Just something to point out, from the first moment the left engine caught on fire to foam being applied by fire services was 2 minutes and 30 seconds, the fire engines were actually rolling before the alarm sounded. A friend of mine was on duty that day and saw the first ball of fire. A great job by the BA crew and the fire crew.
That's unfortunately not actually an absolute truth. There have been many cases of airliners suffering horrific fires on the ground, with dozens of fatalities and hundreds of horrific burn injuries, when there is every possibility that in the air the fire could have been extinguished. You would have tio get down to a case-by-case analysis to adjudicate this, and this BA crew obviously did the right thing at the right time, but your blanket statement that an engine failure before V1 is going to be a better outcome is not an obvious one.
Yeah Buddy!! In '61, Panama to Miami on Lan Chili Air DC-6, #2 blew up req 2 bottles to put out, then #3 blew req 1 bottle, then #4 just plane quit in mourning for loss of #3!! We were in middle of Caribbean really liken' #1. Picked up couple pieces of metal just barely clearing Cuba, but the MIGs left when no longer a problem. Castro had said all would be shot down, but Leader was Russian. All fireboats out, and fire engines along path of decent, but Capt screwed 'em by landing on grass Threshold, bumping up onto foote w/last turns of the wheels. We had flown Lan Chile as had never had a crash, & on that day, they proved why!!
I always figured that there would be passengers who felt retrieving their own carry-on would be much more important than the other passengers getting off.
I agree but it's also quite possible that they had all their money, passport, credit cards and their boarding passes if they are not on a direct flight. Who knows
That's supposedly what happened during Aeroflot Flight 1492 in 2019. Passengers scrambled for their luggage in a burning aircraft, slowing down the emergency egress.
I disagree. It’s a panic situation. People under severe stress simply do things, often things which are normal as the mind cannot grasp the magnitude of an event. It’s a coping mechanism.
@@sean_connors Its an excuse for not facing your current situation The mind can grasp any situation if you train it to do so.. Emotional and mental awareness are linked together
I really enjoyed the combination of a printed description along with the actual atc/aircrew radio comms plus, of course, the excellent flight sim production. Great production, thank you! ✈️🍾❤️
Thank God they were still just taking off and not in the air when this happened. How terrifying it had to be for the passengers. Only one passenger injured and that's amazing! Thank you for another great presentation.
As far as the overhead is concerned, leave it. On your person, you should have either cash or check from the casino, passport and wallet+phone. Call your spouse, reassure her/him. Then call the person you spent the night with, "Come pick me up, I'm exhausted."
@@smcdonald9991exactly, 30 minutes later they would’ve been at speed and almost at their cruising altitude, the effects of the fire would have been much less severe in my opinion
Pilots, flight attendants and air traffic controllers have to be ready for anything, anywhere at anytime. ❤❤ By the way, your channel is absolutely amazing. Great job!
Near the end it mentioned countermeasures to keep passengers from exiting with their carryon luggage in an emergency. What kinds of things does the crew use to force passengers to leave their carryons?
They can only yell at them. One possible countermeasure would be to prosecute offenders for disregarding crew instructions, issuing stiff fines, and making it very, very public.
@@danpatterson8009 So you would have to pass a LAW to do that. You cannot prosecute just cause a customer didn't follow a curtesy or policy. The worse an airline could do is prevent that passenger from riding on their airline or not allow carryon.
On flights give away numbers of about 18 inch size and say to passengers all passports, credit cards money tablets phones with batteries in will go inbum bags jewellery children's toys favourite cuddles can go in a carrier bag on floor under seat and say no other carry on is allowed unless it's medication and that must be in a carrier bag easier for scanning at security bum bag even if 20 inch isn't going to get in way I guess itcoujdfet uncomfy on along flight passengers would've allowed to loosen them unless seat belt sign was on or a e me regency had been declared ina fatal scanerio it would help identifying passengers also in this incident fire engines should have been there as soon as planes stopped I don't suppose fire engines were that long but that's the way I'd solve overhead lockers would be bum bags for men women and children
Boeing does not design, build, or maintain aircraft engines. They don't sell them either, the engines are typically a separate purchase arrangement from the aircraft itself. This incident had nothing to do with Boeing and it was nine years ago. Do you have any other interesting comments?
Please be advised by uploading these videos (where you combine two older episodes into one), you’re making people unsubscribe. What I think is happening is, no, the owner didn’t give this channel to someone else. The original owner might continue to upload two older episodes in one, each of them in the newer text formatting. He won’t stop unless all episodes before Sichuan 8633 are in the newer text format. But then again, that’s absolutely unnecessary. I don’t care if it’s in the newer text format or not! Sorry if I wasted your time by reading all of this. As always, I don’t mean to pressure you, TheFlightChannel. I just really miss the older type of content.
I would also add, please consider moving your ad breaks to before or after the most significant parts of each incident. It seriously detracts from the attention given to the events and derails the momentum of the story. Thanks!
@@georgecastrissiades3671I don’t really care when he does that. Although he should do the sponsors right before the intro or at the end of the video, like he did with ALM 980.
@@georgecastrissiades3671I really don’t think he has any control over the ads. They aren’t even the same ones for everyone. You can always get RUclips premium and not worry about ads at all.
The atc on the first one who spotted the fire was the lady who had the stroke whilst on air a few years back aswell. Had the trucks rolling before the crew even knew about the fire apparently.
Will be great to see a system that locks all the overhead lockers until the fasten seatbelt light goes off so people can’t get their luggage in case of an evacuation.
Many concerned and responsible travellers have suggested this years back because it has caused many deaths…Unfortunately it doesn’t seem to be a constructors priority….
Over the years, that could have saved countless lives. It would be better if the overhead lockers were locked at all times after leaving the gate, until the plane was off the runway after landing. The cabin staff should have a key to open a single compartment if necessary during flight. If this became the norm, passengers would just accept it and take items they needed (such as medication) out in advance. Phones should also be completely banned from the overhead lockers, due to fire risk.
At 9:18 the plane is turning to the right, not the left. And in the first incident, was there any reason why the cabin crew, having been unable to contact the flight deck, did not initiate evacuation procedures?
