"Yet Another Dinosaur Survival Game..."
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- Опубликовано: 9 июл 2024
- "Yet Another Dinosaur Survival Game...":
Over the recent years the dinosaur survival genre has been getting more traction from the gaming community and developers alike. In a bit over 24 months not only the top 3 games gained some significant additional popularity, but the amount of titles and projects announced both publicly and privately has also been increasing in an exponential rate, and you would expect this to be considered a good thing, I mean, the more titles we have available the more content we have to enjoy right? Well in reality it appears that a decent portion if not the majority of the audience’s reception whenever a new title is announced is rather negative.
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I want devs to focus on making smaller, more focused games to grow their skills and learn game design rather than jumping straight to insanely complex games and shitting out "baby's first unreal engine game".
I want developers to come up with something original instead of "hey, the Isle is a pretty "cool" game, right? Let's copy that!"..I guess more specifically "Let's copy the generic "start as a random baby spawned from nothing" and have our players spend hours growing"
I would love more games analogous of Wolf quest for example. A game where you survive as a dinosaur by hunting, setting up a territory, fighting rivals and eventually having babies would be great.
@@blobbertmcblob4888 Ai or multiplayer?
@@shahinarahaque2071 A single player dinosaur game. If you've never played Wolfquest I suggest it, it's great.
That's another issue with survival games, too many multiplayer survival games. Which are fine if you just wanna kill each other, but for someone like me, who likes realism, they're hard servers to find these days
@@blobbertmcblob4888i had an idea for a dinosaur game where it doesn't focus on accuracy but instead realism.
It wont worry wether or not t-rex could run or something like that but on wether or not you're up to survive.
Or i could go with my old idea and you play as an alien instead.
Fr! Like if anything start off with a small plan and slowly expand WHEN it’s already completed.
I'm shocked we haven't gotten a Cenozoic/Pleistocene survival game. It's always either Dinosaurs, Dragons or Modern Animals
This! This is based ^ I feel a type of game like this would benefit on the market and be able to stand out enough IF they some devs put in the time and effort to have good animations, mechanics, and more.
There are a couple of Cenozoic based games on steam and one extremely good one on Roblox oddly enough.
Oh, We have and they are so bad nobody knows about them
WHERE THE FUCK IS A PALEOZOIC GAME
IM STILL WAITING FOR ANY GAME WITH A PLAYABLE ANOMALOCARIS
I would so back up a game that’s based on La brea
My biggest problem with these animal survival games is progression, its basically just hide in a bush and wait growth, and its hard to implement objectives for animals, like, what can animals do beside eating and sleeping? it grows boring very fast!
Mating.
I feel like you could totally add objectives to animals, it'll just take some creative minds to get together and actually implement it instead of dangling the ideas in front of their player base while being in early access for 8 years.
Gathering supplies for specific purposes, like nest-building that can include other players or even add to the existing herds of AI that might migrate across the larger map.
Environmental interactions like knocking over some trees as a larger animal, digging burrows/tunnels as a smaller one, climbing rough terrain as some animals, flying as others.
Being actively hunted by AI raptors or other dinos at random times including at night, and being those hunters. Scent tracking after a rain is good for this. Also stampeding is (criminally) missing from these games. Imagine 50 dinos running through a plain area, two-thirds are AI and the rest are a group of players trying to get away from their attackers. If they're small, it's more dangerous, and if they're big, the AI herd goes ballistic and tramples harder.
@@alanxu3936 this guy gets it
Except Path of Titans where you do quests instead of waiting
Really really repetitive and mind numbing quests but at least theyve said they will rework them recently
Honestly respect to the isles of yore dev just him making a whole game and even when nobody plays it he still updates the game
FR, like thats some real dedication
Yeah pure passion, it’s nice to see
wee need to play it tbh
And it’s just one guy, so he has more justification for taking a long time.
I would love a dino game that really focused on the more intricate parts of life, rather than pvp. Make nesting super in depth, include courting patterns that have to be followed, seasons where your dino is in or out of breeding season. Temperatures and condition of eggs. Egg health variability (a genetic difference due to egg health) . Real consequences for being a lead bull (buffs towards health/defending your herd ect). Take BoB's drinking mechanic and expand on it. Add in illness that actually affects your movement and stamina and leaves you at the back of the pack or herd to be picked off. AI herds/packs that players can join if they are having a hard time finding others. limited global chat (same diet chats maybe). Emotes or idle animations to express the state of your dino.
There are so many other things to focus on than combat, and I know im just some random on the internet, but dam I just wanna enjoy a game not get bored once I reach adult. I know people love to fight and that pvp is a big draw to most games, but that is what PoT is for or heck, the Isle. Give us more, its not just about growing and killing, its about surviving, about learning new and exciting ways to interact with your environment and others. I wont be playing another dino game till I see something promising in both content, and quality.
