Notice how SEAL Commander Anderson still addresses General Hummel with respect (“Sir”) despite Hummel being the target of their mission. Greatest action scene written ever!
Well and if you listen carefully, he says "Sir, WE know why you're out here. Heck, I agree with you, but I also swore to defend the country against ALL enemies foreign and domestic" and later "yes. Some of our brothers were pissed on by the Pentagon, BUT THAT DOESNT GIVE YOU THE RIGHT MUTINY" I like how he still tries to appeal to his brothers and get them out of the situation, despite knowing he likely won't be able to convince him, but secretly in a sense knowing BG Hummel is very well justified in his cause.
But in a gun fight (not a sword fight), having the elevated position is quite advantageous. People up top can see everyone on the bottom while having lots of covers, and people on the bottom cannot use any cover. Esp in this particular room.
Sean Connery gets alot of credit for this movie, and deservingly so. But Ed Harris really knocked his character out of the park. Brilliant performance. He really makes you believe in his cause as the character, despite being somewhat of a Villan he makes you sympathize his intentions and why he's doing what he is doing. Great movie.
@bramweinreder2346 agreed. Who could even argue against that honestly? I will say that Sean Connery was probably equally as strong of a character because it was also about his escape and why he was incarcerated in the first place... this film was brilliant.
Ed Harris' character, General Hummel, is an antivillain, not a true villain. His goals and intentions were noble (getting the US Congress to pay money to the widows of the men who died at the 1991 Gulf War under Hummel's command) but his means to getting said goals (terrorism/extortion) are questionable. Later we see he was actually never going to carry out his threat and was willing to let himself be punished, court martialed and discharged dishonorably from service. Too bad his men Frye and Darrow were not about to take that path.
@@ryans413 Nothing wrong with that, every time I've watched Alien 4 I can't belive that they killed off Wincott right away and kept a bunch of nobodies along for the rest of the movie.
Hummel sees he's younger self in Anderson. Both strong in principal. Both stubborn. Good guys vs good guys. This is not way life is suppose to be. The intensity of the dialog between them is hair raising. Best peace of action cinema I've ever seen.
The underutilized Michael Biehn once again giving a great, brief performance. Geez, between The Terminator, Tombstone, Aliens and The Rock you wonder why he wasn't a freaking complete star in Hollywood...
Then that seal leader should have been doing somethin about chipman and Clinton? I know it was just a movie, but was the general half as bad as the alphabets and gov?
@@lishalou761 The SEAL leader has his orders. He outright states that he personally agrees with Hummel. But like he says, that doesn't give him the right to mutiny. Hummel was right, but he was also wrong. Even if you've been fucked over, even if you've been betrayed, even if you've pushed to the brink, the one thing you absolutely do NOT do is take innocent people hostage and threaten to use their blood to make your point.
@@dars5229 you are correct anout the innocent people part. However, if you disagree them staning against a corrupt gov, then you should disagree with the foundation of the USA.
@@lishalou761 Nonsense. America's founding fathers risked their own necks. Every man who picked up a musket knew the risks. They threw tea in the harbour, not hostages. It's not a simple matter of having a good cause. Everybody believes their cause is just. What distinguishes a terrorist from a freedom fighter is their methods, not their goals.
Kids today won’t understand how BIG this movie was. The advertising was EVERYWHERE. The massive buildup to release. It was like 80s/90s action movies had built up to this magnum opus of an action movie. Huge actors. Huge budget. Huge special effects. Huge musical score. Huge fun at the theatre.
I remembered my older brother took me to see this in theaters when it was released. Packed house and Loud ass surround sounds and Amazing Movie from start to finish!
this scene is absolute perfection, you got Ed Harris, Michael Biehn and even Tony Todd, you got great emotional dialogue between two stubborn men, you got Hans Zimmer in the soundtrack, and the visual effects are practical, this scene is mind blowing and can easily make men cry.
Military History Guy Danskyl7 Yeah and he’s not directly the true main villain of the movie Captain Frye is. General Hummel may be doing something wrong but it’s for the right reasons. Frye is a sadistic psychopath who only cares about money
@@pietrosmusi2625 imagine if they had sent Agent Gibbs and Agent Dinozzo from NCIS in their to take down General Hummel I think Hummel would've pissed in his pants.
@@chrono106someone young who wasn’t thinking about his own safety. He was thinking about his brothers who were getting slaughtered and the only thing going through his mind was to try and help
As a kid I never truly understood this movie. I was too caught up in the action to clearly understand the gravity of the situation presented. Marines, wanting reparations for all that they suffered, lead by a charismatic general who just wants what's fair, not bloodshed. The pain I felt watching this as an adult, its real. Regardless of if it's a movie. The notion of SEAL's being put in the position of ever having to fire on Marines and vice-versa, is hurting. Especially knowing Hummel didn't want this. He didn't do any of this because he wanted killing. It's a great premise.
The general was so caught up in what he felt was his lost marines being slighted and the families left behind that he didn’t stop to think about the legacy that he would be affecting with his actions. He was grieving his dead wife and only then after she died did he choose to take action. But I can assure you that every marine that he lost would not approve or support his actions. He recruited marines that only cared about money, they had no loyalty to the oaths they swore to uphold, they became thugs with guns, mercenaries with no honor or morality. General had good intentions but carried them out in the worst possible way which only resulted in more dead soldiers and sailors, he became the very problem he wanted to rectify, and ultimately threatened to kill thousands of civilians. He became the very thing he would send his men out to kill.
@@geeebuttersnap2433 I think they made it a point in the move to indicate that he, himself didn't recruit the money-driven Marines. There's a scene where he's like "I haven't worked with you before, but your reputation precedes you" when speaking with them. That's why the gunfight where he died was a weird standoff. The money-driven Marines wanted to continue the ransom demands, but the General knew actually gong through with it was wrong and over with. Yes, it was the wrong way to go about things, but I think the movie tries to impress upon the audience that the General had tried other things, and nothing was working, so he took drastic measures. The whole thing at his wife's gravestone seems like he knew he wasn't coming back, and to ask for her forgiveness for what he was about to do. He knew it wasn't right, but he thought it was the only way they'd listen.
