Hello, Bo! Thanks for this video. I have been debating adding the lights via an m84 to my layout and this gives me a bit more desire. I do not have block detection set up, so I am looking at adding in a "motion sensor" type, but static would be fine, too!
Hi Anthony, I am glad that this video gives some inspiration. Are you just looking for signals - or some simple automation? For your layout that is mostly loops it shouldn't be too difficult to make some CS3 events that multiple trains on each loop (if you divide into small enough sections). by "motion sensor" type are you thinking about some infrared sensor - or? Enjoy ;-)
Hi Bo !! Thanks a lot for your videos. They help me a lot to understand all about my layout. Regarding this video, I´d like to ask you something : As in my Mobile Station 2 I have several things to control ( trains, lights and turnouts ), I wonder if it should be more efficient to connect the signals Marklin 74371 , 74391 and 74380 to a Control panel Marklin 72751 . Maybe it is much easier to change the lights of the signals. I mean, you don´t have to look at your MS2 every time you want to do something. Please, can you give me your opinion on that ? I can not buy a Central Station 3 at the moment, so I have to work with my MS2, and for the signals make it as simple and fast as possible. Wait for your comments.
Hi Joaquin, It does make sense to use the signal control box for the signals to avoid looking at the MS2 all the time as you suggest. Also, some people also just like to have something physical to press. You could even use the input for the M84 to change the signal using a control box. In this case I believe it is the Märklin 72720, but I am not sure. Check the manual for the M84 on page 15: static.maerklin.de/damcontent/46/23/46232662a863dd86dbcd0291ea519cdf1650956214.pdf In this way you can use both the MS2 and the physical buttons. However, do remember that having a lot of control boxes and wires quickly adds up and could become pricy - especially the START UP version as it is purposely made for easy click and connect. Do consider snipping wires and using the Märklin 72730/40 (a little usure which one is best for signals) with the standard plugs instead. This might be cheaper instead of buying the specialized START UP plugs and wires. Also dont forget that when adding all the prices, then a CS3 might not be that far off? However, unfortunately it is an expensive hobby... Hope this helps! Enjoy ;-) Bo
hi Bo, I love your videos. May i ask if i am looking at including the viessmann kombination signals to my marklin layout using the viessmann multiplexer. My questions are: 1. Is it much easier for me to use the multiplexer rathan reprogram my m84? 2. How do i connect the multiplexer to my layout? 3. will the signals run in line with my marklin signals or will they conflict with each other if i use the multiplexer? My reasoning for asking is that i want to use modern signals on my layout and i want to avoid all the wiring mess (no offence intended) that you had when you showed the video of viessman signals using the m84. Thanks and keep up the good work. Take care Alfred
Hi Alf, 1. I have not tried the Viessmann multiplexer (e.g. Viessmann 5229) so I cannot say if it is easier than the M84. Looking at the manual: viessmann-modell.com/media/pdf/14/fb/45/5229-pdfKa4LLVzocJWSD.pdf it does not seem too difficult. It seem that it automatically recognizes the (supported) Viessman signal you attach and there are some adjustment possibilities using a dip-switch (figure 4). The address is set by pressing and holding the address button until it blinks. Then you can change address from MS2/CS3 to program. See sections 4.3-4.6. 2. I have not tried it, but looking in the manual indicated above - connecting to the layout seems simple. Figure 2 shows that you need to connect red/brown to the track. However, notice the extra red wire at the top of the device connecting another red to COM - that is probably important. 3. You can mix and match accessories from different brands as long as they have different addresses. As an example you can have a Märklin signal occupying 2 addresses on address 1-2 and Viessman occupying 4 addresses on address 3-7. The trick is to ensure that addresses never overlap and to remember how many adresses each accessory occupies. Do remember sometimes devices that occupy 4 addresses can only be set to certain addresses e.g. 1, 5, 9, ... I agree that accessories from other manufactors such as Viessmann multiplexer, ESU Signalpilot and others can simplify the wire mess ;-) Hope this helps! Enjoy ;-) Bo
Hi Bo thanks for the video. I have. CS3plus. I guess I still need an M84 to control a signal and an electric turnout. Can I parallel the signal and the turnout wiring on the same address? By that means I can change the turnout on track A to cross a diamond crossing over track B and the signal on the crossed track B would change to red and stop the train on track B…..