I've never seen an engine fire so extreme to the point that the ENTIRE WING MELTS like we see at 13:10 and 14:42! Thank goodness this fire broke out while still on the ground and not airborne, because I'm not sure if they would've even had a fighting chance if this occurred during cruise
I'm seconds away from dying a horrible death, being burned alive, wait, everyone stop, I need my bag. Yup, people are really, really not getting smarter, despite the internet. The main reason I avoid crowded places, people are cattle, for the most part, walking around in a daze.
The vast majority of humanity is just barely above the sub human level, cognitively and emotionally. Notice how quickly people "lose it" nowadays and seem to lack rational thought. No wonder a small elite had always run the show.
I usually carry on only a small backpack that acts more like a purse since they make you empty your pockets. I keep it at my feet under the seat. Depending on the situation I might be tempted to strap that on my front. But getting a rolling bag, no way.
Would you be willing to die for the contents of your bag ? Would you be willing to sacrifice another who may not get out, because your bag was in their way ? They want you free and unencumbered for a reason. No matter it's size, it takes some away from your mobility. This has all been documented and studied. You do you, but if it's my plane on fire, I'm getting out, to hell with everything else. @@AustralianOpalRocks
BRILLIANTLY SAID!!! You said my thought exactly. So true. Would rather be around animals. They have better instincts. These entitled thugs could have caused deaths of other passengers just because they had to have their booty bags.
The description in the beginning of the says "Las Vegas Airport"...it was actually McCarran International Airport which was renamed Harry Reid International Airport. I was born and raised in Vegas and needed to point that out.
@Willy People are speculating that this channel changed owners and that the guy is just doubling up or repackaging the previous owners videos. I think it could be true.
As this occurred, I was flying in from Los Angeles, and our flight was in a holding pattern over the Nevada and California border for about 30 minutes. Seeing the British Airways plane on the runway with the burn marks and slides deployed was an eerie sight.
charles, Do you know about the Boeing whistleblower (John Barnett, a retired QA mgr who worked for Boeing for over 30 years) was found dead in his truck in a hotel parking lot of a (supposed) self-inflicted gunshot wound? He told family members "if anything happens to me, it's NOT suicide". 🤔🤐🤨
Thank you for a very nice video. If you are stopping a commercial jet on the runway through a rejected takeoff or you have an engine fire while taxiing, it's highly unlikely you will be using the other engine once you've stopped, so you might as well shut it off (it's not doing anything useful for you - assuming you have turned on the APU - and it could hurt you by injuring a passenger, or perhaps catching fire because the fuel leak is not confined to the side affected first). So turning it off keeps your passengers, crew and arriving first responders safer. As to the use of the engine bottles: if you know that the engine nacelle's volume is too small to benefit from discharging more than one fire bottle at a time, that is, half of the fire-suppressing gas would end up outside the nacelle blowing into the wind, then it might make sense to use one bottle, observe the result, and then use another bottle as needed. However, if that's not the case, use both at once because you really do want to put the fire out. The pilots should know this relationship if they are familiar with the aircraft, and it should be explained clearly in procedures. Lastly, any passenger disregarding flight attendants' instructions to leave personal items behind when evacuating poses a threat to the safety of others. Such passengers should be banned from flying that airline again and should be subject to prosecution by the FAA, which can impose fines and also ban them from flying. Any passenger who is injured due to interaction with another passenger's suitcase or handbag on the evacuation slide or on the wing emergency path should find a lawyer and file a lawsuit against the offender.
HEAR HEAR on your "passengers" portion. It can come down to ONE SECOND MATTRES. A child or person could die! I am so happy see someone else stating banning from flying and charges brought against such entitled selfish thugs. Bravo for the analysis of yours.
In cases of an engine fire prior to take-off, onemight assume that the immediate shut-down of all engines would be imperative.Not so, apparently-at least at that time of these incidents-which begs the question: is the absence of a specific command in a checklist, of itself, sufficient to countermand common sense?
You misunderstand. There are hundreds of older accidents this guy hasn't covered, and of late he keeps reposting his older videos with more and more clickbaity titles. Of course we are glad aviation has gotten safer, that goes without saying. @@dakg8034
BA2276 feels eerily similar to Singapore 368, a 777-300ER that had a similar problem a year later. Both GE90s, both engine fires. Do you know if the cause was similar and if it was fixed properly? Especially since GE is now the sole engine supplier for the 777.
I believe they weren`t just engine fires they were GE90 uncontained engine failures sending out shrapnel. As with all things mechanical it happens & no engine manufacterer is immune, fortunately it`s a rare occurrence making these turbines very reliable.
13:19 Relevant NTSB report extract: "The captain did not perform the remaining steps of the engine fire checklist (which applied only to airplanes that were in flight) and instead called for the evacuation checklist. The left engine was shut down as part of that checklist. However, the flight attendants had already initiated the evacuation, in accordance with their authority to do so in a life-threatening situation, due to the severity of the fire on the right side of the airplane."
A switch in the cockpit to automatically lock all overhead bins. When the captain announces the evacuation he also informs all overhead bins are locked.
Seems like the beancounter mentality has taken over. Just run reruns because the short term profits will be better if you do not have to spend money on new content. Could be the guy is tired, or short of fresh data for new content, to be somewhat fair.
What, you want more crashes so they'll have new videos? Seriously, use your brain. Not many airliners crash anymore! Most channels have covered all there is.
I don't think anyone actually wants more crashes. At least, I'd certainly hope not. As a member of the flying public, I know that I certainly don't. I don't want to speak for anyone else, but I think it's possible that some of the viewers mean that they wish TFC would cover crashes that have already happened but just haven't been covered on this channel. Everyone take care, stay safe, and have a nice day. ✈️
I think at the time of the incident the heading for the runway is still 07 for both left/right but due to "Change in Magnetic Poles" which is a thing (science) "The magnetic North Pole has shifted. In truth, it's always moving by about 40 miles per year" according to google, this causing the FAA to check every 5 years that if the heading of the runway change more than 7 degrees they have to change to runway number. To this day Las Vegas (KLAS) now already change the runway to 08L n 08R since 2017 and also because I think they use a new updated airport mod so that's why in the video it show 08L not 07L. sry for the grammar I'm not good in english ;(
I believe it's an indication that they're currently over the weight they can safely land at, due to the amount of fuel on board. If that's not quite right- happy to be corrected!
