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  • @Bokesyck
    @Bokesyck  2 месяца назад +6

    What’s y’all’s fav cereal I’ve really been getting into Raisin Bran

  • @lukelaplante6805
    @lukelaplante6805 2 месяца назад +21

    Difference is that in a street fight it matters how much damage you can take and keep fighting but in a tournament it’s just about scoring the point not about hurting the opponent

    • @Bokesyck
      @Bokesyck  2 месяца назад

      @@lukelaplante6805 that’s why I said it’s the best indicator of “skill”

    • @WonderfulAyorinde
      @WonderfulAyorinde Месяц назад

      True

  • @lucifermorningstar4500
    @lucifermorningstar4500 2 месяца назад +12

    W fr
    Miguel really got thrown back first into a tree and got back up instantly, kid Daniel would've cried for help after that🙏
    nah but seriously Miguel has the best endurance out of the kids and maybe even the adults as well and I'll die on that hill

    • @handzofstone1152
      @handzofstone1152 2 месяца назад +2

      Kid Daniel literally participated in a fight to the death lmao. I highly doubt he would’ve been crying for help after something like that

    • @lucifermorningstar4500
      @lucifermorningstar4500 2 месяца назад

      @@handzofstone1152 yeah and he moaned in pain after every hit lmao
      kid Daniel has the worst endurance in the verse don't even

    • @target9180
      @target9180 2 месяца назад

      That is durability not endurance

    • @lucifermorningstar4500
      @lucifermorningstar4500 2 месяца назад

      @@target9180 it's not

  • @LukmanRugo
    @LukmanRugo 3 дня назад

    In a tourment, when you get a point, it's a little break. You can think about some move or progress something or ask your sensei for their opinions to fight better in the next round if you see at robby if he used a double kick in a streetfight is would be put him offbalance and a disadvantages

  • @a.reaper_18
    @a.reaper_18 2 месяца назад +21

    every time people mentioned that fight in s4, i always mention how robby admits he beat him fair. street wise you are right though. it just makes no sense

    • @luckysharma6230
      @luckysharma6230 2 месяца назад +7

      Yes he said it because he was being humble enough to accept his defeat even tho we all know Robby would have won if he didn't got distracted by Kenny except hawk fangirls

    • @a.reaper_18
      @a.reaper_18 2 месяца назад +2

      @@luckysharma6230 true. ima hawk fan myself. robby is just more skilled technique and move wise.

    • @Bokesyck
      @Bokesyck  2 месяца назад +3

      @@luckysharma6230na bro if Robby were better that one point loss wouldn’t matter and he would just go ahead and win anyways

    • @Furiouspsycho
      @Furiouspsycho 2 месяца назад +2

      ​@@luckysharma6230 ur a perfect reason for people going off by other people's opinions and not actually watching the show.

    • @brothsipper-h5o
      @brothsipper-h5o 2 месяца назад +1

      ​@@luckysharma6230There's other evidence for Hawk being better in S4 as well

  • @lightningjadejavier
    @lightningjadejavier 2 месяца назад +3

    Omg thank you! I was actually thinking a few days ago that rankings don't really matter as
    Miguel should be better at actual combat and self defense
    Robby has more style and stuff like flips, sweeps and is more of a flashy fighter ever since joining cobra kai, than Miguel or hawk and that's why he seemed to always loose
    Hawk is definitely better in being a competitive fighter and brutal fighting. Like back in s3 when he was in cobra kai he was more the aggressive fighter, but he's definitely become the competitive type fighter.

  • @imtiyazyasir23
    @imtiyazyasir23 2 месяца назад +1

    You are kinda speaking facts bro,
    You have my respect brother ✌️

  • @Nrr0501
    @Nrr0501 2 месяца назад

    Completely agree with you. You are the first CK channel I’ve watched that is actually unbiased and tries to be neutral. I mean you obviously have your favorite characters but I couldn’t tell off of your videos because you do a good job at being equal. Thank you for not being a toxic fan boy sir 😅🙏