It's a film that could have been only made in the 90s, in the false sense of security between the Cold War and the War on Terror. Hollywood ran out of bad guys, so they turned to domestic terrorism. But they did have the wonderful audacity to ask "What if the 'bad' guy has a point?" Because fucking over veterans is as old as America itself. Did you know some of the Revolutionary War soldiers weren't paid for their service and were arrested when they protested? Look up the Pennsylvania Mutiny.
What a phenomenal cast in this Film. Sean Connery, Ed Harris, Michael Biehn and Nick cage. This movie is so classic! 25 years later still one of my favorites
True, Nic Cage actually seems like a real person would be after seeing that, no an imaginary action movie badass. Then Mason is so chill, takes the Seals weapons and moves on. It emphasizes what a badass he is. Great scene
@@militaryhistoryguy827 I think Agent Gibbs and his crew from NCIS could've taken down General Hummel with ease seeing that Gibbs was a skilled sniper in the US Marine Corps.
“You men following the general, you are UNDER OATH as United States Marines have you forgotten that. Some of us have had Shipmates pissed on by the pentagon, but that doesn’t give you the right to mutiny” when I heard that line I felt it.
Damn. The scene, the situation ,the tense, the dialog, the background music, the loyalty, the respectful commander, the feeling of the general..damn . This is masterpiece
I am 32 old and have been watching this movie since I was a kid. And, goddamn, I still get the same chills whenever I watch this scene... and this music!
I Remember watching this with my old man when i was about 8, We'd rented it on VHS from the local video store and it was the first piece of film that had ever illicited an emotional response from me, I Still love this film too this day!
The look Baxter gives Hummel during Anderson's speech about their comrades being pissed on by the Pentagon. Great little bit and sowing the seeds of which side he'll fall on later in the movie.
And even the scene where Baxter shouts at Cpt. Darrow to step outside because he didn't want to argue with general in front of them. This movie has some great details.
Same here, got it on a vhs recording. Funny as fuck how most of us saw this movie, and most of balled at the same scenes. Have a good one man, good to see so many enjoying the same things I have.
@@dtxa7x Who wouldn't? Biehn absolutely nailed it as the heroic SEAL commander anyone would want to bump shoulders with in the thick of battle. Yet, here he is, him and his men, trapped in an unwinnable situation with an obvious consequence that all of them were willing to pay for the sake of duty. It was heartbreaking because it was so compelling from the perspective of men willing to commit the ultimate sacrifice for duty.
The reason the high ground is an advantage in military tactic is that it is harder to take cover vs an elevated enemy who can see diagonally , partially into the field of cover. Meanwhile the elevated enemy can have better cover cause the low ground could barely see him from the downward diagonal angle. In star wars on the other hand it doesn't make much sense.
Every actor in this movie really is on their A-game here, this is one of Sean Connery's best as well, and Michael Biehn is great for the short time he's on screen. Gregory Sporleder also really sells the sociopathic and angry Frye, perfect demeanor and presence on screen for the character.
IMO, On contrary, this is the moment General Hummel realize that he had walked himself into disaster . His Marine team just killed their brother-in-arm against his order and the government didn't entertained his demand instead willingly sending people to die to kill him.
Not really, it showed that he didn't have control of his men. All illustrated later when they mutinied against him when they found out they wouldn't be getting paid.
His mistake was to include men he had not served with previously (Frye and Darrow). The marines who had served under his command seemed to respect him.
Hummel also made the mistake of not guaranteeing compensation to the men in his command. He was essentially asking his men to abandon their families, citizenship, and military careers for his cause. He failed to account for those who joined for purely selfish reasons, like Frye and Darrow.
He had a hard time working with Bay he felt nervous and Bay just told him to relax. Once he relaxed we got his epic scene this epic performance it’s short but good.
@@perlenbacher6788 lol think you'll find that was the British SAS/SBS you yanks need to stop trying to make other country's achievements your own there was a reason your own general chose to use UK special forces over the US ones in the gulf War
What makes you well up in a movie? Girls: When Ryan Gosling kisses his lost love in the rain. Guys: A squad of men being mown down by automatic fire in a cold decrepit shower room in Alcatraz as they try to valiantly fight their way out of a hopeless position.
Goodspeed crying when the youngest SEAL falls through the hatch is in stark contrast to the courage he starts to develop from this point on. He is definitely the only character that really changes in this great movie.
He’s never been in combat. It’s not a lack of courage- it’s an unfamiliarity. Yes, his character develops throughout the movie. But he would have done what he did in the end either way.
Michael Bay gets a lot of bad rep for his quick cut editing style, but it fits this scene PERFECTLY. I can feel the hair raising tension every time I rewatch this. Genius.
Still one of the most memorable scenes of a movie! Just sad all round! Brothers against brothers ... or so we thought. But WOW - Hummell yelling for a cease fire ... shooting against their own brothers in arms ... so haunting
And this was the point where Hummel lost control of his men. He’s yelling for a cease fire but cannot bring the Marines to heel. Looking back is where I see the stand-off that kills Hummel in the offing.
@@theodorehawkwood6594 he lost control long before that when he convinced his men that this mission would be completed by any and all means. He had no intention of taking any lives (evident from the opening scene) but his troops never considered non-lethal options. This is just where Hummel REALIZED that he had lost control.
He mag dumped his rifle and switched to the pistol (both hands gripping the pistol); the rifle is just slung over the top of his left arm so the rifle happens to be supported enough to point down range.
I can't reiterate enough how much Ed Harris nailed this role. Hummel never wanted anyone to die, least of all, more servicemen. His reaction to the carnage says it all, looking at the scene and the silent "fuck" that escapes from him, knowing that he'd have to live with this on top of everything else he's experienced.