I was in the emergency window seat port side in Pittsburgh once. We sat on the taxiway waiting for weather to pass for about an hour. After which the pilot started up the port side engine and immediately a huge plume of smoke came out from the engine. I was looking at the window when this occurred. I turned to the guy beside me almost immediately and said... We are going no where. After about another hour at the gate they said they would have to deplane us. "NO way!" I said sarcastically. Ended up flying us in another plane after a 5 hour delay. Glad it happened on the ground instead of up in the air!
I would say so, absent any other information to inform us differently. I am also thinking that the hours value includes the times whenever the engines are on. So, taxing, etc., not just in the air. Again, I am guessing.
Decide to evacuate and you still have to have a check list to tell you to shut down any remaining engines describes just what is wrong with modern society.
Agree with you. But I think the List is also Made because in such situations panic can occure and mistakes can be done due to the high volume of stress, at least i think so
There are critical procedures that are considered memory items, that pilots must be able to do correctly without a checklist. That being said, you are not a pilot, nor have you had any training, nor do you have the faintest clue what goes into that training, so how about you wind your neck in.
@@mattd6085 I sure hope your not telling me to wind my neck in. Yes there are critical procedures now, you are expected to act the following way you do in training during an actual emergency, however you forget to think about stress and the difference between life and death. Boom all of a sudden you have an electrical fire all of a sudden abroad the aircraft, your heart rate is going to skyrocket and you start to panic. My father who was in the RAF and flew the C130, he told me that even the training exercises are stressful enough. How about you take that into consideration
I swear your videos are getting worse all the time. You often leave out the fate of the passengers as on a number of previous videos, and on this one about the Las Vegas fire on a 777 you did not provide any information about if/when the evacuation actually began and the status of the passengers. I would recommend that you either stop doing a poor job at reporting these incidents, or spend more time providing information necessary for the viewer to understand the outcome. I used to really enjoy your videos because they got to the point and shared adequate information. However, now there are other sites which are doing a much better job that you in reporting these.
In the second video, the flight attendants opened the right hand doors, even though the fire was on the right side of the airplane ?! Why ? Aarre Peltomaa
This may have been mentioned but the interphone pictures were swapped, with the "classic" interphone being labeled as the one onboard, that used in training most likely was the older model from the 1980's, or 90s, that would not have been onboard, in fact the one used for training was likely the one that looked like the 1980's vintage and the more confusing model would have been the newer interphone onboard that confused the attendants. And the "discrete white spot" in the microstructure picture was not explained, what was it? Pearlite? Martinsite? Hydrogen embrittlement? .
Possibly a dumb question, but can this issue occur mid flight, or is it a take off issue. Also if it does happen mid flight what’s the odds of controlling it and landing?
Takeoff, unlike cruising or landing, requires full power; throttling the engines up is when any faults are most likely to manifest. Whether takeoff can be completed on one engine will depend on multiple factors - takeoff weight, weather conditions etc. Once at cruising altitude, modern airliners are designed to be able to fly on one engine. They wouldn't be certified for operation over water otherwise. Provided that the fire is extinguished / under control and no damage has been caused to hydraulics, control surfaces etc there's no reason the AC can't return to the airfield snd land safely.
is it just me or are the videos like getting re uploaded if you dig deep enough you can find 5 re uploads of this exact same video but compiled with diff ones
My son does compliance auditing of suppliers that make parts for Boeing. He has some real horror stories about the shortcuts that take place in the manufacturing process.
@@tj4234No he hasn’t. The only Pan Am related accidents he’s done are the Tenerife airport disaster (Pan Am 1736), Pan Am 914 (not real), and Pan Am 845.
TheFlightChannel: The text in your videos is getting sloppy: Typos, misspellings, words that should be plural are singular and vice versa. Egs: At 6:45, "fuel supply line that release fuel" should be "releases"; and at 6:55, "lifing analysis." Something to think about.
This is 99% of the young generation today - younger is to mean folks under 50! They all speak in acronyms, fragmented sentences, and chopped up verbiage. It runs from the texting generations - which I HATE doing. So grammatical errors are everywhere today - both in typed words and sentences and in speech. It is like scratching a chalk board when hearing it. Also, the sheer immaturity of adults today is mind-boggling. Just people watch in some public area! It is a *##$ show.
I had to stop watching this simulated video after the first ten seconds when the narrator stated that this aircraft was departing the “Las Vegas Airport”. There is no such thing as the Las Vegas airport. So, if the first ten seconds is incorrect, how can you believe any of the rest of it?
@@bryanlas Wrong - The airport in Las Vegas, NV (LAS) was once called McCarren International. It is now called Harry Reid International, but it is NEVER referred to “Las Vegas Airport”. Please get your information straight.
ALL essential actions should be checklisted, to ensure utter consistency. Engine fire is a memory item, meaning the checklist to handle a fire should be known by heart by all pilots. If you don't know what you're talking about, don't comment
My first thought was "Why the hell is the plane not being evacuated?" They need to put a step onto a checklist to tell the pilot to get the people of the plane? I'm no pilot but my first command would be "Get these people off the plane ASAP". Like this will help people with a fear of flying...like me. Booze helps.
Considering all of the flights and hours flown by different planes and pilots and other staff,you would think that procedures for different scenarios would have been brought to light by then. I wonder if this had of happened 30 or 40 seconds later, what could the outcome have been?
To hazard a guess I would say that physical mirrors big enough to be useful would negatively affect the aerodynamics of the plane, to the extent of even affecting the airflow to the wings and flight control surfaces. In terms of fitting cameras, newer planes such as the airbus A350 have these.
Checklists be damned. If you stop your plane because of an engine fire on the runway, cut off fuel and pull a bottle, don’t you think your next thought is Kill the Other Engine because we have to evacuate from the other side to avoid the fire? Do they train common sense out of their pilots?
Losing an engine is bad but not catastrophic. Losing an engine while fragments of that engine puncture the fuel tank would be the end of everyone on board at 35 thousand feet. They can put the engine fire out but not a wing.