Sounds like a big headache
Nah
I agree!! It would give it more of a documentary-type feel to it, and that’s honestly something I would really like. If you’re looking for something not as complex, but still calm and cute, PaleoPines just released a few months ago!!! It’s basically Stardew Valley but with a dinosaur ranching aspect to it. ♥️
It would be funny if there wasn't a chat at all, so you have to communicate with sounds only. There could be funny options like asking to join the pack, invitation to breeding, threaten etc. like in the Isle, but again more in-depth and maybe visual too instead of a sound you have to remember. I wish these games would also just try not to be scientifically accurate. I'm a big Paleo nerd but I'd love to see a more stylised approached at this point since ALL THESE GAMES LOOK THE SAME.
Hell, even the same mechanic but in a low fantasy setting would be amazing. Monster Hunter like, with a bunch of smaller and bigger Wyvern-like creatures. Where you can play a Utahraptor-like pack hunter, but also a big dragonlike being that can fly and has the capability to raid human settlements/villages, all that with typical The Isle mechanics; while human players can build their own settlements too or just walk around solo as monster slayers or whatever. Just ANYTHING different pleaseee
@@snedbag1727 these redditors get nun IRL so they look for games to over breed with random people on the Internet in any creature game they get a chance.
Personally, I'd like to see a single player take on the genre. Something akin to Ancestors: The Humankind Odyssey...except with dinosaurs. While I absolutely love The Isle and can occasionally tolerate Path of Titans, often time the worst part of those games are dealing with the other players. Give me The Isle, but with the island populated by intelligent AI dinosaurs instead?
I'd play the hell out of that.
Exactly! With an option to have friends join your game!
That's what Saurian was supposed to be. Didn't work out too well.
@@BigAl2-u7e There were internal problems, I think someone ran away with the team's money
@@IkfesS
Ah, so the classic kickstarter indie game fate. I see.
@@BigAl2-u7e Yeah... Though Saurian's problem isn't the concept. What's there is fun. Saurian's biggest problem - aside from internal sabotage, as IkfesS mentioned, is that their insistence on ABSOLUTE REALISM has forced the game's development to a complete crawl because each time a new paper comes out they have to rebuild stuff.
Also no one on their team is a full time developer, they all work on Saurian whenever they have some spare time.
I doubt it'd ever get licensed, but I'd love to see an animal survival game based on Pandora from the Avatar universe. They've got such beautifully unique and interesting species.
xDD That would be awesome but totally recommend the Frontiers of Pandora Game that was just recently released if you don't know about it already! xD No i'm not sponsored or anything haha!
@@BeastMvtt Know about it, too modern to run on my laptop. And sadly not about playing as the wildlife.
@@TheIrishTexan You'll be disappointed by the wildlife AI even in a game where you're playing as an anthropomorphic alien. They move and then don't move. Its either idle animation or constant movement. It's just not immersive and it feels like they aren't part of the world.
Sadly copyright lasts so damn long that we will all be dead before that's even a possibility... yay disney
Earth is better
Hello, Thank you for referencing us in your video X Zag! You made some very good points that most developers just don't think about. We will be sure to provide a quality alternative to avoid the same mistakes others have made. We look forward to eventually appearing in future videos once we have gameplay and such ready. Keep up the informative content!🙌
Is that the pimavl horzon!
Hey guys, really like what you're doing with primeval horizons so far - looks like it could be really interesting! It's also nice to see devs reach out to build a solid relationship with the community. Best of luck with your project, keep doing what you're doing :)
@@lowe_expectations4659 💜
Is that JJ from Primeval Horizons!!??
nO wAy Is ThAt A pRiMeVaL hOrIsOn?!?!
The problem is too that they release the games way too early in which most of them are just mmo walking sims and nothing really else.. I think the strategy would be to wait until you have a stable game with unique mechanics and try to keep the hype up instead of releasing too early and become forgotten by most
exactly. I feel like too many of these are trying to sell the game way before they can reasonably promise actual content, so no wonder people will get upset when the bakery sells them a chunk of raw dough
Quality is certainly the biggest thing in regards to the success of any game however, I would argue that a creative idea that sets itself apart from the competitors is just as important. The sad thing is however, not many developers want to be as creative within the genera as they could be. It feels as though many developers have seen the success of The Isle and thought "Let's just do what they did, it worked for them so why not for us?" when in fact, it is the other successful Dinosaur Survival games who have challenged The Isle specifically due to their creativity. Path of Titans is as big as it is because it has fluid motion yes but also mod support, abilities and ways to change the feel of gameplay from server to server. I'd love to see future developers take the Dinosaur Survival game base gameplay and add a twist be it with unique combat, even more customization or really anything else they can think of! If you want to make a successful Dinosaur Survival game in my opinion, don't let survival be the only mechanic or at the very least stretch out the aspects of survival other than to just eat when you're hungry and drink when you're thirsty.
Yes. Every single game needs to have something unique to it to stand out from the other one. I think with so many new devs rising they are not realizing how important this question really is. I also would suggest to *never* develop a multiplayer game the first thing you do. Its extremely costly, requires networking code and is just 10 times harder lol
I feel like the misconception that devs are falling on is that the Isle is popular because it did things right. The Isle is popular because it arrived early in a completely untapped market, it isn't popular because it's good (it's not), it's popular because it has no competitors. Just look at ARK and even Day of Dragons, they're both dumpster fires but people play it because there's nothing else in the genre. If we gotta play a half baked game, why not stick to the one we already paid for
@@thelionoob Whilst I generally agree with you, to The Isle's credit it is trying to vaguely represent a massive ecosystem with various smaller ecosystems and that's a complicated thing to do. The Isle is a very complicated game with a lot of mechanics, especially for a multiplayer game. I tend to give The Isle devs a hard time but I do have to admit, for a game that isn't triple A, they aren't doing horrible.
