I have felt that the biggest regret of The Split for me as a Greg Moore fan is that he never raced at the Indy 500. His skills on an oval and his ability to pick his way through traffic was incredible. Watch the 1997 Milwaukee Mile race for proof.
Robin Miller made sure that we knew that Zanardi and Moore never ran Indy because Tony George was a greedy man. It's honestly the biggest what if in Racing.
During the split, Indy was a shell of its former glory, so it doesn't matter that Greg or Alessandro never drove it. Greg won the U.S. 500, which was a better race with much higher competition, anyway.
I was at that race, still have my ticket stub. Never forget that helicopter taking off heading towards Loma Linda. Was a very solemn post race walking to the car. I miss CART
@@scarlett.o CART went bankrupt in the early 2000s. Some of the team owners bought the assets and continued it as Champ Car. That lasted for a few seasons before they merged with the IRL to create the Indycar Series as we know it today.
Being a passionate F1 & Cart Fan early on, I clearly remember watching this race on Eurosport with my dad late at night as an 8-year old and this horrendous accident still deeply affects me today. I could not help but cry, unable to sleep, and even though you don't remember everything from your childhood, this incident has sadly been imprinted on my mind ever since.
I remember this day. I was going to go to this race but had a family commitment. That day was very windy with strong Santa Ana Winds. It is my opinion is that those winds may have contributed to the crash. Adrian Fernandez refused to give an interview following his win.
"Further resuscitative measures" that means he's dead and they're trying to bring him back. Broadcasters didn't seem to pick up on that. At least they didn't let on that they knew
I was at that race that day. With my older brother. We trained up from San Diego. We in the stands knew the accident was bad, very bad. I had been to enough races to know there was a difference. We had our headphones on listening to the drivers talk to their spotters, but obviously no mention of Greg Moore’s condition. We had great seats by the start/finish line and was excited by the close race as the championship was on the line, however, shortly after the checkered flag you could tell the typical post race celebration was not being set up at winner’s circle. Then they announced that Greg Moore has passed. Never been in the stands of so many of thousands of people and not a sound was heard. Incredibly heavy and sad. We had a very quiet and stunned walk out of the stand to the train on the other side of the track. I remember the silence of hundreds around us and just quiet whispers. He was extremely polite and very Canadian friendly. Tragic. Sad. And I shed some tears watching this video almost 21 years later.
I was there too. I was 10 years old, but I still remember it. One of my earliest memories. We came up with friends from Mission Viejo in south Orange County. I remember seeing people crying underneath the stands as we were leaving.
Commentators don’t usually say the word “god” during crashes. When Greg Moore crashed and Paul Page said “Oh my god”, it stood out immediately and my heart instantly sank.
I was a huge fan of Greg's as a kid growing up... I distinctly remember watching that race live, seeing that happen, knowing that he wasn't going to survive once they stopped showing the replay live... Cried for hours that day.
18:15 You could hear the emotion in Gary Gerould's voice. The man was on the verge of breaking down in tears. I don't know how he was able to pull himself together enough to do those interviews in the somber atmosphere they were in at the time, but he did it. Awesome job in such a sad moment for motorsports.
You are correct. The temptation was the purse, he wanted a piece of the action [one million dollars] he said in a pre-race interview. And that is not a shot at him, he loved racing and more money means more racing, just so you know where I'm coming from. It's cliche but he was a rising star. And a good person. Also drivers have won/and or collected points on days they shouldn't have raced. Doesn't make it right; just tempting.
His hand had nothing to do with the crash so it doesn’t matter. The car likely hit turbulence just like Richie Hearn a few laps before, except Greg’s car got light brushed the outside wall before hitting the inside retaining wall. That’s the price you pay for a low downforce, high speed car. It just floats in turbulence and you are just along for the ride.
@Dream12Chaser it is interesting though that his hand was numbed for the pain ... when you start to think of the force generated in the the steering wheel... you know that having a numb broken and sliced hand would certainly affect his ability to control the car. this accident was a series of events coming out with the worst possible outcome. he got loose in turn 2 fought it onto the straight away and then lost complete control the car. When it hit the access road he was at the perfect angle to catch the lip of the grass on the other side of the access road and that is what flipped the car resulting in death ... had he hit that at the proper angle he most likely would have still been badly injured at 154gs ... but to take it in the helmet ... dang vicious...
