YOU KIDS ARE THE BEST!!!! THANKS FOR YOUR E-MAILS, I LOOK FORWARD TO KEEPINGUP WITH ESPER AND BOTH OF YOU. HAPPY SAILING AND LOOKING FORWARD TO SOME OF YOUR MORE DISTANT YOYAGES AFTER COVID. EDDY
[Liz] We're thrilled and humbled by your comment and delighted that you like our series. We constantly try to get the mix right, and strive to keep it real. Peace and fair winds!
Jamie and Liz, thank you both for making the time to share with us your life and wisdom. I watch your videos for two reasons. 1) to gain insights and to expand my knowledge of being a live a board and 2) (which is just as important to me ) to get an English fix! (I have lived in Brazil for 10 years and speak and think 99% of my days and nights in Portuguese :-)). Thanks again, Derek.
[Liz] Thanks for the lovely comment, and so glad you are enjoying your English fix! By the way, watch out for next week's (Jan 2018) "how-to" video , which is an update on this earlier episode, and totally devoted to "how to buy a liveaboard boat"! This week's episode was all about "how to become a liveaboard": ruclips.net/video/dRcYm-BnTjI/видео.html
Your talk about guests at 18m45s is brutal honesty and possibly the best advice in the video, at least for me. Years ago my wife and I moved far from friends and family and made an open invitation for all to come explore our new area with us (US NW). In six years about half our family visited once each, and the only friends to visit were either passing through or were in the area for completely different reasons. I keep telling myself that when we own a boat it will be different - but deep down I know it won't, and I need to stop looking at big boats with unnecessary accommodations.
+Paul Smyers [Liz] Sadly, it is true, but the good news is you don't have to buy a big boat to accommodate guests (most of whom love sleeping on deck in our experience) and can use bunks as valuable storage areas! Peace and fair winds!
Great vid to watch. I feel as if I'm coming to the end of my rope here on land and hearing the sea call more and more. I'm stepping into my first actual boat and this helped me answer MANY questions (including if I could keep my kitty) I just couldn't find answers to anywhere. Time to binge watch!
Thanks for the video, very informative and a good watch. I have been watching a young couple sail adventures and stumbled upon yours. You've answered quite a few of the questions i've had. Thanks again.
I really like you two. We are abt to do the jump and live aboard full time and it is a great relief to connect with you two kind and knowledgeable and super talented adorable sailors.
+Andrew Rose [Liz] So happy you enjoy the vids! It depends what kind of work and that country's regulations, in most places you'll need a work visa. Our income is from the rental of our home. Watch "How We Became Liveaboard Cruisers" for our thoughts on this. Peace and fair winds!
i work in security. asset protection and close protection. also a joiner and good all round handyman. am waching your vids sitting under a wind turbine lols. i also watch them with my partner. loving your vids and advice be safe and thanks for replying
Your vids are such fun. Thanks for all the good information, some new, but also confirmatory. Learning a lot. And you are such good spirited folks.great choice in dinghy by the way.. Jamie you are a lucky man! Liz a lucky lady. Capt. ChinaMike. S/V Venceremos, 54 S&S, out of San Diego. Wish you well! Keep the vids coming...
Your ship looks very nice after your extensive and interesting refit along side the Totem crew in Thailand. I enjoyed these knowledgeable facts on blue water sailboats and you brought out some points I hadn't recognized before....thank you!
I noticed Millie received a lot of camera love on this episode. Great video, and thanks for your opinion of the " as close as you are going to get" perfect cruiser. Great info! I also just became a supporter. It's not much but it can buy you a few beers a month. Fair winds!
+MrSharkphoto Thank you, thank you! We really appreciate the gesture, it's kind of you. Money will go on Internet credit before it's spent on beer ;) Thanks once again and fair winds to you.
you guys are a hoot. great vids my wife and I are enjoying them. she retires in 4 yrs and we have just started looking for our retirement journey. great information in your vids thanks and keep them coming. big hugs and fair winds. :-)
Hi Both, great video. A quick tip that may make life a bit easier for you. I noticed during the heroic mainsail reefing bit, the sail was entering the mast in a manner that trapped the cloth against the side of the mast slot. This doubles the friction of an inmast reefing system. If you had put in a brief tack just to reef, the sail would be running free onto the revolving spindle, resulting in less friction and a faster, and tidier reef that doesn't have to be re-addressed at some later time. It is also a lot less strain on the system and crew, and the sail itself will take much less of a beating, with the resulting longer lifespan. It's something you may already know, in which case apologies for being a smartarse, but if you have tried it before (consciously) give it a whirl. You might even impress yourself :-). Keep up the laughs.
Great to listen about the sailboat selection. I think i prefer the blue water cruiser type but I'm going to be single handed and still undecided. Thanks for the info!
Such a great, truly informative video. Thanks for all the invaluable info on choosing a boat. As we transition from land to liveaboard, it's a good reminder that less is more.
I took a Lagoon 57 Catamaran from the Caribbean up to Florida to deliver it for an owner. As crew I had hired two solid single handers. With over a half a million miles at sea between us we all rated the trip as the most miserable of our lives. it was like being swirled around in a flying pan and then slapped down on the stove! as we crept to weather . Coming into Florida we were running before a gale with a jet ski wake off both bows under bare poles and just could not slow the boat down. It was a real pleasure to get into Lauderdale. We also once rescued a 40ft Cat that was floating upside down in the BVI while on charter on another trip and got the crew aboard,. ( A down draft under full sail &, a stuck mainsheet wrecked that sailing day, some Cats have a weak link to avoid this) I know some people love them and at anchor or in a reasonable trade wind sail they are a pleasure especially on the nets and whats not to like at a steady 10K plus.... They make ideal nearshore charter boats but you must sail them within the envelope and understand the limitations both in loading and handling, its a special skill. I have to say though I am with the crew of follow the boat; a long way from land, loaded with gear, whether you take another day or another week once you settle in to the boat it doesn't matter. My longest trip was 36 days on a boat with no engine across the Atlantic ( 2 weeks almost stationary, pulling her with a rowboat!) and when we finally got to Antigua it seemed something of a shame to stop. No doubt Cats are more comfortable in light to moderate winds but I will never deliver another one across an ocean or offshore. Incidentally when the lagoon was surveyed for sale it had stress cracks all across the main beam structure which supported the mast.... So if you are buying a Cat look very closely at this area. In terms of which boat to pick I have met sailors on everything from a Contessa 26 to a 65 foot Swan and bigger. Personally I think the sweet spot is around 45ft for one, two or a small family, but its definitely a personal opinion especially if you wish to avoid the hassles of needing crew and get into some tight spots around the world. It also avoids looking like a wealthy visitor. Don't overlook some good American boats, Hinckley, Bristol, gene the Gulfstar 50, and if you buy in the States the chandlery is cheap to refit just watch out for sales tax. Cheers Nigel
I really love that you guys are actually staying on the hook rather than sailing between marinas etc. love to hear about the power systems in your boat. You sound like you love a bit of electronic gear between your AIS and cameras etc - do you have to ration your electricity or do you make enough with your 4 rail mounted panels ? Did some of the best diving on the walls around phi phi. Loved Langkawi too but for more on land stuff
+Wade Smith (Wadeabout) In the south west monsoon period we struggle a bit with lack of sun. We both spend considerable time on the computers and have many batteries to charge. We have a petrol generator as back up though.
...great Advices... love your vlog... for me; there are just 2 boats to discover the world; Amel 55 and Amel 64! Cutter Rigged Ketch' with love and Style! Love it! ...with lovely greets from Munich, Germany! ;)
[Liz] Yes, Amels are solid boats (do you follow the Delos team?) they were just too expensive for us, though. Oysters are really quality boats too--sturdy and comfortable. Ours is a cutter-rigged ketch, unusual for an Oyster, but we love the sail plan, and are really pleased we ended up with a ketch. Many liveaboards choose ketches. Peace and fair winds!
