Why Russian Su-35 Fighter Jet Downing In Ukraine War Has A Lesson For Xi Jinping's China
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- Опубликовано: 2 июн 2024
- Ukrainian forces have reportedly shot down a Russian Su-35 fighter jet on April 3. A video showing the Russian jet also known as Flanker E in flames, plummeting from the sky, has gone viral. Ukraine claimed the Su-35 was shot down near Kharkiv by its anti-aircraft missile forces. The reported downing of a Sukhoi-35 by Ukraine could have important tactical lessons for the Chinese military. China holds the world’s second largest fleet of the fighter jets after Russia.
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0:00 - INTRODUCTION
0:39 - RUSSIAN SU-35 GOES DOWN
1:41 - FEATURES OF SU-35
2:16 - WHY HAS THE CRASH IN UKRAINE WORRIED CHINA ?
3:10 - RUSSIAN JETS IN CHINESE ARSENAL
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Losing experienced pilots can be a greater blow to the military than losing the actual aircraft.
I think the pilot learned his lesson.
@Frog Universe Well he is more experienced now than he was before, so....a win? haha!
@@softnest I don't know if it's the pilot from this plane, but one downed Russian pilot shot and killed the farmer who apprehended him. How he is still alive is beyond me; his Ukranian captors must have great restraint - it's not like the pilot ever had a chance of escaping, so shooting the first civilian that approaches him is more like brazen murder than warfare.
@@softnest. Not so at this point I mean not the pilot.. he was just following orders.. he knew his fate by chance given was50:50% fortunately he survived. By word is that Sukhoi the planemaker is the one partially should have learned its lesson but not the pilot.. the question is how can a manpad missile launcher downed this sophisticated Sucker-hoi 35.??
Fact!
I have a feeling the author doesn’t have a clue what he’s talking about. First of all, when showing the Chinese jet, he shows a domestically produced J-10 instead of a Su-35. He also insinuates that after the crash, China stopped buying more Su-35s.
In reality, China only bought the Su-35s in first place to get access to their newer AL-41 engines. Before then, Russia would only sold them older AL-31 Saturn engines found in older Su-27 and Su-30 fighters.
China originally purchased both planes from Russia and even had a contract to domestically manufacture the former. However, they ended up canceling that contract and making their own copy, the J-11. They even bought a Su-33 from Ukraine to copy and make the J-15 carrier based aircraft.
Therefore it was because of this history of copying and reverse engineering Sukhois that Russia refused to just sell the AL-41 engine and instead forced China to buy a large batch of Su-35s. They knew China would just copy the engine but were desperate for money so got the best deal they could
Dang... impressive information.
@@jamescarroll0615 yeayea Will I also mean !! Sooo Much !!!
@@jamescarroll0615 and soooo Much spoooot on and on !!- and never stop!!
This is for Indian to be informed. This will make them happy for the day. Tomorrow is another day for them to relax, telling their family and friends.
It is a war, failures are bound to happen ,
Western countries are spreading there propaganda.
If they had any balls they would not have cut russia from the media.
Ukraine is getting weapons from the western countries.
It's not Ukraine against russia,
It's russia against the whole western world.
Machine failures are normal,
Had there been any Ukrainian casualties with western weapons or tanks or aircraft, would they run a news headlines about that.
I am supporting no one but its all started due to NATO only, Nato is to be blamed.
One day they will also get to taste their own medicine, only time will tell.
After China , now few people believe in what America or western countries say.
Bidden is focused on capturing weapon markets, that's it.
5 everyday please.... Thx from Poland 🇵🇱👍🇺🇦
Great shot keep it up Ukrainians! We are with you. United States of America 🇺🇸
MYOB at home...
Russia: this jet was not downed, it did a "Special Landing Operation"
Ha ha ha,,cry Putin,,xi Jing ping is the next .
LOL!!!!!!
It is a vertical landing then poor gasoline on it.
Ha.The crew were ok as long as they had a bottle of Vodka to drink at moment of impact.
It did denazification of the ground there.
Egypt cancelled buying more su-35. Indonesia, Malaysia feel happy with the news after drop buying su-35s
It's because of CAATSA.
@@Pol66590 yup. Egypt is gonna hand them over to Iran now
Hopefully the disastrous invasion of Ukraine has made China think twice about the likelihood of success of a long-distance amphibious landing on Taiwan. Especially considering Taiwan's advanced weaponry, nearly perfect mountainous defensive positions, and defense treaties with other nations. It would make a lot more sense for China to recognize Taiwan as a sovereign nation and work to bring the two closer together culturally and economically. Rather than start a pointless war that results in tens of thousands of deaths or many more.
Nope Supreme leader Xi or whatever his name is thinks he's a God, his pride and ego will lead to war 100%
You mean as Iraq? Or Afgan? Choose yourself
@@MrJonasinfinity what? Are you a bot?
disaster? look at hitlers first year he seemed to lose too this has been planned by china and russia first china bio war weaken all then psycodwarfs hellnation..WE MUST DESTROY ST PETERSBURG AND ALL POETIN HUNT HIS OFFSPRING HIS BXTCH LETS GIVE EM SOME TSECH TRAITORS HE WE OVERATE THAT CRIMINAL .THE WEST IS GUILTY HELL DE EU PRODUCES ZYKLON B IN BELGIUM NOW PAYING AGAIN FOR GENOCIDE ALL EU LEADERS MUST STAND TRAIL..OH TURN YOUR GAS OF AND BLOW UP URE STINKING CARS..EU SUPPORT GENOCIDE AGAIN UK IS WORSE
No way. A war is for sure if Taiwan goes for independence. China would take the cost
Russia still has a "whole force" doctrine, rather than separate branches of the armed forces. As a result, the generals see their aircraft as flying artillery. Due to military-technology based embargos since the 2014 annexation of Crimea, Russia has been forced, due to the cost of precision munitions, into using increasingly more 'dumb bombs' - a role the Su-35 was never really designed for. This tactic exposes the Su-35 to similar AAA threats as the Su-25s have been facing. A crazy use of what should be a true multi-role fighter.
