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In the book it was very different though, she was basically locked into a 2v1 the whole time. Here she could've left especially since Meleys is one of the fastest dragon known to live.
@@andrewb1147 thought so but I didnt want to lock myself into something unless I am absolutely 100% sure. She should've just dipped out of that fight when Vhaegar was on the ground, fly across the bay and get help.
"Beloved daughter of Lady Jocelyn Baratheon and Prince Aemon Targaryen, faithful wife to Lord Corlys Velaryon, mother and grandmother, the Queen Who Never Was lived fearlessly, and died amidst blood and fire. She was fifty-five years old." RIP Rhaenys and Meleys
@@matheuskeunecke1335 Meleys was referred to as “The Red Queen” her exact age and lineage is never established but she is the oldest and largest dragon after Vhagar so they probably are related in some way
Losing Rhaenys and Meleys was utterly devastating. They were a true team and had been to battle before. Neither back down from a fight. The way they looked at each other as they both realized they were going to die was a true warrior’s exit. I don’t know if the future deaths are going to be as noble. RIP Rhaenys and the Red Queen
Meleys was actually able to bring Vhagar down -- if you paid attention. Vhagar only wins on surprise attacks (sucker punches or rather - sucker munches) . Because when Meleys and Vhagar were head to head Vhagar wasnt able to stop Meleys -- it was only when Meleys and Rhaenys weren't looking, is when Vhagar and Aemond try to attack
Everyone says this as some "got em" for team black but it just isn't reality. Gravity brought Vhagar to the ground. Meleys is much more agile and so was able to pull up but Meleys caused Vhagar no significant damage. Also intelligence is an important part of battle and Vhagar has shown herself to be the smartest dragon with the way she attacks. There are no rules in war and it is irrelevant whether you think it's a "sucker punch."
Meleys never stood a chance of beating Vhagar in a 1v1. So many people aren't understanding what happened in this fight. Meleys didn't knock vhagar down, it's actually the exact opposite. Vhagar was the one who brought the fight down to the ground As vhagar and meleys flew towards each other, Vhagar grabbed Meleys by the leg and broke it, then began dragging meleys down to the ground. Vhagar knew meleys wouldn't be able to take flight again with a broken leg, which would've made her a sitting duck. As they got closer to the ground Vhagar had to release meleys leg so she could start slowing her own descent rate, thus cushioning her landing. Meleys almost touched the ground, but she had just enough time/altitude to flap her wings to create lift and save herself from impact with the ground.
@@johnnyskinwalker4095 Seriously though, the bullshit of a scene in episode 9 that we got, was supposed to be THE SCENE of SUNFYRE THE GOLDEN, and it still irritates me, that was Aegon's moment riding him around the city and whst we got was Rhaenys genociding a bunch of smallfolk when she could of literally gotten away through one of the other entrances of the Dragonpit.
Rhaenys returned because regardless of the ambush, the order from her queen and the original intention was to secure rooks rest and stop criston cole's advance. she could've easily fled on several occasions but that would mean effectively giving up the crownlands and maybe the war at this point, so se took her chances and decided to fight. she already beat aegon and she saw how ruthless aemond was, so in a sense dhe was hoping she could end the whole war for rhaenyra here once and for all,. In a sense she knew the danger she was in so you could say she was effectively commiting suicide, but she also knew what fleeing would mean for rhaenyras war effort, so she stayed and fought... say what you wil about rhaenys but if she was the queen she seemed the kind to take on the battle herself rather than send people to do the fighting for her, something we see in rhaenyra too, which is why she stands by her
Rhaenys? The one that killed some hundreds commoners for nothing, could have ended the war and avoided thousands of deaths but again did nothing. And more, the one that advice Rhaenyra to ridiculously go chat with Alicent after everything that happened. Exposing Rhaenyra at such risk with no control of the situation at all, delivering herself to the enemy. Rhaenys is lost and indecisive, she cant decide if she wants to go to war or not, and commit to it. There was no need for her to sacrifice herself in this battle, she should have flown away to Dragonstone when Vhagar was down, or even better, after Vhagar burned Sunfire. Rhaenys should follow Daemon logical idea to team up
@@howfireand aemond literally did the same thing to his own people and he does it again in the future he doesn’t care about anyone but himself they are dragon riders not to mention rhaenys was cornered and had no choice but to take her dragon back and that gave rhaenyera a chance at all to take sunfyre down.
You guys were so excited to see a fight you didn't see the death flags for her... I literally cried as soon as she volunteered. I felt it in my soul. 😢
“Princess Rhaenys made no attempt to flee. With a glad cry and a crack of her whip, she turned Meleys toward the foe.” - Fire & Blood. Rhaenys Targaryen and her dragon Meleys not backing down and bravely facing Vhagar. Princess Rhaenys could have escaped Ifs he wanted to. Meleys is faster than Vhagar and Caraxes. Rhaenys chose to stay because she saw and she knew she had the chance to injure Vhagar and somewhat incapacitate her and Aemond to fight in the future even at the expense of her and Meleys life.
This show is set for 4 season guys, not 3. There’s still more battles to come and more people to die. Also, more dragons to be claimed. We are in for a treat!!
@@mizzike13no she isn't baelrion is still bigger then vhagar is currently remember it's said he could cover whole towns in his shadow when he flew by .
@@mizzike13 she is almost the same size as when the conquest was started, and balerion lived for what like 100 years after the conquest. so she is no where near as large as he was when he died.
@@thatoneblackdude3333 towns in Westeros are small. Plus, depending on the distance and angle of the sun, dragon and town, it wont require much more than Vhagar to cover a whole westerosi town with their shadow.
Daemon had the correct strategy from the beginning. He had ordered Rhaenys to ride with him so both could attack Vhagar simultaneously because she was so big & killing Aemon at the same time. Rhaenys answer was no, he couldn't order her because he wasn't king. Big mistake.
@@csinne That doesn’t change the fact that Aegon was the actual usurper. The truth is Viserys named Rhaenyra his heir and he kept his word. As stubborn and irrational his decision could be perceived then. So, yes, Aegon was an usurper.