Hey... thanks for answering so quick! - I'm sailing my whole life... and a Ketch was always the perfect idea to me for a BIG bluewater cruiser... way before i get connected with the very famous and awesome crew of Delos! - there's nothing better out there than Delos and the Crew and their Spirit to get inspired... to get dreams realized! BUT; other Channels like yours, La Vagabonde, the Wynns and Sailing Uma are sooooo important and inspiring too! 'cos... leaving ALL... living aboard is such a live changing decision..... a very fundamental thing! ...with much love, tom ;)
Great info we are looking for a boat now but I have a question we have a cat to bring with us what do you do with the cat box and was millie young when she started to go
[Liz] Millie joined us when she was about two months old. We trained her to use the heads, so no kitty litter gets spilled as SY Esper heels. We only use a litter box when we leave her on her own overnight. Good luck with the boat search!
awesome video thanks for sharing, keep them coming, Thank you so much for the advice on the perfect boat. Fuel would kinda of like to know an estimate of fuel you use on a monthly basis diesel and propane? I understand it really depends on the journey and the wind & tides just an estimate and rough idea of cost per gallon in different ports, the difficulty of finding fuel and how you get it to the boat?
Good questions, Dennis. Gonna add these to our list of questions to be answered in a future episode. For the record diesel in Malaysia is anything between 1.8 - 2 ringit for a litre (50p). We carry 360lt and it lasts us all season.
I do not always comment on your videos and I love them all, but I have to say the last couple seem to have ratcheted up a few notches with a lot more energy, vibrancy and content all gently marinated with humour. Well done.👍Now cut to the chase when do we get to see the engine video (s)?😉
[Liz] Wow, thanks Mr P! We are constantly trying to improve and move forward on the filming and editing, and hoping the shorter, current content is a positive step. Peace and fair winds!
Oh, I am a huge fan of the shorter, more frequent and up-to-date format. I watched this video, just after your latest one & they're much more... accessible - I felt much more "connected" with you. This particular one though, is a triumph, what with the really helpful stuff, interspersed with the trips. xx
A great episode although I think Jamie was being a bit cheeky highlighting Liz's ASSets.😉 Do you two ever do any overnight legs and if so how do you manage the watches?
+Ed Rymes [Liz] Lots of overnight sails and ocean crossings. It's just the two of us, so on average we maintain 3 hours on and 3 hours off. You just learn to grab snatches of sleep when you can. Peace and fair winds!
Keen to know where your amazing (mood uplifting) shirts come from? Really enjoyed all blogs to date especially all of the refit. Hate to imagine the cost!
Great video thanks for sharing. Sooooo glad Millie is ok, have you thought of netting on the guardwires? You mentioned my question about anchoring and now there are more cruisers do you have problems getting a spot, but you didn't answer, I'm hoping you will in a later episode. By the way Sailing Cacique is pronounced 'Ka Seek' it means indian chief she is a Vancouver 27 and circumnavigated 1990 to 1993. Another question (I have so many). You have a ketch cutter rig with in-mast reefing, what do you think of in mast reefing, would you have it again? What do you think of Junk rig/ Lugsail, Blondie Hasler used this rig on Jester and commented that he never went on deck for sail handling for his entire Atlantic crossing. Thanks again, Fair winds. PS My name is Jamie and my wife is Issy :)
Hi Jamie,thanks for the questions. We answered the one about space to anchor by showing you an aerial shot of Esper at anchor on her own! Loads of empty anchorages in this part of the world. We also answered your question about the junk but we had to edit it out because of time. As a liveaboard I wouldn't get one because we do find ourselves sailing close hauled and this might present problems. We love the In-mast furling though and would happily choose it again.
My steel tub has an underpowered Universal Atomic 4 that was installed back in the day when the view was that five gallons of gas and getting in and out of marinas and anchorages was all you needed or wanted. I see that you have a BetaMarine, but you've had some trouble with it? How do you like the beta? I'm looking at the Beta38, and a 17" fan for it. What do you love about your Beta? What do you hate? Would the money be better spent on another brand in your opinion? Much appreciated.
Very nice video. Thanks for sharing. I love the info. Where are you guys now? I'd love to do the same but it will be just me and my 3 dogs. What boat do you recommend for a single mid age woman? Maybe the sailing boat would be complicated? The idea is to travel as much as possible and stay in marinas to work from time to time. Where do you think it is best to buy? You said "the other side of the world". Where exactly? Happy Travels!!
[Liz] We're in a marina on Langkawi at this very moment, intending to head to Sumatra as soon as we can. I would not want to recommend a boat at this stage. You need to get out there and test lots of different boats to work out what would be right for you. Go on some courses, go on some sailing holidays, get in touch with a broker and arrange to look at boats. Then decide what kind of sailing you expect to do, coastal hopping or crossing oceans? We met a boat with three cats and two dogs on it once, so three dogs may not seem as optimistic as it sounds. With careful systems in place, it could be done. Peace and fair winds!
Awesome. Thank you for your response. I've been researching ways and places I can learn sailing and about boats. It might take a while but I'm positive that having a boat is the best and safest way (maybe the less expansive way) to travel with pets. Happy travels!
Finally , a worthy contender to the La Vagabond stories Love the style guys ! Let me know when you get to Singapore and will have you join us aboard at One15 Marina
+Iain Brown [Liz] Wow! What an amazing comment! We'll take it as a great compliment, thank you! And if we get to Singapore, we'll take you up on your offer too!! Peace and fair winds.
We have just returned from Thailand after a 2 week bare boat charter from Yacht Haven Marina. It is nice to see the familiar Islands, the seas, the storms. Is the Wolf Herring the one that jumps out of the water and skips along on its tail? The boat we hired ( Bavaria 37 ) had in mast furling, I was quite impressed with the ease of which this worked, how have you found it on your boat? BTW we are looking at ultimately buying a keel boat, the choice of the Bavaria was deliberate and part of our trialling of things. Thanks for the informative series.
Alan B [Liz] Ah, beautiful Yacht Haven Marina... did you rent the boat through our friend, Gunnar of Yachtpro by any chance!? Beautiful area to explore. Best of luck with the boat purchase! Peace and fair winds.
Hi guys love the short films you are doing i have only just started watching...i have a quick question for you... i live in perth western australia i am going to buy a boat to live an sail on...here is the question...do you feel safe sailing around the asian countries and what precautions do you take...all the best chris :)
+Chris liddell Our limited experience of Thailand and Malaysia suggests there are few issues to worry about. Theft is just as likely to be done by other yachties. Piracy is mainly on the commercial vessels.
Great vlog again, always informative and interesting. What brand and model is the red and black waterproof jacket that Jamie wears and whats the verdict on it? Would he buy it again if he needed another one? Thanks in advance : )
Hi Chris. It's a Musto (UK-made) coastal jacket. I mention 'coastal' because it is not off-shore, not in a cold weather sense. It's light enough but still keeps me warm and dry. There's a couple of design issues with the hood that annoy me and some of the waterproof strips that protect the inner stitching have come away but it's over ten years old and it's taken a few batterings. I remember someone telling me that Henri Lloyd gear was the best but that was year ago. Technologies change and I do like the Musto design (appearance). Would I buy it again? I'd still shop around but I'd be happy if I went with Musto again.
[Liz] It's messages like yours which encourage us to improve and keep them coming. Next one comes out tomorrow (Thursday), don't miss it, and tell us what you think!
Good to hear your views on live aboard boats. I do have one question about life as a cruiser is there a lot of fees involved in bringing a boat into a country?
+steve hansen Hey Steve. It depends on the country. In some there may be an admin fee but usually it's not much. Maldives was super expensive, as was Egypt, that had to do with transiting the Suez.
Well done you two happy cruising from a Hans Christian MkII owner down here in Australia Hope to be at sea August 2018 after a refit...Then Brisbane to Perth (Across the top) Cheers, Gunny on Starshine
Hello, enjoyed your vid. I am working towards doing an adventure. Have bought a boat. Will do required maintenance, add required equipment and go. Target is summer 2018. I'm on Lake Superior, so I have window of 5 months to get the boat ready. I've read many books on the subject and have a fair idea of what I am getting myself into. My question is: insurance. Boat and health? Boat insurance is pretty straight forward. However, health insurance is a cuncern. Once I've left my employer, and am no longer on the plan, what then? Thanks and happy cruising.
Hi Robert. We've covered both subjects recently. For health insurance check out 'The Best Island In The World' clip. I can't remember the boat insurance one off the top of my head but it was recorded in the last six months.