It's missing the best part: General Hummel "You made a terrible mistake, and more of our brothers have died in vain. Damn you for forcing me into this position." Such a great movie.
Its 2024, im 33 years old. Im a cinema/film guy above average. I have seen thousands of movies. I keep returning to this scene. I was a little too young when it came out. But the equivalent for me is docking scene from Interstellar. Fugging epic.
Looking back on this scene, it's easier to understand why it happened. The Seal's weren't facing Marines, but mercenaries. Some of the guys up top just looked at the situation and figured this was simply an obstacle. Personally I believe most of the killings came from the guys who would later turn on Hummel.
@@HellFighterz Actually, they were breaking the second half of their oaths which was to follow the lawful orders of the President of the United States and the Officers appointed over them when they signed on to Hummel's rogue mission.
I remember years ago here in Burbank back in 1998 I saw Michael Biehn I was only 14 years old, and I asked him why didn’t he drop his weapon in the movie the rock? Lol, he laughed and said it was in the script and that he would have probably laid his arms down in that position. It was at a restaurant called Dalts, it’s not there anymore,
What a heartbreaking and beautiful scene. Ed Harris and Michael Biehn brought their A game for this scene. Both men show due respect and both state right off how they don’t want to be in the position they’re in but more important that that is the clash of ideology parallel to the same pain of lost comrades. Hummel wanting Justice for his men, and crossing the line to get it while Anderson recognizes that same feeling and pain and rejects that notion as a violation of the oaths they took implying that this is an act that wouldn’t honor the men lost and ignored by the pentagon. In another time and place these men would no doubt be sharing a drink together and yet they end up in this horrible event. The peak of the scene being how desperate both men are to hold fast yet hoping against hope that the other will see reason. The cracking in Hummers voice as he screams “WHATH THE HELL IS WRONG WOTH YOU MAN?!” Nearly broke me. He doesn’t want to do this but if he doesn’t their mission is FUBAR. Anderson from using as he roars back “I will not give that order!” Knowing the cost but refusing to compromise his mission or his oaths as he is all that stand between Hummers mistakes and 1,000,000 innocent people caught in the cross hairs. The soundtrack highlighting the somber tone with the slightest hint of defiance to reflect the inner turmoil and despair. This scene has more heart and more to say on the subject of soldiers, their oaths, their morals and what a man is willing to die for than most modern action films have to say about anything. The irony that this was directed by Michael Bay of all people still blows my mind. What I’d give for this Michael Bay to come back to action movies.
The slights tonal shift of Hummel's facial expression when Anderson says "...or domestic" is great storytelling! It shows how concerned he is about... - that he is up against great soldiers and patriots - he has to play the bad guy although he is bluffing - to his mind he is doing a service and if anything, he was betrayed by his homeland - people see him as an enemy of the state he has sworn to protect Hummel is actually a pretty damn tragic character. It is crazy how the "antagonist" in The Rock is actually a good guy and the real villains are his soldiers (some of them, actually), but the movie is very exciting through and through.
One time I was walking home from the bar completely drunk, and I was reenacting some of the lines from this scene, and little did I know there was a squad of three cops just chilling on the side of the road as I was screaming, "you're under oath as United States marines, have you forgotten that" lol
What people don't know was that, contrary to the report of this incident, Commander Anderson survived his wound from this ordeal, and made a full recovery, and went on living in hiding because of shame of his team failure, and changed his name to his last name to Reese. He later joined a rebellion against the machines lead by a shadow leader who went by the alias John Conner. At point in their battle against the machines, John Conner sent him on a mission where he had to take all his cloths off and enter a machine that warped him in the year 1984 to protect John's mother who went by the alias Sarah Conner from a machine modeled T-800 that was also sent back to the same year to kill Sarah Conner. Unfortunately, the Reese died protecting Sarah, but before making love to Sarah not knowing that the fruit of their love will bear the leader of the Rebellion John Conner.
![The Rock - Opening scene [HD]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/T4O5LccxCDo/mqdefault.jpg)
![The Rock - Opening scene [HD]](/img/tr.png)
![Neo vs Merovingian | The Matrix Reloaded [IMAX]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/uXGE0vuuaDo/mqdefault.jpg)
![Digital Circus Episode 4 [TRAILER]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/abZtsmMUbJo/mqdefault.jpg)
Notice how SEAL Commander Anderson still addresses General Hummel with respect (“Sir”) despite Hummel being the target of their mission. Greatest action scene written ever!
That’s cause they’re Brothers. Not literal but in service to our country. Everyone who takes the oath join a brotherhood.
And Seals n Marines are usually from the same ship
Even in war with a foreign enemy, there's an expectation to address rank.
Just like in band of brothers theres a quote "we salute the rank not the man". It applies in all military foreign or domestic.
Well and if you listen carefully, he says "Sir, WE know why you're out here. Heck, I agree with you, but I also swore to defend the country against ALL enemies foreign and domestic" and later "yes. Some of our brothers were pissed on by the Pentagon, BUT THAT DOESNT GIVE YOU THE RIGHT MUTINY"
I like how he still tries to appeal to his brothers and get them out of the situation, despite knowing he likely won't be able to convince him, but secretly in a sense knowing BG Hummel is very well justified in his cause.
General Hummel's 'Your unit is covered from an elevated position' is just a longer and fancier way of saying 'I have the high ground'
That's how you talk when your a man of honor and dedicated your life to country and honor.
Daffy Duck that was literally just a Star Wars reference...
@@daffyduck9588 Dude why?
An even shorter and less fancy way to say it is "You're fucked".
But in a gun fight (not a sword fight), having the elevated position is quite advantageous. People up top can see everyone on the bottom while having lots of covers, and people on the bottom cannot use any cover. Esp in this particular room.
