Firewire Sunday and Haden Shapes Hypto Krypto - big board comparison
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- Опубликовано: 22 авг 2024
- I got a chance to surf the Firewire Sunday 6'0 and the Haden Shapes Hypto Krypto 6'2" on the same day in relatively same conditions, some waves were better than others. I know some of you will say the Hypto should be ridden smaller, which I know, but this could also be true for the Sunday. Rather this is a comparison of the two boards in their bigger sizes.
Aslo, this isn't a comparison of which board is better or worse since it is like comparing apples and oranges (Twin vs. Thurster). It is more a comparison of which board worked better in the condition that I surfed and the size of board that I surfed. Subtle difference but nonetheless different.
Watch the video and let me know what you think. Which board do you think surfed better for me in these conditions.
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I went ahead and pulled the trigger on a 7'0" Sunday because of your reviews. Watched them all. Gonna thin-out the quiver and make the Sunday my go-to Mid-length. Gracias, Thomye!
nice. i need to figure my quiver out too. been collecting too many boards. I love the Sunday so need to keep mine but want one with more performance. heard firewire might be releasing a 6'6 mid6, if that happens, Im' getting it for sure.
@@ThomyeSurfs - Mid-6 is a really nice board. Not the right tool for me, in the space I am tryin to fill in the quiver. Looks like the Mid-6 has a lot more rocker. Needs a little more juice. I'm using the Sunday for those smaller (to small to medium-sized) days when I'd rather night ride the 9'0" noserider.
@@Bimp_Lizkit oh for sure, that is what I use my 6'8 Sunday for as well. I recently did it suing a 9" single and that went really well. super fun. I have to approach my surfing differently but damn was it fun.
I swapped and tried a 5'6" hypto for a few waves at soft Bolsa. I'm 145 lbs, prefer higher volume, but that 5'6" felt way too boaty. The board is supposed to be short as possible it is so thick under the chest. It's not really meant to be upsized as your front foot ends up behind the sweet spot. Never surfed a Sunday but I'm assuming it has a much better balanced foam distribution that was meant to be upsized.
Interesting. I need to get on a smaller hypto. Might have to sell a board or two
I’m 140lbs and sometimes surf a 5’4 Hypto from 3-5 feet if I’m not in a shortboard mood. When it’s crowded or when waves are 8’-15’ I’ll surf a 6’ Hypto. Extra paddle power helps, but still manageable length, can still duck dive, and the pin tail gives stability. 👍
This just shows how awesome it is to have range in your quiver. If you have the right board for the waves you are bound to have fun.. I wish I never sold my seaside
Try the hypto with 2 large fins and a trailer should make it more loose if you like it better that way
It might be a better comparison to try a Hypto Twin against the Sunday. Thanks for always being so generous in sharing your experiences and knowledge - we all benefit from the experiments
There's a Hypto Twin? or are you saying ride the Hypto as a twin? now I got to google it. :)
Just saw it. I think that board could be compared to the Modern2 and CA Twin. The twin pin and swallow make it too different for me. But heck, I'll compare anything if I can get my hands on it.
I have the sunday used in medium choppy day was phenomenal because the speed gave me sections I would not have otherwise made an on a day that choppy and peaky really made the rides twice or thrice as long def my FAV board so far!
I think the Hypto is best surfed at the low end of your volume range. The Sunday you can size up.
I think both boards would surf better for me, performance wise on the low end. But comparing the top end, super groveler, Sunday was better.
I have surfed the 5'4 Hypto before and it went really well. But struggled on paddling at times. I wish FW and Haden would loan me a 5'6. I'd do straight up comparison. I might try and get hold of the 5'6 Hypto. Don't want to do too many sunday's since I already have 2. haha
The Sunday is based on the FireWire Creeper which was a Hypto Krypto copy. Surfing will eat itself.
Both have similar outline but Sunday will go better in small waves because it has more width and thickness in the tail.
Seems that way. I just saw the promo for the firewire mashup. Looks like the Hayden Misc. Haha except a tad thicker.
@@ThomyeSurfs You getting the mashup Thomye? Looks pretty fun. Super domed deck with interesting concaves
@@FrothLord891 considering it. I had always wished for a narrower seaside so this is perfect.
Awesome review, the sunday is the board for those conditions! Just picked up a Hypto and am excited to ride as a thruster, but will be looking into a good twin for conditions like these which will ride better forsure as you pointed out.