The market for Dinosaur survival games is always going to be minuscule compared to things like fps games but, with the resent exposition of Dinosaur media that market is expanding. You can look no further than Path of Titans to understand that this genera is growing.
I think the problem is stagnation, too many of these Dinosaur Survival games are attempting to mimic The Isle rather than forming their own niche in this growing industry.
I love Isles of Yore so much. The dev is a super nice guy, he's transparent, and he works hard. I don't really look at it as a game that owes me quality (as I would for anything else I pay for), but rather an experience I get to go along with and interact with as this dude shares his passion project with others. The game isn't perfect but it's very charming.
I actually just got this game because I wanted to play a dinosaur but looking at those top three I figured I'd be spending more time dying than enjoying the life of a dinosaur.
Yeah, like the best way imho to "feel like a dino" is to play on realism servers. Those are typically community run though so tend to result in their own slew of issues.@@toosmalltoignore
Dino game devs trying to decide whether to make a park builder or animal survival game:
I wish we were getting more dinosaur games in actual established game genres. As apathetic as I am for paleo pines (I'm not huge for it's genre or graphics) I am still greatful for it's attempt to do something different with dinosaurs.
My dream game is something in the style of monster hunter with different creatures in place of weapons.
Agreed! I personally really enjoy farming sims and stuff such as PaleoPines, but even if I didn’t, the innovation within the dinosaur game scene that the game brings is still very important, just as you said. ♥️
A truly open-world mmo with a pokemon-style capture and battle system I think would be very popular. Heck, its what drives me to Ark despite it being buggier than a swamp in june
I had not heard 80% of the titles that you just said.
I guess the "another dinosaur game" thing that I'd been noticing was even more localized, and for longer than I'd thought.
Something I noticed is that the quality of PoT and The Isle when they first came out is much higher than any of these other games
The only reason BoB has some players is cause of the amount of mechanics they've shoved in
@kendrickcrawfordjr6165 Rain world ftw!
@kendrickcrawfordjr6165rain world is slowly spreading across the entire internet, and this is probably one of the best things happening in this wasteland
Nice RW pfp.
Rain world
I just finished writing my roster for my Dino game called "Terrible Lizards" (with all their stats and mechanics). There are 41 dinos in it and I tried my best to avoid many of the issues the other games make. This video was helpful though to hopefully make sure it dosent die
I wish there was a dinosaur mmorpg where dinosaurs and other animals were the characters, npcs and boss fights. Dinosaurs having their own cultures, languages, celebrations and myths, like Dinotopia.
Ugh man you read my freaking mind
I think a major reason why these games... aren't good, is because nothing really happens. Sure, your animal can starve, and needs to sleep, etc, but these are features that usually complement something bigger. These games don't present their players with any sort of substantial goal. I think implementing even basic story-elements could bring life back to this sub-genre. For instance, maybe there's a drought and all the plant-life dies, then all the dinosaurs have to migrate and find someplace else to survive. Then, these basic components of game play, such as eating to reduce hunger, will play into the bigger goal of exploring the world for a viable habitat.
A different animal-survival game that had a larger theme/goal that I absolutely loved was "Extinction is Forever". It has similar ideas - play as an animal that must eat, sleep, take care of their young, etc, but you also must survive in a world that's ever-changing, alongside a recurrent hunter that's perpetually trying to hunt you. I think more animal-survival games should try and do the same, or similar. Just being an animal in an empty world simply isn't compelling enough.
I will never recover from the death of Saurian
Same
As who think was Shiftyvee said in one of his videos, animal games as a whole keep releasing for like $20 when the product is basically a tech demo, usually with store bought assets. No one wants to pay the same price as The Isle, BoB, or PoT for an asset flip with half an hour of content at best.
I don't know why people are so high on The Isle. It's missing vital features/gameplay, it's in development hell, devs are asshats and likely incompetent, and... it's not going to be a dino sim. It's going to involve modern humans and tribals and stupid mutants and has a completely unclear end goal for how all this will work together. It's like it's spending decades to become what ARK was in beta just with playable dinos. I GUESS, I dunno cause they won't give us a clearcut unmuddied vision because frankly they themselves probably don't know.
It's a classic example of early access screwup, and I assume the unfulfilled niche of "dino existence game" it fills is why it's being defended and still (barely) alive... except that there are new dino games coming out and the Isle fans instantly hate them all.
Imagine a whale that beached itself so far it's in the middle of a desert, and people are trying to keep it alive with their tongues. The spectacle is embarrassing to look at, and the whale is going to die inevitably anyway.
They're NOT survivals most of the time. They all turn into mmo battle royals with the only survival aspect being to avoid other players so you don't die. There's no exosystems, there's no broader environment with NPCs. Just giant empty barren worlds and 30 people fighting in it.
