Alex, the oil starve issue on the 2.4 is not due to the RTV. This has been proven already. There is a bunch of content out already that addresses this. See 9000brz, Verus engineering and a podcast by a Canadian time attack driver ( RUclips channel Driver’s Paddock ) that have discussed this in detail. I see this rtv theory get passed around on social media and it’s just bad information. Fixing the rtv, using a thicker oil and adding an oil cooler will not solve the issue. The oil overfill seems to be the main solution and that’s why verus is developing a larger capacity pan.
Accusump seems to be the only viable option for tracking the FA 2.4 at this point. Faulty oil pickup design. Will void the shit out of your warranty, though.
@@francostrong202 once again, check out content from people who track and log their oil pressures like @9000brz accumsump is not the answer. Overfill and larger cap oil pan is showing the results.
thank you Frank, i returned to this video to opinionate w/o trolling. my assessment of my accumulative RUclips consumption on this subject is, when you drop the oil pan, you are introducing more human error where, the cause of the oil starvation and the excessive RTV have not been conclusively correlated. please also watch FlatironsTuning and CM Autohaus also.
I’ve blown three stock brz motors, why am I here still loving this platform??…. Also first I totally understand everyone saying it was my fault, motor one was killed by a botched oil change at the dealership(dude literally just didn’t put oil back in and I didn’t check my dip stick like a trustful fool) but when I brought it to them for a new motor under warranty they did a rush job, so motor two got piston slap around 300(not 3k) miles, so then I obviously take it to another dealer who didn’t want to replace the entire block but did tell me it had trans pan sealant used to seal the block instead of fujibond, 12/16 of the valves were out of spec with some being over double the size, even the damn engine cover fell off and melted on my exhaust…….. even after all the they were lazy, only replaced the heads, motor three had piston slap yet again… I gave up, got a lemon law lawyer, won and let them buy back the car for more than I paid for it….. I only had the car for 10k miles and 8 months(minus 3 months in the shop) I’d love to get another one some day but I can’t trust the car until I learn to wrench my own and have a larger emergency fund
I absolutely love my 2024 BRZ Limited. I got it for sticker price; with a few months wait. I ordered it exactly as I wanted. I only drive 4-5k miles a year; I’m retired. I intend on taking car of the car and changing the oil every 3k or 6 months (whichever comes first). I have zero regrets buying this car❣️
I’ve seen multiple videos showing cleaning of the RTV and only see pieces, never a blocked screen and talking screen, it’s a boxed 5 sided screen, impossible to block !! Yes, oil pressure drops on extreme right hand turns and extreme track racing ! But for the street it’s all about fun and engaging drive. Love my 2023 BRZ ❤️
The RTV is not the reason for engine failure. The pickup tube has 5 sides to it, even with one entire side blocked by RTV its been found to still work fine. The boxer engine found in the BR86, along with its weird orientation of the oil pickup tube, causes a lack of oil to be sucked up during cornering, especially for prolonged right turns. Add the fact that it can’t hold much oil to begin with, and you see frequent oil pressure drops that cause damage if done frequently. Not to mention subi engines love consuming oil. Oil consuming engine, flat boxer engine design, low oil capacity = lack of oil in engine. Overfilling slightly has fixed this issue almost entirely, it seems.
RTV ain't it. The oil strainer at the top of the pickup tube is a five-sided screen. Even if the top is fully blocked and sealed, which it never is, oil can still get pumped through the sides.
Back in the day Honda never made a fix for the dseries motor. The aftermarket industry tried but there are just limitations to certain motors, unless you spend major money on oil system upgrades. That’s one reason for motor swaps in Hondas becoming so prominent in among Civics, along with more power, better freeway cruising speeds, and reliability. Sounds similar, again why these have a bunch of swapped motors already.
comparing this to a 240z makes me wanna see gr86 with an elongated front end. add like, half a foot or something, maybe give it a longnose bumper redesign,,,
Whether the RTV issues were overblown or not, I went ahead and cleaned it up while I was replacing the oil pan anyway (previous dealer stripped the oil pan threads for the plug). Nice to have the peace of mind that the correct amount of sealant was put on and the pickup was cleaned of any silicone :)
it's not the rtv. the oil pan is simply too small. the volume of oil is inadequate for higher G force turns. the best fix for a stock car is to overfill the motor by maybe like 1 quart or maybe less. if you are tracking the car you are at risk. otherwise driving normally you have nothing to worry about.
