as a predator I like to follow herds around but not attack them. Usually they attract the attention of other predators, those predators try to fight the herd but end up dying. Then I get to eat afterwards. A very scavenging playstyle.
@@MrKeyalis If "no one cared," this wouldn't even be a topic of discussion , so you, unfortunately, could not be any more incorrect in that assumption.
Mixpacking as long as it's just when people are hanging out and not actually defending each other is fine imo, but when they defend each other is when it becomes a Problem.
@@mojolmao1752 It does exist as I have played on them, but those happen in realism servers with rules where I play, logically there ain't really much one can do to stop different species from cooperating in Evrima right now, mixpacking or mixherding is dependent entirely on the players
I had a small dilo following me [a fully grown rex] to eat what I didn't need. I felt bad for logging in right next to him and felt bad so I didn't kill him. He stayed with me to get some easy food and keep other predators off his back. Hardly a pack, nor could he hunt with me because I'm pretty unco and almost killed him the first time he tried to help me lmao
personally, I prefer a natural playstyle and enjoy seeing the same playstyle in a server. I don't see the problem in a group of smaller creatures hanging around a group of larger ones, acting as look outs and early warning systems. Struthimimus hanging around Stegosaurs and screaming to the top of their lungs when they see a carnivore is absolutely acceptable to me as is smaller Raptors hanging around a pair of Allosaurs to scavenge and feed off of their kills. However, the problem I have is when the two species actively aid one another in combat. Why would any large creature care about a specific smaller species or vice versa? My biggest gripe about mix packing is matching something like a Carnotaurus with a Tyrannosaurus, the Carnotaurus is fast enough to keep up with you and drain you of stamina, keeping you distracted until the much stronger and slower Tyrannosaurus catches up, you have no chance unless you are in a sizable group. Being a solo player (usually), mix packing like the previous example is the most frustrating to me. It makes me feel as though I have no way to defend myself besides playing how I actively don't wish to play. Thankfully, such problems aren't really an issue in community driven servers where I mostly spend my time.
[Why would any large creature care about a specific smaller species or vice versa?] Why shouldn't we? To each their own. Don't force me away from my friends who want to be other dinosaurs. The aim is to have fun, not bully other people playing their own way.
@@southernknight9983 I'm not telling anyone how to play the game nor am I forcing them into a certain playstyle. Just because I think mixpacking is scummy, especially to solos, doesn't mean anyone should not play like that. That's the whole reason why I play on semi-realism servers - to enjoy how I prefer playing by surrounding myself with others who feel the same. So long as no one comes into a semi-realism server for the intention of breaking the rules and mixpacking then, I don't care how other people play because odds are, I don't play with them. But you have to admit, for individuals who don't have friends that play the game or just prefer to play solo, it's aggravating when two small Raptors attack you so a Das can bone break you only so the slower Apex can catch up and finish you off. In my opinion it's scummy, there's no challenge to the game at that point and, I prefer games to challenge me so I can get better at them and to be honest, I have. I've became so much better at combat because I play solo and don't mixpack, if I lose a confrontation, I have nothing but myself to blame and I can learn to improve. But like I said, if you're in a server with no rules or a KOS server and you want to mixpack, more power to you.
@@alienstar2088 If you see a pack of what ever and don't think you can take them on, then just move on instead of calling them scummy. Find another solo to kill or a smaller group that you can go and wipe out. There is no reason to get pissy when you see an herbivore and a carnivore getting along with each other, as if is not realistic or something. It's certainly not unheard of.
I just find it an issue when it has no counterplay. for instance in an isle specific situation that i have faced before. A stego vs stego duel where two stegos are trying to kill me, running is a viable option. this becomes immediablty unviable when they have a carno or utah chasing me and trying to slow me down. eventually i reach a crossroads where i either have to attack and use stamina (+ stop in stegos specific situation) to deal with the faster and more agile carnivores, or continue running from the stegos only to be whittled by thier companions. there is literally nothing i couldve done to protect my 5 hour investment other than avoiding hotspots and never getting spotted by these players.
I am a stego mixpacker but I never help with others combat. They do what they want and I don't want them to except getting protection from me. I'm a pacifist player and I geniuenlly never atacked anyone, not even a deino atatcking me. As a steg no one except deinos deal any damage to me so what's the point in killing others? It's jusf a waste of stamina. Stegos have great power. And with great power, comes great responsibility.
PoT kinda supports it but that's just cus they separate the roster as herbivores vs carnivores and not species vs species or the more common carnivore species vs everyone else
It can be great for combat or chill servers, But for survival servers it’s not fair for people wanting a realistic experience and you get chased by a pack of Triceratops and T. rex working togeather. Then it becomes an issue. There are already dozens of dinosaur combat based games out there. But these particular 3 games I want to play survival. It’s not cool for combat players to bring there combat experience into a game where the point of the game is to live the longest not kill other players. Just stick to your combat based games weather it’s Primal Carnage or Jurassic world. Leave us survival players in peace with our game style. We don’t want you
Agreed. It's really fun for chill, no-rules servers when you just want to vibe with friends as carni-herbi mixpacks, but on survival or serious servers I don't agree with it.
I'm mostly against mixpacking, but I think rare, short moments of non combat related symbiotic relationships would be neat, since they do exist irl in nature
Animals become friends and friends will defend each other. This has been proven. Nothing wrong with animals from different species getting along with each other. It benefits survival and that is the aim of these games. No reason to force people to play a certain way. Let's get along!
@@southernknight9983 That's true until a certain point: animals don't "make friendship with one another", they just defend species (or don't attack them) in contexts where they could be beneficial, for example: Certain ants will defend aphids from other insects, in exchange for a nutritious liquid that the aphids produce from their diet, in short, aphids serve as livestock for ants. Another example are big herbivores like buffalos, rhinos and elefants that let small birds be on top of them, those birds get free food from the parasites present in their skins and protection from predators like monitor lizards and other animals, while the herbivore receives a free skin care, this also happens with carnivores like lions, cheetahs and leopards, but less frequently than herbivores since the carnivores present a bigger risk. What there isn't in nature, is a species of medium or large size protecting their predators or potentially assisting them in hunts, so while symbiotic relations do exist, they must not occur for example with a herbivore and it's natural predator, that is just an execuse for mixpacking.
@@southernknight9983its true but to a certain point you gotta accept that THIS isnt real nature. Video games have balances that should be respected to be enjoyable. If not then a game with mostly gun with 1shot 1 kill full auto would ruin the fun.
@@Godisgood007 I would argue against animals not forming friendships, because crows/ravens exist. They play/interact with wolf pups and this bond extends to adulthood. Sometimes they'll pull the wolves' tails or tease them. Of course, this is a predator/scavenger relationship, but crows and ravens are extremely intelligent so I would say they know exactly what they're doing. I do agree that herbivores and predators do not mix and protect each other in symbiotic relationships. Although capybaras simply don't care about anything, they're an exception, not the rule.
@@thunderclanwarrior1253 Yeah I found out about the wolves/crows relationships recently, and while I do agree that cases like those do happen in nature, we must also take into account that modern animals are much more inteligent than the majority of extinct animals, so in the prehistoric creature's context I think it is safe to say that relationships like those are much, much more rare, if they happened at all.
Mixpacking is a very grey topic for me. I was somewhat ok with it in The Isles old severs, where there would be a super mix pack that chilled at twins just talking since chat was open. I would hang with them but only fight if my partner or kids were being targeted beyond that they are chat buddies and no more than that lol. In evrima I don't do mixpacking at all but that's because there's no social aspect outside of my own species anymore. In legacy I enjoyed talking to people but without that being a thing anymore then I don't really care for it.
I remember playing the isle once and i was growing a sub adult triceratops, was resting on a nice island in cover i decided i needed a drink so i went no more than 5-6 steps to drink and spotted a rex a giga and a galli. The galli spotted me and came to check me out, not long after that the galli must have been in discord with the carnivores cause they didn't spot me only the galli did and i ended up fighting the lost battle. Not cool when mixpacking like that happens but i'm somewhat alright with herbies and carnis mixing up.
How I view it as an evrima player is that for mixed herbi herds it’s fine so long as you aren’t ravaging the map killing everything in sight. For carnivores I’d say it’s fine to work with other species opportunistically (such as 2 groups of carnis coming across the same herd of herbis) but you shouldn’t have any sort of alliance beyond this temporary truce. Once the hunt is done you are no longer friends. However I think that carnivores and herbivores just shouldn’t mix pack, with the exception of pteranodon. I’m fine if you want to ignore each other but working together is unfair, annoying, and immersion breaking.
I agree, as a deino we would have symbiotic relationships with carnos, they would bait herbivores or utahs towards the water where then, we would strike and take down the prey which benefits both of us. And its cool having those temporary symbiotic relationships. This kind of cooperation is really nice to be in, i wish it was more frequent especially with the same species. Herbi mix-packing im chill with as well. However, Carni and Herbi mix-packing (combat wise) irritates me especially when they are hunting herbivores together, it makes it impossible to escape it, for example pachy and carno working together to kill a stego or teno. I am also against cannibalism within herbivores, quite annoying.
Honestly, that's the way I think that works best with evrima. I've come across a random raptor, allowed it to eat with me and my baby raptor friends in our fresh kill. Only for him to turn on us and saying sorry because he's mixpacking with carnos. Another issue is also that stego are getting really aggressive, to the point where they run after anything that moves, just to kill it. And even going so far as guarding that corpse if they see a carnivore waiting for them to leave so they could eat it
I try to look at it through the lense of what kind of community server is running the show - Realism? Then no mix packing. Survival? Some mix packing but only if its of the same dino tier in terms of balance. Chill? Mix packing is fine. PvP based or straight up DM? It can go both ways either full mix packing or some, really just depends what the meta is and how balanced they want their community server to be. And that's the main beef - there will always be a meta. If you mix pack with herbs and carnys you'll always want to fill out the group with the best possible fighters to ward off or best any attackers. That's just a given. You see it a lot in mix packing servers; players will pick a target they can either outrun & whittle down or force it to fight the behemoth in your group. Either way that target dies to whatever the meta is.
My stance on mixpacking is this: It's fine when it's between herbivores, and only fine between carnivores if they are of similar species. So basically I think herds like in Disney's dinosaur are fine and its fine if carnivores live and work together as long as they are in the same group of creature, so like if you had a pack of raptors but lets say amongst them there are different species of raptor, or like if you had a pack consisting of suchos and barys, or if you had a pack consisting of dilophosaurus and monolophosaurus or if an alberto joined a pack of rexes, that sort of thing. stick to the similar creatures, so like, no gigas and rexes teaming up with spinos or something
Honestly even similar species carnivores in real life will literally fight each other, such as polar and grizzly bears, despite being so genetically close they can create fertile offspring. So I definitely think if it's a close-species thing, they need to actually be CLOSE species. As in how they're making a proper feathered utah model and changing the old one to the Omniraptor, that's one of few circumstances I could see carnis mixing with other carnis.