I might be a younger Indycar fan, (13 soon 14 years of age) but seeing the responses of people who saw or heard about Greg Moore death breaks my heart. I would've loved watching Greg Moore and others race. I had never even heard of Greg Moore until I looked up Indycar fatal crashes. Moore seemed like he had great potential, but was taken way too soon.
He seemed like just an ordinary guy living his dream. He was such a likable guy and extremely talented. I remember the pain I felt when my dad told me the news on the train. I was just 7 or 8 years old but this was the first time I could understand the severity of a wreck like that, and knowing he'd never race again. As a Canadian we were really proud of him and he was on the news quite often. He really was just getting started and it's a shame we'll never know what could've been.
He was Dan Wheldon, before Dan became an IndyCar driver. They both had that "I'm gonna try this dangerous move, not because I want to, but because I can and I'm letting you know I can" mentality. They don't make them like they used to. And Greg was also a Party Animal off the track
I always have very strong feelings of pride with drivers like Greg Moore and Gilles Villeneuve, Canada usually doesn't have the biggest presence in a lot of race series. So for me seeing a racing driver from Canada that I can feel proud of is very special. Unfortunately with Greg Moore and Gilles Villeneuve, they both never got the chance to reach their true potential.
I was there , was filming footage for a beer commercial with Fernandez. I was right next to Fernandez's pit most of that day filming his pitstops (I believe he pitted 5 times) and there when we heard over the radio that Greg had passed away everyone was shocked. . .so sad.
A bright future with Penske that we will never see.... This makes us wonder.... what if Greg Moore never got injured in a scooter accident? What if he had to sit out due to his injuries? What if Richie Hearn never crashed? (Okay that’s probably a bad question) So many questions with us race fans wondering to this day....
He probably would have still crashed. Ritchie Hearn crashed in the same spot and he had not broken bones. The Hanford Device was amazing for the draft, but when in the draft you are relying on only the down force the under side of the car generated because in the draft there is less air moving over the wings so if you lost it in the draft there was nothing you could do.
One thing is for certain: if Greg decided (or was forced to) sit this race out due to his injuries, he would most certainly have been a Penske driver from 2000 onwards and Helio Castroneves would never have had the career he built from that year on. Hogan Racing was closing down and he would've been without a drive for year 2000. Probably some other team would've come to the rescue, since he was a hot young talent looking for something bigger, but Penske would've been with Moore and Gil de Ferran for the 2000 season. It's a hell of an exercise in future studies, but Greg would've continued his awesome career, this time with a championship-winning team.
I don't understand those claiming his pre-race injury wasn't a component contributing to his wreck. I remember this clearly. Moore had lightning fast hands and everyone respected his talent on track. Seeing that huge adaptation to his steering wheel, and knowing the extent of his hand injury (Page mentioned many stitches w/considerable swelling), then they block all pain via entirely numbing his hand ... all this adds up to no good. This seems especially relevant since the incident happened in the first few laps. Had this occurred much later in the race, I wouldn't weigh those elements as heavily. However, since this happened in the first stint, not long after the drop of the green flag, ... certainly makes me question the choices made. That said, I fully understand. He was a racer.
It could have been, but we will never know. In 1996 at Michigan he had the same spin without a hand injury. Somehow his line out of turn 2 at Fontana and MIS always made up for the lack of power of his Mercedes engine. It showed because he was always the best of the Mercedes powered cars. He took this high line that made him fast.
@@johnmccallum2425 Good points... it's a shame we didn't get to enjoy more of his continued ascent upward into the upper echelons of the sport. Following fellow Canadian PT into Team Penske, I think he would've absolutely flourished through the 2000's... Back then during the split, IndyCar took major blow after major blow, including great young talent leaving the sport... either in a backboard or into the riches of Nascar. IndyCar today, as healthy as it is, is still diminished due to those tumultuous years. 60's, 70's, 80's and into the 90's, IndyCar was MAMMOTH... that tidal wave of energy left open wheel and flowed directly into Nascar... and Cup absolutely exploded in growth.
It probably wasn't a factor, since Richie Hearn spun out at the exact spot and onto the same grass, and he was fine. The difference was the paved path in the grass was depressed a few inches in the ground. Richie's wheels rolled over it, so no effect. Greg's car hit it at a perpendicular angle, so the wheels snagged the raised earth after crossing, which launched the car airborne.
