I think the difference in Stand and Persona design to me is “A Stand’s design might focus more to its ability, whereas a Persona’s design might focus more on its inspirations.” At least that’s my take
One thing about persona's designs is that it takes in the user's thought and belief, Persona 4 is the epitome of this. Soejima said in a interview that when he designed the P4 Personas he didn't rely on how the gods/characters traditionally looked in the myths. He think of how would a Japanese highschooler would think of when they hear the name of these characters. Izanagi is personification of masculinity and Jiraya is just what Yosuke thought is cool
Of course, the origins can't be completely ommited, so Personas also incorporate at least one detail from the character's original story into the design. Take Futaba's Persona, Necronomicon, for example. The Necronomicon is known for housing knowledge on all sorts of Lovecraftian deities and Eldritch creatures, so despite the Persona not exactly being a book, the eldritch horror aspect is incorporated into it's design by having extendable tentacle-like appendages, a trait most commonly associated with the deity Cthulu. The cosmic horror aspect is also taken literally, with the persona itself being moreso based on a stereotypical UFO in overall appearance. To put it simply, the design of a Persona tends to play more loosely with it's inspiration by utilizing details from things related to the subject matter rather than the subject matter itself. However, with the right combination of loosely-tied details, you'll eventually get a design that clearly conveys exactly what the Persona is based on. It's like a game of 20 Questions, but the questions asked influence how the correct answer is depicted.
One of the biggest points is that Araki needs to draw these stands individually every time they appear while personas in modern games just need to have concept art and official art, and then once the in-game model is created, it'll be ready to move how the game needs, so far more intricate designs can be created. Not that stands are less detailed, but looking at how varied one part of most personas' designs is compared to stands which flow relatively well with their own parts, it's easy to see the difference.
To me, a stand seems like it could be a sentient alien, capable of consciousness. They also seem to be more abstract in a way. Meanwhile, personas seem more magical. A persona would have to be magical, just based on it's design, regardless of background. Personas are also built in a way that makes them seem like a all-rounder. While stands are built for a purpose or specific usage/power.
Fun Fact: stands would possibly be aliens, for some of them who was awakened from the arrow that was crafted from an asteroid with an alien virus on it. Except for the naturally awakened like Polnareff or Abdul born with the Stand awakened or Joestar bloodline with the bond of the birthmark (maybe in that case was also the arrow's fault, it's headcanon that Dio's servants obtained the arrows and uses them for awakening the stands and piercing Jonathan's body all the bloodline reacted to that awakening the stands).
@@il3fortunato664 to my knowledge the asteroid and the arrows are the reason why stands exist in the original timeline. Even those who naturally gain a stand/have one since birth can be explained by a ancestor getting shoot by an arrow. Granted that doesn't explain Hermit Purple or Pearl Jam. One where comes from an already supernatural ability hamon/Ripple and the other is from the mastery of an art.
@@dustgraystone9448 yeah it makes sense. There's a lot of characters that developed a stand from mastering an ability, like Rohan for his mangas or SPOILER Johnny for the Tusk's acts
The key difference I always found is Personas (at least party member and default protagonist ones) are pretty much universally humanoid with only really Futaba breaking this rule, meanwhile Stands can be everything from humanoid to a radio tower. Even comparing the humanoid ones, Personas tend to be a little more visually busy than the humanoid Stands. Compare Arsene to Gold Experience and there's a lot more going on with Arsene in terms of stuff on the body. Gold Experience and other humanoid Stands look very "Silver Age comic book hero outfit" looking like they are a person in skintight colourful spandex
Cerberus, Johanna, Nemesis, isis, Pithos. Though 2 of them do become humanoid eventually I will still count them because they didn’t always look that way. And I’m not sure if Io counts as a humanoid Edit: nvm I was misremembering how nemesis looks like
that last point makes a lot of sense considering how araki had to account for weekly drawings of his design, so making them too busy and stylized would have been a pain to do consistently, and even worse for animators of part 5. while personas are really stylized and more cool in a sense(I've never played, but those designs look pretty sick ngl), and it shines in the 3d models, which also saves time on having to "redo" the design over and over.
There's a funny meme that I can't find right now where it shows Araki using his 'Pattented Stand Power Idea Creator' where he uses a random search on Wikipedia to find a random ability for a stand and I like that idea to bring creativity to the designs of stands as well
When designing fan stands, I lean more into the lyrics of the song itself and aesthetic elements from album and single covers. Killer Queen and Kira have lots of aspects of the lyrics "Gunpowder, gelatine Dynamite with a laser beam Guaranteed to blow your mind" "To avoid complications She never kept the same address In conversation She spoke just like a baroness" "Drop of a hat she's as willing as Playful as a pussycat"
I think with persona it comes down to the theme of them. 3 being Greek alot of them look like statues or regal in appearance. 4 being Japanese they all based off of Japanese tropes or characters. 5 being famous thieves they all look sly or mysterious.
For me personally, I think of it like this: Stands look humanoid, while Personas look human. Like for most Personas you could feasibly strip away all the fluff and have a normal person, and while Stands look close to human, they're always off in some way
The main thing that sticks out to me is that stands don’t need to be tied to people. The biggest example I can think of is the stand that is literally an electrical tower from part 4. They are of course usually tied to people, but in my mind it’s almost like spirits that choose users that align with the stand’s qualities (like both Jotaro and SP being buff as shot and stoic). Personas seem more like actual creatures, because you can acquire the shadows and use them as personas, almost like a Pokémon
Speaking of making your own stand, I’ve made my own before. I named it 624, after ‘25 or 6 to 4’ by Chicago, and it was a colony stand that was a bunch of eyes, with beastial claws on the optic nerves. They could attach to someone, and make the person they attach to unable to regain any stamina. So, essentially, you could feel tired, go to sleep for 8 hours, and wake up not feeling any different.
I made one called Bubblegum Puppy (in reference to Bubble Gum by MARINA). It's a pink dog-like mascot character dressed like a hip-hop dancer, and can produce big bouncy floating spheres made of a substance that ressembles bubblegum.