If you're using it to ruthlessly dominate and KOS others to the point where the rest of the players on a server can't effectively play the game and how its originally intended to be played? Then yes, It's VERY bad. I remember the Chinese mixpacking days of The Isle and I don't want to see them again. You also have Beasts of Bermuda's rise & fall as direct proof that excessively catering to toxic clans & high-growth players is a BAD idea that will ultimately result in the long-term decline & death of a dino sim game - if drastic changes aren't made to prevent it from continuing, that is. Beasts of Bermuda's Titania update was specifically created to prevent this from happening again - but the update took such a long time to develop, that the majority of the players left supporting the game WERE these toxic PVP clan types who simply wanted to go around and powertrip across entire servers. And even with the new update - the devs are STILL too scared to address the underlying issues that enabled these toxic mega-clans to begin with - and those issues were inherited talent points and RNG gore spawns. And this isn't just apparent in dino sims, but in other multiplayer survival games and PVP-based MMOs as well (New World's sudden downfall being one of the biggest examples of PVP toxicity blunders right now.) We're currently seeing the same thing happen to Path of Titans' playerbase right now too, which is going crazy due to the combination of a frustratingly boring gameplay loop (quest-induced growth) and the devs enabling mix-packing on servers. And the game's community, enjoyability and reputation is suffering big-time because of it. Point is: PVP toxicity needs to be mitigated as much as possible by developers. Telling people to join a community server isn't the answer and just results in said issues festering for years, creating a plethora of other issues for the game as a result. The sooner a dev studio implements anti-mixpacking and toxicity gameplay mechanics, the better off the game will be in the long-term.
I prefer the more realistic style, so I stick to those types of servers. In the wild, you can see mega herds of Zebra and Wildabeasts with a sprinkle of Gazelle. However, you don't see Lions, Hyenas, and Cheetahs hunting one another. To me, herbivores mixing up makes sense but carnivores are another. However, small carnivores hanging around larger ones can be ok, like Jackals not living far from Lions and eating their scraps. I guess servers with rules are probably the best in my mind, with individual species traits that allow for certain types of herds.
I usually play on path of Titans community servers as a dilo that follows a herd of herbs around, they tend to have some kind of big apex try to get food, get gored by a trike, becomes my meal,tho when that doesn't happen, babys or random corspes do well too. I never get close either, unless i follow for hours and they realize im not a threat. Then i get to be closer to bigger, basically defensive walls for me. It's unironically fun. Especially when the younger herbs get a bit too curious and friendly towards me despite being able to n o m their face off.
There should be servers with in game build in features for players who want to play with realism (no mixpacking, etc.), and there should be the ones where everything is allowed (like WoW war mode on and off). Maybe a mixture of the 2 for like a good mid option (you can hang out with other species but not initiate combat)
Ideally I feel like the Isle should aspire to create gameplay that naturally encourages players to embrace the roleplaying aspect rather than enforcing hard rules and limiting player freedom and emergent gameplay. IRL examples are rare but do occur, IE coyotes and badgers, or bottlenose dolphins and false killer whales. Obviously there is a problem with players immediately exploiting this tactic so the tradeoff on freedom might ultimately be worth it for the sanity of the herbi player base. But I feel like there are ways to encourage cooperation between same species without necessarily harshly discouraging the occasional interspecies cooperation. Making nesting more viable and beneficial could be an effective solution, or part of one. If players could pass on unique (entirely aesthetic) mutations that can accumulate over multiple generations and rarely spontaneously occur, that could be a strong motivation to favor your own species and specifically your own bloodline. Right now though I can't even trust members of my own species in Evrima not to randomly kill me after packing up so obviously there's much work and tweaking to be done to encourage any cooperation at all!
Mixpacking in the real world isn’t all that rare. Aside from symbiotic relationships we see more intelligent species “mixpacking” just because they hate certain species. Humpback whales routinely do everything in their power to screw over Orcas because they hunt humpback calves. To the point where they will protect the prey of Orcas just to deny them food. Humpbacks will even engage in “mobbing” behaviors where they harass Orcas until they leave the area altogether. This can kind of be considered mixpacking in a strange way but it usually only lasts as long as orcas are around.
for me I see mixpacking as 2 types, being friendly and mixpacking, being friendly is just not attacking eachother and instead just chilling together, but not helping in fights, while mixpacking is protecting others in combat or helping them grow. Only time I think mixpacking is okay is for certain herbis that are basically made to live in herds, hypsi in evrima for example or when a dinosaur is so underpowered its impossible to survive without other species help, current dryo in evrima is a good example, since they are slower and weaker then everything that can kill them. Also depends on server and how the mixpack acts, if its a no rule server with a small mixpack that are pretty chill, I dont care that they are mixpacking, if its a 10 person clan killing everything no matter what, then im annoyed. Mixpacking is also a huge problem for solo players, I usually go solo and mixpacks usually have something small and fast that you could kill solo, but have to be careful and then an apex runs out and kills you.
Whenever I’m able to play the isle, I usually am chill with “mixpacking” but I don’t fight with the other species, we’re simply coexisting and staying together to stay safe, but not protecting eachother unless it’s a baby getting attacked. I’ll stand my ground and mind my business until I get attacked
I agree, herbivores mixpacking is fine with me, hell even carnivores mixpacking can be fine depending on the situation, like in evrima when carnos might team up with raptors to take down a mega herd or something, but when herbivores who are built for the defensive, team up with carnivores who are built for the offensive, it becomes a problem as now all weaknesses are kind of covered if that makes sense. Carnivores and herbivore mixpacking creates massive imbalances in combat.
megaheards of herbis is also meh, i see it that stegos adopt another herbi for a while but if u then see tenos packis and stegos hunting others i think its not alright anymore
Herbis getting into a mixed herd I have zero problem with. Once you involve carnies things get ridiculous. The game already heavily favors people who coordinate via out-of-game tools to gank other people, which is going to inevitably keep the genre smaller than it should be. The worse this gets, the smaller the genre, to the point where I usually can only play these games for a month or two at a time before I just get bored and annoyed at getting outnumbered and murdered constantly.
The problem is, it's very unfair for other players, for example; me and a friend were just playing on EU 2 and 3Deinos, as well as a stego and a pteranodon were teaming-up and hunting others as a whole team of a mixed-pack. You can't do anything against it and it just destroys the game experience since it took us over 4h to grow our Deinos out...all for nothing. Problem is it's still ''not against any rules''... Very sad to see imo.
It's definitely a tough topic. Herbivores even in real life generally will herd/tolerate each other for protection from carnivores. And some carnivores even coexist with herds because they serve a purpose. From a gameplay standpoint.... It's rough as Carnis tend to form very large packs and due to their gameplay loop they tend to overpopulate Herbivore players almost forcing Herbies to group up if they wish to survive. Impo.... The anger towards mixpacking stems from folks just not being happy taking the L because they attacked a herd. =/ Just saying.... If you walk into a bar, start a fight with a Biker gang....you shouldn't get mad when the gang beats you down. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I mainly play Path and I think the herbies with herbies and carnis with carnis is a good system. Flexible yet restrictive. Just have to use strategy and "think"/use common sense. If you're hungry....it's probably not a good idea to attack that 1 herbivore in the middle of 4 or 6 other herbies, go eat critters, corpse hunt (scavenge) or hunt lone herbies/those who stray too far from the herd (like irl predators do).
to be fair, it's been shown many times in nature that carni and herbies have lived and co existed or even helped each other. It's just us being bias and making a clear binary seperation of "You're a herbivore, therefore, you cannot be with Carnivores." "You're a carnivore, therefore, you must slaughter everyone." However, in nature, there's been events of fliers (like crows for examples), stalking Coyotes and alerting nearby Wolves of it's whereabouts in order for them to track/kill the Coyote. A herbivore could, in theory, (let's say Galli or Ory) to run around and screech to alert carnivores of a rival's location be it herbi or carni. It's IN nature, it's just our social norms as humans deeming it wrong. To be honest, Devs should take into account events of this happening and balance the dinos accordingly to be able to keep a balance IF that happens. Or give a debuff if they're sticking around a certain player too long that isn't with them. idk It's complicated lol Not saying that the isle, pot or bob should accept mixpacking. Just pointing out that it's a common thing in nature so seeing realism servers claim it's nonexistant is laughable af at best and shows how ignorant a lot of people are to it.
I’d love to be able to play a full size apatosaurus or brachiosaurus in Evrima. Especially now in gateway? Be able to eat leaves high up on the trees and be so tall you can get awesome views.
I feel like toxic mixpacking is literally the thing breaking the games. There wouldn't be so many balance issues if the devs didn't have to count it in when planning things. It shouldn't be a thing that needs rules to enforce it as ruled servers are hellscapes of admins who do not do anything. Why wouldn't it be on the people who want to mixpack to join a server dedicated to it? Say deathmatch servers. Sounds much easier to accomplish that way than the other way. Ruled servers do not work. They have never worked and never will work. You must snip the problem through in game mechanics. Just like home cave camping was dealt with in path of titans. There is no answer to it in a form of a single mechanic, it needs heavy nuanced single trait at a time approach. It is a compilation of debuffs, traits and ticks that will stop people from doing it. A stego won't mixpack with utahs long if it refuses to eat in presence of them. A carno won't mixpack with tenos long if it loses half of its stamina for good for doing so etc. Add in random uncontrollable hostility where your carno just randomly charges an utah its packing with and kills it. Have the Ai take control for few seconds. You don't need to punish all mixpacking you can even encourage some types but the toxic types should be punished.
Agreed. Rules servers basically mean, "newbies must follow these rules, but my friends and donaters can do whatever the fuck they want, and I might even help them do it to you."
For the isle I would say only mixpacking with herbivores is justified. Even if the devs aren't biased towards carnivores, the players sure are. Most of the time players play carnivores. That means finding a herbivore that's also the same species and wants to group up could be very rare. It also lets certain herbivores actually get some use as a supportive element where it was useless otherwise. Besides, predation was never about killing every herbivore. It was about singling out a target and killing it. They could still implement a system that dissuades certain herbivores from grouping up using things like the diet system.
Thats one of the resons im playing on ruleservers. In EVERY dinogame. Herbis together in certain constalations? Ok. But everybody with everybody? Hell no! Stupid Mixpackers...
At least in The Isle Legacy I think Mix packing is frowned upon with Carnivores because they are allowed to be always in the offensive while Herbivores even if they are stronger than Carnivores are forced to play defensive. so even if they mix pack, herbivores can't abuse their mix power. Whereas Carnivores since are allowed to be offensive and instigators because of their very nature, they can be seen as easier to abuse their mix packing powers. For Example. Shants and Trikes are a very powerful force, but we know they can't abuse that power because they can only play defense, so they can't go about instigating uneven fights. Whereas a Rex mixpacking with a Giga for example if they mix pack Rex can easily be breaking bones and Gigas can bleed you out as soon as they see you, so that creates more of a toxic environment. Now if herbivores were allowed to play offensively and not only defensively then mix packing would be a lot more unfair. Or at least is how I think I see it.
