2 weeks into my new BRZ. From a recent Road & Track Article: The BRZ makes everything else on the market today feel like an overcomplicated, over-complex bloatfest.
Pretty well said. A bit more a throwback and more analog/visceral and not as video game-ish as modern cars. It was the flaws of cars of yesteryear like Lotus Elan, several British sportscars from Jag to Triumph to MG including old Corvettes, Alphas, Fiat Spider etc that gave them their character. Perfection as it turns out can be a bit boring aka BMW.
Same here, sounds just fine to me. I'm more shocked at the fact Toyota piped in the fake engine sound in a car like this. I imagine they will remove it altogether in the years to come or at least have a way for us to turn it off.
@@mikea5205 I think it's pretty clear that many manufacturers think "louder = better" even if it's fake sound. Enthusiasts, for the most part, hate the fake sound, which is what the auto makers are failing to acknowledge. On the other hand, if you're driving the car "normally" or just not an enthusiast, you might not care about the fake sound. I'll throw my wife under the bus here and say she falls in this category haha. She thinks her 330i sounds really nice. I will admit, at low RPM the piped-in sound is okay, not offensive, but anything over 4k RPM and it sounds like a video game sound effect. Kinda takes me out of the experience of driving. On the other hand, in my IS 350 I can disable the fake sound, which I do because it's not needed.
Engine sounds through speakers always sound muffled to me. Recording the engine sound and playing it through car speakers(which are from a studio monitor) on top of the actual engine sound is a terrible idea. You'd really need to EQ out a bunch of interfering frequencies to make them stack well. I think it'll get better over time. I bet electric cars will sound cool at some point too.
Oh no I have one, it's very quiet, like yes you can still hear something but it fades away very easily I had to buy a catback to bring the sound back. It's painfully quiet.
You guys turned a normal Q&A video into something so much more. The ending was borderline emotional. Just hanging on the drone shot made me do a quick retrospective about a lot of things. I continue to be impressed, guys.
@@EverydayDriver I would be interested to see a comparison against the first gen BMW Z4 3.0si coupe and the GR86. I know it is an older car but I feel like it would be a good comparison for a used alternative. New car wise there really is not anything else out there besides the Miata, or Fiat 124 Abarth maybe.
If I could break down why I love my GR86 so much it would be this: After owning a GR86 for 3 months, everything else feels heavy, less engaged, and too expensive. Why would I pay more money for less connection.
@Garboi I have a question. So I’m sitting at a red light and let go of the brake, why does it make a quick clunky type noise? It also does it very little when I put into gear. Is it something I should worry about?
@@PeytonLindsay86 I wouldn’t be worried. The first gen was kinda noisy too. We just don’t have much sound insulation since it’s such a light car. As long as there’s no clunks and rattles while driving you are okay. The transmission is just loud in my experience.
well, if your goal is to be a cheap @ss you should have just bought an old used corvette. the GR86 is a great value but dont think it is a cheap car considering they are over 30,000$ out the door and keep in mind if your goal is performance you could have had a brand new veloster N which may not be as fun "subjectively" but will certainly stomp the GR86 on a real track course. the goal here is "compromise" in cost, performance and value.
@@potatochobit but I want a new car. The veloster N (which I heavily considered) costs 33,000 before markup and taxes and fees for the what I want. The GR86 was 30,300 before all of that. Not to mention the Toyota dealership near me does $0 markup. The only place with a velostern N within any reasonable distance to me was $3k over on just a 1.6t r spec. They told me it would be close to 40k for an N. So not only did I save money getting the 86, which I bought cash, I also got a more enjoyable car. I drove a type R which was not as fun as this and couldn’t drift. I can’t find any new rwd car in a good trim level for this price. Also I have seen several blown theta II series engines at my shop and they are not impressive in any regards internally. That’s another thing that pushed me away from the veloster N. The average new price of a car is $47,100. So yeah I’d say it was pretty cheap. Let me know if I misunderstood you. I took what you said as saying the Gr86 is not worth the money, which I disagree with. If you don’t mind used, a C6 is great. But you also have no new features and who knows how it was treated.
@@xx_jason_xx5568 The general rule of thumb for naturally aspirated (NA) engines is 3% power loss for every 1000' of elevation. Turbocharged engines tend to make similar power at elevation as they do at sea level, though at extreme altitude they lose power too.
It takes about 5 minutes to just disconnect the noise generator on your own. You open the passenger door and pop off the side dash cover. Sound box is visible. Reach in and unplug connector. Tape connector to something so it won't rattle. Done. I don't automatically hate sound generators, but this one seemed especially artificial to me and overly loud at high rpm. Engine sound is much better without it.
@@ottoyang9511 The first thing to get rid of is the seat belt chime. It is crazy. PRess start button once, don't start, then put the clip in the socket 20 times in 30 seconds. there after you will get 3 chimes and the light will still come on before you put on the seat belt.
I absolutely love this car. I deliver cars for a living and I see these at the loading yard all the time. you guys got the perfect color and those wheels are beautiful. hopefully in a year or so I'll have exactly the same one.
@@DM-ye9mm I'd say it looks about as good in person as it does in video but yeah it looks great in person. The brz looks kinda weird. The front end is too smiley. I've delivered a few brz and 86 they get sideways real quick if you give them the beans. Really fun to drive
I’ll be honest, at this time, I like the sound activator on mine. But, I’m hard of hearing and it helps me with my shifts because I can hear the RPM’s better. I may turn it off if I add a catback, but, I’m loving the car so far. I have the same exact premium model and color. Your reasons for purchasing this car are the same as mine. Every day I’m actually more excited to drive this car than my previous Porsches. That says a lot.
If I ever get an electric car, I want the sound of George Jetson's car piped in. Concerning winter tires on RWD, I've driven my BMW on Michelin Ice-X tires through snow deep enough that I can hear the snow hitting the belly pan. No issues.
7:55 "and we need to stop equating power numbers with fun" THANK YOU! I couldn't agree more with this. People these days always associate more power for more fun but it's not the case at all. How could you ever enjoy a 800hp car with an automatic on normal roads? You're just gonna go all over the place. It's all about the status quo of saying "yeah it has a lot of hp and goes 0-60 in very few seconds". These aren't real car enthusiast. They're just posers. That's not how we should see fun in cars at all. Just this morning I had an argument with someone who was comparing the Porsche GT3 with the GT2 RS, by telling me that the "GT2 goes faster because it's turboed". I told him that why would you ever need 700hp on a lightweight car?! You'll just spin and oversteer every second. Plus it doesn't have high RPMs and it doesn't have a manual. The GT3 is naturally aspirated, so it revs up to 9000rpm, with 500hp or so, still a lot but way better and more than enough and it has a manual transmission. Just like that, the GR86 is the perfect recipe for fun. Well enough power and good torque distribution, manual transmission and RWD with a diff and perfect weight distribution. I love this car so much.
Totally agree. With these high horsepower typically expensive cars, where are you going to be able to fully ring out the car? The race track maybe, but on the street the most you can experience is raw acceleration. Is that all there is to driving? Hell no. The GR 86 is an aspirational car for myself, something with due time I can afford, and not to far off. Sure a Ferrari is cool, but its it a true driving machine or a status symbol.
Yep, for a large part of the population, non-enthusiasts and enthusiasts alike, the only thing that matters is horsepower and 0-60 times. It is what it is....
@@chady7009 a Ferrari is cool, if it's at least 20 years old! Where they still made naturally aspirated V8s with a manual! Around 400hp is all you needed and they were awesome!
Best part is enjoying all of the rpms at a very low speed. I picked up an ST and gave it a tune to fill in the power and comfort gap. I'm having a really hard time finding something to replace my 86 besides another 86.
I think it sounds so much better now. Why they didn't do that from the factory is crazy. At least put it in the menu like Kia/Hyundai does where you can toggle it off and on. Great info here as always. Love what you guys have done.
Fantastic video! I wish you guys could do more "what a car is like to live with" -like videos. So helpful! More details on cars that are demo'd besides the driving dynamics would help greatly when cross-shopping.
This reminds me of my '87 RX-7, lightweight, rwd, and with 4 Hakka's I was going up and over unpaved, snow covered gaps in VT on the way to skiing. Lightweight and good winter tires are the best combo for winter driving.
