"I was getting a good price.." XD okay, 4.1% chance to make a backdoor flush and he just has the Ace. He has at best 12% equity to even improve. I will only call backdoor flushdraw potential to constant bluffers, and regs I know have sets or stronger and/or will call even if the board becomes wet/draw heavy.
He's got around 4.14% to make his backdoor Flush Draw which would require pot odds of 1 to 23.15 and that doesn't even take into account potential Turn bets he has to call. But sure he is getting a GREAT PRICE :) :)
I think the odds are even lower. Post flop there are three clubs showing, assume 4 clubs were dealt in the other 16 card, leaving 6 clubs in the deck. That would put the odds for a run of flushes at 3% (6/31 * 5/30). Basically 1 to 33 pot odds?
I think the odds are even lower. Post flop there are three clubs showing, assume 4 clubs were dealt in the other 16 card, leaving 6 clubs in the deck. That would put the odds for a run of flushes at 3% (6/31 * 5/30). Basically 1 to 33 pot odds?
Hi, Ok, so I have a question here. We work out the break even at say 62% as an indication of how many folds we require. Roughly, If we needed say 20% folds, yes that would be good. Or If say we needed 90% folds yes that would be bad. But 62%, or numbers around this figure? What are you to do with this this number? I guess that most people in this position would just hum and ha with a wet finger up in the air but would that really help them? Would it not be better to work out a range of hands with combos for and against w.r.t. the 62%?
I don't mind reviewing hands that have small or big mistakes in them. I think you can always improve you skill in every hand history. There are standard plays with different hands, of course, but you can do mental exercizes with other parts of your range in the exact spot.
I know I'm long after the video, but if I'm in the position of the hero on the flop I'm not thinking about the back-door flush, I'm thinking about running a bluff on any club. We know Villain can't have the nut flush, so depending on our image (I usually play tight-aggressive) we can convincingly run a lone-Ace bluff. But folding the flop is the best play here.
Hero should go back to the basics and lean how much chances he has to get a backdoor flush, because he clearly doesn't get the pot odds to call... if he thinks his ace in an out, ok in that case. And how can you call someone solid reg when he mini bet the flop?
If I also have 3 cards in a row for a good backdoor straight, or two overcards on a board with only a few draws, I think it's good enough to raise as a semibluff.
This board is not good for the situations obviously, but you need to think about how you'll have enough bluffs in your range when the flop comes pretty dry. Backdoors plus overcards help you to even out that bluff raising range out of position, and your continuing range when you aren't the preflop raiser.
@@DrasticKDescription agreed, biggest mistake of all here was preflop by far. People should just learn to play 3b/fold from the SB until they can win consistently at medium stakes and not get fancy.
do you think hero mite fold out some top pair may 2 pair hands on turn with the nut flush blocker? you didn't mention this in the video was just curious if that may make the raise bluff more plus ev
If we are going to believe that "SOLID REG" is a solid reg, AxJc is then the only hand that makes sense IMO. In other words, HERO got extremely. Not only did he ace the turn & river, but also that VILLAIN had the only hand he would BET-CALL river with against the weird line HERO took.
it's actually not a terrible idea in this spot if hero has some more thought behind it. A reasonable (tho amitious) though process would be "I'm calling with the back door flush draw because I have the Ac in my hand. If a club comes on the turn I can rep the crap out of the flush as a bluff because the villain can't have the nuts so with enough pressure he should fold most of his range". it's not a bad idea, honestly I might run the same play in this spot depending on who the villain is, we are getting a sick price after all...
That he go very very lucky is an understatement.any naked As in the small blind is a terrible play.Especially if it is not suited I even dump this As on the button., But there at least you see what everyone does before it gets to you.!But count your blessing that day an angel was sitting on your shoulder!
AxJc, that cbet the flop and bet bigger OTT cuz he got excited. Jc9x is possible too. Along with JJ and 99 with a club. There's 14 combos right there. Possible he could be calling wider too maybe talk himself into thinking you're bluffing with that x/r binding bet thing OTR. 🤷♀️ it happens sometimes especially with a bluffy image.