I recall hearing at some point that Dondi planned on implementing an anti mixpacking mechanic that would cause a stress meter on the herbivore or non same carnivores that would eventually have a similar effect to hallucinations and health issues the closer and longer the species would be. Mixpacking is OP- and honestly it’s annoying after a while because the challenge kinda fails after a while. Herbivores are kind of ok- but I feel for realistic flavor that should not happen should a group of trikes leaves a fight be if another species is being targeted unless it comes to close into their comfort zone. Carnivores should have much the same. I mean animals in modern day mixpack (bears and foxes/wolves and crows etc) but it’s a symbiosis relation where weaker animals call larger ones to help them kill food they can’t kill themselves. They then get a share from the large for helping make hunting easier for the slower moving and harder to hunt animal. Idk. It always boils down to the server- and most of the time, people just snackrifice on those servers and such and…. A lot of the time it feels so cheap. One reason I quite playing tbh. Got excessively boring. DOD suffers this into an aggressive degree- in that groups are groups. You aren’t in, you’re on the menu- which generally you are a juvie perpetually and never get to be an adult. And the second you do- you’re targeted immediately and are killed anyway. These games are supposed to be simulators, but with so many human players with individual moral compasses spinning around madly, the simulation is no longer a simulation but people just being jerks or sore losers online. If anyone wants a true simulation game, Saurian is likely going to be the ideal as you are the only player against AI that are going to abide by set rules.
This. I love the idea of this genre, and the gameplay is often delightful, but the tendency of human players to turn into little groups of troll-sociopaths online just ruins this whole genre. Hadn't heard of Saurian. If it's any good at all it's going to eat all these other games for lunch and only leave behind the gank squads, who will quickly get bored on only having even fights and go do something else.
Ngl I feel the way to handle mixpacking is the diet system. Encourage some animals to hang out together via the system, with say Dryo and Stego foods being with each other, encouraging these two dinos to hang together. Stuff like that, put in mechanics that encourage the right groups mingling
I play pot because I enjoy the mmo style and I don't care if people mix pack because pot isn't exactly going for realism. If I didn't want mix packing and a more realistic setting, id play the isle. I think there's a game for any dino player so play the one which suits you. Pot isn't really a rule game. It's kinda a free for all. Which I enjoy. It's never boring. I enjoy no rules. Whatever happens, happens.
good video dude, really itches your brain on the topic. imo human interactions (ie; yesterday my friend was on mosa on beasts of bermuda, and i was on ory, and she swam over to say hi then left) are fine, but pvp mixpacking kinda blows, it's just an unfair advantage
well, in PoT herbis are stronger than carnis also individually (with maybe 1 or 2 exceptions), and that's a fact. In The Isle Evrima, for land based playables herbis are a bit stronger except utah vs pachy, but in Evrima this is less of an issue than in PoT because controls and fighting are hundreds times better than in PoT
I'm very, very late to this but here is my very long opinion: There are two types of mixpacking. Combative and passive. Passive is fine in almost any situation. If a ceratosaurus is not hungry and has plentiful food nearby, It has no reason to hunt a teno. The teno and the cerato can sit in close proximity with no issues. Combative has three main sections: Cross-species combat, mobbing, and symbiosis. Cross-species combat is bad. If a pachy bonebreaks people so their stego friends on discord can come kill it, that is bad. If stegos and deinos form long term huge alliances, that is bad. Mobbing is where multiple species work together for a short period of time. Omnis can work with carnos to bring down a stego, then they all eat and go their separate ways. That is fine. Symbiosis is where species work together because it is more beneficial for both of them. A beipi lures creatures to the water where deinos can grab them. The deino gets lunch and the beipi gets protection. That is fine. Thank for reading my essay.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with herbivores mix-herding and defending each other, as long as it’s for a good reason such as defense and not just because they’re friends. Carnivores can mix-pack to if it benefits them. Carnivores even mix-pack irl
Okay imo herbivores mixing with other herbivores is okay and ofc they gonna protect each other this happens in real life too I'm also fine when carnivore mixpack with other carnivore you know to bring down a bigger animal/pray so everyone is happy but my problem is when carnivores mixpack with herbivores this is what I have a problem with.
I don't know about anyone else, and not that its really a bad thing. I just notice that most of the recent videos Zaguer has posted have had a conclusion of, "It's up to you". I personally don't like it, cause i myself go to these to hear his opinions. That's just my take.
it depends. if mixpackers are just going on rampages and killing everything, not okay. if herbis are living in mixed herds, depending on the species, i think it is fine. but when carnies and carnies/ herbis carnies happen, thats when i draw the line.
As an evrima player this is my opinion on mixpacking, as long as a herbivore herd doesn't get to big and they don't all start KoSing then its fine. The real issue is when you include carnivores or the Herd just goes around slaughtering everything not in the herd. Now mixpacking Carnivores is where the issue lies, I believe that some forms of carnivore mixpack are ok, strictly depending on the Dinos involved, for example lets say a Carno happens to be playing with something like troodons or a ptera and even to an extent a Raptor (Just 1, if its a pack and Carnos then its gross) But if you have higher 'Tier' dinos like Ceras, Carnos, and Deinos Mixpacking than thats not ok. And I also want to make a distinction, Coexisting in the same area is not the same as mixpacking, I may be chilling center by a body I just killed and if a family of stegos pulls up I'm not gonna fight them. I'm just gonna 2 call and as long as they don't try to attack me they can do what they want. The same with any other dino, as long as I have food and they don't try to fight me I'm gonna leave them alone (Except Ceras and Deinos). And if they get attacked and as long as its not something cruel like someone going on a BB killstreak then I won't interfere. I also take this approach towards most juvies, as an Adult Carno I have zero reason to kill anything that small, I would get like 1-2% food out of it and I will normally let yall chill out in peace unless you attack me. (Except Cera and Deino Juvies i'm killing yall) Now with a herbivore and carnivore mixpack. If they are actively hunting like a pachy, stego, or teno is attacking other dinos with the carnivore; then its wrong. Now lets say you have a herd and they have a Ptera flying around telling them if a carnivore is stalking them, that's whatever. Pteras have very little impact to actual combat besides serving as an early alert to the herbivores, but almost no other carnivore should be actively hunting with/defending a herd. Also as a final note, doesn't matter what I'm playing, if you are playing Hypsi or Dryo then you're chillin and I will never attack you. No reason to kill an endangered species lmao.
Was hanging out in a chill survival Isle server and mixpacking wasnt banned exactly but it was more very discouraged with a couple exceptions like your dino being the only type online and such. I was playing as A utahraptor because i liked being able to jump At the time I was the only Utah and built a nest for the funsies and ended up havin a couple of smols, a friend managed to get egg'd as one of those big toothy ones that wasnt a rex or a giga, I cant remember exactly, but the juvi was as big as my Utah, their "parents" logged off for the night and with that the nest my friend was feeding from despawned So My utah ended up "Adopting" my huge ass friend until they were old enough to hunt on their own, we had the running joke of "hi technically not my mom" "hi sweetie" whenever we saw each other
I don’t directly have an issue with herbi carni mixes so long as they don’t engage in combat together. If they’re just hanging out then that’s fine. But I lost a stego I grew by myself to 3 stegos, a teno and 3 carnos all because I didn’t want to join their mix pack.
The only time I don’t like it is when people get in voice chat and coordinate with their friends. When it’s all within the limits of the game I don’t care
I love just chilling with all species as long as you dont like kos everyone together. just chilling, not hunting or killing together? yes! love it, have had some fun times in non violent mixpacks. i had a bunch of stego “friends” as a carno once, who would be friendly with me, their babies would play attack me and we were chill, but any time id start a hunt, theyd just sit down and watch and 2 call me
In realism you can have carnivore + carnivore scavengers, herbivore + herbivore friends(that you may or may not protect), or herbivore/carnivore + omnivore/carnivore cleaners(teeth, skin, insects).
From what I gather most people have issues with mixpacking when if that pack is hunting down other players and killing on sight. Most people seem completely fine with herbivores moving together and for smaller carnivores to follow packs around in order to scavenge anything they happen to kill.
That's why I prefer playing on realism servers. Hadrosaurids and Ceratopsians have to stay away from each other and most big carnivores may only actively seek company when they wanna produce offspring.
I think mixpacking is okay, as long as you consider a few important things. For example, herbivores are likely to not only tolerate other herbivore species, but actively seek them. We see this in our world too. If we look at the savannah for example you see many different species coming together and profiting off of each other by symbiosis. Important is, that not all species think the same. For example I would say that trikes would be more territorial than a maia or para. Also important to note is that those animals, while profitting off each other, don't protect each other. They may protect their space or herd, but not the specific individual, leaving carnivores a chance to attack them. In fact, in many cases we see the herd as a whole leaving behind the ones attacked, knowing that the attacker will leave the surviving herd alone. (Or he should at least, mass killing still is an issue and it annoys me beyond anything) As for carnivores: They should not mixpack, because they are, with exception of raptors, solitary and territorial hunters. They will kill other species and sometimes even their own kind if they must defend their territory or food. (I do also have a problem with rexes and other apexes being in huge groups bc they really don't hunt like that). There are are however exceptions. We see it in nature often that the really small critters - carnivore or herbivore - sit safely by a much larger predator. They profit off the situation because the apex wouldn't get much nutrition from them and thus leaves them alone by indifference. Sometimes we even see a symbiosis happening here, where small animals for example clean the teeth of a crocodile or of a shark and in return are not approached by other predators due to their vicinity to the bigger one. Another exception I see is when a very young individual meets an adult of another species. In rare cases, carnivores have "adopted" herbivores because their mother instinct kicked in. (Google lioness spares calf if you wonder). And it also makes for a sweet story if a dinosaur is raised by a pack of utahs for example. This is up to each player of course, some may just snack the baby. Lastly, some servers allow for a more relaxed playstyle, while others focus on survival and combat. One or the other may allow for mixpacking while the other does not. In the end it all boils down to using common sense, your own tastes and the rules you have to follow on each server.
Something that not a lot of people talk about is how mixed packing to a degree is seen in nature. Like there is that one breed of tarantula that keep little frogs around to help defend their eggs from airborn attackers. As far as official servers go, I think mixed packing should be discouraged through soft game mechanics like the stress system (I assume, I haven't played POT). If you still want to mix pack on official servers I think it should be open to you just like it is in real life but you should have to deal with the natural struggles that comes with it. On community servers it should be up to the rules to decide.
The main problem is that mix packers like to Kill on sight any other player they come across. Playing with friends who Dino has different diets is fine until a herbivore is trying to help kill a player to feed their carni friends or when a herbivore gets hunted and a carni attacks the other carni to protect herbivore. That type of mix packing in my opinion is the worst. For solo players, you never know who’s mix packing and have to keep in mind for every hunt. Being a herbivore you can’t even trust other herbivores. And then people love to say “how the game allows it or just deal with how other people play or go play rule or community servers”. If that’s your response then your adding to the problem, you can’t tell people to except mix packers when said people can’t and won’t except the people who don’t like mix packers. The same way there’s emersion servers the same way there’s severs for fighting and mix packing. Plus in my experience, most mix packers suck at the game and have less fun because you can only mix pack as often as you have people to do it with.
Okay. I am okay with herbi and herbi mixpacking but i am not sure about carni and carni but I am not a fan of herbi and carni, but a lot of times it depends on what server is about (Realism, sandbox and stuff like that) the specie of dinos mixpacking (like some type of dinosaur that cleans the teeth of deinos or specific dinosaurs co-exsist peacefully n stuff) Server rules, Game modes in different servers, what the mixpackers are doing (Defending eachother, killing everything, etc) and the type of personality of the mixpacking players themselves (Like stegos that are mixpacking with deinos and they just kill anything in sight, or chill mixpackers)
personally I am fine with any same diet mixpacking, the problem I have is entirely with cross diet mixpacking just due to it making combat an absolute pain and not being logical in the first place.