I swear Russia military doctrine is very stingy and tight. Even when they bring in their best gear, they dont use them for what they are intended for. It was obvious that Russia needed to adopt a "Desert Storm" like operation but instead went ahead with 1940's tactics.
@@icysaracen3054 But desert storm tactics are impossible in this theatre. The biggest mistake from my point of view was assumption that Ukraine will not fight after a fast incursion and show of force. It looks like full strategy was based on this and it backfired badly.
@@jedrekfurman3040 how would it be? If Russia had the capabilities of gaining air superiority first and striking their grounded aircraft and munition bunkers and then slowly bring in the tanks with ground troops to deter Anti tank units, they would have defeated Ukraine easy (though they would struggle with occupation)
@@icysaracen3054 Totally different battlefield. Iraq was playground for tanks and air force for miles, miles and miles... US could roll on for hundreds of miles without any fear of being ambushed. Long distance give huge advantage for technical superiority, it is still good at closer ranges but much less. Ukraine is full of smaller and bigger forests, more small villages, towns, bridges... To be fair if you look into it Russia kind of tried it, but without full blown air bombardment, they sent columns to achieve strategic points, but holding supply lines turned to be impossible... There could be RPG team beside every turn. As I said, I think that this invasion was based on assumption that key points will be taken quickly and Ukrainians will be overpowered and surrender or even join Russian forces. I think Russian command was to confident and took poorly calculated risk. Lack of full scale air bombardment for me is a clear sign that they wanted to go in clean without unnecessary casualties and keep the infrastructure intact, again that just what I think and might be wrong.
And add to that Russian forces don't have clear technical superiority like US over Iraq
The SU-35 did still manage to destroy a Ukrainian surface to air missile by ramming it.
Hahaha, good point.
Yeah these are the modern day suicide airplanes
Hahahahahaha well said.
😂
So China is capable of destroying 24 SAM missiles, but we have 25 of them: PANIC!!!!
Lesson: don’t invade other countries period
It worked for the USA. Look at Iraq! A stunning victory.
@@peace-now invasion is different from liberation, it returned into a democratic gov't...
Are you telling usa
@@sunny94560 hoooohohooo
@@legend9805 Everyone
The world learned how effective shoulder fired Stinger missiles are against aircraft when we gave them to the rebels in Afghanistan. I've read that our own Air Force was surprised and changed their tactics to no more low level missions. Now there are systems much more effective than the Stingers.
Would be interesting to know which weapon system downed it, maybe it was the Starstreak system.
@@BVargas78 I have no idea, but they are effective.
Who are 'we"?
who is we in this communication
Russia was my enemy in first Lebanon war when in duty but never fought them.
Russia: "Can we order more parts to SU-35 from China?"
China: "We order them from Ukraine"
Russia: "oh..."
China Catalogue: "Correction; Side #21 is numbered #23 should be #24. Thank you, thank you."
OOPS !
@ProCarpet&UpCleanPlus ProCarpet&UpCleanPlus I believe one of the reasons for Russia's failed advances in Ukraine is due to reliance on Chinese tires. The West greatly benefits from Russian and Chinese corruption at the expense of their military readiness.
Maybe one day they'll understand the advantages of a free market and treating people better .
Russia has not been made the "enemy no. 1" because of its war machines being inferior. In many ways some Russian weapons are decades ahead of the western ones. Russia's decision to fight a conventional war is the problem for Russia. On the other hand Russian Su-35, if it was indeed shot down, was shot down with s300, not with patriots. Patriots can't catch upto a Su-35, and Su-35 is not made for evading radar, it was made to outrun western ADSs.
Experience and flying hours of the fighter pilots really matter.
Not so much anymore. A child with an advanced AI rocket launcher can destroy any aircraft.
@@robc3863 you could not be more wrong. First there's no such thing as an advanced ai rocket launcher and manpads have very limited range. If it was trivial to shoot down a fighter jet with manpads the US would have lost many of them in the last two decades.
@@brianb7388 in your opinion? The NLaw uses AI, so does the Thales hypersonic missile made in the UK, flies at near match 4...there are many more with AI being tested and released, early days but look how Russia lost although with superior man and tank power.
I wonder what caused it maybe over burning the engine. Or something like that...
Ur comment has nothing to do with the aircraft being targetted
Even with open sky in Ukraine, the Russian air force is pitifully losing aircraft. Russia and Putin: YOU BETTER SURRENDER NOW!
Nation that has nukes and can hit any spot on the planet with them most likely will not surrender... Hopefully there will be dialog and war can come to an end.
Yikes so.cringe
@@juanwick2726 so.wrong
Thank you for your comment Mr Zelensky.
They need to tmprove avoidance techniques, especially heat signatures and reliable decoy flares/chaff, and electronic counter measures, and special procedures for non- stealth aircraft...
"China will need to improve maintenance."
China's response:
Excuse me, but what is "maintenance?"
Communist made fighter jets don't require maintenance
"Hi errr can we return all that stuff we bought, it's kind of, errr, you know...."
Ha ha ha ha
Maintenance is when you actually use the spare parts on the aircraft to keep it operational instead of selling them on the Russian black market.
@@amorbarella6020 ,x,,d so . .