I feel like something else to keep in mind is the fact that stands, like the rest of Araki's design sensibilities, take a lot from high fashion. There's a kind of abstract, high-fashion-y look to stands that falls in line with the aesthetics of the series as a whole. Personas are designed moreso to look cool in a more conventional sense. Stands are cool in a more abstract, unconventional way.
An interesting thing I want to bring to light with a the persona design philosophy is that you can make a distinction between historical figure and literary/ mythological figure. For example, Mitsuru’s initial and ultimate Personas, Penthesilia has a very exaggerated knight aesthetic while Artemisia is just a human in a blue dress with her armor mask and weapon being the only exaggerated parts of her design. This is a pretty obvious detail once you notice it and it helps you learn about who the persona is based on because the more more exaggerated and wild design you can tell it’s a literary/ mythical figure and the “human”* (in big air quotes just look at Captain Kid) the more likely it will be a historical figure.
Both Persona and Stand offer something different but similar to the table being that are manifestations of certain aspects of the user with Personas being that of the archetypal representation of one's soul while while stands are the pure representation of one's willpower giving way to equally interesting and unique designs. As a huge fan of JoJo and Persona I'm glad more people are looking at both sides with equal respect as opposed to saying one is better than the other.
Well, I think the reason stands became more robotic is because it is meant to emphasize the fact that these are an alien force from a meteorite (In the Stardust Crusaders universe). The reason I feel the Personas became more human is because the modern persona games decided to use a central theme around the persona designs, in Persona 3 it's Greek Mythology, In Persona 4 it's Japanese Mythology and Persona 5 is Modern Fiction/Modern Mythology. If you look at Persona 3 and see "statues" it's because it was meant to be inspired by greek mythology, if you see Persona 4 and see Tokusatsu it's because Tokusatsu is a profoundly japanese thing, if you see Persona 5 and feel like they are very human it's because due to being modern therefore less mistified than old greek myth and japanese mythology/literature. I feel like Persona and JoJo are very much masterclasses in their own type of design, love both series and they are probably the coolest designs out there.
Good point. Outside of personas, when it comes to demon (and angels which are also called "demons" but aren't really demons but you get the point) I feel like it depends more on the artist.
this is false. stands exist outside of the meteorite. the meteorite virus' capabilities is to "force the body to evolve to survive", which may mean gaining a stand
I've always seen Hey Ya! as the alternate version of Cheap Trick. Their abilities are identical if you ignore CT's murdering it's host, and that is pretty easily explained by it's original user being a weak person.
I think the example of Star Platinum, Silver Chariot, and Magician’s Red is still closer to unifying than say Magician’s Red next to Hermit Purple next to Bastet.
I feel like comparing Persona and stand is like comparing Pokémon and Digimon. Stands usually have simpler, yet unique looking characteristics based on a niche topic (such as a specific band or the mentallity of a character) whereas Persona is more angular and sharp with visually expressive and agressive designs based on various historical, mythological, or religious figures
I've always felt like personas design wise had the vibes of being hyperabstracted mixes of their characters and original folklore/religious references, while stands feel very connected to their users in a very direct way, while also looking random asf😅
Stands are much more abstract than Personae, and Personae are more whimsical than Stands Stands are so abstract because they're the purest manifestation of one's soul, and Personae are more whimsical because they're born of the Sea of Human Consciousness
Thinking about it, I feel like the big thing with Stands is that they pick one or two aesthetic patterns or motifs, go for weird shapes, but keep it kind of grounded? Like Stands generally don't feel like they're TRYING to be ornate, they just look weird as fuck. With Personas, it feels like they're trying to invoke a specific thing and invoke specific ideas, but then you go to Stands and it's just a couple patterns/items that get focused on and that defines the vibe. Like Personas are character design, but Stands are more Avantgarde fashion, right? I feel like that makes a lot of sense.
I feel stands can be more hit or miss but are generally more unique looking and Personas look cool but when a Persona design gets fucked up then it looks terrible.
I think it's more of Stands are a user's superpower and an abstract concept(the name, keeping in mind to not take up the whole design) given a somewhat humanoid but still unnatural design, while Personas are a combination of a mythological or literary figure and the user's personality given a not super straightforward design, it usually has a theme to it too They both reflect something related to the user as far as I know
A good rule of thumb that I noticed is that personas tend to have a lot of accessories Captain kidd has a ship, carmen has her little guys with her, stuff like that. Stands don't usually have something to hold or generally have on them unless it's part of the ability like silver chariot's sword Another thing is that stands very often blend robotic and natural features, this was even pointed out by araki himself when talking about some of the part three stands like hanged man
My favorite stand designs have to be Part 8's, I know people have a problem of the less humanoid stands but I just love how weird they look like Fun Fun Fun or Ozon Baby. I watched the video and Mara SUSPICIOUSLY fit the criteria at the end > Doesn't base the design around the source material, for JoJo it's the music, for SMT it's the deity and in this case, Mara's design barely has any design resemblance to its source material > Takes a concept and exaggerates it out of proportions. Mara is just a dick joke gone out of control with its design > Has some human aspects but is otherwise otherwordly.... Do I have to specify which part of Mara is a human aspect?
Mara, as a stand, would probably have a funny name. Like Dick in a Box (it’s not in a box but it’s the only song I know of that makes the joke explicit). Born This Way is actually sort of based off of the cover of the album Born This Way, as it has Lady Gaga on a motorcycle in all black and Born This Way is the figure of a motorcyclist in all black.
@@iantaakalla8180 Born This Way wasn't even the original name of the stand, it was originally Going Underground and Kei Nijimura still kept the design motif of that stand name in her character design, I think Araki just stumbled upon it and thought it was way more fitting
@@SoulBro12 That is true, Born This Way is the only stand really fitting a design of the album or literal interpretation of the song and that was because he changed the name from Going Underground. I mean, Les Feuilles exist, but even then the actual song is “Autumn Leaves/Les Feuilles Mortes” and the leaves Les Feuilles are are not particularly like autumn leaves.