Disclaimer first before anyone starts getting pissed at me here: you can play the game the way your heart desires all you want as long as you are on the appropriate server don't get pissed when a mixpack kills you on a no rules servers and don't mixpack on a server with rules if you complain that the server you're playing on doesn't match the way you want to play the game that's your own damn fault for choosing that server and you should just switch servers with all that said i do think mixpacking is annoying when carnivores AND herbivores do it granted when you're just chilling and sharing food and stuff like that it's fine everyone involved is having fun but when you start hunting together, fighting together, scouting for eachother it becomes a problem for an example a rex may have trouble hunting a para because it's not fast enough and doesn't have enough stamina but if that rex partners up with a carno that can chase down and slow the para down for the rex with constant attacks and bleed the para has no way of surviving if they stop to fight then the rex catches up and kills them but if they keep moving and don't put their all into fighting off the carno then the carno could bleed them out or kill them themselves it's just unfair for the para because they have no options and pair that carnivore duo with a flier, another carno and/or other fast playable or just more players and the para can't even try to avoid a confrontation in the first place this problem gets even worse when players can simply choose to attack for fun and not self defense or food which is what to me makes mixpacking not just a problem when carnivores do it but herbivores as well there's nothing stopping an aggressive pachy from headbutting a rex and then running back to the herd to get them to mob the rex it's the same problem as growth you don't start out strong or fast enough to fight anything or to run but at least with that you have the assurance that when you grow these things wouldn't be a problem anymore
Herbivores practically can't live without a herd, and often will HAVE to resort to mix packing for the highest odds at survival. Carnivores on the other hand are entirely viable on their own or within single species groups. Though honestly, I'd prefer it if no animal had to mixpack to survive.
Also if they pair up with faster creatures such as carno and Rex then you can't do anything because that carno with out run u then Rex comes and gets u
Mixpacking with other herbis for a short time is okay I think. I saw a teno who got chased by 4 carnos. So I went to him with my stego and helped him a bit. And I helped him to drink after it. But a mega heard is not the best idea, bc everyone needs other diets. A hypsj as a pet is funny but it feels wrong to move with pachys, tenos and other herbis for a long time 🤷 Idk But I hate carni mixpacking. A wolf would never help a croc hunting!
In path of titans I just got my full grown Rex killed by mixpackers where I was killing a anky and another one comes I'm like that's fine but then a Rex and a metri come and kill me it's just annoying
I just lost a 100% Dilo in 5 seconds to a cerato carno mixpack on evrima. It’s really, really annoying, and im certain that I would have had even chances with either one of them by themselves or even two cerato or two carnos. Granted, I’d have run away from two ceratos or two carnos, but that wasn’t even an option with a mixpack like that.
Path of Titans need to add kicks to some of the herbivores, carni's have a very easy time tail riding and I'm pretty sure some of the hadrosaurs had a mean kick
I think if it’s her is that’s ok and some things like pteranodon should be aloud to mic pack with her is because it’s almost like a symbiotic relationship
Mix packing is a game breaker. Evrima official servers are absolutely terrible for it. The game is dying due to no content, so custom servers with rules are rarely populated.
The ideal mixpacking would recreate what is seen in nature wherein different species will live side by side as protection. The strengths of one species aids the weakness of another. The problem is definitively when they behave in a way contrary to how animals behave naturally. Since this is an MMO it’s hard to expect people not to “cheat” the system by taking advantage of certain mechanics. The only real solution would be a server which requires adherence to certain guidelines but if there are none you can’t really tell someone not to use an advantage if they can find and use it
Well I love mixpacking, it's just so nice sitting as a ptera with some deinos and stegos. You just feel so peacfull, safe and nice. Being nice to people will make the expierance nicer for everyone (in my opinion). I really hate aggros and people who specifficly kill any mixpackers they see. They just havin fun, why you gotta kill em? Just walk away and mind your own buisness. And don't pull the "it's not realistic" argument. You can litearlly search up any kind of irl animal mixpacking friendship on the internet. Like humans with lions and tigers with goats or pigs. Remember that there's also a human behind those pixels on your screen, and it might be a 10 year old kid who just got their day ruined by you. I'm not telling you to stop killing in general, it's just my opinion :D
I’d love to see a video on how to have a balance ecosystem for all the dinosaur releases so how to make the game have a balanced ecosystem cause it is not a balanced ecosystem at all the way it is now
I just hate it when I'm minding my own business as a Deino, and a pack of terry's scouts me out so they can tell their cannibal deino and stego/carno buddies in discord to trap me and put six hours of growth to waste. Please just give me access to the ocean so I actually have a chance to escape after 2 hours straight of swimming away instead of a dead end.
It depends for me. If it’s done in huge numbers regardless. It’s less great. But if it’s done in small or loosely it’s not. For example if a carni adopts a herb or the other way around. That’s fine. It two mega groups band together and start KOS, bad. If it’s two huge groups that hangout and rest together but maybe only one comes to the others defense? That’s fine. It’s when the odds or intention get way out of hand. Like I’ve as a rex adopted a baby trike that was new to the isle. Showed it around and whatnot. Luckily no one else was really on to bother us. If there was I would have defended the trike while it was still very young. But I’ve also been apart of huge groups as either a herb or a Utah and I would just hangout and relax. If I was the Utah in a herbivore group, I wouldn’t interfere in another carnivores hunt or go around mass killing everything with the herbivores. In one scenario I didn’t interfere at all and in the other any half decent player stands a really good chance of snagging the baby. To circumvent such dilemmas I favor realism servers that allow for a mild form of natural mix packing or honestly just adoption in this case. Where two species can play but not defend each other (or can but can’t mate or interact properly with their own because of imprint) or ones where adults can adopt (depending on species of adult) the baby for a limited time before either leaving or chasing them away. Since this naturally occurs.
I think carni-herbi mixing is bad when taken from the stance of how the game is meant to be played, which is to basically be in the mind and body of a dinosaur. And, in nature, while it CAN happen, it's seldom rare that a carni and herbi will defend each other. While there's those videos of lions, both males and females, seen protecting baby herbivorous species, it's exceedingly rare and circumstantial. But otherwise, you're never going to see a lion and a zebra teaming up to kick ass on the daily. You are, however, going to see dinos hanging in the same area for a variety of reasons, often due to there being a resource such as water, but they most certainly won't be defending each other. Now mind you, I like to play this game on No Rules servers very casually with friends, so I am 100% okay with mix-packing in general. However, I do get why it's a big no-go as it creates an unrealistic imbalance to the game when herbis and carnis team up with one another. On the other hand, even among herbivores there's limits on what should and can mingle together. Seeing as herbivores are much more open to cross-species herding in nature, but even then some species do NOT get along whatsoever. But overall my stance is this: Is mixpacking overall bad? Not necessarily, depending entirely on the circumstance. Is it not ideal and creates poor game balance? Yes, 100%. However, I myself and exceedingly neutral on mixpacking. Sometimes I do it, solely with friends or very chill people I meet, other times I will literally kill any species that isn't my own that comes too close to me unless it's a herbi-herbi situation which then becomes case-by-case. Big thing is if you don't like mix-packing, simply go to servers that don't allow it and avoid places where it does happen rather than do what nearly every anti-mixer does and just throw a literal bitch-fit over a fucking dinosaur game. XD
mixpacking for me is an absolute game ruiner for me in POT. any time ive tried getting food as carnivore, i got attacked by multiple carnivores and herbivores, etc... it's really annoying.
Am i the only 1 who likes that after so many complaints, after so much hate and so much chaos has been spread around mixpacking, people still question if mixpacking is bad? Most people i have seen, usually complain about this issue. Yk how you fix this for both sides? Servers that allow it, servers that don’t. It’s a win win for both sides, plus the game still keeps both sides to play the game instead of kicking 1 side out.
yes mixpacking is uhh it depends due to some people playing accurate this is because dinosaurs have the same likings and not liking like us for example the elephant does not liked rhinos thats why we never seen rhino close to elephant even its an herbivore (this is due elephant being territorial) but some times people where okay of it cuz its just game so it depends on peolpe or you mixpacking
Mixpacking in the isle evrima is a huge problem, i was carno on the zoo and met a mixpacker that was mixpacking with stegos. Its cringy cause stegos can defend themselves, same with carnos.
Mix packing in my opinion is bad sportsmanship within this game, people can't help themselves but to defend their friend even if they are different species, its just in human nature. So its better off being of the same species to even the playing field for others, For both Carnivores and Herbivores. But this rule really only applies with unofficial servers and should be the one and only rule reinforced besides maybe corpse guarding for herbivores. But for official servers all goes and unless they implement some exploitable side affect for mix packing there's not much that can be done about it. Even ever evolving diets wont really prevent it.
as a predator I like to follow herds around but not attack them. Usually they attract the attention of other predators, those predators try to fight the herd but end up dying. Then I get to eat afterwards. A very scavenging playstyle.
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Your brain is too big for your skull cuz that’s 1,000 iq
Guy literally figuring out commensalism in real time
I kinda do this sometimes. "Oh wait they fighting? QUICK AND DIE! IM HUNGRY!!" XD
imo different herbivore species being together isnt a problem,depending on the herbivores involved of course
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Noone cares. It's a Dinosaur game, dinosaur go bite. Whocares who you're playing with, we're always going to mixpack
If they body camp after mixpacking herbs are scum.
@@MrKeyalis i dont care = noone cares lmao
@@MrKeyalis
If "no one cared," this wouldn't even be a topic of discussion , so you, unfortunately, could not be any more incorrect in that assumption.
Mixpacking as long as it's just when people are hanging out and not actually defending each other is fine imo, but when they defend each other is when it becomes a Problem.
Agreed, mixherding is fine, mixpacking is not
@@kylehendricksilveralvin5376 “misherding” doesnt exist
@@mojolmao1752 It's just a herd of a bunch of different species
@@kylehendricksilveralvin5376 that dont protect each other? Yeah it doesn’t exist
@@mojolmao1752 It does exist as I have played on them, but those happen in realism servers with rules where I play, logically there ain't really much one can do to stop different species from cooperating in Evrima right now, mixpacking or mixherding is dependent entirely on the players
I had a small dilo following me [a fully grown rex] to eat what I didn't need. I felt bad for logging in right next to him and felt bad so I didn't kill him. He stayed with me to get some easy food and keep other predators off his back. Hardly a pack, nor could he hunt with me because I'm pretty unco and almost killed him the first time he tried to help me lmao
Wouldn't really call that mix packing. More like a scavenger following an easy meal
Yeah this is more like how certain species of birds will follow hunting predators around until they make a kill.
