Big Mistake! This Honda ATC 350x is junk!
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- Опубликовано: 2 апр 2022
- In this episode, I find out the real problems with my 1985 Honda 350x 3 wheeler, First we do a "Will it run" and find out it will not, it has low compression and cam issues, then we do a engine removal and full tear down of the top end with some amazing results and carnage. Come along for the ride, grab some popcorn cause this is a long one, your not going to believe what I find inside this monster of a three wheeler.
Be sure and check out my good buddy Preston over @ThisOldTrike we are working hard to keep Honda ATC content alive on youtube.
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I cannot express how awesome and how thrilled I am that you started MRC channel
Thanks Daryl, I feel the same way, there are a lot of interest in 3 wheelers and not a lot on content. Thanks for watching!
So difficult to find an old machine like this that has not been molested! Great video!
This one was a mess, check out my other 2 350x's much nicer machines.
This is one of the best RUclips channels I've ever watched these three wheelers are rare and hard to come by in some places and it's awesome to see somebody step up and make videos on them
Thank you for the kind words. Just shareing my passion for these old Hondas.
AX5
You picked a fine time to leave me loose wheeeeel 😎
Thanks a lot...! Now I have that song stuck in my head... 🤪😛
My 350X had a chronic issue with the auto decomp staying set....so...I disconnected it and when it comes time to kick it over, I just cycle it through until I'm on top of the compression stroke and Begin there. It's a foolproof method and religion with Harley kicker guys!
That is a great system, I will keep that in mind. Thanks for sharing
Love you and Preston best channels on RUclips
Thank you Sir, Preston and I are working hard to keep Honda ATC content alive on youtube.
Mr c builds when they starting making these bad ass bikes like this❤ is when the US government shut them down in 87 but guys like you and me and lots of others whish they would be brought back
Hey Dustin, Yep that was the end of an era. They make modern conversions, but there is no replacement for the feel and sounds a classic.
I learn more from you then my 4 years in high school
Thank you Bob, I have always learned more and easier when its hands on, or when shown how to do something. Books aren't for everyone.
Awesome work sir can’t wait for more videos and updates 👍👍👋👋👋👏👏👏👏👍👍
Thank you Carlos, I'm excited about it too.
I live in one of those areas where sport trikes are super rare lots of 185 and 200cc honda and some big reds. Finding 350x and 250r are like hens teeth😲
Yep, just like here, you have to grab them when you find them. Thanks for watching.
Can't go wrong with a 3 wheeler video from a dude in an old school rock and roll t-shirt!
Exactly!
I can’t subscribe twice, but I can comment more than once! Great episode. I can’t wait for more on this bike! I grew up in the 80’s and these Honda’s were always Bad A$$!! Some more than others! Now pushing 50, they still make my heart race!! Thanks!! CB. 👍🎸🎶
Thank you Chris, spread the word and share the videos on your social media, thanks for watching.
😁 I can relate to the work table mine is a catchall too. Sure fells good when it gets cleaned👍
It's really to big, I built it for building engines and axles. Its 6ftx6ftx 1/2 steel. It's a beast. Thanks for watching
I really like the 350x! I saw you rip it at the end of a couple of your videos. Bad ass, man!
i ripped my motor out 4 years ago to restore the pain on the frame and engine now i really wish i went through the top end because i am having some grinding noises im hoping its just cam chain and guides. and yes Lou knows everything about atcs, quads and motors.
In '94, I bought a nice '85 350X from a friend. It didn't run. He said he was riding it and it suddenly died. Not being the mechanical type, he sold it to me. I pulled the plug and saw shrapnel. Ok....not good. Upon pulling the engine and pulling the head, the destruction was clear. A valve had dropped a head and it bounced around the chamber, puncturing the piston and severely scarring the head.
I took the head and cylinder to a local m/c shop for their opinion. they said the combustion chamber could be smoothed out, so I decided to have the whole thing bored to 1st oversize to restore the lost compression from the damaged head....might as well go for a Wiseco 10.25:1! Well, in for a dime, in for a dollar! Lets port and polish the head, have a custom ground cam made for it. Add a K&N filter and a DG RCM exhaust. Break it in and lets go play. The thing is a monster, but I'm finding that the the Woolly Booger rear tires suck. Ok, lets get some Douglas wheels with 20" ITP Holeshots. Much better grip action, but I'm running out of top end speed, so a 1 tooth larger countersprocket goes on....Oh yeah ! Thats it!