My IS300 with LSD and all seasons even handles the snow amazingly. Had it for 6 years and live in the midwest. Like they said though ground clearance of big icy rocks is the only thing to take note of.
i daily my 86 in a near Alpine region which sees a bit of snow in the winter months and even with the shitty old snow tires it worked, sideways but it worked, went to work no problem. my favorite experience was driving to work out of my hood onto the main way where the bus stop is and everyone is waiting for the bus and i turn onto the main road infront of them and the tail end comes lose and i look like an absolute maniac, grinning like the weird cat from alice in the wonderland. i didnt even want to do it but man...those slides are sooo controllable and once it happens i just cant stop grinning.
Yep, drove a NA Miata in the Midwest for years - snow, sleet, freezing rain... drove through it all and always made it to the destination in a reasonable time. Good tires and knowing your vehicle will get you through the almost any situation that most drivers will face. As mentioned, a steep hill that isn't plowed would be a problem, but most people aren't going to be dealing with steep, unplowed hills very often.
Good video. Regarding rev hang - interesting that Todd said the revs don't "linger" because my experience has shown otherwise. When driving around town, especially during the 1-2 shift, the tach needle will literally pause for 1-2 seconds before falling while the clutch is in. Really makes it difficult to drive smoothly unless you slow your inputs down drastically. Not an issue at all when driving flat out, though.
I haven't had this issue at all on my BRZ. I found at first I was leaving my foot on the gas a 1/2 second too long which made it seem like there was rev hang, but after testing and adjusting the issue is gone. Could also just be minor differences car to car though
Thanks for highlighting the fact that it's totally usable with 3/4 persons as long as some of the passengers aren't too tall. I'm tired of hearing "the 2 back seats aren't usable". Having the ability to carry 3/4 persons is a huge feature vs a Miata. It also enables fitting 4 wheels in the trunk, which is extremely convenient (especially if you live in a city where you switch between summer and winter tires every year)
I would love the 86, but can't find one. Some dealers are driving them a couple hundred miles, calling them used and the selling them for 40k. As a MR2 Spyder owner I can attest that there is no correlation between fun-n-power. Great review.
Same haha, got a 1zz in my Spyder. Drove an E90 M3 for a week on vacation and the whole time I couldn't wait to get back to the MR2. I was constantly scared of getting pulled over driving the M3, but with my MR2 I can rev it all the way out and enjoy it without any fear. Slow cars rule!
It was a tough choice between a new GR86 6 speed VS an old 5th Gen Camaro Z/28 with the 7 liter. Ultimately after driving both back to back, the Camaro won me over. I know it's a more expensive car but god damn it is but the most fun on four wheels I've had since the 911 Turbo years ago.
The Z28 is a lot better car. The GR86 gets a lot of hype because it’s under $40k for a RWD, manual sports car, but to me that’s a lot of $$ for a pretty slow car. So I don’t see the hype. I’d rather buy a used car, that’s a lot better, like you did. E46 M3, S2000, and so many more can be bought for a lot cheaper, and provide more fun. Spending a little more $$ for a used Z28, or even a GT350, is so worth it. So much more fun. The GR86 is a toy
@@avery4528 My thoughts. Yes its an extra 600 lbs (2800 and change for GR86 and 3400 and change for Camaro), but more power, quicker and better weight distribution (52/48 for Camaro and 56/44 for the GR86). Prices are similar. Of course the Camaro does not have the hype. But other than the weight the Camaro V6 is a better car.
I’m loving this little car! I’m a Subaru guy but agree the grill on GR86 looks better and that color is great! I’m trying to convince my wife we need an ‘extra’ car (I have a Tacoma to pull a boat and haul dirt bikes otherwise I’d still be driving my WRX) and I might have a chance because she appreciates a good manual RWD coupe. :-)
Definitely sounds better without the engine noise. Good pick on the GR86 totally agree with everything you guys said. This will be one of the last of its kind before everything is electrified.
I honestly wasn’t looking at the GR86/BRZ but man after doing more research,the very good point of “more horsepower doesn’t mean more fun”, and looking at that beautiful model y’all are driving, I think I really have to consider this one now if it is available near me anytime soon
Just bought a miata rf, first car daily(I usually only drive to work), other than not fitting for you guys was there anything else you wouldn't want the miata for? Also kinda learning manual lol, day 1 had to had someone drive it home, day 2 went out figured it out for the most part I only stalled once and that was the beginning of figuring it out, gonna figure this out or die trying. My 2 cars were brand new 86 or 2019-new miata rf, i fit in both fairly well so that was never an issue, and as someone whos been driving a kia forte the only problem I have with the miata so far is the back up camera is pretty bad, its usable but its not great.
You'll get it in no time. It took me a couple months before I really felt comfortable (self-taught, Honda Fit). The RF Miata is an amazing car; don't feel like you are missing anything by choosing the Miata over the 86 (besides maybe the back seats).
Even though the GR Corolla is coming to Canada I've decided to go with the GR86. Time for a naturally aspirated vehicle this time around. Still have to wait awhile here though, till around late 2022
I'm so so so glad you went GR86 over BRZ. I'll just say what everyone else is thinking: The BRZ grill is a goofy smile that just keeps getting goofier. To the point where I'm pretty sure Subaru makes its smile goofier every time they redesign so everyone will think they're not serious about this collab. Good on Toyota for taking the future of Naturally-Aspirated sportscars seriously. The GR grill is much much MUCH more aggressive and beautiful.
this is such a great video because there are many drivers out there that want to own an 86 but are scared to learn and drive MT, and the host here is encouraging them to learn, specifically with this car. i feel like it gives them the push they need to get over their fear of MT, especially when toyota made it so much easier to learn with the 86
4 winters and a limited slip differential work just fine. I used a Honda S2000 as a 4 season car in the Midwest, thanks to a second set of wheels with winter tires.
@@toddsmith8608 Well, I sold the S2000 7 years ago after I bought a Boxster. But I did make a point of taking it through a car wash with an undercarriage spray after every storm.
Yeah, when I learned to drive manual I wasn't taught to use the handbrake like he mentions info this video. And we had plenty of hills where I grew up.
Thank you for providing such clear and logical reviews/feedback targeted towards “everyday drivers”. I’ve been flip flopping constantly between looking for a used Cayman or a brand new GR86/BRZ. Porsche resale values have gone up considerably over the past 24 months which has made me lean much harder toward a new GR86/BRZ purchase decision. I’ve been afraid that I would regret that at some point but your reviews have really helped me feel confident that I will be thrilled with this vehicle for a long time to come. I also really want a naturally aspirated power plant and a GTS Cayman is way out of my price range. Thanks for the great reviews!
I completely agree. Having fake engine noises is really dumb. Alas, they have to cater to the lowest common denominator 🤷🏻♂️ If I was in the market for a new daily sports, it would have to be the 86/BRZ. It’s a no brainer really. 👍🏻
That big grin on Todd’s son’s face put a smile on mine. You would think after 5 kids I would be immune to their charm. Awesome on killing the fake noise and it really was quite unnecessary. Who is it really there for? Great job guys!
This car is an awesome gem that's being produced for us. When they first came out I got to drive a BRZ for a photo shoot and loved it. My nephew is looking at the 86 and test drove it for him. Still enjoyed it, these cars are really fun for the price.
I hope the new Clutch in the GR Corolla is as good as you're making it sound on the 86. I'm getting one of those corollas. I will get a third fucking job
Such beauty full scenery I want to leave Seattle and live there. I’m sure the money I make at a job will go much further over there than here in Seattle. This is Utah right ? What part exactly of Utah is this?
So much better without the synthetic engine sound. It was just noise. I turned this off of my BMW and it was almost the difference between driving with the window cracked, and fully sealed.
Hey, so you and I talked Toyotas and specifically about your GR86. This morning this video was on my homepage. Glad to have found your channel would love to see the car next time I am around!
I suspect you have one available, but if you need a first generation Cayman for a comparison run, you are welcome to use mine. 2006 Cayman S that I picked up for a little less than the new GR86. Love the Cayman, but it would have been a little harder decision if there were more 86’s available. (Located in the Salt Lake area.)
@@EverydayDriver Yes! I want to see that comparison! Had a 1st gen BRZ that I loved, am now in an E85 Z4 just like yours (I bought it before you did your series on it. 😄), and now seriously contemplating if my next car will be a used 1st gen Cayman or a new 86.
Love mine, but its in automatic. I wish it was a manual, but I couldn't find one & it just doesn't make much sense for me, living in LA. Maybe I'll get a manual a few years down the road if I find a used one for cheap.