Remora to a shark
personally, I prefer a natural playstyle and enjoy seeing the same playstyle in a server. I don't see the problem in a group of smaller creatures hanging around a group of larger ones, acting as look outs and early warning systems. Struthimimus hanging around Stegosaurs and screaming to the top of their lungs when they see a carnivore is absolutely acceptable to me as is smaller Raptors hanging around a pair of Allosaurs to scavenge and feed off of their kills. However, the problem I have is when the two species actively aid one another in combat. Why would any large creature care about a specific smaller species or vice versa? My biggest gripe about mix packing is matching something like a Carnotaurus with a Tyrannosaurus, the Carnotaurus is fast enough to keep up with you and drain you of stamina, keeping you distracted until the much stronger and slower Tyrannosaurus catches up, you have no chance unless you are in a sizable group. Being a solo player (usually), mix packing like the previous example is the most frustrating to me. It makes me feel as though I have no way to defend myself besides playing how I actively don't wish to play. Thankfully, such problems aren't really an issue in community driven servers where I mostly spend my time.
Completely agree with what you said.
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[Why would any large creature care about a specific smaller species or vice versa?]
Why shouldn't we?
To each their own. Don't force me away from my friends who want to be other dinosaurs. The aim is to have fun, not bully other people playing their own way.
@@southernknight9983 I'm not telling anyone how to play the game nor am I forcing them into a certain playstyle. Just because I think mixpacking is scummy, especially to solos, doesn't mean anyone should not play like that. That's the whole reason why I play on semi-realism servers - to enjoy how I prefer playing by surrounding myself with others who feel the same. So long as no one comes into a semi-realism server for the intention of breaking the rules and mixpacking then, I don't care how other people play because odds are, I don't play with them.
But you have to admit, for individuals who don't have friends that play the game or just prefer to play solo, it's aggravating when two small Raptors attack you so a Das can bone break you only so the slower Apex can catch up and finish you off. In my opinion it's scummy, there's no challenge to the game at that point and, I prefer games to challenge me so I can get better at them and to be honest, I have. I've became so much better at combat because I play solo and don't mixpack, if I lose a confrontation, I have nothing but myself to blame and I can learn to improve.
But like I said, if you're in a server with no rules or a KOS server and you want to mixpack, more power to you.
@@alienstar2088 If you see a pack of what ever and don't think you can take them on, then just move on instead of calling them scummy. Find another solo to kill or a smaller group that you can go and wipe out.
There is no reason to get pissy when you see an herbivore and a carnivore getting along with each other, as if is not realistic or something. It's certainly not unheard of.
I just find it an issue when it has no counterplay. for instance in an isle specific situation that i have faced before. A stego vs stego duel where two stegos are trying to kill me, running is a viable option. this becomes immediablty unviable when they have a carno or utah chasing me and trying to slow me down. eventually i reach a crossroads where i either have to attack and use stamina (+ stop in stegos specific situation) to deal with the faster and more agile carnivores, or continue running from the stegos only to be whittled by thier companions. there is literally nothing i couldve done to protect my 5 hour investment other than avoiding hotspots and never getting spotted by these players.
I am a stego mixpacker but I never help with others combat. They do what they want and I don't want them to except getting protection from me. I'm a pacifist player and I geniuenlly never atacked anyone, not even a deino atatcking me. As a steg no one except deinos deal any damage to me so what's the point in killing others? It's jusf a waste of stamina. Stegos have great power. And with great power, comes great responsibility.
@@mariagirtler-budesca6930 finally some gigachad stego main
@@kozodlak9399 Thanks XD
In PoT no one does anything against mixpacking, in BoB the devs disencourage mixpacking and in the isle players disencourage mixpacking
PoT kinda supports it but that's just cus they separate the roster as herbivores vs carnivores and not species vs species or the more common carnivore species vs everyone else
It can be great for combat or chill servers, But for survival servers it’s not fair for people wanting a realistic experience and you get chased by a pack of Triceratops and T. rex working togeather. Then it becomes an issue. There are already dozens of dinosaur combat based games out there. But these particular 3 games I want to play survival. It’s not cool for combat players to bring there combat experience into a game where the point of the game is to live the longest not kill other players. Just stick to your combat based games weather it’s Primal Carnage or Jurassic world. Leave us survival players in peace with our game style. We don’t want you
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Well if you play on a Realism server that shouldnt be a problem anyway if the admins are doing their job.
Agreed. It's really fun for chill, no-rules servers when you just want to vibe with friends as carni-herbi mixpacks, but on survival or serious servers I don't agree with it.
Jurassic world? bruh that's either a park building gaming or a lego game unless you're talking about the money hungry mobile game
@@dragonhearted7761 Yep 😂
I'm mostly against mixpacking, but I think rare, short moments of non combat related symbiotic relationships would be neat, since they do exist irl in nature
Animals become friends and friends will defend each other. This has been proven. Nothing wrong with animals from different species getting along with each other. It benefits survival and that is the aim of these games. No reason to force people to play a certain way. Let's get along!
@@southernknight9983 That's true until a certain point: animals don't "make friendship with one another", they just defend species (or don't attack them) in contexts where they could be beneficial, for example:
Certain ants will defend aphids from other insects, in exchange for a nutritious liquid that the aphids produce from their diet, in short, aphids serve as livestock for ants.
Another example are big herbivores like buffalos, rhinos and elefants that let small birds be on top of them, those birds get free food from the parasites present in their skins and protection from predators like monitor lizards and other animals, while the herbivore receives a free skin care, this also happens with carnivores like lions, cheetahs and leopards, but less frequently than herbivores since the carnivores present a bigger risk.
What there isn't in nature, is a species of medium or large size protecting their predators or potentially assisting them in hunts, so while symbiotic relations do exist, they must not occur for example with a herbivore and it's natural predator, that is just an execuse for mixpacking.
@@southernknight9983its true but to a certain point you gotta accept that THIS isnt real nature. Video games have balances that should be respected to be enjoyable.
If not then a game with mostly gun with 1shot 1 kill full auto would ruin the fun.
@@Godisgood007 I would argue against animals not forming friendships, because crows/ravens exist. They play/interact with wolf pups and this bond extends to adulthood. Sometimes they'll pull the wolves' tails or tease them. Of course, this is a predator/scavenger relationship, but crows and ravens are extremely intelligent so I would say they know exactly what they're doing.
I do agree that herbivores and predators do not mix and protect each other in symbiotic relationships. Although capybaras simply don't care about anything, they're an exception, not the rule.
@@thunderclanwarrior1253 Yeah I found out about the wolves/crows relationships recently, and while I do agree that cases like those do happen in nature, we must also take into account that modern animals are much more inteligent than the majority of extinct animals, so in the prehistoric creature's context I think it is safe to say that relationships like those are much, much more rare, if they happened at all.
Mixpacking is a very grey topic for me. I was somewhat ok with it in The Isles old severs, where there would be a super mix pack that chilled at twins just talking since chat was open.
I would hang with them but only fight if my partner or kids were being targeted beyond that they are chat buddies and no more than that lol.
In evrima I don't do mixpacking at all but that's because there's no social aspect outside of my own species anymore. In legacy I enjoyed talking to people but without that being a thing anymore then I don't really care for it.
I remember playing the isle once and i was growing a sub adult triceratops, was resting on a nice island in cover i decided i needed a drink so i went no more than 5-6 steps to drink and spotted a rex a giga and a galli. The galli spotted me and came to check me out, not long after that the galli must have been in discord with the carnivores cause they didn't spot me only the galli did and i ended up fighting the lost battle. Not cool when mixpacking like that happens but i'm somewhat alright with herbies and carnis mixing up.
How I view it as an evrima player is that for mixed herbi herds it’s fine so long as you aren’t ravaging the map killing everything in sight.
For carnivores I’d say it’s fine to work with other species opportunistically (such as 2 groups of carnis coming across the same herd of herbis) but you shouldn’t have any sort of alliance beyond this temporary truce. Once the hunt is done you are no longer friends.
However I think that carnivores and herbivores just shouldn’t mix pack, with the exception of pteranodon. I’m fine if you want to ignore each other but working together is unfair, annoying, and immersion breaking.
I agree, as a deino we would have symbiotic relationships with carnos, they would bait herbivores or utahs towards the water where then, we would strike and take down the prey which benefits both of us. And its cool having those temporary symbiotic relationships. This kind of cooperation is really nice to be in, i wish it was more frequent especially with the same species. Herbi mix-packing im chill with as well. However, Carni and Herbi mix-packing (combat wise) irritates me especially when they are hunting herbivores together, it makes it impossible to escape it, for example pachy and carno working together to kill a stego or teno. I am also against cannibalism within herbivores, quite annoying.
Honestly, that's the way I think that works best with evrima. I've come across a random raptor, allowed it to eat with me and my baby raptor friends in our fresh kill. Only for him to turn on us and saying sorry because he's mixpacking with carnos.
Another issue is also that stego are getting really aggressive, to the point where they run after anything that moves, just to kill it. And even going so far as guarding that corpse if they see a carnivore waiting for them to leave so they could eat it
I try to look at it through the lense of what kind of community server is running the show - Realism? Then no mix packing. Survival? Some mix packing but only if its of the same dino tier in terms of balance. Chill? Mix packing is fine. PvP based or straight up DM? It can go both ways either full mix packing or some, really just depends what the meta is and how balanced they want their community server to be. And that's the main beef - there will always be a meta. If you mix pack with herbs and carnys you'll always want to fill out the group with the best possible fighters to ward off or best any attackers. That's just a given. You see it a lot in mix packing servers; players will pick a target they can either outrun & whittle down or force it to fight the behemoth in your group. Either way that target dies to whatever the meta is.
My stance on mixpacking is this:
It's fine when it's between herbivores, and only fine between carnivores if they are of similar species.
So basically I think herds like in Disney's dinosaur are fine and its fine if carnivores live and work together as long as they are in the same group of creature, so like if you had a pack of raptors but lets say amongst them there are different species of raptor, or like if you had a pack consisting of suchos and barys, or if you had a pack consisting of dilophosaurus and monolophosaurus or if an alberto joined a pack of rexes, that sort of thing. stick to the similar creatures, so like, no gigas and rexes teaming up with spinos or something
Can you give an example of "different species" of raptors.
@@zacktory161 for which game?
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The isle legacy, or evrima.
@@zacktory161 I'd say utahraprs, austroraptors and troodons. *Mabye* oviraptors but at that point thats just pushing it
Honestly even similar species carnivores in real life will literally fight each other, such as polar and grizzly bears, despite being so genetically close they can create fertile offspring. So I definitely think if it's a close-species thing, they need to actually be CLOSE species. As in how they're making a proper feathered utah model and changing the old one to the Omniraptor, that's one of few circumstances I could see carnis mixing with other carnis.
If you're using it to ruthlessly dominate and KOS others to the point where the rest of the players on a server can't effectively play the game and how its originally intended to be played? Then yes, It's VERY bad. I remember the Chinese mixpacking days of The Isle and I don't want to see them again.
You also have Beasts of Bermuda's rise & fall as direct proof that excessively catering to toxic clans & high-growth players is a BAD idea that will ultimately result in the long-term decline & death of a dino sim game - if drastic changes aren't made to prevent it from continuing, that is. Beasts of Bermuda's Titania update was specifically created to prevent this from happening again - but the update took such a long time to develop, that the majority of the players left supporting the game WERE these toxic PVP clan types who simply wanted to go around and powertrip across entire servers. And even with the new update - the devs are STILL too scared to address the underlying issues that enabled these toxic mega-clans to begin with - and those issues were inherited talent points and RNG gore spawns.