  • @CoolstarYT6
    @CoolstarYT6 24 дня назад

    There’s a big difference not just in environment but in what actually happens. Like for example if Mike vs Daniel was a street fight Mike would’ve crushed him because in the first round he had the mfer on the floor. Daniel vs Chozen was a literal fight to the death. A street fight is basically no holding back or a judge to stop you its whoever’s conscious basically

  • @kyleb7974
    @kyleb7974 2 месяца назад +6

    I’d argue the only time it’d matter is someone like Shawn. Considering he works more as a durable grappler.
    Although for everyone else. A tournament fight represents an accurate way a street fight. In real life yeah it isn’t. But the way they fight in the show, they use their strength, speed, grappling, skills, BIQ, everything you see on those VS Reels; with the only difference being no dirty fighting, stopping once they get a clean strike, and durability (except for blocks).
    And the fighters putting a better empathis on not being hit (which is why they get hit so much more often in a street fight).

    • @Bokesyck
      @Bokesyck  2 месяца назад +1

      @@kyleb7974 then it’s just proven that in a tournament people fight to the best of their abilities unlike a normal fight on the street

    • @kyleb7974
      @kyleb7974 2 месяца назад

      @@Bokesyck Yeah it’s more so they play their cards differently. All of their skills are being played into avoiding being hit and striking them in a typical 3 point tournament. Street fight all the empathisis is just knocking the other one out or submitting them so putting all the empathisis on dodging everything isn’t as important.
      With the Sekai Taikai I imagine it won’t be limited to a 3 point tournament. But even then the judges found a 3 point tournament fitting to decide a winner between Cobra Kai and Miyagi Do in Season 5. So it’s pretty accurate

  • @LiskHelio
    @LiskHelio 2 месяца назад +2

    Tournament: Landing shots on the torso
    Street Fight: Inflicting actual damage and pain.
    S4 Devon and S3 shawn. Devon knows the rules of tournament fight and has more actual skill, so she'd probably be able to land more shots on the torso. However, S3 shawn is durable, even during his fight with robby, he took countless shots to his body and face. For example, kicking someones knee in a street fight is far more useful than in a tournament, showing that inflicting damage is more important in a street fight

    • @Bokesyck
      @Bokesyck  2 месяца назад +1

      @@LiskHelio na Shawn wins in both

    • @LiskHelio
      @LiskHelio 2 месяца назад +1

      @@Bokesyck even if he does Devon still stands a much better chance in a tournament than street fight

    • @LiskHelio
      @LiskHelio 2 месяца назад

      @@Bokesyck even if he does Devon still stands a much better chance in a tournament than street fight

    • @target9180
      @target9180 2 месяца назад

      S3 shawn beats s4 devon low mid diff in street fight
      S3 shawn also beats s4 devon in tournament by high diff

  • @me82sjm
    @me82sjm 2 месяца назад +3

    I think everyone who says street fight knows the environment is important. Adapting to environment is important to street fights.
    You forget this isn't mma where the fighting skill near perfectly translates. It's point stop. First hit. Your hits don't have to be strong just quick as shown with Kenny, and multiple of Daniels points in tournaments as well as hawks final point on robby. A street fight is about endurance, power and adapting to environment.
    Tournaments don't show the most skill that's why Daniel struggled so much against chozen and Mike. Chozen has had street encounters with American military his whole life, he didn't point fight, and Mike was a karate kick boxer.
    Having changing environments isn't an argument against street fights. Robby beat all of cobra kai in a flat environment. Sam and tory came to a draw in a flat environment with weapons on both ends but on the stairs Sam used them to finish it.

    • @Bokesyck
      @Bokesyck  2 месяца назад

      @@me82sjm
      U wrong 98% of people don’t know what a street fight means
      my mindset is that if you need to use environmental things or 3rd party items that aren’t ur hands feet and body, that’s not on a good look for u, skill masters the most in cobra Kai more so than endurance, this is proven by characters never really shown to be affected by their tiredness u got hawk panting against Robby and still beating him.
      also saying that ur hits don’t have to be strong as a way to say they’re not hitting hard is just blatantly wrong as if you’ve actually seen the tournaments, the hits are painful asf, would surely gas you or me out.
      Idk how u came to the conclusion that Daniel struggled with Mike and Chozen cuz of a street fight, Mike himself was LITERALLY called the “tournament terror” and Daniel beat Chozen anyways so that Chozen point is irrelevant
      And yes the environment is, if Robby beat Miguel by kicking him off the second floor (let’s hypothetically remove the cheap shot), is he a better fighter, nah it’s the railing winning that fight not him winning that fight
      You’re scaling characters via their skill, speed, strength, endurance, ap, counters to others techniques and stuff, u not scaling the environment or “their ability to adapt to environments” or whatever cuz at that point u not scaling the characters themselves but the character + a third party. The characters adapting should be adapting to other characters moves not another environment.

