god it fixed the issue! And also awesome review!
@@tihkal Yes, thanks Tommy!
@@curtisjudd yes i have heard this in the comments in an older review. people claimed the firmware fixed the noise issue
@@RayValdezPhotography So happy I read this! I was about to return it. Gonna update firmware now and hopefully this fixes my hissing problem.
Do you know how great it is when you have something new to learn about and a Curtis Judd video pops up?! It's the best.
Thanks Tom, very much appreciate it!
One of the most well presented reviews I've seen in a long time, thank you, just subscribed
Thanks Jesswah.
absolutely agree. this is a fantastic review. comprehensive and well presented.
I have the Deity V-Mic D3 Pro and it's crazy on how much the VideoMic NTG is a like. I think both are better then the VideoMic Pro+ but that's a good point on the clipping possibility. NTG is a little more but you get more for that money. If those extras mean nothing to you, than I say stick with the D3 Pro and save some money. Great job Curtis!
Thanks Corey!
I've learned 90%+ of what I know about audio from Curtis. Just bought a handful of the equipment listed on the how to boom video. Going to level up audio very soon! Thank you Curtis!
Thanks Brendan, I hope it all works well and happy recording!
Thank you for doing an honest and unbiased review that aims to inform, instead of pushing people towards affiliate links. I really appreciate that. When it comes to audio you're one of very few people on RUclips I trust to give proper advice. The NTG seems like a great mic, although my VideoMicro is surprisingly good for what I do. Might be tempted to pick up the NTG at a later date, though. Have an amazing New Year!
Thanks for the feedback!
Yes, and when you consider that you could probably stick the Rode VXLR adapter on the end of it to get that balanced output? Would that be the case?
Thanks for posting it Curtis. I was waiting for your review since the launch of this NTG, and from the time you left your comment on the official RODE promo.
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Top notch video as always Curtis. Thanks for all that you do, and a very happy New Year to you! I hope 2020 is amazing for you.
Thanks Bandrew, happy new year to you! 🎆
World's are colliding. My two favorite mic reviewers! You guys are awesome!
I have some mic reviews I need to do so IF you see maybe some tests inspired by your videos...yes they were and I'll make sure to let people know they were also. I better go film those now. 😂
@@joentell Show us some microphone magic, Joe!
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Happy new year to the both of you in 2022!
Stellar work as always, Curtis, so thank you. You’re making it very much easier for us little guys to make informed purchasing decisions.
Now I’d like to see a video of you at work on an actual corporate shoot; a ‘behind the scenes’ look at how you select the area to shoot in, the gear selection, setup, conducting interviews, collecting B-roll and so on. It would also be great to hear your thoughts on how to get into this line of work and what the considerations are. Maybe this exists in your online classes, but just thought I’d mention it.
Thanks!
Thanks UltrafiAV. I started at my employer 13 years ago as a product business analyst - it is a software company - and slowly over the years became the videographer. Up until the Pandemic, I made mostly internal videos which they didn't want to go to the public but perhaps after the pandemic settles, we can do something like this. Thanks again!
Fantastic review my friend. I think you've taught me the most about audio than anyone I know. Have a great new year!
Thanks Tomas! Happy new year to you!
Ditto to this!
@@mattgray128 Thanks Matt! 👍
Great video, Curtis! Is it just the XLR adapter that makes the Deity balanced? If so, could we just use the Deity XLR adapter on the RODE and make it balanced that way? Thanks.
Hi Gerald, no, the microphone has to support a balanced signal. Or you can use a DI box to convert to a balanced signal but those are generally pretty bulky.
Those adapters are generally passive but there are some that do plug-in power conversion that are more expensive. I have also seen some with built in Transformers which would make the signal a balanced send but they are hard to find. If only manufactured listed their doctors with more than the incoming and outgoing connector!
@Ben Hoare It will convert the voltage, yes. It will not make it a truly balanced signal from my understanding.
@Ben Hoare Thanks, I'll have a read of that.
Looks like Rode now sell a gadget called "VXLR Pro" that does have a transformer balanced output and will provide "plug in power" voltage for mics that require it. Handy little device well worth what they are asking for it.
The gain dial and using the NTG as a USB mic are two features that make it a worthwhile upgrade from the Pro+ to me. My only peeve is that there be some way to check how much battery life remains. Maybe the light starts flashing when the battery is low? Great review, Curtis. You are the Audio Guru Jedi Master, for sure.
Thanks Todd!
Comment to show the algorithm hay great is this video. I have been looking for mics for 2 months but every video or review i see is subjective. The work showed on this video with the real tests is just grate. Thanks a lot, i probably get the NTG
Thanks Luis.
Wow, this review was fantastic, helpful, and educational - thanks!
Thanks Ben.
Very good explanation on how the high pass filters at 75 and 150 hertz work. The instruction manual didn't have much detail into what these numbers meant. Thank you for this video.