I will say though, The sound design in Path is also pretty freakin bad, Id say more or less the look of the game matters, Doesnt need ground breaking graphics as shown by path it just needs to not be ugly
Kinda have to agree here. If the devs implemented their own custom unique sounds for each and every dinos attacks, footsteps, and sounds instead of it being repeated it would probably feel more immersive.
@@Eclipsedvixen That and maybe make the sounds a bit idk, Cooler? They sound like there is a pillow over their mouth, Like old evrima
@@GEK0dev omg thinking about it, they do lmao
It's hard to try and make a game for a genre that has such a dominant top 3, I wish more of them would focus on adding content that can be enjoyed without the need of massive servers. That way the game won't immediately be dead on arrival if it doesn't pull in the number of players they were expecting on launch
Realistically unless a big name studio makes a survival dino game we are stuck with the isle and all its issues.
It will never happen. Nobody on a big studio would be able to pitch a dinosaur survival game to investors without getting fired a second after. It's too niche for the general public. The closer we'll ever get to this are games like Farcry Primal, Dino Crysis or the Jurassic World sims.
The Isle is to me the best out of them, even tho there is limit selection, the gameplay is pretty good, the graphics are outstanding, and the life of a croc is very sadistic :D
Nope path of titans is
They all lean too heavily into a vague pvp loop. They are entirely dependent on your experience with other users. Nobody will ever willingly play as a helpless prey animal.
Thank you for the mention friend! We're hard at work to make sure we can provide not only a solid foundation but also some new qualities that haven't yet been explored. Only time will tell however, we hope to stay in your radar.
Back in the day a "clone" in the games industry wasn't necessarily a bad thing. Duke Nukem was called a Doom clone and Doom was a Wolfenstein clone. Part of the problem now is that you're not expected to play through a few hour campaign and enjoy a remix of what you already like "more of the same, please." Instead these sorts of games as well as the old Minecraft clones of 2010-ish, the later Day Z, Rust, and Tarkov clones, and the Battle Royale genre as a whole by their nature kind of demand to be _the_ game in that genre that a given player plays. When H1Z1 and PUBG were huge you didn't really see people switching between them all the time, people usually stuck with the one they preferred or already owned. Same story here, without huge differences in gameplay the market is saturated by the one with the most polish and The Isle has one hell of a lead in that department.
Great vid, and good job bringing some attention to the aforementioned ‘isle clones’, I’ve never even heard of most of them.
It would be cool if you could try a few of these games and tell your experience playing them and what they can improve on and what there doing right, I’ve played Some of these less known games and some have the potential but are just not quite there, I feel like they have the right idea, they have some very unique things about them but it’s just the small things that seem to hurt the game
I have pretty high hopes for Primeval Horizon, they give updates in their discord regularly, the game looks good so far, they are also pretty transparent, and it's the best-looking unreleased dinosaur game so far.
Yeah, and it's (from my POV) the most popular one that isn't released. Everything else here I have never heard of, but primeval I heard about months ago and am still excited about, from the little I saw an absurdly long while ago and assuming there's more it could take BOBs' spot in big 3, or at least get close
The main developer of that game has harassed countless women in private discords, mainly making sexual innuendos towards them(one of them being married, which he knew), and has streamed drawing porn in front of minors, among other things that he has done that I cant remember off the top of my head. He has made a deal with another content creator that made an exposé on him to delete the video that did so. I do not recommend supporting that game.
Plenty of the developers under his wing have left the game over similar things, as well.
@@RIVERZTYX why are you the only one who has said anything about this? was this confirmed?
I used to be not the only one who spoke about this, but it's become very hush hush now despite how horrid the things I've mentioned are. Like I mentioned previously, there WAS a video detailing his antics, but he made a deal with the content creator to take it down for good. There are imgur links and screenshots of what he had done on that video and its comments which I would've linked if it had not unfortunately been deleted.
I would not be surprised the reason why there's no information about this is because he goes after the people who talk negatively about him at all. He got banned from a server and had the intention of raiding it later for "revenge."@@CJTheTokay
I mean, that’s how they all start out
Pretty useful video overall, as a game dev it's certainly helpful for me. Keep up the good work, the vids help beginner devs like me and are a joy to watch!
Isles of Yore is made by an amazing developer who loves the game and wishes it to prosper, so do i however one youtuber just outright killed it, his name is Velocci
The bastard just made a video proclaiming it dead cause it didn't get updated in a month(even though the dev warned us that he is updating the game to the new engine)
Velocci is a weirdo and an egotist ….
My biggest gripe with these “isle clones” is that most of them just steal money from fundraisers and disappear. Over and over again.
Its because the isle was the first, it have been everything those 8 years ago.
And i wish devs were more experienced, bc now they are like amateurs, they refuse to listen to comunity feedback and do everything upside down.
This is why ARK SURVIVAL EVOLVED/ASCENDED is the best dinosaur game. Just playing as a dinosaur does not give you enough to do but being a human who uses dinosaurs you get to use every creature in unique & useful ways. Phenomenal game all around!