Nice videos. Gives me hope that in a few years, as I become more proficient, my wife and I will cruise the world. Any thoughts on trimarans? (Other than the extreme expense!)
+dierpap [Liz] Thanks for the encouragement! Never sailed a trimaran, and we've seen few liveaboards on trimarans...But it doesn't mean they don't work well! We're hardened monohull believers 😎
I think I'm the first! great video! You guys mixed it up a bit this time. I hope Liz's mom is doing okay. The cat going overboard last video was crazy! You forgot one thing that most monohulls can survive and a CAT never will. A good blow over! CAT's are much more stable upside down than right side up. I'm a bit old school and the way a a good monohull moves thru the water is so nice. Being a power boater its amazing how a well designed boat handles rough seas so much better than one that isn't. If you have unlimited funds buy a CAT and sail when it works for the boat. Theres a reason a 55 foot Amel costs over 2 million dollars and the same size CAT costs half that. Delos is a 2000 53 foot Amel i think and could sell for $500,000 easy! They cost of a new 40+ CAT. It would be so cool if you ran into sailing Emerald Steel along your journey!
Great comment, Jonathan. We should have discussed this in more detail in the actual discussion, which is why in post production we flashed up the 'watch the stability curve' caption!
Haha... so the follow up to the lost cat episode was the one i was looking for... and your tip about clicking the "i" button got me to that episode... it worked ... thanks :) (i did subscribe anyway). Good luck for 2017.
Great info guys. Also take into account that in the if you get a boat larger than 50' you will need captains licence or a full time captain to get insurance. While most cruisers don't have insurance. This in California.
+Tor Blackthorn [Liz] We don't have any experience of tri-hull boats, so can't really give an opinion. They seem a great idea for racing, but I'm not sure how practical they might be as a liveaboard. Peace and fair winds!
Peter here Jamie - Whoa! you've opened a can of worms there LOL asking opinions on either a Cat or Monohull. Cats great for living aboard but really an RV on water and bad for upwind sailing compared to a monohull. Now closing that very large contentious can of worms you opened Captain - Fair winds from the Caribbean to you three (Milly)
It was a very informed video for which we salute you both ;-) We are monohull devotees but sometimes pass a nice cat thinking what a great RV to live on. Keep up the great vids - Fair winds from the Caribbean.
I really enjoy your videos and it's helping me with my decisions. You will think I'm nuts - take a number, like at a deli counter, yours will be #521 - but I have narrowed it down to a Navetta 28, Hatteras 70e, MCY 6. More contenders, but it depends on business plans and sad (but inevitable) demise of parents. This or bust. If you ever get to Australia, hope to invite you on board and genuinely thank you for your entertaining vids.
By the way, watch out for next week's (Jan 2018) "how-to" video , which is an update on this earlier episode, and totally devoted to "how to buy a liveaboard boat"! This week's episode was all about "how to become a liveaboard": ruclips.net/video/dRcYm-BnTjI/видео.html
Likewise! You guys are inspirational.Today was a significant mile-marker for us as it's Joni's birthday and we want to start cruising before she has 3 more. So close, yet so far.
[Liz] Having lived in a 43ft boat and accumulated so much stuff over the last decade, I couldn't see us in anything smaller. BUT American's boat is a beamy 36ft, and I could easily cross an ocean in it. Beam is very important when considering size. As for the biggest, I doubt we'd want to go for anything above 56ft, and it would very much depend on rig, sail plan and ease of use because we seldom sail with any other crew. Peace and fair winds!
Hi David. The Portabote took a hit in our accident last year. There are some other reasons which we'll try and cover off in a future episode but it boiled down to needing something a bit more powerful for emergencies.
Great Video guys, glad millie is back and things are back to normal.I wonder if you guys ever sail naked? I just think you two seem so good to each other and you are in the right atmosphere,not too many people around etc. A na or ya will be ok Thanks and safe travels..
Myself (a sailor of 50 years), my wife and 2 boys aged 5 and 13 are excited to do extended cruising. We need something bigger than a boat for a couple. Also we need something automated that can essentially be sailed solo by a reasonably fit but aging man. I also don't want to be a boat maintenance slave, constantly fixing things on a 30 year old boat. I have an offer in now on a recent 2013 Jeanneau 57 which seems to fit the bill for 80% coastal cruising interspersed with 20% ocean passages. The boys can have their own space. I looked at older ocean cruisers in the 50-60 foot range, like a Swan , Oyster, Halberg Rassy, Hinckley and found that the boats that were affordable were most often victims of deferred maintenance, essentially being sold with NO sails, NO rig, NO engine, NO teak deck since theses systems were all at or hear end-of-life. $400K for a boat which needs $200K before you can even trust it is no bargain- but it is an enjoyable, albeit expensive hobby for the right person. Me, I'd rather be sailing.
Hi... what a great episode... I'm one of your latest patrons I think, it's such a pleasure to support all the information you are giving us...(I recently changed my RUclips name from alberciik to alexxx, not sure under which my message comes out).. I'm at this episode right now, and I continue watching the rest as I go along'..you mentioned this important thing about the differences between true blue water monohulls, production monohulls (like Benneteau, Jeanneau as you said) And catamarans.... I'm saving for a boat to retire on , and still not sure if it will be on a cat or a mono... but if you could answer some questions It would be so helpful... you mentioned blue water monohulls makers like Hallberg Rassy, Swan, Amel, and others, you also mentioned the Hull material they're made of.. ... if you were in my place and if you had to pick one of those solid blue water makers, second hand of course, which maker would it be? For longevity, solidity, ease of life on it, and no risk of osmosis or electrolysis... My second question is - so many people out there tend to go for cats with their stability on anchorage as the main reason... they say they roll less than the monohulls... is that really true? And is there a difference in how much a monohull rolls depending if it's a boat made by a solid blue water maker like Amel, Hallberg, Swan, or yours.....or the Benneteau, jeanneau, etc... do the first ones tend to sit in the rolling waters better than the second ones? .... sorry about this long question, but I had always wanted to ask those to someone who knows what they're talking about... thanks guys !! Hugs...
First of all a massive thank you for your support, Alexxx. We appreciate it. Your support goes a long way in helping with the production of our videos. Your question is quite well timed because we're soon to publish a video on cats vs monos but... because you're now a Patreon you're gonna get to see this in a few hours from now! All those blue water cruisers are good. The Swan is the most beautiful and classic but the last practical as a liveaboard. You don't get so much room for your money. I honestly couldn't decide between the other brands but I'd you pushed me I'd probably say Amel. They've really put a lot of thought into the end user's practical requirements. Right now we are in a really bouncy anchorage but the waves are coming head on, not from the side. In these particular conditions I'd prefer to be on a mono as it cuts through the waves. A cat would be slamming right now. But these are unusual circumstances, most rolly anchorages are from the side and no blue water cruiser would be more stable than a cat. IMO, however, these are not the top reasons for choosing a cat over a mono. Check the video out. Thanks once again for your support. Fair winds!
Yes, I heard so much nice stuff about Amel as well... I saw one on a a windy anchorage one and while other monohulls, and a couple of lagoon 38's were bouncing around, that Amel, a 53 or 52 footer it was, was barely moving...but then, I spent time on a lagoon 420 some time ago, and that also felt real nice.... the longer and heavier the monohull, the less rolling sensation, right? And finally, from your experience, which hull material would be the least exposed to osmosis and the electrolysis? Sorry, more questions... but it's a real pleasure to be able to ask you guys those questions.....And no matter how many boat repairs and fixes you have to deal with, you are an inspiration....(sorry, i forgot to ask, in what year was your boat made and with which hull material? - it is a British maker isn't it..)
I'd go with grp or steel. Alu is good in theory but there is the issue of electrolysis. If you are happy to stay on top of that then it's a good alternative but grp and steel are easier to work with.
Replacing a teak deck on an affordable used Swan 61- quotation from a reputable UK yard- $130,000. That roughly amortizes to $8000 per year over the 15 year life of the deck. Watch out for those deferred maintenance costs. Owners use the boats up and expect you to pay for their usage (sails, rig, engine, teak, ...)
