New Class 710 Overground Trains
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- Опубликовано: 22 авг 2024
- New Class 710 trains are coming to the London Overground, and so we dropped in at the depot at Willesden to go and have a look. Thanks to all the staff at the depot, the future is Orange!
- 8 new trains will go to the Gospel Oak - Barking line in November 2018. (the units already in service there are going to West Midlands Railways)
- Some new 710's will then run on the Euston - Watford line (there will be a mix of units)
- The 378's that are displaced there will then allow for 10tph on the Clapham/Richmond/Stratford lines (710's will not run here, it will all be 378's)
- the 315's/317's on the West Anglie lines (Cheshunt/Chingford/Enfield) will all be replaced by 710's.
TfL Press Release: tfl.gov.uk/inf...
I think the trains having on-board WiFi should be the headline here.
Ads nah underground needs it
Used the trains and the WiFi can be quite bad at most times still, better to have it than not
On swrs (their 458) i did a speedtest and did get 15mbps which is better than others
They have usb chargers on buses now in London
I like the lengthwise seats, way easier to get in and out and more standing room for folks only going a few stops. USB ports is a nice touch but I do see it becoming a potential choke point tho.
Something tells me West Anglia passengers won't see it that way. It's a TfL obsession that should stay where it's truly needed. It isn't on West Anglia.
Are we sure the West Anglia 8-car sets won't have a different seat configuration? Like the Elizabeth Line 345s, they could have a mix of seating styles.
some will charge their phones on the train.
Reason077 That was planned, I even remember TfL saying that. At some point they changed their mind. It's just silly. All other operators cope with 2+2 seating on new trains, even SWRs new suburban trains will be and they have some of the highest station usage in London. I can't see why West Anglia can't. If the South London operators did this, people would go mad.
Lee - I guess it must be because they want a common fleet with identical units that can be swapped between lines. Otherwise it's strange that TfL would specify (mixed) 2+2 on the Elizabeth line but not the West Anglia.
I wish they had a few forward facing seats mixed in with the sideways, like the Metropolitan line trains. A lot of the time the train is not that full and for train geeks like us it makes it much harder to look out of the window when facing away from it.
0:13 Well, at least there's one comfortable seat on the train. And it has a good view out of the window. Pity about the rest.
Lovely and clean and fresh. For how long do we think? Now, if they could develop a paint/coating for the grab bars that doesn't collect those weird black scuffs you see on nearly every train then that would be a big plus. I always think they must be off the rubber soles of people's shoes, but as you see them even on bars coming out of the ceiling I don't know where they come from. Unless the British gymnastics team have really run out of funding and have to do their workouts on the trains!
I dont know about the scuffs, but the chips in the paint comes from people rings!
So much thought goes into making these train cars.
I’m gonna miss the class 317s...
these are mainly replacing 315s (my second favourite trains) and 720s are taking the 317s (my first favourite trains) out. os sad to see
Good riddance to the Class 315
Your opinion. Class 315 are going to be replaced by a superior train, a modern train fit for the 21st Century.
The 315s and 317s are one of my favourite multiple units and as an enthusiast from a young age they have formed part of my childhood. However as sad as it will be to see them go, it’s a necessary step forward for today’s greater demand for rail travel.
all these years, passengers complained they couldn't get a seat. solution, no seats and lots of standing room. thats progress for you
Cant wait once they roll these beauties on West Anglia route. Thanks for update Geoff, enjoyable as always!
Meant to come into service November 2018...
Meanwhile in March 2019 they are all stuck at Willesden depot 🤔
315s and 317s for life
@@lakshmanpathak YES MATE!!
Squircle? Squircle!?
Square + circle
Squirtle.
What a stupid name for a shape semi circle suits it
oforid222 official well, no. A semi-circle is a semi-circle, not a squircle
Excactly. It's an oblong!
These are gonna be on my local line soon as my local Stations are Leyton Midland Road, Walthamstow Queens Road, and Walthamstow Central. Will be a shame to see the 317, 315 and 172's go!
Saw one of these in passing at the Bombardier plant when I was up in Derby at the weekend.
The orange and green just makes me think of the old Glasgow corporation colours
You can tell that's a simulation at 2:24: Good Service on every single line! :D
XD
If it's only showing underground lines, what about the Piccadilly, Victoria and Waterloo & City lines?
But sometimes it actually happens... good service on every line
Actually it is not rare, at least 4 days a week most of the time they are all goofd service.
@@---dp6wl look, the dog is obviously the person's pet as no dog has the mental capacity to use the internet.
He forgot to mention the Watford DC line when he was saying what lines they will be going on.
Basically class 345 Crossrail trains
Yeah, but with four cars it is a bit shorter than a Crossrail train.
AldanFerrox True
RAFGAMEING 795 And add to that, the seats are all longitudinal
These have screens on the side.