It’s such a shame, racing would have had a much bigger footprint in North America if Greg didn’t pass away he would have inspired so many young kids to get into racing.
I'm not sure if statistics back this up, but the 1990s seems like the most violent decade in recent memory of motorsports, a lot of highly publicized deaths in all displines of motorsports. multiple F1 drivers, Multiple indy style racers, multiple nascar style racers...
Nah. Every decade in mororsports has been safer than the later. The 60s, 70s and 80s in F1 and IndyCar had drivers burned to death and killed in horrific ways almost every year. The late 90s and early 2000 was kinda bad for IndyCars but not worse than the early 70s
Multiple F1? Just two, Senna and Ratzenberger, on a cursed weekend, F1 safety has always been light years ahead than American series, and of course driving a formula car on an oval is just suicide to me
@@blacktoothfox677 Same Moore had lightning fast hands and everyone respected his talent on track. Seeing that adaptation to his steering wheel, and knowing the extent of his hand injury (Page mentioned many stitches w/considerable swelling), then they block all pain via entirely numbing his hand ... all this adds up to no good. All this seems especially relevant being in the first few laps. Had this occurred midway thru the race, I wouldn't weigh those elements as heavily. However, since this happened in the first stint, certainly makes me question those choices.
@@FOH3663 makes you wonder how often the Racing Gods have smiled on their children - how many times have they 'just' got away with it. I will never forget seeing Kimi Raikkenen come out of Eau Rouge at full pelt, and into thick full-track smoke without lifting in an F1 qualifying sesh. Made me so tense it took a week for my asshole to come undone. That was some brave - but stupid - driving. This is likely Kimi's last year in F1, so if you get the chance, give the old boy your support. Best regards from the UK
And Indycar hasn't been back to Fontana since that wild pack race back in 2015. Low downforce set-up's, wheel to wheel every lap. Probably the most exciting race in Indycar history. But driver comments after especially Will Power's felt like their lives were being put at risk. Don't think we'll see super-speedwaytracks like Fontana (Even though Penske owns & built it for CART) an Michigan, or even Pocono on the schedule any longer. Even Texas has been tamed down with the recent revamp. Driver safety since the tragedies of Justin Wilson & Robert Wickens have been put to the forefront which is great. These tracks do put on the best show for the fans, but I think w/more international fan interest & safety comparisons to F1 Indycar is going in a different direction.
Growing up in a race crazy family in Canada it was a huge deal to have a fellow canuck my age do so well in racing. Now that I'm well into my 40s and have a kid the same age as Greg was when he died it really hits home.
The response from the guy kicking car perts says it all he knew right there Greg had passed. I’ve seen enough of these accidents to tell whrn Marshall’s ant doing much there’s no good outcome.
I saw it live, and truly the worst accident I have ever seen. The race should have been stopped. They flew the flags at half mast during the race and I remember the drivers saying they knew something was wrong when they saw it.
When I was 12 my dad got my brother and i into the pits to meet the drivers. I remember meeting g Greg Moore, he was one of the nicest drivers I got to meet and took time to sign my hat. Made my month, I wore that hat to schools and bragged to all my friends that a raceway driver signed it.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but the guy previous to Moore crashed in the exact same fashion.. he just got lucky and the wheels didn’t catch flipping him cockpit first into the barrier, but this makes me think something was up with that turn, 2 drivers spinning out almost back to back in the same spot and sending them the same direction and everything. To much of a coincidence
The wall didn’t kill him it was the rebound of the inverted car hard into the ground. The wall shouldnt have been concrete but that didn’t kill him. So sad that he had to die cause of the lack of safety
I was at the race and saw most of the fatal accident. Ritchie Hearn had spun out earlier at the same place and his tires did not dig into the grass or the access road. I knew immediately that Greg did not survive. I was shaky for hours after that. It's still tough to watch.
Eu não entendo como, depois de um acidente deste, ainda mantiveram a corrida... O cara morreu na pista, todos viram, e mesmo assim mantiveram... é desumano... já tinha acontecido em Ímola com Senna... Era para ser encerrada e retomada em outra data...