The interesting feature of that picture is that the aircraft clearly descended flat but vertically, with no significant forward speed. Presumably stalled and stayed that way.
I was wondering about that. I couldn't figure out how the plane could be recognizable as a plane on the ground. Stalling and vertical drop. Thank you.
Because the aircraft fell like a leaf from a tree after the pilot ejected. It did not have high airspeed. Its impact force was applied directly flat into the ground which is why it looks like it does. Its no mystery.
Looked pretty blurry and unfocused. I can’t even tell if it’s an aircraft falling out of the sky. Any other video of this from another angle. Possibly a flat spin
It is a RC plane/model!
It was probably in a flat-spin.
God please have Ukraine Justice and PEACE. Let People of the world Be RESPECTFUL and NOT WAR
Yay and glad they detained that pilot! Go Ukraine! 🙏🏼🇺🇦❤️🇺🇸
What happened to air superiority? Stinger only cost $38000. and it defeated a $85 million jet.
What a freaking embarrassment. LOL
Like anything, it has its advantages and disadvantages. Thick tangerine peel with sharp nails😂😂😂
honestly stinger is only useful against helicopters. Most jets downed in Ukraine were shot down with good old SAM systems like Tor, Osa, Buk, S-300
Air superiority doesn't mean you get rid of every single stinger, that's called victory if you can eleminate every soldier that can hold a stinger. Lol.
OOPS !
Why would any country buy weapons from Russia after seeing their tanks in action? 🤦
The jets is being shot before landing i saw an video about it
The disassembled Russian Steel, aluminium and copper is now a Ukrainian strategic reserve, aka scrap metal.
They need them for the military parades.
Like what t 64 and t 72
Because they are also mostly a dictatorship....why else would anyone be "frenemies" with Russia and China
The lesson for China is, to keep its soldiers out of foreign countries unless they were invited.
Bravo Ukraine! Long live Ukraine, its fighters and people 🙏
Nice JOB Ukraine!!!! BRAVO!!!
At 2:52, experts say flying at low altitude makes jets more vulnerable to anti aircraft weapons. Do you REALLY need an expert to figure that out?!
Ukrainian shooting down
clickbait title what do you expect and why would china be worryed for that matter ? They want Taiwan unlike Ukraine Taiwan is an island. If they get the same situation with nobody joining the war but sending weapond do you expect leting anyone just sailing into a warzone and deliver weapons? Even the US lost planes and tanks with next to total supremecy in most of their operations. People should be more worryed if modern air defences can not shoot down some planes.
@@saschawagner5167 facts!!
By experts, they meant Wat Thunded players
What goes up must come down. Especially in the Ukraine!
If Chinese military equipment is as reliable as all Chinese products on our store shelves, they pose no threat.
Not new, even the stealth aircraft of the US was shot down in Yoguslavia. Any aircraft is not invincible no matter how advance its tech.
1 F-117 was shot down in that conflict that we know about, 1 in about 2000 sorties. Good thing for china they are not making knock off migs!
Cz humanity is weak in defence missiles is one of the only thing which advanced humanity in offensive weapons the only reason why these aircrafts r expensive is cz of their speed armaments maneuvers etc
True, but it's a game of percentages. Stealth aircraft will get knocked down, but at a much lower rate than other aircraft. And even the non-stealth inventory of the US gets knocked down at a lower rate. Probably because of training, and warning systems built into the aircraft.
Yep, 1 or 2. Ukrainian have 100+ score
But only one and on the remains of the aircraft there are no characteristic holes from striking elements. Most likely, the F-117 itself fell, but the American command decided that it was better to recognize the plane as downed. The bombing continued for several more weeks and there were no more downed "invisibles".
China brought 24 Russian Su-35? that's for research and development,
there is no way to be used for the airforce with only 24 Russian jets.
Reverse engineering, anyone?
@@nevillec5252 “Where there are three people, there must be my teacher。”
--- Confucius ----
This war tells me that their weapons are not at all what they where hyped up to be. And everyone that bought them is taking notice.
Yes in certain situations they may be fine weapons. But not this one.
Someone is in trouble.
Some buyers might be checking their T&Cs to see if they can get a refund. 😂
Yes...F35 American jet recently drowned in south china Sea..😆😆😆
@@varunsingh.varunsingh It's true that even the "super advanced" F-35 isn't all it's cracked up to be either. And yet that jet will end up costing US taxpayers $1.7 trillion. Biggest waste of our money ever.
@@varunsingh.varunsingh better than being shot down but yeah I got your point
I'm glad to see that the pilot bailed out and was not hurt.
The “Made in Russia” logo stuck on military equipment to arms dealers must now be as bad as bad as the “Made in China” logo is to the rest of us.
Or, back in the day, "electronics by Lucas". 😱
Russia already lost a lot of sales after Operation Desert Storm. Western equipment is better and Chinese equipment is cheaper.
@@orlock20 💯 agreed, like a good many from China is no quality cause they wants to selling more but bad 😢😂
@@orlock20
So true.. sometimes it depends on the person handling and using it.
@@KayBeeJaebeom94 You live under rocks. Chinese produce decent quality goods with reasonable prices. Without goods from China, where ever you are ( under the rocks) would have a worst standard of living!! Be real.
While the SU35 is considered an advanced aircraft, Russian has not been arming them with precision munitions and instead relying on "dumb" unguided weapons which require the pilot to fly much lower.
It is due to the shortage of precise ammunition.
It's because they can't afford to use their inventory up in Ukraine, they have three other areas they have to contend with, northern Europe facing NATO, eastern Russia facing Japan/South Korea and SE Asia facing Maoist China. Contrary to what you been seeing, the Stalinist Russians and Maoist Chinamen don't trust one another no further then they can throw one another.