I think it also matters that Stands, for the most part, are not overly stylized. They’re thematic, but you get all the details almost immediately. Modern Personas are designed to really pop out when you see them - a living statement and expression. By contrast, lots of Kaneko’s early designs are fairly simpler by comparison, hence why you guys were more uncertain about P1 and 2.
A thing with stands vs persona design i believe is stands have more flexibility with what they can be, where as a persona is supposed to look like their user in a costume or resemble someone in one
One thing I've noticed is that stands tend to be more anatomically/proportionally like humans while personas tend to be more stylized (with exceptions of course). For example, a lot of personas have really small feet or none at all, while a lot of stands have the same basic shape as their users. In other words, stands are things put into a human shape while personas are humans put into a different shape
@@butter9025 My favorite example to that statement is Wonder of U. His whole purpose is to avoid people from chasing you by provoking "disasters", which tbh it's a really fucked up ability but it's actually genius.
i'm gonna take my chance: my stand is known as 『Not Gonna Die』 appearance: a ~6ft humanoid resembling a male, unpainted manikin with a counter on its chest maxing out at 24, and claw/blade-like fingers abilities: "feel invincible"; revives the user takes 1 off the counter for each revive, "back from the dead"; revives a person/some people removing the counter = the number revived. can not use these abilities if the counter reaches 0. the counter restores itself 1 per hour without taking serious damage. can not revive those who have gone through too much decomposition stats: -power: c -speed: b -range: b (can revive anybody in line of sight of the stand and/or the user of the stand) -durability: c -precision: A -developmental potential: D also the evolved form 『Not Gonna Die・Freakshow』 appearance: a ~6ft humanoid resembling a male, unpainted manikin with a busted counter on its chest (the break is in such a way to make the counter look like it says ♾), "wearing" a navy-blue, sleeved, full body cloak, and holding a "rune"-carved harvesting scythe abilities: "feel invincible・Freakshow"; revives the user an ♾-number of times, "back from the dead・Freakshow"; revives a person/all peoples an ♾-number of times. No limit on decomposition, or even if they are in/of this dimension stats: -power: N/A -speed: N/A -range: N/A -durability: N/A -precision: N/A -developmental potential: N/A namesakes: 4 skillet songs i like.
I think the biggest difference between stand design and persona design, is that Stand designs tend to be like, kinda diagetic. Like, y'know, Magician's red is a phoenix man, flame abilities are a natural takeaway from that design. Gold Experience has life symbology all over it, and i shouldn't even have to touch on king nothing/nut king call/a good chunk of part 8 stands Personas on the other hand, tend to be like, closer to the superhero thing. They're closer to the thing they represent, instead of a certain ability. So like, stand design is generally more Function over fashion, while persona is fashion over function. The fashion in jojo's is mostly in the users anyways lol
Also, I know, third comment, but I love that these videos get visual support with these pictures fading in and out to what is being talked about. Adds a lot!
One thing I notice when looking at stands and personas is that most stands have a very raw and primal energy to them. Like, they are the visualization of the soul, so their design would reflect on that, whilst personas are exactly what they are, personas. The design of a stand is more reliant on its user’s personality and being, but on the contrary, personas have a bit more artistic freedom while clinging onto the folktale it’s based off of.
Stands are impersonifications of the soul and the willpower, in theory. Your stand belongs to you and to you only, and it is your soul itself. In theory. But then the question is raised: Why is a soul more powerful than another? Why are some souls unable to manifest as stands? Why do the userless stands exist? who knows Personas are greater archeotypes usually found in mithology that work to represent willpower and the personality of someone. But personas are "external": your soul adopts the form of the Persona while manifesting, and adopting that form brings more power as Personas are separated greater entities. But the persona is not your soul, it is at best your personality and approach to life
stands usually wear dress shoes and have weird stand eyes that have vertical lines, stands in part 3 were like evil spirits but later on become more like robotic humanoid dress shoe wearing vertical line having things.
Cutest stands off the top of my head: California King Bed, Tusk Act 1, Echoes Acts 1 and 2, Heaven's Door, Sex Pistols, Harvest, Silver Chariot when it got de-aged, and Stray Cat.
My OC stand, Blind Guardian, has a two in one base form referencing the famous concert in Wacken. The reference being The Bard’s Song (In the Forest) and Valhalla played back to back (it’s got millions of views on RUclips). So its non combative half is The Bard’s Song and can entrance an unspecified amount of people at a time, its combative half is Valhalla and it basically operates on DnD combat logic. But I didn’t forget about what if it earns a requiem. So its Requiem is based on their orchestral album Twilight Orchestra. It has dominion over concepts
for me the most simple way to put it is: Stands tend to be more segmented and look more robotic, armored, or like they're wearing several pieces of an outfit sewn together, where personas tend to be more smooth, like a super hero suit if i could use characters from something else as examples, i think digimon would be a good choice, Angemon looks like a persona but WarGreymon looks like a stand
Was thinking of Persona MCs for different countries and, without sharing the LORE to make sense of them, my current best are: Mexican: “Centauro” Pancho Villa (Ultimate: Chiron), Ascended Title: Sagittarius) British: Jekyll , with Hyde as 2nd head (Ultimate: Janus, Ascended Title: Gemini)
Honestly that was a pretty cool. Though I am curious have you guys ever thought of comparing Persona to Examu's Daemon Bride? To be honest its cool to know that Daemon Bride existed before Persona Arena was even thought of.