23 years later, And Halloween still is a hard pill to swallow for me and many others. And Sadly, today I found out there is an Image of Greg's lifeless body being airlifted to Loma Linda. It just sucks the life out of you, seeing someone who was so ballsy and brave on the track, look helpless and defeated. I like to believe Greg still lives on, just as a spirit who tells all these young drivers "Hey There's a gap, go for it, you'll be fine!" We miss you so much Greg, you're never gonna be forgotten by the fans who learn about you later on, or the fans who saw you live, you'll always be apart of our lives.
I'm an old codger and I've seen a lot of truly tragic events. In a lot of these cases there a series of events before the tragic moment where a different decision would have a lead to a different outcome. I call these, what if moments . Life is so fragile. 🙏
I wonder if there was any oil or debris on the track because two drivers back to back came out of that corner and into the same wall. If you look their tires skid marks almost line up and they close to the same area of the same wall. Even during the first accident the announcer remarks that its very strange that the car lost traction that far out of the corner with the amount of the understeer built into these cars. The other announcer remarks that these types of track similar to Michigan have a sort of turbulence. Very strange he was hit by a car the day before breaking his hand when hit by a distracted driver, which should've been a sign to maybe back out of the race. But this man was a warrior and wasn't going to give up that easy and ended up diving which happened to be on October, 31st, Halloween, also known as The Day Of The Dead. Almost like there was some bad juju in the air that day. Man, such an amazing person to lose so early in his career. Would've loved to see what he could've became. but he will always be a legend in my mind. Rip Greg Moore
I'm having a lot of trouble finding any recent info about the hanford device whatsoever. When did they stop using them? Were they considered a success in keeping the cars out of big packs or were they disliked? Would it even be physically possible to use the design on a current indycar? Is the hanford device the cause of all this downforce and turbulence talk the commentary was talking about throughout? If the biggest issue with oval racing in open wheel cars is huge packs of cars two, three and four wide racing for laps on end, wouldn't something similar to the device make drafting and riding in a line much more important, making it so you can't run side by side for long without losing speed and falling back? Couldn't this idea make oval racing in these cars safe again enough at least on a track luke michigan with lots of space? Or is there something huge I'm missing?
I know that this race and the incidents that occurred are a long time ago, but, the mention of reduced downforce has cropped up a few times, and the adverse way it has affected the cars and drivers, surly any adverse way downforce is reduced is a really really bad idea, as was proven twice in this race, one with fatal consequences, I really don’t understand why the race Organization makes decisions that affect driver safety so easily and knowing that the cars are already on the limit. I really don’t think that Greg Moore should have been allowed to race with the injuries he was carrying, whether or not they played a part in his death or not, his control of the car would have been affected, I hope that the rules and regulations have changed for the better and his death was not in vain, if not his death was just a waste. 😔👍🇬🇧🏴
He was my favorite Champ Car driver. Absolutely tragic loss of a great guy. I remember hearing about his death and was heartbroken. Sad loss of a young promising life.
im in racing for over 30 years now, in broadcast, behind the pitwalls for interviews and tv, as a marshall and even a few times as a driver too. this will never be easier. it dosent matter how many times you watch a crash like this. its will never get easier to try somehow to get the show going. the silence around a racetrack.. its never a good sign. and after such sad moments, this silence is so heavy and loud.
I was working at Pit In that day for the race, but prior to "Drivers In", I spoke very briefly with Greg and that smile was there in spades, he was ready to race. Just prior to the announcement over the radio net, the flags at start/finish were lowered to half staff, though many didn't notice until the end of the race. While we continued to do our jobs during the race, at the checkered there were tears up and down the lane. I would work with CART/Champ Car for another four years and I still love Champ car racing, but some of the magic was lost that day.
The same corner as the first wreck? crazy about most of these fatal wrecks have weird omens before? Dan wheldon the camera was on his onboard when crashed happens? Arton senna friend dies a day before his wreck roland ratzenberger almost the same way?
I was at the race and remember telling my brother, look they lowered the flags, Moore is dead... it was a mix of feelings on this race, Adrian winning the race, Montoya winning the champ and the passing of Greg.
As a Little Al fan, i still hate micheal andretti, anyone who drove those ugly target ganassi cars and jacguquuesuess villenueveoovevveouuouveand dario franchitti. Mark Blundell and Gil de Ferran are cool tho. And Scott Pruett. Greg Moore would have been a fucking goat and i saw him win a race and my dad fucking loved it that day.