    • @me82sjm
      @me82sjm 2 месяца назад

      @@Bokesyck the point about the hits not having power has multiple examples that prove it. Chozen has a higher win record vs Daniel in their fights. Mike again fought full contact and best Daniel in every fight outside tournaments.
      I'm sorry but physicality is itself a skill. Anyone who fights competitively can tell you that.

  • @Connorthegamer464
    @Connorthegamer464 2 месяца назад +2

    Yeah, but the tournament doesn’t determine who’s a better fighter though because when you hit somebody, you don’t just stop fighting

    • @Bokesyck
      @Bokesyck  2 месяца назад

      @@Connorthegamer464 shows more skill still, point sparring is a perfectly normal indicator of who’s better lmao

    • @itzgibbzy9970
      @itzgibbzy9970 2 месяца назад +2

      I agree, in a tournament after a point is scored the fight resets, also certain moves aren't allowed like elbow to the knee johnny does to Daniel in kk1 but in a street fight anything goes

  • @CrypticxAm
    @CrypticxAm 2 месяца назад +2

    Street fight no rules straight hands bro 😭 u get clapped to the ground u air gettin back up your fried

  • @xnortheast1106
    @xnortheast1106 2 месяца назад

    W also what's the background music in the video?

  • @Infinite-99
    @Infinite-99 2 месяца назад +6

    Ah the tournament vs street fight debate. Every miguel fans way of coping for when he doesnt win every single fight

    • @Bokesyck
      @Bokesyck  2 месяца назад +1

      This is so real

    • @Dinetioneditz123
      @Dinetioneditz123 22 дня назад

      And Robby s4

    • @Dinetioneditz123
      @Dinetioneditz123 22 дня назад +1

      “Robby wins streetfight,hawk wins tournament”every Robby’s excuse

    • @Infinite-99
      @Infinite-99 22 дня назад

      @@Dinetioneditz123 its crazy how none of them can prove that Robby would win a street fight. The AV is the most we have to go off of for that debate and Hawk won it. Saying that Robby would win a street fight is basically head canon (unless you scale Robby above and have valid reasons for it)

    • @Dinetioneditz123
      @Dinetioneditz123 22 дня назад

      @@Infinite-99 “cause hawk is skinny and Robby is buff he’ll snap him like a toothpick”

  • @Mysong112
    @Mysong112 2 месяца назад

    Great video man, but I will say that Cobra Kai is a bit of a special case when it comes to the “street fight” argument. Tomo Chan is a girl surprisingly has a great explanation of the street fight argument. One of the main characters admits that he could beat his rival in a head to head fight by overpowering her, but in a karate match with rules and stipulations she would win easily. Cobra Kai blantanly says characters that fight in a tournament setting still scale to each other which is why Hawk, Miguel, and Robby were all considered equals in seasons 4-5, but we also see in a “street fight” where no rules are involved and characters get to be brutalized and go the distance, Miguel scales above Robby and Hawk. So there’s definitely a difference in performance.

    • @Bokesyck
      @Bokesyck  2 месяца назад

      @@Mysong112 the reason I made this video is cuz the term “street fight” doesn’t have a meaning, could be environment, could be weapons, could be jumping peiple, but interesting point

    • @Mysong112
      @Mysong112 2 месяца назад

      @@Bokesyck Yeah. “street fight” is very broad when you think about for two seconds 😂