25 years later, the combo is still an exciting ride...tons of arm yanking, freight train power that impresses all that see it in action! Stock in appearance, right down to the original seat cover and all plastic, it displays well.
Sounds like you put in the work, and you have built a solid and dependable machine. Congrats on saving and maintaining another 3 wheeler. The 350x is still considered the king of the hill for a reason.
@@mrcbuilds Thank you. I don't ride it much, as I'm getting older and I can't be the monkey on it that is needed to ride it properly, but I still ride it as a straight line rocket that it is!
Great video . I’ll be tuned in to the next round on this!
Thanks Bryan, I'm looking forward to hearing it again. Very soon I hope. Thanks for watching
Another great video! I like the reference to the clock and the utensil art!😊
Thank you Shane!
You should be at 50,000 by now, always great content and easy to understand, thanks.
Thanks Bob, im trying
I fell in love with 3wheelers at a young age I am 52 now and would love to have a 85 or 86 Honda 110 slope seat they where the best play around light work wheelers made and just about indestructible but really enjoyed your show bud . The 350x was a powerhouse 3rd and 4th gear wheelies no problem just a blip of the thumb sure miss those days😃
Your never to old sir.
85 had oil starvation issues at the top end on inclines, wether that was climbing hills or pulling wheelies, they fixed that in 86 but sadly as we all know that was the end of that.
I had family teach me how to set timing and rebuild but if I didn’t this would be the video for setting a atc in timing
Thank you Skyler, that why I take the time, their are so many people who do not have a family like yours or mine, I feel its something I can pass on to others. thanks for watching
Thank you so much for sharing this , you have made my husband a very happy man !!! You explained this so well and he said it was very easy to follow what you were saying and you didnt over complicate . One bike fixed and an easy life for me . Thank you
That's awesome! I'm glad I can help. Please like share and subscribe to the channel.
I subscribed. I have always loved three-wheelers but have never been a great mechanic - not a good combination as all of the bikes get older - this was a great video explaining the 350X motor. I have always shied away from that bike due to the complexity of the engine relative to a 250R. I look forward to more repair/renewal videos from you, thanks for your work.
Hi Riding Deep, funny, I shy away from 2 strokes. I'm learning them now. Funny we all seem to make false hurtles in life . I'm finding that the 2 stroke is a lot simpler. Lol
Loved your explanation of each step along the way! Very easy to follow along for beginners and more experienced builders alike! I hope you have the video of putting it all back together, too!
Hi Randy, yes just as soon as the parts arrive.
Loads of good information here to a fella that has a 350X. As always I'm impressed at the time and patience you spend to give us knowledge to keep these machines going.
Thank you Hanky. I think a good How To channel should be have good details and steps, so anyone can follow. There so many shows now that skip the how to, just to be entertaining. Thanks for watching.
Mr hanky would you be interested in selling your 350x??
Another great video. You do a great job of presenting very useful information in a way that is easy to understand. Looking forward to part 2!
Thanks Neil, I try to help as many people as I can, any number of those tricks could help someone else, with lesser problems. Thanks for watching and subscribing to the channel
The 350x is a bear to kick from the jump great content as always
Great work!!
I really enjoyed watching this video, you point out lots of attention to detail items that really matter. By watching this tear down of this particular bike, it's a good explanation of how all these ATCs should be look at if someone wants to do it the Wright way. I strongly agree with the methods you take, I try to be meticulous when I tear down an engine like this. The closer it is to factory, the better it is.
I hope to have that one back up and running very soon.
Love the slower detailed explanations. I am planning on pulling my 350X motor this summer. I have never done this kind of work before and I appreciate all the tips of things to look for. I will be recording and photoing it also, so if I get in to any trouble, hopefully I can refer back to my recordings. Been enjoying your channel, thank you for sharing.
Thank you MC1173, taking photos of where everything is is very helpful, also lay your parts out in order they come off.
MC1173 would you be interested in selling your 350x to me
Hi Alex. Appreciate the offer, but not interested in selling at this time.
A couple of times I had to stop the vid and take a short walk and think about how bad this might be, but it turned out to be a series of "fixable" problems. I used to have an open mind when it came to finding out how bad the damage was on a machine but after working at 3 shops, not as a mechanic, but how badly " do it yourselfers" and kids destroy equipment on a regular basis, I guess I'm gun shy. Since it wasn't intentional, it shouldn't cost so much to fix it, no matter how many energy drink or beer drinking clowns spent time taking every shortcut known to man. Glad the patient has a positive prognosis and I enjoy your work very much. By the way, it snowed this morning and rained all afternoon, no calendar spoken here.