You need more viewers imo much more
I am personally hoping primeval horizon works out, I understand it’s no different than the other dino games you’ve stated though. The playables look amazing in it though, isle level of detail
The Paleozoic and Cenozoic really need more love. Dinosaurs are oversaturated at this point, and there have been so many other cool animals, ecosystems, and time periods that existed in prehistory outside of the dinosaurs.
I already made a vid essay on this, but I'm certain that even the Isle or Path of Titans are severely lacking in making the game feel good. I even talked to Alderon Matt where he said that he is more interested in asking whether you can add more diverse quests rather than making walking or other functionalities feel good. This just goes against the tried-and-true minimum viable product philosophy and is bound to end up with a cluncky game.
if you were in a forest in North america, wisconsin, trying to live in the wild with nothing, things get interesting real fast. There are many problems with all these "survival" games because they dont truly think about the biology and etc that actually happens behind the scenes. Plantts dont just "spawn", even though they kinda do irl, each type of plant has its own wildly diff. stats and attributes, where to grow, how it is grown. Diets is a spectrum, and there are only so many things you can eat. irl, you dont sprint full speed to a glob of sustanence, and you certainly dont go on a killing spree... Pretty much all conventiona herbies are carnivores when they get the easy chance(horses, cows, deer eating baby birds n bones, carcasses etc), and carnivores eat plants only for stress or medicinal purposes (dogs n cats eating grass and who knows, etc). meat is waaay better to digest, but getting it is hard(more carnivorous), plants are super easy to "get" but you ofen need to LOOK for them, then eat them semi-constantly, they are hard to squeeze energy and nutrients out of them(cows with special guts, many herbs regurgitate their mulch, etc). Rn, herbivores eat the same as scavengers, go to a eating spot, eat it, then run and rest. Plants need to be fixed, and the WAY you survive should dictate fun, not how well it can survive.
Was VERY tired when writing this, idk about spelling errors or grammar... Someone should make a pokemon-esque 8-BIT(NO MORE SILLY OVERHYPED 3D ISLE CLONES!) survival game, innacurrate but thematically fitting dinos, fully cold blooded, but they all have their own defense and offense/way of life. I think that would be easier on the devs and more nostalgic for the folks. You could do this with cenezoic, cambrian, hell, make it alien, but at least make it feel REAL, not carnivore infested little timmy rex simulator...
hope i get pinned LOL
Really looking forward to some of the concepts and new Dino’s in Echoes of Extinction, solid stuff for not having much gameplay yet
The islander game, hahaha, Its going nowhere
@@ender_z4nd3r83imagine having the balls to type out "hahaha" and not think it isn't cringe asf
Frontier should make an official JP one. It would crush the competition.
Probably, although knowing FDev they're just as likely to fuck it up somehow. *Flashback to Elite Dangerous*
@@ArkhBaegor Also a fuck tone of carnivore bias.
I clicked this video thinking it would be about MTG Dinosaur Tribal. I can recognize Wayward Swordtooth from a mile away.
Not always the quality is the problem in these games however not knew all of them only 3-5 of them. Glad you mentionned all current games in this theme. The major problem is these games developed by single persons or a small team of enthuisiasts whom tries to make their own dino game. This itself is not a bad thing the problem is the genre is a niche one which not brings millions of people to play these games, also no have the funds for marketing the game so these games will remain obscure until they get kickstart and people find them funny. Quality is also an important thing but in my opinion the whole survival genre is more or less focused on games like rust, the forest, infestation, day-z, division etc. People who plays and buys Cod each year no matter how bad the game is could give a huge number of playerbase of these games but these people usually wants quick fun and adrenaline boost.
The builder game genre is the closest to survival gamers so aiming Sims, Life by You and Paralives (these last two will be released around 2024-2025) could give a portion of players. Most of the players will be around 15-45 of age but beyond those people does not really get the concept of what gaming is. If you older than 45 then my apology I only stating the majority of players are enough with mobile games. I will make a list of these games and will check them later on.
Love that u used Magic the gathering as a thumbnail love it
I feel like a lot of dinosaur games are too ‘sensationalist’ for the lack of a better term. They feature high action, where you play as a dinosaur so it’s an over the top fighting game, the game is a slasher flick featuring dinosaurs, or feature extreme fantasy like Ark.
What’s wrong with a game where you live alongside dinosaurs? It can be for any lore reason, but a simpler type of survival game where you live alongside the dinosaurs is really all I ever ask for.
you've heard of isle clones , now get ready for isles of yore clo-
I think the only way I will be intrigued with an announcement of a new dino survival game, is if it's being developed by a AAA studio.
Considering most AAA games from most AAA Studios the last few years were just soulles cash grabs i wouldn't put my hopes up for them either
@@klatschi7968 Gotta love micro transactions 🙃
I hope you want to pay $$$ for a .0001% chance to play as a t-rex.
@@tacocat1921 Not that I want that, but quality work being done in a short amount of time would be sick. There is still some reputable game studios and companies, but I'm not setting aside the possibility of corporate greed.
@@MDwesLARL triple a doesn't mean what it used in terms of quality anymore. indies aren't immune from cash grab monitizations either. i do agree with the premise: a big budget dino game could be quite fun!
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do you play magic or do you just found this dino artwork in the internet used in your thumbnail ?