Steve-pk9ok with respect, your assessment is not correct. You are implying that fuel escaping from a punctured wing fuel tank would automatically ignite. Possibly, but not necessarily. That would depend on how close the escaping fuel is to a heat or ignition source, especially the failed engine. With some luck and a blessing, a thrown engine disc should, ideally, be contained within the engine nacelle. Certification requires them to do so. Unfortunately, due to extreme releases of energy, jet engine components are often flung and puncture both the engine nacelle as well as wing/aircraft body members. Hence the high risk of a fire with catastrophic engine failure. However a well-trained flight crew, dealing with an engine failure in flight would, ideally... 1 Observe engine failure and shut down engine. 2 Shut off fuel flow to failed engine. 3 Deploy fire bottles if engine fire alarm sounds. 3A Report emergency and reroute to nearest airport. 4 Visually check wings checking for fuel leak (s), damage to wings/control surfaces, fuselage etc. 5 In cockpit diligently check for loss of hydraulic fluid/impairment of controls. 6 Diligently observe fuel levels. If fuel loss detected on wing tanks with failed engine, close the cross-feed valve to failed side. I hope that helps.
@@californiadreaming9216 Did you see the hole in the wing? If it ignites there is NO containment systems for the wing. It would do the same thing as what the jet fuel did to the steel beams in the twin towers. The heat would literally melt the aluminum skin and frame. Also a fuel leak of that size means they would have only minutes before the tanks emptied and even if it didn't ignite they would have to be under 5000 ft and withing a mile or two of an airport that could handle a commercial jet liner.
I think it should be common sense enough that if a plane is on fire -- all engines should be switched off ASAP.. Consider having a camera on the top of the tail looking downwards so that pilots can see the outside of the aircraft as well as one under the aircraft to see the landing gears etc. Instead of asking the tower to CHECK for them they can see for themselves.
Just something to point out, from the first moment the left engine caught on fire to foam being applied by fire services was 2 minutes and 30 seconds, the fire engines were actually rolling before the alarm sounded. A friend of mine was on duty that day and saw the first ball of fire. A great job by the BA crew and the fire crew.
If an engine is going to fail that’s where you want to quit. Before you’re airborne with lots of runway left.
That's unfortunately not actually an absolute truth. There have been many cases of airliners suffering horrific fires on the ground, with dozens of fatalities and hundreds of horrific burn injuries, when there is every possibility that in the air the fire could have been extinguished. You would have tio get down to a case-by-case analysis to adjudicate this, and this BA crew obviously did the right thing at the right time, but your blanket statement that an engine failure before V1 is going to be a better outcome is not an obvious one.
You're absolutely right, @privatepilot4064.
Yeah Buddy!! In '61, Panama to Miami on Lan Chili Air DC-6, #2 blew up req 2 bottles to put out, then #3 blew req 1 bottle, then #4 just plane quit in mourning for loss of #3!! We were in middle of Caribbean really liken' #1. Picked up couple pieces of metal just barely clearing Cuba, but the MIGs left when no longer a problem. Castro had said all would be shot down, but Leader was Russian. All fireboats out, and fire engines along path of decent, but Capt screwed 'em by landing on grass Threshold, bumping up onto foote w/last turns of the wheels. We had flown Lan Chile as had never had a crash, & on that day, they proved why!!
@@gregfaris6959 I'd rather be in a jet on the ground when a fire breaks out (with emergency services in support), than in the air with no support!
Its bad enough you just lost your life savings at Circus Circus your plane catches fire when leaving town.
There goes the life insurance the family would have gotten to cover the debt.
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One thing out of two is easily avoidable…
They were lucky it broke when it did and not 40sec later
I always figured that there would be passengers who felt retrieving their own carry-on would be much more important than the other passengers getting off.
Yes, people can be selfish.
I agree but it's also quite possible that they had all their money, passport, credit cards and their boarding passes if they are not on a direct flight. Who knows
That's supposedly what happened during Aeroflot Flight 1492 in 2019. Passengers scrambled for their luggage in a burning aircraft, slowing down the emergency egress.
I disagree. It’s a panic situation. People under severe stress simply do things, often things which are normal as the mind cannot grasp the magnitude of an event. It’s a coping mechanism.
@@sean_connors Its an excuse for not facing your current situation
The mind can grasp any situation if you train it to do so.. Emotional and mental awareness are linked together
They were so fortunate that the fire's happened while they were still on the runway !! Great enactment as always @TheFlightChannel🌻
I really enjoyed the combination of a printed description along with the actual atc/aircrew radio comms plus, of course, the excellent flight sim production. Great production, thank you! ✈️🍾❤️
the flight sim is garbage, wake up
On the AA part of the disc (the one that flew up piercing the wing) flew a mile or so and landed through the roof of a UPS warehouse.
Thank God they were still just taking off and not in the air when this happened. How terrifying it had to be for the passengers. Only one passenger injured and that's amazing! Thank you for another great presentation.
Its a miracle that these happened before they reached rotating speed. They had time to reject and get themselves and their passengers to safety
No miracle. These things happen before and after V1, and there are different procedures for both, with comparable success rates.
Yes, with both flights. Brilliant crew on both flights. Quick acting and made perfect decisions in time. Brilliant crews.
As far as the overhead is concerned, leave it. On your person, you should have either cash or check from the casino, passport and wallet+phone. Call your spouse, reassure her/him. Then call the person you spent the night with, "Come pick me up, I'm exhausted."
@@dalereed3950 This advice is specific to Las Vegas, right?
People on those flights were so lucky. 30 minutes later and it would've been so bad.
30 seconds?
@@smcdonald9991exactly, 30 minutes later they would’ve been at speed and almost at their cruising altitude, the effects of the fire would have been much less severe in my opinion
@@smcdonald9991Either way, lucky.
@@crossplane46 I think as soon as they get airborne there isn't enough time to circle back to the field and land.
@@smcdonald9991 Why not? They would have thrust as long as at least one engine is working
Pilots, flight attendants and air traffic controllers have to be ready for anything, anywhere at anytime. ❤❤
By the way, your channel is absolutely amazing. Great job!
Near the end it mentioned countermeasures to keep passengers from exiting with their carryon luggage in an emergency. What kinds of things does the crew use to force passengers to leave their carryons?
They can only yell at them. One possible countermeasure would be to prosecute offenders for disregarding crew instructions, issuing stiff fines, and making it very, very public.