Sean Connery gets alot of credit for this movie, and deservingly so. But Ed Harris really knocked his character out of the park. Brilliant performance. He really makes you believe in his cause as the character, despite being somewhat of a Villan he makes you sympathize his intentions and why he's doing what he is doing. Great movie.
That guy sold the movie. Easily the strongest character.
@bramweinreder2346 agreed. Who could even argue against that honestly? I will say that Sean Connery was probably equally as strong of a character because it was also about his escape and why he was incarcerated in the first place... this film was brilliant.
Totally agree
Absolutely
Ed Harris' character, General Hummel, is an antivillain, not a true villain. His goals and intentions were noble (getting the US Congress to pay money to the widows of the men who died at the 1991 Gulf War under Hummel's command) but his means to getting said goals (terrorism/extortion) are questionable. Later we see he was actually never going to carry out his threat and was willing to let himself be punished, court martialed and discharged dishonorably from service. Too bad his men Frye and Darrow were not about to take that path.
Even though Michael Biehn only gets about 10 minutes of screen time in this movie, he just fucking nails it.
"under there is a maze of sh't"
I wish he would have survived and helped Mason and Goodspeed for a bit before dying but that’s just me because I love that actor.
@@ryans413 Nothing wrong with that, every time I've watched Alien 4 I can't belive that they killed off Wincott right away and kept a bunch of nobodies along for the rest of the movie.
the same actor as an antagonist in Tombstone
@@vladifique he was the antagonist there. Kurt Russel and Val Kilmer were the protagonists.
Hummel sees he's younger self in Anderson. Both strong in principal. Both stubborn. Good guys vs good guys. This is not way life is suppose to be. The intensity of the dialog between them is hair raising. Best peace of action cinema I've ever seen.
Vintage Music they should've sent in Agent Gibbs and his team from NCIS to take down General Hummel.
Michael Beihn at McDonald’s: I cannot give that order.!🤣🤣🤣
@@kodesh1674 imagine what agent Gibbs would've said if he was in this
Anderson is a bad guy
+1. Just... Awesome!
The underutilized Michael Biehn once again giving a great, brief performance. Geez, between The Terminator, Tombstone, Aliens and The Rock you wonder why he wasn't a freaking complete star in Hollywood...
Alcoholism.
@@themonrovian8441 is that for real?
Troy Carter sadly it’s true
I met him at NY Comic Con. Gentleman.
@@troycarter291 yes - he was a huge success but had issues with drink and womanising. Excellent in Terminator and Aliens and Tombstone.
"I swore to defend this country against all enemies, foreign sir.... and domestic"
The General was taken aback by this. Such an awesome statement.
Then that seal leader should have been doing somethin about chipman and Clinton? I know it was just a movie, but was the general half as bad as the alphabets and gov?
@strike4able the General was in the right? Or the founding fathers were in the wrong for taking up arms against their king.
@@lishalou761 The SEAL leader has his orders. He outright states that he personally agrees with Hummel. But like he says, that doesn't give him the right to mutiny. Hummel was right, but he was also wrong. Even if you've been fucked over, even if you've been betrayed, even if you've pushed to the brink, the one thing you absolutely do NOT do is take innocent people hostage and threaten to use their blood to make your point.
@@dars5229 you are correct anout the innocent people part. However, if you disagree them staning against a corrupt gov, then you should disagree with the foundation of the USA.
@@lishalou761 Nonsense. America's founding fathers risked their own necks. Every man who picked up a musket knew the risks. They threw tea in the harbour, not hostages. It's not a simple matter of having a good cause. Everybody believes their cause is just. What distinguishes a terrorist from a freedom fighter is their methods, not their goals.
Kids today won’t understand how BIG this movie was. The advertising was EVERYWHERE. The massive buildup to release. It was like 80s/90s action movies had built up to this magnum opus of an action movie. Huge actors. Huge budget. Huge special effects. Huge musical score. Huge fun at the theatre.
The level of acting in this film is incredible. You don't get that nowadays.
You very rarely get great movies like this anymore, and if you'd said "the rock" they'd be thinking of the wrestler
I remembered my older brother took me to see this in theaters when it was released. Packed house and Loud ass surround sounds and Amazing Movie from start to finish!
kids today don't know the greatness of sean conory
you're right - i feel privilege to watch it at the movies at that time - surrounded by the underrated magic of the nineties...
"I cannot not give that order!!" "I will not repeat that order!!" Awesomeness!
WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU, MAN!?!?!?!
Michael Biehn, what a legend👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Nah, the best part of that exchange was "What the hell is wrong with you, man!?"
@@1st2mindhave you seen The Abyss Biehns performance was top notch.
@@ryans413 yep also along side ed harris, brillisant actor.
this scene is absolute perfection, you got Ed Harris, Michael Biehn and even Tony Todd, you got great emotional dialogue between two stubborn men, you got Hans Zimmer in the soundtrack, and the visual effects are practical, this scene is mind blowing and can easily make men cry.
I think it's Harry Gregerson Williams as the composer
Don’t forget Zimmer did Crimson Tide !!! Great soundtrack
You can hear the pain in the mans voice when he says “what the hell is wrong with you man”
General Hummels even says "Cease Fire!", the man was trying to avoid killing his fellow countrymen.
It was both rage and pain. That’s why he’s a great villain. He’s actually a real person who feels bad about doing bad things
@@militaryhistoryguy827 interesting.. like Thanos?
He is right, the commander would have surrendered
Military History Guy Danskyl7 Yeah and he’s not directly the true main villain of the movie Captain Frye is. General Hummel may be doing something wrong but it’s for the right reasons. Frye is a sadistic psychopath who only cares about money
The only "Shower Scene" that guys love that has absolutely no sex in it whatsoever.
No sex, but that SEAL Team got FUCKED!
@@MikeFields83 interesting way of putting it, but very true.
They got all kinds of lead in their ass
Let’s waste these fuckers
@@MikeFields83 😂😂😂😂
This might be the perfect action scene. I'm moved to tears every single time I watch it. The dialogue, the score, the pain...it's all spot on.