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Great video as always Curtis. To my ears it sounds like you really can't go very wrong with any of those 3 mics. If you have the Pro Plus or the D3 Pro I'm not sure I see a compelling reason to go out and also buy the VideoMic NTG unless the USB C functionality is important to you.
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whats the benefit of the USB-c?
I think Curtis knows what his gift is. Great channel and review!
Thanks for watching, Adam.
I finally bought one. This is an odd little mic. The “gain” control is a bit misleading. It does not control the mic preamp gain. It appears to be a digital output level volume control. You can hear little “ticks” as you change it indicating it is NOT an analog controller. I believe the mic gain is probably fixed at 50-60dB gain (amplification) with the addition of selectable 20dB attenuation before the preamp.
Still, in the end it works well. Simply set your camera to it’s lowest setting and turn the dial on the back end of the mic until you reach the desired level. Remember to use that -20 dB option in a loud environment. I love the auto power feature. For the price a furry wind cover should be included. The foam does not do much in the wind.
And it gets even more odd when used over USB on a computer. You can use it for audio in and out, but there is no way to turn the mic off. You can always hear it.
Thanks for the clarification, Ed.
Hello Chris, I’ve now owned my NTG for the past 3 weeks and LOVE IT 👍🏻, the audio features on this mic have the ability to dial in the settings to suit whatever is needed to capture brilliant sound. Thank You for producing this video review ✌🏻 Cheers from Wild Western Australia
Hi iSpike , so good to hear it’s working well! Keep making great sound!
Love how Rode's nomenclature adds NT on the end, so their mikes are names after rats, and their families. :)
Only just found that out recently!
Write out Rode, and add NT.
Yep.
Just... wow! Quality production, review and comparisons between the microphones. Great job!
Thanks Carsten.
I have been waiting for this video for 2 week, best channel for light and sound education on the internet! Now I can make a decision, thanks for the help 🙏
You're most welcome - best wishes! 👍
It's cold and you're booming yourself. Kudos! Thanks for creating this review.
Hahaha! The show must go on, regardless of the weather!
So would the recommended workflow be to always record the two versions of audio to right and left channel (one at higher db and one at lower) and then discard the one that's not needed, and use the best version and then sync it over right and left channels? Or is that just a needlessly complicated workflow, and the two versions is only needed for certain difficult audio environments?
I usually don't and just save it for tricky situations where I'm not sure how loud things are going to get.
@@curtisjudd Thanks for the reply!
@@curtisjudd I am confused if the NTGs safety channel works with the pocket 4K? I do not know which setting to use. Rather I "manually" choose 3,5mm left and right to 1 and 2. Where channel 2 is set to 30% gain instead of 50.
Is this wrong? or how its supposed to be used on the pocket(or any cine-camera for that matter)?
@@Mastersh1t It does work with the pocket 4k. You need to set the camera so that the left channel is set to 3.5mm mic left and the right channel is set to 3.5mm mic right. You'll then have the primary track on the left and the safety track on the right in the camera files.
@@curtisjudd Thank you for the quick reply Curtis! I thought that as well but when I pulled the file into Final cut I couldnt see any difference in the audio waves. They looked identical. Thats why I lowered the gain on the right channel so I could feel confident one channel was lower than the other. I will give it a try tomorrow again and see if I missed anything.
This is one of the most comprehensive reviews I’ve ever seen. Hat’s off to you, subscribed!
Thanks David!
This would have been an interesting option now that I have a Camera that actually has good preamps. But too late, I am committed to the Tascam DR60MkII and Rode NTG2 now xD
Not a bad combo!
Hey wonder what you think the differences would be between your set up and the videomic ntg? I'm debating a similar set up vs the ntg?
@@Nickporter17 If you have a Canon or Nikon Camera, the NTG is gonna be an issue. If you have a Sony or Panasonic, the NTG is gonna easily deliver enough quality for RUclips and safe you a decent amount of money compared to my setup. But personally I would go with the Deity V-Mic D3 Pro, which is potentially better then the NTG at a lower cost (at least here in germany, the NTG is a good 60Euro more expensive then the Deity V-Mic D3 Pro). Not only are you going to safe some money compared to my setup if you go with the Rode or Deity, but you`ll avoid the step of syncing the audio to the video, which can be an issue for some software. But, if you have to work a lot with the audio mixing and mastering, the Tascam DR60MkII + Rode NTG2 (or any other prosumer grade shotgun mic) combo delivers higher quality audio that is easier to manipulate. I have to cut out a lot of room sound, DeEss the audio and do some EQ, the 24Bit 48khz WAV files from my Tascam allow that easily. That would be a bigger issue with the audiofiles coming straight out of the camera. Bit of a long answer but I think I gave you a good amount of pros/cons :D
@@ArikGST thank you! I currently own the diety smic 2s and run it straight into my Sony alpha with a cheap little inline preamp. So a bit of a hybrid set up. I was planning to buy a higher end recorder like your tascam in the future. But was considering selling it for a simpler Videomic NTG or Vmic D3 Pro. I guess what you have highlighted is that the real difference will be in levels of post processing ability of each type of setup. Thank you very much for the long answe!