I honestly feel for the majority of titles announced that are yet to release or were (apart from primeval horizon).
It could be a similar issues to why alot of other products or services flop. The audience may have heard about them, but dont know when it becomes available.
As that has sunk a fair share of games.
You nailed most points there is to be made about this genre of games. The mechanics are so crucial to immersion it's one of the driving factors of dinosaur and prehistoric life enjoyers. Animations and physical interactions need to be the core focus and satisfaction, UI and gameplay loops come second. These devs need to readjust the direct they are heading in.
Hey, I've been watching echoes of extinction since the beginning, and it does show promise. The concept fills a niche that has been left empty by the main ones.
What is the animation Name in the minute 7:05?
Aldein of aceints actually has some promise. I don't want to over hype it, but in the development blogs, thier pre-beta mechanic look better than the finished products in pot.
I've always loved dinosaurs, and a dinosaur survival game would have been totally up my alley when I was younger. However, I've never been that much of a fan of strictly multiplayer games, and the way so many of these games' devs have handled their projects has turned me off them. Almost all of them remain underdeveloped as far as I can see.
The funny thing is that, from what I remember, the Isle wasn't originally supposed to be a dinosaur survival game. The plan was for it to be more like Primal Carnage, with the playable factions including not only various species of dinosaurs but also human mercenaries and a tribe of carnivorous humanoids known as the Cannibals. I have no idea if the devs even remember how their concept started.
0:55 I have never heard of all these games until this very moment....
my problem with the genre, and why I haven't even played the big 3, is the pvp. I don't want to play online. Gimme a single player, offline game where i can play a dino/dragon/animal and just vibe.
I honestly think that you need to make your videos longer. You talk about interesting topics and bring up great points, but it all feels cut short. Appreciate the videos tho!
Long format videos are exponentially longer to make in comparison to my usual content. The very few videos i made that are more elaborate in editing and length are usually 30-50 minutes long but take literal months to publish, so it wouldnt be financially viable for me to solely focus on those kinds of videos, not to mention that most topics dont have enough substance (in my view) to be able to create such lengthy content.
However, while i do release semi short videos on a weekly basis, i also do work on bigger projects in the background, with the "history of the Isle" and "The Isle Roster Tier-List" being some examples. Atm im about to finish my most ambitious and heavily edited video to date which has been cooking behind the scenes for over a year at this point. Once its done, hopefully i will be more time efficient so i can drop long format content more frequently, but rest assure, both kinds of videos will be part of my channel :)
Ur accent makes u sound so wise and agreeable
This is exactly why i originally wanted to do a game in this genre but ive since moved my ideas to... Further specialization
Enough dinosaur survival game, we need more dragon survival games.
Would love to see a game where dinos fight for certain parts of a map or even a capture the flag, theres no game with such thing atm. Would be a cool thing to try
You know. There's a lot of survival games that don't do any justice towards the possible scope and complexity of the settings they use. Like Dragons, Dragons are literally such a versatile concept that they come in morphs of every major animal group on earth (mammal, reptile, amphibian, Insect, bird, etc) and they have such deep and far reaching roots in fantasy that there is no reason not to make a game that capitalizes on that. That recreates and allows you to be immersed in the fantasy of being a dragon.
You're in an ancient world with mythical things and creatures, in a medieval land and there could be whole human societies you could interact with, you could make the very act of flight something more than Toggle where you have to learn to actually fly and its different for each type of wing and makes your inherent powers and capabilities as well as physiology matter. If you want to fly high and far you pick the wings for it, if you want to explore the seas you go for something able to swim like a serpent, if you want to be ferocious and terrifying you can create a dragon capable of fending off humans, threats and other Dragons, you could put so much rpg elements into a game like this but do they ever do this? No. They just make a boring walking simulator that has more in common with a chat room with visuals than anything fun or enjoyable. You're right, these games are terrible. Because this genre never got past "you're a dinosaur, survive" in its shallowest depths, they never added anything beyond survive, why survive? It's not really hard, there's so few mechanics that matter or are interesting or enjoyable that it's hardly a game. If you play as a dragon in a survival game, you should be able to pick the region you hatch in, you should have to choose whether you leave humans alone or interact with them, conspicuously or in disguise, do you raid humans settlements for food? Do you avoid them and survive in the wilds instead? Do you hoard natural materials like gems and metals, do you have magic powers or are you merely a born force of nature? Do you have a reputation that causes humans to come hunt you down if you expose yourself or attack them? How do you interact with other Dragons? This is literally just the beginning of the kind of things that these games could do, and it's all rooted in the abandoned and neglected genre of Evolution games, like Spore. Who somehow has more playability and interesting mechanics than any of these dinosaur or creature survival games. Utterly pathetic. Who's going to realize that aspects of Evolution Sims would make an amazing dinosaur survival game where you have to actually survive in environments that simulate the real ages of the dinosaurs and see if you can survive till/after the 65 million year extinction? When will we get one where the only objectives aren't to live, woth nothing fun or meaningful to do, basically a barren and low effort mmorpg with dinosaurs as avatars.