RAFGAMEING 795 minus the sensible seating layout
Cab is beautiful
I like bigger windows. I really wish TfL and manufacturers would add a 3rd set of doors to each carriage. When train is crowded it can be a hassle to get to the door. Causing extra delays. I wish they would use more rapid transit style trains rather than mainline commuter style.
These are the same type of train as the Class 345 on PurpleRail, with some modifications such as only being 4 cars, different seating and obviously the London Overground Colour Livery. The type is the Bombardier Aventra. The current trains on the Overground (most lines) are Class 378 Capitalstar, Part of the Electrostar Family.
Also the 345 shares much more of its components with the Electrostar than it does with the 710. Essentially only the bodyshell is really from the Aventra. That's why it hasn't suffered anywhere near as badly
👏🏼👏🏼 E N T E R S E R V I C E A L R E A D Y 👏🏼👏🏼
Its here already
Hi Geoff
Just came across your videos recently.
Thank you. Very informative.
A better interior than the slightly compromised 378s, where the windows are too low and I bang my head on the window intrusions (hopper opener and exterior display) when I sit normally!
Nice to see they've recognised the problem with people missing the door open button as it's nowhere near the actual door! Problem is the crossrail trains still have the problem even if these don't. Maybe they can retrofit them to the 345s
Smart idea to put an extra door open button on the door itself. I just hope they don't make the beeps too *loud* like on the TfL Rail Class 345s. Those are ridiculous!
Wear some ear muffs, then, the beeps are too loud??? You sound like a real snowflake!!!!!!
The alarms on the class 345 are *seriously* loud. Incredibly annoying and so loud I'd actually be worried about long term damage to hearing (especially children's) if they're riding the train frequently! Why should we have to wear ear muffs to ride a train? Fixing this should be simple.
Interesting use of the poles to draw people away from the doors and into the centre of the cars
YES! Not the terrible rock hard seats on the 387/700/707, but the slightly better Crossrail class 345 seats.
Vilho & Jimi The 707s aren’t that bad at all. It’s the 700s that are ironing boards
Great, the idiotic seat argument. On 387s, 707s and 345s, seats like that are acceptable because they are to maximise space and they are on metro trains. Ie. not for long distance. And anyway, I commute everyday for over 40 minutes on a 707 (and I have a bad back) and they support my back so much better than seats on units such as the 458s, which are not only uncomfortable but massive as well, minimising space. On trains such as the 700 and 800, not so acceptable because of the distances they travel.
Well, I actually don’t live in London, but I did travel London to Cambridge and back, on 387s. My back hurt for 2 days because of them.
ND78S, Oh give over mate.. Just because you do not agree he is not trying to start an argument.
No one is trying to start an argument. You are far too touchy. It is a forum, people have differing opinions. Just because you do not like his opinion.
Nice channel Geoff! Thumbs up. Keep on doing the good work. Greetz from the Netherlands, Joachim - TrainJJ
Nice train. I get this from Queens Park to Euston for the morning commute.
These trains look nice and the walk through idea is great but the seats are hard as a rock and the seat to window configuration throughout is clearly designed to make them rush hour cattle wagons.
SG trains can never be like this.... the driver's cabin is the dream for me.
The look great! I can't wait for my first trip on one!
I live on harringey Green lanes so I'll be checking them out. Liverpool Street to Chingford /Enfield town/cheshunt that route really need these trains. It passes through one of the most ethnically diverse and forgotten neighbourhoods it has been deprived for years tfl let us down. 2 trains per route per hour Haringey, Hackney and Enfield tis easy to know why tfl didn't care
I took a journey to Bush Hill Park from Stratford and was incredibly lucky to have found the train going there straight away when I changed at Hackney Central/ Hackney Downs. Trains every half an hour is just not good enough at all
Yes finally no more busy packed trains on the barking to gossip oak train during peak
They should start it out on the Liverpool street line and get rid of those dingy old trains as quickly as possible
the GOBLIN is their priority at the moment, the trains on that line are going to another part of the country in the new year
Looks really nice, can't wait to see these on the GOBLIN Line!
Awesome Video! Can't wait for all the stations longest train!
Majority of the London overground doesn’t need trains replaced, the trains less then years old or just about 10 years old. Only part that needs new trainers is the Lee valley part. The Bakerloo line, Central line, Picadilly line like 30 years old and haven’t yet been replaced
@Shockwave, these trains are only replacing Class 172, Class 315 and 317.
They're only replacing the old trains on the Lea Valley Lines and the diesels on the GOBLIN which are being re purposed for use around Birmingham. The Piccadilly has just been ordered new trains for entry into service in about 5 years whilst the Bakerloo is waiting for a decision to be made on the Lewisham extension before ordering. After they are complete the Central will receive them as well (the central's trains are only just over half way through their life cycle)
Wow, these trains look fantastic!