Girls locker room: “I wonder what the boys locker room is like?”
Boys locker room:
Varsity vs JV football team😂😂 and the 2 guys who sat tight were the managers
LMFAO
1:56
Technically a communal shower room
“I’m ordering you to stop whipping your team mates and put the towel down!”
The younger seal climbing the ladder and seeing all his teammates getting slaughtered always gets me
Best headshot ever seen
@@pietrosmusi2625 imagine if they had sent Agent Gibbs and Agent Dinozzo from NCIS in their to take down General Hummel I think Hummel would've pissed in his pants.
Definitely adds to the scene, but who would pop their head out of a hole that has gunfire raining down on it
@@chrono106That was idiotic. Pure and simple.
@@chrono106someone young who wasn’t thinking about his own safety. He was thinking about his brothers who were getting slaughtered and the only thing going through his mind was to try and help
As a kid I never truly understood this movie. I was too caught up in the action to clearly understand the gravity of the situation presented. Marines, wanting reparations for all that they suffered, lead by a charismatic general who just wants what's fair, not bloodshed. The pain I felt watching this as an adult, its real. Regardless of if it's a movie. The notion of SEAL's being put in the position of ever having to fire on Marines and vice-versa, is hurting. Especially knowing Hummel didn't want this. He didn't do any of this because he wanted killing. It's a great premise.
The general was so caught up in what he felt was his lost marines being slighted and the families left behind that he didn’t stop to think about the legacy that he would be affecting with his actions. He was grieving his dead wife and only then after she died did he choose to take action. But I can assure you that every marine that he lost would not approve or support his actions. He recruited marines that only cared about money, they had no loyalty to the oaths they swore to uphold, they became thugs with guns, mercenaries with no honor or morality. General had good intentions but carried them out in the worst possible way which only resulted in more dead soldiers and sailors, he became the very problem he wanted to rectify, and ultimately threatened to kill thousands of civilians. He became the very thing he would send his men out to kill.
@@geeebuttersnap2433 I think they made it a point in the move to indicate that he, himself didn't recruit the money-driven Marines. There's a scene where he's like "I haven't worked with you before, but your reputation precedes you" when speaking with them. That's why the gunfight where he died was a weird standoff. The money-driven Marines wanted to continue the ransom demands, but the General knew actually gong through with it was wrong and over with. Yes, it was the wrong way to go about things, but I think the movie tries to impress upon the audience that the General had tried other things, and nothing was working, so he took drastic measures. The whole thing at his wife's gravestone seems like he knew he wasn't coming back, and to ask for her forgiveness for what he was about to do. He knew it wasn't right, but he thought it was the only way they'd listen.
It's a film that could have been only made in the 90s, in the false sense of security between the Cold War and the War on Terror. Hollywood ran out of bad guys, so they turned to domestic terrorism. But they did have the wonderful audacity to ask "What if the 'bad' guy has a point?" Because fucking over veterans is as old as America itself. Did you know some of the Revolutionary War soldiers weren't paid for their service and were arrested when they protested? Look up the Pennsylvania Mutiny.
Well Said
Nah, the movie doesn't have sense at all. Don't expect intellectualism here. Hummell got his since he started with the mutiny.
What a phenomenal cast in this Film. Sean Connery, Ed Harris, Michael Biehn and Nick cage. This movie is so classic! 25 years later still one of my favorites
And William Forsythe
And the dude that got his Humvee stolen!
John C Mcginley
And Micheal Bay would follow this movie up with a even bigger all star cast
You forgot about Candyman himself Tony Todd.
Intense scene made more awesome by Michael Behin and Ed Harris' great performances.
Truth. I also love Cage’s “oh god!” At the end. The audience feels the exact same way.
True, Nic Cage actually seems like a real person would be after seeing that, no an imaginary action movie badass. Then Mason is so chill, takes the Seals weapons and moves on. It emphasizes what a badass he is. Great scene
@@militaryhistoryguy827 I think Agent Gibbs and his crew from NCIS could've taken down General Hummel with ease seeing that Gibbs was a skilled sniper in the US Marine Corps.
@@anthonyendres7957 I always thought he said "D'oh! Gone!"
“You men following the general, you are UNDER OATH as United States Marines have you forgotten that. Some of us have had Shipmates pissed on by the pentagon, but that doesn’t give you the right to mutiny” when I heard that line I felt it.
"You call it what you want. Your down there. Were up here. YOU WALK INTO THE WRONG GODDAM ROOM COMMANDER"
@@fant4sticacting579 STAND FAST
@@Katracho-ot3uk goddammit commander, one last time to tell your men to safety they're weapons and drop them on the deck
@@fant4sticacting579 I CANNOT GIVE THAT ORDER
@@Katracho-ot3uk I AM NOT GONNA REPEAT THAT ORDER
The opening scene of the movie and the shower room scene give me goosebumps all the time.
Add "I got a green smoke!!!"
The opening scene in particular was very powerful especially with the background radio chatter playback of Hummel's men in danger.
"I will not give that order!"
Always gets me pumped.
Same here..wish I'm in his heroic action
That exchange is so intense... love it
What the hell is wrong with you man
What the hell is wrong with you man
Damn. The scene, the situation ,the tense, the dialog, the background music, the loyalty, the respectful commander, the feeling of the general..damn . This is masterpiece
Powerful scene!!!Ed Harris as always fantastic.
Yes, he is.
Indeed, and Michael Behin (spelling?) is also amazing.
Ya.......and need a hug after this
Who’s scene the outakes?!
Why’s Micheal Bien always have to die.
I am 32 old and have been watching this movie since I was a kid. And, goddamn, I still get the same chills whenever I watch this scene... and this music!
I’m also 32 and I might have only been 5 when this movie was released but this is the one scene I remember the most.
I can relate to your comment.
Music is extraordinary.