@@svl_93 he is tho...Westeros history remembers him as the actual King, GRRM made Rhaenyra be known as the Usurper. Plus Viserys cant choose his heir as Westeros is a feudal monarchy where the tradition follows the firstborn son to be king, just like in real world history. That same law made him king over Rhaenys
@@csinne congratulations, you now understood that history about women is often written by misogynistic men 👍🏼 the thing this show and the books were trying to show
@@csinne If it was sooooo obvious that Viserys should’ve been named king over Rhaenys, Jaehaerys the wisest king in the history of Westeros wouldn’t have convened a Great Council to settle the succession of the crown. Don’t you think?
Aegon son was killed and his mother says “do nothing” I can’t help but feel like if I was in his position I’d be very eager too. And cristin Cole is brave. He’s an egocentric assmouth, but he is a brave man.
She has been a terrible mother and is contiuing to be. lol Aegon would not be in this position in the first place he had been properly trained to rule by Alicent. Also another compliment about Cole, he's been pretty badass since Episode 1.
@@johnnyskinwalker4095 yeah and I get she’s grieving too but she clearly has bias amongst her children and Aegon is her least fav 😭 also yes man and his impromptu speech was just wow. Simple but effective. I actually cheered. He’s quick on his feet and brutal with a sword. I don’t really like Cole, but I understand him. And if I were in this universe I’d think twice before crossing swords with him.
@DeanLance-v4b well any modern man would be, specially you, almost none of us are competent with swords to that extent. Tbh I’d side with them. No need to fight the winning side haha. Not what Tywin would do.
@DeanLance-v4b that’s actually very true but if I were in universe I wouldn’t be privy to that. And I’d die young likely. Under the banner of the one true king!
Personally I find Aegon to be one of the most complex/interesting characters on HOTD and I've noticed a lot of people barely recognize it because they hate him so much. Which I find interesting, since it seems they hate him for either being Rhaenyra's enemy or because he's useless. I don't think many people hate him because he raped Dyana, otherwise they'd hate Daemon for killing Rhea. The difference is that Daemon is competent in battle and is saracastic, but Aegon's incompetence is a story in itself
This may be dumb but if you think about aegon was drunk when he crashed n like a lot of dui drivers they usual survive crashes due to them being intoxicated
37:02 and what is Daemon supposed to do there? Dreams are happening with or without those drinks, he is in Harrenal for a reason. Is he supposed to leave it for the Greens and not control the Riverlands? They need an army, and that is why he is there. Team Green already has an army, and Daemon needs one for Team Black. What is this thought process, what on earth is he supposed to do there? And Igli, he is the king consort. That is not him taking power, that is exactly who he is. What he said to Oscar Tully is true. A liege lord can't act weak and allow his vassal houses like Blackwoods and Brackens to do what they want. That is why he brought in The Blackwoods to assemble an army by bringing people to Team Black. Is that not what was supposed to be done? You do realize that Team Black has no army, right? Rhaenyra is currently doing nothing to get an army, that is why he has to. He is not a detriment, he is the most powerful weapon she has. The fear of him is the reason she married him.
@@thaispereira7311 yes it is hilarious how people seem to completely miss the fact why Daemon is there. He is there to take an army to rival the greens. they even said so in the episode. It is insane to me how people miss that easy detail.
Yikes both these factions took a massive loss a battle won with the crippling of a king and a battle loss with the death of an experienced dragon rider and the only person who can keep the black council in line
So, Vhagar is known as the Queen of the Dragons. She's a female dragon of over 180 years old. I always see people saying "He is huge" and "There's no fighting against him" and assuming she's a male dragon, but she isn't and that's important for the story. Female dragons fiercely defend their riders, more than male dragons that usually just prefer attacking first with no care for the riders. Which makes Vhagar even more dangerous, because if Aemond is at risk, she won't spare anything to keep him safe.
“Beloved daughter of lady Jocelyn Baratheon and prince Aemon Targaryen, faithful wife to Corlys Velaryon, mother and grandmother, the queen who never was lived fearlessly, and died amidst blood and fire. she was fifty-five years old.”
The queen who should of been!!! Went out like a true warrior, and if u watch closely u see she did bring vhaegar down while they were spinning, she would of won if granny vhaegar wasn’t so good at sneak attacks 😂
"Princess Rhaenys made no attempt to flee. With a glad cry and a crack of her whip, she turned Meleys to her enemies." 💔 - Fire & Blood (Im fuckin cryin bros) RIP to the Red Queen, and The Queen Who SHOULD’VE Been.
I never realized how emotionally unprepared I was to see dragons kill each other. I feel like the dragons are a bit more domesticated in hotd versus got and it makes it significantly worse seeing their owners bond with them and then they get sent out to fight wars that aren't their own.
Rhaenys HAD to be the one to start it….she had pushed the blacks back so much they had to get some leveling ground. She was advising Rhaenyra I’m sure she felt some responsibility. But now BECAUSE of her death and the manner of it she has protected the Rook. This in turn will help to get their other allies and Daemon’s heads out of their asses.
It felt like Ned's death in GoT, Rhaenys was my favorite character 😢💔 And that look (with that little smile) she gave Meleys before she gave it the order to attack, looked just like the one my mom gave me a few days before she passed. She knew she was going to die. It's more of a 'I'm ready to go now' kinda look, 'ready to rest'. Even the dragon was tired. Great actress, great character! RIP, my queen 👑🐲🔥
Meleys was the fastest dragon and has that strategy of attacking underneath to claw at the lungs/belly. Meleys was the one that grabbed Vaghar to then claw and pushed to the ground. If Rhaenys would have taken Daemon seriously before, his plan to team up against Vaghar would have worked.
Notice how Rhaenys never commanded Dracarys. She is no kinslayer. She just wants to injure the dragons a bit to not be sent to war again. Whilst Aemond now has 2 1/2 kills. He deserves to only be remembered as a Kinslayer. A disgrace to House Targaryen.
Aemond really did nothing Vhagar did all the fighting on her own. Other than the one command, she's just an ancient warhorse! Poor Rhanys! Long live the Queen who never was!
Alyn? Corly’s bastard ? Catelyn stark could never, just another reason Rhaenys is one of the best characters in television history, make no mistake she might have lost to Vhagar but she could have wone Rhaenys is far more experienced and her bond to Meleys is far stronger, Aemond had to hide and catch here of gard if he hadn’t the fight would have been very different.