@@ormand3000 haha yeah like move out of LA or somehow get property with enough space for a daily driver + a for fun manual... 🙄I'm just glad I'm in a fun car for once and out of my econobox for a cheap price. Not to mention that the GR86 I got seemed to be literally the last one in the whole of Southern California. Sure, let me just get a manual 86 even though they don't exist in a 300 mile radius of me.
2:44 lol it actually does not anymore. You can clearly see it in the clip they showed. (In reference to them saying you can still see the 86 logo on startup)
Thank you guys so much for your reviews on this masterpiece of a car...im lookin to pick one up summer of 2023 and personally im cant wait and im so excited for this car.
Chris, I own a sleek black, manual shift, 2017 ‘86 and absolutely love my sports car. My very first car was a used, 1977 manual shift Toyota Corolla and when I got behind the wheel of the ‘86 all the manual shift “feel” came back to me.. like I’d never left standard shift. Bought it in Jan.2018 for $30 G’s. It’s a blast to drive & peel out on occasion :) I also love the retro feel & look of the interior. There are no bells & whistles and that’s just fine with me (less to break down & maintain). I hope you get the 2023 you hope for. You won’t be sorry.
I went from a 2013 FRS to a 2006 Cayman S and am considering a 2022 GR86 next. I’d be very interested to see this compared to a 987. Thanks for the great content!
I sold my Porsche 2009 Boxster S which is a 987.2 it had a PDK transmission and I had all season continentals on it. I bought a 2022 Gr86 manual transmission. One of my main reason for this was having the ability to recline the seat in the GR 86 and having easy access to the rear seat area for luggage food etc. The GRE 86 kicks into a slide much easier than the boxer ever did and the Porsche being an S model with 310 horse was definitely quicker and faster ,but the GR 86 has plenty of power so I’m fine there.
Todd Smith While my Cayman (110k miles) may be my favorite car I’ve ever owned there are things I miss about about my old FRS. Besides how much fun it was to have the tail step out in a a controlled manner and the obvious practicality of having a foldable back seat, I miss track days.The 987.1 is known for oil starvation issues and is a real gamble on the track. There are fixes but taking the cost and risk into consideration along with the lack of a LSD, the risk out ways the reward. The improved performance of the already track ready GR86 along with a warranty makes for a compelling consideration for the GR86 at its price point.
I might switch from a 07 Cayman S too if the GR86 lives up to the hype when I drive it. So far no dealer is giving out test drives as any car they receive is already sold as a pre-order
Question for a future video, after the weather gets warmer and the shocks get more compliant: Because Paul and Todd have praised the Fiesta ST repeatedly and have driven it quite a bit, I'd be interested to hear how they compare its ride to the GR86's. I've had a FiST as a daily driver for five years and still love it, except for its ride, which can be punishing on bad urban roadways especially. The one current car I'd considering dumping the ST for is the GR86, but only if it rides better. Also, please keep us posted on your real-world MPG.
We had a crazy snowy and cold winter in Canada this year. My brz did pretty well, with snow tires of course. There were some uncomfortable situations especially driving on snowed in or icy highway, the light weight plays against you. But being careful and having traction control on helped me drive through this winter without any problems, even though the car was definately not build for this it did fine
Here in Quebec, I've been driving FRS/BRZ all year round since 2014 and I love my car during winter, it's so much fun !! And driving during a snowstorm, being low means that you don't feel the wind. Of course I didn't lower the car, but stock suspension means you have more ground clearance than an Echo 😂
I also drive my 86 in winter in Canada and in fact I drove rwd car though all the winters (370z Camaro ss). Honestly with good winter tires I never have any problems except in the parking lot with deep snow. I never have my traction control on and it really teaches me with throttle modulation.
@@itchyonion3559 Where do you live? I live in Shawinigan and there's always snows here... much more than when I lived in montreal... I'm not sure how confortable I'd be driving a RWD on snowstorm days...
@@Rastaboulotte Montreal and Ottawa, I was literally on highway during the biggest snowstorm. I think as long as don’t get stuck on your driveways then you should be fine. Also be careful with the throttle if you don’t have your tc on. I think it’s manageable with good winter tires, especially at low speed you will not find it scary at all
I can really appreciate the adverse driving conditions you live & drove in using the 86. Great info sharing how we can getthe best exp out of hearing the actual engine sounds
Thank you, so much, for talking about winter tires vs drive type. I'm in SLC, and have driven rear wheel drive sports cars with winter tires through all conditions. It felt so much more controlled than when I drove AWD cars with all-seasons.
I just got mine. I am an older dude. I like the engine sound as is. Maybe I will change my mind. I don't want a fart can exhaust and draw attention. Gives me the feeling without people looking at me like I am having a mid life crisis.
Great video thanks guys, this car continues to impress. You might not need an exhaust, but every Subaru boxer should have UEL headers, that Subie rumble is too good to miss out on.
Great video as always! It’s a pleasure to watch your channel you guys really know about cars, being a car and off road enthusiast myself I can appreciate it. The reviews you do are based on real use and application of the vehicle(s). Keep up it up. Cheers from Toronto, 🇨🇦
Are you guys still on 18” wheels with the OZs? I’m really considering selling my M2 competition for one of these. Love the idea of a 2800 lb more manageable and simplified enthusiast car
How do you get from "[the car] is held in a special area with a fire-suppression system" to "the car has already been redlined"? What special area? What do they do there? Why does it have a fire-suppression system? What are you talking about??
At the end of the assembly line, new cars are started for the first time. There’s a fire suppression system in case of a problem and if there’s going to be an engine problem they want it to happen then. Thus redline on startup is not uncommon. Thanks for watching.
I have a 2005 legacy NA, and it sounds similar to that car. I love it to be quiet cruising and when you trash it, it come to live... but I recently changed the transmission mount for a group N and the noise has increased (mainly casue of vibrations) and it´s so so good... even mine it´s not so sporty ahahahahh. Love your videos guys!!!
The new GR Corolla will be an interesting comp; hope you get to side-by-side those two. Between the exotica in the specs and things like 14" brakes, I suspect the GR will cost more. But if the Corolla is close the the GR Yaris, the whole rally car type of package should be something.
The first 86/ brz air conditioning was awful and there were lots of vibrational sounds coming from the trunk because it had no sound deadening, how does the new generation fix this? I sold my brz because the rattles, extreme loud road noise and bad air conditioning drove me crazy
After seeing a LOT of reviews for the GR 86, because I love it 🥰, I became soo sick of that speaker, and when I listen to yours with no pipped in sound I finally feel at peace ❤️😩🙌🏻
Just bought a GR86 Premium. Wasn't completely aware of the break in period procedure but I knew it takes time for the engine to break in... YE$, I $HOULD have read the manual (I am now)... My point is, I've gone on some speed sprees on back roads but nothing over 6KRPM and never for sustained periods, just 5-1O seconds here and there... roadster driving... I'm mostly driving her like a lil 'ole 7Oy/o school teacher until I hit 1,5OOK-2K miles (currently at around 5OO miles right now)... but I still throttle over 4K for a second here and there and vary my change up and down-shift during my daily drives. Seems I'm driving it like you described. I get a little burning smell now and then when briefly going over 4K for a few seconds but nothing alarming. Would you say I am I in a good place? Or should I be even more ginger or more adventurous?
I love my 2018. It's pretty much bone stock. The new gen does look like the real deal and perfect improvement. Hope ppl buy these. They're such fun and easy to live with cars.
2 weeks in my halo white gr86. Man this car is so much fun. Agree, power is overrated. Light and small. FYI. There are 3, not 2 squirts for the windshield. It’s so nice to get the windshield clean quick. Also still own my 2018 brz. Why gr86? Simple. Who just won 2022 Le Mans? Not Subaru.
I can't believe that Toyota - of all manufacturers - now offers (or soon will) not one, but TWO cars I genuinely want to own!!! This GR86 (which I realize is more Subaru than Toyota, but still) - and the upcoming GR Corolla (pure 100% Toyota)! Two very different cars (turbo AWD 4-door hot hatch vs n/a RWD 2-door coupe), but two (presumably) very FUN cars. I currently drive a C6 Corvette Grand Sport - which is without a doubt faster than both of these cars in every way, but I doubt that it's as much FUN. My previous car was an NB Miata... and I miss it. The 'Vette is a BLAST for sure - and it looks and sounds better, but it's just SO capable, that you can't really push its limits on your daily drive on public roads without reaching go-directly-to-jail (or kill yourself) speeds. It's very comfortable, but, dare I say - boring - at normal speeds... whereas you can have a ball wringing out cars like this GR86 in normal driving without worrying about losing your license. I've come to realize that, unless you're competing on a track, cars like this are the way to go for pure fun/ driving pleasure. I can't decide which one I want more.