Watched qualifying the day before but missed the part about Greg and didn’t see him, family spent the weekend with friends and were travelling home while the race was happening. As a 10 year old fan from the same hometown this was very very hard to take, had just gotten to meet him for an autograph session during the Molson Indy Vancouver just a month prior. Greg was everything people said about him and more, stayed late to sign autographs and talk to his fans. That alone would make me a fan, but what he could do in these crazy cars was spectacular. Still miss you Greg, red gloves rule and see you up front
I was watching this race live, had met Greg in person prior too and literally screamed when this happened...1999 my roommate came running out asking what was wrong!
These cars have HALF the downforce that they had two years prior to this race. Same thing happened in the 2013 Indy 500 when regulations drastically reduced downforce. That is just stupid.
The doctor who gave permission to Greg Moore (with a wrist in a cast) to participate in the race should have been removed from the medical profession. Period.
A very well done and put together video of a Great driver. I Always believed that at some point he would eventually won the Indianapolis 500 and many championships to come in his future. Greg Moore was just that good. So sad 😞 he left this world too soon.
Ironically Hearn did almost the exact same thing in the same spot only slower just before sadly Moore did. Never forget watching that day. Was such a huge loss
Only crash that is worse then this one is Gordon Smiley's.these 2 crashes are the worst in motorsports,I doubt he felt anything,I remember when this happened.man its hard to watch
The footage that I believe is ESPN Brazil footage tells the entire story. It appeared Greg was coming out of his car after the car hit the wall (At least that's what it looked like to me). I wonder if something was up with Greg's seat. However, CPR being performed at the track... That just... 💔
How the fuck he was cleared to race by the doctors ..... i m brazilian , physician , surgeon , urologist , ...... was 23 yrs old those days......by the way , 1999 was my graduation........ 21 yrs later all i can say is ......he wasn t supposed to race that day......a young and talented race driver was lost .....what a fuckin shame on you doctors.....
cannot finish watching this broadcast. i am a f1 fan and watched so many record of crashes including the one that killed ayrton. the reason i tuned into indy car crashes is that i am reading dr. olvey's book (after i already completed prof. watkin's months ago!) the commentators in the US just sound so much like a bunch of clueless, heartless, apathetic buffoons! and the chassis of indy cars, compared to f1, looked like made of plastic! after watching the docu "life on the limit" which starts with 1996 australian gp where martin brundle literally jogged away from his horrific crash at the opening lap, i find it hard to take the fact indy car would break into pieces like this in 1999. sad.
I'm so glad that I wasn't watching this race live. All these years later, that exchange between Gerould and Olvey ("This is a life threatening situation?" "Yes, it is.") chills me to the bone.
The organizers will never admit that Greg shouldn't have run that day, that his injured hand didn't let him react well, that's why he had that accident, they won't admit it, but Greg would be alive if he hadn't run that day..I was watching that race...was so sad and shocking
Since I know Greg passed on October 31, I always remember him on my birthday, he was one of the best drivers who we could never witness unfolding his full potential
I was 13 years old and there that day sitting in the turn 4 grandstands. I remember the screen like you mentioned only showed the live accident when it first happened and a replay that was brief that didn’t show everything. I had a scanner on the ESPN frequency that day and you would hear the conversations between paul page, Parker johnstone, and the producer of the show during commercial breaks. They were holding back tears almost every commercial break. You could also hear conversations very early on by the producer that a Tribute video was already being created. It was shocking for me at the time as that was the first race that had tragedy that I was personally at. I remember people nearby us in the stands didn’t have scanners so they would ask what we were hearing from the booth when they would talk during commercials. Such a tragic day.
Notice that Richie Hearn escaped and skidded in the same place where Greg Moore suffered his accident. Was there something odd about that particular section of the track? Some oil spilled by another car or something?
Greg just happened to hit the paved exit road at an angle where the cockpit was tipped directly towards that concrete barrier. Incredibly unlucky. RIP Greg
They should’ve left the downforce in these cars! They took all the stability out and they were so hard to keep under control! I blame the governing body for making these car’s unsafe! They should’ve been charged with contributing to Gregg Moore’s death! It seems to me that nothing was ever done or said about that! So sad! A good driver gone just like that! No warning, so fast! So cruel!