They have to fly lower cause of Air defense.
4, This particular aircraft was on a Suppression of Enemy Air Defense (SEAD) mission. The electronic warfare pods can be seen on the wingtips and what looks like a Kh-31 anti radar missile is lying under the wing. These two things are only carried by aircraft going after surface-to-air missile (SAM) sites. The Kh-31 IS a precision guided munition, homing in on a radar that's transmitting. SEAD missions are the most dangerous missions on the modern battlefield because you offer yourself as a target in order to get the enemy to turn on their radars and shoot missiles at you. When the enemy does shoot at you, you locate and shoot at them and hope you are quicker on the draw and your missile hits them before their missile hits you. When the U.S. started doing SEAD missions in Vietnam with 19 special modified F-105s, every single American SEAD aircraft was shot down. You must practice SEAD mission A LOT to get it right. The Russian Air Force does NOT practice SEAD missions very much. SEAD aircraft are meant to attack radar guided missile sites and are pretty much helpless against heat seeking shoulder fired missiles when they fly at low altitude, with flares as their only defense.
@@Ari_hunter_. Fed up of similar lame ole excuses by butt-hurting 5th grade Russian trolls. Literally these sukhoi's nor mig fighter's were best only for entertaining spectators at major airshow events.
Any country having these FighterJets are already F***** Up..
Thanks crux just shows you that anything is vulnerable!!!!
In the 70's, the Fox Bat MIG was feared by the west until a Soviet pilot defected giving us one to analyze up close. The first thing they noticed was rust around the rivets. There were many features that made it a formidable aircraft but it's weight limited it to a very tight operational range. This one thing cancelled the other pros.
It had good operational range, so good that there were reconnaissance versions of it. What let it down was tactics, its not machines but humans that win the war, if machines were to win the war then Ukraine would have been captured days ago.
Mig-25 was an interceptor and not a dog fighter, it was means to go high, go fast and intercept incoming bombers from nato, it wasnt meant to dog fight F-15 and F-16 which happened in middle east.
But the control panels looked positively ancient in comparison to western fighters at the time. Russian aircrafts were always less advanced than their Western counterparts simply because their best engineers and scientists are all in the West,just like now when most of the young tech savvy Russians are fleeing abroad since Russia is now returning to the bad old days of the Soviet Union!
@@eyeofthetiger6002 Russians always had minimalistic mentality. They would make something that functions with minimal complexity. In USSR there was not shortage of brilliant engineers.
@@hp2084 you're right Russia has always been blessed with brilliant scientists but the problem is with the political/economic system. Russia has to decide which economic model it wants to follow because so far neither communism nor mafia style economics have served it very well and because of this it will never be able to compete with the West or even China(whereby the best Chinese scientists would train in the West but return to China to make good their training),when it comes to opportunities to further their careers.
Unfortunately like everything in life shortcuts aren't always possible and the shortage of funds will show up eventually and this war is a perfect example of that;Russia is enduring such heavy losses it didn't anticipate due in large part because the Ukrainians are not only more motivated because they are defending their homeland but largely because they are being armed with some of the latest weapons from the West,plus the fact that many of Russia's fighting equipment are badly maintained or simply obsolete when coming up against NATO'S finest!
rust? oxidation perhaps. and who's ''us''
One Su 35 costs around US$85 million. How many MANPAD devices can buy for that amount?
Taiwan - the hedgehog island bristling with tens of thousands of anti air, anti ship missiles to inflict massive costs in gear and military on China.
If a unifying war comes to Taiwan, all missile batteries on the island will be wiped out! Civilians will be at the receiving end if peaceful negotiation is impossible!!!
9k38 Igla / SA24 cost about $80,000. Usually launcher and 5 missiles. Stinger is around $110,000. You get a lot shots for $85 million.
This is so true. The Ukraine war has shown that anti aircraft and anti tank missiles are an effective deterrent.
God Bless Ukraine!! AMÉN
Tanks, aircraft carriers, aircraft and many other conventional weapons seem to be obsolete compared to drones and missiles. Their only importance will be when/if an army runs out of missiles.
You need a good satellite system and good radar
It's fascinating how effective drones are turning out to be.
Respect to the ground fighter with the rocket launcher. Slava Ukraini!
That sorts out terrorists and their weapons.
SLAVA UKRAINI 🇺🇦💪
thank you! UA
UURRRAAAA
LONG LIVE UKRAINE 🇺🇦 💙
Russian hardware is utter garbage and the fact that IAF is also using SU 30 MKI is a matter of concern. In past we had many peacetime accidents related to Russian origin equipments.
mki means it is made in india by hal and its not stealth aircraft it can be shot down.
👍👍👍Ukraine 🇺🇦 🇺🇦 🇺🇦 🙏🙏 .
Go Ukraine 🇺🇦
Putin to Xi: “Pay no attention. It’s fake news.”
Xi to Putin: “Yeah. Right.”
they could actually believe! lol
I vote we send you over there to find out if it's fake!
You can't bluff a bluffer. Despite their friendship i think China is smarter then just eating up everything Russia tells them.
Putin: Xi, you know how we agreed to be "friends without limits"?
XI: Yes?
Putin: Let's get into a hot tub and take group selfies with our shirts off
Xi: Dude..
@@lettucesalad3560- Putin: Sorry Xi, I've put a bit of weight ON, since those horse riding modelling days. That was me going through my 'butch', bi-sexual period - now I'm totally 'out of the closet' but don't feel comfortable with the whole situation. If anything, I feel like Stalin and want to abuse my soldiers, send them in, to invade another Country and die at the hands of my closest advisors... But hey, my mate Trump will help me out... OOPS!