If you guys are bringing up the Supra 2.0 and a used Cayman, why not the 230i M-Sport. That's what I'm trading my Veloster N for. The N is fun in the right circumstances but it's a plastic box that's a horrible daily/commuter. I traded my FR-S for the N for the same reasons. Live and learn. I wish we all had the time/money/space for a weekend car. If I did I would pick the GR86 over the N, GTI, CTR, and Supra 2.0 for sure. Looking forward to more vids with this car. Keep it up!
I love the BRX/GR86. However, I drove pocket rockets the bulk of my life and NOTHING puts a smile on my face like my 500 horsepower beast of a Mustang that goes very fast in a straight line, which is a joy I could never know in a GR86. My ride is also manual and sounds great.
Meh...All I see are annoying kids with huge, wheels , even more annoying fart cans driving this car, but to be expected at this price point which is obviously a budget price sport coupe NOT a sports car per say. Compare it with a Cayman? Seriously that's like what 3 times the price haha umm ok.. Even a VW R, q60, RC, Z or Supra would be twice to 3 times the price. My 991 base Carrera would buy me how much of these Toyota's I wonder? JK JK just a bit of sarcasm. But seriously how many people get revved by some kid with a BRZ or 86 at least once? ; )
6:20 what are you saying Paul? I do not follow. Why does the car being held in an area with a fire suppression system mean that the manufacturer already redlined the engine? I'm not debating either of those points I'm just confused how they relate to each other. (Maybe it's not you, maybe it's the editor *cough* Todd).
I owned a first gen BRZ and, sadly, I had to return it because of check engine / stalling over and over. I LOVED that car so much I went through a full tank of gas on the first day. It broke my heart.. ended up with an older WRX 2008 till that started some crazy CEL issues too and well.. Lived in Mass at the time and you can't pass inspection with a busted CEL and nothing would fix it. So.. long story short, I thought I'd be a forever Subaru gal, but I cannot wait to test drive this car. Been driving a 2016 Camry XSE and just found out I can get for trade exactly what I paid for it 3 years ago. WOO!!
Hello, I had the chance the put my hand on brz here in Belgium.. only 10 have been available in the country! I like the rims you put on your 86 and if I made no mistake they are OZ leggera 18x8?? My question is do you know the offset for this one because 45 and 35 are available. I would like to go to 35 but the dealer says it won’t fit.. Thx in advance Sylvain
Dont forget, You'll need to review and compare the GR86 to the soon announced GR Corolla! I think i have my mind set on this with the same color! It stands out, performs at its best, and is very customizable. Would be my first. Great reviews as always. Very informative and fun.
Blah blah blah all this and not one one word of CAN TC AND VSC BE FULLY !!! TURNED OFF not 80% not 90% but 100% all the dam way off and no pedal dance did not fully remove them in the previous car. I'm sick and tired of new cars full of electronic nannys that can never be turned all the way off.
I just want to enhance your comment on the Nokia Hakkapalittas. I have a set on my present vehicle, and love them, but years ago with my 1987 CRXsi, a less then 2000 pound vehicle, with a set of original Hakkas, I had zero worries in the snow, I felt in total control. Also I live in Ontario, Canada and in a snow belt. Lots of snow, slush etc. My first three cars were RWD, and I can't wait to get into another one soon, with a BRZ/GR86.
This summer can y'all please get your hands on a stock(ish) 370 (non NISMO) and do a comparison to the GR86 on street and track. Because with the new Z coming out, I assume prices for 370s will drop and people looking for a naturally aspirated RWD, manual Japanese sports coupe will be able to get a well maintained 370Z for the same or maybe less than a new GR86. Thats a great comparison.
Just did an Autotempest search Nationwide for the GR86 manual. THREE RESULTS. 😒 If you guys DO decide to run an aftermarket exhaust, go with the UEL headers to get the Subi rumble, and use a stealth or street version of a muffler so the noise is mild, not loud. Tone instead of loudness.
Couldn't agree more about power... power is killing the sport cars. I had a 2007 base Boxster and traded in for a TT RS... barely 2 weeks in, I regretted it deeply. 2 months later I dumped the TT and got a 2010 base Boxster which I will be buried in when I die... I will never make THAT mistake again!
Are the Subaru boxer engines reliable for long term ownership? I have been told to expect problems at 60-80k miles by my mechanic son-n-law. I personally don't know anything about them. Any other manual shift new vehicles recommended? Can't do a Miata, too small for my needs!
2 weeks into my new BRZ. From a recent Road & Track Article: The BRZ makes everything else on the market today feel like an overcomplicated, over-complex bloatfest.
Pretty well said. A bit more a throwback and more analog/visceral and not as video game-ish as modern cars. It was the flaws of cars of yesteryear like Lotus Elan, several British sportscars from Jag to Triumph to MG including old Corvettes, Alphas, Fiat Spider etc that gave them their character. Perfection as it turns out can be a bit boring aka BMW.
Its Gentoo/Arch of the cars
Agreed. I'm not a hybrid or EV guy. I think I'll buy one while I still can. Thanks.
Getting one for my daughter, looks good and its slow and safe
pretty sure you have not driven a new mini cooper because that is the perfect car for women and men who dont want to be overcomplicated.
Wow. I didn't expect the engine sound remove to sound so much better. I thought the sound deadening would result in something quieter
Same here, sounds just fine to me. I'm more shocked at the fact Toyota piped in the fake engine sound in a car like this. I imagine they will remove it altogether in the years to come or at least have a way for us to turn it off.
@@mikea5205 I think it's pretty clear that many manufacturers think "louder = better" even if it's fake sound. Enthusiasts, for the most part, hate the fake sound, which is what the auto makers are failing to acknowledge. On the other hand, if you're driving the car "normally" or just not an enthusiast, you might not care about the fake sound. I'll throw my wife under the bus here and say she falls in this category haha. She thinks her 330i sounds really nice. I will admit, at low RPM the piped-in sound is okay, not offensive, but anything over 4k RPM and it sounds like a video game sound effect. Kinda takes me out of the experience of driving. On the other hand, in my IS 350 I can disable the fake sound, which I do because it's not needed.
The actual engine sound was way better, to my ear it had a bit more of a growl to it.
Engine sounds through speakers always sound muffled to me. Recording the engine sound and playing it through car speakers(which are from a studio monitor) on top of the actual engine sound is a terrible idea. You'd really need to EQ out a bunch of interfering frequencies to make them stack well. I think it'll get better over time. I bet electric cars will sound cool at some point too.
Oh no I have one, it's very quiet, like yes you can still hear something but it fades away very easily I had to buy a catback to bring the sound back. It's painfully quiet.
You guys turned a normal Q&A video into something so much more. The ending was borderline emotional. Just hanging on the drone shot made me do a quick retrospective about a lot of things. I continue to be impressed, guys.
Very pleased to hear you enjoyed it so much. Thanks for watching!
@@EverydayDriver I would be interested to see a comparison against the first gen BMW Z4 3.0si coupe and the GR86. I know it is an older car but I feel like it would be a good comparison for a used alternative. New car wise there really is not anything else out there besides the Miata, or Fiat 124 Abarth maybe.
If I could break down why I love my GR86 so much it would be this: After owning a GR86 for 3 months, everything else feels heavy, less engaged, and too expensive. Why would I pay more money for less connection.
Less is More!
@Garboi I have a question. So I’m sitting at a red light and let go of the brake, why does it make a quick clunky type noise? It also does it very little when I put into gear. Is it something I should worry about?
@@PeytonLindsay86 I wouldn’t be worried. The first gen was kinda noisy too. We just don’t have much sound insulation since it’s such a light car. As long as there’s no clunks and rattles while driving you are okay. The transmission is just loud in my experience.
well, if your goal is to be a cheap @ss you should have just bought an old used corvette.
the GR86 is a great value but dont think it is a cheap car considering they are over 30,000$ out the door and keep in mind if your goal is performance you could have had a brand new veloster N which may not be as fun "subjectively" but will certainly stomp the GR86 on a real track course.
the goal here is "compromise" in cost, performance and value.