And fourthly: a new boat does not have the usual paraphernalia a used boat does, so you'll also need to buy extra's and fit them after the initial purchase of the boat itself - windgen, solar, extra mooring lines, fenders, anchors, extra sails, tools, etc.
Arguably a catamaran is better suited for trade wind cruising and doesn't suffer from the horrible roll of death as monos do. No heeling or sinking either. Admittedly they are dear but essentially you get twice as much boat... ;)
Could I bring my *synthesizers, drum machines*, etc..., on a live aboard (45ft cat), and turn a berth into a mini music studio? Or, would the ocean air be likely to corrode the circuitry?
+Funk Daddy Hey Funk. I think electronics fair better these days. We were always warned about laptops corroding when we first started out but it hasn't happened yet. I have an S2 mixer which I use for the odd bit of DJING but I do keep that in a Peli case so that could be an (expensive) option, to put all your gear in stackable, mountable waterproof cases. If you're using old 808s, 303s etc they may be more susceptible to the marine environment. I can't say for sure. We've met many musicians who have instruments on the boat, including a classical pianist who had a full sized keyboard on her boat. Took three people to get that thing on and off the boat, mind. It came in a carry case, not a waterproof one, and I'd say that's fine.
followtheboat THANK YOU!!! I have tried so hard to find an answer to this question, and you answered it. I really appreciate that you know what an 808 or 303 is. Most of my gear was built in the last 5 years, and it is a combination of digital, analogue, and hybrid. And yes I have Roland's latest versions of the TR-808 and TB-303 (TR-8 & TB-3).
I reckon the newer versions should be ok. You sound like the kind of person we'd like to bump into in an anchorage. It's hard to find like-minded people when sailing, especially when it comes to music!
followtheboat That would be really cool to meet you guys one day. I to have a hard time meeting people who share my taste in music. Stay well my friend :)
A smart sailor ones told me, the best boat for you is the smallest one you can deal with but the biggest one you can effort... kind of a matter of finding the right balance there I guess.... and then of course a million compromises in between... Nice wrapup of many points though
Hello there Liz. Thanks for the response! I guess I was meaning to ask. When your anchored in different countries, can you just find the nearest marina or dumping area? Do they charge you guys? Thanks again. Peace and fair winds be with you two :)
mono versus cat well you cant put a rail in the water on a cat well i guess you can but its going to get very exciting if you try it with a cat and very expensive very fast.my boat is a Gulfstar 44.8 and i love it. we have been living on her for 6 months now and have sailed her over 1500 miles and will be heading out. after storm season for our trip around the world. i hope to run into you guys some day out there. stay safe and good sailing... by the way glad to see you got your cat back. we have a cat as well and would be lost with out her.
Great video like the water shots and the sails nautical stuff, see Millie earns her keep, dear cat, maybe she lost her balance hanging it over the rail because the head was occupied and she didn't want to wait
Pinch pinch pinch....lol fun old vid TY! For me the mid weight racer cruiser is not about "speed" the boats like the Jeanneau or 80's IOR type boats is that they can make way in lighter air. A stiffer boat that points well has more options when shaping a course. Cats, advantages yes but......$$. Cats have advantages and disadvantages, but..... $$
awesome video! very informative yet still fun! keep it up! still waiting for the invite to come and help and work my butt off! you seem like great fun people!
+Cameron Reeves [Liz] That's great to hear, thanks for the nice comment. If you decide to support us on Patreon you'll be in with a chance to win a week on Esper. 😀😎😸
These sailing vids have me thinking of buying a McGregor to sail up and down the Chesapeake Bay. My wife fears that I won't stop there. She also doesn't swim. Life may get more interesting in a short time.
+Will W Some of the best sailors don't swim, it makes them extra careful not to fall in! Seriously, though, she needs to learn, it will open up experiences to her.
[Liz] Thanks for the invite! At the moment we can't go to NZ or Oz because of the quarantine restrictions on Millie. But never say never, eh? Good luck with the silver dollar! ;)
thanks guys for those very interesting points in choosing a boat. and glad to see your cat happy on board. stay safe :)
You were at Ocean Marina Thailand?
YOU KIDS ARE THE BEST!!!! THANKS FOR YOUR E-MAILS, I LOOK FORWARD TO KEEPINGUP WITH ESPER AND BOTH OF YOU. HAPPY SAILING AND LOOKING FORWARD TO SOME OF YOUR MORE DISTANT YOYAGES AFTER COVID. EDDY
By far the best of the cruising videos. Great mix of sailing, relationships and commentary about places and people.
Thanks! Ross
[Liz] We're thrilled and humbled by your comment and delighted that you like our series. We constantly try to get the mix right, and strive to keep it real. Peace and fair winds!
Jamie and Liz, thank you both for making the time to share with us your life and wisdom. I watch your videos for two reasons. 1) to gain insights and to expand my knowledge of being a live a board and 2) (which is just as important to me ) to get an English fix! (I have lived in Brazil for 10 years and speak and think 99% of my days and nights in Portuguese :-)). Thanks again, Derek.
[Liz] Thanks for the lovely comment, and so glad you are enjoying your English fix!
By the way, watch out for next week's (Jan 2018) "how-to" video , which is an update on this earlier episode, and totally devoted to "how to buy a liveaboard boat"! This week's episode was all about "how to become a liveaboard": ruclips.net/video/dRcYm-BnTjI/видео.html
Love the fact that you aren't constantly trying to shoot a selfie even when trying to shoot scenery like so many other channels tend to do.
'Like a woman's handbag you expand the bag to fit the size of the object...' love it!!!
+Rudy Castaneda [Liz] It's true, no bag or boat is ever big enough! 😀
Your talk about guests at 18m45s is brutal honesty and possibly the best advice in the video, at least for me. Years ago my wife and I moved far from friends and family and made an open invitation for all to come explore our new area with us (US NW). In six years about half our family visited once each, and the only friends to visit were either passing through or were in the area for completely different reasons. I keep telling myself that when we own a boat it will be different - but deep down I know it won't, and I need to stop looking at big boats with unnecessary accommodations.
+Paul Smyers [Liz] Sadly, it is true, but the good news is you don't have to buy a big boat to accommodate guests (most of whom love sleeping on deck in our experience) and can use bunks as valuable storage areas!
Peace and fair winds!
Loved the variety of this post guys! AND like the sailing bits too, lots of vid on weather! neat thank you
+daedster1 Thank you!
Great... I'm joining the same life within 2 years from now... love the laid back attitude and fun way you two interact...
+JOHN HARLE [Liz] Thanks so much for the great comment. Good luck with your plans. Peace and fair winds!
Great vid to watch. I feel as if I'm coming to the end of my rope here on land and hearing the sea call more and more. I'm stepping into my first actual boat and this helped me answer MANY questions (including if I could keep my kitty) I just couldn't find answers to anywhere. Time to binge watch!
Thanks for the video, very informative and a good watch.
I have been watching a young couple sail adventures and stumbled upon yours.
You've answered quite a few of the questions i've had.
Thanks again.
+John Constable [Liz] So pleased we oldies could be of assistance! 😁 Peace, hope and happiness in 2017.
Really enjoy your videos. Jamie what is the brand of your foul weather gear? I really like the look of it. Is it very functional?
Very old Musto...
Well done, I never get tired of your videos, thank you both for entertaining us with all of your wisdom & humour!
+Kristen Fletcher [Liz] That's great to hear, thank you! Peace and fair winds 🙏⛵😸
I really like you two. We are abt to do the jump and live aboard full time and it is a great relief to connect with you two kind and knowledgeable and super talented adorable sailors.
i am learning to sail and love your videos. i hope one day i can live aboard a yacht. i have a small 26ft yacht atm.
how easy is it to find work ?
+Andrew Rose [Liz] So happy you enjoy the vids! It depends what kind of work and that country's regulations, in most places you'll need a work visa. Our income is from the rental of our home. Watch "How We Became Liveaboard Cruisers" for our thoughts on this. Peace and fair winds!
i work in security. asset protection and close protection. also a joiner and good all round handyman.
am waching your vids sitting under a wind turbine lols. i also watch them with my partner. loving your vids and advice
be safe and thanks for replying
Great Sailing thanks for sharing Hilton and Susan from SA
Your vids are such fun. Thanks for all the good information, some new, but also confirmatory. Learning a lot. And you are such good spirited folks.great choice in dinghy by the way..