In essence. These games are suffering from the lack of any actual content of a game. The PvE elements are almost non-existent, when they are literally the actual purpose of this kind of game, you need them to make the survival experience interesting. If there's not enough nuance it's not very fun unless your either hard-core involved or like chilling with people in a server. This is like if an MMO released with no things to do, no lore, no story, no effort put into design, just kept pumping out classes and races but never added anything to do in the actual game. Literally just adding nothing meaningful.
I’d like to see a Morrison dino survival, kinda like saurian but in the Morrison formation instead of hell creek
Wait for more modded dinos in PoT, then make a server with only these avaiable. There's already Allo, Stego, Cerato mand Campto in the game aswell as mods for Torvo. Many genera could be adapted from existing creatures/mods, like Brachio from Argentino, Diplodocus from Amarga etc, these are mechanically almost identical.
@@Qbliviens like sure, but it’d be cool to play in an area that’s also meant to be an accurate representation of the Morrison fm. Plus there’s plenty of Dino’s that path doesn’t have, like marshosaurus, ornitholestes, marapunnisaurus, supersaurus, I could go on
@StelloTyrannus Again, mods xD modded maps are also a possibility, I remember there was a map for hellcreek in Pot for example. I'm just saying at this point this option is more likely than getting an netire new game. Trust me, if the dev kit for PoT would be publicly avaiable I would already be making a map.
Asset flip cash grabs are harder to get off nowadays. Especially in such a niche genre.
Imo, the first guy to make a multiplayer game that requires survival, where you play as a dino but you also have quests to do, and more importantly a story will be the next true innovator, the isle innovates via mechanics, PoT exists as does Bermuda, but the next guy who will also add a story to the world, that wil be the success story!
Prior extinction is not dead it has at least 100 players a day and it has a big roster of dinosaurs.
sad things is that ppl playing games do not take the view point of ppl making them, same with thoses first days of ARK ascended, too many comments saying, "this is laggy / it make's my PC's turn into an oven / too many bug's" but i would really like to see thoses same ppl in the game devlopement, they gonna be like "ah, yeah...that's facking difficult, how can i understand this thing and make it going like i wanted?" also they knows some game need's very strong components and they are exausted then the game do not run correctly on they i5 and 1050 GTX device that is nice for a begining on gaming experience but not the most you can have with all new things we make in game making and graphics PC requirement thoses days
You know what game I was excited for but sadly disappointed with? Sauria. Now that game has its issues but the reason I was excited for it was it was an attempt to create a Dino simulator with both accurate dinosaurs and ecosystems.
I mean POT and The Isle both have realism servers and that’s great but it always bugs me that on the realism severs we’ve got animals from all over the time and place. It’d just be nice to have a game where it’s a set time with a few ecosystems to pick from. Where the dinosaurs look like they belong🤷♂️
I felt that these kinds of games shouldn't just revolve around you jumping in, a baby, alone having to find your way through the land to water and avoid predators. Rather, you should spawn a small herd that you can control and give orders to. Instead of starting out as a baby Trike, you spawn in as a trike, with like 3-4 other NPC trikes, and they move with you as you walk, with some variation, but ultimately keeping the herd together. Carnivores on the other hand should spawn alone or with some smaller species, small packs. Then play as more of a strategy game. Your herd produces offspring to expand your herd and you create territories to compete for food and resources. You never actually play as a baby. Why would you? It's 6-8 hours of nothing but hiding in a bush and trying to sneak water so you don't dehydrate every 30 minutes. It's literally the dumbest gameplay mechanic anyone has ever devised.
These 1st person only games are so bad that almost every server out there imposes absolutely ridiculous, unrealistic rules while also having the audacity to call their servers "realism" or "semi-realism", desperately trying to compensate for the game's own bullshit, and they're almost always run by some girls with skittle colored hair and special pronouns, and their SIMP boys. Either that, or the servers are just stupid battle royals of extremely unbalanced carnivores, and the entire game becomes [W] + left click while people rage and pretend they're having fun. The level of toxicity in these games comes directly from people trying to cope with how absolutely terrible they are.
These games need to implore strategy, 3rd person UI herd controls and 1st person of whatever dino is in your herd if you want to do that for a while... but ultimately these games are just turds and clones of turds.
It’s simple. We gave our energy to the 3 main ones, waiting as they developed.. after years we don’t want to reset and repeat the early access wait again.
I want a dino game that puts you as a modern human in a prehistoric world with modern weapons with open world setting and dynamic dino AI that memics real animal behavior rather than simply running straight for you to attack. Something where you're surrounded by dangerous life and you have to learn how to read dino behavior to learn how to avoid them, and simulated vital organ damage.
Oh boy, Dinosaur of Game
Its all repetitive and the community is Very often toxic as fuck. From gatekeepers, to griefers, to insufferable know-it-alls. If it keeps up, I honestly hope the genre dies out completely.
The games would do a lot better I feel if there were also single player modes as well with intelligent Dino AI roaming the maps. But every single one of these games have pushed hard for the multiplayer aspect only, and try-hards take over servers to ruin everyone else's fun by doing the things I listed before, gatekeeping, grieving, or just being annoying about it all.