@@potatochobit but I want a new car. The veloster N (which I heavily considered) costs 33,000 before markup and taxes and fees for the what I want. The GR86 was 30,300 before all of that. Not to mention the Toyota dealership near me does $0 markup. The only place with a velostern N within any reasonable distance to me was $3k over on just a 1.6t r spec. They told me it would be close to 40k for an N. So not only did I save money getting the 86, which I bought cash, I also got a more enjoyable car. I drove a type R which was not as fun as this and couldn’t drift. I can’t find any new rwd car in a good trim level for this price. Also I have seen several blown theta II series engines at my shop and they are not impressive in any regards internally. That’s another thing that pushed me away from the veloster N. The average new price of a car is $47,100. So yeah I’d say it was pretty cheap. Let me know if I misunderstood you. I took what you said as saying the Gr86 is not worth the money, which I disagree with. If you don’t mind used, a C6 is great. But you also have no new features and who knows how it was treated.
Thanks for covering the power at altitude. I don't think everyone realizes how important of a consideration this is when you live above 5000'.
How does altitude affect a car? I never knew about this
@@xx_jason_xx5568 The general rule of thumb for naturally aspirated (NA) engines is 3% power loss for every 1000' of elevation. Turbocharged engines tend to make similar power at elevation as they do at sea level, though at extreme altitude they lose power too.
@@shawnseeley9561 wow so it's like an air density thing I assume that's pretty crazy I've never thought about it till now
@@xx_jason_xx5568 Correct
@@xx_jason_xx5568 Less oxygen equals less power.
It takes about 5 minutes to just disconnect the noise generator on your own. You open the passenger door and pop off the side dash cover. Sound box is visible. Reach in and unplug connector. Tape connector to something so it won't rattle. Done. I don't automatically hate sound generators, but this one seemed especially artificial to me and overly loud at high rpm. Engine sound is much better without it.
Thank you!! I hope it works when my gr86 is delivered!!!
First thing I'll do when mine gets delivered, right on the dealer lot too lol
It was also easy to disable on the FRS even though that wasn't digital
@@ottoyang9511 The first thing to get rid of is the seat belt chime. It is crazy. PRess start button once, don't start, then put the clip in the socket 20 times in 30 seconds. there after you will get 3 chimes and the light will still come on before you put on the seat belt.
I absolutely love this car. I deliver cars for a living and I see these at the loading yard all the time. you guys got the perfect color and those wheels are beautiful. hopefully in a year or so I'll have exactly the same one.
Lucky that you saw them in person. It's sold out in MD and even the ones coming in are sold
does it really look better in person like everyone says?
@@DM-ye9mm I'd say it looks about as good in person as it does in video but yeah it looks great in person. The brz looks kinda weird. The front end is too smiley.
I've delivered a few brz and 86 they get sideways real quick if you give them the beans. Really fun to drive
get the HKS turbo kit ;)
@@MrMe1280 have you had a chance to see upclose the red colored version? Does it look as good as the blue?
I’ll be honest, at this time, I like the sound activator on mine. But, I’m hard of hearing and it helps me with my shifts because I can hear the RPM’s better. I may turn it off if I add a catback, but, I’m loving the car so far. I have the same exact premium model and color. Your reasons for purchasing this car are the same as mine. Every day I’m actually more excited to drive this car than my previous Porsches. That says a lot.
Glad you bought one and are so enjoying it. Thanks for watching!
Never driven a porch. Can't imagine they're all that fast. Especially if they're still attached to the house.
@@quilope lol
@@quilope There's no such thing as a bad joke, only a dad joke...
Hi, what did u purchase for accessories???
If I ever get an electric car, I want the sound of George Jetson's car piped in. Concerning winter tires on RWD, I've driven my BMW on Michelin Ice-X tires through snow deep enough that I can hear the snow hitting the belly pan. No issues.
7:55 "and we need to stop equating power numbers with fun" THANK YOU! I couldn't agree more with this. People these days always associate more power for more fun but it's not the case at all. How could you ever enjoy a 800hp car with an automatic on normal roads? You're just gonna go all over the place. It's all about the status quo of saying "yeah it has a lot of hp and goes 0-60 in very few seconds". These aren't real car enthusiast. They're just posers. That's not how we should see fun in cars at all. Just this morning I had an argument with someone who was comparing the Porsche GT3 with the GT2 RS, by telling me that the "GT2 goes faster because it's turboed". I told him that why would you ever need 700hp on a lightweight car?! You'll just spin and oversteer every second. Plus it doesn't have high RPMs and it doesn't have a manual. The GT3 is naturally aspirated, so it revs up to 9000rpm, with 500hp or so, still a lot but way better and more than enough and it has a manual transmission. Just like that, the GR86 is the perfect recipe for fun. Well enough power and good torque distribution, manual transmission and RWD with a diff and perfect weight distribution. I love this car so much.
Totally agree. With these high horsepower typically expensive cars, where are you going to be able to fully ring out the car? The race track maybe, but on the street the most you can experience is raw acceleration. Is that all there is to driving? Hell no. The GR 86 is an aspirational car for myself, something with due time I can afford, and not to far off. Sure a Ferrari is cool, but its it a true driving machine or a status symbol.
Yep, for a large part of the population, non-enthusiasts and enthusiasts alike, the only thing that matters is horsepower and 0-60 times. It is what it is....
@@chady7009 a Ferrari is cool, if it's at least 20 years old! Where they still made naturally aspirated V8s with a manual! Around 400hp is all you needed and they were awesome!
@@kevincrockett5155 I know. It's sad. That's all they care, it's so dumb.
Best part is enjoying all of the rpms at a very low speed. I picked up an ST and gave it a tune to fill in the power and comfort gap. I'm having a really hard time finding something to replace my 86 besides another 86.
I think it sounds so much better now. Why they didn't do that from the factory is crazy. At least put it in the menu like Kia/Hyundai does where you can toggle it off and on. Great info here as always. Love what you guys have done.
As a 1st gen car owner of one of the twins, so glad you guys are doing this!
Fantastic video! I wish you guys could do more "what a car is like to live with" -like videos. So helpful!
More details on cars that are demo'd besides the driving dynamics would help greatly when cross-shopping.
This reminds me of my '87 RX-7, lightweight, rwd, and with 4 Hakka's I was going up and over unpaved, snow covered gaps in VT on the way to skiing. Lightweight and good winter tires are the best combo for winter driving.
After driving a BRZ and S2000 in the midwest since 2013, I can tell you any rwd vehicle with proper snow tires will do just fine in snow.
My IS300 with LSD and all seasons even handles the snow amazingly. Had it for 6 years and live in the midwest. Like they said though ground clearance of big icy rocks is the only thing to take note of.
i daily my 86 in a near Alpine region which sees a bit of snow in the winter months and even with the shitty old snow tires it worked, sideways but it worked, went to work no problem.
my favorite experience was driving to work out of my hood onto the main way where the bus stop is and everyone is waiting for the bus and i turn onto the main road infront of them and the tail end comes lose and i look like an absolute maniac, grinning like the weird cat from alice in the wonderland.
i didnt even want to do it but man...those slides are sooo controllable and once it happens i just cant stop grinning.
nope
@@AlexSchwartzATV Same experience with my IS300!
Yep, drove a NA Miata in the Midwest for years - snow, sleet, freezing rain... drove through it all and always made it to the destination in a reasonable time. Good tires and knowing your vehicle will get you through the almost any situation that most drivers will face. As mentioned, a steep hill that isn't plowed would be a problem, but most people aren't going to be dealing with steep, unplowed hills very often.
Good video. Regarding rev hang - interesting that Todd said the revs don't "linger" because my experience has shown otherwise. When driving around town, especially during the 1-2 shift, the tach needle will literally pause for 1-2 seconds before falling while the clutch is in. Really makes it difficult to drive smoothly unless you slow your inputs down drastically. Not an issue at all when driving flat out, though.
ayyy, its zygrene
I haven't had this issue at all on my BRZ. I found at first I was leaving my foot on the gas a 1/2 second too long which made it seem like there was rev hang, but after testing and adjusting the issue is gone. Could also just be minor differences car to car though
Oh hey it's Zygrene :D
Also, from listening to your last video, the sound piping present could help hear the engine in some track situations.
Yeah. I have an 80 hp 914. It is sooooo fun!
I disagree with you, but I've also had some modern manual hondas and those have ATROCIOUS rev hang. This is not noticeable in comparison
Thanks for highlighting the fact that it's totally usable with 3/4 persons as long as some of the passengers aren't too tall.
I'm tired of hearing "the 2 back seats aren't usable". Having the ability to carry 3/4 persons is a huge feature vs a Miata.