1. The stand I've designed to be my personal stand is a humanoid one based on Broly/Star Platinum in appearance, but then I used that as a format to do other things (make it various combinations of colors seen during sunset depending on my mood, star shaped pupils, various birthstones and such associated with me, etc.) 2. Persona 3 has the most amount of cool looking personas, tied with 5 if you include Royal and Strikers. Persona 2 and 3 have the coolest persona designs/concepts IMO
i feel like personas have really set in stone "materials" to them. like its definitely latex or steel or something, whereas stands are kind of just in that shape, not made of anything in particular unless its important to its design, like silver chariot
Both of them are amazing but i like Personas desing more Smt demons in general basically make me think of their desing instead of their original description, when i think of Odin i only think of Doi Odin and for me Lucifer (The Devil) looks like Helel Meanwhile the stands have a higher variety
From what I can gather, a persona is an artistic representation of things sometimes associated with their user and stands are an abstract visualization of the many concepts that make up a person
A thing i noticed is that stands dont really look appealing. Their designs are amazing, but they arent pretty , which contributes to making them feel otherwordly. Personas usually look either cool, pretty, cute , or sexy.
i heard an interview that araki makes the stand first then makes the character based off the stand afterwards while I believe persona does the opposite when designing
Superfly in Part 4 is particularly like an SCP, but it’s not like Enigma, Bites The Dust, Aqua Necklace in any fluid or Highway Star were not like SCPs (although they are still not an SCP because an SCP is usually corporeal while Stands are usually not corporeal).
the reason why stands today dont do the 1v1 punch fight, is because it became useless, modern stands now rely on stand ability rather than brute strength, somewhat making punchy standa outdated. like compare a battleship that punches so hard, which modern destroyers cant but has more abilities than a battleship can
The biggest difference between Stands and Personas is really how they work. Stands are literally who someone is, they are their soul and personality. This sort of makes them more of an organ that an actual separate being. Even stands that are supposed to be “independent” are still linked to the user in a way. Personas are more like Pokémon from what I understand. They’re totally separated from the user and can be traded out for different ones. There are again exceptions, but ones that still follow those rules. I don’t have a lot of knowledge of Persona though so correct me if I’m wrong.
Stand's is Different Concept to The soul and the user due to themselves Which isn't the same things as Stands ≠ Soul because it is Power System of Ability due to the User itself and Willpowers itself Persona do needed a User awakening by themselves bringing Out Persona like Being injuries by themselves pops out immediately and Isn't soul aswell just like Jojo Stand's isn't like i said it earlier to myself Both Video Game and Anime/Manga Have the best Power System in their own Verse depends Which i chooses
Stands always felt more abstract and conceptual than personas. Either abstractly embodying a concept where personas on average have a definite starting idea and abstract out from that original idea with characteristic of the user included.
Stands for the most part feels like they take a concept for the ability or its theme and exaggerate it with some references to the song or the user in it that's how I see it
Fafnir from P5R could be a Stand and it's name would be Imagine Dragons (Not that creative but if you've ever listened to Believers, it fits), My favorite Persona, Moloch could work but I can't think of any names for if it was a stand, maybe something based of The Score since I love their music, Jack Frost is literally any happy go lucky Christmas song (Black Frost=This Christmas I'll burn it to the ground)
i prefer stands in just about every way but i will admit that personas tend to look more ‘cool’ (although with context, stands like the world can be cooler than most personas in other ways)
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Stand: Take a superpower. Now over-design something based on that.
Persona: Take a folktale. Now heavily stylize its main character.
Even though it's a joke I completely agree with the idea. Stands can be anything as well be inspired by anything not just music.
*Jojolion enters the game*
White Snake: I'll take both
Jojo lowkey does the same
I think the difference in Stand and Persona design to me is “A Stand’s design might focus more to its ability, whereas a Persona’s design might focus more on its inspirations.” At least that’s my take
One thing about persona's designs is that it takes in the user's thought and belief, Persona 4 is the epitome of this. Soejima said in a interview that when he designed the P4 Personas he didn't rely on how the gods/characters traditionally looked in the myths. He think of how would a Japanese highschooler would think of when they hear the name of these characters. Izanagi is personification of masculinity and Jiraya is just what Yosuke thought is cool
frog ninja
@@scarletnocturne disco ninja frog
also Tomoe, Chie's Persona, looks kind of like Yukiko (with its long, black hair).
@@gabrielfarkas257 Makes sense considering her whole deal was about her being jealous of how boys treated Yukiko.
Of course, the origins can't be completely ommited, so Personas also incorporate at least one detail from the character's original story into the design. Take Futaba's Persona, Necronomicon, for example. The Necronomicon is known for housing knowledge on all sorts of Lovecraftian deities and Eldritch creatures, so despite the Persona not exactly being a book, the eldritch horror aspect is incorporated into it's design by having extendable tentacle-like appendages, a trait most commonly associated with the deity Cthulu. The cosmic horror aspect is also taken literally, with the persona itself being moreso based on a stereotypical UFO in overall appearance. To put it simply, the design of a Persona tends to play more loosely with it's inspiration by utilizing details from things related to the subject matter rather than the subject matter itself. However, with the right combination of loosely-tied details, you'll eventually get a design that clearly conveys exactly what the Persona is based on. It's like a game of 20 Questions, but the questions asked influence how the correct answer is depicted.
One of the biggest points is that Araki needs to draw these stands individually every time they appear while personas in modern games just need to have concept art and official art, and then once the in-game model is created, it'll be ready to move how the game needs, so far more intricate designs can be created. Not that stands are less detailed, but looking at how varied one part of most personas' designs is compared to stands which flow relatively well with their own parts, it's easy to see the difference.
This could be explained away by them just being energy most of the time but like, yeah what he said.
To me, a stand seems like it could be a sentient alien, capable of consciousness. They also seem to be more abstract in a way.
Meanwhile, personas seem more magical. A persona would have to be magical, just based on it's design, regardless of background. Personas are also built in a way that makes them seem like a all-rounder. While stands are built for a purpose or specific usage/power.
Fun Fact: stands would possibly be aliens, for some of them who was awakened from the arrow that was crafted from an asteroid with an alien virus on it. Except for the naturally awakened like Polnareff or Abdul born with the Stand awakened or Joestar bloodline with the bond of the birthmark (maybe in that case was also the arrow's fault, it's headcanon that Dio's servants obtained the arrows and uses them for awakening the stands and piercing Jonathan's body all the bloodline reacted to that awakening the stands).