I have felt that the biggest regret of The Split for me as a Greg Moore fan is that he never raced at the Indy 500. His skills on an oval and his ability to pick his way through traffic was incredible. Watch the 1997 Milwaukee Mile race for proof.
Robin Miller made sure that we knew that Zanardi and Moore never ran Indy because Tony George was a greedy man. It's honestly the biggest what if in Racing.
Yes sr,yes sr,yes Sr! You're ABSOLUTELY RIGHT
During the split, Indy was a shell of its former glory, so it doesn't matter that Greg or Alessandro never drove it.
Greg won the U.S. 500, which was a better race with much higher competition, anyway.
I was at that race, still have my ticket stub. Never forget that helicopter taking off heading towards Loma Linda. Was a very solemn post race walking to the car. I miss CART
What happened to CART
@@scarlett.o CART went bankrupt in the early 2000s. Some of the team owners bought the assets and continued it as Champ Car. That lasted for a few seasons before they merged with the IRL to create the Indycar Series as we know it today.
Being a passionate F1 & Cart Fan early on, I clearly remember watching this race on Eurosport with my dad late at night as an 8-year old and this horrendous accident still deeply affects me today. I could not help but cry, unable to sleep, and even though you don't remember everything from your childhood, this incident has sadly been imprinted on my mind ever since.
27 drivers started the race, 26 drivers came home following the race. One of the saddest races I ever seen. Greg Moore is missed.
I remember this day. I was going to go to this race but had a family commitment. That day was very windy with strong Santa Ana Winds. It is my opinion is that those winds may have contributed to the crash. Adrian Fernandez refused to give an interview following his win.
he won race when jeff krosoff was killed too
@@anthonywebber8152 But unlike this race, Adrian was interviewed after the race for the Canadian Audience.
Moral of the story: Don't let the announcers mention the Hansford device. They mention it and someone crashes into that wall, twice.
"Further resuscitative measures" that means he's dead and they're trying to bring him back. Broadcasters didn't seem to pick up on that. At least they didn't let on that they knew
I was at that race that day. With my older brother. We trained up from San Diego. We in the stands knew the accident was bad, very bad. I had been to enough races to know there was a difference. We had our headphones on listening to the drivers talk to their spotters, but obviously no mention of Greg Moore’s condition. We had great seats by the start/finish line and was excited by the close race as the championship was on the line, however, shortly after the checkered flag you could tell the typical post race celebration was not being set up at winner’s circle. Then they announced that Greg Moore has passed. Never been in the stands of so many of thousands of people and not a sound was heard. Incredibly heavy and sad. We had a very quiet and stunned walk out of the stand to the train on the other side of the track. I remember the silence of hundreds around us and just quiet whispers. He was extremely polite and very Canadian friendly. Tragic. Sad. And I shed some tears watching this video almost 21 years later.
Thanks for sharing. You set an eerie stage. Sorry you and so many others had to see that. Sad to this day but it helps to remember Greg Moore.
You told that beautifully. Thanks for that - Hope you and yours are happy & well in these tough times
I was there as well. Lost all enthusiasm of being at a race when they announced it. I actually got up and left. Didn’t even want to be there anymore.
I was there too. Being a 6 year old kid, I didn't realize how bad it was until my dad explained to me what had occured when it was announced.
I was there too. I was 10 years old, but I still remember it. One of my earliest memories. We came up with friends from Mission Viejo in south Orange County. I remember seeing people crying underneath the stands as we were leaving.
Commentators don’t usually say the word “god” during crashes. When Greg Moore crashed and Paul Page said “Oh my god”, it stood out immediately and my heart instantly sank.
1999 season was unbelievably tragic, I lost two of my favorites at the end of the season, Gonchi and Greg. I will always remember them both.
Klas Eronen I’m sorry to hear, man😔
Me too ("lost two of my favorites at the end of the season, Gonchi and Greg). Today in 2020, I play the simulator rFactor as Greg Moore. Regards
I was a huge fan of Greg's as a kid growing up... I distinctly remember watching that race live, seeing that happen, knowing that he wasn't going to survive once they stopped showing the replay live... Cried for hours that day.
Who was Gonchi?