It also enables fitting 4 wheels in the trunk, which is extremely convenient (especially if you live in a city where you switch between summer and winter tires every year)
This "horsepower does not equate to driving enjoyment" diatribe is spot on!
Glad it resonated with you. Thanks for watching.
I would love the 86, but can't find one. Some dealers are driving them a couple hundred miles, calling them used and the selling them for 40k. As a MR2 Spyder owner I can attest that there is no correlation between fun-n-power. Great review.
Same haha, got a 1zz in my Spyder. Drove an E90 M3 for a week on vacation and the whole time I couldn't wait to get back to the MR2. I was constantly scared of getting pulled over driving the M3, but with my MR2 I can rev it all the way out and enjoy it without any fear. Slow cars rule!
@@420CaptainSlow agree completely. One of my cars is a 1zz Celica and it's a ton of fun without the whole losing the license thing lol
@@420CaptainSlow second motion this I had an 2002 Celica and had tons of fun with that car
It was a tough choice between a new GR86 6 speed VS an old 5th Gen Camaro Z/28 with the 7 liter. Ultimately after driving both back to back, the Camaro won me over. I know it's a more expensive car but god damn it is but the most fun on four wheels I've had since the 911 Turbo years ago.
The Z28 is a lot better car. The GR86 gets a lot of hype because it’s under $40k for a RWD, manual sports car, but to me that’s a lot of $$ for a pretty slow car. So I don’t see the hype. I’d rather buy a used car, that’s a lot better, like you did. E46 M3, S2000, and so many more can be bought for a lot cheaper, and provide more fun. Spending a little more $$ for a used Z28, or even a GT350, is so worth it. So much more fun. The GR86 is a toy
You can tecnically buy the 2016 and up Camaro with a 3.6L V6, LSD, and 6MT and the MSRP is $28,000, the same price as a base 86.
@@JacesOwnWorld A great handling toy though.
@@avery4528 My thoughts. Yes its an extra 600 lbs (2800 and change for GR86 and 3400 and change for Camaro), but more power, quicker and better weight distribution (52/48 for Camaro and 56/44 for the GR86). Prices are similar. Of course the Camaro does not have the hype. But other than the weight the Camaro V6 is a better car.
A 6th gen ss1le is probably even better
I’m loving this little car! I’m a Subaru guy but agree the grill on GR86 looks better and that color is great! I’m trying to convince my wife we need an ‘extra’ car (I have a Tacoma to pull a boat and haul dirt bikes otherwise I’d still be driving my WRX) and I might have a chance because she appreciates a good manual RWD coupe. :-)
Definitely sounds better without the engine noise. Good pick on the GR86 totally agree with everything you guys said. This will be one of the last of its kind before everything is electrified.
I honestly wasn’t looking at the GR86/BRZ but man after doing more research,the very good point of “more horsepower doesn’t mean more fun”, and looking at that beautiful model y’all are driving, I think I really have to consider this one now if it is available near me anytime soon
there's a limit, where 'no horsepower means no fun', but otherwise yeah
Just bought a miata rf, first car daily(I usually only drive to work), other than not fitting for you guys was there anything else you wouldn't want the miata for? Also kinda learning manual lol, day 1 had to had someone drive it home, day 2 went out figured it out for the most part I only stalled once and that was the beginning of figuring it out, gonna figure this out or die trying.
My 2 cars were brand new 86 or 2019-new miata rf, i fit in both fairly well so that was never an issue, and as someone whos been driving a kia forte the only problem I have with the miata so far is the back up camera is pretty bad, its usable but its not great.
You'll get it in no time. It took me a couple months before I really felt comfortable (self-taught, Honda Fit). The RF Miata is an amazing car; don't feel like you are missing anything by choosing the Miata over the 86 (besides maybe the back seats).
Ok, you guys are selling me on one of these.
I hope that one day you two will come across an old school AE86👍
Even though the GR Corolla is coming to Canada I've decided to go with the GR86.
Time for a naturally aspirated vehicle this time around.
Still have to wait awhile here though, till around late 2022
Is it “fake engine” noise or the actual engine noise being amplified?
If it is the latter, fine by me:)
I plan on ordering one in Steel
I'm so so so glad you went GR86 over BRZ.
I'll just say what everyone else is thinking: The BRZ grill is a goofy smile that just keeps getting goofier.
To the point where I'm pretty sure Subaru makes its smile goofier every time they redesign so everyone will think they're not serious about this collab. Good on Toyota for taking the future of Naturally-Aspirated sportscars seriously. The GR grill is much much MUCH more aggressive and beautiful.
I actually liked the big goofy grin on my 2010 mazda 3 :(
@@emissarygw2264 The Mazda 3 grin is a good grin.
this is such a great video because there are many drivers out there that want to own an 86 but are scared to learn and drive MT, and the host here is encouraging them to learn, specifically with this car. i feel like it gives them the push they need to get over their fear of MT, especially when toyota made it so much easier to learn with the 86
4 winters and a limited slip differential work just fine. I used a Honda S2000 as a 4 season car in the Midwest, thanks to a second set of wheels with winter tires.
Jim, do you worry about salt and rust? Honda isn't making any more S2k.
@@toddsmith8608 Well, I sold the S2000 7 years ago after I bought a Boxster. But I did make a point of taking it through a car wash with an undercarriage spray after every storm.
I’m doing my part. Just bought a Miata!
i always heard using the handbrake on hills but i never tried it. FEAR taught me how to start on an uphill lol
Yeah, when I learned to drive manual I wasn't taught to use the handbrake like he mentions info this video. And we had plenty of hills where I grew up.
It's easy!Just release your handbrake as the clutch is engaging.
@@warrenbrenner4972 I understand HOW to do it, just saying I wasn't taught that way.
@@warrenbrenner4972 I was taught to take my right foot off the the brake and add throttle when the clutch is engaging, not fiddle with the handbrake.
YES! Do a Cayman vs GR86 Head-to-Head!
Thank you for providing such clear and logical reviews/feedback targeted towards “everyday drivers”. I’ve been flip flopping constantly between looking for a used Cayman or a brand new GR86/BRZ. Porsche resale values have gone up considerably over the past 24 months which has made me lean much harder toward a new GR86/BRZ purchase decision. I’ve been afraid that I would regret that at some point but your reviews have really helped me feel confident that I will be thrilled with this vehicle for a long time to come. I also really want a naturally aspirated power plant and a GTS Cayman is way out of my price range. Thanks for the great reviews!
I completely agree. Having fake engine noises is really dumb. Alas, they have to cater to the lowest common denominator 🤷🏻♂️
If I was in the market for a new daily sports, it would have to be the 86/BRZ. It’s a no brainer really. 👍🏻
🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥An outstanding real world review. You all are literally repeating what made the 86 so special in Japan and Initial D.
That big grin on Todd’s son’s face put a smile on mine. You would think after 5 kids I would be immune to their charm. Awesome on killing the fake noise and it really was quite unnecessary. Who is it really there for? Great job guys!
This car is an awesome gem that's being produced for us. When they first came out I got to drive a BRZ for a photo shoot and loved it. My nephew is looking at the 86 and test drove it for him. Still enjoyed it, these cars are really fun for the price.
I hope the new Clutch in the GR Corolla is as good as you're making it sound on the 86. I'm getting one of those corollas. I will get a third fucking job
Thank you for this. I'm feeling better about my purchase, still waiting on delivery
Such beauty full scenery I want to leave Seattle and live there. I’m sure the money I make at a job will go much further over there than here in Seattle. This is Utah right ? What part exactly of Utah is this?
Wow I love those gold wheels. Compliments the obsidian blue so nicely!
So much better without the synthetic engine sound. It was just noise. I turned this off of my BMW and it was almost the difference between driving with the window cracked, and fully sealed.
Stop convincing me to buy a new car.. I told myself I would never buy a new car.
Voting with your wallet couldn't come at a better time... show manufacturers that the enthusiast market wants cool stuff
Hey, so you and I talked Toyotas and specifically about your GR86. This morning this video was on my homepage. Glad to have found your channel would love to see the car next time I am around!
Glad you found it. Cool to meet you and thanks for watching!
I suspect you have one available, but if you need a first generation Cayman for a comparison run, you are welcome to use mine. 2006 Cayman S that I picked up for a little less than the new GR86. Love the Cayman, but it would have been a little harder decision if there were more 86’s available. (Located in the Salt Lake area.)
Thanks for offering up you car. We might need it!
@@EverydayDriver Yes! I want to see that comparison!