  • @RedHood-y1z
    @RedHood-y1z 2 месяца назад +1

    Tournaments matches showcases each fighters combat skill and ends when a fighter lands 3 points. Miguel hawk and Robby have equal fighting skills to the point were either one could win in their base forms
    however hawk when he’s fully confident could win against them in their base forms, if Robby gets a balanced amp he beats them all in their base forms, if Miguel gets a resolve amp he beats both of them in their base forms
    Street fight, as important as skill is in a fight physical capabilities are just as important. And the street fights showcases the skill and the physical abilities of the fighters
    Hawk is quick and agile but his durability is weaker as we saw him get knocked out with a kick by Robby in S2 and in S6 a kick from Demetri was enough to stun him
    Robby is physically strong fairly durable but doesn’t have the best endurance as shown in S5 near the end of his fight with Miguel his technique got sloppier to the point were he couldn’t defend himself from Miguel’s last 4 attcks
    Miguel is durable and has good endurance as shown in S3 he tanked hits on his injured back and still won the fight against Kyler, in the S5 fight Miguel tanked more critical hits from Robby better than hawk did which eventually got him the win in S5

  • @handzofstone1152
    @handzofstone1152 2 месяца назад

    Good point, but this would be much more appropriate to apply to Miguel and Robby since those are the main two where people say that one would win in a street fight and the other would win in a tournament.

    • @Bokesyck
      @Bokesyck  2 месяца назад

      @@handzofstone1152 the point of the video was not to apply this to anybody, I just used hawk and Robby cuz they’re the most popular example

  • @cobraverse08
    @cobraverse08 2 месяца назад

    I agree with everything said in this video.
    Will not be eating Greens tho thank you very much:)

  • @Zealandiascapes
    @Zealandiascapes 2 месяца назад

    I fully agree with you that tournament fighting is a superior showcase of skill than street fighting, but I disagree with the fact that skill = a better fighter overall. I think skill and battle intelligence or (battle IQ) are equally 50/50 contributing factors to being a better fighter. Battle IQ is being able to use the environment and dynamic situation around you to win, which you can do in a street fight but not in a tournament to the same extent. Miguel is considered the best fighter on the show yet he performs very mediocre in tournament fights, Hawk and Robby have had more diverse training and move way faster in fights than Miguel, yet Miguel always wins in street fights and has a lot slower more thought out moves.

    • @Bokesyck
      @Bokesyck  2 месяца назад

      @@Zealandiascapes Miguel is not mediocre in tournaments fights lol, in s1 he was good but Robby better, in s4 he got injured and in s6 Robby just better. Sure fight iq ofc does matter in a better fighter, but if ur way of being a better fighter is kicking someone off the railing or throwing them into a tree, that’s less of a fight iq move than a cheap shot. If you have to use your environment to win you are just not a better fighter, you didn’t win the fight the environment did lol

    • @ElijahThomas-h1i
      @ElijahThomas-h1i 2 месяца назад

      ​@Bokesyck that's not really a fair point "you didn't win the fight thr environment did" I love your videos man but that's a painfully ignorant statement lol also using an example when miguel beat robby in season 5 he showed higher battle iq and intelligence by using grappling while mixing in karate which is a strong indicator as to why he won lol I would argue robbys more skilled but Miguel's battle Iq is factually much higher lol not to mention robbys style directly favors him in a tournament setting

    • @Zealandiascapes
      @Zealandiascapes Месяц назад

      @@ElijahThomas-h1i Yep, you captured my point really well. In short, I think both Robby and hawk overall have more raw skill than Miguel, but Miguel has vastly higher BIQ, hence why he's the superior fighter to both.

  • @AsianJidionkk
    @AsianJidionkk 2 месяца назад +1

    Yeah but street fights help us scale how strong every fighter is lol

  • @Goatleonaldo
    @Goatleonaldo 2 месяца назад +6

    I think Miguel and Robby in season 5 could be equal bc when they had enough space to fight at the apartement, Robby was winning the fight. But when they got on top of the balcony, there wasn’t really enough space to fight. So miguel got very lucky to beat Robby in apartement fight.