"Suppression of enemy air defense" aircraft got suppressed by enemy air defense,... Isn't that ironic? 😂😂
You live by the sword, die by the sword.
@@CoralSea Amen brother!
Yes, and the tanks were probably ordered to go and take out the anti-tank missiles too!!
@@Paul-dv4dr 😂😂
Well sead has always been one of the most dangerous missions bc by its very nature you'll be making yourself a target.
The more I read/watch testimony from fighter pilots/fighter tactics specialists the more apparent it becomes how utterly useless thrust vectoring is on the modern battlefield. Cool to see, but surprise/stealth is way more advantageous.
The Su-35 is like that guy who does burnouts at the beach on Friday nights to impress the girls but comes last in the race on Sunday. All show and no go.
Even F 15 Strike Eagle was shot down in Gulf War 1! What's so odd?
Russia's performance in this war is just embarrassing and shameful. Objective analysis is needed to sift propaganda from fact though.
آخه کدام تاریخ نوشته که روسیه پیروز شده فقط تجاوزگربودهمیشه هم شکست خوردزنده باداوکراین زنده بادایران مرگ برخامنه ای مرگ برجمهوری اسلامی مرگ برپوتین زنده بادزلنسکی
I disagree, I think we saw a country invade with its largest operational force it can muster and assumed technological advantage against a prepared military with effective defence in depth. It is an unstoppable force against an immovable object. Who can say which way the wind would blow? Attack is always difficult and dangerous, and the Russian strategy was good. A lot of the "mistakes" were either forced by the ukrainians or not mistakes at all but a misinterpretation of the situation.
They could have cleaned house in 5 days if things had even gone slightly differently. The single biggest thing was Zolensky staying. You can't really predict that until you try it. There is probably less than 10% of politicians in the world that would have done that.
agreed
And what's worse is they were more than adequately equipped for total control takeover of Ukraine, but they are just so bad at strategizing and combat they're losing every opportunity. Lol. Slava Ukraini.
Every aggressor has hard time occupying be it america or russia going into the enemy territory always poses logistics problems
Yeah the music was wonderful...not annoying and headache inducing at all.
I wonder how well trained this pilot was before his plane was shot down. I personally feel a highly experienced combat pilot and their maintenance crews are worth more than the jet. Most NATO and JSDF, and ROK air forces have put a very high priority on crew training and reinforcing a culture of safety and responsibility.
Russian pilots fly about half the hours as NATO. $$$$
Starstreak. No infrared makes counter measures almost redundant then you have the ridiculous speed of the projectile.
Comrade, we are performing anti-aircraft suppressi ... OH SHXT, COMRADE !!!
Not just a lesson for China, But perhaps India who's been buying from Russia as well.
India needs to build there own tank. Those Russian tank they have is old
Not SU-35s but SU-30MKI and others. The I at the end signifies that there are mods that are India-specific. But India has fighter jets from Europe too and its latest addition is from France, the Rafale.
@@mohasat01
1.China also modified their 180+ Su-30Mkk
2. how many rafales ? 36 .
While China have their own 72+ J-20s
18+ J-31 And 500+ J-10s ...
So who should worry more ?
India who's more than 70% modern airforce is Russian or China who's hardly 40% modern airforce is of Russian origin
@@darkscorpion5637 They have.
@@ZenG918 You're missing the point? Just because China has a huge fleet means nothing in the Himalayas. They parked them a distance from the border where there was war but India knows their capability in the high Himalayas. They cannot fly fully fuelled and with munitions over the Himalayas because their engines are not powerful enough. ( Even India's indigenous helicopters can fly high into the Himalayas but western helicopters are not generally capable to do that.) Just because China has SU-30KK, so what? does not mean anything. China has to deploy its military at many places where it is facing enemies. India was ready at the LAC when the Chinese attacked but were unceremoniously repulsed - they thought India was going to fold like other small countries that China bullied. But China has no war waging experience. Antagonizing smaller countries with fighter jets is not the same as engaging in a real war. The Rafales, with its no escape munitions and with India-specific modifications are a real challenge to China. And India has the Brahmos, which in its category is the world's fastest supersonic missile that are carried by the SU-30MKI. So, India is prepared for any war against China even if it has superior numbers of fighter jets. Bottom line, China should worry. It was already embarrassed at the last conflict when they were repulsed. They did not specify their losses even though India did at 20 versus about 40 for China. If they attack with fighter jets, they will be put in their place in the Himalayas.
You don;t know at all if it was a SU 35. The remnants are unrecognizible
Ok……..so WHAT THE FREAKING LESSON 🤬🤬
Three cheers for the independent nation of Taiwan! This is good news for them.
Disagree Taiwan will become as part China long term USA is. Not prepared for war with China next generation technology will see Taiwan " dumped bt USA!.
...................... 50 cent army post ................. Mr. Smith is not your real name.
"Super Maneuverable" in my view does not have merit in this scenario. It's a game of "Cat and Mouse". Every measure will have a countermeasure and situational awareness and training are what give the pilot a chance of survival.
Did the pilot survive; bail out? No one has mentioned him, I think.
@@linmal2242 piolet survive and captured by Ukrainian.
Yep... those images of Russian aircraft "dancing" in the skies at airshows won't have the same appeal to buyers going forward. The list of costs to Russia from this adventure just continues to grow.
@@ggaggagga4 Fly F-22 that low with dumb bombs and results will be same. Its tactics that have failed the machines, not that machines are incompetent.