"We regret to announce a delay to your TfL Class 710 service today..."
Nice posh trains. Gospel Oak to Barking Line is our local one (though I rarely use it die to it not being useful for where I usually want to go).
Great video :D It would be a great idea for you to come up to see the new Tyne and Wear Metro trains in 2021 (you saw one between Sunderland and Newcastle during All The Stations) :)
Greetings from London! 🇬🇧
saw a couple of these going past on the East London Line route too!
They're not cleared for the East London Line, are you sure it wasn't a refurbished 378?
Wow, this is something to look forward to.
The orange fronts remind me of the new Waratah trains in New South Wales!
Love this channel!
Well these trains are quite obviously tube trains on the inside so the lines they operate on should be included on the 'tube' map. Looking forward to getting London's castoffs cascaded to Birmingham when these enter service.
Bungle2010 Yes but Geoff was, in another video contemplating what should and shouldn't be on the tube map
Oh dear - I hate those sticky out armrests, I prefer the current 378 ones that fold down to meet the seat base. The sticky out armrests always seem to catch on my coat pocket.
Stops people lying down or taking up more than one seat.
You sound like a right snowflake!!!!!!!
Fantastic job. Well done. Looks like you may be trending....
They look just as good as the crossrail class 345 trains (possibly even better!)
finally USB Ports looks great more of a modern touch
This unit will be heading back to Derby already it seems, not sure why though.
Thats just about right less seats and cram more people in when i travel on a train i expect a nice ride seats with a table and to have a nice time not standing up for half an hour going to where i want to go
And are you going to be happy to pay the higher fares that would be needed to cover the cost of more trains, bigger trains and better equipped trains? Why do you need a table for a short, suburban journey?
stevieinselby better than standing id rarther have a table
Bungle2010 no i pay for a comfortable ride and not to be treated like cattle
Bungle2010 no i dont expect that on a tube journey but this isnt the tube look at the class 155s seats tabals and there is still standing room and people like them
Bungle2010 so your saying you want to be treated like cattle?
l like the fact that the 710s have orange fronts. The 378s should get orange fronts as well.
Plus I also like the green added to the seating moquette.
New Overground Trains operating on North Line And East London will be seeing theses Trains in Enfield Town ✅Cheshunt And Chingford 😱😱😱I’m so exited and Liverpool Street that cool
Jamal hope not on north and east london line bud
TheProReviewerHD #AllThingsChelsea There will be a few on the North and West London Lines so there can be 10 trains an hour on that route, and there will be more 378s for the ELL as well, which will likely be refurbished to a similar standard to the 710s as well
@@agent_605 not one person has shown me legitimate proof that these would be on the NLL and WLL.
TheProReviewerHD #AllThingsChelsea The guy literally says in the video they will be introduced there, and there isn’t anywhere else on the London Overground Network that will need 5 car units
@@agent_605 he didn't say that.
I can't wait for these, but I'll be sad to see the 172s go 😢
Nice
These trains aren’t even in gospel oak and barking line and it’s 2019
Yep, Bombardier have had many software issues with these trains as they are the first of their kind
FR 2 Mainly relating to signalling and funding gaps, caused partially by the Mayor’s fare freeze.
They are now and 8 car units on Watford DC
They look really good.
Really nice train. All trains should be this standard
What will happen to the 172s currently on Gospel Oak- Barking?
Will miss the 315s,317s when they go.
New trains galore in London,and I'm still chasing the old ones lol😆
chris217 They're getting moved to west midlands
Really, It's Nicer than Singapore's newest Trains
Wonder with the wifi and the digital screens if they'll eventually move onto adjusting targeted ads based on a general sense of what kind of people are currently riding the train based on wifi traffic and historical trends...
The front should be painted Yellow like on the other rolling stock. Continuity in design. And it looks better.
Also, this appears to be the same trainset as the Crossrail-345, making that system/service comparable to this S-Bahn like Overground service.
Or the solution that TfL seem to be taking (judging by a photo someone took outside Willesden) paint the 378s to match the 710s
I love love LOVE that livery.
Put that on Class 172 everyone will be going to Barking with the Overground!
It looks like Crossrail
I hope it doesn't have the annoying door open tone of the class 345s (beep boop, you probably know if you watch this channel)
Horrible, isn't it!!
Quality , love your videos !
Also I can't wait to ride on these
It would be really nice to have a few 2+2 seats in the centre of seating bays...Longitudinal seating is all very well for short journeys, but I cant be the only one who dislikes being dragged sideways along the train line !?! And why not but USB sockets in the ends of the seat arms ?
brammyd1 that’s what the West anglia units are getting, only the Watford DC and GOBLIN are fully longitudinal
WOW! These look cool!
Little bit to high volume for the background music, especially while the first person explains the train interour. But - that's just my taste... Anyway: good video and nice insight! THX Geoff!