@@il3fortunato664 to my knowledge the asteroid and the arrows are the reason why stands exist in the original timeline. Even those who naturally gain a stand/have one since birth can be explained by a ancestor getting shoot by an arrow.
Granted that doesn't explain Hermit Purple or Pearl Jam. One where comes from an already supernatural ability hamon/Ripple and the other is from the mastery of an art.
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yeah it makes sense. There's a lot of characters that developed a stand from mastering an ability, like Rohan for his mangas or
SPOILER
Johnny for the Tusk's acts
@@il3fortunato664 mr ill take my nail.....and spin it
White Snake: I'm everything around
The key difference I always found is Personas (at least party member and default protagonist ones) are pretty much universally humanoid with only really Futaba breaking this rule, meanwhile Stands can be everything from humanoid to a radio tower.
Even comparing the humanoid ones, Personas tend to be a little more visually busy than the humanoid Stands. Compare Arsene to Gold Experience and there's a lot more going on with Arsene in terms of stuff on the body. Gold Experience and other humanoid Stands look very "Silver Age comic book hero outfit" looking like they are a person in skintight colourful spandex
Cerberus, Johanna, Nemesis, isis, Pithos. Though 2 of them do become humanoid eventually I will still count them because they didn’t always look that way. And I’m not sure if Io counts as a humanoid
Edit: nvm I was misremembering how nemesis looks like
@@matheustran8009 I'll be deep in the cold ground before I recognise Makoto exists!
@@matheustran8009 Nemesis doesn’t look THAT humanoid tbh
@@matheustran8009 I’d count Cerberus as an outlier
that last point makes a lot of sense considering how araki had to account for weekly drawings of his design, so making them too busy and stylized would have been a pain to do consistently, and even worse for animators of part 5. while personas are really stylized and more cool in a sense(I've never played, but those designs look pretty sick ngl), and it shines in the 3d models, which also saves time on having to "redo" the design over and over.
There's a funny meme that I can't find right now where it shows Araki using his 'Pattented Stand Power Idea Creator' where he uses a random search on Wikipedia to find a random ability for a stand and I like that idea to bring creativity to the designs of stands as well
When designing fan stands, I lean more into the lyrics of the song itself and aesthetic elements from album and single covers. Killer Queen and Kira have lots of aspects of the lyrics
"Gunpowder, gelatine
Dynamite with a laser beam
Guaranteed to blow your mind"
"To avoid complications
She never kept the same address
In conversation
She spoke just like a baroness"
"Drop of a hat she's as willing as
Playful as a pussycat"
I think with persona it comes down to the theme of them. 3 being Greek alot of them look like statues or regal in appearance. 4 being Japanese they all based off of Japanese tropes or characters. 5 being famous thieves they all look sly or mysterious.
I can't believe they talk about Stands not usually wearing clothes. And Wonder of U wasn't even mention.
We don't talk about him or a shimoneta manga would give massive papercuts to Meti.
For me personally, I think of it like this: Stands look humanoid, while Personas look human. Like for most Personas you could feasibly strip away all the fluff and have a normal person, and while Stands look close to human, they're always off in some way
The main thing that sticks out to me is that stands don’t need to be tied to people. The biggest example I can think of is the stand that is literally an electrical tower from part 4. They are of course usually tied to people, but in my mind it’s almost like spirits that choose users that align with the stand’s qualities (like both Jotaro and SP being buff as shot and stoic). Personas seem more like actual creatures, because you can acquire the shadows and use them as personas, almost like a Pokémon
Speaking of making your own stand, I’ve made my own before. I named it 624, after ‘25 or 6 to 4’ by Chicago, and it was a colony stand that was a bunch of eyes, with beastial claws on the optic nerves. They could attach to someone, and make the person they attach to unable to regain any stamina. So, essentially, you could feel tired, go to sleep for 8 hours, and wake up not feeling any different.
That is just terrible lol I Love it
that's so fuckin petty lmao
@@skunthundler you say that, but people die after like a week without sleep, and deteriorate pretty quickly before hand.
A subtle way to kill someone by an accelerated lack of sleep seems very much like a Jojo power, albeit one of La Squadra Ezecucione’s powers.
I made one called Bubblegum Puppy (in reference to Bubble Gum by MARINA). It's a pink dog-like mascot character dressed like a hip-hop dancer, and can produce big bouncy floating spheres made of a substance that ressembles bubblegum.
I feel like something else to keep in mind is the fact that stands, like the rest of Araki's design sensibilities, take a lot from high fashion. There's a kind of abstract, high-fashion-y look to stands that falls in line with the aesthetics of the series as a whole. Personas are designed moreso to look cool in a more conventional sense. Stands are cool in a more abstract, unconventional way.
An interesting thing I want to bring to light with a the persona design philosophy is that you can make a distinction between historical figure and literary/ mythological figure. For example, Mitsuru’s initial and ultimate Personas, Penthesilia has a very exaggerated knight aesthetic while Artemisia is just a human in a blue dress with her armor mask and weapon being the only exaggerated parts of her design. This is a pretty obvious detail once you notice it and it helps you learn about who the persona is based on because the more more exaggerated and wild design you can tell it’s a literary/ mythical figure and the “human”* (in big air quotes just look at Captain Kid) the more likely it will be a historical figure.
Both Persona and Stand offer something different but similar to the table being that are manifestations of certain aspects of the user with Personas being that of the archetypal representation of one's soul while while stands are the pure representation of one's willpower giving way to equally interesting and unique designs. As a huge fan of JoJo and Persona I'm glad more people are looking at both sides with equal respect as opposed to saying one is better than the other.