@@Nickporter17 Glad I could help. Since you already have a high end microphone, the Diety Smic 2s is a GREAT mic, it might be worth to go with a recorder to use that mic to it`s full potential. Really depends on what kind of video you want to make though. For most RUclipsrs who make vlogs/talking-head/sitting-down/overhead-shot type of videos (like mine) something like a Deity Vmic D3 (not pro) would likely serve all their needs as long as you get the mic nice and close to your source. But honestly it would be a shame to let go of the Smic2s, maybe it would be enough to use a higher quality inline Preamp. I am not up to date on preamps so I can`t make a recommendation.
You are one of the best reviewers I have ever seen. Keep up the good work. You taught me a lot about audio and lighting.
Thanks Govind!
If you take the extended cable issue out of the equation and wish to use this as an indoor stationary boom mic would you still pick a super-cardioid over this or Deity to avoid sound bounced off the walls?
Hi Zach, given the choice and assuming money is not a barrier, I'd almost always choose to use a non-shotgun super-cardioid when recording indoors. But if money is a consideration, and it almost always is, I'd think either the VideoMic NTG or D3 Pro will do a nice job, especially if you manage any room reverb with blankets.
Very, very well done, as usual, Curtis, Thank you for making this video. It was very interesting and informative as usual. Have a great day!
Thanks Michael.
I don't get why they make a mic in 2020 that have those two limitations on the battery. Either give me battery read-out or let me swap the battery. Missing both options is annoying.
Thanks for the feedback! I hope they see it here.
And what's worse is if there's an issue with the battery it's a disaster for the recall just ask Samsung. We should pass some sort of requirement that requires all batteries be removable for recycling and safety purposes, if it's not totally impractical for the design of the product although that would make nice loophole.
Thanks for the video. I have watched a few videos of yours so far. They are all professional, and very well done. The content is also very professional.
Thanks, Frank!
Hey everyone, I have a simple question. I have a small budget and needed a low-cost mic that I could use to boom. Will the Rode video mic go work well?
It works! Use that!
James D. Buzzard Thank you for you response!
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Check out the Rode VideoMicro too. It's cheaper and from what I've seen is much more highly regarded. I have it and I think it sounds great boomed. I have a video on my channel actually.
The best part of this video is you with those sun glasses & of course awesome review!!
Thanks crisanto!
I learn as much from just the way you create your videos as I do from your intended subject matter. Thanks for both information sources.
Thanks Andrew!
Just purchased one after seeing your review. Looks like a nice upgrade to our gen 1 Rode Videomic Pro. Will be a nice additional on-camera mic to our main mic, an Audio-Technica AT4053B. Very helpful and comprehensive review as always, thanks Curtis. p.s. We purchased two of your audio courses and they're excellent, thanks for that too.
I hope it works well for you!
Curtis is so thorough, upfront and fair! thnks for the help Curtis
Thanks Omar!
Informative video! I’ve been using the mic since early spring and I’ve been very satisfied with it. Yes the output is balanced, but just fine for my needs with both my Sony ZV-1, my iPad Pro, my M1 Mac mini, and my iPhone when I need it; it’s all about the versatility and portability. I did mention to RODE about the non-replaceable battery, but then I was told that it was one good reason why you register the mic for the 10-year warranty. If it believes in this product that much, I can see myself using this for years. Again, thanks!
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This is an outstandingly high quality review. Thank you!
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I may have missed a previous video, but I'm loving this lighting look!
Thanks Dan!
Great review Curtis, I purchased this one using your link. Thanks for the tip on the 10 year warranty if registered.
👍 happy recording, Gary!
@@curtisjudd I’ve been tapped by a local non-profit I work with to video their pickleball tournament next week and I didn’t have a decent shotgun mic, this one is really great for the job.
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Highly comprehensive review. Thank you very much!
Thanks Alexander!
Fantastic review as always. My one concern is does that dial move really easily? I’m afraid I would actually turn it without realizing it with my forehead or something.
No, there’s a very nice amount of smooth resistance. You’d have to press pretty hard against it to accidentally move it.
Not only a great review, but also a great opportunity learning about sound and recording! I now use the Deity D3 Pro - the replacement for my lost RODE VideoMic Pro+ - and I'm really satisfied w it! Only thing I still miss is the auto on/off feature from the Rode Mic...yes, I've recorded w mic OFF...not good. I think the D3 Pro is better than RODE VMP+, and the NTG a competitor to the D3 Pro
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Amazing review. Top notch. Very professional. Best luck.