What about auto-locking overhead bins anytime an emergency door is opened...?@@danpatterson8009
@@danpatterson8009 So you would have to pass a LAW to do that. You cannot prosecute just cause a customer didn't follow a curtesy or policy. The worse an airline could do is prevent that passenger from riding on their airline or not allow carryon.
On flights give away numbers of about 18 inch size and say to passengers all passports, credit cards money tablets phones with batteries in will go inbum bags jewellery children's toys favourite cuddles can go in a carrier bag on floor under seat and say no other carry on is allowed unless it's medication and that must be in a carrier bag easier for scanning at security bum bag even if 20 inch isn't going to get in way I guess itcoujdfet uncomfy on along flight passengers would've allowed to loosen them unless seat belt sign was on or a e me regency had been declared ina fatal scanerio it would help identifying passengers also in this incident fire engines should have been there as soon as planes stopped I don't suppose fire engines were that long but that's the way I'd solve overhead lockers would be bum bags for men women and children
When the evacuation is completed, anyone who took luggage with them must re-enter the aircraft and put the luggage back.
It’s hard to believe the popular old saying “If it ain’t Boeing I’m not going” lord how times have changed.
You do know that NO aircraft manufacturer makes the engines.
It’s unfortunately not hard to believe the lack of knowledge on the Internet. Keep peddling though 😅
Boeing does not design, build, or maintain aircraft engines. They don't sell them either, the engines are typically a separate purchase arrangement from the aircraft itself. This incident had nothing to do with Boeing and it was nine years ago. Do you have any other interesting comments?
Please be advised by uploading these videos (where you combine two older episodes into one), you’re making people unsubscribe.
What I think is happening is, no, the owner didn’t give this channel to someone else. The original owner might continue to upload two older episodes in one, each of them in the newer text formatting. He won’t stop unless all episodes before Sichuan 8633 are in the newer text format. But then again, that’s absolutely unnecessary. I don’t care if it’s in the newer text format or not!
Sorry if I wasted your time by reading all of this. As always, I don’t mean to pressure you, TheFlightChannel. I just really miss the older type of content.
I would also add, please consider moving your ad breaks to before or after the most significant parts of each incident. It seriously detracts from the attention given to the events and derails the momentum of the story. Thanks!
@@georgecastrissiades3671I don’t really care when he does that. Although he should do the sponsors right before the intro or at the end of the video, like he did with ALM 980.
@@georgecastrissiades3671I really don’t think he has any control over the ads. They aren’t even the same ones for everyone. You can always get RUclips premium and not worry about ads at all.
Well I am a brand new sub here. I have never heard of these stories before, so it was beneficial for me to see.
@@georgecastrissiades3671 Well said.
The atc on the first one who spotted the fire was the lady who had the stroke whilst on air a few years back aswell. Had the trucks rolling before the crew even knew about the fire apparently.
Will be great to see a system that locks all the overhead lockers until the fasten seatbelt light goes off so people can’t get their luggage in case of an evacuation.
That's a brilliant idea, or its got a release mechanism by the staff.
@@Jeff-q4u yes exactly, something mechanical that can’t break down.
@@nickdegroot2445 or stops evacuations, because you know, danger!
You should patent that and write to the airlines, if they haven't read this feed😬
Many concerned and responsible travellers have suggested this years back because it has caused many deaths…Unfortunately it doesn’t seem to be a constructors priority….
Over the years, that could have saved countless lives. It would be better if the overhead lockers were locked at all times after leaving the gate, until the plane was off the runway after landing. The cabin staff should have a key to open a single compartment if necessary during flight.
If this became the norm, passengers would just accept it and take items they needed (such as medication) out in advance.
Phones should also be completely banned from the overhead lockers, due to fire risk.
G-VIIO (the BA plane) was repaired and still flies today.
At 9:18 the plane is turning to the right, not the left. And in the first incident, was there any reason why the cabin crew, having been unable to contact the flight deck, did not initiate evacuation procedures?
I've never seen an engine fire so extreme to the point that the ENTIRE WING MELTS like we see at 13:10 and 14:42! Thank goodness this fire broke out while still on the ground and not airborne, because I'm not sure if they would've even had a fighting chance if this occurred during cruise
I'm seconds away from dying a horrible death, being burned alive, wait, everyone stop, I need my bag. Yup, people are really, really not getting smarter, despite the internet. The main reason I avoid crowded places, people are cattle, for the most part, walking around in a daze.
The vast majority of humanity is just barely above the sub human level, cognitively and emotionally. Notice how quickly people "lose it" nowadays and seem to lack rational thought. No wonder a small elite had always run the show.
I usually carry on only a small backpack that acts more like a purse since they make you empty your pockets. I keep it at my feet under the seat. Depending on the situation I might be tempted to strap that on my front. But getting a rolling bag, no way.
Would you be willing to die for the contents of your bag ? Would you be willing to sacrifice another who may not get out, because your bag was in their way ? They want you free and unencumbered for a reason. No matter it's size, it takes some away from your mobility. This has all been documented and studied. You do you, but if it's my plane on fire, I'm getting out, to hell with everything else.
@@AustralianOpalRocks
The internet is contributing to more selfishness, not preventing it.
BRILLIANTLY SAID!!! You said my thought exactly. So true. Would rather be around animals. They have better instincts. These entitled thugs could have caused deaths of other passengers just because they had to have their booty bags.
The description in the beginning of the says "Las Vegas Airport"...it was actually McCarran International Airport which was renamed Harry Reid International Airport. I was born and raised in Vegas and needed to point that out.
Why is every video on this channel rehashed now? Has flight channel just fully given up or what lol
@Willy People are speculating that this channel changed owners and that the guy is just doubling up or repackaging the previous owners videos. I think it could be true.
