I think that Madine was the right commander for the fleet, the problem is just that you turned too hard, too fast. I get that you needed to get around the front arcs, but this seems like the type of list that you definitely need some experience flying, so maybe give it a couple more runs to see if you can get a better handle on it.
I would run the list several times Ken. It's a good list! Then maybe switch out for Mothma and give it crack! I think it has fun potential. Great vid as always lads!
I liked Madine for the manueverability, not sure if a different Commander would have changed the outcome. Having that interdictor play tank and healer was the Savior of the fleet. I also really liked Vader as commander choice in this fleet.
I am inclined to agree. My MC30s were coming in hot and should have torn the Onagers to shreds. Having that Interdictor definitely helped keep them alive. - Ken
Personally I prefer Craken over Maddine because most of the time I feel like my Rebel smalls basically can get where they need to go with just the nav command. My personal experience is that its hard to get 3 MC30s all engaged, but two isn't too bad. When I take two I usually have one scout and one torpedo, and the scout has TRC and the Torpedo has H9s. Maybe swap the Hammerhead and Lando for two TRC90s?
It's funny you mention that. My next iteration swaps Madine out for Cracken. Torp Frigates become Scouts. Hammerhead and Hera are dropped in favor of Luke and BCC. - Ken
@@IONRadio Sounds really interesting, I look forward to seeing the Batrep! If you're curious here was my last iteration: armada.ryankingston.com/fleet/131332/
As someone who loves the MC30 I agree with some other comments that it's difficult to get them to succesfully chase. The only way to reliably unload all the black dice into the enemy is if you only have 1 that can activate first (which is a shame) or if you have something that can pin your target in place. I'd consider swapping out the hammerhead and one of the MC30s for the Aspiration, with 6 forward shields, and just ram it up the target Onager's nose so it can't go anywhere, and then break its back with the MC30s.
I feel like swapping the MC30s from Scouts to the Torpedo variant would have given the Rebel fleet a few more chances for accuracies, since Onagers only have single tokens and no Defensibe Retrofits. Another change could be the Hammerhead, I much prefer the cheaper Torpedo variant if the sole purpose of the ship is blocking and threatening a few extra dice if it gets to live long enough. Finally, maybe try a Slicer Tools GR75 to make the fleet better not only versus Squadron Onager lists, but also be able to slice Navigate Commands off of big ships trying to outrun the MC30 swarm. Thanks for the video guys, top content as always :)
Awesome video guys! I really like your list Ken. Now onto the percentages! (Numbers are rounded off) Ship vs Ship - John had a 26% red blank (18% for the season) and a 13% black blank (14% for the season) percentage. Ken had a 5% red blank (21% for the season) and 14% (22% for the season) black blank percentage.
Thanks, crazykev1985. You will see a newer evolution of this list at some point. I actually used this in the Team ITC tournament with some changes. - Ken
Thanks for the Armada content guys. I think your plan with this list is to block with your transports to allow the MC30's to throw all their dice. MC30s (whilst fast) hate chasing. You'll lose your transports or a MC30 but hopefully take out a flagship or something worth more points. I was actually surprised when you increased to speed three on the transport to keep up with the Onager? (IMO) You should have turned in to block the Interdictor to try and stop his escape... If you try to maneuver the MC's to not take shots then you wont get any back because they have no range. They are also quite tanky and with Admo Lando can usually take a front arc ISD without dying. Meaning that it will block the next turn and get another shot off again! Also I think Cracken would be slightly better. Give you a bit more tankiness. 1 less dice never hurts. GGs
John had to retreat his Onagers to keep them alive... Morale victory for me. :-D To be fair that was his best option. This list can take down Onagers quickly. - Ken
@@IONRadio I have been thinking, and maybe one thing that may work better to go up against the double oneger would be to try out a GAR fleet with OB-1, and thermal shields. Another idea would be bombers. Would an Akbar fleet be a better choice for those extra red dice?
As for a fleet build out, with going speed 4 most of the match perhaps the torpedo frigate would be an interesting choice for one or two of the MC30's.
They all were Torpedo Frigates... Do you mean Scout Frigates? Scratch that - I'm looking at my original version which did have Torpedo frigates... I will have to check my notes to determine why I made that change. - Ken
Ken, if you are going to fly scout mc30's, put TRC on them. Personally, I would change them to torpedo mc30's for the better accuracy chance. I would also drop the hammerhead for some rogues. If you continue to use Maxine, you need to take advantage of his ability. I never saw you perform an inside turn. You can stay at a higher speed that way and not travel as far. Also, you were first player... You need to always make sure you have one of your mc30's in a double arc by the end of the turn. Even if you came in from the front instead of trying to fly them all in from the side. First/last is your friend...use it.