I Remember watching this with my old man when i was about 8, We'd rented it on VHS from the local video store and it was the first piece of film that had ever illicited an emotional response from me, I Still love this film too this day!
Oddly enough had the same experience, miss having to rewind a movie to the start just to re watch it 😂
Girls' Shower Room: OMG Did you hear about Justin and Emily? ThEy ArE sO cUtE!
Guys' Shower Room:
I WILL NOT GIVE THAT ORDER!!
WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU, MAN?!
Fast lustig!!!!!
I bet you $100.00 bucks that all the Navy Seals are Dead and only two guys are Alive unless your scared to take that bet and unless your a girl
U Bringing the Rifle when u take the shower?
Girls: You Guys don't cry or understand pain!!!
Guys: plays video*
The look Baxter gives Hummel during Anderson's speech about their comrades being pissed on by the Pentagon. Great little bit and sowing the seeds of which side he'll fall on later in the movie.
And even the scene where Baxter shouts at Cpt. Darrow to step outside because he didn't want to argue with general in front of them.
This movie has some great details.
Well hey they have been best friends since Vietnam
7 people dislike because they thought they were gonna see the rock naked
😂
Best comment all day 🤣😂
Why are you gay?
😂😂😉😅
@@mikeg8373 this comment is on good thing happened in 2020
The gays lose.
Ed Harris nailed his role. Hummell didn't want this, but once it happened, he realized he had turned into the monster he swore to eliminate.
Its still one of the best scenes in action movies history.
I saw this on VHS and this scene had me balling out in tears no cap
Same here ....
I'm 23. Everytime I see this scene my eyes well up... And I've seen this move about a dozen times
Same here, got it on a vhs recording. Funny as fuck how most of us saw this movie, and most of balled at the same scenes. Have a good one man, good to see so many enjoying the same things I have.
@@dtxa7x Who wouldn't? Biehn absolutely nailed it as the heroic SEAL commander anyone would want to bump shoulders with in the thick of battle. Yet, here he is, him and his men, trapped in an unwinnable situation with an obvious consequence that all of them were willing to pay for the sake of duty. It was heartbreaking because it was so compelling from the perspective of men willing to commit the ultimate sacrifice for duty.
@@billywashere6965 absolutely agree man, couldn’t say it better
It’s over Anakin, I have the high ground.
Jesper Ohlrich it ain't over til I'm dead you sombitch.
Commander Anderson: You underestimate our power!
The reason the high ground is an advantage in military tactic is that it is harder to take cover vs an elevated enemy who can see diagonally , partially into the field of cover. Meanwhile the elevated enemy can have better cover cause the low ground could barely see him from the downward diagonal angle.
In star wars on the other hand it doesn't make much sense.
Actually, it makes 1000000% sense when you realize that Obi-wan was prodding at Anakin’s ego so he would do something dumb.
Michael Biehn is in Star Wars now!!
He’s in the Mandolorian.
Saddest Scene i have ever seen
I know right? Hummel should have known ahead of time that the government would react.
No it's more like your brothers killing each other.
Those pentagon bastards screwed Hummel. He didn’t have a choice
@@callumbiasnow4825 can you imagine a bank loan and the banker says yo got into the wrong room
@@callumbiasnow4825 Oh, yes, he did.
RIP Sean Connery! Welcome to The Rock!
This scene still gives me goosebumps. Especially when Cmdr. Anderson uttered the word "foreign sir", paused and then continued with "domestic." Fml.
Love how Cage covers his mouth when he says “oh God!” Like he just remembered he could still be heard and killed. Underrated actor
Oscar, Best Actor
Military History Guy they should've called in Agent Gibbs and Dinozzo from NCIS to take down General Hummel.
Great detail, a lesser movie would have had the character just screaming or crying at full volume
Every actor in this movie really is on their A-game here, this is one of Sean Connery's best as well, and Michael Biehn is great for the short time he's on screen. Gregory Sporleder also really sells the sociopathic and angry Frye, perfect demeanor and presence on screen for the character.
he wasn't acting, he was afraid :D
it breaks my heart to see Hummel asking his men to cease fire while the hell just broke out, this demonstrates how good commander Hummer was.
IMO, On contrary, this is the moment General Hummel realize that he had walked himself into disaster . His Marine team just killed their brother-in-arm against his order and the government didn't entertained his demand instead willingly sending people to die to kill him.
Not really, it showed that he didn't have control of his men. All illustrated later when they mutinied against him when they found out they wouldn't be getting paid.
Its a movie dumbass...
His mistake was to include men he had not served with previously (Frye and Darrow). The marines who had served under his command seemed to respect him.
Hummel also made the mistake of not guaranteeing compensation to the men in his command. He was essentially asking his men to abandon their families, citizenship, and military careers for his cause. He failed to account for those who joined for purely selfish reasons, like Frye and Darrow.
This scene exists, all thanks to a falling brick.....
It meant to happen
Homage to Ben Hur
It was on purpose, because the evil marines wanted to escalate the situation (and trigger the shootout), just so they can kill them all.
A falling brick and Fryes words “Let’s waste these F***ers
Let's not forgot that the seals fired first though. That was the whole point of them knocking the bricks over. To get them to fire first.
Classic movie. Never get tired of it
Tell me about, this movie is just pure 👌🏻
Bro this is such a freaking classic movie. Absolutely worth the watch if you stumble on this comment in a decade and haven’t seen it.
My heart rate went from 72 to 200 real fast. Damn what a scene!
"You're down there, we're up here! You walked into the wrong god damn room truman!" oops wrong movie.
Those god damn fusion center satellites
Michael Beihn is great here.
I met him
Foreign sir. And Domestic.
Always is.
He had a hard time working with Bay he felt nervous and Bay just told him to relax. Once he relaxed we got his epic scene this epic performance it’s short but good.
1:10 this line always sends chills down my spine. The delivery is absolutely perfect!