Jamie you are a lucky man! Liz a lucky lady.
Capt. ChinaMike. S/V Venceremos, 54 S&S, out of San Diego.
Wish you well! Keep the vids coming...
Your ship looks very nice after your extensive and interesting refit along side the Totem crew in Thailand. I enjoyed these knowledgeable facts on blue water sailboats and you brought out some points I hadn't recognized before....thank you!
[Liz] Very happy to hear you enjoyed the refit. Peace and fair winds!
I noticed Millie received a lot of camera love on this episode. Great video, and thanks for your opinion of the " as close as you are going to get" perfect cruiser. Great info! I also just became a supporter. It's not much but it can buy you a few beers a month. Fair winds!
+MrSharkphoto Thank you, thank you! We really appreciate the gesture, it's kind of you. Money will go on Internet credit before it's spent on beer ;) Thanks once again and fair winds to you.
you guys are a hoot. great vids my wife and I are enjoying them. she retires in 4 yrs and we have just started looking for our retirement journey. great information in your vids thanks and keep them coming. big hugs and fair winds. :-)
+James Williams [Liz] Lovely comment, thank you. Peace and fair winds!
Hi Both, great video. A quick tip that may make life a bit easier for you. I noticed during the heroic mainsail reefing bit, the sail was entering the mast in a manner that trapped the cloth against the side of the mast slot. This doubles the friction of an inmast reefing system. If you had put in a brief tack just to reef, the sail would be running free onto the revolving spindle, resulting in less friction and a faster, and tidier reef that doesn't have to be re-addressed at some later time. It is also a lot less strain on the system and crew, and the sail itself will take much less of a beating, with the resulting longer lifespan. It's something you may already know, in which case apologies for being a smartarse, but if you have tried it before (consciously) give it a whirl. You might even impress yourself :-). Keep up the laughs.
Great to listen about the sailboat selection. I think i prefer the blue water cruiser type but I'm going to be single handed and still undecided. Thanks for the info!
+steve winn Glad we could be of some assistance, Steve. Good luck with your adventures.
Great presentation of your life on the boat. Many thanks from Lismore NSW Australia.
+Walter [Liz] It's great to know we're reaching you in NSW! And happy you enjoyed the episode. Peace and fair winds!
First time taking a look at your channel. An enjoyable and informative video. Thanks for sharing.
+Michael Skorulski [Liz] So happy you enjoyed it! Peace and fair winds!
Such a great, truly informative video. Thanks for all the invaluable info on choosing a boat. As we transition from land to liveaboard, it's a good reminder that less is more.
+Leanne Cyr Cheers Leanne. Yep, couldn't agree with you more, although we do like our toys (drone, fishing rod etc etc).
Another great video! Love seeing Millie content and dry.💕
Cheers, Nan. We'll forward on your best wishes to Millie.
Nice crack shot jamie!..... still loving the new style. See you guys in a few weeks
[Liz] Thanks! Hope they are getting on with the work on your boat...
I took a Lagoon 57 Catamaran from the Caribbean up to Florida to deliver it for an owner. As crew I had hired two solid single handers. With over a half a million miles at sea between us we all rated the trip as the most miserable of our lives. it was like being swirled around in a flying pan and then slapped down on the stove! as we crept to weather . Coming into Florida we were running before a gale with a jet ski wake off both bows under bare poles and just could not slow the boat down. It was a real pleasure to get into Lauderdale. We also once rescued a 40ft Cat that was floating upside down in the BVI while on charter on another trip and got the crew aboard,. ( A down draft under full sail &, a stuck mainsheet wrecked that sailing day, some Cats have a weak link to avoid this) I know some people love them and at anchor or in a reasonable trade wind sail they are a pleasure especially on the nets and whats not to like at a steady 10K plus.... They make ideal nearshore charter boats but you must sail them within the envelope and understand the limitations both in loading and handling, its a special skill. I have to say though I am with the crew of follow the boat; a long way from land, loaded with gear, whether you take another day or another week once you settle in to the boat it doesn't matter. My longest trip was 36 days on a boat with no engine across the Atlantic ( 2 weeks almost stationary, pulling her with a rowboat!) and when we finally got to Antigua it seemed something of a shame to stop. No doubt Cats are more comfortable in light to moderate winds but I will never deliver another one across an ocean or offshore. Incidentally when the lagoon was surveyed for sale it had stress cracks all across the main beam structure which supported the mast.... So if you are buying a Cat look very closely at this area. In terms of which boat to pick I have met sailors on everything from a Contessa 26 to a 65 foot Swan and bigger. Personally I think the sweet spot is around 45ft for one, two or a small family, but its definitely a personal opinion especially if you wish to avoid the hassles of needing crew and get into some tight spots around the world. It also avoids looking like a wealthy visitor. Don't overlook some good American boats, Hinckley, Bristol, gene the Gulfstar 50, and if you buy in the States the chandlery is cheap to refit just watch out for sales tax. Cheers Nigel
+Nigel Studdart [Liz] Very nicely put. Thank you for sharing your invaluable experience here. Peace and fair winds!
I really love that you guys are actually staying on the hook rather than sailing between marinas etc. love to hear about the power systems in your boat. You sound like you love a bit of electronic gear between your AIS and cameras etc - do you have to ration your electricity or do you make enough with your 4 rail mounted panels ? Did some of the best diving on the walls around phi phi. Loved Langkawi too but for more on land stuff
+Wade Smith (Wadeabout) In the south west monsoon period we struggle a bit with lack of sun. We both spend considerable time on the computers and have many batteries to charge. We have a petrol generator as back up though.
followtheboat ah yes. I remember the Honda ? On the bow
Great video Liz and Jamie. Life like a boat is a compromise! Thailand here we come.
+Greg Currie Cheers, Greg. Thailand welcomes you.
...great Advices... love your vlog... for me; there are just 2 boats to discover the world; Amel 55 and Amel 64! Cutter Rigged Ketch' with love and Style! Love it! ...with lovely greets from Munich, Germany! ;)
[Liz] Yes, Amels are solid boats (do you follow the Delos team?) they were just too expensive for us, though. Oysters are really quality boats too--sturdy and comfortable. Ours is a cutter-rigged ketch, unusual for an Oyster, but we love the sail plan, and are really pleased we ended up with a ketch. Many liveaboards choose ketches. Peace and fair winds!
Hey... thanks for answering so quick! - I'm sailing my whole life... and a Ketch was always the perfect idea to me for a BIG bluewater cruiser... way before i get connected with the very famous and awesome crew of Delos! - there's nothing better out there than Delos and the Crew and their Spirit to get inspired... to get dreams realized! BUT; other Channels like yours, La Vagabonde, the Wynns and Sailing Uma are sooooo important and inspiring too! 'cos... leaving ALL... living aboard is such a live changing decision..... a very fundamental thing! ...with much love, tom ;)
[Liz] It's the BEST decision you will ever make! :)
Great info we are looking for a boat now but I have a question we have a cat to bring with us what do you do with the cat box and was millie young when she started to go
[Liz] Millie joined us when she was about two months old. We trained her to use the heads, so no kitty litter gets spilled as SY Esper heels. We only use a litter box when we leave her on her own overnight. Good luck with the boat search!
awesome video thanks for sharing, keep them coming, Thank you so much for the advice on the perfect boat. Fuel would kinda of like to know an estimate of fuel you use on a monthly basis diesel and propane? I understand it really depends on the journey and the wind & tides just an estimate and rough idea of cost per gallon in different ports, the difficulty of finding fuel and how you get it to the boat?
Good questions, Dennis. Gonna add these to our list of questions to be answered in a future episode. For the record diesel in Malaysia is anything between 1.8 - 2 ringit for a litre (50p). We carry 360lt and it lasts us all season.
I do not always comment on your videos and I love them all, but I have to say the last couple seem to have ratcheted up a few notches with a lot more energy, vibrancy and content all gently marinated with humour. Well done.👍Now cut to the chase when do we get to see the engine video (s)?😉
+Norman Boyes Soon, Norman! Thanks for the kind comment, glad you like the new editing style.
I think that this was maybe my favourite of your episodes. You two are great!