I can't forgive the show for erasing Elmo and Kermit Tully, the show was cowardly for not being willing to follow through on Muppet Tully power, but here's hoping the now introduced Oscar Tully will actually get to be the badass he is in the books. Now Aemond saying F U to Aegon at Rook's Rest was a nice bit of addition/nuance to the book events, that was brilliant.
@@nikdenver8512 Uh I think you mean Elmo. Also there is no Kermit in the show, they have clearly consolidated Kermit and Oscar into the show’s version of Oscar Tully to avoid using the most recognizable Muppet names. You’ll note that Oscar is said to be the heir, when in the books Kermit is the actual heir, so there is no Kermit Tully in the show.
It's wild seeing Daemon tripping balls at Harrenhal. He's probably having "Weirwood dreams" (as Jaime did in the books) as Harrenhal was built on a cut-down Weirwood forest, the roots of surviving Weirwoods appear to be working their way through the ruins, and as Alys said, he was sleeping on a bed made from a felled Weirwood. The drink Alys gave him probably adds to it, as he still seemed to be a bit out of it at the meeting at the table.
Maybe Rhaenys is looking for a good husband for her grand-daughter Rhaena, since Luke is dead and Baela is betrothed to Jace and Joffrey is a bit young for Rhaena, and that's why she's checking out Alyn of Hull. A son of Corlys, if legitimated, could become his heir and Rhaena could become Lady of Driftmark as per their original plan.
Gods, I wish we got to see more of sunfyre before this episode. That is the most gorgeous dragon!! I didn’t expect how hard it would hit seeing the dragons go at each other. It not even their war 😢😢😢
This is how you could say that Queen Rhaenys and Meraxes die, only the form changed. Very sad for the loss, very angry at Rhaenyra's inaction, now with Aegon incapacitated they will surely seat Aemon on the throne. 3 times Aemon tried to kill him in the same episode!
I hope you guys get to watch the video about the making of the battle scenes. Just for a taster, the forest area is the same one Ridley Scott used in "Gladiator".
Nobody is innocent here, nor the blacks or the greens. They are both bad, if Rhaenyra wanted it, she could have bent the knee, passed the song of ice and fire prophecy to Alicent sons and go from there, nobody would have died. She's not keeping her claim to the throne purely out of duty. Same goes for team Green. This story doesn't have a Jon Snow...
Exactly, Rhaenyra doesnt care about the smallfolk, and she does nothing the entire war except eating pies and taxing the hell out of the smallfolk. Theyre framing her as a saint when she was a racist, lazy, spoilt woman who believed the throne was hers while not caring for actual duties
Or maybe they could just include Aegon on their plan??? Like bfr the king should know the plan cus he is a dragonrider too.. L for Crispytongue and cyclops 2 inch d!ck
Meleys never stood a chance of beating Vhagar in a 1v1. So many people aren't understanding what happened in this fight. Meleys didn't knock vhagar down, it's actually the exact opposite. Vhagar was the one who brought the fight down to the ground As vhagar and meleys flew towards each other, Vhagar grabbed Meleys by the leg and broke it, then began dragging meleys down to the ground. Vhagar knew meleys wouldn't be able to take flight again with a broken leg, which would've made her a sitting duck. As they got closer to the ground Vhagar had to release meleys leg so she could start slowing her own descent rate, thus cushioning her landing. Meleys almost touched the ground, but she had just enough time/altitude to flap her wings to create lift and save herself from impact with the ground.
Why does nobody understand Sunfyre didnt just plummet to the ground, he is a dragon with wings and can break the fall significantly. Hence why he is not dead.
The Lyseni (from the Free City of Lys) are another group of silver haired Valyrian’s. It was not uncommon for Targ princes throughout history to go to Lys in search of a wife if there was no sister or cousin available to them. And yes, the Lyseni specialize in the art of love making.
What on earth is Igli talking about? Jace is not acting dumb, he is just telling his mother to act smart or just act. She's not doing any of those things. And on top of that, she left for King's Landing. Why would he not be mad at that? How the fuck is he dumb?
This series makes me so sad. I'm rooting for the Greens with all my heart, the scene with Aegon and Sunfyre breaks my heart, but that parting look between Melyes and Rhaenys broke my heart for the second time in the series...
I interpreted it as frustration. Aegon doing Aegon things puts them all in danger. I think he viewed it as a net positive to just remove him from the picture...
daemon said to the old queen we can take out vhagar together. old queen had the biggest dragon for team black and daemons is slightly smaller. both battle tested. Also vhagar and myleys both belonged to a married couple previously so they were togther often, so it sucks they had to kill each other.
Chill out. Dragons in this universe is most likely gender-fluid. "Dragons are neither male nor female, Barth saw the truth of that, but now one and now the other, as changeable as flame."
I think she knew she was on a kamikaze mission. She was the one til now saying never send in the dragons because it’s a nuclear option. She decided that’s the only option left and took it upon herself to do this showing Rhaenyra this is what they have to do. I love the exchanged look of Meleys and her knowing it was the end and thanks for all the memories type of look. I guess Aegon shouldn’t have humiliated Aemond last episode. I feel that he’s still alive but in bad shape because they would’ve shown him dead. Sad to see her and her dragon go. It was truly heartbreaking
This couldn’t be avoided. Otto set this up the minute Aemma and Baelon died, and he successfully sent Daemon away from Viserys, leaving him to be manipulated. Also, remember it was Otto who suggested Rhaenyra to be named heir, because he was already planning on having Alicent as the next queen, so he could have an Oldtown Andal puppet on the throne. Alicent herself made treasonous moves all her life the minute she put on that green dress. Way before a Viserys mumbled a name while drugged off his mind and about to die, in the same day he rose from his deathbed to defend the claim of his heir against his Hand and Vaemond, in front of the entire court. So no one buys he changed his mind and it would have happened even if he died saying: Rhaenyra is to be Queen. Alicent pretends because she needs to justify it to herself. Now Rhaenyra threw the truth in her face and she moved past it. They just didn’t think Aegon would try to be king instead of letting them rule for him.