Thanks!
As usual, great review CJ!!! Thanks again for all of the quality content over the years.
Thanks for the feedback!
This is how you make review videos and that is how you make shotgun mics for intermediate consumers.
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Thanks Curtis for the through review and comparison.
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Great review, thanks for a straight up review with useful demos. I wish everyone did this as well as you do!
Thanks Jim.
Curtis, thanks for the great reviews. Starting to pay much more attention to sound really appreciate your detailed reviews and knowledge, refreshing. I don’t always have the luxury of having an audio guy on smaller projects.
Thanks! Appreciate the feedback!
Thanks for another great review, Curtis. One of the great things about having so many microphone reviews from you is that I know your voice very well and can compare vs. the reviews in separate videos :)
Thanks Barry!
I received mine today and looking forward to trying it out soon. Thank you, Curtis, for making this great review video. Cheers from Western Australia (Not affected by the terrible at my home)
Hope it works well for you! Cheers from the Rocky Mountains
Curtis, man... I've been clicking through review after review of this mic, observing my patience wane in inverse proportion to the frequency and intensity of my cringes. So many reviewers out there-God bless them- lack the practical experience and theoretical knowledge necessary to bring a review to life. By contrast your reviews always deliver. You tend to anticipate my questions about specs, applications, techniques, comparisons, etc. The last guy had this drum loop going and he kept clipping the mic and butchering technical terms... I literally sighed in relief when this video started.
Thanks Hermiel - that made my day!
@@curtisjudd Brother, that's the least I can do!
As usual, great video. Thanks, Curtis!
Thanks Denis!
Wow. You are so generous with your time. Thank you. Curious if I can record from both the 3.5mm and the USB connections at the same time? I do a lot of zoom, so I’d like to use USB for that, but run the 3.5 to an external recorder like the ATEM Mini. Thanks much! (Oh, bonus: if the usb is used, I assume that will keep it charged while I’m meeting with folks)
Hi Shawn, sorry it took a while to get back, but I just had a chance to test and yes, you can run the mic via USB to computer and output the 3.5mm out to a camera at the same time.
Did you ever get this setup working? I’m thinking about doing something similar.
23:43 what do you think "if they do have something planned in the works" could be ❓ would be great to get a balanced output from this microphone 😁 thank you again curtis for your time and effort, i always find myself coming back to your videos
They released it. It is called the VXLR Pro and it is a true, transformer balancing XLR adapter: B&H, DVE Store geni.us/x9icPf
Full disclosure: This is an affiliate link. I earn from qualifying purchases.
Your videos are very helpful! They have helped me make a lot of choices and I appreciate it!
Keep up the good work!
Thanks Taylor!
Great thoughtful review. Just subscribed. Looking for an on camera mic to improve my video’s quality and torn between the NTG and the Sennheiser MKE600
Hi Brendan, I'd opt for the RODE for on-camera use.
Curtis Judd oh really? It seems like the Rode is easier for on camera use but doesn’t sound as natural and full as the 600.
If you prefer the sound of the MKE600, you should definitely opt for it. Some of this is subjective. What I was thinking is that these two microphones are for different scenarios: RODE for cameras with 3.5mm inputs, MKE600 for cameras with XLR inputs. I assumed that your camera has a 3.5mm input? I personally have not had great results converting an XLR microphone to 3.5mm without a mixer in between the two.
Curtis Judd Thanks for that insight! Yes I would have to convert XLR to 3.5.
Really enjoyed your video, always packed with great information!
Sounds good, looks good, smooth editing!
Thanks Walter!
This little guy looks very useful, thanks for the video!
You’re most welcome!
Curtis, great video as always. Still hoping to see a diagram to see if the VideoMic NTG has a polar pattern that shows smooth off-axis response when boomed just above me in my home studio. The Røde NTG5 as we know is a Super-Cardioid Mic, so leaning a little bit off-axis is okay. Thanks again, brother.
Hi Glen, you can see the diagrams over at vmntg.rode.com on the datasheet. Best wishes!
Great review, Curtis. The mic sounds great to my ears. Thanks for the time and work.
Thanks Jorge!
Hi Curtis, firstly, thank you for your amazingly useful videos. You are always my first port of call if I have a question. I have recently changed from a lav. Mic to the Rode NTG. I do painting tutorials with an overhead camera and I intend to have the NTG above my head. I am recording into a Zoom H5 using the XLR input. I am used to using the dials on the H5 to set my levels so that they don’t clip. Do I need to use the ‘gain’ control on the back of the NTG and if so, what does it do that the H5 is not doing already? I hope this makes sense. I have very little knowledge of using audio but have always managed up to now, probably more from luck! Thank you Curtis.
This mic is designed to feed directly to camera if you’d like to simplify your setup (and not have to use the H5) which is probably what I’d do unless your camera doesn’t have a 3.5mm mic input?