And this isn't just apparent in dino sims, but in other multiplayer survival games and PVP-based MMOs as well (New World's sudden downfall being one of the biggest examples of PVP toxicity blunders right now.) We're currently seeing the same thing happen to Path of Titans' playerbase right now too, which is going crazy due to the combination of a frustratingly boring gameplay loop (quest-induced growth) and the devs enabling mix-packing on servers. And the game's community, enjoyability and reputation is suffering big-time because of it.
Point is: PVP toxicity needs to be mitigated as much as possible by developers. Telling people to join a community server isn't the answer and just results in said issues festering for years, creating a plethora of other issues for the game as a result. The sooner a dev studio implements anti-mixpacking and toxicity gameplay mechanics, the better off the game will be in the long-term.
I am only ok with it for the social aspect. so long as they arent assisting each other in combat or survival I'm fine with it.
this definitely is one of the core reasons as to why i like community servers so much more than official^^"
I prefer the more realistic style, so I stick to those types of servers. In the wild, you can see mega herds of Zebra and Wildabeasts with a sprinkle of Gazelle. However, you don't see Lions, Hyenas, and Cheetahs hunting one another. To me, herbivores mixing up makes sense but carnivores are another. However, small carnivores hanging around larger ones can be ok, like Jackals not living far from Lions and eating their scraps. I guess servers with rules are probably the best in my mind, with individual species traits that allow for certain types of herds.
I usually play on path of Titans community servers as a dilo that follows a herd of herbs around, they tend to have some kind of big apex try to get food, get gored by a trike, becomes my meal,tho when that doesn't happen, babys or random corspes do well too.
I never get close either, unless i follow for hours and they realize im not a threat.
Then i get to be closer to bigger, basically defensive walls for me.
It's unironically fun.
Especially when the younger herbs get a bit too curious and friendly towards me despite being able to n o m their face off.
There should be servers with in game build in features for players who want to play with realism (no mixpacking, etc.), and there should be the ones where everything is allowed (like WoW war mode on and off). Maybe a mixture of the 2 for like a good mid option (you can hang out with other species but not initiate combat)
Ideally I feel like the Isle should aspire to create gameplay that naturally encourages players to embrace the roleplaying aspect rather than enforcing hard rules and limiting player freedom and emergent gameplay. IRL examples are rare but do occur, IE coyotes and badgers, or bottlenose dolphins and false killer whales. Obviously there is a problem with players immediately exploiting this tactic so the tradeoff on freedom might ultimately be worth it for the sanity of the herbi player base. But I feel like there are ways to encourage cooperation between same species without necessarily harshly discouraging the occasional interspecies cooperation. Making nesting more viable and beneficial could be an effective solution, or part of one. If players could pass on unique (entirely aesthetic) mutations that can accumulate over multiple generations and rarely spontaneously occur, that could be a strong motivation to favor your own species and specifically your own bloodline. Right now though I can't even trust members of my own species in Evrima not to randomly kill me after packing up so obviously there's much work and tweaking to be done to encourage any cooperation at all!
Mixpacking in the real world isn’t all that rare. Aside from symbiotic relationships we see more intelligent species “mixpacking” just because they hate certain species.
Humpback whales routinely do everything in their power to screw over Orcas because they hunt humpback calves. To the point where they will protect the prey of Orcas just to deny them food. Humpbacks will even engage in “mobbing” behaviors where they harass Orcas until they leave the area altogether. This can kind of be considered mixpacking in a strange way but it usually only lasts as long as orcas are around.
Mix-pack if you want on servers that don't say otherwise [officials], but don't be surprised if others come together to wipe out your group.
for me I see mixpacking as 2 types, being friendly and mixpacking, being friendly is just not attacking eachother and instead just chilling together, but not helping in fights, while mixpacking is protecting others in combat or helping them grow. Only time I think mixpacking is okay is for certain herbis that are basically made to live in herds, hypsi in evrima for example or when a dinosaur is so underpowered its impossible to survive without other species help, current dryo in evrima is a good example, since they are slower and weaker then everything that can kill them. Also depends on server and how the mixpack acts, if its a no rule server with a small mixpack that are pretty chill, I dont care that they are mixpacking, if its a 10 person clan killing everything no matter what, then im annoyed.
Mixpacking is also a huge problem for solo players, I usually go solo and mixpacks usually have something small and fast that you could kill solo, but have to be careful and then an apex runs out and kills you.
Whenever I’m able to play the isle, I usually am chill with “mixpacking” but I don’t fight with the other species, we’re simply coexisting and staying together to stay safe, but not protecting eachother unless it’s a baby getting attacked. I’ll stand my ground and mind my business until I get attacked
I agree, herbivores mixpacking is fine with me, hell even carnivores mixpacking can be fine depending on the situation, like in evrima when carnos might team up with raptors to take down a mega herd or something, but when herbivores who are built for the defensive, team up with carnivores who are built for the offensive, it becomes a problem as now all weaknesses are kind of covered if that makes sense. Carnivores and herbivore mixpacking creates massive imbalances in combat.
megaheards of herbis is also meh, i see it that stegos adopt another herbi for a while but if u then see tenos packis and stegos hunting others i think its not alright anymore
I would say temporary alliances are fine, but ofc key word temporary, once the animal targeted is dead all ties should end.
@@Gatoraid-nf7xd yeah thats good too
Herbis getting into a mixed herd I have zero problem with. Once you involve carnies things get ridiculous.
The game already heavily favors people who coordinate via out-of-game tools to gank other people, which is going to inevitably keep the genre smaller than it should be. The worse this gets, the smaller the genre, to the point where I usually can only play these games for a month or two at a time before I just get bored and annoyed at getting outnumbered and murdered constantly.
I think herbs can mix packing whit other herbs. But carnis shoud not mix whit other carnis or herbs
The problem is, it's very unfair for other players, for example; me and a friend were just playing on EU 2 and 3Deinos, as well as a stego and a pteranodon were teaming-up and hunting others as a whole team of a mixed-pack. You can't do anything against it and it just destroys the game experience since it took us over 4h to grow our Deinos out...all for nothing. Problem is it's still ''not against any rules''... Very sad to see imo.
Mixpacking is fine so much as they aren’t using it to ruin other peoples experiences and such. I’ve chilled with Utahs as a Stego before.
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It's definitely a tough topic.
Herbivores even in real life generally will herd/tolerate each other for protection from carnivores.
And some carnivores even coexist with herds because they serve a purpose.
From a gameplay standpoint....
It's rough as Carnis tend to form very large packs and due to their gameplay loop they tend to overpopulate Herbivore players almost forcing Herbies to group up if they wish to survive.
Impo....
The anger towards mixpacking stems from folks just not being happy taking the L because they attacked a herd. =/
Just saying....
If you walk into a bar, start a fight with a Biker gang....you shouldn't get mad when the gang beats you down. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I mainly play Path and I think the herbies with herbies and carnis with carnis is a good system. Flexible yet restrictive.
Just have to use strategy and "think"/use common sense.
If you're hungry....it's probably not a good idea to attack that 1 herbivore in the middle of 4 or 6 other herbies, go eat critters, corpse hunt (scavenge) or hunt lone herbies/those who stray too far from the herd (like irl predators do).
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to be fair, it's been shown many times in nature that carni and herbies have lived and co existed or even helped each other. It's just us being bias and making a clear binary seperation of "You're a herbivore, therefore, you cannot be with Carnivores." "You're a carnivore, therefore, you must slaughter everyone."
However, in nature, there's been events of fliers (like crows for examples), stalking Coyotes and alerting nearby Wolves of it's whereabouts in order for them to track/kill the Coyote.
A herbivore could, in theory, (let's say Galli or Ory) to run around and screech to alert carnivores of a rival's location be it herbi or carni.
It's IN nature, it's just our social norms as humans deeming it wrong. To be honest, Devs should take into account events of this happening and balance the dinos accordingly to be able to keep a balance IF that happens. Or give a debuff if they're sticking around a certain player too long that isn't with them. idk It's complicated lol Not saying that the isle, pot or bob should accept mixpacking. Just pointing out that it's a common thing in nature so seeing realism servers claim it's nonexistant is laughable af at best and shows how ignorant a lot of people are to it.
Except the crow actually gets something out of that, it can scavenge the coyote bodies
Wtf is an galli or ory gonna get out of that?
I’d love to be able to play a full size apatosaurus or brachiosaurus in Evrima. Especially now in gateway? Be able to eat leaves high up on the trees and be so tall you can get awesome views.
I feel like toxic mixpacking is literally the thing breaking the games. There wouldn't be so many balance issues if the devs didn't have to count it in when planning things.
It shouldn't be a thing that needs rules to enforce it as ruled servers are hellscapes of admins who do not do anything. Why wouldn't it be on the people who want to mixpack to join a server dedicated to it? Say deathmatch servers. Sounds much easier to accomplish that way than the other way. Ruled servers do not work. They have never worked and never will work. You must snip the problem through in game mechanics. Just like home cave camping was dealt with in path of titans.
There is no answer to it in a form of a single mechanic, it needs heavy nuanced single trait at a time approach. It is a compilation of debuffs, traits and ticks that will stop people from doing it. A stego won't mixpack with utahs long if it refuses to eat in presence of them. A carno won't mixpack with tenos long if it loses half of its stamina for good for doing so etc. Add in random uncontrollable hostility where your carno just randomly charges an utah its packing with and kills it. Have the Ai take control for few seconds.
You don't need to punish all mixpacking you can even encourage some types but the toxic types should be punished.
Agreed.
Rules servers basically mean, "newbies must follow these rules, but my friends and donaters can do whatever the fuck they want, and I might even help them do it to you."
It’s bullshit when I grow up a trex and get chased down by a spino, rex, giga, three allos, and 7 carnos… dumb AF
For the isle I would say only mixpacking with herbivores is justified. Even if the devs aren't biased towards carnivores, the players sure are. Most of the time players play carnivores. That means finding a herbivore that's also the same species and wants to group up could be very rare. It also lets certain herbivores actually get some use as a supportive element where it was useless otherwise. Besides, predation was never about killing every herbivore. It was about singling out a target and killing it. They could still implement a system that dissuades certain herbivores from grouping up using things like the diet system.
Only land herbies together is ok
Thats one of the resons im playing on ruleservers. In EVERY dinogame. Herbis together in certain constalations? Ok. But everybody with everybody? Hell no! Stupid Mixpackers...
At least in The Isle Legacy I think Mix packing is frowned upon with Carnivores because they are allowed to be always in the offensive while Herbivores even if they are stronger than Carnivores are forced to play defensive. so even if they mix pack, herbivores can't abuse their mix power. Whereas Carnivores since are allowed to be offensive and instigators because of their very nature, they can be seen as easier to abuse their mix packing powers.
For Example. Shants and Trikes are a very powerful force, but we know they can't abuse that power because they can only play defense, so they can't go about instigating uneven fights. Whereas a Rex mixpacking with a Giga for example if they mix pack Rex can easily be breaking bones and Gigas can bleed you out as soon as they see you, so that creates more of a toxic environment.