Had a 1st gen BRZ that I loved, am now in an E85 Z4 just like yours (I bought it before you did your series on it. 😄), and now seriously contemplating if my next car will be a used 1st gen Cayman or a new 86.
@cdavisUT Can you send us an email at everydaydrivertv@gmail.com - thanks so much! Paul
Hey Chris, we’re interested in working with you-thanks for the offer. Send us an email at everydaydrivertv@gmail.com
Very nice. Thanks for the video guys. And just so you know I watched all the adds, just for you. 😂💪🏽👍🏼
Love mine, but its in automatic. I wish it was a manual, but I couldn't find one & it just doesn't make much sense for me, living in LA. Maybe I'll get a manual a few years down the road if I find a used one for cheap.
You should have done whatever you had to do to get a manual transmission. An automatic BRZ is a sad thing.
@@ormand3000 haha yeah like move out of LA or somehow get property with enough space for a daily driver + a for fun manual... 🙄I'm just glad I'm in a fun car for once and out of my econobox for a cheap price.
Not to mention that the GR86 I got seemed to be literally the last one in the whole of Southern California. Sure, let me just get a manual 86 even though they don't exist in a 300 mile radius of me.
@@Shoelid sounds to me like the problem here is living in California by your own admission 🤷♂️
@@ormand3000 Didn't ask to be born here 🙄🙄🙄
2:44 lol it actually does not anymore. You can clearly see it in the clip they showed. (In reference to them saying you can still see the 86 logo on startup)
I'm looking forward to checking one out. This could be the next car. Or, we'll see what the GR-Four brings to the table. :D
GR Four?
Meh, enjoy your 34k car with 184 lb-ft.
Thank you guys so much for your reviews on this masterpiece of a car...im lookin to pick one up summer of 2023 and personally im cant wait and im so excited for this car.
Chris, I own a sleek black, manual shift, 2017 ‘86 and absolutely love my sports car. My very first car was a used, 1977 manual shift Toyota Corolla and when I got behind the wheel of the ‘86 all the manual shift “feel” came back to me.. like I’d never left standard shift. Bought it in Jan.2018 for $30 G’s. It’s a blast to drive & peel out on occasion :) I also love the retro feel & look of the interior. There are no bells & whistles and that’s just fine with me (less to break down & maintain). I hope you get the 2023 you hope for. You won’t be sorry.
@@turquoisetoes Thanks for sharing ma'am...im so excited i cant wait, this will be my first brand new car iv ever bought 😁
THIS LOOKS VERY UGLY ON ROAD....THESE VIDEOS ARE MADE FROM A CERTAIN ANGLE
Stop making me want to buy one of these! ...So....hard....to .....resist
the car is so great.
And in Germany the car is already sold out for 2022
That says everything
I need to wait now to 2023 on the waiting list :(
Sorry to hear, I preordered mine early this month, I might get it this year, october.
I went from a 2013 FRS to a 2006 Cayman S and am considering a 2022 GR86 next. I’d be very interested to see this compared to a 987. Thanks for the great content!
I sold my Porsche 2009 Boxster S which is a 987.2 it had a PDK transmission and I had all season continentals on it. I bought a 2022 Gr86 manual transmission. One of my main reason for this was having the ability to recline the seat in the GR 86 and having easy access to the rear seat area for luggage food etc. The GRE 86 kicks into a slide much easier than the boxer ever did and the Porsche being an S model with 310 horse was definitely quicker and faster ,but the GR 86 has plenty of power so I’m fine there.
Antonio, would you mind sharing your reasons for moving away from the Cayman? Maintenance costs?
Todd Smith While my Cayman (110k miles) may be my favorite car I’ve ever owned there are things I miss about about my old FRS. Besides how much fun it was to have the tail step out in a a controlled manner and the obvious practicality of having a foldable back seat, I miss track days.The 987.1 is known for oil starvation issues and is a real gamble on the track. There are fixes but taking the cost and risk into consideration along with the lack of a LSD, the risk out ways the reward. The improved performance of the already track ready GR86 along with a warranty makes for a compelling consideration for the GR86 at its price point.
I might switch from a 07 Cayman S too if the GR86 lives up to the hype when I drive it. So far no dealer is giving out test drives as any car they receive is already sold as a pre-order
Question for a future video, after the weather gets warmer and the shocks get more compliant: Because Paul and Todd have praised the Fiesta ST repeatedly and have driven it quite a bit, I'd be interested to hear how they compare its ride to the GR86's. I've had a FiST as a daily driver for five years and still love it, except for its ride, which can be punishing on bad urban roadways especially. The one current car I'd considering dumping the ST for is the GR86, but only if it rides better. Also, please keep us posted on your real-world MPG.
We had a crazy snowy and cold winter in Canada this year. My brz did pretty well, with snow tires of course. There were some uncomfortable situations especially driving on snowed in or icy highway, the light weight plays against you. But being careful and having traction control on helped me drive through this winter without any problems, even though the car was definately not build for this it did fine
Here in Quebec, I've been driving FRS/BRZ all year round since 2014 and I love my car during winter, it's so much fun !! And driving during a snowstorm, being low means that you don't feel the wind. Of course I didn't lower the car, but stock suspension means you have more ground clearance than an Echo 😂
I also drive my 86 in winter in Canada and in fact I drove rwd car though all the winters (370z Camaro ss). Honestly with good winter tires I never have any problems except in the parking lot with deep snow. I never have my traction control on and it really teaches me with throttle modulation.
@@nicolas277 mais Québec fait toujours un mauvais travail pour enlever la neige
@@itchyonion3559 Where do you live? I live in Shawinigan and there's always snows here... much more than when I lived in montreal... I'm not sure how confortable I'd be driving a RWD on snowstorm days...
@@Rastaboulotte Montreal and Ottawa, I was literally on highway during the biggest snowstorm. I think as long as don’t get stuck on your driveways then you should be fine. Also be careful with the throttle if you don’t have your tc on. I think it’s manageable with good winter tires, especially at low speed you will not find it scary at all
Great review good camera work from a drone ?
you've now managed to make me want this even more, didn't think that was possible.
I can really appreciate the adverse driving conditions you live & drove in using the 86. Great info sharing how we can getthe best exp out of hearing the actual engine sounds
Thank you, so much, for talking about winter tires vs drive type. I'm in SLC, and have driven rear wheel drive sports cars with winter tires through all conditions. It felt so much more controlled than when I drove AWD cars with all-seasons.
We wish everyone had first hand experience with how great Winter tires can be. Thanks for watching!
I just got mine. I am an older dude. I like the engine sound as is. Maybe I will change my mind. I don't want a fart can exhaust and draw attention. Gives me the feeling without people looking at me like I am having a mid life crisis.
Great video thanks guys, this car continues to impress. You might not need an exhaust, but every Subaru boxer should have UEL headers, that Subie rumble is too good to miss out on.
🤢 leave that to the WRX boys..
@@patrickbateman7122 WRX boys haven’t been able to rumble in some time now due to the FA20 / twin-scroll turbo setup on the newer gens
@@brettlarson912 i didn't know that tbf 🤣👍
@@brettlarson912 you can get uels for it.
@@patrickbateman7122 Hey, you put on the Gold wheels! I'd argue that your GR 86/BRX is an NA WRX Coupe.
10:09 lol I live in Canada and drive an 80s v8 mustang in winter
Great video as always! It’s a pleasure to watch your channel you guys really know about cars, being a car and off road enthusiast myself I can appreciate it. The reviews you do are based on real use and application of the vehicle(s). Keep up it up.
Cheers from Toronto, 🇨🇦
Todd, were you a radio DJ back in the 90s? Your voice sounds very familiar
Love this car. I want to check one out in person. I do also love my ND1 Miata soft top.
Why not a 2021-22 Audi TT RS Quattro?
Are you guys still on 18” wheels with the OZs? I’m really considering selling my M2 competition for one of these. Love the idea of a 2800 lb more manageable and simplified enthusiast car
Me too. Thinking about selling my OG M2 for same reasons
How do you get from "[the car] is held in a special area with a fire-suppression system" to "the car has already been redlined"? What special area? What do they do there? Why does it have a fire-suppression system? What are you talking about??
At the end of the assembly line, new cars are started for the first time. There’s a fire suppression system in case of a problem and if there’s going to be an engine problem they want it to happen then. Thus redline on startup is not uncommon. Thanks for watching.
@@EverydayDriver Got it. Thank you for the reply.