@@c.b.7791 Oh, I know. Like I said, it’s just a safety measure. Since I was already replacing the pan, I figured why not just clean up the RTV at the same time? I also overfill the oil by like a quart or so with every change too.
Hey I went to your website and one of the most important things I am not finding which is the weight of the wheels! Am I missing that? Can you make that an option for search?
I wish I could buy the car.... With EVERYTHING, but the engine long block. Like I want the pipes and hoses and harness. I'll just put a different 4cyl in there.
And have a worse center of gravity, and remove a safety feature in which the engine detaches and slides under the car in extreme collisions. That festure made the gr86 the only car to get a perfect safety score with the brand new safety ratings in 2024. Nobody ever talks about it though.
@@Treaxvour I'd put a 13b in it. And a full NASA spec roll cage, I'm not worried about safety ratings. Also I think this is the wrong RUclips channel comments to send these kind of replies. "We" don't care, because we talking racecar
Maybe you should bring in someone that understands how a motor works... "Glued together?" You do know that every oil pan on cars at this price point rely on sealants for parts like the oil pan?
As other comments have said, gotta stop with the misinformation regarding RTV. Please do your research and don't just go by word of mouth by other media.
Lose the boxer engine and I wouldn't mind financing one. Makes no sense to get sodomized by the bank every month to either drive a grenade that might or might not already have the pin removed or spending more money on a car that you're already making monthly payments on.
It's a poor man's sports car. With the price of upwards 40k, I rather buy an older 2016-2018 M2. I get it, used vs new, but then again, not paying $40k for a slow ass car lol.
@@kuvyoghmoobamelica6883 it is true,poor sport man car,but reminds me old time car since I bought a brand new m3c. older 2016-2018 m2 used one just like got fucked so many time cars,I will keep it away
I got to ride with the top drivers in their class multiple times a new ND4 (?) Miata and a GR86. These two guys kept trading for best times, what stood out to me when trying to decide what i liked better is as a more experienced driver myself the GR86, not just its driver as i did ride in a few driven by others, was MUCH more playful. Now if you wanted to go fast with NO Drama then the Miata is absolute peak, a different level of smooth, with the GR86 you have to work to get the most out of it but personally i love that. Both are great but that was the distinction. Also fun fact i got to chat with both together multiple times, and apparently they were more or less running near identical front and rear spring rates, so it was really just the differences in everything else, even when modified the characters of the cars remain very distinct. Where i will give the Miata a shout out is i still feel if you are at road speeds just cruising around it has a bit more a sense of fun without pushing it. Ignoring its a convertible, the seating position and view out, the sense of speed is just better, 25 in a miata and 35 in a GR86 feel similar which is the one gripe i have with the GR86. Few other small things too the Miata is still more fun for any sort of chill driving, but the wheel-sawing nature the GR86/BRZ demand to get the best out of them at the limit is just too addictive if you are into that, its very "rally" be it on smooth tarmac or not and i love that about it so much it would make me default to it between the two, despite its oiling issues. If i bought a GR86 and replaced the seats i would actually be looking into raising them as much as possible rather then being "snug", as that is a big part of what slows down the sense of speed, probably just not even replace them if i bought one with upward adjustment, as not being able to see directly over your hood or out the sides and downward essentially is what causes that effect. With that it would be perfect streetable track car imo.
This is exactly the video I was hoping to see. I would love to see a "20 minutes of useless information" video on the MR2 or Celica because they're they're coming relatively soon.
After my Miata got totaled I was looking at a 2016 Subaru BRZ, the chassis to me was impressive but the torque curve was not to my liking. That was it, I ended up with another Miata. We’re lucky to have both cars in the market. Maybe one day I’ll get a BRZ or GR86 with the 2.4 but right now the price difference was just too much compared to the 2.0.
The GR 86 is my favorite car ever. It is just unmatched in its dynamics and fun, not just for the price, I genuinely think the only things above the 86 are some Porsches and the Emira. This is all of that at a price we can reach. God bless Toyota and Subaru for that.