Imagine opening your refrigerator and everything inside is rotten
Another one down keep up the good work
God bless Ukraine families and volunteers 💙 💛
From the fact that this Su-35 is largely intacted I'd guess it was a hit by a MANPADS missile. I think I see one busted KH-31 on the ground under the right wing. He was trolling for targets in the Ukrainian IADS and got popped by a MANPADS. Looks like the jet got slow before the hit, maybe a last ditch missile defense, but still took the hit. It is largely intacted and looks like it hit flat instead of diving into the ground. Most of the other birds downed by MANPADS do the same. The SA-11s and SA-10s tend to blow the target apart. I will say I am pleasantly surprised that the Stingers and Strelas continue to work as well as they appear to be. Also someone pointed out a lot of the more recent videos seem to show Russian birds not deploying IR Flares. Could they be out? Maybe.
The planes defenses may not be detecting the incoming Manpad’s. Ukraine has begun deploying and scoring kills with the Brit Starstreak.
Maybe just didn’t register it coming. It was probably on a seak mission?
That's intact to you?
Flares don't work against stingers.
@@JACKAL747 Means before burning---look at crash outline, it's relatively compact.
What can they learn? That buying garbage gives you garbage.
Great News for everyone
He knows what he’s talking about. America needs a leader like him who can be able to express his opinions and work for the America people. 🇺🇸
, Tiwan is a country
Taiwan is a country
Oh, just shut that hole.
Taiwan is a #2 china
Taiiwan is more culturally Chinese than communist China is.
Seems that tanks, trucks, ships an even jet fighters are now sitting ducks and essentially obsolete .
Stealth Drones equipped with missiles are the way to go.
45th day of the war. April 09, 2022 Losses of the Russian army from February 24 to April 9, 2022, minus: 19,100 people killed, plus about 65 thousand more wounded and maimed (without arms and legs), 151 aircraft, 136 helicopters, UAV 112, air defense systems 55, tanks 705, artillery systems 335, MLRS 108, BBM 1895, cars 1363, ships / boats 7, tanks with fuel and lubricants 76, special equipment 25, launchers of the Iskander OTRK 4. Data on the loss of personnel are approximate, because the exact number of losses is impossible and unrealistic to calculate.
The Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Territorial Defense were ready for this war. This is a war of mind, technology and willpower of military personnel. The time of scrap metal is already in the past, but Russia lives in the past.
Russia has zero chance of success.
Like when the tiny British Fairey Swordfish biplane with a torpedo
crippled the mighty Bismarck battleship
Slava Ukriani, keep at them.
Achievement unlocked: FLY SWATTER.
Many countries who are supplied by Russia, should be having second thoughts on military equipment that is second rate and ineffective. I can see an increasing amount of resignations from military forces in these countries.
When not at war, it's way cheaper to run Russian equipment to keep your army trained. When the war starts, the newest stuff dominates anyway. So having old western equipment only gives you an higher maintenance/running bill...
Nothing Bad. Anything can happen in war. Strategy plays a crucial role. Even if this is only 1 of many fighter jets downed. This is normal. It's just how war works. You don't expect something so advanced to be 100% sure of its capabilities until you test it for yourself and are professional in its fields
sorry but Russia lost more planes in one month then the US did in 20 years of coflicts , why did we not see F 15's dropping like flies lol
Copium is strong here
James Anagnos that’s because the US doesn’t attack people with air forces OR air defense. Remember, the poor man’s air force is a roadside bomb.
@@jamesanagnos6123 Iraq and afghan fighters weren’t supplied with an endless supply of the worlds greatest RPGs in the world either. That makes an enormous difference. This isn’t apples to apples here.
Being completely fair loss of your first jet is the first step to knowing what it really is and it's useless until you know, but usually you want it to take awhile.
If it's brand new and getting dropped by loose tech, then that means whoever has all the reserves of whatever took it down might take down a hundred more of them later
It’s about time
Stinger: we meet again
Russia:😫
Russia not being able to suppress the Ukraine air defenses is a huge liability
It puts their pilots at huge risk.
Actually Russia was capture lots of land of Ukraine.
@@funnymakerboy4199 They should within 96hrs make air superiority count instead last week 2 low flying Ukrainian Helicopters flew into Russian territory & made a hit.
The SU35 has never beaten the J16 in internal military exercises in China, their radar systems are not of the same class, so they only bought 24 SU35🤫
@McFlickers In the right hands of course!
Good job Ukraine.
People around the world have finally seen why Russia has been so proud of its power for the last 30 years. Their weapons and armored vehicles are nothing more than paper tigers, a fact that has become clear to Russian arms buyers around the world today.
Yeah, even Iceland can beat the crap out of Russia.
You're stuck on msm bro. That's just one shot down. How many caps are flown daily? If out of 100 missions, we have 1 shoot down, that's a pretty good stat. Learn to see the big picture. Even the f35s crash without been shot at.
Believe what you want.
Putin has been known to be a great bluffer. From his stories has a KGB, To his climb to power, To this war. He bluffed his way through it all. Impressive and yet so sad.
You don’t need a full Air Force to shoot down those mf, I’m not saying you could win without an AF tho
This war has provided a golden opportunity to test weapons in their armouries.
CHICLAYO PERU 🇵🇪 💪 💪
Very educational.
“What can china learn from Russia’s Su-35 crash?”
Time to buy high quality tech American drones and jet fighters 🤪
Lol high quality American jet can too be shot down by anti craft missile.
@@GamerBoy-tk4vu Go back to the basement junior! Grown ups are talking.
@@GamerBoy-tk4vu it can be but good luck getting a lock
USA doesnt sell American military planes to China.
Like the f 22 that was shot down by a French mirage....so no fighter jet is invincible...also this jet crashed due to a pilot having a ton of vodka...