Wonder if these seats are just as uncomfortable as the 345s. May as well have put park benches in them
What an interesting video. Are the 710's taking over from another class on the LO (London Overground) line? Because the 378's aren't that old fashioned yet and I can't understand why they need to stop :-/. Because the 378's only entered service in 2009 :-/. Really strange :-/. But have a nice evening and take care :-).
From Foxy :-).
They're taking over the 172s on the GOBLIN line now it's electrified as well as the 315s and 317s on the Lea Valley lines and Romford-Upminster shuttle since they're over 35 years old now. Some units will also go to the Watford DC line and North London Line to boost capacity on the NLL and on the East London Line as well
Oh ok :-). Really? What's going to happen to the 172's, 315's and 317's once the 710's have taken over from their service? :-/.
Really? Are they being preserved up at the midland railways Geoff or are they going to still work in service? Please let me know what you know about? Thanks Geoff :-).
From Foxy :-).
172 surely in service, they're newer than some of the 153/150s WMT currently have
Foxy313 West Midlands Railway (the Train operating company) will use them alongside their existing 172 fleet
Makes me want to get out and make a video of an experience on a dreaded Pacer train here in South Yorkshire - where our taxes also help fund TFL’s improvements. I won’t go on I think you all know what I’m getting at? Like if you sympathise. Say nothing if you don’t.
Bungle2010 No! I just suspect government funding for transport improvements per capita for London is more generous than it is for Yorkshire. And I am aware that rather clumsily privatised rail is more subsidised than was nationalised rail. And finally I am aware what you can do with transport relates a lot to density of population. Hence example, people in rural North Yorkshire help pay for London Tube Trains but can’t realistically expect rapid transit for Harrogate or Bridlington. But with fairer distribution of funds might see extra carriages on commuter trains to Hull or Leeds.
And we are still wait for these new train on the GOBLIN line LOL
Geoff I've heard there's a 'Crisis Bulletin' because these trains are not getting delivered and the lease on the current trains running the Goblin is about to run out. Could you do a update on this?
You'd be OK with sunshine for the day
2020 and still waiting on the West Anglia lines. :/
November 2018 for Goblin line? Missing their "New Trains" by end of Spring 2018 by quite a bit lol
Why can’t they put charging points on Crossrail trains as well!
Give Us Free WiFi & Get Rid of them horrible coloured seats then I'm a fan
That's the classic LT style, rather like the D stock used to have
AndreiTupolev but with that repulsive green added in
AndreiTupolev it's awful
The Transport Guide No
Callum LTFC what?
I feel like the orange is a bit darker.
Pretty impressive
So will the cascade strengthen services to Stratford just before full Crossrail service?
Do people think that is helpful to feed Hackney etc. in to Crossrail, or redundant within a year as cross London commuters switch to Crossrail?
DanielsPolitics1 yes it would help strengthen services as the trains from the Watford dc would come down to the NLL ELL and WLL.
The 378s are nicer imo
Anyone else look at the 710 and think. This is what the S Stock should have been like? Just me then! lol
THE FUTURE IS ALWAYS ORANGE
Great trains:)
Huh, no info on how this will affect step-free access on any of these lines? I'm particularly interested in knowing whether ramps will still be needed on the Liverpool St-Enfield stretch, or if the train will be level(ish) to the platforms...
November I thought these trains are coming into service by August or September
They were delayed due to electrification being late and so testing couldn't take place until now
Alasdair Clift thanks for the update
This service is delayed. We apologise for any inconvenience.
I think they will be on the Romford line to upminster via Emerson park
Super video!
And it looks like you can actually see out the windows
I like the subtle change to the front end colour scheme now that a yellow warning panel is no longer required on some National Rail rolling stock. It's now orange to tie in with the stripes and doors but to also give it a mild resemblance to the yellow ends of the other Overground trains and therefore maintain the corporate colour scheme for Overground.
Interesting though that the operator didn't opt for an extra set of doors on each coach like the 345s, especially as Overground is a suburban rail service with a high capacity layout (hence the seating arrangements).
Fuzzynutter an individual crossrail carriage is longer than a conventional sized carriage, that’s why there is an extra door on those units
Thanks for the info Ran Clarke.
That moquette is ugly as sin. Why brown? What dilapidated part of a 70's British Leyland factory was that found in?
A dark blue would have worked far better with the orange and light green.
I like it. Retro, yes, but that sort of thing is fashionable these days.
The front looks very weird in my opinion, but apart from that they seem like cool trains!
My biggest concern is with door mounted push buttons. If the train runs at a "crush load" what would happen when the doors are released? Could someone accidentally push the button on the door and end up falling out of the train? Passengers can be a bit careless.
Mick Daubney wtf? There's always been a safety mechanism where when the train is moving the doors remain closed at all times regardless if you push the button once or a 100 times.