As this occurred, I was flying in from Los Angeles, and our flight was in a holding pattern over the Nevada and California border for about 30 minutes. Seeing the British Airways plane on the runway with the burn marks and slides deployed was an eerie sight.
charles, Do you know about the Boeing whistleblower (John Barnett, a retired QA mgr who worked for Boeing for over 30 years) was found dead in his truck in a hotel parking lot of a (supposed) self-inflicted gunshot wound? He told family members "if anything happens to me, it's NOT suicide". 🤔🤐🤨
Thank you for a very nice video. If you are stopping a commercial jet on the runway through a rejected takeoff or you have an engine fire while taxiing, it's highly unlikely you will be using the other engine once you've stopped, so you might as well shut it off (it's not doing anything useful for you - assuming you have turned on the APU - and it could hurt you by injuring a passenger, or perhaps catching fire because the fuel leak is not confined to the side affected first). So turning it off keeps your passengers, crew and arriving first responders safer. As to the use of the engine bottles: if you know that the engine nacelle's volume is too small to benefit from discharging more than one fire bottle at a time, that is, half of the fire-suppressing gas would end up outside the nacelle blowing into the wind, then it might make sense to use one bottle, observe the result, and then use another bottle as needed. However, if that's not the case, use both at once because you really do want to put the fire out. The pilots should know this relationship if they are familiar with the aircraft, and it should be explained clearly in procedures. Lastly, any passenger disregarding flight attendants' instructions to leave personal items behind when evacuating poses a threat to the safety of others. Such passengers should be banned from flying that airline again and should be subject to prosecution by the FAA, which can impose fines and also ban them from flying. Any passenger who is injured due to interaction with another passenger's suitcase or handbag on the evacuation slide or on the wing emergency path should find a lawyer and file a lawsuit against the offender.
HEAR HEAR on your "passengers" portion. It can come down to ONE SECOND MATTRES. A child or person could die! I am so happy see someone else stating banning from flying and charges brought against such entitled selfish thugs. Bravo for the analysis of yours.
In cases of an engine fire prior to take-off, onemight assume that the immediate shut-down of all engines would be imperative.Not so, apparently-at least at that time of these incidents-which begs the question: is the absence of a specific command in a checklist, of itself, sufficient to countermand common sense?
So when was the last actual new content upload?
The communications involving the British Airways crew were far more professional then those of the American Airlines crew.
than*
@@rrai1999 Yes, than. My bad.
@@ladydrone2345 Just thought it was funny to speak of professionalism and then select the wrong "than/then" 😭
@@rrai1999 what's funny is l'm a nazi about people using then instead of than. Not so much for myself l guess...
@@ladydrone2345 My "mistake" - not "bad"
I keep hoping against hope to see a brand new upload....
its impossible bro, this channel has become clickbait and repost after repost
The positive take from this (nothing brand new to report) is that there are less tragic occurrences happening with airplanes. That is a good thing.
@@dakg8034 Absolutely, at the expense of thousand and thousand lifes onboard.
You misunderstand. There are hundreds of older accidents this guy hasn't covered, and of late he keeps reposting his older videos with more and more clickbaity titles. Of course we are glad aviation has gotten safer, that goes without saying. @@dakg8034
@@dakg8034there‘s still a lot to cover yet
Bloody well animated, better than I have seen on other youtube videos
In a way,they were lucky that the engine blew out before departing, not in the air !! 💜🥁🐉🎤🎶✈️💞
Honestly find it impressive that despite the fire, the BA 777 was back in the air by March 2016.
Whoa!🤯
That bang was terrifying.
You do know this is a cartoon - don't you?
@@gregfaris6959 This is a flight simulator. And yes, this was a recreation of real life events.
@@gregfaris6959 And? People don't get scared from watching movies? You're a real genius pointing out the obvious.
I flew the 777 for years and never had a problem
BA2276 feels eerily similar to Singapore 368, a 777-300ER that had a similar problem a year later. Both GE90s, both engine fires. Do you know if the cause was similar and if it was fixed properly? Especially since GE is now the sole engine supplier for the 777.
I believe they weren`t just engine fires they were GE90 uncontained engine failures sending out shrapnel. As with all things mechanical it happens & no engine manufacterer is immune, fortunately it`s a rare occurrence making these turbines very reliable.
13:19 Relevant NTSB report extract: "The captain did not perform the remaining steps of the engine fire checklist (which applied only to airplanes that were in flight) and instead called for the evacuation checklist. The left engine was shut down as part of that checklist. However, the flight attendants had already initiated the evacuation, in accordance with their authority to do so in a life-threatening situation, due to the severity of the fire on the right side of the airplane."
A switch in the cockpit to automatically lock all overhead bins. When the captain announces the evacuation he also informs all overhead bins are locked.
This channel is losing so many subscribers because all they do now is re upload
Seems like the beancounter mentality has taken over. Just run reruns because the short term profits will be better if you do not have to spend money on new content. Could be the guy is tired, or short of fresh data for new content, to be somewhat fair.
What, you want more crashes so they can give you more videos? Seriously, use whatever brain matter you have
What, you want more crashes so they'll have new videos? Seriously, use your brain. Not many airliners crash anymore! Most channels have covered all there is.
I don't think anyone actually wants more crashes. At least, I'd certainly hope not. As a member of the flying public, I know that I certainly don't. I don't want to speak for anyone else, but I think it's possible that some of the viewers mean that they wish TFC would cover crashes that have already happened but just haven't been covered on this channel. Everyone take care, stay safe, and have a nice day. ✈️
@@ewathoughts8476Fresh stories are available, in the dozens.
Also what happened with Theavchannel
Unbelievable that an engine fire checklist has to be read and followed.......Pilots should have that MEMORIZED........Z
Engine fire IS a memory item, christ the number of armchair experts in this comment sections is incredible.
@@mattd6085yes...armchair experts...like yourself.
Not professional.
Doubt it is the same for differing models?
@@californiadreaming9216 My chair moves a little bit faster
It looks like the truck in the lower right part of screen (5:52) may have crashed into the barrier wall while looking at the fire!
Looks like a catering truck
what flight sim is this? ive always wanted to know
Msfs
@@WanWan-H i use msfs, and it doesnt look as good as this
Interesting video. Fortunately for both planes that this happened on the ground. Could've been so much worse. Keep the vids coming.
14:44 I guess this plane is not repairable and had to be scrapped and the other engine, avionics salvaged.
At 2:14 look at the runway marking behind the plane when it gets into position. Does it say 7L?
I think at the time of the incident the heading for the runway is still 07 for both left/right but due to "Change in Magnetic Poles" which is a thing (science) "The magnetic North Pole has shifted. In truth, it's always moving by about 40 miles per year" according to google, this causing the FAA to check every 5 years that if the heading of the runway change more than 7 degrees they have to change to runway number. To this day Las Vegas (KLAS) now already change the runway to 08L n 08R since 2017 and also because I think they use a new updated airport mod so that's why in the video it show 08L not 07L. sry for the grammar I'm not good in english ;(
The incident happen in 2015, the runways number change in 2017 so that's why the radio is still 07L
Great video as usual. The last quarter of the text was off screen- is this because I'm watching it on tv?