@@seesaw41 Gonzalo Rodriguez, he died in a crash at Laguna Seca that year
18:15 You could hear the emotion in Gary Gerould's voice. The man was on the verge of breaking down in tears. I don't know how he was able to pull himself together enough to do those interviews in the somber atmosphere they were in at the time, but he did it. Awesome job in such a sad moment for motorsports.
He shouldn't have raced.
I know it's pointless to point that out 20 years later, but I feel it has to be said.
You are correct. The temptation was the purse, he wanted a piece of the action [one million dollars] he said in a pre-race interview. And that is not a shot at him, he loved racing and more money means more racing, just so you know where I'm coming from. It's cliche but he was a rising star. And a good person. Also drivers have won/and or collected points on days they shouldn't have raced. Doesn't make it right; just tempting.
I was there working with another team and I agree with you.
His hand had nothing to do with the crash so it doesn’t matter. The car likely hit turbulence just like Richie Hearn a few laps before, except Greg’s car got light brushed the outside wall before hitting the inside retaining wall. That’s the price you pay for a low downforce, high speed car. It just floats in turbulence and you are just along for the ride.
one mill is a lot of money and it was a lot more back then.
@Dream12Chaser it is interesting though that his hand was numbed for the pain ... when you start to think of the force generated in the the steering wheel... you know that having a numb broken and sliced hand would certainly affect his ability to control the car. this accident was a series of events coming out with the worst possible outcome. he got loose in turn 2 fought it onto the straight away and then lost complete control the car. When it hit the access road he was at the perfect angle to catch the lip of the grass on the other side of the access road and that is what flipped the car resulting in death ... had he hit that at the proper angle he most likely would have still been badly injured at 154gs ... but to take it in the helmet ... dang vicious...
I might be a younger Indycar fan, (13 soon 14 years of age) but seeing the responses of people who saw or heard about Greg Moore death breaks my heart. I would've loved watching Greg Moore and others race. I had never even heard of Greg Moore until I looked up Indycar fatal crashes. Moore seemed like he had great potential, but was taken way too soon.
He seemed like just an ordinary guy living his dream. He was such a likable guy and extremely talented. I remember the pain I felt when my dad told me the news on the train. I was just 7 or 8 years old but this was the first time I could understand the severity of a wreck like that, and knowing he'd never race again.
As a Canadian we were really proud of him and he was on the news quite often. He really was just getting started and it's a shame we'll never know what could've been.
He was one of our hero’s. I was 15 and just began winning in karting out of Vancouver. We renamed our race track after him. A local and national hero.
He was Dan Wheldon, before Dan became an IndyCar driver. They both had that "I'm gonna try this dangerous move, not because I want to, but because I can and I'm letting you know I can" mentality. They don't make them like they used to. And Greg was also a Party Animal off the track
I always have very strong feelings of pride with drivers like Greg Moore and Gilles Villeneuve, Canada usually doesn't have the biggest presence in a lot of race series. So for me seeing a racing driver from Canada that I can feel proud of is very special. Unfortunately with Greg Moore and Gilles Villeneuve, they both never got the chance to reach their true potential.
I was there , was filming footage for a beer commercial with Fernandez. I was right next to Fernandez's pit most of that day filming his pitstops (I believe he pitted 5 times) and there when we heard over the radio that Greg had passed away everyone was shocked. . .so sad.
A bright future with Penske that we will never see....
This makes us wonder.... what if Greg Moore never got injured in a scooter accident? What if he had to sit out due to his injuries? What if Richie Hearn never crashed? (Okay that’s probably a bad question)
So many questions with us race fans wondering to this day....
He probably would have still crashed. Ritchie Hearn crashed in the same spot and he had not broken bones. The Hanford Device was amazing for the draft, but when in the draft you are relying on only the down force the under side of the car generated because in the draft there is less air moving over the wings so if you lost it in the draft there was nothing you could do.
General Obi Wan Kenobi very unfortunate that the accident happened
One thing is for certain: if Greg decided (or was forced to) sit this race out due to his injuries, he would most certainly have been a Penske driver from 2000 onwards and Helio Castroneves would never have had the career he built from that year on. Hogan Racing was closing down and he would've been without a drive for year 2000. Probably some other team would've come to the rescue, since he was a hot young talent looking for something bigger, but Penske would've been with Moore and Gil de Ferran for the 2000 season. It's a hell of an exercise in future studies, but Greg would've continued his awesome career, this time with a championship-winning team.