    • @kyleb7974
      @kyleb7974 2 месяца назад +2

      Guy got enraged by that railing as well

    • @CilpsCut
      @CilpsCut 2 месяца назад +4

      No Miguel didn’t get lucky he punched Robby in the face 3 straight times and Robby couldn’t defend himself no more

    • @OrtegaSauce
      @OrtegaSauce 2 месяца назад +1

      Robby glazer

    • @imtiyazyasir23
      @imtiyazyasir23 2 месяца назад +4

      Nah
      Season 5: Miguel beat Robby fair and square
      BUT
      Season 6: Robby beat Miguel fair and square

    • @Deqaivious
      @Deqaivious 2 месяца назад

      Goatleonaldo u are the most delusional person ever Miguel beat Robby fair and square just like how Robby beat Miguel in s6 fair and square stop making excuses about there being no space there was the same amount of space at the bottom as the top but the top just had more railing
      Miguel vs Robby s5 Miguel wins deal with it
      Robby vs Miguel s6 Robby wins deal with it ur probably creaming ur pants after I said this🤡

  • @LimitWIS
    @LimitWIS 2 месяца назад +2

    arguments* 🤓🤓

  • @RoyalWis
    @RoyalWis 2 месяца назад

    nice video boke and cinnamon toast crunch solos

    • @Bokesyck
      @Bokesyck  2 месяца назад

      @@RoyalWis w take

  • @Aguiasemasa
    @Aguiasemasa 2 месяца назад +18

    Robby was physically nerfed in S1
    Robby was mentally nerfed in S4
    Robby will forever be the best
    Hes so hot

    • @BiggiUnitEditz
      @BiggiUnitEditz 2 месяца назад +4

      In season 6 he beats Miguel

    • @josephblocker2724
      @josephblocker2724 2 месяца назад +1

      @@BiggiUnitEditzy’all always blame Robby was nerfed all the time bro Miguel has beaten Robby 3 straight times and Miguel was about to 3-0 Robby if he realism ed focused but that sets Miguel up to beat kwon and win the sekai taki in part 2 . But street fights mean more because they are no rules and your actually trying to destroy the person instead of scoring points it’s proven that Miguel is the best street fighter out of the kids . Miguel is the best fighter

    • @BiggiUnitEditz
      @BiggiUnitEditz 2 месяца назад +3

      @@josephblocker2724 Miguel was nerfed in season 3 physically and season 4 mentally thats fax but tall you Miguel fanboys say he lost to Robby cause he was nerfed the score is 2-2

    • @_Sw1ft_
      @_Sw1ft_ 2 месяца назад

      miguels the best teen fighter

    • @Calisthenicshelper
      @Calisthenicshelper 2 месяца назад

      💀

  • @OliverGarcia-j9q
    @OliverGarcia-j9q 2 месяца назад

    If that’s the case then how was Daniel able to beat Mike Barnes in the tournament but in the street fights Daniel couldn’t hurt him at all

    • @Bokesyck
      @Bokesyck  2 месяца назад

      @@OliverGarcia-j9q cuz that wasn’t peak Daniel?? literally peak Daniel didn’t exist till the final seconds of the movie bro 😭

    • @brothsipper-h5o
      @brothsipper-h5o 2 месяца назад

      ​@@BokesyckFr and it was implied that mastered kata Daniel is actually above Mike because Mike was negging him when he was mentally nerfed but the moment he locked in, he immediately got a point and also hurt Mike as well

  • @t3kko99
    @t3kko99 2 месяца назад

    Where the Miguel hate come from? Same ppl hating on him now were js glazing him 2 years ago😂😂

  • @target9180
    @target9180 2 месяца назад

    Shawn is perfect example of street fighter with no karate experience
    S6 shawn puts much better fight against holding back robby than s6 kenny who literally beaten hakw in s5 i will say kenny is just tournament fodder bcz it required skill and agolity which he have better than shawn but shawn has better durability strength and endurance
    Thats the reason Shawin fight better against robby than kenny

  • @gg41451
    @gg41451 2 месяца назад +1

    Doesn’t s4 Hawk have better AP than s4 Robby anyways 😂 don’t know how people bring this up

    • @luckysharma6230
      @luckysharma6230 2 месяца назад +2

      Did you forget that hawk got his ass handed to cobra kai when they cut off his Mohawk meanwhile Robby beat the living shit out all of them without getting a single hit !!