IF you decide to stay in the hand and you see that flop, there is no way I would fold unless a pair appears on the board, but the possibility of a royal flush, there would be no way of folding that hand.
I disagree with the comment on the turn raise. To me, the bet on the flop by villain was just a probe bet. He succeeded by getting two players out of the pot. His relativly high bet on turn oftentimes is just the attempt to get rid of the last one w a mediocre hand. Remember: He should continue w 70% of his hands and a bluff-value rate of 1:1. So his folding rate is about 50% already. I need to win the pot on the flop only 25% of the time, without calculating extra money going in on the river. That reraise to me is ok, although the thought process probably not. And preflop its a fold.
how unfair is it that there are players at 25/50 that make such beginner mistakes like this and there are players at 100x lower that this that cant get out of their limits when they play so much better than this???
+Neil Jerzynek Its a great hand, because it is great to learn from, so that you dont make the same mistakes, which Niels did in this hand. The really big mistake is the turn raise, because its so expensive, and its just never going to get any folds. The betsizing is the big red flag here. Because what kind of hands would bet really small on the flop but strong on the turn? The obvious answer is hands, that had some value on the flop and might have folded to a raise there, but which improved on the turn to something much stronger. Could be something like QT, which improved from middle pair to two pair. Could be J9, that improved to a straight. Or maybe - and perhaps most likely as the river played out - 98 of clubs, which improved from a weak pair with a flushdraw to a flush.
Float flop to steal club turns with the Ac is a standard play given this board. We hold the Ac and there's KcQc board...even if he has 9 high flush on the turn, it's a disgusting spot to get your stack in given the action. He has 0 value hands on that turn given our Ac blocker, we could do this all day long vs this villain and turn a strong profit. I would NOT do this vs fish or thinking LAG players tho.
i usually can relate to hero's thought process in these types of videos, but this one i couldnt. hero is the type of idiot i lose to when i play. plays like a complete moron with extremely stupid/unprofitable plays but runner runners the nuts. makes me sick.
I really think you should review hands that a decent player made mistake or just wants a review on the hand. This call preflop would only be made by a weak weak weak gambling player and I dont think people wanna see that. This guy is just bad. Hell, I'm not an ivey millionaire but I would never in my life call with ca hands like this. It's either squeeze or fold. This dude's plays are just a joke and his reasonings are even more of a joke.
First, please be kind towards hero in these hands. You know hero is going to watch this video, and how would you feel if people were bashing you in the comments? Second, it's important to review all kinds of mistakes made by all sort of players at all sorts of limits. Sometimes a player doesn't even recognize a mistake until it's pointed out in a video like this...and that's OK.
The Poker Bank I would not be offended if people bashed me if I called A4o OOP and then called flop bet on KQx JUST to hit a backdoor. Pls bash the hell out of me. Also I see your point, you are right:)
The Poker Bank he should be bashed. If he's that tinder then poker isn't the game for him in the first place, and being bashed let's him know how god-awful this hand was played almost every step of the way. The player should know exactly how bad this line and his reasoning were so he doesn't have any misgivings about any part of this line being acceptable in the future. As long as there aren't any below-the-belt personal attacks the hero here needs a heavy drenching of very child water. Sometimes that's the best thing.
LMAO at "good price on my backdoor flush draw".
dam was expecting jack clubs on river
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soild reg and hero more like donk n fish
"I was getting a good price.." XD okay, 4.1% chance to make a backdoor flush and he just has the Ace.
He has at best 12% equity to even improve.
I will only call backdoor flushdraw potential to constant bluffers, and regs I know have sets or stronger and/or will call even if the board becomes wet/draw heavy.
He's got around 4.14% to make his backdoor Flush Draw which would require pot odds of 1 to 23.15 and that doesn't even take into account potential Turn bets he has to call. But sure he is getting a GREAT PRICE :) :)
I think the odds are even lower. Post flop there are three clubs showing, assume 4 clubs were dealt in the other 16 card, leaving 6 clubs in the deck. That would put the odds for a run of flushes at 3% (6/31 * 5/30). Basically 1 to 33 pot odds?