Rheyns knew that a war is coming and the blacks will never win against vhagar. But now SHE is incredibly injured, remember she’s the oldest & slowest, so her size won’t always be a winner. And now the greens ONLY have her. Rhanys basically took one for the team and purposely sacrificed herself, that’s why she strapped herself in and kept going back. She knows the war is gonna get bad and probably doesn’t want to witness it all. You could see she looked bad about what happened to Aegon, that’s when she made the decision to go back. Even Melyes looked back at her and gave her a look like being on the same page cuz they’re so connected. There was a hint at how old and tired Vhagar is when aemond told her to wait and she just laid back down. She’s not going to be able to heal from this battle as quickly. That’s how I took it, but I’ve never read the books so who knows
Me when Rhaenys & Meleys were dogwalking Aegon: fuck yeah! Get his ass!👹👹👹👹 Me when Aemond & Vhagar dracarys'd him: noooo he's just a lil guy🥺 Team Green & Aegon may be trash, but I did feel bad for him this episode.
Rhaenys is my favorite character of the show, and I knew this was going to be her fate. She and Melys died true and honorable deaths as a Targaryen and a dragon. Rhaenys will forever and always be MY Queen ❤️🖤🔥
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The 3rd guy underestimate MELEYS Lol she can take down vhagar without that sneak attack. And in the books meleys fight sunfyre and vhagar no retreat!
Meleys is the no fear in battle like vhagar vermithor and fastest dragon
"Princess Rhaenys made no attempt to flee. With a glad cry and a crack of her whip, she turned Meleys toward the foe." - Fire and Blood
In the book it was very different though, she was basically locked into a 2v1 the whole time. Here she could've left especially since Meleys is one of the fastest dragon known to live.
@@neutchain7838 correction meleys was the fastest dragon period. No other dragon could match her speed
@@andrewb1147 thought so but I didnt want to lock myself into something unless I am absolutely 100% sure. She should've just dipped out of that fight when Vhaegar was on the ground, fly across the bay and get help.
"Beloved daughter of Lady Jocelyn Baratheon and Prince Aemon Targaryen, faithful wife to Lord Corlys Velaryon, mother and grandmother, the Queen Who Never Was lived fearlessly, and died amidst blood and fire. She was fifty-five years old."
RIP Rhaenys and Meleys
Rhaenys's heartbreak seeing Meleys die was brutal.
Felt bad for Sunfyre also. Bro got sliced up bad
A sad thing about Rhaenys death is that she was killed by what was her daughter's dragon
What’s even worse is that Meleys and Vhagar belonged to Daemon and Viserys’s parents so they were also inseparable and flew together often
@@hannahali5317exactly.... this is way worse
"Nobody wins when the family feuds."
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Isn't also Vhagar related to Meleys ? Like a grandmother/grandfather or something like that
@@matheuskeunecke1335 Meleys was referred to as “The Red Queen” her exact age and lineage is never established but she is the oldest and largest dragon after Vhagar so they probably are related in some way
Losing Rhaenys and Meleys was utterly devastating. They were a true team and had been to battle before. Neither back down from a fight. The way they looked at each other as they both realized they were going to die was a true warrior’s exit. I don’t know if the future deaths are going to be as noble. RIP Rhaenys and the Red Queen
Meleys was actually able to bring Vhagar down -- if you paid attention. Vhagar only wins on surprise attacks (sucker punches or rather - sucker munches) . Because when Meleys and Vhagar were head to head Vhagar wasnt able to stop Meleys -- it was only when Meleys and Rhaenys weren't looking, is when Vhagar and Aemond try to attack
Yeah Meleys is a lot faster than Vhagar
Everyone says this as some "got em" for team black but it just isn't reality. Gravity brought Vhagar to the ground. Meleys is much more agile and so was able to pull up but Meleys caused Vhagar no significant damage. Also intelligence is an important part of battle and Vhagar has shown herself to be the smartest dragon with the way she attacks. There are no rules in war and it is irrelevant whether you think it's a "sucker punch."
Gravity brought vhagar down not meleys and it did nothing to net
@@infinitetk4165Assuming gravity is always present, does Vhagar often fall randomly from the sky, or was something different on this occasion?
Meleys never stood a chance of beating Vhagar in a 1v1.
So many people aren't understanding what happened in this fight. Meleys didn't knock vhagar down, it's actually the exact opposite. Vhagar was the one who brought the fight down to the ground
As vhagar and meleys flew towards each other, Vhagar grabbed Meleys by the leg and broke it, then began dragging meleys down to the ground. Vhagar knew meleys wouldn't be able to take flight again with a broken leg, which would've made her a sitting duck.
As they got closer to the ground Vhagar had to release meleys leg so she could start slowing her own descent rate, thus cushioning her landing.
Meleys almost touched the ground, but she had just enough time/altitude to flap her wings to create lift and save herself from impact with the ground.
It’s a shame we didn’t get to see more of Sunfyre before he got injured, what a beautiful dragon
Agreed! I kept hearing about him and that's the only time we saw him!
@@johnnyskinwalker4095 Don't worry dude is going to be a beast later.
@@johnnyskinwalker4095 Seriously though, the bullshit of a scene in episode 9 that we got, was supposed to be THE SCENE of SUNFYRE THE GOLDEN, and it still irritates me, that was Aegon's moment riding him around the city and whst we got was Rhaenys genociding a bunch of smallfolk when she could of literally gotten away through one of the other entrances of the Dragonpit.
@@rhuskymikhaelorcullo5832that’s so obviously not exciting enough though
The only true crime of the episode
Rhaenys returned because regardless of the ambush, the order from her queen and the original intention was to secure rooks rest and stop criston cole's advance. she could've easily fled on several occasions but that would mean effectively giving up the crownlands and maybe the war at this point, so se took her chances and decided to fight.
she already beat aegon and she saw how ruthless aemond was, so in a sense dhe was hoping she could end the whole war for rhaenyra here once and for all,. In a sense she knew the danger she was in so you could say she was effectively commiting suicide, but she also knew what fleeing would mean for rhaenyras war effort, so she stayed and fought...
say what you wil about rhaenys but if she was the queen she seemed the kind to take on the battle herself rather than send people to do the fighting for her, something we see in rhaenyra too, which is why she stands by her
Also, if she could wound Vhagar in any way, it will make killing Vhagar by the next dragon much easier.
this isnt riverlands
Rhaenys? The one that killed some hundreds commoners for nothing, could have ended the war and avoided thousands of deaths but again did nothing. And more, the one that advice Rhaenyra to ridiculously go chat with Alicent after everything that happened. Exposing Rhaenyra at such risk with no control of the situation at all, delivering herself to the enemy.