What does "heavy" mean?
I was thinking the same
I believe it's an indication that they're currently over the weight they can safely land at, due to the amount of fuel on board. If that's not quite right- happy to be corrected!
@@yasaminwhy8212seems logical to me
Planes that weigh more that 300,000 pounds
Typical wide bodied aircraft.
It would be nice if there was a locking mechanism that could lock all overhead bins so passengers can't grab stuff while evacuating.
@eriksand9262 Not if I was stomping on top of them on my way to the emergency exit....
Theflightchannel please make a video of what happened to Philippine airlines 113 , it had an engine failure over LA
I was in the emergency window seat port side in Pittsburgh once. We sat on the taxiway waiting for weather to pass for about an hour. After which the pilot started up the port side engine and immediately a huge plume of smoke came out from the engine. I was looking at the window when this occurred. I turned to the guy beside me almost immediately and said... We are going no where. After about another hour at the gate they said they would have to deplane us. "NO way!" I said sarcastically. Ended up flying us in another plane after a 5 hour delay. Glad it happened on the ground instead of up in the air!
i'm too high: do 50,000 flight hours and 8,000 cycles mean that flight times do average close to 6 or 7 hours because 50/8?
I would say so, absent any other information to inform us differently. I am also thinking that the hours value includes the times whenever the engines are on. So, taxing, etc., not just in the air. Again, I am guessing.
Against all negative comments, I ❤ like this channel. Thank you for your effort!🎉❤😊
Decide to evacuate and you still have to have a check list to tell you to shut down any remaining engines describes just what is wrong with modern society.
Agree with you. But I think the List is also Made because in such situations panic can occure and mistakes can be done due to the high volume of stress, at least i think so
Its a checklist of the order in which you need to switch switches.
If that makes sense.
It's literally pen on paper, what happens in training doesn't prepare you for what actually might go wrong and the panic
There are critical procedures that are considered memory items, that pilots must be able to do correctly without a checklist. That being said, you are not a pilot, nor have you had any training, nor do you have the faintest clue what goes into that training, so how about you wind your neck in.
@@mattd6085 I sure hope your not telling me to wind my neck in. Yes there are critical procedures now, you are expected to act the following way you do in training during an actual emergency, however you forget to think about stress and the difference between life and death. Boom all of a sudden you have an electrical fire all of a sudden abroad the aircraft, your heart rate is going to skyrocket and you start to panic. My father who was in the RAF and flew the C130, he told me that even the training exercises are stressful enough. How about you take that into consideration
i guess the moral of the story is fly British - they seemed to do things right - while the American crew made several flubs
looks like slides were deployed on both aircraft on both sides is that normal to do in the direction of the engine fire?
Excellent video.
I LOVE this channel!!!
I swear your videos are getting worse all the time. You often leave out the fate of the passengers as on a number of previous videos, and on this one about the Las Vegas fire on a 777 you did not provide any information about if/when the evacuation actually began and the status of the passengers. I would recommend that you either stop doing a poor job at reporting these incidents, or spend more time providing information necessary for the viewer to understand the outcome. I used to really enjoy your videos because they got to the point and shared adequate information. However, now there are other sites which are doing a much better job that you in reporting these.
now now!
Or you can save the pain they cause you and not click on them..
God bless those pilots and crew members! Our travelers can trust on their quick decisions and calmness. Thank you!
I hate kids who keep saying first
same
it's weird I don't get it
I always assumed there was some kind of fantastic prize for posting first that I was missing out on.
@@joeg5414 It is the entitled narcissistic mothers who plan it. Kids should not be allowed on first.
It is the immature and entitled mothers who put them there. The muddlers.
In the second video, the flight attendants opened the right hand doors, even though the fire was on the right side of the airplane ?! Why ? Aarre Peltomaa
This may have been mentioned but the interphone pictures were swapped, with the "classic" interphone being labeled as the one onboard, that used in training most likely was the older model from the 1980's, or 90s, that would not have been onboard, in fact the one used for training was likely the one that looked like the 1980's vintage and the more confusing model would have been the newer interphone onboard that confused the attendants. And the "discrete white spot" in the microstructure picture was not explained, what was it? Pearlite? Martinsite? Hydrogen embrittlement? .
Possibly a dumb question, but can this issue occur mid flight, or is it a take off issue. Also if it does happen mid flight what’s the odds of controlling it and landing?
Takeoff, unlike cruising or landing, requires full power; throttling the engines up is when any faults are most likely to manifest.
Whether takeoff can be completed on one engine will depend on multiple factors - takeoff weight, weather conditions etc.
Once at cruising altitude, modern airliners are designed to be able to fly on one engine. They wouldn't be certified for operation over water otherwise.
Provided that the fire is extinguished / under control and no damage has been caused to hydraulics, control surfaces etc there's no reason the AC can't return to the airfield snd land safely.
@@rich_edwards79 Thanks Rich.
UAL Iowa City DC10 crash. All hydraulics were lost when the middle engine blew while cruising.
If it's a Boeing, are you really going?
What happened to this channel really?
Thank you TFC not a reupload
can’t believe that truck on 3:30 (bottom right corner of screen) ignored the boeing 777 as its engine lits up
Thugs - they dont care
is it just me or are the videos like getting re uploaded if you dig deep enough you can find 5 re uploads of this exact same video but compiled with diff ones
Well, Mr. Customer, we technically didn't 'loose' your luggage."
Good timing with John Oliver doing an expose on Boeing. On RUclips now.
B777 is still the safest aircraft ever built.
My son does compliance auditing of suppliers that make parts for Boeing. He has some real horror stories about the shortcuts that take place in the manufacturing process.
Oh! Nothing like recognized engineering authorities speaking out!
In an age of CarCams, it is ridiculous that the Pilots can't see the engines!
Are you ever going to be doing a video about Knight Air Flight 816?