I haven't played in a while but I don't see the use of the Hammerhead. I'd rather have a 30-some point bid for first than have that thing (I know that you went first anyway but still). I'd also run torpedo frigates rather than scouts. And I'd do Mon Mothma as the commander. Nav every turn with the MC30s and just dive into the flank/rear for black dice carnage.
The Hammerhead is decent, it's nice and cheap while being threatening enough that if it's ignored it will generate some real damage. On the Scout Corvette it's common to see slaved turrets for some extra long ranged firepower - 4 red is no joke, especially with an active Intensify Firepower!
Hey guys I love the weekly vids and I love the backseat Admiral videos. I have a question cus I’m newish to armada but what’s the difference between say a friendly list and a competitive list?
It really comes down to optimization I thing for the difference between friendly and competitive. A friendly list will generally have a theme or a gimmick the player is trying out. A competitive list has been refined to face pretty much every type of opponent. We do not play to many competitive fleets on the channel. If you look back to this season episode 3 and 4 are examples of competitive fleets. Both the sloane (S01.E03) and Thrawn (S01.E04) are competitive fleets and you can see that they are brutally efficient. -John
Impressive... Most Impressive! Vader on and Interdictor straddled by x2 Onagers. Grabbed some popcorn and soda! This is going to be good, as I see the opening screen credits and strange new ships really not seen at anytime before! Oh yeah Vader. For Ken's fleet, I think Mon Mothma would be a bit more effective, maybe change them to "Torpedo Frigates" as you have to get close to use the Concussion Torps anyways. with a ready Nav, you could do hit and run attacks. Foresight and Admonition are a must. :) Drop one activation.. still having 5 add expanded hanger or Bomber command and add 3 Y-Wings for annoyance.
Not sure if this was mentioned but at extreme range those evades could cancel two dice and when spent three. Could be wrong but I believe Ken was only treating those extreme shots as long range versus extreme, just an observation :-)
as for the commander question, i would go with lea or mon mothma for your list, but i also don't like the hammerhead, i would have taken a cr90 or a smal fighter screen
I need your opinion guys... i have tec: 1starter 2recustant 2 inv hand and GAR: 1 starter 2 venator. Should i buy another sep starter for that 2nd muni or a GAR pelta.
The answer you seek really depends on a number of factors and isn't something that can be answered easily. Some things to consider: Cost ($60 difference) and need (would you use the Munificent or 3-4 hardcells versus the Pelta). Which faction are you actively playing? Do you have a desire to collect at least one of everything? I would ask yourself what your reasoning is for picking up the 2nd Munificent vs the GAR Pelta. That may be the best way to look at it. - Ken
I think that Madine was the right commander for the fleet, the problem is just that you turned too hard, too fast. I get that you needed to get around the front arcs, but this seems like the type of list that you definitely need some experience flying, so maybe give it a couple more runs to see if you can get a better handle on it.
I got much better with this fleet while flying a Cracken version in the ITC TTS tournament. Some changes to suit my style and function better.
- Ken
I would run the list several times Ken. It's a good list! Then maybe switch out for Mothma and give it crack! I think it has fun potential. Great vid as always lads!
Ken does keep playing this list making some changes and played it in an online tournament recently. -John
What John said. Swapped in Cracken, changed to Scout Frigates, dropped Hera, added Luke.
- Ken
I liked Madine for the manueverability, not sure if a different Commander would have changed the outcome. Having that interdictor play tank and healer was the Savior of the fleet. I also really liked Vader as commander choice in this fleet.
I am inclined to agree. My MC30s were coming in hot and should have torn the Onagers to shreds. Having that Interdictor definitely helped keep them alive.
- Ken
Personally I prefer Craken over Maddine because most of the time I feel like my Rebel smalls basically can get where they need to go with just the nav command. My personal experience is that its hard to get 3 MC30s all engaged, but two isn't too bad. When I take two I usually have one scout and one torpedo, and the scout has TRC and the Torpedo has H9s. Maybe swap the Hammerhead and Lando for two TRC90s?