Rhaenys is lost and indecisive, she cant decide if she wants to go to war or not, and commit to it. There was no need for her to sacrifice herself in this battle, she should have flown away to Dragonstone when Vhagar was down, or even better, after Vhagar burned Sunfire.
Rhaenys should follow Daemon logical idea to team up
@@howfireand aemond literally did the same thing to his own people and he does it again in the future he doesn’t care about anyone but himself they are dragon riders not to mention rhaenys was cornered and had no choice but to take her dragon back and that gave rhaenyera a chance at all to take sunfyre down.
@@howfire FACTS. Rhaenys is the worst character of HOTD by far.
Shoutout to Lord Darklyn for spending his last moments shit talking Criston
I don't understand why does everyone keep calling Vaghar "he" It's been stated numerous times that Vhagar is a she.
Because people just can’t accept the largest and fiercest dragon is female. Men have fragile egos.
Most people are too casual to care about the little details.
It’s not that deep guys, we’ve talked about it too in past reactions. All of us know Vhagar is female. It’s just a small mistake
It's a he , now keep crying about using the wrong pronoun for a fictional creature.
It’s not that deep, but equally it’s not that difficult to remember she is a female character.
RIP to the queen who ALWAYS was and her beloved dragon Meleys
The queen who ALWAYS was❤
RIP The Queen Who Never Was
She will ALWAYS be Queen of our hearts.
RIP to Rhaenys, The Queen Who Never Was and the Red Queen, Melys ❤
You guys were so excited to see a fight you didn't see the death flags for her...
I literally cried as soon as she volunteered. I felt it in my soul. 😢
“Princess Rhaenys made no attempt to flee. With a glad cry and a crack of her whip, she turned Meleys toward the foe.” - Fire & Blood. Rhaenys Targaryen and her dragon Meleys not backing down and bravely facing Vhagar.
Princess Rhaenys could have escaped
Ifs he wanted to. Meleys is faster than Vhagar and Caraxes. Rhaenys chose to stay because she saw and she knew she
had the chance to injure Vhagar and
somewhat incapacitate her and Aemond to
fight in the future even at the expense of
her and Meleys life.
Aegon doesn't know how to speak high Valyrian fluently.. Aemond just humiliated him under his own council and made him look like a fool
Atleast Aegon doesn't hate his own family even tho treated and raised worse than Aemond
Even more embarrassing is the Grand Maester might have understood the whole conversation.
Aemond truly is evil! He makes even Ramsay Bolton look like a saint by comparison. I have not seen anyone more evil and vile than Aemond!
Aegon is such a chad he literally taught his dragon English. Keep hating
@@AnkitSingh-cd7tw Aegon is my fav character now, everyone in his family is so biased against him.
Daemon's over here in silent hill 2 while everyone else is fighting a civil war lol.
He is gatthering an army. Rhaenyra needs one if you dont remember
@@thaispereira7311it’s a joke about his dream sequences lol
This show is set for 4 season guys, not 3. There’s still more battles to come and more people to die. Also, more dragons to be claimed. We are in for a treat!!
@DeanLance-v4b I totally agree.
Shout out to the Queen who never was. I loved her character and what’s sad is if they allowed her to become Queen none of this would have happened.
Now imagine how big balerion would be on screen. Half the fucking budget would go to that 😂
Vhagar during the Dance is approximately the same size as Balerion during the Conquest.
We will see they green lit a aegon 1 show
@@mizzike13no she isn't baelrion is still bigger then vhagar is currently remember it's said he could cover whole towns in his shadow when he flew by .
@@mizzike13 she is almost the same size as when the conquest was started, and balerion lived for what like 100 years after the conquest. so she is no where near as large as he was when he died.
@@thatoneblackdude3333 towns in Westeros are small. Plus, depending on the distance and angle of the sun, dragon and town, it wont require much more than Vhagar to cover a whole westerosi town with their shadow.
Daemon had the correct strategy from the beginning. He had ordered Rhaenys to ride with him so both could attack Vhagar simultaneously because she was so big & killing Aemon at the same time. Rhaenys answer was no, he couldn't order her because he wasn't king. Big mistake.
Rhaenys killed by her dead Daughter's dragon
Cole and Aemond playing 4-d chess.
Both Vhagar and Meleys used to be dragons for quite power couple : Baelon and Alyssa Targaryen, Viserys' and Daemon's parents.
39:21 Yes, Sunfyre was supposed to be the most beautiful dragon that ever lived. And he had a very strong bond to his rider, Aegon the usurper :)
the funny thing is Aegon isnt remembered as a usurper, Rhaenyra is.....even Stannis claims shes a traitor LMAO
@@csinne That doesn’t change the fact that Aegon was the actual usurper. The truth is Viserys named Rhaenyra his heir and he kept his word. As stubborn and irrational his decision could be perceived then. So, yes, Aegon was an usurper.
@@svl_93 he is tho...Westeros history remembers him as the actual King, GRRM made Rhaenyra be known as the Usurper. Plus Viserys cant choose his heir as Westeros is a feudal monarchy where the tradition follows the firstborn son to be king, just like in real world history. That same law made him king over Rhaenys
@@csinne congratulations, you now understood that history about women is often written by misogynistic men 👍🏼 the thing this show and the books were trying to show
@@csinne If it was sooooo obvious that Viserys should’ve been named king over Rhaenys, Jaehaerys the wisest king in the history of Westeros wouldn’t have convened a Great Council to settle the succession of the crown. Don’t you think?
Aegon son was killed and his mother says “do nothing” I can’t help but feel like if I was in his position I’d be very eager too. And cristin Cole is brave. He’s an egocentric assmouth, but he is a brave man.
She has been a terrible mother and is contiuing to be. lol Aegon would not be in this position in the first place he had been properly trained to rule by Alicent. Also another compliment about Cole, he's been pretty badass since Episode 1.