BMW M2?? It is turbo, but it's also manual and RWD.
I have a 2005 legacy NA, and it sounds similar to that car. I love it to be quiet cruising and when you trash it, it come to live... but I recently changed the transmission mount for a group N and the noise has increased (mainly casue of vibrations) and it´s so so good... even mine it´s not so sporty ahahahahh. Love your videos guys!!!
Great review. Also, wow. Your country's so beautiful.
The new GR Corolla will be an interesting comp; hope you get to side-by-side those two. Between the exotica in the specs and things like 14" brakes, I suspect the GR will cost more. But if the Corolla is close the the GR Yaris, the whole rally car type of package should be something.
I'm curious about this as well, since I plan on cross-shopping the GR Corolla with the GR86/BRZ
The first 86/ brz air conditioning was awful and there were lots of vibrational sounds coming from the trunk because it had no sound deadening, how does the new generation fix this? I sold my brz because the rattles, extreme loud road noise and bad air conditioning drove me crazy
I love the Neptune blue agree in a truck/suv world 2800 lbs is a glorious thing. People have forgotten we live on a planet with gravity
After seeing a LOT of reviews for the GR 86, because I love it 🥰, I became soo sick of that speaker, and when I listen to yours with no pipped in sound I finally feel at peace ❤️😩🙌🏻
Just bought a GR86 Premium. Wasn't completely aware of the break in period procedure but I knew it takes time for the engine to break in... YE$, I $HOULD have read the manual (I am now)...
My point is, I've gone on some speed sprees on back roads but nothing over 6KRPM and never for sustained periods, just 5-1O seconds here and there... roadster driving...
I'm mostly driving her like a lil 'ole 7Oy/o school teacher until I hit 1,5OOK-2K miles (currently at around 5OO miles right now)... but I still throttle over 4K for a second here and there and vary my change up and down-shift during my daily drives.
Seems I'm driving it like you described. I get a little burning smell now and then when briefly going over 4K for a few seconds but nothing alarming.
Would you say I am I in a good place? Or should I be even more ginger or more adventurous?
Sygt at køre i en sommer bil .. nå det er vinter :/
While I can get one yet, this has totally sold me on getting one. Man it looks fun!
I love my 2018. It's pretty much bone stock. The new gen does look like the real deal and perfect improvement. Hope ppl buy these. They're such fun and easy to live with cars.
2 weeks in my halo white gr86. Man this car is so much fun. Agree, power is overrated. Light and small. FYI. There are 3, not 2 squirts for the windshield. It’s so nice to get the windshield clean quick. Also still own my 2018 brz. Why gr86? Simple. Who just won 2022 Le Mans? Not Subaru.
I can't believe that Toyota - of all manufacturers - now offers (or soon will) not one, but TWO cars I genuinely want to own!!! This GR86 (which I realize is more Subaru than Toyota, but still) - and the upcoming GR Corolla (pure 100% Toyota)! Two very different cars (turbo AWD 4-door hot hatch vs n/a RWD 2-door coupe), but two (presumably) very FUN cars. I currently drive a C6 Corvette Grand Sport - which is without a doubt faster than both of these cars in every way, but I doubt that it's as much FUN. My previous car was an NB Miata... and I miss it. The 'Vette is a BLAST for sure - and it looks and sounds better, but it's just SO capable, that you can't really push its limits on your daily drive on public roads without reaching go-directly-to-jail (or kill yourself) speeds. It's very comfortable, but, dare I say - boring - at normal speeds... whereas you can have a ball wringing out cars like this GR86 in normal driving without worrying about losing your license. I've come to realize that, unless you're competing on a track, cars like this are the way to go for pure fun/ driving pleasure. I can't decide which one I want more.
If you guys are bringing up the Supra 2.0 and a used Cayman, why not the 230i M-Sport.
That's what I'm trading my Veloster N for. The N is fun in the right circumstances but it's a plastic box that's a horrible daily/commuter. I traded my FR-S for the N for the same reasons. Live and learn.
I wish we all had the time/money/space for a weekend car. If I did I would pick the GR86 over the N, GTI, CTR, and Supra 2.0 for sure. Looking forward to more vids with this car. Keep it up!
I love the BRX/GR86. However, I drove pocket rockets the bulk of my life and NOTHING puts a smile on my face like my 500 horsepower beast of a Mustang that goes very fast in a straight line, which is a joy I could never know in a GR86. My ride is also manual and sounds great.
Meh...All I see are annoying kids with huge, wheels , even more annoying fart cans driving this car, but to be expected at this price point which is obviously a budget price sport coupe NOT a sports car per say. Compare it with a Cayman? Seriously that's like what 3 times the price haha umm ok.. Even a VW R, q60, RC, Z or Supra would be twice to 3 times the price. My 991 base Carrera would buy me how much of these Toyota's I wonder? JK JK just a bit of sarcasm. But seriously how many people get revved by some kid with a BRZ or 86 at least once? ; )
6:20 what are you saying Paul? I do not follow. Why does the car being held in an area with a fire suppression system mean that the manufacturer already redlined the engine? I'm not debating either of those points I'm just confused how they relate to each other. (Maybe it's not you, maybe it's the editor *cough* Todd).
I owned a first gen BRZ and, sadly, I had to return it because of check engine / stalling over and over. I LOVED that car so much I went through a full tank of gas on the first day. It broke my heart.. ended up with an older WRX 2008 till that started some crazy CEL issues too and well.. Lived in Mass at the time and you can't pass inspection with a busted CEL and nothing would fix it. So.. long story short, I thought I'd be a forever Subaru gal, but I cannot wait to test drive this car. Been driving a 2016 Camry XSE and just found out I can get for trade exactly what I paid for it 3 years ago. WOO!!
Idk guys, the more I add HP to my car the more fun I'm having!
Hello, I had the chance the put my hand on brz here in Belgium.. only 10 have been available in the country!
I like the rims you put on your 86 and if I made no mistake they are OZ leggera 18x8?? My question is do you know the offset for this one because 45 and 35 are available. I would like to go to 35 but the dealer says it won’t fit..
Thx in advance
Sylvain
you guys are giing me more reasons to get this as my first proper car, I live in Canada and you guys prove the use in the winter for this car well.
Just make sure you buy a proper set of winters and put em on ahead of time and you'll be fine. Support the fun to drive Toyotas!
Why not anything else? Because this car is better.
Dont forget, You'll need to review and compare the GR86 to the soon announced GR Corolla! I think i have my mind set on this with the same color! It stands out, performs at its best, and is very customizable. Would be my first.
Great reviews as always. Very informative and fun.
Blah blah blah all this and not one one word of CAN TC AND VSC BE FULLY !!! TURNED OFF not 80% not 90% but 100% all the dam way off and no pedal dance did not fully remove them in the previous car. I'm sick and tired of new cars full of electronic nannys that can never be turned all the way off.
I just want to enhance your comment on the Nokia Hakkapalittas. I have a set on my present vehicle, and love them, but years ago with my 1987 CRXsi, a less then 2000 pound vehicle, with a set of original Hakkas, I had zero worries in the snow, I felt in total control. Also I live in Ontario, Canada and in a snow belt. Lots of snow, slush etc. My first three cars were RWD, and I can't wait to get into another one soon, with a BRZ/GR86.
This summer can y'all please get your hands on a stock(ish) 370 (non NISMO) and do a comparison to the GR86 on street and track. Because with the new Z coming out, I assume prices for 370s will drop and people looking for a naturally aspirated RWD, manual Japanese sports coupe will be able to get a well maintained 370Z for the same or maybe less than a new GR86. Thats a great comparison.
Just did an Autotempest search Nationwide for the GR86 manual. THREE RESULTS. 😒
If you guys DO decide to run an aftermarket exhaust, go with the UEL headers to get the Subi rumble, and use a stealth or street version of a muffler so the noise is mild, not loud. Tone instead of loudness.
Couldn't agree more about power... power is killing the sport cars. I had a 2007 base Boxster and traded in for a TT RS... barely 2 weeks in, I regretted it deeply. 2 months later I dumped the TT and got a 2010 base Boxster which I will be buried in when I die... I will never make THAT mistake again!
Great car it’s just to small for me being a drummer. Drive the manual Veloster N, always been a hot hatch person.
Are the Subaru boxer engines reliable for long term ownership? I have been told to expect problems at 60-80k miles by my mechanic son-n-law. I personally don't know anything about them. Any other manual shift new vehicles recommended? Can't do a Miata, too small for my needs!