If you do that, then I’d set the camera’s mic input to its lowest setting and then slowly increase the gain dial on the NTG until the audio meters on camera top out around -12dB.
@@curtisjudd Thank you so much Curtis, that all makes sense now. I really appreciate your help.
Hey Curtis I was waiting for you to do this video. I have always been a Rode fan boy and was disappointed that I had to buy the Deity D3 pro as it was the best option at the time. I do wish I had waited a couple of months for the Rode NTG. Oh well that's life, I guess the D3 pro will still do a good job. Great video as always. You're the only RUclipsr I just on audio issues. HAPPY NEW YEAR to.
Thanks and Happy Nee Year to you!
Very good review. I was considering the VideoMIc Pro+ but this seems a better fit for me. I also plan to use a Zoom H1n as a recorder and assume this will work well in that scenario?
Yes, the H1n would work nicely with the NTG. Best wishes!
Good afternoon Curtis:
Thank you very much again for your many helpful responses to my comments. Before I buy the Rode Videomic NTG that you suggested, I wanted to ask a few things.
(I shoot talking head videos in my office. I am going to use a boom stand and put the mic a few inches above my head, out of frame. My office has thin carpet and some furniture. I shoot with the Sony ZV1. I got the Sony so that I don't need someone watching the video during the shoot to make sure that it is on.)
You previously recommended the Rode Videomic NTG to me based on the above, but I wasn’t sure if you recommended that because you thought I was on a budget. Assume budget is not an issue. I don’t currently use an audio recorder.
You mentioned that the Videomic NTG isn't good for long cable runs. I assume that wiring this mic to a boom pole and to my Sony ZV1 isn't a "long cable run" for a talking head in my small office, correct?
You mentioned something about the comparable Deity D3 Pro being better for a wired boom stand. However, I'm not sure what you meant.
And yes, I will use your affiliate link to whichever shotgun mic, boom stand and extension cable that I buy.
Thanks again for your Lupo bicolor soft light recommendation. It arrives Monday.
Hi JZ helps, correct - just a short run to the end of a boom pole in a small office shouldn't create a big risk of picking up interference.
DEITY claimed that the D3 Pro's included XLR adapter converts the signal to a balanced signal which generally enables longer cable runs - 50+ feet, for example. But on closer inspection, it looks like it may only be impedance balanced and not the typical transformer balanced we'd expect for long cable runs. In any case, the VM NTG seems like a good fit for your use case.
@@curtisjudd Thanks again! Hopefully, just one final question.
Will I notice an big improvement by using the Rode VM NTG (boomed overhead) instead using the the Azden EX-507 XD Professional Lapel Mic for Pro XD (costs $39.00), or the lapel mic that came with my Comica CVM-WM300(A) wireless system?
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@@RealJustinZiegler It will definitely sound different, the main thing I'm wondering is whether it will sound better which depends largely on your room and how it sounds - how much reverberation and ambient noise there is.
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Their is an AC vent above me that produces a little noise of air blowing. I have some thin carpet, but I can buy a few foam panels or whatever is best for the wall.
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From what I see, why do most talking head indoor seated videos from the popular RUclips influencers use overhead shotgun mics instead of lapels?
Always awesome and comprehensive review! Thanks for sharing Curtis! I bought a pair of the Rode VMP+.
Thanks Homer, good to hear from you!
@@curtisjudd received a pair I ordered today after almost 6 months of delay due to the pandemic. Thank you again for your reviews. You're making the decision making aspect a lot easier. :)
Very good video, Curtis, as always. Keep it up.
Thanks Kamil!
Thanks Curtis, love the sound of the NTG. Can't wait for mine to arrive.
I hope it works well for you!
thank you sir, you really help me a whole lot, you just don't know how much I rely on your extensive knowledge. thanks
Thanks Damen - happy recording!
Top review! After listening to multiple comparison reviews, including yours, I was under the impression that the noise floor of the Rode NTG to be lower than that of the Deity D3, despite specs claiming the opposite (-79 dB vs -84 dB). However, your quantified comparison seems to confirm again that the Rode is indeed less noisy (-77dB vs -69 dB)! This makes me think that Rode has been playing fairer game in their product specifications.