My Hypto is at the low end of volume for me and I like it best with Machado 2+1 twin + trailer. Best performance board I've ever ridden overall.
it would be interesting to compare all the sizes. Unfortunately, i could only compare the 6' Sunday to the 6'2 Hypto. I would love to be able to compare the 5'6 in both. I think that is the right size for me for performance. But I also think the Sunday in 5'6 would go good too so that would be interesting. All i know of now is in the 38L range, the Sunday. The only bad thing is the 5'6 Sunday is 31L+ while the 5'6 Hypto is like 27L.
so tempted to try the two. but not enough funds. I just paid for a new water heater and new garage door opener. all my surf funds have been depleted. :(
You should try my 5'8" HK, it's 31L, but tail is pretty thin. It's roughly the same size as your Spitfire Helium.
@@derekboyer1344 I'm really contemplating pulling the trigger on a 5'6 actually. 28L. that would put it at the same liters as my El Tomo, NB3, Modern2, Seaside, GoFish, Glazer, and Fishbeard. at least it would make for a fair comparison. People tend to want to right size a board, but that is so hard to do. a 5'6 might be better one day, a 5'8 on another. So, for me, since my intent these day is to review boards, I almost feel like I have to stop searching for my size rather, surf boards at a similar volume for review and comparison.
Besides, anyone who watches my videos and humors my opinion, is likely a different surfer, surfing different waves, of different skill level.
You can ride a hypto as a twin, twin plus nubster or trailer.
I'm surprised you got ANY waves to yourself on a Sunday at Bolsa Chica!! Thanks for the video.
Definitely tough. It's funny, there are days I get tons of waves with 50 people out and other times, get so little when there are only 5 people out. I guess it all depends on their etiquette. People that don't take turns are rough to surf by. They catch one and then paddle to your inside. :(
which twin fins were you using in the Sunday? Just ordered a 6'0, can't wait to try it out. Thanks
I typically ride it with the Machado Keels. It makes the board a tad tight but super drivey. I would say another really good option is any neutral twin like the MR with a stabilizer. The stabilizer you need is this one to use in the US box.
www.surfnvs.com/collections/apex-twins/products/stabilizer-apex-1
Now if you just bought the newest version of the Sunday, they won't have the center US box so you can only ride it as a twin. In which case, I would suggest a keel but if you aren't a fan of those, they have semi keels or modern keels that work great. Like these:
www.surfnvs.com/collections/apex-twins/products/apex-series-ono-twin
www.surfnvs.com/collections/apex-twins/products/tallboy-twin-apex
In all honesty though, I have limited experience with all the various fins. There are too many for me to test since it would be out of pocket for me. But from the ones I do have, I can speak in general terms. Also, I can only tell differences in big differences like Neutral vs Keel, rake vs pivot, etc. Once i start looking at small differences like comparing one raked vs another raked, I can't tell. Size of fins seems to matter. One funny thing I discovered was that I like a large keel in my 5'6 Sunday, but prefer a small keel on my 6'8 Sunday. I think because there is so much rail in the water and you can only turn it on the tail, it's better to have a smaller fin.
Sorry for the long response.
The Sunday looks great, I'm just concerned if the board will work on a Tuesday or a Wednesday 🤔 😜🤙
I just surfed it on Thursday and i can confirm that it still floats. :)
@@ThomyeSurfs 💯🤣
No, it closes both days.
Sunday works definitely better than Hypto in these conditions. Hypto has it’s days when it’s 3-4ft clean offshore. Bro, you should get 5’9” Sunday😜
I wish I could. But too many good choices out there.
You should try and ride the hypto with a twin and trailer.
Agreed!
that would be fun.
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O yess.. cool condition!! 🤩
Sunday wins for sure ! But, conditions were terrible :)
agreed. but, I realized for people who surf these types of waves all the time, maybe it will help them make a decision. At least in their 38L versions. Super tempted to buy a 5'6 Hypto
I wish I had these conditions in Florida.
@@dynodin81 on my side waves these morning were perfect (Bafureira, Cascais, Portugal) BUT..I was wearing a 5/4..brrrrrrrr
@@dynodin81 which is why it is so impressive that so many great surfers come out of Florida, all of whom, seem to know how to ride big scary waves. crazy
You need a 5'4 or 5'6 .......
for sure. 5'6 I think. I tried a 5'4 like 5 years ago and it went well on a decent day but struggled to get into some of the softer waves. the relative shortness of the 5'4 made the tail seem too pinned.
Frames are better than stringers, I have a Danny Hess who was robbed by firewire and his frames aren't just balsa but a multi-layered layup of Cork & Wood that have better Flex
Are frames the parabolic rails?
Is the Modern 2 still your favorite?
In some ways yes but lately, I have been surfing my El Tomo Fish and for some odd reason, that board goes really well backhand for me. Counter intuitive if you think about it. The M2 feels better forehand under certain conditions but the El Tomo Fish is super consistent and predictable.