I think the odds are even lower. Post flop there are three clubs showing, assume 4 clubs were dealt in the other 16 card, leaving 6 clubs in the deck. That would put the odds for a run of flushes at 3% (6/31 * 5/30). Basically 1 to 33 pot odds?
Villain had j & 9 or A & J. With Jack being a club. Hero got damn lucky
Hi,
Ok, so I have a question here.
We work out the break even at say 62% as an indication of how many folds we require.
Roughly, If we needed say 20% folds, yes that would be good. Or If say we needed 90% folds yes that would be bad. But 62%, or numbers around this figure?
What are you to do with this this number? I guess that most people in this position would just hum and ha with a wet finger up in the air but would that really help them?
Would it not be better to work out a range of hands with combos for and against w.r.t. the 62%?
I don't mind reviewing hands that have small or big mistakes in them. I think you can always improve you skill in every hand history. There are standard plays with different hands, of course, but you can do mental exercizes with other parts of your range in the exact spot.
100% Agreed!
I know I'm long after the video, but if I'm in the position of the hero on the flop I'm not thinking about the back-door flush, I'm thinking about running a bluff on any club. We know Villain can't have the nut flush, so depending on our image (I usually play tight-aggressive) we can convincingly run a lone-Ace bluff.
But folding the flop is the best play here.
Not if u called a 150 pre flop raise then face a 100 flop raise. Thats too profitable to fold
Just lucky fish
Hero should go back to the basics and lean how much chances he has to get a backdoor flush, because he clearly doesn't get the pot odds to call... if he thinks his ace in an out, ok in that case.
And how can you call someone solid reg when he mini bet the flop?
a backdoor flushdraw with only 1 holecard I am never chasing
Im never calling a 4 off in the small blind with a raise behind me
If I also have 3 cards in a row for a good backdoor straight, or two overcards on a board with only a few draws, I think it's good enough to raise as a semibluff.
This board is not good for the situations obviously, but you need to think about how you'll have enough bluffs in your range when the flop comes pretty dry. Backdoors plus overcards help you to even out that bluff raising range out of position, and your continuing range when you aren't the preflop raiser.
@@DrasticKDescription agreed, biggest mistake of all here was preflop by far. People should just learn to play 3b/fold from the SB until they can win consistently at medium stakes and not get fancy.
do you think hero mite fold out some top pair may 2 pair hands on turn with the nut flush blocker? you didn't mention this in the video was just curious if that may make the raise bluff more plus ev
If we are going to believe that "SOLID REG" is a solid reg, AxJc is then the only hand that makes sense IMO.
In other words, HERO got extremely. Not only did he ace the turn & river, but also that VILLAIN had the only hand he would BET-CALL river with against the weird line HERO took.
I would fold this hand preflop as well, need minimum AJ to call this...
J Ma that's why u can't play poker
Oh Niels...
I would never call to make a back-door flush. Am I missing something?
it's actually not a terrible idea in this spot if hero has some more thought behind it. A reasonable (tho amitious) though process would be "I'm calling with the back door flush draw because I have the Ac in my hand. If a club comes on the turn I can rep the crap out of the flush as a bluff because the villain can't have the nuts so with enough pressure he should fold most of his range". it's not a bad idea, honestly I might run the same play in this spot depending on who the villain is, we are getting a sick price after all...
That he go very very lucky is an understatement.any naked As in the small blind is a terrible play.Especially if it is not suited I even dump this As on the button., But there at least you see what everyone does before it gets to you.!But count your blessing that day an angel was sitting on your shoulder!
What hand this guy call check-raise on the river?? J9 with J of clubs maybe?
AxJc, that cbet the flop and bet bigger OTT cuz he got excited. Jc9x is possible too. Along with JJ and 99 with a club. There's 14 combos right there. Possible he could be calling wider too maybe talk himself into thinking you're bluffing with that x/r binding bet thing OTR. 🤷♀️ it happens sometimes especially with a bluffy image.