Well, I think the reason stands became more robotic is because it is meant to emphasize the fact that these are an alien force from a meteorite (In the Stardust Crusaders universe). The reason I feel the Personas became more human is because the modern persona games decided to use a central theme around the persona designs, in Persona 3 it's Greek Mythology, In Persona 4 it's Japanese Mythology and Persona 5 is Modern Fiction/Modern Mythology. If you look at Persona 3 and see "statues" it's because it was meant to be inspired by greek mythology, if you see Persona 4 and see Tokusatsu it's because Tokusatsu is a profoundly japanese thing, if you see Persona 5 and feel like they are very human it's because due to being modern therefore less mistified than old greek myth and japanese mythology/literature. I feel like Persona and JoJo are very much masterclasses in their own type of design, love both series and they are probably the coolest designs out there.
This is extremely apt!
Good point.
Outside of personas, when it comes to demon (and angels which are also called "demons" but aren't really demons but you get the point)
I feel like it depends more on the artist.
this is false. stands exist outside of the meteorite. the meteorite virus' capabilities is to "force the body to evolve to survive", which may mean gaining a stand
After reading the interview with Kaneko and Araki, I’m definitely looking forward to watching this video
Who is Kaneko?
Artist for Shin megami tensei and Persona.
@@seanroadman7095 oh, that's a very good idea to look into then
Oh yeah I remember that one
I've always seen Hey Ya! as the alternate version of Cheap Trick. Their abilities are identical if you ignore CT's murdering it's host, and that is pretty easily explained by it's original user being a weak person.
I think the example of Star Platinum, Silver Chariot, and Magician’s Red is still closer to unifying than say Magician’s Red next to Hermit Purple next to Bastet.
I feel like comparing Persona and stand is like comparing Pokémon and Digimon.
Stands usually have simpler, yet unique looking characteristics based on a niche topic (such as a specific band or the mentallity of a character) whereas Persona is more angular and sharp with visually expressive and agressive designs based on various historical, mythological, or religious figures
I've always felt like personas design wise had the vibes of being hyperabstracted mixes of their characters and original folklore/religious references, while stands feel very connected to their users in a very direct way, while also looking random asf😅
Stands are much more abstract than Personae, and Personae are more whimsical than Stands
Stands are so abstract because they're the purest manifestation of one's soul, and Personae are more whimsical because they're born of the Sea of Human Consciousness
One exists in a human idea the other exists from the pure insanity that is the human soul, therefore, *doggystyle*
Thinking about it, I feel like the big thing with Stands is that they pick one or two aesthetic patterns or motifs, go for weird shapes, but keep it kind of grounded? Like Stands generally don't feel like they're TRYING to be ornate, they just look weird as fuck. With Personas, it feels like they're trying to invoke a specific thing and invoke specific ideas, but then you go to Stands and it's just a couple patterns/items that get focused on and that defines the vibe.
Like Personas are character design, but Stands are more Avantgarde fashion, right? I feel like that makes a lot of sense.
I feel stands can be more hit or miss but are generally more unique looking and Personas look cool but when a Persona design gets fucked up then it looks terrible.
I think it's more of Stands are a user's superpower and an abstract concept(the name, keeping in mind to not take up the whole design) given a somewhat humanoid but still unnatural design, while Personas are a combination of a mythological or literary figure and the user's personality given a not super straightforward design, it usually has a theme to it too
They both reflect something related to the user as far as I know
A good rule of thumb that I noticed is that personas tend to have a lot of accessories
Captain kidd has a ship, carmen has her little guys with her, stuff like that. Stands don't usually have something to hold or generally have on them unless it's part of the ability like silver chariot's sword
Another thing is that stands very often blend robotic and natural features, this was even pointed out by araki himself when talking about some of the part three stands like hanged man
fither forgot to mention foo fighters when talking about cute stands
I love the way you edit videos Fither it just gives off such a chill vibe.
"Disco-tech Kamen Rider Frog" is the kind of line I watch these videos for
My favorite stand designs have to be Part 8's, I know people have a problem of the less humanoid stands but I just love how weird they look like Fun Fun Fun or Ozon Baby.
I watched the video and Mara SUSPICIOUSLY fit the criteria at the end
> Doesn't base the design around the source material, for JoJo it's the music, for SMT it's the deity and in this case, Mara's design barely has any design resemblance to its source material
> Takes a concept and exaggerates it out of proportions. Mara is just a dick joke gone out of control with its design
> Has some human aspects but is otherwise otherwordly.... Do I have to specify which part of Mara is a human aspect?
Mara, as a stand, would probably have a funny name. Like Dick in a Box (it’s not in a box but it’s the only song I know of that makes the joke explicit).
Born This Way is actually sort of based off of the cover of the album Born This Way, as it has Lady Gaga on a motorcycle in all black and Born This Way is the figure of a motorcyclist in all black.
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Would ‘Neck to Back’ work as a name for Mara? Going with the part 4 naming scheme-
Wow really? A dick in a chariot known to ride an elephant that currently stands up right is not accurate? Would have never guessed.
A joke.
@@iantaakalla8180 Born This Way wasn't even the original name of the stand, it was originally Going Underground and Kei Nijimura still kept the design motif of that stand name in her character design, I think Araki just stumbled upon it and thought it was way more fitting
@@SoulBro12 That is true, Born This Way is the only stand really fitting a design of the album or literal interpretation of the song and that was because he changed the name from Going Underground.
I mean, Les Feuilles exist, but even then the actual song is “Autumn Leaves/Les Feuilles Mortes” and the leaves Les Feuilles are are not particularly like autumn leaves.
My favorite thing about stands is its unique to every stand user, they're stands usually is heavily inspired from the users personality
I think it also matters that Stands, for the most part, are not overly stylized. They’re thematic, but you get all the details almost immediately. Modern Personas are designed to really pop out when you see them - a living statement and expression.
By contrast, lots of Kaneko’s early designs are fairly simpler by comparison, hence why you guys were more uncertain about P1 and 2.