[Liz] Wow, thanks Mr P! We are constantly trying to improve and move forward on the filming and editing, and hoping the shorter, current content is a positive step. Peace and fair winds!
Oh, I am a huge fan of the shorter, more frequent and up-to-date format. I watched this video, just after your latest one & they're much more... accessible - I felt much more "connected" with you. This particular one though, is a triumph, what with the really helpful stuff, interspersed with the trips. xx
[Liz] It's great to know you feel more connected, I hadn't thought of it that way, but I can see that would be good thing. :)
A great episode although I think Jamie was being a bit cheeky highlighting Liz's ASSets.😉
Do you two ever do any overnight legs and if so how do you manage the watches?
+Ed Rymes [Liz] Lots of overnight sails and ocean crossings. It's just the two of us, so on average we maintain 3 hours on and 3 hours off. You just learn to grab snatches of sleep when you can. Peace and fair winds!
Keen to know where your amazing (mood uplifting) shirts come from? Really enjoyed all blogs to date especially all of the refit. Hate to imagine the cost!
Great video thanks for sharing. Sooooo glad Millie is ok, have you thought of netting on the guardwires? You mentioned my question about anchoring and now there are more cruisers do you have problems getting a spot, but you didn't answer, I'm hoping you will in a later episode. By the way Sailing Cacique is pronounced 'Ka Seek' it means indian chief she is a Vancouver 27 and circumnavigated 1990 to 1993.
Another question (I have so many). You have a ketch cutter rig with in-mast reefing, what do you think of in mast reefing, would you have it again? What do you think of Junk rig/ Lugsail, Blondie Hasler used this rig on Jester and commented that he never went on deck for sail handling for his entire Atlantic crossing.
Thanks again, Fair winds.
PS My name is Jamie and my wife is Issy :)
Hi Jamie,thanks for the questions. We answered the one about space to anchor by showing you an aerial shot of Esper at anchor on her own! Loads of empty anchorages in this part of the world. We also answered your question about the junk but we had to edit it out because of time. As a liveaboard I wouldn't get one because we do find ourselves sailing close hauled and this might present problems. We love the In-mast furling though and would happily choose it again.
My steel tub has an underpowered Universal Atomic 4 that was installed back in the day when the view was that five gallons of gas and getting in and out of marinas and anchorages was all you needed or wanted.
I see that you have a BetaMarine, but you've had some trouble with it? How do you like the beta? I'm looking at the Beta38, and a 17" fan for it. What do you love about your Beta? What do you hate? Would the money be better spent on another brand in your opinion?
Much appreciated.
Hi +ekfinn. We've had no problems with the Beta, it was only installed four months ago. Are you referring to our old Perkins?
Haha love the end!
another great video, thanks.
Drunken antics, Franco. Please excuse us.
Could you give me your list of sites where boats are listed for sale worldwide? I would like to compare prices between regions.
+appas www.yachtworld.com
Very nice video. Thanks for sharing. I love the info. Where are you guys now? I'd love to do the same but it will be just me and my 3 dogs. What boat do you recommend for a single mid age woman? Maybe the sailing boat would be complicated? The idea is to travel as much as possible and stay in marinas to work from time to time. Where do you think it is best to buy? You said "the other side of the world". Where exactly? Happy Travels!!
[Liz] We're in a marina on Langkawi at this very moment, intending to head to Sumatra as soon as we can. I would not want to recommend a boat at this stage. You need to get out there and test lots of different boats to work out what would be right for you. Go on some courses, go on some sailing holidays, get in touch with a broker and arrange to look at boats. Then decide what kind of sailing you expect to do, coastal hopping or crossing oceans?
We met a boat with three cats and two dogs on it once, so three dogs may not seem as optimistic as it sounds. With careful systems in place, it could be done.
Peace and fair winds!
Awesome. Thank you for your response. I've been researching ways and places I can learn sailing and about boats. It might take a while but I'm positive that having a boat is the best and safest way (maybe the less expansive way) to travel with pets. Happy travels!
Finally , a worthy contender to the La Vagabond stories
Love the style guys !
Let me know when you get to Singapore and will have you join us aboard at One15 Marina
+Iain Brown [Liz] Wow! What an amazing comment! We'll take it as a great compliment, thank you! And if we get to Singapore, we'll take you up on your offer too!! Peace and fair winds.
We have just returned from Thailand after a 2 week bare boat charter from Yacht Haven Marina. It is nice to see the familiar Islands, the seas, the storms. Is the Wolf Herring the one that jumps out of the water and skips along on its tail? The boat we hired ( Bavaria 37 ) had in mast furling, I was quite impressed with the ease of which this worked, how have you found it on your boat? BTW we are looking at ultimately buying a keel boat, the choice of the Bavaria was deliberate and part of our trialling of things. Thanks for the informative series.
Alan B [Liz] Ah, beautiful Yacht Haven Marina... did you rent the boat through our friend, Gunnar of Yachtpro by any chance!? Beautiful area to explore. Best of luck with the boat purchase! Peace and fair winds.
We rented the boat through Elite Yacht Charter
+Alan B Ah, OK.
really really really good video. your best one yet. most informative.
Thanks for the kind comment, Tom.
so happy the kitty did not go down to Davy Jone's locker !!
Huge relief.
Great video, What rule as far as AGE goes ? when buying a sailboat.... How long will a fiberglass boat last... Practically ??
Hi guys love the short films you are doing i have only just started watching...i have a quick question for you... i live in perth western australia i am going to buy a boat to live an sail on...here is the question...do you feel safe sailing around the asian countries and what precautions do you take...all the best chris :)
+Chris liddell Our limited experience of Thailand and Malaysia suggests there are few issues to worry about. Theft is just as likely to be done by other yachties. Piracy is mainly on the commercial vessels.
Excellent for those of us who have never sailed and long to!
+Amy Faith [Liz] Great! We're bringing a new video out devoted purely to this question over Christmas. Peace and fair winds!
Love your vids! So educational.
Cheers, Zarih!
Great vlog again, always informative and interesting. What brand and model is the red and black waterproof jacket that Jamie wears and whats the verdict on it? Would he buy it again if he needed another one? Thanks in advance : )
Hi Chris. It's a Musto (UK-made) coastal jacket. I mention 'coastal' because it is not off-shore, not in a cold weather sense. It's light enough but still keeps me warm and dry. There's a couple of design issues with the hood that annoy me and some of the waterproof strips that protect the inner stitching have come away but it's over ten years old and it's taken a few batterings. I remember someone telling me that Henri Lloyd gear was the best but that was year ago. Technologies change and I do like the Musto design (appearance). Would I buy it again? I'd still shop around but I'd be happy if I went with Musto again.
Thanks for taking the time to reply
Thanks for the info, just started to look at sail boats. Not a lot in Wyoming to check out.
+whitetail [Liz] Hmmmm, you might need to go further afield to check them out up close and personal... Good luck with the search.
Sailing round the world seems pretty labour intensive, how many calories do you consume per day?
+Roman P [Liz] Nowhere near enough when we're at anchor (which is most of the time!) 😊 When we sail we burn off the fat pretty fast!
Great video......Great information.........Thanks, keep them coming.
[Liz] It's messages like yours which encourage us to improve and keep them coming. Next one comes out tomorrow (Thursday), don't miss it, and tell us what you think!
hi guys... i wanted to ask how you manage your drinking water supply while on board?
[Liz] We use water straight from the tanks, made by our water-maker.
thanks for the heads up...i will have to start looking for my boat soon :)))
+Chris liddell [Liz] Good luck with the search! Exciting!
Good to hear your views on live aboard boats. I do have one question about life as a cruiser is there a lot of fees involved in bringing a boat into a country?
+steve hansen Hey Steve. It depends on the country. In some there may be an admin fee but usually it's not much. Maldives was super expensive, as was Egypt, that had to do with transiting the Suez.
missed that bit keep up the great vids and thanks for the quick reply
Well done you two happy cruising from a Hans Christian MkII owner down here in Australia
Hope to be at sea August 2018 after a refit...Then Brisbane to Perth (Across the top)
Cheers,
Gunny on Starshine
+Trevor Gunning [Liz] Wow, excellent news! Peace and fair winds!