Now if herbivores were allowed to play offensively and not only defensively then mix packing would be a lot more unfair.
Or at least is how I think I see it.
herbs stay over here carnis stay over here
I recall hearing at some point that Dondi planned on implementing an anti mixpacking mechanic that would cause a stress meter on the herbivore or non same carnivores that would eventually have a similar effect to hallucinations and health issues the closer and longer the species would be.
Mixpacking is OP- and honestly it’s annoying after a while because the challenge kinda fails after a while. Herbivores are kind of ok- but I feel for realistic flavor that should not happen should a group of trikes leaves a fight be if another species is being targeted unless it comes to close into their comfort zone.
Carnivores should have much the same. I mean animals in modern day mixpack (bears and foxes/wolves and crows etc) but it’s a symbiosis relation where weaker animals call larger ones to help them kill food they can’t kill themselves. They then get a share from the large for helping make hunting easier for the slower moving and harder to hunt animal.
Idk. It always boils down to the server- and most of the time, people just snackrifice on those servers and such and…. A lot of the time it feels so cheap. One reason I quite playing tbh. Got excessively boring.
DOD suffers this into an aggressive degree- in that groups are groups. You aren’t in, you’re on the menu- which generally you are a juvie perpetually and never get to be an adult. And the second you do- you’re targeted immediately and are killed anyway.
These games are supposed to be simulators, but with so many human players with individual moral compasses spinning around madly, the simulation is no longer a simulation but people just being jerks or sore losers online.
If anyone wants a true simulation game, Saurian is likely going to be the ideal as you are the only player against AI that are going to abide by set rules.
This. I love the idea of this genre, and the gameplay is often delightful, but the tendency of human players to turn into little groups of troll-sociopaths online just ruins this whole genre.
Hadn't heard of Saurian. If it's any good at all it's going to eat all these other games for lunch and only leave behind the gank squads, who will quickly get bored on only having even fights and go do something else.
Ngl I feel the way to handle mixpacking is the diet system. Encourage some animals to hang out together via the system, with say Dryo and Stego foods being with each other, encouraging these two dinos to hang together. Stuff like that, put in mechanics that encourage the right groups mingling
I think it’s okay if herbivores do it but if carnivores mix pack with other carnivores and herbivores I hate it
I play pot because I enjoy the mmo style and I don't care if people mix pack because pot isn't exactly going for realism. If I didn't want mix packing and a more realistic setting, id play the isle. I think there's a game for any dino player so play the one which suits you. Pot isn't really a rule game. It's kinda a free for all. Which I enjoy. It's never boring. I enjoy no rules. Whatever happens, happens.
Gonna be real: Mix packing is horrible. however, if they're carnivores and carnivore or herbivore with herbivores teaming up, I see no issue.
good video dude, really itches your brain on the topic. imo human interactions (ie; yesterday my friend was on mosa on beasts of bermuda, and i was on ory, and she swam over to say hi then left) are fine, but pvp mixpacking kinda blows, it's just an unfair advantage
That's why NPC/AI will give that mix packing a hard time ruining players experience. It gives the victim a chance to survive such anarchy
well, in PoT herbis are stronger than carnis also individually (with maybe 1 or 2 exceptions), and that's a fact. In The Isle Evrima, for land based playables herbis are a bit stronger except utah vs pachy, but in Evrima this is less of an issue than in PoT because controls and fighting are hundreds times better than in PoT
Will you make videos on Beasts of Bermuda?
I'm very, very late to this but here is my very long opinion:
There are two types of mixpacking. Combative and passive. Passive is fine in almost any situation. If a ceratosaurus is not hungry and has plentiful food nearby, It has no reason to hunt a teno. The teno and the cerato can sit in close proximity with no issues. Combative has three main sections: Cross-species combat, mobbing, and symbiosis. Cross-species combat is bad. If a pachy bonebreaks people so their stego friends on discord can come kill it, that is bad. If stegos and deinos form long term huge alliances, that is bad. Mobbing is where multiple species work together for a short period of time. Omnis can work with carnos to bring down a stego, then they all eat and go their separate ways. That is fine. Symbiosis is where species work together because it is more beneficial for both of them. A beipi lures creatures to the water where deinos can grab them. The deino gets lunch and the beipi gets protection. That is fine.
Thank for reading my essay.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with herbivores mix-herding and defending each other, as long as it’s for a good reason such as defense and not just because they’re friends. Carnivores can mix-pack to if it benefits them. Carnivores even mix-pack irl
Okay imo herbivores mixing with other herbivores is okay and ofc they gonna protect each other this happens in real life too I'm also fine when carnivore mixpack with other carnivore you know to bring down a bigger animal/pray so everyone is happy but my problem is when carnivores mixpack with herbivores this is what I have a problem with.
I don't know about anyone else, and not that its really a bad thing. I just notice that most of the recent videos Zaguer has posted have had a conclusion of, "It's up to you".
I personally don't like it, cause i myself go to these to hear his opinions. That's just my take.
Anyone's free to play however they want by me, even if i may complain for a minute or two when i die.
it depends. if mixpackers are just going on rampages and killing everything, not okay. if herbis are living in mixed herds, depending on the species, i think it is fine. but when carnies and carnies/ herbis carnies happen, thats when i draw the line.
Me and my buddies usually mixpack (herbi with carni) but don’t interfere in fights with each other unless other mixpackers wanna throw hands
As an evrima player this is my opinion on mixpacking, as long as a herbivore herd doesn't get to big and they don't all start KoSing then its fine. The real issue is when you include carnivores or the Herd just goes around slaughtering everything not in the herd.
Now mixpacking Carnivores is where the issue lies, I believe that some forms of carnivore mixpack are ok, strictly depending on the Dinos involved, for example lets say a Carno happens to be playing with something like troodons or a ptera and even to an extent a Raptor (Just 1, if its a pack and Carnos then its gross) But if you have higher 'Tier' dinos like Ceras, Carnos, and Deinos Mixpacking than thats not ok.
And I also want to make a distinction, Coexisting in the same area is not the same as mixpacking, I may be chilling center by a body I just killed and if a family of stegos pulls up I'm not gonna fight them. I'm just gonna 2 call and as long as they don't try to attack me they can do what they want. The same with any other dino, as long as I have food and they don't try to fight me I'm gonna leave them alone (Except Ceras and Deinos). And if they get attacked and as long as its not something cruel like someone going on a BB killstreak then I won't interfere.
I also take this approach towards most juvies, as an Adult Carno I have zero reason to kill anything that small, I would get like 1-2% food out of it and I will normally let yall chill out in peace unless you attack me. (Except Cera and Deino Juvies i'm killing yall)
Now with a herbivore and carnivore mixpack. If they are actively hunting like a pachy, stego, or teno is attacking other dinos with the carnivore; then its wrong. Now lets say you have a herd and they have a Ptera flying around telling them if a carnivore is stalking them, that's whatever. Pteras have very little impact to actual combat besides serving as an early alert to the herbivores, but almost no other carnivore should be actively hunting with/defending a herd.
Also as a final note, doesn't matter what I'm playing, if you are playing Hypsi or Dryo then you're chillin and I will never attack you. No reason to kill an endangered species lmao.
Don't go into a server that doesn't match your playstyle and complain about it, probably the best way to say it 🙂Great video again!
Was hanging out in a chill survival Isle server and mixpacking wasnt banned exactly but it was more very discouraged with a couple exceptions like your dino being the only type online and such.
I was playing as A utahraptor because i liked being able to jump
At the time I was the only Utah and built a nest for the funsies and ended up havin a couple of smols, a friend managed to get egg'd as one of those big toothy ones that wasnt a rex or a giga, I cant remember exactly, but the juvi was as big as my Utah, their "parents" logged off for the night and with that the nest my friend was feeding from despawned
So My utah ended up "Adopting" my huge ass friend until they were old enough to hunt on their own, we had the running joke of "hi technically not my mom" "hi sweetie" whenever we saw each other
I don’t directly have an issue with herbi carni mixes so long as they don’t engage in combat together. If they’re just hanging out then that’s fine. But I lost a stego I grew by myself to 3 stegos, a teno and 3 carnos all because I didn’t want to join their mix pack.
The only time I don’t like it is when people get in voice chat and coordinate with their friends. When it’s all within the limits of the game I don’t care
I love just chilling with all species as long as you dont like kos everyone together. just chilling, not hunting or killing together? yes! love it, have had some fun times in non violent mixpacks. i had a bunch of stego “friends” as a carno once, who would be friendly with me, their babies would play attack me and we were chill, but any time id start a hunt, theyd just sit down and watch and 2 call me
I dont think mixpacking in the isle Herbivores OR Carnivores ruin the immersion and shouldnt be allowed.
In realism you can have carnivore + carnivore scavengers, herbivore + herbivore friends(that you may or may not protect), or herbivore/carnivore + omnivore/carnivore cleaners(teeth, skin, insects).
From what I gather most people have issues with mixpacking when if that pack is hunting down other players and killing on sight. Most people seem completely fine with herbivores moving together and for smaller carnivores to follow packs around in order to scavenge anything they happen to kill.
That's why I prefer playing on realism servers. Hadrosaurids and Ceratopsians have to stay away from each other and most big carnivores may only actively seek company when they wanna produce offspring.
I think mixpacking is okay, as long as you consider a few important things.
For example, herbivores are likely to not only tolerate other herbivore species, but actively seek them. We see this in our world too. If we look at the savannah for example you see many different species coming together and profiting off of each other by symbiosis.
Important is, that not all species think the same. For example I would say that trikes would be more territorial than a maia or para. Also important to note is that those animals, while profitting off each other, don't protect each other. They may protect their space or herd, but not the specific individual, leaving carnivores a chance to attack them. In fact, in many cases we see the herd as a whole leaving behind the ones attacked, knowing that the attacker will leave the surviving herd alone. (Or he should at least, mass killing still is an issue and it annoys me beyond anything)
As for carnivores: They should not mixpack, because they are, with exception of raptors, solitary and territorial hunters. They will kill other species and sometimes even their own kind if they must defend their territory or food. (I do also have a problem with rexes and other apexes being in huge groups bc they really don't hunt like that).
There are are however exceptions. We see it in nature often that the really small critters - carnivore or herbivore - sit safely by a much larger predator. They profit off the situation because the apex wouldn't get much nutrition from them and thus leaves them alone by indifference. Sometimes we even see a symbiosis happening here, where small animals for example clean the teeth of a crocodile or of a shark and in return are not approached by other predators due to their vicinity to the bigger one.
Another exception I see is when a very young individual meets an adult of another species. In rare cases, carnivores have "adopted" herbivores because their mother instinct kicked in. (Google lioness spares calf if you wonder). And it also makes for a sweet story if a dinosaur is raised by a pack of utahs for example. This is up to each player of course, some may just snack the baby.
Lastly, some servers allow for a more relaxed playstyle, while others focus on survival and combat. One or the other may allow for mixpacking while the other does not. In the end it all boils down to using common sense, your own tastes and the rules you have to follow on each server.
Something that not a lot of people talk about is how mixed packing to a degree is seen in nature. Like there is that one breed of tarantula that keep little frogs around to help defend their eggs from airborn attackers.