Michael Biehn, legend👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
2:04 me at my job: “I will not give that order”.
As a MARINE, I always respected the SEALs. Honored to have stood by them in combat. Thanks for watching our six guys!
Seals literally invented the modern small unit tactics.
@@perlenbacher6788 lol think you'll find that was the British SAS/SBS you yanks need to stop trying to make other country's achievements your own there was a reason your own general chose to use UK special forces over the US ones in the gulf War
Thank you for uour service, Sir..
Thank you for your service
Hey Adam, where your empire? You’re our bitch now. Thank you
Michael Biehn was such an underaged action actor between the 80s-90s. His characters were just as pure badasses
3:44 the moment General Hummel realizes things have gone way too far than what he expected
What makes you well up in a movie?
Girls: When Ryan Gosling kisses his lost love in the rain.
Guys: A squad of men being mown down by automatic fire in a cold decrepit shower room in Alcatraz as they try to valiantly fight their way out of a hopeless position.
Truth
I love this comment. It's so true.
Yep
Cuz that place is on Warzone and modern warfare 2
@@olegpagano3293 not really that's a russain gulag this is alkatraz
Goodspeed crying when the youngest SEAL falls through the hatch is in stark contrast to the courage he starts to develop from this point on. He is definitely the only character that really changes in this great movie.
He’s never been in combat. It’s not a lack of courage- it’s an unfamiliarity. Yes, his character develops throughout the movie. But he would have done what he did in the end either way.
After 13 years serving I now realize the dichotomy of ideals during this scene. Well done.
Imagine realizing you are trapped on the lower ground with M16's pointed at your face, badass to not want to dive back into the hole they came out of.
"Because of your actions more of our brother's blood has been spilled.... Damn you for putting me in this position"
Remember when our Action Blockbusters actually had soul. Masterclass
Michael Biehn matched the great Ed Harris in intensity here, effortlessly. WHY THE FUCK does this man not get his dues?
Anyone who's ever served knows how intense and heartbreaking this scene actually is. Ps: Great acting, good camera shots, and Perfect score. Bravo.
One of my favorite scenes of all time placed in a micheal bay movie
Wait but if they're all already in the gulag do none of them respawn? :(
The y lost conection
'fraid not, Pal 😭
Don’t worry they were only playing gunfight and it’s 5-1, the seals felt bad for them and gave them a round
2009 brats: You don't understand our PAIN!!! Our favourite character died!!!
90's kids: plays video* You have no idea...
Maybe the phone battery died
Michael Bay gets a lot of bad rep for his quick cut editing style, but it fits this scene PERFECTLY. I can feel the hair raising tension every time I rewatch this. Genius.
Few people other than Michael Biehn can make this epic of a speech… I would follow that man anywhere if he was my commander.
might want to watch the rest of his films, you follow that man, you die!
Michael Biehn, absolutely amazing! 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
"You unit is covered from an elevated position."
I think of that line every time I play any videogame where someone's a floor above me.
Still one of the most memorable scenes of a movie! Just sad all round! Brothers against brothers ... or so we thought. But WOW - Hummell yelling for a cease fire ... shooting against their own brothers in arms ... so haunting
And this was the point where Hummel lost control of his men. He’s yelling for a cease fire but cannot bring the Marines to heel. Looking back is where I see the stand-off that kills Hummel in the offing.
@@theodorehawkwood6594 he lost control long before that when he convinced his men that this mission would be completed by any and all means. He had no intention of taking any lives (evident from the opening scene) but his troops never considered non-lethal options. This is just where Hummel REALIZED that he had lost control.
A civil war in a prison shower
Guy at 0:11 presses random buttons that don't do anything...
LMAO
"The boss is here. Quick! look busy!"
He lost the gulag 😂
That man is playing Galaga!
Lmaoo
We need more action movies like this one the 90s need to comeback I love the rock saw it as a kid still see it from time to time great movie :)
This is why I love this movie so much.
3:42 Man had his pistol and his rifle pointing down there at the same time. Interesting technique.
Just incase, gotta keep that sidearm at the ready. If it is anything cod stressed, “Switching to your pistol is faster than reloading” lol
He mag dumped his rifle and switched to the pistol (both hands gripping the pistol); the rifle is just slung over the top of his left arm so the rifle happens to be supported enough to point down range.
@@AvertBurden this was way before cod was ever released so that would not work here.
Holy sh! This comment needs more likes! All those years watching this film again and again, never saw it. Excellent!
He was out of ammo with his rifle and was using the pistol also very quickly one-handed?
RIP Sean Connery you will be missed
The fear from the Navy Seals (“we’re dead!” and “Oh my God…”) helped ratchet up the tension even more. They’re human beings at the end of the day.
This scene put a hole in my heart. My father is a veteran and is exactly like the commander said.
Hearing Hummel shout “Cease Fire” is just heartbreaking.
Exactly. You could tell he didn't want that massacre to happen.
You made a terrible mistake now more of our brothers have died in vein damn you for forcing me into this position best line ever
Hummel is one of the best villains in action movie because, by his motives, he's not really a villain.
in vain*
"When the enemy occupies high ground, do not confront him."
Sun Tzu
"Damn right fam"
- George Washington
Shoigu and Prigozhin, year 2023
It’s over Kyle Reese I have the High ground.
Also, RIP Sean Connery.
Michael Biehn is in Star Wars now!!
He’s in the Mandolorian.
i just realized how much of this reminds me of metal gear solid
I can't reiterate enough how much Ed Harris nailed this role. Hummel never wanted anyone to die, least of all, more servicemen. His reaction to the carnage says it all, looking at the scene and the silent "fuck" that escapes from him, knowing that he'd have to live with this on top of everything else he's experienced.
It's missing the best part: General Hummel "You made a terrible mistake, and more of our brothers have died in vain. Damn you for forcing me into this position."
Such a great movie.
All the actors in this scene are acting very well.