IF you decide to stay in the hand and you see that flop, there is no way I would fold unless a pair appears on the board, but the possibility of a royal flush, there would be no way of folding that hand.
"You should fold the flop. But I would have folded for a buck 50 rather than a buck 45...."
I disagree with the comment on the turn raise. To me, the bet on the flop by villain was just a probe bet. He succeeded by getting two players out of the pot. His relativly high bet on turn oftentimes is just the attempt to get rid of the last one w a mediocre hand. Remember: He should continue w 70% of his hands and a bluff-value rate of 1:1. So his folding rate is about 50% already. I need to win the pot on the flop only 25% of the time, without calculating extra money going in on the river. That reraise to me is ok, although the thought process probably not. And preflop its a fold.
What do you mean how "25/50...which equates to about 5/10"? 25/50 is 25/50, no?
it's 25dkr/50dkr, which is a different currency that equates to roughly $5/$10
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You're very welcome!
This is the kind of succes that can lead to bad decisions in other hands.
Jack of clubs on the river makes what?
how unfair is it that there are players at 25/50 that make such beginner mistakes like this and there are players at 100x lower that this that cant get out of their limits when they play so much better than this???
you totally slagged it off but said thanks for the great hand???
Neil Jerzynek yup. Thanks for the great comment!
+Neil Jerzynek Its a great hand, because it is great to learn from, so that you dont make the same mistakes, which Niels did in this hand.
The really big mistake is the turn raise, because its so expensive, and its just never going to get any folds. The betsizing is the big red flag here. Because what kind of hands would bet really small on the flop but strong on the turn? The obvious answer is hands, that had some value on the flop and might have folded to a raise there, but which improved on the turn to something much stronger.
Could be something like QT, which improved from middle pair to two pair. Could be J9, that improved to a straight. Or maybe - and perhaps most likely as the river played out - 98 of clubs, which improved from a weak pair with a flushdraw to a flush.
Float flop to steal club turns with the Ac is a standard play given this board. We hold the Ac and there's KcQc board...even if he has 9 high flush on the turn, it's a disgusting spot to get your stack in given the action. He has 0 value hands on that turn given our Ac blocker, we could do this all day long vs this villain and turn a strong profit. I would NOT do this vs fish or thinking LAG players tho.
i usually can relate to hero's thought process in these types of videos, but this one i couldnt. hero is the type of idiot i lose to when i play. plays like a complete moron with extremely stupid/unprofitable plays but runner runners the nuts. makes me sick.
Bad reg. Probably had nothing....lol
Hero has QJc
A queen of clubs was on the flop.
These (for me high) stakes and such weak plays?! o.O
I really think you should review hands that a decent player made mistake or just wants a review on the hand. This call preflop would only be made by a weak weak weak gambling player and I dont think people wanna see that. This guy is just bad. Hell, I'm not an ivey millionaire but I would never in my life call with ca hands like this. It's either squeeze or fold. This dude's plays are just a joke and his reasonings are even more of a joke.
First, please be kind towards hero in these hands. You know hero is going to watch this video, and how would you feel if people were bashing you in the comments?
Second, it's important to review all kinds of mistakes made by all sort of players at all sorts of limits. Sometimes a player doesn't even recognize a mistake until it's pointed out in a video like this...and that's OK.
The Poker Bank I would not be offended if people bashed me if I called A4o OOP and then called flop bet on KQx JUST to hit a backdoor. Pls bash the hell out of me. Also I see your point, you are right:)
Let's not talk about dying please. High road.
The Poker Bank he should be bashed. If he's that tinder then poker isn't the game for him in the first place, and being bashed let's him know how god-awful this hand was played almost every step of the way. The player should know exactly how bad this line and his reasoning were so he doesn't have any misgivings about any part of this line being acceptable in the future. As long as there aren't any below-the-belt personal attacks the hero here needs a heavy drenching of very child water. Sometimes that's the best thing.
The Poker Bank
Every hand is useful.
OK the pre flop play is terrible but one can get insight from the post flop decisions.
Keep on the good work.