Thanks ATV seat exchange. Yep she was a mess, but I think I can save it. Parts are ordered, part 2 will be up ASAP.
Great video! Your builds are a perfect mix of restoration while keeping the bikes everyday rideable. I will gladly give up a little shine to have it light up on the 2nd kick! You got a new subscriber here.
Thank you John, the old says holds true, "chrome wont get you home" lol
Thanks for the kind words.
Okay, I love this dude -thanks for the info and vid!!!
Your welcome creek, glad to help
I would like to say I really in joyed watching this video your a natural at this you explain everything so clearly .. it usually takes me a takes me watching the video tree times before I can go out and do this but on your video it just took one time and I rebuilt my 185s of your video so thank you and keep up that good work your badass I really think the sky is the limit for you keep making videos they help use out a lot and I’ve learned a lot and I’m sure all those macho guy I know how to do that!!! Learns a lot …,
Thank you for all the kind words.
My 86 250r is one of the most reliable 2 strokes I've ever owned it's one of the most reliable 3wheelers I've ever owned it can sit 10 months and still always starts right up glad to see your 250r is treating you good also
It's still new to me, but it has become my favorite of them all.
glad your getting to the 350x! mine had that hard to kick felt like it wanted to get stuck feeling. mine was a previous owner leaving a cam bolt loose!
Sometimes the previous owners cause as many problems as they fix. Lol
I got one of them moneys pits ! 85 barn find and long / short I had it rebuilt snd freshened it up and broke it in and put it away. Still havnt made it a 2 kick bike but I will get it there . Interested to see what you need for yours. Great videos thanks for posting 👍
You can do it. Thanks for watching
WOW!! How much I have learned in the first 13 minutes!! Honestly, you had me at 350X!! SOLD!! Name your price!! 😂😂. As you have peeled back the layers, there are a lot of small things that really add up. You are a very good teacher. I’m still watching…I’m sure I’ll comment again! 👍👍
I'm glad you like it, I truly thought I could save it with out pulling the engine. I find is so much harder to come behind another mechanic. I usually dont buy fixed up type bikes, but a 350x is hard to come by, so I couldnt pass it up.
Loving this new adventure bud I'm definitely looking forward to seeing more. this beauty needs to be brought back to factory and that aftermarket tensioner goes in the trash there ticking time bombs.
He mike, agreed, I have a factory adjuster on the way, along with a heap of other parts. This bike will be put back right.
Great job brother thanks for sharing.
That was a good one. That trike is a blast.
Lesson learned. Never order a new piston for your used or new cylinder without having piston wall clearence checked. Very important.
After troubleshooting for quite some time i caMe to your video amd as soon as you said “kill switch” i palmed mt forehead😂
I am glad I could help, sorry for the palm slap! Welcome to the channel.
Hahaha thank you
Oh! Was going to mention…sounds like you are playing some “synthesizer revenge of the nerds” rendition of Sweet Child O’ Mine for some background music!!? Heh?? Lol.
I wish RUclips would let us use copyrighted music.
NICE WORK.
Thank you sir
Good video brother. Hope everything goes good on it. Hope you hit 10.000 subs.
Thank you Pat, I set a goal, so I would have a target to shoot for.
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Very informative video. Tearing 4 strokes down has always been a dreading thing to me even though I’ve done it before. There’s just so much more going on with pieces and parts. I can see how the previous owner messed up. The only thing I would have done different than you in the tear down is put specific bolts that go together in a zip lock bag and mark what they are and note if there is ones that are longer ware they go. That way if a month goes by before your able to put it back together you can refresh your memory and it just makes things easier. I use to do the all in a coffee can method and always something would either come up missing or I’d forget ware something went. Hopefully by saying that I don’t jinx ya.
Hey Bangs, yep the baggie method is best, coffee cans work for me, but it does happen, there easily mixed up. Thanks for watching. I appreciate the support
I agree that’s so hard to kick it’s got compression
In this case it was a sticking piston
@@mrcbuilds yeah I agree again I’m still in middle of the video. So does it end up being out 180 then?