As for the balanced output on the Deity, I actually couldn't find any confirmation on this, neither on Deity's website, nor in any of their manuals. The only thing I can find on Deity's website and manual is that it generates "dual mono tracks", which is not necessary balanced (and likely not, if it's not specified and if it's designed for an unbalanced stereo input as found on most cameras), the latter of which is distinctive for containing tracks of opposite sign that are otherwise identical, which are to be subtracted from each other in order to eliminate built up noise. The adapter you mention seems to convert phantom power to "plug-in" power. I believe that also Rode provides a similar adapter, it is just not advertised as a set for the NTG. However, I would be surprised if these adapters manage to transform an unbalanced signal to a balanced signal. This transformation requires more than a few wires, and is typically achieved with a DI box. Having said that, if a DI box or audio interface is not available in proximity of the microphone, the NTG actually seems to offer more flexibility for distant recordings than the Deity. Firstly, as you have demonstrated in your review, the NTG seems to be less susceptible to RF interference, making it more suitable for wireless set-ups. Secondly, since the NTG has its own encoder, it is possible to transmit the recordings digitally over USB. Whereas the quality will now also be limited by the 48kHz encoder, I guess that it is still better than that found in a phone, laptop or motherboard, although I couldn't find much specifications on it. Anyway, you have demonstrated that it is not too bad and certainly good enough for a microphone of this caliber, which was also very helpful!
Thanks for the input MrSeppieD. When I looked into it further, the DEITY adapter evidently does impedance balancing which is different than sending the same signal phase inverted on the second pin. In either case, one should use a DI box if long cable runs are required. Thanks for the insights!
The 3.5mm output jack... Could one put a splitter on it to monitor the audio going into their camera? Or would they get a misconception of what the camera was really recording? I have an older camera without a headphone jack and it would be nice to monitor the audio. Perfect timing of the Dump truck at 5:38 btw. NO...Serious! Real world review and application at its finest. Excellent Review as always! Thanks Curtis.
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Good question, didn't have a chance to try that. If you've got a splitter, let's try it next time we work on a video. Happy new year!
Theoretically yes however passive headphones can act as a microphone and also a load on the circuit, try it see how it sounds Make some noise and see if it messes up the recording. Nothing will be damaged by doing that other than making a bad recording because the levels will be way off as you're essentially putting a resistor across your microphone. Now if you were to do this with a headphone amplifier or active headphones you might have better luck. However a better solution would be to get one of those little battery powered camera mixers to solve the issue altogether, or perhaps a field recorder that mounts to the camera that way you'll have a backup recording.
I was thinking of a passive microphone. for an active microphone you're essentially dealing with a sort of line level signal which is a little bit easier to deal with and that case I would still use like a headphone amplifier or a active set of headphones or better in my other comment... either way everything pretty much holds true.
@@imark7777777 thanks for your insight. I'll have to experiment. Thanks again!
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@@Debtfreehomesteaders Battery-powered microphone + recorder + Headphones = 3 microphones, decent close speech, would not recommend.
Battery-powered microphone + recorder + HPAmp&Headphones = no noticeable difference.
Test was performed using 2 Neewer mics NW-D20 & Cardioid/Omni Condenser 40095448, Sony MDR-V150, FIIO E7 ( low volume ) various ebay DIY modules - headphone amplifier TDA130, line pre-amplifier, dynamic microphone amplifier ( Good, GooD, GOOD volume ). Recorder was an iPod Nano using a Griffin Voice recorder set too high quality 44,100 and Mic input.
I wouldn't recommend it if you were dealing with quiet signals. although my tests were quite clear and I wasn't pushing the distance, loudness or quietness. just a casual chat with myself.
Ever since I saw the question I was like, I have all the stuff kicking around and it wouldn't be that hard to test it. I've more or less wanted to know the answer to this question anyway this just gave me a reason to find out.
Looks like I beat you to it?
I would recommend a headphone amp something not in the hi-fi $$$$$$$$$ category but with a decent output. I haven't tried them but I've heard good things about the Boostaroo unfortunately I don't think they exist any longer.
and some sort of in line volume control either added after that or on the headphone cable, if the amplifier doesn't come with a volume control.
After that it's just a matter of making the connections, so a double ender 3.5 and a Y.
Another great review, Curtis. I really appreciate the detail and points you make - I always learn something new.
Thanks Michael!
a lot of rumbling on the deity and rode video mic plus on your first outdoor testing listening through my earphones
Good ears!
The Deity is the worst in this case.
ruclips.net/video/c4Pu72J5BRE/видео.html
I'm surpriesed how good the NTG handle it.
Hi Curtis great video, I wonder what would you suggest - for capturing like cooking or recipe videos? the goal is to capture you know cutting of onions , cooking process and others
plus the most directional mic ( cancelling or minimal background noises like kids shouting)
we aleady placed our mic close enough to the food.
Considering Rode videomic NTG or other NTG mics from rode or other brands.
Thanks
How about the RODE NTG5? ruclips.net/video/bv1xUShuUY0/видео.html
Thanks for this great video. If the Rode VideoMic NTG converts the analog signal into digital signal then a 32-bit float with a audio recorder doesn´t make that much sense anymore? Meaning the audio recorder - even with 32-bit float - would not be able to change a bad, cliped digitalized signal. Whereas an analog signal will never be cliped with 32-bit float?
Thanks for the review!
You bet!