It's funny you mention that. My next iteration swaps Madine out for Cracken. Torp Frigates become Scouts. Hammerhead and Hera are dropped in favor of Luke and BCC.
- Ken
@@IONRadio Sounds really interesting, I look forward to seeing the Batrep! If you're curious here was my last iteration: armada.ryankingston.com/fleet/131332/
As someone who loves the MC30 I agree with some other comments that it's difficult to get them to succesfully chase. The only way to reliably unload all the black dice into the enemy is if you only have 1 that can activate first (which is a shame) or if you have something that can pin your target in place. I'd consider swapping out the hammerhead and one of the MC30s for the Aspiration, with 6 forward shields, and just ram it up the target Onager's nose so it can't go anywhere, and then break its back with the MC30s.
I feel like swapping the MC30s from Scouts to the Torpedo variant would have given the Rebel fleet a few more chances for accuracies, since Onagers only have single tokens and no Defensibe Retrofits. Another change could be the Hammerhead, I much prefer the cheaper Torpedo variant if the sole purpose of the ship is blocking and threatening a few extra dice if it gets to live long enough. Finally, maybe try a Slicer Tools GR75 to make the fleet better not only versus Squadron Onager lists, but also be able to slice Navigate Commands off of big ships trying to outrun the MC30 swarm.
Thanks for the video guys, top content as always :)
Ken ends up using a version of this fleet that he drops the hammerhead for a fighter wing. -John
Awesome video guys! I really like your list Ken.
Now onto the percentages! (Numbers are rounded off)
Ship vs Ship - John had a 26% red blank (18% for the season) and a 13% black blank (14% for the season) percentage. Ken had a 5% red blank (21% for the season) and 14% (22% for the season) black blank percentage.
Thanks, crazykev1985. You will see a newer evolution of this list at some point. I actually used this in the Team ITC tournament with some changes.
- Ken
@@IONRadio That's great! Looking forward to seeing how it evolved!
Thanks for the Armada content guys. I think your plan with this list is to block with your transports to allow the MC30's to throw all their dice. MC30s (whilst fast) hate chasing. You'll lose your transports or a MC30 but hopefully take out a flagship or something worth more points. I was actually surprised when you increased to speed three on the transport to keep up with the Onager? (IMO) You should have turned in to block the Interdictor to try and stop his escape...
If you try to maneuver the MC's to not take shots then you wont get any back because they have no range. They are also quite tanky and with Admo Lando can usually take a front arc ISD without dying. Meaning that it will block the next turn and get another shot off again!
Also I think Cracken would be slightly better. Give you a bit more tankiness. 1 less dice never hurts.
GGs
Oddly enough, the next iteration of this list uses Cracken.
- Ken
Really enjoyed this one.
Thanks, Jeff. Glad you enjoyed this one.
Onagers and mc30cs. My 2 favorite ships, and an excellent battle, yes please.
John had to retreat his Onagers to keep them alive... Morale victory for me. :-D
To be fair that was his best option. This list can take down Onagers quickly.
- Ken
YAAAA! Friday Armada is here!!!!
great game as always guys!
Thank you for releasing another video!
Our pleasure.
@@IONRadio I have been thinking, and maybe one thing that may work better to go up against the double oneger would be to try out a GAR fleet with OB-1, and thermal shields. Another idea would be bombers. Would an Akbar fleet be a better choice for those extra red dice?
I'd like to see Ken's fleet with Mon Mothma, switch to blue-dice MC-30s with H9s. Something like this:
MC30c Torpedo Frigate (63)
• Mon Mothma (27)
• Ordnance Experts (4)
• Assault Concussion Missiles (5)
• H9 Turbolasers (8)
• Foresight (8)
= 115 Points
MC30c Torpedo Frigate (63)
• Ezra Bridger (3)
• Ordnance Experts (4)
• Advanced Projectors (6)
• Assault Concussion Missiles (5)
• H9 Turbolasers (8)
• Admonition (6)
= 95 Points
MC30c Torpedo Frigate (63)
• Lando Calrissian (4)
• Ordnance Experts (4)
• Reactive Gunnery (4)
• Assault Concussion Missiles (5)
• H9 Turbolasers (8)
= 88 Points
GR-75 Medium Transports (18)
• Parts Resupply (3)
• Bright Hope (2)
= 23 Points
GR-75 Medium Transports (18)
• Hondo Ohnaka (2)
• Comms Net (2)
= 22 Points
Hammerhead Torpedo Corvette (36)
• Shriv Suurgav (6)
• External Racks (4)
• Garel's Honor (4)
= 50 Points
Total Points: 393
Ken does go on to make some changes to this list. I will discuss some of those changes in the next Backseat admiral episode. -John
@@IONRadio I'm looking forward to it!