I’ve put 3500 miles on my 24 premium w/ brembos in the last month and it’s all been smiles. You gotta buy the cheap sports cars if you want companies to make more.
What winter tyres do you suggest? I am living in Estonia and we can get around -20C over here. I own 2024 premium GR 86 with stock wheels coming as 215/40/R18, rim 7.5. There are literally 0 studded tyre selection for this range and hardly any lamellar tyre options. And the ones that are available are meant for south europe where temperatures are not under 0C. I need tires for frost, not for just snow conditions. Thanks in advance!
So do i need a Trueno editoin if I want to learn track driving? Or, are one of the "base" models enough and moddable enough/per cost as my skill improves?
Your wheel specs recommendation is ass and your information about the rtv is wrong. Folks, if you want to keep things small and tight. Wheels specs recommendation would be 18x8 et48 or 45 with 225/40, or 17x8 et48/45 with 225/45.
It’s dumb to have engine sounds sent through the stereo ,lol,and I don’t want an engine that’s going to blow up because it’s got oiling issues,..I’d rather have an old 240/260z with a built LS motor, or a 2jz ,I’m just not. Fn of weak motors..
Interesting that you don't like the look of the fatter tire on this car. I think 17x9 with 245/40R17's look very good on this platform. The 18's kind of "expose" how diminutive the OEM calipers and rotors are.
I just don’t really like that they named it the GR86. Like i respect gazoo, but I’ve only heard about them when this car and the GR Yaris came out and suddenly they’re all over Toyota. To the point of having a whole model named after them. There was nothing wrong with the name gt86
It’s not really named the gr86 it’s just 86. The gr is not the name it’s just the name of the Toyota performance division, just like the gr supra and gr corolla. They both are still just called supra and corolla.
You can buy a fairly new 370z cheaper instead of a BRZ/GR86 and it would probably be more reliable also why would you trust Toyota right now they don't stand behind they're sporty cars as in the recent news
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Alex, the oil starve issue on the 2.4 is not due to the RTV. This has been proven already. There is a bunch of content out already that addresses this. See 9000brz, Verus engineering and a podcast by a Canadian time attack driver ( RUclips channel Driver’s Paddock ) that have discussed this in detail. I see this rtv theory get passed around on social media and it’s just bad information. Fixing the rtv, using a thicker oil and adding an oil cooler will not solve the issue. The oil overfill seems to be the main solution and that’s why verus is developing a larger capacity pan.
Larger capacity pan and a slightly longer pickup tube might do very well
Accusump seems to be the only viable option for tracking the FA 2.4 at this point. Faulty oil pickup design. Will void the shit out of your warranty, though.
@@francostrong202 once again, check out content from people who track and log their oil pressures like @9000brz accumsump is not the answer. Overfill and larger cap oil pan is showing the results.
thank you Frank, i returned to this video to opinionate w/o trolling. my assessment of my accumulative RUclips consumption on this subject is, when you drop the oil pan, you are introducing more human error where, the cause of the oil starvation and the excessive RTV have not been conclusively correlated. please also watch FlatironsTuning and
CM Autohaus also.
everyone needs to do their 1st oil change before 1k miles. ideally between 500-750 miles.
Ive owned a GR86 for over 2 years now...one of the best decisions I ever made.
I’ve blown three stock brz motors, why am I here still loving this platform??…. Also first
I totally understand everyone saying it was my fault, motor one was killed by a botched oil change at the dealership(dude literally just didn’t put oil back in and I didn’t check my dip stick like a trustful fool) but when I brought it to them for a new motor under warranty they did a rush job, so motor two got piston slap around 300(not 3k) miles, so then I obviously take it to another dealer who didn’t want to replace the entire block but did tell me it had trans pan sealant used to seal the block instead of fujibond, 12/16 of the valves were out of spec with some being over double the size, even the damn engine cover fell off and melted on my exhaust…….. even after all the they were lazy, only replaced the heads, motor three had piston slap yet again… I gave up, got a lemon law lawyer, won and let them buy back the car for more than I paid for it….. I only had the car for 10k miles and 8 months(minus 3 months in the shop) I’d love to get another one some day but I can’t trust the car until I learn to wrench my own and have a larger emergency fund
How did you blow them??