It's almost like the M2 relies on my skills with very loose boundaries. so much more room for error. The ETF has tight boundaries and sometimes reigns in my mistakes and corrects for me. Like the board does more of the work. Really hard to explain.
At the moment, if I had to choose, I think ETF. but M2 is a close second. Although having said that, I am still trying to assess and get my SciFi2 out on different conditions.
Your 5:8 and 145 lbs .. I’m 155lbs and my 5:7 Hypto is the best board I’ve ever had .. why would you be on a 6:2 Hypto !!?? That’s huge for you even if it is tiny
in the video i explain why. first, it's my friends board. it was the only option. second I was comparing it to the 6'0 Sunday which is 38L. Yes, if I had my way and unlimited funds, I would likely compare the 5'6 Hypto to the 5'6 Sunday. Wish I could, that would be a fun comparison. Hopefully some day I will get a chance. :)
I think Craig Anderson rides a much smaller Hypto, I'd guess 5'2". He would be about your weight so...
yeah, 5'2 or 5'4 I believe. Which I have tested but I wanted to review it for the viewers that bought this board big. Figured it was worth a ride since my friend let me ride it. But it does allow for a comparison against my 6'0 sunday since so many people were asking about it for some reason. Anyways, I tested the 5'6 but I also got to surf a 5'4. All worked well under different circumstances.
To Firewire- send this guy a couple Mashups to review- 5’4” and 5’5” I’m guessing. Why wouldn’t you?
🤩I wouldn't even mind a few demos. something I could surf for a month and send back. I wonder at what point they would help me. 5K subs, 10K subs, there has to be a number I would think.
i think next time you have to # tag it. #firewiresurfboards
Have you ever thought about checking out the Hayden shapes miscellaneous?
I surfed it in one of my videos. I didn't like it but I think it was because it was a custom. That board felt really off to me but my buddy who let me rid it had it set up as a 2 +1 but the front fins were not as big as I would have liked. I might consider revisiting that board. The shape and outline looks amazing. But one thing for sure about his MISC was that it was super soft. There were massive pressures on the deck, even where the hands go.
Maybe a bad version of the board.
Hey… Not related to this vid, but have you seen the Firewire mashup, by Rob Machado & Dan Mann yet???
I have seen it. so intriguing. I have always wanted a narrower version of the seaside and funny thing, I also wanted the wide point moved up on the spitfire. :) Having said that though, I've also made the realization that the El Tomo Fish, to me at least, is my narrower Seaside. It is fast becoming my favorite and about to knock the Modern2 off its pedestal.
Question to you? what boards from other shapers do you think is comparable to the Mashup?
BTW, both Spitfire and Mashup are wide point back but the Mashup moved it a tad forward. not much but enough to ride the board shorter. I rode the spitfire in a 5'8. 5'6 felt wrong for me. I think the 5'6 or a 5'5 Mashup would have been good.
@@ThomyeSurfs When I first saw it, I thought it was a Dominator with a swallow tail. Lol 😂 That’s a great question though. Obviously gonna have to put a lil’ more thought into that answer. If I had to guess, right off the top of my head, I’d have say the Pyzalien.
Lost - Swordfish
Rusty - Miso
CI - Rocket 9
@@shannonyoung3465 good call on the Pyazlien, they look very similar. with the exception of the volume to height ratio. but definitely the outline comes close.
@@ThomyeSurfs Have ya seen this yet? ruclips.net/video/BM4swemeI8c/видео.html
Where is Mashup, we wanna see Mashup Review
haha, my soloshot died. no video capabilities at the moment. :( I am trying to figure out how to get some footage and might have a solution next week. Total bummer.
Ur hypto is too big. U need 5’8 and it’s not a gravel boar
I know it's too big, but so is the Sunday. I would likely ride both in 5'6" if I were to target my ideal volume but I wanted to do a comparison of two oversized boards, both at 38L. Intermediate surfers usually ride bigger boards anyways so this is a good look at a comparison for them. On top of that, they are apples and oranges in my opinion.
If I were to compare the 5'6" boards, not sure which would be more fun or go better. I have surfed the 5'6 Hypto before and it went well. But I also remember it was a tad narrow on the tail and it was harder to surf in softer smaller conditions. Anyways, if I ever get an opportunity to compare the smaller versions, I will definitely do it. But if I were to predict based on my experience just knowing boards and having surfed so many kinds, I think the 5'6" Hypto would go better in punchier faster waves and the 5'6" Sunday would be better on softer waves. It would still go good in punchier but get out performed by the Hypto.
Fingers crossed that someday i will get the chance.
I know these breaks. You are a better surfer than you think.
thanks. I have my good days and my bad days. I am so inconsistent it is laughable. :) I'm likely only posting my good days. haha