@@mrcbuilds I’m guessing it’s honed to much got it loose and binding
Yup tolerances on a engine are critical, that explains the hard starting and low compression. Looks fixable though, im assuming that you are going to go back stock size hopefully the head cleans up and no valves are bent. With that cam being 180 out maybe that's why you had that piston damage
Hi Tommy, could be, I have a cam on the way, I am pulling thr valves and checking. Yes, back mostly stock. Nothing fancy, I lean toward reliable and longevity over race parts. Lol thanks for watching and supporting the channel.
YEP ... !
I TOTALLY AGREE ...
Hone That Cylinder ...
Put in a CORRECT Size New Piston And New Ring Set ...
Replace That Cam With A New One , Or " Good "
Used One ...
Check And / OR
Replace ALL 4 Valves ...
Clean EVERYTHING Out Real GOOD ...
Put it All Back Together ,
WITH FRESH / NEW OIL AND OIL FILTER CHANGE OF COURSE ...
Crank it To Life And LET IT ALL " BREAK IN " CORRECTLY AND PROPERLY ...
And I Bet it Will Be Fine And Back to
Normal From Then On .
You are missing your top motor mount my friend and it will crack your frame if you ride without it after a while. It puts the weight of your motor on your down tube more without it.
Yes, your right mike, among other things on this bike, good eye!
I thought that if the piston is on top and the cam lobes on the bottom were that way it is to be. so just move the cam
Hey Pal great video! I really thought you had it figured out with the cam timing ! I'm wondering when the epiphany hit ya that it maybe cam timing! At dinner watching TV or in the middle of the night ? Got ya covered on your vrt trv or rtv I just call it pook ! You may wanna try some loc tite 518 aka red pook works good on housings! My 85 Big Red keeps eating gas tank grommets! Tried sticking them on with pook but it ate the grommets and licked the bracket clean ! Any suggestions? Thanks
hmmm, that's an odd one, old grommets get hard and brittle, if yours aren't brittle then I think the tank is moving around to much, do you have a large washer on the bolt for the tank under the seat? if no, add one, if yes flip it upside-down, it may be concave and not providing enough clamping force. Thanks for watching!
Ive installed new grommets twice I don't have the correct washer on the rear under seat I have a couple washers stacked up. I'll see what I can come up with to make it more secure . My tank is plastic and about 1/4 of the front of the grommets stick out the front of the slot it fits into . I'm thinking the grommets need to set further in that slot the tank wont slide forward and futher . Oh yeah I saw what looked like a trail 70 in your shop. I had a 70 in the 70s haha . Thanks and your videos are a big help !
Nice trike, where did you get those headlights?
3x5 l.e.d. i made them
It definitely could have been a lot more worse in there than it was. Though that piston looks like it belongs to a small block Chevy more than a Honda. I'd love to get my hands on a 350X but even a beat up one goes for big bucks in this area. They're just not that common, a 200X is easier to find here than a 350X. :)
Same here, that's why I bought this one. I knew it was rough, but I couldnt let it get away. Thanks for watching.
@@mrcbuilds No problem.👍
It ran that way? If you ever have low compression, and you're not sure, put a little oil in the cylinder. Old 2 stroke trick. Helps seal up the rings and gives you an idea as to what's up. Can't believe it ran that way.
Didn't mean to insult your intelligence with the oil trick. Just wasn't all the way thru the video. Upside down cam certainly smacked the valve into the piston. Still hard to believe it ran. Had to have bent one. I love this work, just finishing my 450er total rebuild. Every last bearing and seal! Costly but fun.
The oil trick is a good one for sure. Thanks Handsolo. Nice name by the way
I like the rack on that buck… lol
Careful, ita cut ya!
Putting left ft on rt tire while kicking on downward stroke feels alot more natural. You're killing yourself trying to kick through the compression. Slowly bring it past the compression then stomp.. Unless flooded she will start or something is wrong.
Your technique is correct, this kicker could hold my weight. there was a problem in the trans (binding), I ended up replacing the trans gears set in a later video and the problem went away. It was so bad, I almost sold that machine thinking, I just couldn't kick it. lol
Hey mrc_builds? I have a question short as I can and to the point. My Yamaha 200E is fouling out spark plugs every 20 days. I did some research and the mechanic put a NGK D8EA. I researched and found the manual said it needs a D7EA. The spark plugs are black and smell like gas. Do you think it's burning too rich or lean? I'm really leaning toward a carb problem. Air to fuel ratio. Man, I don't know anything about that. When I get it started and it gets warmed up after about 10 minutes, it will sputter, slight black smoke will come out of the tail pipe and will go dead. It will crank back up, but it's the same ole thing. I just have to keep the gas to it from keeping it from going dead. Any information you can give me will be much appreciated. I wish I had your knowledge. Thanks man.