Maintenance and proper mechanical empathy and respect will avoid this issue with almost all car motors, fyi
And not turning right with the fa24 😂@@angeloah
Time to get K24 was 2 engines ago 😂
@@PingWonBy being an idiot
I absolutely love my 2024 BRZ Limited. I got it for sticker price; with a few months wait. I ordered it exactly as I wanted. I only drive 4-5k miles a year; I’m retired. I intend on taking car of the car and changing the oil every 3k or 6 months (whichever comes first). I have zero regrets buying this car❣️
I’ve seen multiple videos showing cleaning of the RTV and only see pieces, never a blocked screen and talking screen, it’s a boxed 5 sided screen, impossible to block !! Yes, oil pressure drops on extreme right hand turns and extreme track racing ! But for the street it’s all about fun and engaging drive. Love my 2023 BRZ ❤️
The RTV is not the reason for engine failure. The pickup tube has 5 sides to it, even with one entire side blocked by RTV its been found to still work fine.
The boxer engine found in the BR86, along with its weird orientation of the oil pickup tube, causes a lack of oil to be sucked up during cornering, especially for prolonged right turns. Add the fact that it can’t hold much oil to begin with, and you see frequent oil pressure drops that cause damage if done frequently. Not to mention subi engines love consuming oil.
Oil consuming engine, flat boxer engine design, low oil capacity = lack of oil in engine.
Overfilling slightly has fixed this issue almost entirely, it seems.
Its actually direct and port injected if it matters to anybody
Toyota D4-S tech babyyyyyyyyy. I just wish it had some VVTi too
@@jaron95 it has vvti.
@@static7985 You right, mb lol
RTV ain't it. The oil strainer at the top of the pickup tube is a five-sided screen. Even if the top is fully blocked and sealed, which it never is, oil can still get pumped through the sides.
Back in the day Honda never made a fix for the dseries motor. The aftermarket industry tried but there are just limitations to certain motors, unless you spend major money on oil system upgrades. That’s one reason for motor swaps in Hondas becoming so prominent in among Civics, along with more power, better freeway cruising speeds, and reliability. Sounds similar, again why these have a bunch of swapped motors already.
I love this series - do you think you could do one for the GT86?
I got a 2019 86 TRD and i looove it. Had a 2013 FRS and blew up 3 heads under warranty andi returned it via lemon law so car was basically free hahaha
comparing this to a 240z makes me wanna see gr86 with an elongated front end. add like, half a foot or something, maybe give it a longnose bumper redesign,,,
Heck no, it’s front is long enough lmao
They're already discontinued here in Europe but I really want a Hakone Edition so I guess importing it is. Great video btw!
Thanks for the feature!
Whether the RTV issues were overblown or not, I went ahead and cleaned it up while I was replacing the oil pan anyway (previous dealer stripped the oil pan threads for the plug). Nice to have the peace of mind that the correct amount of sealant was put on and the pickup was cleaned of any silicone :)
it's not the rtv. the oil pan is simply too small. the volume of oil is inadequate for higher G force turns. the best fix for a stock car is to overfill the motor by maybe like 1 quart or maybe less. if you are tracking the car you are at risk. otherwise driving normally you have nothing to worry about.
@@c.b.7791 Oh, I know. Like I said, it’s just a safety measure. Since I was already replacing the pan, I figured why not just clean up the RTV at the same time? I also overfill the oil by like a quart or so with every change too.
Are you going to cover Toyota entering Australia's Supercar Championship with a homologated V8 Supra?
love this car but i literally pulled my dipstick out today and found rtv. the anxiety of owning it is lowkey horrifying
Hey I went to your website and one of the most important things I am not finding which is the weight of the wheels! Am I missing that? Can you make that an option for search?
I wish I could buy the car.... With EVERYTHING, but the engine long block. Like I want the pipes and hoses and harness. I'll just put a different 4cyl in there.
And have a worse center of gravity, and remove a safety feature in which the engine detaches and slides under the car in extreme collisions. That festure made the gr86 the only car to get a perfect safety score with the brand new safety ratings in 2024. Nobody ever talks about it though.