    • @Bokesyck
      @Bokesyck  2 месяца назад +1

      @@luckysharma6230 but then again hawk did have the better fighters who knew both styles as opposed to Robby who fought plumbers 💀

    • @Furiouspsycho
      @Furiouspsycho 2 месяца назад +1

      ​@@luckysharma6230 such a terrible reason 😂

    • @kyleb7974
      @kyleb7974 2 месяца назад +3

      @@luckysharma6230They snuck behind him with a cloth.
      And I guess an outlier somewhat. Similarly to how Eli can struggle a lil with Mitch.

    • @joeclark2590
      @joeclark2590 2 месяца назад

      @@kyleb7974 he lost to fodder and Kyler, tory or Robby wasn't even on him like that tory got close and personal when he was already taken down and so was robby

  • @CloxxyCobraKai
    @CloxxyCobraKai 2 месяца назад

    Can I have your opinion on Robby S4 vs Miguel S4? Because I'm extremely split, Robby won the prom fight but the Miguel that wins the balcony fight is essentially S4 Miguel just with a clear mind. So who do you think wins?

    • @k_wl
      @k_wl 2 месяца назад +1

      miguel s4 probably loses to robby s4 cuz he had the mental nerf, u cant just remove his nerf cuz he had it for the later half of the season so i think he loses to robby s4
      i think bokesy thinks otherwise

    • @gg41451
      @gg41451 2 месяца назад

      @@k_wl He was outclassing Eli who lost to Robby…

    • @k_wl
      @k_wl 2 месяца назад

      @@gg41451 he never outclassed eli, infact he wanted to pull out his tornado kick on point 1 cuz he cant beat eli otherwise

    • @gg41451
      @gg41451 2 месяца назад +1

      @@k_wl Ur acting as if that’s a 1 time use special move tf 😭. I never said he wasn’t getting pressed but very clearly he was doing better than him in that battle.

    • @k_wl
      @k_wl 2 месяца назад

      @@gg41451 he wasnt, also yes that is indeed a 1 time move cuz its slow asf and is only gonna work once
      eli and miguel were dead relative in that fight and miguel pushed hawk ONCE before resorting to the tornado kick, so miguel's offence cant break thru hawk's defence which robby has better of anyway

  • @AdenDuqow
    @AdenDuqow 2 месяца назад

    Bro doesnt know tripple edits

  • @BiggiUnitEditz
    @BiggiUnitEditz 2 месяца назад +1

    Robby lost cause he got distracted by Kenny

    • @Bokesyck
      @Bokesyck  2 месяца назад +1

      @@BiggiUnitEditz I literally said this video isn’t about Robby vs hawk bro watch more than a minute at least 💀

    • @BiggiUnitEditz
      @BiggiUnitEditz 2 месяца назад +1

      @@Bokesycka street fight is a fight without rules and not a sport and finish till someone quits or gets knocked out or dies and who says a street fight has to be with weapons

    • @Bokesyck
      @Bokesyck  2 месяца назад +1

      @@BiggiUnitEditz and who says a street fight is WITHOUT weapons, like I said you should’ve watched the video because I said it COULD, or it couldn’t, that’s why “street fight” is not valid cuz it could be anything.
      And you just proved my point when u said it’s a fight without rules so it could or couldn’t, no rules means anything

    • @BiggiUnitEditz
      @BiggiUnitEditz 2 месяца назад

      @@Bokesyck yeah well when people say in a street fight there not going to say but with weapons tho are they and a street fight is like what Robby and Miguel did in season 5 so that’s what they mean and Johnny and Mike would slam Daniel in a street fight defense is good for tournament and Offense is good for street fight and also when Robby was on the defense Shawn threw him and tbf tho Shawn is a street fighter and a powerhouse

    • @Bokesyck
      @Bokesyck  2 месяца назад

      @@BiggiUnitEditz yeah let’s ignore the fact that Daniel beat up silver, and fought relative to Johnny a multitude of times in every fight they’ve been in, also Miguel vs Robby in s5 is just ONE example of a street fight, like I said ur missing the argument that a street fight can be anything, if they really meant setting like Miguel vs Robby, they have to say that specifically cuz that’s only one of many street fighting examples 😭, you’re exactly proving the point I made where people have no idea what the term street fight even means. I would definitely suggest watching before u comment next time