@@johnnyskinwalker4095 yeah and I get she’s grieving too but she clearly has bias amongst her children and Aegon is her least fav 😭 also yes man and his impromptu speech was just wow. Simple but effective. I actually cheered. He’s quick on his feet and brutal with a sword. I don’t really like Cole, but I understand him. And if I were in this universe I’d think twice before crossing swords with him.
@@DJsDomain_ If I were in that World and was a King's Guard, I would just offer him a beer. He needs to loosen up! lol
@DeanLance-v4b well any modern man would be, specially you, almost none of us are competent with swords to that extent. Tbh I’d side with them. No need to fight the winning side haha. Not what Tywin would do.
@DeanLance-v4b that’s actually very true but if I were in universe I wouldn’t be privy to that. And I’d die young likely. Under the banner of the one true king!
King Aegon was wearing Aegon the Conqueror's Valerian armor. Worth more than castles. He should be hanging on to dear life.
Personally I find Aegon to be one of the most complex/interesting characters on HOTD and I've noticed a lot of people barely recognize it because they hate him so much. Which I find interesting, since it seems they hate him for either being Rhaenyra's enemy or because he's useless. I don't think many people hate him because he raped Dyana, otherwise they'd hate Daemon for killing Rhea. The difference is that Daemon is competent in battle and is saracastic, but Aegon's incompetence is a story in itself
This may be dumb but if you think about aegon was drunk when he crashed n like a lot of dui drivers they usual survive crashes due to them being intoxicated
37:02 and what is Daemon supposed to do there? Dreams are happening with or without those drinks, he is in Harrenal for a reason. Is he supposed to leave it for the Greens and not control the Riverlands? They need an army, and that is why he is there. Team Green already has an army, and Daemon needs one for Team Black. What is this thought process, what on earth is he supposed to do there?
And Igli, he is the king consort. That is not him taking power, that is exactly who he is. What he said to Oscar Tully is true. A liege lord can't act weak and allow his vassal houses like Blackwoods and Brackens to do what they want. That is why he brought in The Blackwoods to assemble an army by bringing people to Team Black. Is that not what was supposed to be done? You do realize that Team Black has no army, right? Rhaenyra is currently doing nothing to get an army, that is why he has to.
He is not a detriment, he is the most powerful weapon she has. The fear of him is the reason she married him.
I think they forgot the reason that daemon was there and that he is not having this allucinations because he wants 😂
@@thaispereira7311 yes it is hilarious how people seem to completely miss the fact why Daemon is there. He is there to take an army to rival the greens. they even said so in the episode. It is insane to me how people miss that easy detail.
imagine camping with a dragon
@@s_.777 no need to make a fire, when you have a living space heater.
Vhagar is a femsle. Sunfyre is a male. Great reaction!
They are intersex
the farewell look between Meleys and Rhaenys before their died really brokes me 😭
Alys put the red paste from the Weardwood and gave Daemon to drink, that tree is magical because of the old gods.
Yikes both these factions took a massive loss a battle won with the crippling of a king and a battle loss with the death of an experienced dragon rider and the only person who can keep the black council in line
that’s war for you, everyone loses
So, Vhagar is known as the Queen of the Dragons. She's a female dragon of over 180 years old. I always see people saying "He is huge" and "There's no fighting against him" and assuming she's a male dragon, but she isn't and that's important for the story. Female dragons fiercely defend their riders, more than male dragons that usually just prefer attacking first with no care for the riders. Which makes Vhagar even more dangerous, because if Aemond is at risk, she won't spare anything to keep him safe.
“Beloved daughter of lady Jocelyn Baratheon and prince Aemon Targaryen, faithful wife to Corlys Velaryon, mother and grandmother, the queen who never was lived fearlessly, and died amidst blood and fire. she was fifty-five years old.”
The queen who should of been!!! Went out like a true warrior, and if u watch closely u see she did bring vhaegar down while they were spinning, she would of won if granny vhaegar wasn’t so good at sneak attacks 😂
"Princess Rhaenys made no attempt to flee. With a glad cry and a crack of her whip, she turned Meleys to her enemies." 💔 - Fire & Blood (Im fuckin cryin bros) RIP to the Red Queen, and The Queen Who SHOULD’VE Been.
I never realized how emotionally unprepared I was to see dragons kill each other. I feel like the dragons are a bit more domesticated in hotd versus got and it makes it significantly worse seeing their owners bond with them and then they get sent out to fight wars that aren't their own.
I know we all love to forget season 8 ever happened but we did see a dragon fight there lol
Every dragon riders: "Dracarys!"
Rhaenys: "Angos Meleys!"
Cole may be a bitter loser and a hypocrite but tactically the man is no idiot, far from it, he’s a good and experienced warrior and capable commander
When did Cojo glowup so much? I'm watching AoT too and he went from looking like a young Jack Black to a young Dennis Quaid! Looking good man
Rhaenys' death is even sadder when you consider that her daughter was the previous rider of Vhagar and Aemond robbed Rhaena of the chance to claim her
I realized I cant handle hearing any critters in pain as I had to cover my ears during the dragon fight. RIP Rhaenys
Keep in mind in the books Meleys was 2v1 them both at the same time
I wish they kept that..
31:35 "just trying to climb on his dragon now" - well, ahem, that would be *really* crazy, if someone does that, right? Right?!?! 😂🤣
i feel very bad for Sunfyre and a little bad for Aegon, Aemond is fuckin’ diabolical
Rhaenys HAD to be the one to start it….she had pushed the blacks back so much they had to get some leveling ground. She was advising Rhaenyra I’m sure she felt some responsibility. But now BECAUSE of her death and the manner of it she has protected the Rook. This in turn will help to get their other allies and Daemon’s heads out of their asses.
It felt like Ned's death in GoT, Rhaenys was my favorite character 😢💔
And that look (with that little smile) she gave Meleys before she gave it the order to attack, looked just like the one my mom gave me a few days before she passed. She knew she was going to die. It's more of a 'I'm ready to go now' kinda look, 'ready to rest'. Even the dragon was tired.