Could you do pan am 73. That would be interesting
He has done it before
@@tj4234has he ?. I don’t see it
@@tj4234No he hasn’t. The only Pan Am related accidents he’s done are the Tenerife airport disaster (Pan Am 1736), Pan Am 914 (not real), and Pan Am 845.
think results be better than a copy and paste
That was just a shootout. The airplane never moved.
theflightchannel I beg you to make a actual new video which is not based on old videos PLEASE 😭😭x
TheFlightChannel: The text in your videos is getting sloppy: Typos, misspellings, words that should be plural are singular and vice versa. Egs: At 6:45, "fuel supply line that release fuel" should be "releases"; and at 6:55, "lifing analysis." Something to think about.
This is 99% of the young generation today - younger is to mean folks under 50! They all speak in acronyms, fragmented sentences, and chopped up verbiage. It runs from the texting generations - which I HATE doing. So grammatical errors are everywhere today - both in typed words and sentences and in speech. It is like scratching a chalk board when hearing it. Also, the sheer immaturity of adults today is mind-boggling. Just people watch in some public area! It is a *##$ show.
I had to stop watching this simulated video after the first ten seconds when the narrator stated that this aircraft was departing the “Las Vegas Airport”. There is no such thing as the Las Vegas airport. So, if the first ten seconds is incorrect, how can you believe any of the rest of it?
There is a Las Vegas airport and it is LAS
@@bryanlas Wrong - The airport in Las Vegas, NV (LAS) was once called McCarren International. It is now called Harry Reid International, but it is NEVER referred to “Las Vegas Airport”. Please get your information straight.
@@Super_Chief it is a Las Vegas airport. The airport code is LAS
@@Super_Chief I have heard this airport referenced as Las Vegas Airport. Harry Reid Airport is its official name.
The BA RFO was clutch
I almost went out to Planespot that day in Vegas. That plane sat in Vegas for A LONG time!
Sounds like some lame confusion. Also you should not need a checklist to shut off ALL engines in case of a ground fire!😮😮😮
ALL essential actions should be checklisted, to ensure utter consistency. Engine fire is a memory item, meaning the checklist to handle a fire should be known by heart by all pilots. If you don't know what you're talking about, don't comment
What does "heavy" mean in ATC parlance?
big passenger plane
At or close to its maximum weight limit.
A bit too much wind noise in the sound from the airport (in the beginning). Otherwise a good sound job!
It's scary what's happening in the airline industry today. I now drive whenever possible.
Who maintains these things?
I still don't know why you didn't covered Delhi 1996 mid air collision
Foreign and DEI manufacturing processes. Good thing none of the rescue/emergency workers were DEI's.
My first thought was "Why the hell is the plane not being evacuated?" They need to put a step onto a checklist to tell the pilot to get the people of the plane? I'm no pilot but my first command would be "Get these people off the plane ASAP". Like this will help people with a fear of flying...like me. Booze helps.
777 engines are like, naaawww, im gunna take the day off!
Considering all of the flights and hours flown by different planes and pilots and other staff,you would think that procedures for different scenarios would have been brought to light by then. I wonder if this had of happened 30 or 40 seconds later, what could the outcome have been?
There should be a video of this.
Can someone explain why pilots don't have 'wing mirrors' or cctv so they can see the plane behind them, the engines, the wings etc?
To hazard a guess I would say that physical mirrors big enough to be useful would negatively affect the aerodynamics of the plane, to the extent of even affecting the airflow to the wings and flight control surfaces. In terms of fitting cameras, newer planes such as the airbus A350 have these.
Checklists be damned. If you stop your plane because of an engine fire on the runway, cut off fuel and pull a bottle, don’t you think your next thought is Kill the Other Engine because we have to evacuate from the other side to avoid the fire? Do they train common sense out of their pilots?
Disk inspection is conducted via ultrasonic NDE in an immersion tank. The operator must be very well trained.
Excellent video and excellent pilot.
Where are the fire services? It is taking them so long to get to the aircraft.
On America 383. Again, the Evacuation is delayed due to Flight Crew trying to fight the Fire. Why not do both at the same time ???
Losing an engine is bad but not catastrophic. Losing an engine while fragments of that engine puncture the fuel tank would be the end of everyone on board at 35 thousand feet. They can put the engine fire out but not a wing.
Can a plane not fly with only one wing then?
@@annoyingbstard9407 what
Steve-pk9ok with respect, your assessment is not correct. You are implying that fuel escaping from a punctured wing fuel tank would automatically ignite. Possibly, but not necessarily. That would depend on how close the escaping fuel is to a heat or ignition source, especially the failed engine. With some luck and a blessing, a thrown engine disc should, ideally, be contained within the engine nacelle. Certification requires them to do so. Unfortunately, due to extreme releases of energy, jet engine components are often flung and puncture both the engine nacelle as well as wing/aircraft body members. Hence the high risk of a fire with catastrophic engine failure. However a well-trained flight crew, dealing with an engine failure in flight would, ideally...
1 Observe engine failure and shut down engine.
2 Shut off fuel flow to failed engine.
3 Deploy fire bottles if engine fire alarm sounds.
3A Report emergency and reroute to nearest airport.
4 Visually check wings checking for fuel leak (s), damage to wings/control surfaces, fuselage etc.
5 In cockpit diligently check for loss of hydraulic fluid/impairment of controls.
6 Diligently observe fuel levels. If fuel loss detected on wing tanks with failed engine, close the cross-feed valve to failed side.
I hope that helps.
Troll
@@californiadreaming9216 Did you see the hole in the wing? If it ignites there is NO containment systems for the wing. It would do the same thing as what the jet fuel did to the steel beams in the twin towers. The heat would literally melt the aluminum skin and frame. Also a fuel leak of that size means they would have only minutes before the tanks emptied and even if it didn't ignite they would have to be under 5000 ft and withing a mile or two of an airport that could handle a commercial jet liner.
I think it should be common sense enough that if a plane is on fire -- all engines should be switched off ASAP..
Consider having a camera on the top of the tail looking downwards so that pilots can see the outside of the aircraft as well as one under the aircraft to see the landing gears etc. Instead of asking the tower to CHECK for them they can see for themselves.
Can you do flight 93 please
Is a 777 bigger than a 747 ?
These could have ended SO much worse than they did. I'm glad the pilots were cautious instead of being "meh, we'll handle this in the air."
here's a suggestion , all over head storage compartments should lockdown until attendants unlock them