@@Treaxvour I'd put a 13b in it. And a full NASA spec roll cage, I'm not worried about safety ratings. Also I think this is the wrong RUclips channel comments to send these kind of replies. "We" don't care, because we talking racecar
It would be cool if Toyota put the turbo charged 3 cylinder engine that is in the GR Yaris into the GR86
Maybe you should bring in someone that understands how a motor works... "Glued together?" You do know that every oil pan on cars at this price point rely on sealants for parts like the oil pan?
E46 please
As other comments have said, gotta stop with the misinformation regarding RTV. Please do your research and don't just go by word of mouth by other media.
Lose the boxer engine and I wouldn't mind financing one. Makes no sense to get sodomized by the bank every month to either drive a grenade that might or might not already have the pin removed or spending more money on a car that you're already making monthly payments on.
20 mins on the gr supra
The engine power is too weak, my daily is around 260ish hp and i still feel lacking of power
I just bought a 2024 GR86 with 6MT and I love it. One of the best looking cars on the road.
It's a poor man's sports car. With the price of upwards 40k, I rather buy an older 2016-2018 M2. I get it, used vs new, but then again, not paying $40k for a slow ass car lol.
@@kuvyoghmoobamelica6883 it is true,poor sport man car,but reminds me old time car since I bought a brand new m3c. older 2016-2018 m2 used one just like got fucked so many time cars,I will keep it away
The GR corolla and Yaris look better in my opinion
@@kuvyoghmoobamelica6883 its 30k but tbh its more of a buy 4 years later used for 15k
@@kuvyoghmoobamelica6883 mine was $31k brand new off the showroom floor. $5k for a HKS supercharger still under $40k for 400hp on E85
2 points
- the redline is 7.400 rpm/min
- it has dual injection meaning port fuel injection and direct injection
Otherwise great video 👌🏻 love my GR86
Fixing the RTV issue does not fix the oil starvation when tracking the car.
yea RTV is just not an issue. the oil pan/ pickup design is the problem. overfilling on oil helps and baffle plates seem to be hit or miss
@@turbo________thank goodness for the brz9000 guy 😭🙏
@@blaydv2242 YES! I love that guy. actually backs up what he says
I got to ride with the top drivers in their class multiple times a new ND4 (?) Miata and a GR86. These two guys kept trading for best times, what stood out to me when trying to decide what i liked better is as a more experienced driver myself the GR86, not just its driver as i did ride in a few driven by others, was MUCH more playful. Now if you wanted to go fast with NO Drama then the Miata is absolute peak, a different level of smooth, with the GR86 you have to work to get the most out of it but personally i love that. Both are great but that was the distinction. Also fun fact i got to chat with both together multiple times, and apparently they were more or less running near identical front and rear spring rates, so it was really just the differences in everything else, even when modified the characters of the cars remain very distinct.
Where i will give the Miata a shout out is i still feel if you are at road speeds just cruising around it has a bit more a sense of fun without pushing it. Ignoring its a convertible, the seating position and view out, the sense of speed is just better, 25 in a miata and 35 in a GR86 feel similar which is the one gripe i have with the GR86. Few other small things too the Miata is still more fun for any sort of chill driving, but the wheel-sawing nature the GR86/BRZ demand to get the best out of them at the limit is just too addictive if you are into that, its very "rally" be it on smooth tarmac or not and i love that about it so much it would make me default to it between the two, despite its oiling issues.
If i bought a GR86 and replaced the seats i would actually be looking into raising them as much as possible rather then being "snug", as that is a big part of what slows down the sense of speed, probably just not even replace them if i bought one with upward adjustment, as not being able to see directly over your hood or out the sides and downward essentially is what causes that effect. With that it would be perfect streetable track car imo.
ND3*
This is exactly the video I was hoping to see. I would love to see a "20 minutes of useless information" video on the MR2 or Celica because they're they're coming relatively soon.
We still get lunch vids even though Alex is in Japan 💪💪 thanks boys
Man, I hate to say this but the video is kinda filled with outdated information, its a little misleading at times too
God I wish Honda would work with Toyota instead, pop in a robust K24-esque engine pushing ~240-250hp. Would be golden.