Yes, and I think that the Rode VXLR might provide plug-in power to give a balanced signal, making it still a cheaper option than its larger NTG siblings. Any thoughts? Would the VXLR adapter work?
Thank you for this superbly comprehensive review! 🙏🏻
Thanks Cleto.
@@curtisjudd I also watched and enjoyed your clip with Bandrew Scott. It would be great if you guys could get together with Booth Junkie DelGaudio 😉
@@cletotirabassi Consider it done: ruclips.net/video/dsEkZm1xiJA/видео.html
@@curtisjudd Ah, brilliant! Going to watch it asap. I did take a look through your list, but somehow overlooked this.
Hi Curtis, love the presentation. Your background lighting is awesome, any chance that you could share how you do the background light? Cheers!
Hi Adam, that's an Aputure COB120D II with barn doors which create the shaft of light along the concrete wall. We talk a bit about it here: ruclips.net/video/wBFMZb56td8/видео.html
@@curtisjuddthank you so much for replying Curtis. Happy new year to you and your family! Love all your videos!
Excellent video!!! Thanks Curtis 🙌
Thanks Mike!
Wow, that was a thorough review. Nicely done.
Thanks Geoffrey!
I have the rode video mic pro+ pretty excited for this! not sure if I'll upgrade but its awesome
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Great review Curtis, I was waiting for this! Is the following possible: Connect USB-C to a smartphone as a mic and then also use the 3.5mm jack as headphone output.
Basically the usb mic feature for computers, does that work on mobile devices as well when connected digitally instead of analog.
Yes. Can’t speak for the nuances of different phones, but should work.
Thanks to the standard USB audio profile it should work across pretty much anything since it is only a 2 channel device. Of course you'll need the camera adapter with iPhones and like. I go that route and use a DAC when I want a headphone jack or line out on those newfangled iPhones without headphone jacks...
@@imark7777777 Definitely works on iPhone with the camera adapter. Clever idea to use that as a headphone adapter as well. 😀
@@curtisjudd I plug a lot of stuff in to sound systems. I came to the conclusion that the FiioE7 would work reasonably well with my iPad and then a few weeks later Apple announced the death of the headphone connector. and a few weeks after that I was doing sound for a band at a party and i was presented with "play this off my phone". And normally I could use the headphone jack but you end up turning the volume all the way up and then when you plug in headphones it blasts your eardrums, so I always try to prefer useing a line out cable if I can. Then there's also only one volume knob on the mixer.
Thank you! This is a great, straightforward review on this mic.
Thanks rio197.
Thanks so much, Curtis. Very helpful. I had never really considered the Diety V-mic. So, after using for a while, price point being fairly equal, which one would you buy if you had to start from scratch?
Probably the VideoMic NTG.
@@curtisjudd Thanks! Just needed that very slight push ;-)
Been waiting for you to make this video ever since the Rode Videomic NTGwas announced.
Delivered! I wasn’t fast but hopefully thorough. 😀
The safety ch feature is an amazing thing for something so inexpensive. It can really save you from having to reshoot.
Agreed.
Great video, thank you so much!! What tripod would you recommend to boom the mics above your head? Could you please link some?
Thanks - I have a video with links in the description describing what I use and how I set it up: ruclips.net/video/TUEmQBZKoBs/видео.html
Outstanding and very informative review! Chapeau!
Thank you.
@@curtisjudd Curtis, I have a question: since it is a mono mic it just records only one channel right? Because thats whats happening with this new Mic! Doesn’t matter if attached to my Nikon Z7 nor my Ninja V. I can only record the right channel. I tried the TRRS cable but also several TRS cables. Any ideas or is my unit defective…? Thanks in advance!
@@andreathode3782 It has been a long while but I thought it outputs the same signal on both right and left channels except when in safety track mode and then the right channel is the same audio but at a lower level. Sounds like you may want to contact RODE support. Best wishes!
Was looking forward to your review specifically before buying this. Thank you very much! Do you have recommendations for a microphone for recording wildlife in the field? Watched your sound shark review, but I'm still unsure if it's the best option out there.
Hi Matthew, this did decently versus the Sound Shark. But If you’re looking for a lot of “reach,” is look at long shotgun mics like the NTG8 or larger parabolic mics.
What's the distance at which you'll be recording most often?
Parabolic dish mics are the absolute best for long range/pinpoint audio capture, shotgun mics work well for less nuanced/mid-range work, but a twin pair of cardioid pencil mics would be best if you are looking to record that aesthetic of "being in nature".
That last option will definitely force you to be more adventurous when it comes to searching for the best place to capture audio.
@@curtisjudd Thank you very much for your input. I'll do some more research with this in mind.
@@insanejughead Distance varies from 20ft to 100ft usually. I've never heard of the pencil mics so I'll look into those. Thank you!