Great actress, great character! RIP, my queen 👑🐲🔥
Meleys was the fastest dragon and has that strategy of attacking underneath to claw at the lungs/belly. Meleys was the one that grabbed Vaghar to then claw and pushed to the ground. If Rhaenys would have taken Daemon seriously before, his plan to team up against Vaghar would have worked.
Notice how Rhaenys never commanded Dracarys. She is no kinslayer. She just wants to injure the dragons a bit to not be sent to war again. Whilst Aemond now has 2 1/2 kills. He deserves to only be remembered as a Kinslayer. A disgrace to House Targaryen.
Aemond really did nothing Vhagar did all the fighting on her own. Other than the one command, she's just an ancient warhorse! Poor Rhanys! Long live the Queen who never was!
Keep coping. Aemond is badass
In the books they actually tag teamed Rhaenys and she would’ve most likely won if that didn’t happen
Yeah the showrunners really want rhaenys to take good amount of screen time, fighting and having a "good exit"
Book Rhaenys has black hair because shes a Baratheon. Not all Targaryens have blonde hair.
Alyn? Corly’s bastard ? Catelyn stark could never, just another reason Rhaenys is one of the best characters in television history, make no mistake she might have lost to Vhagar but she could have wone Rhaenys is far more experienced and her bond to Meleys is far stronger, Aemond had to hide and catch here of gard if he hadn’t the fight would have been very different.
I can't wait until we get Sunfyre on his beast mode later. Dude's a menace in the book.
I mean not really but ok
I can't forgive the show for erasing Elmo and Kermit Tully, the show was cowardly for not being willing to follow through on Muppet Tully power, but here's hoping the now introduced Oscar Tully will actually get to be the badass he is in the books. Now Aemond saying F U to Aegon at Rook's Rest was a nice bit of addition/nuance to the book events, that was brilliant.
There's no need for Kermit in the story. He dies early on. Kermit and Oscar will be in the show.
@@nikdenver8512 Uh I think you mean Elmo. Also there is no Kermit in the show, they have clearly consolidated Kermit and Oscar into the show’s version of Oscar Tully to avoid using the most recognizable Muppet names. You’ll note that Oscar is said to be the heir, when in the books Kermit is the actual heir, so there is no Kermit Tully in the show.
"Why should your voice be any louder than ours, Princess?" "...Do you see the color of her hair?!" 😅
It's wild seeing Daemon tripping balls at Harrenhal. He's probably having "Weirwood dreams" (as Jaime did in the books) as Harrenhal was built on a cut-down Weirwood forest, the roots of surviving Weirwoods appear to be working their way through the ruins, and as Alys said, he was sleeping on a bed made from a felled Weirwood. The drink Alys gave him probably adds to it, as he still seemed to be a bit out of it at the meeting at the table.
Maybe Rhaenys is looking for a good husband for her grand-daughter Rhaena, since Luke is dead and Baela is betrothed to Jace and Joffrey is a bit young for Rhaena, and that's why she's checking out Alyn of Hull. A son of Corlys, if legitimated, could become his heir and Rhaena could become Lady of Driftmark as per their original plan.
Gods, I wish we got to see more of sunfyre before this episode. That is the most gorgeous dragon!! I didn’t expect how hard it would hit seeing the dragons go at each other. It not even their war 😢😢😢
I wish too.. but the show hates Aegon
Damn I thought Vhagar would be a little more of a fight but it seems like she can only do a sneak attack instead of a head on attack.
16:29 oh he was that little boy? lol!
This is how you could say that Queen Rhaenys and Meraxes die, only the form changed. Very sad for the loss, very angry at Rhaenyra's inaction, now with Aegon incapacitated they will surely seat Aemon on the throne.
3 times Aemon tried to kill him in the same episode!
Long Live to Rhaenys Targaryen, The Queen Who Never Was, she fights till the end and all of us we’ll remember you 🖤🔥
Not Aemond, *Vhagar is the most dangerous
Aemond is the most dangerous human
@@johnnyskinwalker4095No hes not the most dangerous thing about Aemond is vhagar
@@Jlpro_1lol what? He’s one of the best sword fighters in all of the seven kingdoms
@@dantelabella9753 no he's only describe as a good swordsman thats it the same could be said for Daemon Criston or Corlys
Gee, I guess it’s a good thing Aemond is Vhagars rider…
I hope you guys get to watch the video about the making of the battle scenes. Just for a taster, the forest area is the same one Ridley Scott used in "Gladiator".
Nobody is innocent here, nor the blacks or the greens.
They are both bad, if Rhaenyra wanted it, she could have bent the knee, passed the song of ice and fire prophecy to Alicent sons and go from there, nobody would have died.
She's not keeping her claim to the throne purely out of duty.
Same goes for team Green.
This story doesn't have a Jon Snow...
FACTS
Exactly, Rhaenyra doesnt care about the smallfolk, and she does nothing the entire war except eating pies and taxing the hell out of the smallfolk. Theyre framing her as a saint when she was a racist, lazy, spoilt woman who believed the throne was hers while not caring for actual duties
Well Rhaenyra was crowned next in line and was groomed to rule while Aegon the Userper just drank and fuck anyone he meets
Why would she bend the knee FOR SOMETHING THAT WAS HERS?😭
@@Good4ujar to avoid war
Poor Aegon and Sunfyre💔
@@etc8217lmaoo
God I’m so glad to see more Aegon support 😭 we are few. Our king will rise again.
@@DJsDomain_ in the words of Sandor Clegane: f*ck the king (specially your rap*st king)
@@Shiera_Seastar_ am i wrong? or do you agree with me.
@@V_i_vi_an blah blah. still the one true heir to the throne. Viserys broke laws of gods and men and Aegon is the true ruler. Sorry pal.
I cried so fucking hard to Meleys and Rhaenys falling. Sunfyre too man.
Hated it.
The "honestly just try to climb onto his dragon" had me like 👀
got to hand it too Criston if Aegon didnt ruin the plan it would have been brilliant
Or maybe they could just include Aegon on their plan??? Like bfr the king should know the plan cus he is a dragonrider too.. L for Crispytongue and cyclops 2 inch d!ck
Meleys never stood a chance of beating Vhagar in a 1v1.