As far as official servers go, I think mixed packing should be discouraged through soft game mechanics like the stress system (I assume, I haven't played POT). If you still want to mix pack on official servers I think it should be open to you just like it is in real life but you should have to deal with the natural struggles that comes with it. On community servers it should be up to the rules to decide.
The main problem is that mix packers like to Kill on sight any other player they come across. Playing with friends who Dino has different diets is fine until a herbivore is trying to help kill a player to feed their carni friends or when a herbivore gets hunted and a carni attacks the other carni to protect herbivore. That type of mix packing in my opinion is the worst. For solo players, you never know who’s mix packing and have to keep in mind for every hunt. Being a herbivore you can’t even trust other herbivores. And then people love to say “how the game allows it or just deal with how other people play or go play rule or community servers”. If that’s your response then your adding to the problem, you can’t tell people to except mix packers when said people can’t and won’t except the people who don’t like mix packers. The same way there’s emersion servers the same way there’s severs for fighting and mix packing. Plus in my experience, most mix packers suck at the game and have less fun because you can only mix pack as often as you have people to do it with.
Okay. I am okay with herbi and herbi mixpacking but i am not sure about carni and carni but I am not a fan of herbi and carni, but a lot of times it depends on what server is about (Realism, sandbox and stuff like that) the specie of dinos mixpacking (like some type of dinosaur that cleans the teeth of deinos or specific dinosaurs co-exsist peacefully n stuff) Server rules, Game modes in different servers, what the mixpackers are doing (Defending eachother, killing everything, etc) and the type of personality of the mixpacking players themselves (Like stegos that are mixpacking with deinos and they just kill anything in sight, or chill mixpackers)
personally I am fine with any same diet mixpacking, the problem I have is entirely with cross diet mixpacking just due to it making combat an absolute pain and not being logical in the first place.
I'm getting the feeling evrima is leaning toward balanced mix packing
Disclaimer first before anyone starts getting pissed at me here: you can play the game the way your heart desires all you want as long as you are on the appropriate server don't get pissed when a mixpack kills you on a no rules servers and don't mixpack on a server with rules if you complain that the server you're playing on doesn't match the way you want to play the game that's your own damn fault for choosing that server and you should just switch servers
with all that said i do think mixpacking is annoying when carnivores AND herbivores do it granted when you're just chilling and sharing food and stuff like that it's fine everyone involved is having fun but when you start hunting together, fighting together, scouting for eachother it becomes a problem for an example a rex may have trouble hunting a para because it's not fast enough and doesn't have enough stamina but if that rex partners up with a carno that can chase down and slow the para down for the rex with constant attacks and bleed the para has no way of surviving if they stop to fight then the rex catches up and kills them but if they keep moving and don't put their all into fighting off the carno then the carno could bleed them out or kill them themselves it's just unfair for the para because they have no options and pair that carnivore duo with a flier, another carno and/or other fast playable or just more players and the para can't even try to avoid a confrontation in the first place this problem gets even worse when players can simply choose to attack for fun and not self defense or food which is what to me makes mixpacking not just a problem when carnivores do it but herbivores as well there's nothing stopping an aggressive pachy from headbutting a rex and then running back to the herd to get them to mob the rex it's the same problem as growth you don't start out strong or fast enough to fight anything or to run but at least with that you have the assurance that when you grow these things wouldn't be a problem anymore
Herbivores practically can't live without a herd, and often will HAVE to resort to mix packing for the highest odds at survival. Carnivores on the other hand are entirely viable on their own or within single species groups. Though honestly, I'd prefer it if no animal had to mixpack to survive.
Also if they pair up with faster creatures such as carno and Rex then you can't do anything because that carno with out run u then Rex comes and gets u
Mixpacking with other herbis for a short time is okay I think. I saw a teno who got chased by 4 carnos. So I went to him with my stego and helped him a bit. And I helped him to drink after it.
But a mega heard is not the best idea, bc everyone needs other diets. A hypsj as a pet is funny but it feels wrong to move with pachys, tenos and other herbis for a long time 🤷 Idk
But I hate carni mixpacking. A wolf would never help a croc hunting!
In path of titans I just got my full grown Rex killed by mixpackers where I was killing a anky and another one comes I'm like that's fine but then a Rex and a metri come and kill me it's just annoying
I just lost a 100% Dilo in 5 seconds to a cerato carno mixpack on evrima. It’s really, really annoying, and im certain that I would have had even chances with either one of them by themselves or even two cerato or two carnos. Granted, I’d have run away from two ceratos or two carnos, but that wasn’t even an option with a mixpack like that.
i think herbi herbi is fine however carni carni is defiantly a no just because of how scummy it is.
I reckon similar species of herbivores mix-packing makes sense. Carnivores makes no sense at all
Path of Titans need to add kicks to some of the herbivores, carni's have a very easy time tail riding and I'm pretty sure some of the hadrosaurs had a mean kick
Short answer..yes
I think if it’s her is that’s ok and some things like pteranodon should be aloud to mic pack with her is because it’s almost like a symbiotic relationship
Mix packing is a game breaker. Evrima official servers are absolutely terrible for it. The game is dying due to no content, so custom servers with rules are rarely populated.
The ideal mixpacking would recreate what is seen in nature wherein different species will live side by side as protection. The strengths of one species aids the weakness of another. The problem is definitively when they behave in a way contrary to how animals behave naturally. Since this is an MMO it’s hard to expect people not to “cheat” the system by taking advantage of certain mechanics. The only real solution would be a server which requires adherence to certain guidelines but if there are none you can’t really tell someone not to use an advantage if they can find and use it
Well I love mixpacking, it's just so nice sitting as a ptera with some deinos and stegos. You just feel so peacfull, safe and nice. Being nice to people will make the expierance nicer for everyone (in my opinion). I really hate aggros and people who specifficly kill any mixpackers they see. They just havin fun, why you gotta kill em? Just walk away and mind your own buisness. And don't pull the "it's not realistic" argument. You can litearlly search up any kind of irl animal mixpacking friendship on the internet. Like humans with lions and tigers with goats or pigs. Remember that there's also a human behind those pixels on your screen, and it might be a 10 year old kid who just got their day ruined by you. I'm not telling you to stop killing in general, it's just my opinion :D
Idk I like what you said except that you think herbs and carni are equal is PoT herbs are definitely stronger in a lot of ways
It’s not bad if it’s a realistic approach like zebra and wildebeest or crocodiles and birds who protect there eggs
I’d love to see a video on how to have a balance ecosystem for all the dinosaur releases so how to make the game have a balanced ecosystem cause it is not a balanced ecosystem at all the way it is now
I just hate it when I'm minding my own business as a Deino, and a pack of terry's scouts me out so they can tell their cannibal deino and stego/carno buddies in discord to trap me and put six hours of growth to waste. Please just give me access to the ocean so I actually have a chance to escape after 2 hours straight of swimming away instead of a dead end.
how bout mix packing without people protecting the other species or a "panic" mechanic that forces you to run if a carnivore pounces near you
It depends for me. If it’s done in huge numbers regardless. It’s less great. But if it’s done in small or loosely it’s not. For example if a carni adopts a herb or the other way around. That’s fine. It two mega groups band together and start KOS, bad. If it’s two huge groups that hangout and rest together but maybe only one comes to the others defense? That’s fine. It’s when the odds or intention get way out of hand.
Like I’ve as a rex adopted a baby trike that was new to the isle. Showed it around and whatnot. Luckily no one else was really on to bother us. If there was I would have defended the trike while it was still very young.
But I’ve also been apart of huge groups as either a herb or a Utah and I would just hangout and relax. If I was the Utah in a herbivore group, I wouldn’t interfere in another carnivores hunt or go around mass killing everything with the herbivores.
In one scenario I didn’t interfere at all and in the other any half decent player stands a really good chance of snagging the baby.
To circumvent such dilemmas I favor realism servers that allow for a mild form of natural mix packing or honestly just adoption in this case. Where two species can play but not defend each other (or can but can’t mate or interact properly with their own because of imprint) or ones where adults can adopt (depending on species of adult) the baby for a limited time before either leaving or chasing them away. Since this naturally occurs.
I think carni-herbi mixing is bad when taken from the stance of how the game is meant to be played, which is to basically be in the mind and body of a dinosaur. And, in nature, while it CAN happen, it's seldom rare that a carni and herbi will defend each other. While there's those videos of lions, both males and females, seen protecting baby herbivorous species, it's exceedingly rare and circumstantial. But otherwise, you're never going to see a lion and a zebra teaming up to kick ass on the daily. You are, however, going to see dinos hanging in the same area for a variety of reasons, often due to there being a resource such as water, but they most certainly won't be defending each other.
Now mind you, I like to play this game on No Rules servers very casually with friends, so I am 100% okay with mix-packing in general. However, I do get why it's a big no-go as it creates an unrealistic imbalance to the game when herbis and carnis team up with one another.
On the other hand, even among herbivores there's limits on what should and can mingle together. Seeing as herbivores are much more open to cross-species herding in nature, but even then some species do NOT get along whatsoever.
But overall my stance is this: Is mixpacking overall bad? Not necessarily, depending entirely on the circumstance. Is it not ideal and creates poor game balance? Yes, 100%.
However, I myself and exceedingly neutral on mixpacking. Sometimes I do it, solely with friends or very chill people I meet, other times I will literally kill any species that isn't my own that comes too close to me unless it's a herbi-herbi situation which then becomes case-by-case.
Big thing is if you don't like mix-packing, simply go to servers that don't allow it and avoid places where it does happen rather than do what nearly every anti-mixer does and just throw a literal bitch-fit over a fucking dinosaur game. XD
mixpacking for me is an absolute game ruiner for me in POT. any time ive tried getting food as carnivore, i got attacked by multiple carnivores and herbivores, etc... it's really annoying.
Am i the only 1 who likes that after so many complaints, after so much hate and so much chaos has been spread around mixpacking, people still question if mixpacking is bad? Most people i have seen, usually complain about this issue. Yk how you fix this for both sides? Servers that allow it, servers that don’t. It’s a win win for both sides, plus the game still keeps both sides to play the game instead of kicking 1 side out.
yes mixpacking is uhh it depends due to some people playing accurate this is because dinosaurs have the same likings and not liking like us for example the elephant does not liked rhinos thats why we never seen rhino close to elephant even its an herbivore (this is due elephant being territorial) but some times people where okay of it cuz its just game so it depends on peolpe or you mixpacking
Based.
Mixpacking in the isle evrima is a huge problem, i was carno on the zoo and met a mixpacker that was mixpacking with stegos. Its cringy cause stegos can defend themselves, same with carnos.
Where its written that in the isle evrima you cannot mixpack?
Whether it is or isnt doesnt change the fact that it is still bad
Mix packing in my opinion is bad sportsmanship within this game, people can't help themselves but to defend their friend even if they are different species, its just in human nature. So its better off being of the same species to even the playing field for others, For both Carnivores and Herbivores.
But this rule really only applies with unofficial servers and should be the one and only rule reinforced besides maybe corpse guarding for herbivores. But for official servers all goes and unless they implement some exploitable side affect for mix packing there's not much that can be done about it. Even ever evolving diets wont really prevent it.