Hey guys, great video as always. Any chance that you could add some maps now that you are not on your secret island?
-johnny
Yeah, we really should do that again, Johnny. Noted.
Hello, enjoyed your vid. I am working towards doing an adventure. Have bought a boat. Will do required maintenance, add required equipment and go. Target is summer 2018. I'm on Lake Superior, so I have window of 5 months to get the boat ready. I've read many books on the subject and have a fair idea of what I am getting myself into. My question is: insurance. Boat and health? Boat insurance is pretty straight forward. However, health insurance is a cuncern. Once I've left my employer, and am no longer on the plan, what then? Thanks and happy cruising.
Hi Robert. We've covered both subjects recently. For health insurance check out 'The Best Island In The World' clip. I can't remember the boat insurance one off the top of my head but it was recorded in the last six months.
Nice videos. Gives me hope that in a few years, as I become more proficient, my wife and I will cruise the world. Any thoughts on trimarans? (Other than the extreme expense!)
+dierpap [Liz] Thanks for the encouragement! Never sailed a trimaran, and we've seen few liveaboards on trimarans...But it doesn't mean they don't work well! We're hardened monohull believers 😎
Have you guys gone to a comedy course? Enjoying the wit and games very much. As well as the good info delivered.
Humour is important. Not just on a boat but generally in life. We edit out the bickering of course ;)
It seems Jamie is in a better mood, is that due to editing? Or the new do and beard:-)
+Winded Voyage The beard. Definitely the beard.
I think I'm the first!
great video! You guys mixed it up a bit this time. I hope Liz's mom is doing okay. The cat going overboard last video was crazy! You forgot one thing that most monohulls can survive and a CAT never will. A good blow over! CAT's are much more stable upside down than right side up.
I'm a bit old school and the way a a good monohull moves thru the water is so nice. Being a power boater its amazing how a well designed boat handles rough seas so much better than one that isn't. If you have unlimited funds buy a CAT and sail when it works for the boat.
Theres a reason a 55 foot Amel costs over 2 million dollars and the same size CAT costs half that. Delos is a 2000 53 foot Amel i think and could sell for $500,000 easy! They cost of a new 40+ CAT.
It would be so cool if you ran into sailing Emerald Steel along your journey!
Great comment, Jonathan. We should have discussed this in more detail in the actual discussion, which is why in post production we flashed up the 'watch the stability curve' caption!
+Jonathan Kaany [Liz] Thanks for remembering, Mum's doing very well, safe at her house in loving care. 🙏❤
Haha... so the follow up to the lost cat episode was the one i was looking for... and your tip about clicking the "i" button got me to that episode... it worked ... thanks :) (i did subscribe anyway). Good luck for 2017.
[Liz] Cheers!
Great info guys. Also take into account that in the if you get a boat larger than 50' you will need captains licence or a full time captain to get insurance. While most cruisers don't have insurance. This in California.
Bruce TheC [Liz] Thanks for the tip... didn't know that. Not sure it's the same for UK?
How do You feel about tri-hull Boats?
+Tor Blackthorn [Liz] We don't have any experience of tri-hull boats, so can't really give an opinion. They seem a great idea for racing, but I'm not sure how practical they might be as a liveaboard. Peace and fair winds!
Peter here Jamie - Whoa! you've opened a can of worms there LOL asking opinions on either a Cat or Monohull. Cats great for living aboard but really an RV on water and bad for upwind sailing compared to a monohull. Now closing that very large contentious can of worms you opened Captain - Fair winds from the Caribbean to you three (Milly)
We knew it was a can of worms, Peter. We tried to be as diplomatic as possible ;)
It was a very informed video for which we salute you both ;-) We are monohull devotees but sometimes pass a nice cat thinking what a great RV to live on. Keep up the great vids - Fair winds from the Caribbean.
I really enjoy your videos and it's helping me with my decisions. You will think I'm nuts - take a number, like at a deli counter, yours will be #521 - but I have narrowed it down to a Navetta 28, Hatteras 70e, MCY 6. More contenders, but it depends on business plans and sad (but inevitable) demise of parents. This or bust. If you ever get to Australia, hope to invite you on board and genuinely thank you for your entertaining vids.
+jjaus [Liz] Thanks for all the lovely words. It would be a pleasure to open a few cold ones with you one day! Peace and fair winds!
By the way, watch out for next week's (Jan 2018) "how-to" video , which is an update on this earlier episode, and totally devoted to "how to buy a liveaboard boat"! This week's episode was all about "how to become a liveaboard": ruclips.net/video/dRcYm-BnTjI/видео.html
Possibly the best video to date. Lots of sailing, scenery and Millie! But I think we're still getting a cat.
Go for it, Bill, and long may you enjoy her. Fair winds to you.
Likewise! You guys are inspirational.Today was a significant mile-marker for us as it's Joni's birthday and we want to start cruising before she has 3 more. So close, yet so far.
what would the smallest boat you would ocean cross in comfortably. and what would be the biggest that the two of you could handle the rig?
[Liz] Having lived in a 43ft boat and accumulated so much stuff over the last decade, I couldn't see us in anything smaller. BUT American's boat is a beamy 36ft, and I could easily cross an ocean in it.
Beam is very important when considering size.
As for the biggest, I doubt we'd want to go for anything above 56ft, and it would very much depend on rig, sail plan and ease of use because we seldom sail with any other crew. Peace and fair winds!
I noticed you've replaced your dinghy. Did you have problems with the porta-bote?
Hi David. The Portabote took a hit in our accident last year. There are some other reasons which we'll try and cover off in a future episode but it boiled down to needing something a bit more powerful for emergencies.
My cat Mimi has gone for a swim twice now. I leave my boarding ladder in the water to help her get out.
great advise.... just sold my one..waiting my retirement ..at the moment look you videos...and dream. keep going
[Liz] Keep the dream alive!
Great Video guys, glad millie is back and things are back to normal.I wonder if you guys ever sail naked? I just think you two seem so good to each other and you are in the right atmosphere,not too many people around etc. A na or ya will be ok Thanks and safe travels..
I think we'll save this answer for a future video, john! Could make for some interesting comments. Just don't expect video evidence from us.
Myself (a sailor of 50 years), my wife and 2 boys aged 5 and 13 are excited to do extended cruising. We need something bigger than a boat for a couple. Also we need something automated that can essentially be sailed solo by a reasonably fit but aging man. I also don't want to be a boat maintenance slave, constantly fixing things on a 30 year old boat. I have an offer in now on a recent 2013 Jeanneau 57 which seems to fit the bill for 80% coastal cruising interspersed with 20% ocean passages. The boys can have their own space. I looked at older ocean cruisers in the 50-60 foot range, like a Swan , Oyster, Halberg Rassy, Hinckley and found that the boats that were affordable were most often victims of deferred maintenance, essentially being sold with NO sails, NO rig, NO engine, NO teak deck since theses systems were all at or hear end-of-life. $400K for a boat which needs $200K before you can even trust it is no bargain- but it is an enjoyable, albeit expensive hobby for the right person. Me, I'd rather be sailing.
Thanks for this great info on boat selection.
+Todd Murray [Liz] You're very welcome! Peace and fair winds 🙏⛵
Hi... what a great episode... I'm one of your latest patrons I think, it's such a pleasure to support all the information you are giving us...(I recently changed my RUclips name from alberciik to alexxx, not sure under which my message comes out).. I'm at this episode right now, and I continue watching the rest as I go along'..you mentioned this important thing about the differences between true blue water monohulls, production monohulls (like Benneteau, Jeanneau as you said) And catamarans.... I'm saving for a boat to retire on , and still not sure if it will be on a cat or a mono... but if you could answer some questions It would be so helpful... you mentioned blue water monohulls makers like Hallberg Rassy, Swan, Amel, and others, you also mentioned the Hull material they're made of.. ... if you were in my place and if you had to pick one of those solid blue water makers, second hand of course, which maker would it be? For longevity, solidity, ease of life on it, and no risk of osmosis or electrolysis... My second question is - so many people out there tend to go for cats with their stability on anchorage as the main reason... they say they roll less than the monohulls... is that really true? And is there a difference in how much a monohull rolls depending if it's a boat made by a solid blue water maker like Amel, Hallberg, Swan, or yours.....or the Benneteau, jeanneau, etc... do the first ones tend to sit in the rolling waters better than the second ones? .... sorry about this long question, but I had always wanted to ask those to someone who knows what they're talking about... thanks guys !! Hugs...