It still gives me goosebumps
Same here!
Michael Biehn is going to star in Season 2 of the Mandalorian, can't wait to see who he'll play as!
I hope they don't kill him
@@davidruelas827 he always gets killed off, but he's awesome up till that point, he and sean bean are so similar in that way
@@wheelmanstan yup but they are always good never turning in a bad performance
@@wheelmanstan Imagine a movie/show where him and Bean are the leads
He steals baby Yoda.
1:50 i love the view of David Morse. He is like: "He is got the point"
One of the best scenes ever in my opinion, and also, was that animal mother towards the end that was working with fbi/cia
The delivery of this scene from acting, lines, photography, to music, were just so good. They don't make movies like this anymore. :(
Yes they do
@@joshuawillis602quite rarely
@@joshuawillis602 give us an example
I know 😢
Its 2024, im 33 years old. Im a cinema/film guy above average. I have seen thousands of movies. I keep returning to this scene. I was a little too young when it came out. But the equivalent for me is docking scene from Interstellar. Fugging epic.
Looking back on this scene, it's easier to understand why it happened. The Seal's weren't facing Marines, but mercenaries. Some of the guys up top just looked at the situation and figured this was simply an obstacle. Personally I believe most of the killings came from the guys who would later turn on Hummel.
They were technically Marines but they turned their backs on the oaths they swore to defend the constitution
@@HellFighterz How did they defended constitition when they were deployed in China?
They had itchy fingers!!! They were looking for actions by any means
@@HellFighterz
Actually, they were breaking the second half of their oaths which was to follow the lawful orders
of the President of the United States and the Officers appointed over them when they signed on to
Hummel's rogue mission.
Exactly, Darrow and Frye wasn't on General's team, they were military not marines.
Michael Biehn is an underrated Legend
I still get choked up twice during this movie, this scene and in the opening credits when I hear “they’re not coming for us are they, sir?”
Same.. that line gets me Everytime.
This movie is now on Disney+ of all places. Awesome.
One of the most powerful scenes in the history of cinema.
Absolutely 💯
I remember years ago here in Burbank back in 1998 I saw Michael Biehn I was only 14 years old, and I asked him why didn’t he drop his weapon in the movie the rock? Lol, he laughed and said it was in the script and that he would have probably laid his arms down in that position. It was at a restaurant called Dalts, it’s not there anymore,
What a heartbreaking and beautiful scene. Ed Harris and Michael Biehn brought their A game for this scene. Both men show due respect and both state right off how they don’t want to be in the position they’re in but more important that that is the clash of ideology parallel to the same pain of lost comrades. Hummel wanting Justice for his men, and crossing the line to get it while Anderson recognizes that same feeling and pain and rejects that notion as a violation of the oaths they took implying that this is an act that wouldn’t honor the men lost and ignored by the pentagon. In another time and place these men would no doubt be sharing a drink together and yet they end up in this horrible event. The peak of the scene being how desperate both men are to hold fast yet hoping against hope that the other will see reason. The cracking in Hummers voice as he screams “WHATH THE HELL IS WRONG WOTH YOU MAN?!” Nearly broke me. He doesn’t want to do this but if he doesn’t their mission is FUBAR. Anderson from using as he roars back “I will not give that order!” Knowing the cost but refusing to compromise his mission or his oaths as he is all that stand between Hummers mistakes and 1,000,000 innocent people caught in the cross hairs. The soundtrack highlighting the somber tone with the slightest hint of defiance to reflect the inner turmoil and despair.
This scene has more heart and more to say on the subject of soldiers, their oaths, their morals and what a man is willing to die for than most modern action films have to say about anything. The irony that this was directed by Michael Bay of all people still blows my mind. What I’d give for this Michael Bay to come back to action movies.
“You walked into the wrong goddamn room, Commander!!”
Man, that line goes hard…gives me chills every time
This movie is almost 30 years old and still a great movie
The slights tonal shift of Hummel's facial expression when Anderson says "...or domestic" is great storytelling! It shows how concerned he is about...
- that he is up against great soldiers and patriots
- he has to play the bad guy although he is bluffing
- to his mind he is doing a service and if anything, he was betrayed by his homeland
- people see him as an enemy of the state he has sworn to protect
Hummel is actually a pretty damn tragic character. It is crazy how the "antagonist" in The Rock is actually a good guy and the real villains are his soldiers (some of them, actually), but the movie is very exciting through and through.
My SEAL mentor knew 2 of the guys in this movie that were actually on the same team as him.
sweet, I think michael biehn's played a SEAL 3 times
@@wheelmanstan he has, in fact in that movie Navy Seals which came out years before The Rock another guy from the terminator was in that movie
@@wheelmanstan Huh? I Know The Rock and Navy SEALS he played one, but he was a Marine in Aliens. What was the third time?
@@billywashere6965 The Abyss
Man, Solid Snake is a badass. It was nice to see him in the Terminator/MG1 get-up again.
Michael Biehn one of the best supporting actors ever
One time I was walking home from the bar completely drunk, and I was reenacting some of the lines from this scene, and little did I know there was a squad of three cops just chilling on the side of the road as I was screaming, "you're under oath as United States marines, have you forgotten that" lol
What people don't know was that, contrary to the report of this incident, Commander Anderson survived his wound from this ordeal, and made a full recovery, and went on living in hiding because of shame of his team failure, and changed his name to his last name to Reese. He later joined a rebellion against the machines lead by a shadow leader who went by the alias John Conner. At point in their battle against the machines, John Conner sent him on a mission where he had to take all his cloths off and enter a machine that warped him in the year 1984 to protect John's mother who went by the alias Sarah Conner from a machine modeled T-800 that was also sent back to the same year to kill Sarah Conner. Unfortunately, the Reese died protecting Sarah, but before making love to Sarah not knowing that the fruit of their love will bear the leader of the Rebellion John Conner.
General hummel had the high ground way before Obi-Wan Kenobi