Hi Kimball, You can have a signal and a turnout on the same address and change these at the same time. However, be careful as turnouts use a lot of power when changing and having multiple at the same time could overload the layout. Can you attach a signal and a turnout to a M84? Yes - and No... M84 is good for continuos power, while for pulses you should use the M83. Additionally, the M83 is cheaper than the M84. You can use a turnout with the M84, but you have to be careful... Using the CS3 I would put turnouts and signals on each their address as you would get more flexibility using CS3 events. I might make a video on this in the future, but currently not planned. Hope this helps! Enjoy ;-)
@@ModelTrainFunThanks Bo for the clarification. One of the advantages of digital is no long runs of wire. But these accessories use wires anyway. So I think I prefer then to use the manual switch boxes such as the 72760 with any digital device via the M83 (60832). By that method I just press 2 buttons at the same time, or each button alone as desired. But I have to find the time to experiment.
Hi Blisie, if you just want a signal that can change between red and green without affecting the locomotive, then you only need the wires shown in this video. If you want the locomotive to stop on red using a STOP section, then you need additional wires - see this video: ruclips.net/video/1sSSNow4cQc/видео.html Hope this helps! Enjoy ;-) Bo
I like your videos, very well explained but not boring.
Hi Norbert, Glad to hear that and I they help in your model train adventures. Enjoy ;-) Bo
Tak for din video. Den var til stor hjælp 👍👍
Hejsa Steen, Herligt at den kunne hjælpe - hygge ;-) Bo
Hi Bo
Nice video and clearly explained
Hi Thomas, Glad you liked it! Enjoy ;-)
Hello, Bo! Thanks for this video. I have been debating adding the lights via an m84 to my layout and this gives me a bit more desire. I do not have block detection set up, so I am looking at adding in a "motion sensor" type, but static would be fine, too!
Hi Anthony, I am glad that this video gives some inspiration. Are you just looking for signals - or some simple automation? For your layout that is mostly loops it shouldn't be too difficult to make some CS3 events that multiple trains on each loop (if you divide into small enough sections). by "motion sensor" type are you thinking about some infrared sensor - or? Enjoy ;-)
Hi Bo !! Thanks a lot for your videos. They help me a lot to understand all about my layout. Regarding this video, I´d like to ask you something : As in my Mobile Station 2 I have several things to control ( trains, lights and turnouts ), I wonder if it should be more efficient to connect the signals Marklin 74371 , 74391 and 74380 to a Control panel Marklin 72751 . Maybe it is much easier to change the lights of the signals. I mean, you don´t have to look at your MS2 every time you want to do something. Please, can you give me your opinion on that ? I can not buy a Central Station 3 at the moment, so I have to work with my MS2, and for the signals make it as simple and fast as possible. Wait for your comments.
Hi Joaquin,
It does make sense to use the signal control box for the signals to avoid looking at the MS2 all the time as you suggest. Also, some people also just like to have something physical to press. You could even use the input for the M84 to change the signal using a control box. In this case I believe it is the Märklin 72720, but I am not sure. Check the manual for the M84 on page 15: static.maerklin.de/damcontent/46/23/46232662a863dd86dbcd0291ea519cdf1650956214.pdf In this way you can use both the MS2 and the physical buttons.
However, do remember that having a lot of control boxes and wires quickly adds up and could become pricy - especially the START UP version as it is purposely made for easy click and connect. Do consider snipping wires and using the Märklin 72730/40 (a little usure which one is best for signals) with the standard plugs instead. This might be cheaper instead of buying the specialized START UP plugs and wires. Also dont forget that when adding all the prices, then a CS3 might not be that far off? However, unfortunately it is an expensive hobby...