First of all a massive thank you for your support, Alexxx. We appreciate it. Your support goes a long way in helping with the production of our videos. Your question is quite well timed because we're soon to publish a video on cats vs monos but... because you're now a Patreon you're gonna get to see this in a few hours from now! All those blue water cruisers are good. The Swan is the most beautiful and classic but the last practical as a liveaboard. You don't get so much room for your money. I honestly couldn't decide between the other brands but I'd you pushed me I'd probably say Amel. They've really put a lot of thought into the end user's practical requirements. Right now we are in a really bouncy anchorage but the waves are coming head on, not from the side. In these particular conditions I'd prefer to be on a mono as it cuts through the waves. A cat would be slamming right now. But these are unusual circumstances, most rolly anchorages are from the side and no blue water cruiser would be more stable than a cat. IMO, however, these are not the top reasons for choosing a cat over a mono. Check the video out. Thanks once again for your support. Fair winds!
Yes, I heard so much nice stuff about Amel as well... I saw one on a a windy anchorage one and while other monohulls, and a couple of lagoon 38's were bouncing around, that Amel, a 53 or 52 footer it was, was barely moving...but then, I spent time on a lagoon 420 some time ago, and that also felt real nice.... the longer and heavier the monohull, the less rolling sensation, right? And finally, from your experience, which hull material would be the least exposed to osmosis and the electrolysis? Sorry, more questions... but it's a real pleasure to be able to ask you guys those questions.....And no matter how many boat repairs and fixes you have to deal with, you are an inspiration....(sorry, i forgot to ask, in what year was your boat made and with which hull material? - it is a British maker isn't it..)
I'd go with grp or steel. Alu is good in theory but there is the issue of electrolysis. If you are happy to stay on top of that then it's a good alternative but grp and steel are easier to work with.
Replacing a teak deck on an affordable used Swan 61- quotation from a reputable UK yard- $130,000. That roughly amortizes to $8000 per year over the 15 year life of the deck. Watch out for those deferred maintenance costs. Owners use the boats up and expect you to pay for their usage (sails, rig, engine, teak, ...)
And fourthly: a new boat does not have the usual paraphernalia a used boat does, so you'll also need to buy extra's and fit them after the initial purchase of the boat itself - windgen, solar, extra mooring lines, fenders, anchors, extra sails, tools, etc.
Good point, Rowan.
Arguably a catamaran is better suited for trade wind cruising and doesn't suffer from the horrible roll of death as monos do. No heeling or sinking either. Admittedly they are dear but essentially you get twice as much boat... ;)
+Frank [Liz] Arguably...🤔😎😀
Could I bring my *synthesizers, drum machines*, etc..., on a live aboard (45ft cat), and turn a berth into a mini music studio? Or, would the ocean air be likely to corrode the circuitry?
+Funk Daddy Hey Funk. I think electronics fair better these days. We were always warned about laptops corroding when we first started out but it hasn't happened yet. I have an S2 mixer which I use for the odd bit of DJING but I do keep that in a Peli case so that could be an (expensive) option, to put all your gear in stackable, mountable waterproof cases. If you're using old 808s, 303s etc they may be more susceptible to the marine environment. I can't say for sure. We've met many musicians who have instruments on the boat, including a classical pianist who had a full sized keyboard on her boat. Took three people to get that thing on and off the boat, mind. It came in a carry case, not a waterproof one, and I'd say that's fine.
followtheboat THANK YOU!!!
I have tried so hard to find an answer to this question, and you answered it. I really appreciate that you know what an 808 or 303 is. Most of my gear was built in the last 5 years, and it is a combination of digital, analogue, and hybrid. And yes I have Roland's latest versions of the TR-808 and TB-303 (TR-8 & TB-3).
I reckon the newer versions should be ok. You sound like the kind of person we'd like to bump into in an anchorage. It's hard to find like-minded people when sailing, especially when it comes to music!
followtheboat That would be really cool to meet you guys one day. I to have a hard time meeting people who share my taste in music. Stay well my friend :)
A smart sailor ones told me, the best boat for you is the smallest one you can deal with but the biggest one you can effort... kind of a matter of finding the right balance there I guess.... and then of course a million compromises in between...
Nice wrapup of many points though
+Project Manaia [Liz] Like life, sailing's all about balance, I couldn't agree more.
Oh a little fish never hurt anybody right Jamie!!! I got yur back bro!!
+yupp1000 Cheers, dude. Yeah, just a little fishy. No big deal.
I learned a lot from this video. Thank you!!
Hello you two! I'm James and I'm Lovin you guy's video's! Just one question though, I hate to ask but how do you handle your waste?
James Fucci [Liz] Rubbish is taken ashore. Anything organic goes over the side. We have a holding tank for anchorages. Peace and fair winds.
Hello there Liz. Thanks for the response! I guess I was meaning to ask. When your anchored in different countries, can you just find the nearest marina or dumping area? Do they charge you guys? Thanks again. Peace and fair winds be with you two :)
mono versus cat well you cant put a rail in the water on a cat well i guess you can but its going to get very exciting if you try it with a cat and very expensive very fast.my boat is a Gulfstar 44.8 and i love it. we have been living on her for 6 months now and have sailed her over 1500 miles and will be heading out. after storm season for our trip around the world. i hope to run into you guys some day out there. stay safe and good sailing...
by the way glad to see you got your cat back. we have a cat as well and would be lost with out her.
+S/V Second Chance Sailing [Liz] You got it! 😀 Peace and fair winds!
cheers guy's great vid as always....
Cheers, Robert. Glad you enjoyed the episode.
Straight to camera. You're good. Very good.
+Michael Read Cheers, Michael, very cheers.
Why not catch rainwater for washing and drinking, reducing the use on your watermaker. Love all your videos by the way. Thanks.
Hi folks, have you any thoughts and/or experience with ultrasonic antifouling? Do you know if it works?
Hi Bazza. No experience, I'm afraid, but it does look like a good proposition.
Great video like the water shots and the sails nautical stuff, see Millie earns her keep, dear cat, maybe she lost her balance hanging it over the rail because the head was occupied and she didn't want to wait
Hehehe!
Ha ha ha ha, I laughed at 12:28. Cute. You guys are adorable!
Langkawi is a nice island for a holiday. I live in Penang. Do you plan to stop there as well?
We love Penang! Been many times. No intention of heading down there just yet but we'll give you a shout when we do.
followtheboat Please don't hesitate to do so.
Pinch pinch pinch....lol fun old vid TY! For me the mid weight racer cruiser is not about "speed" the boats like the Jeanneau or 80's IOR type boats is that they can make way in lighter air. A stiffer boat that points well has more options when shaping a course. Cats, advantages yes but......$$. Cats have advantages and disadvantages, but..... $$
awesome video! very informative yet still fun! keep it up! still waiting for the invite to come and help and work my butt off! you seem like great fun people!
+Cameron Reeves [Liz] That's great to hear, thanks for the nice comment. If you decide to support us on Patreon you'll be in with a chance to win a week on Esper. 😀😎😸
Hi guys from Sydney, do you consider the Island Packet a true 'Bluewater cruiser"
Yep! They're pretty solid.
Love your channel. Glad you found your kitty.
+anironboot [Liz] Thank you! She's all good again. Peace and fair winds!
Very interesting and informative. Thank you.
+James Svos [Liz] We're so pleased you found it interesting, thanks for your comment!
These sailing vids have me thinking of buying a McGregor to sail up and down the Chesapeake Bay. My wife fears that I won't stop there. She also doesn't swim. Life may get more interesting in a short time.
+Will W Some of the best sailors don't swim, it makes them extra careful not to fall in! Seriously, though, she needs to learn, it will open up experiences to her.
we just geting silver doller ready our boat but would love to do wot you do ... we from uk but live in new zealand ,come visit xx
[Liz] Thanks for the invite! At the moment we can't go to NZ or Oz because of the quarantine restrictions on Millie. But never say never, eh? Good luck with the silver dollar! ;)