But I often see whenever people bring up the idea for single player modes with AI and NPCS's, a vast majority of the toxic community shits all over that idea before ostracizing the people that brought it up in the first place, and then the devs LISTEN to the shit-ass griefers instead of the people wanting to play the games just to play.
Not every Survival aspect game needs online competitiveness in them in order to be fun or playable.
People are sick and tired of waiting YEARS for a decent dino game to play.
What is the spinosaurus from at 6:18 ?
I didn't even know there was this many games in this niche genre for me to care about.
im really curious why no one ever talks or has even ever heard of saurian its been for early acess on steam for ages even before path was even announced
is it because its single player and therefore has another playerbase then the isle path and the others? but would'nt that also aply to isles of yore? or is it just too old to even be remembered?
Saurian goes YEARS between updates, that's why. Atm the game is practically unplayable.
what i would personally love to see is a solo single player dinosaur survival game but i guess ark is as good as im ever gonna get in that regard
I would like to see a game with humans and dinosaurs BOTH surviving, like ark and the isle combined
The ONLY thing that MATTERS! is if any of those games actually is better at the end. Stable, clean, bug free, fun, even more animations and physics.
Simple is the rule, complexity can be fun, like skill trees, but no menu bars or anything, at best, just the food, water, stamina meters, diets, bleed. The isle does it best with minmal design.
The scent system is cleaner since Evrima. So that is one of the best parts of the isle's development.
Isle clone is a term that should not be applied to any of them, the isle is simply the first. But a dinosaur survival game will always look and behave the same fundamentally.
Ty this is helpful as I am looking in to starting my own game and I am looking for a good name if you have a idea pls leave it in the replies
The problem is often times it's ambitious people with no prior experience who gather some people and start working on these games.
They expect the game to be done in two years and get through with $50k.
When or if it comes to light, it's usually a barebone survival game with basic food & drinking. You run around, find someone and either socialize or attack.
Combats aren't engaging, if not out right frustrating. Movements are basic and not that immersive, survival features are none existent outside of the really basic stuff.
So to me at least it feels like people are wanting way more than what keeps on being presented. It becomes redundant, because the only thing that changes are the visual fidelity. Yet I still haven't played one where I actually felt immersed. And outside of immersion, these games have literally nothing to show...
It might just be me, because I'd love to see a creature survival game work. But innovation has to happen. Let the creatures grab stuff with their maw or paw. Have advanced combat mechanics (affected by terrain, daytime, climate & weather superiority), have in-depth terrain interaction (since we can't really build stuff), rewarding and enjoyable hunting/tracking system, growth and rebirth (gene improvement, sort of like SPORE for significant Lvl ups).
I could go on... but my point is that trying to redo something like The Isle won't work unless you have something significant to bring to the table.
Lol, I love how he kept Saurian out of the list....xD even tho the devs are actually still working on the game as we speak...
I played a few always go back to path it’s not perfect but it’s the best and gets updates a lot and has a lot more Dino’s even more if u play community the mods keep the game alive alot
I don\t understand why a lot of these titles don\t just merge
a jurrassic park survival game with other people on the island would be cool, cus alot of them so for the super sci-fi theme despite it being about dinosaurs
Best advice I can give to dino dev groups, get good, stay good, and listen to your player base. Don't make changes that your player base doesn't like... This means you Beast of Bermuda
I recommend a demo game called Untamed its demo on steam right now, very nice start and community.
Take a look at Pteranodon 2 Primal Island I almost have the game done and it is not overscoped!
one that has antheosaurus gameplay looks kinda nice
i think the problem with these games is the focus on realism to the detriment to a coherent gameplay loop
you know what game figured out a fun gameplay loop to a game about surviving as an animal who has to survive vie feeding itself,figthing other animals,and mating?
tokyo jungle for the ps3
a game which focused on a fun combat oriented gameplay loop where you can play as a pack of pomeranians teeming up to hunt down a lion
Harsh, but fair. A game should always feel good to *play* from moment to moment. The inputting of your controls should always feel good and responsive. That's the single biggest foundational aspect of videogame design that is so sadly often overlooked. (And which I feel like legacy isle did better than evrima.)
For me, personally. We already have some AMAZING Dino survival games. We want something new. Fantasy, Real animals, Strays, Something other than Dinos. There are some out there of the later, but they are bad, or lame. We are waiting for that good one, as good as PoT or The Isle but with something different.
whats with the wayward swordtooth magic card on the thumbnail?
I loved the isle before they redid it. The lack of content then left me wanting. I haven't returned to it since. I've played Path, but I don't like how it feels. The devs say they want a fighting MMO not a survival game. But they put in survival aspects anyway growing, food/water. But I can knock how well they've supported and updated their game. I really enjoyed the permadeath in the isle. I liked the sniffing system, hunting, grouping up was more difficult but more rewarding. But I realize these are both two separate games going for separate things. They're benefits to both. Never tried beasts of Bermuda.
IXALAN THUMBNAIL. IXALAN MENTIONED. WHAT THE FUK IS A COUNTERSPELL?!????!?!?!
There's no chance i will ever touch another game until they can actually compete with the quality of the isle.
The isle has taken 8 years to get to its current state. None of these games will ever match it’s quality in a reasonable timespan