A thing with stands vs persona design i believe is stands have more flexibility with what they can be, where as a persona is supposed to look like their user in a costume or resemble someone in one
One thing I've noticed is that stands tend to be more anatomically/proportionally like humans while personas tend to be more stylized (with exceptions of course). For example, a lot of personas have really small feet or none at all, while a lot of stands have the same basic shape as their users. In other words, stands are things put into a human shape while personas are humans put into a different shape
Don't forget about how stands seem more practical serving a specific purpose in instances like the lock, hermit purple and whatnot
punchy stands became outdated, and was replaced hy stands who serves a specific purpose and relies vastly on ability rather than punching each other
@@butter9025 My favorite example to that statement is Wonder of U. His whole purpose is to avoid people from chasing you by provoking "disasters", which tbh it's a really fucked up ability but it's actually genius.
7:40 we need a JoJo spin-off based on record label company wars!
XD
i'm gonna take my chance:
my stand is known as 『Not Gonna Die』
appearance: a ~6ft humanoid resembling a male, unpainted manikin with a counter on its chest maxing out at 24, and claw/blade-like fingers
abilities: "feel invincible"; revives the user takes 1 off the counter for each revive, "back from the dead"; revives a person/some people removing the counter = the number revived. can not use these abilities if the counter reaches 0. the counter restores itself 1 per hour without taking serious damage. can not revive those who have gone through too much decomposition
stats:
-power: c
-speed: b
-range: b (can revive anybody in line of sight of the stand and/or the user of the stand)
-durability: c
-precision: A
-developmental potential: D
also the evolved form 『Not Gonna Die・Freakshow』
appearance: a ~6ft humanoid resembling a male, unpainted manikin with a busted counter on its chest (the break is in such a way to make the counter look like it says ♾), "wearing" a navy-blue, sleeved, full body cloak, and holding a "rune"-carved harvesting scythe
abilities: "feel invincible・Freakshow"; revives the user an ♾-number of times, "back from the dead・Freakshow"; revives a person/all peoples an ♾-number of times. No limit on decomposition, or even if they are in/of this dimension
stats:
-power: N/A
-speed: N/A
-range: N/A
-durability: N/A
-precision: N/A
-developmental potential: N/A
namesakes: 4 skillet songs i like.
I think the biggest difference between stand design and persona design, is that Stand designs tend to be like, kinda diagetic.
Like, y'know, Magician's red is a phoenix man, flame abilities are a natural takeaway from that design.
Gold Experience has life symbology all over it, and i shouldn't even have to touch on king nothing/nut king call/a good chunk of part 8 stands
Personas on the other hand, tend to be like, closer to the superhero thing. They're closer to the thing they represent, instead of a certain ability.
So like, stand design is generally more Function over fashion, while persona is fashion over function.
The fashion in jojo's is mostly in the users anyways lol
Also, I know, third comment, but I love that these videos get visual support with these pictures fading in and out to what is being talked about. Adds a lot!
Part 5 stand designs are my favourites overall
One thing I notice when looking at stands and personas is that most stands have a very raw and primal energy to them. Like, they are the visualization of the soul, so their design would reflect on that, whilst personas are exactly what they are, personas. The design of a stand is more reliant on its user’s personality and being, but on the contrary, personas have a bit more artistic freedom while clinging onto the folktale it’s based off of.
The thermometer on the chest could match how Made in Heaven is decked out in speedometers.
Stands are impersonifications of the soul and the willpower, in theory. Your stand belongs to you and to you only, and it is your soul itself. In theory. But then the question is raised: Why is a soul more powerful than another? Why are some souls unable to manifest as stands? Why do the userless stands exist? who knows
Personas are greater archeotypes usually found in mithology that work to represent willpower and the personality of someone. But personas are "external": your soul adopts the form of the Persona while manifesting, and adopting that form brings more power as Personas are separated greater entities. But the persona is not your soul, it is at best your personality and approach to life
stands usually wear dress shoes and have weird stand eyes that have vertical lines, stands in part 3 were like evil spirits but later on become more like robotic humanoid dress shoe wearing vertical line having things.
honesly it be neat to see "what would the persona of a jojo character be"
Cutest stands off the top of my head: California King Bed, Tusk Act 1, Echoes Acts 1 and 2, Heaven's Door, Sex Pistols, Harvest, Silver Chariot when it got de-aged, and Stray Cat.
Al these persona vs jojo vids are great
My OC stand, Blind Guardian, has a two in one base form referencing the famous concert in Wacken. The reference being The Bard’s Song (In the Forest) and Valhalla played back to back (it’s got millions of views on RUclips). So its non combative half is The Bard’s Song and can entrance an unspecified amount of people at a time, its combative half is Valhalla and it basically operates on DnD combat logic. But I didn’t forget about what if it earns a requiem. So its Requiem is based on their orchestral album Twilight Orchestra. It has dominion over concepts
for me the most simple way to put it is: Stands tend to be more segmented and look more robotic, armored, or like they're wearing several pieces of an outfit sewn together, where personas tend to be more smooth, like a super hero suit
if i could use characters from something else as examples, i think digimon would be a good choice, Angemon looks like a persona but WarGreymon looks like a stand
Was thinking of Persona MCs for different countries and, without sharing the LORE to make sense of them, my current best are:
Mexican: “Centauro” Pancho Villa (Ultimate: Chiron), Ascended Title: Sagittarius)
British: Jekyll , with Hyde as 2nd head (Ultimate: Janus, Ascended Title: Gemini)
Got it,
Stands: Kamen Rider Eyes, ultraman body
Personas: Ultraman head, Kamen Rider body(?)
Honestly that was a pretty cool. Though I am curious have you guys ever thought of comparing Persona to Examu's Daemon Bride? To be honest its cool to know that Daemon Bride existed before Persona Arena was even thought of.
Stardust Crusaders vs S.E.E.S. when?
Much as I love S.E.E.S., the Crusaders take it every time
No universe arcana it's pretty much as strong As GER
@@ryanwalters5290 not really at all lol they get stomped by S.E.E.S
Although I understand and agree with a lot of this but Goku's stand would 100% be just another Goku
1. The stand I've designed to be my personal stand is a humanoid one based on Broly/Star Platinum in appearance, but then I used that as a format to do other things (make it various combinations of colors seen during sunset depending on my mood, star shaped pupils, various birthstones and such associated with me, etc.)