Yeah like a hard top s2000
Its already pushing 240-250 crank, the dyno sheets we seen have been as long as 204 whp and 216 whp
As much as the s2000
After my Miata got totaled I was looking at a 2016 Subaru BRZ, the chassis to me was impressive but the torque curve was not to my liking. That was it, I ended up with another Miata. We’re lucky to have both cars in the market. Maybe one day I’ll get a BRZ or GR86 with the 2.4 but right now the price difference was just too much compared to the 2.0.
the miata is superior. straight up.
I miss my 86 so much after losing it in an accident last march.
Get another
The GR 86 is my favorite car ever. It is just unmatched in its dynamics and fun, not just for the price, I genuinely think the only things above the 86 are some Porsches and the Emira.
This is all of that at a price we can reach. God bless Toyota and Subaru for that.
I’ve put 3500 miles on my 24 premium w/ brembos in the last month and it’s all been smiles. You gotta buy the cheap sports cars if you want companies to make more.
Any thoughts on the GR86 and BRZ being discontinued in Europe? What would it mean for the future of the vehicle?
Dealer told me it would cost me $1500 to drop the oil pan and check the pickup filter
Still dont understand why people buy Subi. They keep giving you guys the same crap
we need a "20 Minutes Of Useless ND miata"
Yall should do a video on the Kia Stinger/Genesis platform.
PLEAAAAASE do a video on the Volvo p1 platform
Be great if i fit in one. Im a huge dude 6'5" and im sitting on the seat
What winter tyres do you suggest? I am living in Estonia and we can get around -20C over here. I own 2024 premium GR 86 with stock wheels coming as 215/40/R18, rim 7.5. There are literally 0 studded tyre selection for this range and hardly any lamellar tyre options. And the ones that are available are meant for south europe where temperatures are not under 0C. I need tires for frost, not for just snow conditions. Thanks in advance!
They would recommend their sponsor brand, Continental
So do i need a Trueno editoin if I want to learn track driving? Or, are one of the "base" models enough and moddable enough/per cost as my skill improves?
listened further in...so i can get a base and add stuff to make it sharper, faster etc
Day 51
How to modify a kei truck
We need 20 mins of useless Kei truck facts
Your wheel specs recommendation is ass and your information about the rtv is wrong. Folks, if you want to keep things small and tight. Wheels specs recommendation would be 18x8 et48 or 45 with 225/40, or 17x8 et48/45 with 225/45.
It’s dumb to have engine sounds sent through the stereo ,lol,and I don’t want an engine that’s going to blow up because it’s got oiling issues,..I’d rather have an old 240/260z with a built LS motor, or a 2jz ,I’m just not. Fn of weak motors..
Interesting that you don't like the look of the fatter tire on this car. I think 17x9 with 245/40R17's look very good on this platform. The 18's kind of "expose" how diminutive the OEM calipers and rotors are.
HAD MY TRUENO EDITION GR86 SINCE MARCH. LOVE HITTING THE CORNERS! 🙌🏽
NAMASTE 🙏🏽 FROM BROOKLYN.
I would get the new 86/FRS/BRZ but moneys...😬
😆 Its ok i will enjoy them over here 😆
Different rear ends for each model on the new generations was an odd decision to me.
20min of useless info on the Pontiac Fiero GT pls 🙏🏽
Why didn’t RUclips show me this video yesterday?
Id like to hate it but I just have to love it😂❤
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I just don’t really like that they named it the GR86. Like i respect gazoo, but I’ve only heard about them when this car and the GR Yaris came out and suddenly they’re all over Toyota. To the point of having a whole model named after them. There was nothing wrong with the name gt86
It’s not really named the gr86 it’s just 86. The gr is not the name it’s just the name of the Toyota performance division, just like the gr supra and gr corolla. They both are still just called supra and corolla.
You can buy a fairly new 370z cheaper instead of a BRZ/GR86 and it would probably be more reliable also why would you trust Toyota right now they don't stand behind they're sporty cars as in the recent news
NISMO 370z > GR86
Selling my stock 13 FRS
Such a fun car.. could use a little more oomf.