So many people aren't understanding what happened in this fight. Meleys didn't knock vhagar down, it's actually the exact opposite. Vhagar was the one who brought the fight down to the ground
As vhagar and meleys flew towards each other, Vhagar grabbed Meleys by the leg and broke it, then began dragging meleys down to the ground. Vhagar knew meleys wouldn't be able to take flight again with a broken leg, which would've made her a sitting duck.
As they got closer to the ground Vhagar had to release meleys leg so she could start slowing her own descent rate, thus cushioning her landing.
Meleys almost touched the ground, but she had just enough time/altitude to flap her wings to create lift and save herself from impact with the ground.
Long Live Aemond One Eyed!
Naw cole is actually op in battle, hes smart and he's skilled
Why does nobody understand Sunfyre didnt just plummet to the ground, he is a dragon with wings and can break the fall significantly. Hence why he is not dead.
The Lyseni (from the Free City of Lys) are another group of silver haired Valyrian’s. It was not uncommon for Targ princes throughout history to go to Lys in search of a wife if there was no sister or cousin available to them. And yes, the Lyseni specialize in the art of love making.
Y'all are so quick with it I love u 😩😩
Daemon should stop being AFK
(Away From Karaxes)
Edit: I know that's not how it's spelled... I tried🙁
Close enough
What on earth is Igli talking about? Jace is not acting dumb, he is just telling his mother to act smart or just act. She's not doing any of those things. And on top of that, she left for King's Landing. Why would he not be mad at that?
How the fuck is he dumb?
Vhaegar is a girl
Sunfyre is a male.
Great episode. At 32:58 if you had subtitles on it was Gwayne Hightower who said that
This series makes me so sad. I'm rooting for the Greens with all my heart, the scene with Aegon and Sunfyre breaks my heart, but that parting look between Melyes and Rhaenys broke my heart for the second time in the series...
Same
Team green all the way
We saw Jon and Rhaegal fight the Night King on Viserion. That was the first real dragon fight we’ve seen
I see theyre committed to the book charactisation of Aemond being a dumbass.
Taking out one of your factions dragons out of nothing but spite.
He did it because he wants to be king, it wasn't just out of spite
@kylamarie8621 yes he wants to be king, but his decision to do this is driven out of spite
It's not a logical grab for throne.
@@tiernanrea1726 grab the crown first then defend it. You can't defend it if you are not sit on it at the first place, it's logical
@@svl_93Maelor doesn’t exist in the show
I interpreted it as frustration. Aegon doing Aegon things puts them all in danger. I think he viewed it as a net positive to just remove him from the picture...
daemon said to the old queen we can take out vhagar together. old queen had the biggest dragon for team black and daemons is slightly smaller. both battle tested. Also vhagar and myleys both belonged to a married couple previously so they were togther often, so it sucks they had to kill each other.
Vaghar- Female
Meleys- Female
Sunfyre- Male
Nothing makes me angrier than when the dragons are misgendered. Not even people being misgendered
You need to take some time of the internet.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Chill out. Dragons in this universe is most likely gender-fluid.
"Dragons are neither male nor female, Barth saw the truth of that, but now one and now the other, as changeable as flame."
STFU. Misgendering CGI😂😅
youve must be living a very comfortable life than
one of the best episodes in the GoT universe
Such a good episode !!
I think she knew she was on a kamikaze mission. She was the one til now saying never send in the dragons because it’s a nuclear option. She decided that’s the only option left and took it upon herself to do this showing Rhaenyra this is what they have to do. I love the exchanged look of Meleys and her knowing it was the end and thanks for all the memories type of look. I guess Aegon shouldn’t have humiliated Aemond last episode. I feel that he’s still alive but in bad shape because they would’ve shown him dead. Sad to see her and her dragon go. It was truly heartbreaking
alicent who pushed Aegon onto the battlefield! after, their conversation. Aemond tried to kill Aegon after he felt bullied by his own brother. 🗿
Team Black need to get them biggest unclaimed dragons like Vermithor to go against Vaeghar, Maelys was the best
Sunfyre may be small but he is the toughest dragon in the dance
This couldn’t be avoided. Otto set this up the minute Aemma and Baelon died, and he successfully sent Daemon away from Viserys, leaving him to be manipulated. Also, remember it was Otto who suggested Rhaenyra to be named heir, because he was already planning on having Alicent as the next queen, so he could have an Oldtown Andal puppet on the throne. Alicent herself made treasonous moves all her life the minute she put on that green dress. Way before a Viserys mumbled a name while drugged off his mind and about to die, in the same day he rose from his deathbed to defend the claim of his heir against his Hand and Vaemond, in front of the entire court. So no one buys he changed his mind and it would have happened even if he died saying: Rhaenyra is to be Queen. Alicent pretends because she needs to justify it to herself. Now Rhaenyra threw the truth in her face and she moved past it. They just didn’t think Aegon would try to be king instead of letting them rule for him.
Rhaenys was definitely my favorite Targaryen she was as real as they come and fearless.. Blood of the dragon and stag
Rheyns knew that a war is coming and the blacks will never win against vhagar. But now SHE is incredibly injured, remember she’s the oldest & slowest, so her size won’t always be a winner. And now the greens ONLY have her. Rhanys basically took one for the team and purposely sacrificed herself, that’s why she strapped herself in and kept going back. She knows the war is gonna get bad and probably doesn’t want to witness it all. You could see she looked bad about what happened to Aegon, that’s when she made the decision to go back. Even Melyes looked back at her and gave her a look like being on the same page cuz they’re so connected. There was a hint at how old and tired Vhagar is when aemond told her to wait and she just laid back down. She’s not going to be able to heal from this battle as quickly. That’s how I took it, but I’ve never read the books so who knows
Me when Rhaenys & Meleys were dogwalking Aegon: fuck yeah! Get his ass!👹👹👹👹
Me when Aemond & Vhagar dracarys'd him: noooo he's just a lil guy🥺
Team Green & Aegon may be trash, but I did feel bad for him this episode.
My Queen that never was!!!! RIP my girl!
Rhaenys is my favorite character of the show, and I knew this was going to be her fate. She and Melys died true and honorable deaths as a Targaryen and a dragon. Rhaenys will forever and always be MY Queen ❤️🖤🔥