Hope this helps! Enjoy ;-) Bo
You could also consider a used CS2 or CS3.
hi Bo, I love your videos. May i ask if i am looking at including the viessmann kombination signals to my marklin layout using the viessmann multiplexer. My questions are:
1. Is it much easier for me to use the multiplexer rathan reprogram my m84?
2. How do i connect the multiplexer to my layout?
3. will the signals run in line with my marklin signals or will they conflict with each other if i use the multiplexer?
My reasoning for asking is that i want to use modern signals on my layout and i want to avoid all the wiring mess (no offence intended) that you had when you showed the video of viessman signals using the m84.
Thanks and keep up the good work. Take care
Alfred
Hi Alf,
1. I have not tried the Viessmann multiplexer (e.g. Viessmann 5229) so I cannot say if it is easier than the M84. Looking at the manual: viessmann-modell.com/media/pdf/14/fb/45/5229-pdfKa4LLVzocJWSD.pdf it does not seem too difficult. It seem that it automatically recognizes the (supported) Viessman signal you attach and there are some adjustment possibilities using a dip-switch (figure 4). The address is set by pressing and holding the address button until it blinks. Then you can change address from MS2/CS3 to program. See sections 4.3-4.6.
2. I have not tried it, but looking in the manual indicated above - connecting to the layout seems simple. Figure 2 shows that you need to connect red/brown to the track. However, notice the extra red wire at the top of the device connecting another red to COM - that is probably important.
3. You can mix and match accessories from different brands as long as they have different addresses. As an example you can have a Märklin signal occupying 2 addresses on address 1-2 and Viessman occupying 4 addresses on address 3-7. The trick is to ensure that addresses never overlap and to remember how many adresses each accessory occupies. Do remember sometimes devices that occupy 4 addresses can only be set to certain addresses e.g. 1, 5, 9, ...
I agree that accessories from other manufactors such as Viessmann multiplexer, ESU Signalpilot and others can simplify the wire mess ;-)
Hope this helps! Enjoy ;-) Bo
Nice video👍
Hi, Thanks! Enjoy ;-)
Hello Bo
Nice video
Hi Eric, Thanks! Enjoy ;-)
Hi Bo thanks for the video. I have. CS3plus. I guess I still need an M84 to control a signal and an electric turnout. Can I parallel the signal and the turnout wiring on the same address? By that means I can change the turnout on track A to cross a diamond crossing over track B and the signal on the crossed track B would change to red and stop the train on track B…..
Hi Kimball,
You can have a signal and a turnout on the same address and change these at the same time. However, be careful as turnouts use a lot of power when changing and having multiple at the same time could overload the layout.
Can you attach a signal and a turnout to a M84? Yes - and No... M84 is good for continuos power, while for pulses you should use the M83. Additionally, the M83 is cheaper than the M84. You can use a turnout with the M84, but you have to be careful... Using the CS3 I would put turnouts and signals on each their address as you would get more flexibility using CS3 events. I might make a video on this in the future, but currently not planned.
Hope this helps! Enjoy ;-)
@@ModelTrainFunThanks Bo for the clarification. One of the advantages of digital is no long runs of wire.
But these accessories use wires anyway. So I think I prefer then to use the manual switch boxes such as the 72760 with any digital device via the M83 (60832). By that method I just press 2 buttons at the same time, or each button alone as desired.
But I have to find the time to experiment.
So do you actually need to use the red wires for the block signal? (red and green signal)
Because i got it for christmass and with the red wires the track has no power at the secsoin I've put it (the red wires)
Hi Blisie, if you just want a signal that can change between red and green without affecting the locomotive, then you only need the wires shown in this video. If you want the locomotive to stop on red using a STOP section, then you need additional wires - see this video: ruclips.net/video/1sSSNow4cQc/видео.html Hope this helps! Enjoy ;-) Bo
Ty Bo
Hi Henk, Glad you liked it! Enjoy ;-)
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