Download a spark plug chart (image) off google, as a general rule black and wet oily is bad seals, black not oily but fuel soaked is rich, tan is perfect. Melted tip is extremely lean and very hot.
I'd say lean out the mix 1/2 at a time. Checking the plug often. You may need a carb cleaning. As well.
@@mrcbuilds Thank you very much! Hey man? I learn so much from your channel. The way you respond to questions from people like me and others... we'll get you beyond 10k subscribers. Thank you and take care!
On the home page, the thumbnail for this video says Part 1 and I have tried to find Part 2, but w/o any success. Can anyone help?
ruclips.net/video/E7FLY-LI8Vk/видео.htmlsi=WMlUiYzqxwsv7CWK this should be part 2. Thanks for watching.
You cant put to big a piston in.Its the right piston size.
The previous owner put in the wrong piston.
Ive got an issue on my 84 big red. It was running fine for a few months, but one day it was rainy and i ran out of shop space to store the three wheeler so i had to leave it outside in the rain for the night. I get back outside the next day and it started up just fine, but shut off after a couple seconds. I tried and tried to get it to start back up but it wouldnt fire. I check spark and its got it. I pulled the air intake cover off and discover that my gas is shooting out the air intake instead of going inside the cylinder. I bought feeler gauges and adjusted my valves, but that didnt solve my issue and I still have gas blowing out the back of the carb. Any help is appreciated, I miss driving my big red.
That does sound strange. Have you checked the timing? Could it have jumped time when you started it, then it died, now its backfiring because it's out of time. Check the timing, if it's good than carb/fuel would be next.
@@mrcbuilds coming bakc now that ive got the time to work on my big red. How do i check timing? do i have to take the ignition timing/pickup so i can see the cam sprocket or is there a easier way?
@@mrcbuilds Do you have an Email that I can send you some photos of my problem on? checked timing using the pickup and the T mark on the flywheel, and they are wayyyyyy off. Need help on finding a solution to getting the cam timing back in order...
@@SnapdWrench try this video it covers setting the timing. From the T mark, to the cam position and the relationship of the cam gear and its dot, along with the rotor and its position.
ruclips.net/video/KBnmd-v3mLA/видео.html
@@SnapdWrench do you have FB or Instagram, Im on both, same name, the only email I have is tied to work, sorry
If you actually rode the machine there was no way it ran an was 180 out of time you should pull the rigs off an check the tip to tip clearance
Hey Thomas, yep that machine was a mess, in later videos I end up using a different transmission (kicking issue), and a new top end including cam.
Mr. mrc_builds do you have a 350x you would sell??
Hi Alexis, Sorry I do not have one for sell, this is the only one I have ever ran across to buy, I will be holing on to it for a good long time. Thanks for watching. I do have a 200x that will be for sale shortly. PM me on FB if your interested.
I bought a 1991 LT25OR (COMPLETE OVERHAUL) "needed minor work) 1985 200x "won't find a better one for 2k" nickel and diming me. I'll NEVER buy anything from Ohio again lol
I live near a town i feel that way about too. Lol
@@mrcbuilds Literally, I should have walked away from the 200x when I noticed the gas tank was zip tied to the frame but I couldn't get past its inner beauty lol.
@@CVLT250-R 200x is one of Hondas failures to be a reliable great machine. At least that was my experience with my brother who had 3 of them and one or the other was always broke down
I never liked Honda RFVC motors. Ive seen a lot of top end problems and I think they are the worst engine Honda made! Yamaha Suzuki engines those years were much better especially the valvetrain
I installed new guides and valves, i also reemed out the guides, i think these engines suffer from poor head oiling and to tight tolerances on the guides causing the valve to drag and get bound up.
If the stock original made in Japan Honda piston was used instead of after market junk this would not be the case. People that do not know how to work on engines shouldn't.
Hey Anthony, im sure JE and Wiseco would disagree, but i understand your love for OE parts. The previous owner took a lot of short cuts on this one.
I'll trade you a 200. For the 350x
Tempting. Lol