I think this is a symptom of not having enough precision or accurate weapons in stock. Russian pilots literally have to have visual sight to drop those dumb bombs or unguided rockets on their targets so they have to fly at very low altitudes which makes them more vulnerable to being shot down. Russia doesn't have the military budget to have thousands of precision guided weapons on hand.
That's why you see them dropping dumb bombs all over Ukrainian cities killing innocent people. They can't accurately target the military personnel of Ukraine. Poor training plus poor weaponry begets poor results.
Civilians of Ukraine have been weaponized. They are now part of the military. So, referring to innocent people is in your imagination. Ask Zelensky, soldier of NATO.
This particular aircraft was on a Suppression of Enemy Air Defense (SEAD) mission. The electronic warfare pods can be seen on the wingtips and what looks like a Kh-31 anti radar missile is lying under the wing. These two things are only carried by aircraft going after surface-to-air missile (SAM) sites. The Kh-31 IS a precision guided munition, homing in on a radar that's transmitting. SEAD missions are the most dangerous missions on the modern battlefield because you offer yourself as a target in order to get the enemy to turn on their radars and shoot missiles at you. When the enemy does shoot at you, you locate and shoot at them and hope you are quicker on the draw and your missile hits them before their missile hits you. When the U.S. started doing SEAD missions in Vietnam with 19 special modified F-105s, every single American SEAD aircraft was shot down. You must practice SEAD mission A LOT to get it right. The Russian Air Force does NOT practice SEAD missions very much. SEAD aircraft are meant to attack radar guided missile sites and are pretty much helpless against heat seeking shoulder fired missiles when they fly at low altitude, with flares as their only defense.
@@mohasat01 What a bunch of slop.
Who invaded who?
Cut the kremlin klown show. No one is laughing.
@@mohasat01 um, who's in who's country attacking who? Last time I checked Russia went into someone else's country attacking them. You're damn right people are going to attack them to defend their freedom and their country. Russia's military is showing that if we can't beat your military we will just attack every day citizens who have pistols and normal rifles. Lets attack them with our bombs and missiles since they can't really fight back. Get out of here with that BS that the citizens are weaponized.
Yes, all of those citizens in Ukraine are innocent because they are in their country minding their business regardless of if they are armed or not. You invade someone else's country and expect them to not fight back? They are literally fighting for their lives. What you are saying is insane and arrogant combined.
You might not understand, they are terrorizing the people, breaking morale and making it very painful and expensive to continue. It is quite obvious they aren't remotely considering the lives of civilians. In one report, a Ukrainian soldier explained that Russian artillery would shoot in one direction and end up turning to hit in another direction - literally guided munitions.
You can always replace a jet and ammunition but you can never replace the pilot flying it and the experience they can offer. Still sad no matter the side.
Well done !👍💪💜
What can China learn from this incident?
Don't bully your neighbors.
China can also learn that the NATO expansion in the last 20 to 30 years couple with unwise politicians in Ukraine will produce a war 😊.
@@gwo-shyanhan1188
What's China gotta do with NATO's expansion in Europe? If anything, China's unprecedented territorial takeover & bullying has given its neighbors an idea to get together to form an alliance (just like NATO) in order to counter it. There were rumors of the US starting an alliance with India & Australia to combat China's belligerence in the region. That's also a great idea.
@@raugasai9135 if you read about the Korean war, what the military industrial complex had been having in mind, I think the only thing China could learn from such a alliance is that the technology has changed and perhaps more fanciful words used nowadays, the principle is more or less the same to contain Red China 😂. Nothing new about that principle, an extension of cold war mindset.
It's not a one sided fight . Ukraine is using anti aircraft missiles which is highly advanced . You can't fight if you don't want to loose your military assets .
Lol not true Ukraines ground to air systems are very old tech. There best is the S300 and the Manpads stingers etc. Russia should have been able to gain control of the skies.. America went up against Iraq who had 25x more S300 systems and they controlled the skies in under 3 days.
@@Conan-ny1um America failed in Afghanistan
@@GamerBoy-tk4vu America crushed Afghanistan! Killed 300thosands Terroists and there was no attacks on the americans for 16mths until Biden pulled the troops out. So don’t be stupid the Taliban hid behind woman and children to survive..
@@GamerBoy-tk4vu Completely different type of War sorry Special Operation, not enough Afghans fought for their freedom but they were terrorised by the Taliban so hard to blame them
China looking at all their military equipment and thinking “OMG everything we have is trash”!!!! 🤣🤣
I'm curious as to why most of these jets are "pancaking" into the ground and not nose diving? I've been on site of a private plane crash and the crate was big.
An SU-35 also has a huge infrared signature that allows heat seeking missiles that descriminate between flares and exhaust heat to go for the fighter and ignore the flares.
and the Russians are flying their jets at dangerously low altitude to hit targets, because their weapons have poor directional control
Its an issue with most Soviet/Russian jets, they never really got to reducing infrared signature, the engines glow like its a space shuttle launching.
@@greg1046 This will be great. If Ukraine has any jets, they will lure the Russian jets near Ukraine's ground defense.
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@@govinda102000
The issue is the Ukrainian air force also uses Russian jets and would have similar issues. They have no experience with western jets so we can't just give them ours. And we can't train them to use ours because that takes a lot of time to do.
The fact of the matter every nation that designs, manufacture and deploy sophisticated jets and tanks need to study and evaluate the results of said equipment in the Ukraine. The ubiquitous use of MANPADs and missiles along with drones is a game changer that has made most tanks and jets obsolete. Hopefully, but not realistically war itself obsolete! Modern war has not only become too mercurial but too expensive as well!
You're wrong in your assertion. It proofs that training is important. If drones were going to be 100% on the battlefield, the US air force would be 100% drones by now.