2. Persona 3 has the most amount of cool looking personas, tied with 5 if you include Royal and Strikers. Persona 2 and 3 have the coolest persona designs/concepts IMO
i feel like personas have really set in stone "materials" to them. like its definitely latex or steel or something, whereas stands are kind of just in that shape, not made of anything in particular unless its important to its design, like silver chariot
Part 8 stands (and some Part 5 ones) specially fall into that idea
Both of them are amazing but i like Personas desing more
Smt demons in general basically make me think of their desing instead of their original description, when i think of Odin i only think of Doi Odin and for me Lucifer (The Devil) looks like Helel
Meanwhile the stands have a higher variety
From what I can gather, a persona is an artistic representation of things sometimes associated with their user and stands are an abstract visualization of the many concepts that make up a person
To be fair, a bike that has nuclear bombs sounds like a stand from part 8.
It helps that the stand Born This Way is a motorcycle and motorcyclist and just as destructive.
A thing i noticed is that stands dont really look appealing. Their designs are amazing, but they arent pretty , which contributes to making them feel otherwordly.
Personas usually look either cool, pretty, cute , or sexy.
A big difference is the proportions. Personas have more exaggerated body types, but stands all have pretty realistic proportions.
Stand design: be weird. Be off putting. Be "wtf was THAT". Literally just go OFF.
Persona Design: gala models.
13:45
Phew, it is hot as hell in this funky ass hot ass dream i'm in
IS THAT THE GRIM REAPER?!?
29:50 Level 20 : learns Dekunda
This video is tailored to me and only me.
Objection: me
i heard an interview that araki makes the stand first then makes the character based off the stand afterwards while I believe persona does the opposite when designing
On a sliding scale from Pokemon to Jojo, it goes:
Pokemon - Yōkai Watch - Digimon - Persona - Jojo
No, I will not elaborate
*Looks at Kyurem*
Yup, totally beggining of the scale-worthy
30:00 to 32:00 would be a "stand or Persona?" challenge
Didn't notice this video came out recently- Anyway, very nice!
I'm surprised they didn't mention the suits stands.
Up. Its one of my favorite stand type
To be fair there was only like three of them and two were in the same part
Stands are basically becoming scps and i like that
Superfly in Part 4 is particularly like an SCP, but it’s not like Enigma, Bites The Dust, Aqua Necklace in any fluid or Highway Star were not like SCPs (although they are still not an SCP because an SCP is usually corporeal while Stands are usually not corporeal).
the reason why stands today dont do the 1v1 punch fight, is because it became useless, modern stands now rely on stand ability rather than brute strength, somewhat making punchy standa outdated. like compare a battleship that punches so hard, which modern destroyers cant but has more abilities than a battleship can
The biggest difference between Stands and Personas is really how they work.
Stands are literally who someone is, they are their soul and personality. This sort of makes them more of an organ that an actual separate being. Even stands that are supposed to be “independent” are still linked to the user in a way.
Personas are more like Pokémon from what I understand. They’re totally separated from the user and can be traded out for different ones. There are again exceptions, but ones that still follow those rules. I don’t have a lot of knowledge of Persona though so correct me if I’m wrong.
I think in simplest terms, personas wear fashion, stands ARE Fashion
Stands are almost never fully clothed
Let's go Mets!
Be *b i z z a r e* with them
The reason why vulcanus looks like a stand could be because he looks a bit similar to white snake
30:55 stand name [R O C K E T M A N]
Stand's is Different Concept to The soul and the user due to themselves Which isn't the same things as Stands ≠ Soul because it is Power System of Ability due to the User itself and Willpowers itself
Persona do needed a User awakening by themselves bringing Out Persona like Being injuries by themselves pops out immediately and Isn't soul aswell just like Jojo Stand's isn't like i said it earlier to myself
Both Video Game and Anime/Manga Have the best Power System in their own Verse depends Which i chooses
Okay but stands can be called “fire power” and have an ability that freezes things
"So cold it burns"- Ultimate Big Chill, Ben 10 Alien Force
@@unenricheduranium194 nice
32:32 Stand: MasterLock
Appears as a KEY
XD
Stands always felt more abstract and conceptual than personas. Either abstractly embodying a concept where personas on average have a definite starting idea and abstract out from that original idea with characteristic of the user included.
25:23 Hypnos
Nah, I am not sleeping anymore…
araki actually designs stands before he designs characters first
Kaneko x Araki art piece when?
Stands for the most part feels like they take a concept for the ability or its theme and exaggerate it with some references to the song or the user in it that's how I see it
I think the stand design philosophy is-“a lot of impractical stuff” and mildly inorganic
Fafnir from P5R could be a Stand and it's name would be Imagine Dragons (Not that creative but if you've ever listened to Believers, it fits), My favorite Persona, Moloch could work but I can't think of any names for if it was a stand, maybe something based of The Score since I love their music, Jack Frost is literally any happy go lucky Christmas song (Black Frost=This Christmas I'll burn it to the ground)
i prefer stands in just about every way but i will admit that personas tend to look more ‘cool’ (although with context, stands like the world can be cooler than most personas in other ways)
8:27 that’s Pearl Jam
“But it’s not a Pearl??”
JAM
“Tomato JAM???”
Just SHUT UP until you read this one!
XD
my persona: Silky bc priestess represent
My stand: Beyonds or the Cure
23:37 The Life Coach Stand!
XD
“Hey-ya! You can do this, everything is good to go!
Go, JUST DO IT!”
Love these videos
So, are you not gonna talk about Soul Hackers 2?
16:00 stand name [LADY GAGA]
12:40 now I need to a Stand of a Biblical accurate Angel
XD
ViewMaster
5:45 the Fallen Angel YOHANE?!
XD
omg jiraiya