@@Brown-Bird Pencil mics are useful to have in your mic armory. Not much useful for long distance anything, but amazing at short distances and small spaces.
The Samson C02 pair, which I own, were reviewed by Curtis a few years ago (as well as a handful of other mic channels) and are a good place to start.
By far THE BEST video about this mic!
Just subscribe. Thank you!
Thanks Freddy!
Hi Curtis, Thank you for the effort you put into these videos! Even video's like this which is a review about a specific product, you still manage to make them very informative. I've learn't a lot
about audio watching your videos recently. So I've just got a quick question about using mic's plugged directly into the BMPCC. I'm getting really low levels on mine, I've tried a few different on camera shotgun mics, and Adjusted the levels on the camera. Do you have any tips for this?
Hi Joe, yes, the Pocket cinema cameras, even the newer 4K and 6K, do not supply a lot of gain so you generally have to run the input levels pretty high - easily in the 90+ range. If you're working with a microphone which doesn't have a really strong output level, then there's a need to push them even higher. To be honest, I generally view the inputs on the Pocket cams as an option to use in a pinch or to take a line level signal from a dedicated audio recorder or preamp/mixer. In short, your experience is completely in line with my experience with the BMD cameras across the product line.
Out of curiosity, which microphone are you using? And to confirm, you're working with the original pocket cine cam?
@@curtisjudd I'm using the pocket 6k, and tried with a Rode Videomic Pro and a pro +
I've just ordered the Deity D3 Pro, which I will be using on the Blackmagic as well as sometimes using it on a boom recording into a H4n. I was planning to wait for the rode videomic NTG but it's not out yet here in the UK and I need a mic for an upcoming shoot. I was just interested because the audio sounded really good with all the mics you'd tested straight into the blackmagic but good to hear that I'm not doing something wrong in camera. Thanks for the response!
Thanks Joe. Note that you’ll need a TRS cable to make the D3 Pro recognize and work with the P6K.
Hey Curtis, thanks for that awesome review. I have a question regarding your con for the unbalanced output. Do you have a number for the maximum cable length without any interference issues? Do you think a 5m 3,5mm cable from amazon will work? Thank you and best wishes from Berlin :)
Hi marvinmachts, 5m is usually fine as long as you keep it well away from power cables, power adapters, etc. Best wishes!
Excellent review. Thank you very much! Helped me to make my mind.
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This was a great video. Very informative and the comparisons were helpful. Could you elaborate on what you mean by it maybe not doing too well in high humidity situations? My job takes me all over and there's definitely some humid environments. Thank you!
Thanks. I was referring to beaches, rain forests and the like. Any situation where there's a good chance that moisture will condense on the microphone capsule, especially such as when leaving your air-conditioned lodgings and working outdoors.
Hi Curtis. Great channel and big fan of your work. I know you are the guru when it comes to mics so wanted to run a question by you. I have the videomic ntg and a pansonic s5 but am having issues with the mic recognising my camera and working. It does eventually work with a mixture of turning everything on and off or taking out the battery but I do struggle with this. Have you heard anything? Its almost as if the rode takes a while recognosing it is connected to my camera. I know it has an auto detect and shut down feature but maybe these two are not talking very well to one another. I have updated to the latest software plus the mic input options on the panasonic are set to 'mic input (plug in power)' it does not work with my other two options which are 'mic' and 'line' so my only option is 'mic input' Thanks.
Hi Carl, thanks. I am not sure, but perhaps test with a different cable to see if that makes a difference. Often, cables are the first thing to experience issues.
Happy new year Curtis! Thanks for the review :) According to you what mic has the best result outdoor between the Deity & the NTG please ? :)
Thanks and happy new year! Let your ears be your guide when you listen to the outdoor samples we did here. I’d probably choose the NTG.
@@curtisjudd Many thanks Curtis, have a nice weekend :)
Wonderful. Also love the eco friendly thought at the end just cause most would not think of that and every little bit counts. Would the Diety XLR adapter work with the Rode giving you balanced out?;)
Thanks Ray. Still need to try out the DEITY adapter and see what we get. :)
Like the review, I have several Rode Microphones and very happy with them but this microphone having a internal battery stops me from even thinking about buying.
Thanks for the feedback, Mark.
I agree the internal non replaceable battery is a no go for me either.
Amazing review! Currently the videomic nTg and NTG4+ are roughly the same price here in Australia. I’m trying to find a microphone to record live music at gigs and concerts direct in to my a7iii. If roughly the same price would you recommend one over the other if they are both going into a 3.5mm cable directly into the camera (obviously the NTG4 plus would be going through a xlr to 3.5mm adaptor).
Thanks again for all the work you put into your reviews!
Hey Tyler, I'd go for the the VideoMic NTG in that case. The NTG4+ has a really weak output signal that doesn't work really well when converted from XLR to 3.5mm. Happy recording!