What does mercurial mean?
@@glorymanheretosleep: the point I’m trying to make is that with the advent of MANPADs and other missile systems, tanks, personnel carriers, planes and other vehicles have become vulnerable. Particularly tanks, like the use of armor in the Middle Ages, have become obsolete as a tactical weapon.
This is a fact modern strategists need to consider in future conflicts.
@@nutzeeer: fast changing,elusive and hard to pin down. Like mercury
yes but war was and is always expensive as hell, but no one give a fuck about it (also the expanses of someone are the enrichment of another... so... war is also a big business).
Good job 🇺🇦
Any stealth aircraft with bay doors open can be locked onto.
Russian military equipment can't be trusted because who knows which parts were substituted to pay for someone's yacht? Evidently there is no quality control at all.
If Russian quality cannot be trusted they won't be exporting them, its not USA where the wall street rules the government, Putin has control over the oligarchs and if they don't listen to him or go against him they are exiled or killed.
Those are Chinese modified Sukhoi tho
LOOK LOW QUALITY RUSSIA WAPONES DESTROY TOTAL UKRAINE 🇺🇦.
@@YourMum105 It will be the rest of the world that sees those prices increase too. The US exports food to many countries. Ukraine was an exporter so the loss of their farming output will also hurt those countries they sold to. The US has a lot of phosphate for fertilizer. It is mined right here in Florida and exported by the shiploads.
@@poulomighoshal3592 Destroying civilians can be accomplished by one asshole with an AK47 try destroying soldiers and see how far you get. Killing civilians is murder not military ability. Never mind we can all see you are just a bunch of murdering thugs and theives.
This is nothing new, jets aren't invincible, it's ridiculous to think downing one Sukhoi will change anything much for China
Plus they have their own Jets now. I just wish they were used for other things than killing people.
Not just china for India also
"With ten crashes, you get egg roll!"
Well these just show that US jets are far more superior than Russian and Chinese made jets. Also poor jets manufacturers other countries might not buy these anymore.
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Lol !
In Vietnam war 12000+ American and Allies aircrafts were shot down.
Russia and China have far better record compare to that.
If you compare the ratio of russian/usa jet downings, Yes. US jets are Superior.
@@ajaykumarsingh702 just eat wow momo bro 😋
@@ajaykumarsingh702 vietnam war?what year?
This is not vietnam war this is Ukraine war and now its 2022
🤣 instead of being a peace loving country they wasted money on weapons. 😱 $50M a plane!
This will be interesting.
Peace Brooo...
It appears that for their first time in combat with opposition threats the Russians are learning that whilst their equipment is no doubt good, their pilots are inexperienced against a modern threat. This is after all the first time they have engaged a combatant that has access to modern AA equipment.
China have not engaged in a real conflict since Korea so they will be looking at the follie of the Russian experience with concern.
This particular aircraft was on a Suppression of Enemy Air Defense (SEAD) mission. The electronic warfare pods can be seen on the wingtips and what looks like a Kh-31 anti radar missile is lying under the wing. These two things are only carried by aircraft going after surface-to-air missile (SAM) sites. The Kh-31 IS a precision guided munition, homing in on a radar that's transmitting. SEAD missions are the most dangerous missions on the modern battlefield because you offer yourself as a target in order to get the enemy to turn on their radars and shoot missiles at you. When the enemy does shoot at you, you locate and shoot at them and hope you are quicker on the draw and your missile hits them before their missile hits you. When the U.S. started doing SEAD missions in Vietnam with 19 special modified F-105s, every single American SEAD aircraft was shot down. You must practice SEAD mission A LOT to get it right. The Russian Air Force does NOT practice SEAD missions very much. SEAD aircraft are meant to attack radar guided missile sites and are pretty much helpless against heat seeking shoulder fired missiles when they fly at low altitude, with flares as their only defense.
China tried to invade Vietnam after the US got kicked out. The Vietnamese trounced them. It was a huge shock to the Chinese government and made them start a military reform program which included the largest demobilisation of troops in a short time span that the world has ever seen. Fewer but better armed and trained was the new policy.
The Chinese served in Iraq that was a war .
@@titanproductions3628 If that's the case where was the wingman? You never run that kind of mission alone.
@@kennethferland5579 I am as shocked as you are, it seems as tho Russia's objective is to get their equipment and soldiers sacrificed rather than flatten Ukraine's city and the citizens entirely, I mean when you think about it, Russia can go in just carpet bomb everything in sight from 80 thousand feet and let the tanks roll in afterwards. just like how the U.S did in Iraq libya Afghan etc... But I'm still mad they didn't carpet bomb everything in sight and now they're just losing and they should just give up cause this is embarrassing and they are wasting money resources and soldiers.
The problem with the Su-35 and the likes of all Russian and Chinese combat planes is the amount of corruption involved, ie: a good percentage of the defense budget goes in someone's pocket and is not spent on weapons, not in developing and improving the weapons package.
YEAH USA IS ABSOLUTELY CORRUPTION FREE🤣🤣🤣
There was a big crackdown on corruption with the navy's stealth bomber program. At least, in the USA, there are crackdowns, congress hearings, people get in jail because of corruption. It seems inefficient, yes. but there are no people jailed for corruption in russia.
Who remembers the $100 an aircraft company charged the US government for a toilet seat back in 1986?
@@faithlesshound5621 $10,000 on the C5 and some other aircraft because the stamping dies are no longer in service or production. They've taken to using 3D printing to make them (and a lot of other non-critical parts)... $300 instead...
@@vigneshd3129 Well, actually, USA is, uh ... sorta ... actually ... OK. Corrupt.