As for a fleet build out, with going speed 4 most of the match perhaps the torpedo frigate would be an interesting choice for one or two of the MC30's.
They all were Torpedo Frigates... Do you mean Scout Frigates?
Scratch that - I'm looking at my original version which did have Torpedo frigates... I will have to check my notes to determine why I made that change.
- Ken
Ken, if you are going to fly scout mc30's, put TRC on them. Personally, I would change them to torpedo mc30's for the better accuracy chance. I would also drop the hammerhead for some rogues. If you continue to use Maxine, you need to take advantage of his ability. I never saw you perform an inside turn. You can stay at a higher speed that way and not travel as far. Also, you were first player... You need to always make sure you have one of your mc30's in a double arc by the end of the turn. Even if you came in from the front instead of trying to fly them all in from the side. First/last is your friend...use it.
Just got into the game, and MC30 swarms are my jam!! Just tabling everything, left and right! Planning on having 4 or 5 for my 1st Tournament fleet!
I haven't played in a while but I don't see the use of the Hammerhead. I'd rather have a 30-some point bid for first than have that thing (I know that you went first anyway but still). I'd also run torpedo frigates rather than scouts. And I'd do Mon Mothma as the commander. Nav every turn with the MC30s and just dive into the flank/rear for black dice carnage.
Ken makes a version that he drops the hammerhead and adds in a fighter screen. -John
The Hammerhead is decent, it's nice and cheap while being threatening enough that if it's ignored it will generate some real damage. On the Scout Corvette it's common to see slaved turrets for some extra long ranged firepower - 4 red is no joke, especially with an active Intensify Firepower!
Hey guys I love the weekly vids and I love the backseat Admiral videos. I have a question cus I’m newish to armada but what’s the difference between say a friendly list and a competitive list?
It really comes down to optimization I thing for the difference between friendly and competitive. A friendly list will generally have a theme or a gimmick the player is trying out. A competitive list has been refined to face pretty much every type of opponent. We do not play to many competitive fleets on the channel. If you look back to this season episode 3 and 4 are examples of competitive fleets. Both the sloane (S01.E03) and Thrawn (S01.E04) are competitive fleets and you can see that they are brutally efficient. -John
@@IONRadio Ok thanks
Impressive... Most Impressive! Vader on and Interdictor straddled by x2 Onagers. Grabbed some popcorn and soda! This is going to be good, as I see the opening screen credits and strange new ships really not seen at anytime before! Oh yeah Vader. For Ken's fleet, I think Mon Mothma would be a bit more effective, maybe change them to "Torpedo Frigates" as you have to get close to use the Concussion Torps anyways. with a ready Nav, you could do hit and run attacks. Foresight and Admonition are a must. :) Drop one activation.. still having 5 add expanded hanger or Bomber command and add 3 Y-Wings for annoyance.
Not sure if this was mentioned but at extreme range those evades could cancel two dice and when spent three. Could be wrong but I believe Ken was only treating those extreme shots as long range versus extreme, just an observation :-)
Nope, I was cancelling out 2 dice. John is just really quick with removing them. :)
- Ken
I'm writing this before i watch the match: i feel like the hammerhead is just canonfodder, bait, was that your intention Ken?
min 23, i was right lol
as for the commander question, i would go with lea or mon mothma for your list, but i also don't like the hammerhead, i would have taken a cr90 or a smal fighter screen
@@andyablluxembourg8627 Yeah, MonMothma would do way more for him than madine. His ships just needed to run nav commands and didn't need madine.
Ken in later versions of this list does change it out for a small fighter screen. -John
I need your opinion guys... i have tec: 1starter 2recustant 2 inv hand and GAR: 1 starter 2 venator. Should i buy another sep starter for that 2nd muni or a GAR pelta.
The answer you seek really depends on a number of factors and isn't something that can be answered easily. Some things to consider: Cost ($60 difference) and need (would you use the Munificent or 3-4 hardcells versus the Pelta). Which faction are you actively playing? Do you have a desire to collect at least one of everything?
I would ask yourself what your reasoning is for picking up the 2nd Munificent vs the GAR Pelta. That may be the best way to look at it.
- Ken