@@victorleoncio1079 the “what if’s” are endless. But that’s an interesting take
Helio is a 4 time Indy Champion in part to Gregs passing. He wouldve won 1 I think still but never 4
He didn't have a broken finger, he had a broken HAND.
I don't understand those claiming his pre-race injury wasn't a component contributing to his wreck.
I remember this clearly.
Moore had lightning fast hands and everyone respected his talent on track. Seeing that huge adaptation to his steering wheel, and knowing the extent of his hand injury (Page mentioned many stitches w/considerable swelling), then they block all pain via entirely numbing his hand ... all this adds up to no good.
This seems especially relevant since the incident happened in the first few laps. Had this occurred much later in the race, I wouldn't weigh those elements as heavily. However, since this happened in the first stint, not long after the drop of the green flag, ... certainly makes me question the choices made.
That said, I fully understand.
He was a racer.
It could have been, but we will never know. In 1996 at Michigan he had the same spin without a hand injury. Somehow his line out of turn 2 at Fontana and MIS always made up for the lack of power of his Mercedes engine. It showed because he was always the best of the Mercedes powered cars. He took this high line that made him fast.
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Good points... it's a shame we didn't get to enjoy more of his continued ascent upward into the upper echelons of the sport.
Following fellow Canadian PT into Team Penske, I think he would've absolutely flourished through the 2000's...
Back then during the split, IndyCar took major blow after major blow, including great young talent leaving the sport... either in a backboard or into the riches of Nascar.
IndyCar today, as healthy as it is, is still diminished due to those tumultuous years.
60's, 70's, 80's and into the 90's, IndyCar was MAMMOTH... that tidal wave of energy left open wheel and flowed directly into Nascar... and Cup absolutely exploded in growth.
I think he caught some turbulence off turn 2 and wasn't able to correct because of his injury. So damn sad.
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You're right, sad.
CART was so big, so fast on the big tracks ... exciting stuff.
It probably wasn't a factor, since Richie Hearn spun out at the exact spot and onto the same grass, and he was fine.
The difference was the paved path in the grass was depressed a few inches in the ground. Richie's wheels rolled over it, so no effect.
Greg's car hit it at a perpendicular angle, so the wheels snagged the raised earth after crossing, which launched the car airborne.
It’s such a shame, racing would have had a much bigger footprint in North America if Greg didn’t pass away he would have inspired so many young kids to get into racing.
Still get choked up re visiting that day.
Same. He was a real role model growing up for me.
I was 11 years old watching this and cried on my grandma bc he was my favorite
Ugh, when Gary Gerould is about to talk to Juan, his voice just crushes me.
I'm not sure if statistics back this up, but the 1990s seems like the most violent decade in recent memory of motorsports, a lot of highly publicized deaths in all displines of motorsports. multiple F1 drivers, Multiple indy style racers, multiple nascar style racers...
Drag racing as well if I'm not wrong
You might as well include the early 2000’s into that category as well
Nah.
Every decade in mororsports has been safer than the later.
The 60s, 70s and 80s in F1 and IndyCar had drivers burned to death and killed in horrific ways almost every year.
The late 90s and early 2000 was kinda bad for IndyCars but not worse than the early 70s
Multiple F1? Just two, Senna and Ratzenberger, on a cursed weekend, F1 safety has always been light years ahead than American series, and of course driving a formula car on an oval is just suicide to me
Wow I've never seen this pre race footage of the modded wheel and interview.
it actually made me feel a bit sick watching that. I'm not pinning any blame; when a racer wants to race.... but man, ugh.
RIP, Greg.
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Same
Moore had lightning fast hands and everyone respected his talent on track. Seeing that adaptation to his steering wheel, and knowing the extent of his hand injury (Page mentioned many stitches w/considerable swelling), then they block all pain via entirely numbing his hand ... all this adds up to no good.
All this seems especially relevant being in the first few laps. Had this occurred midway thru the race, I wouldn't weigh those elements as heavily. However, since this happened in the first stint, certainly makes me question those choices.
@@FOH3663 makes you wonder how often the Racing Gods have smiled on their children - how many times have they 'just' got away with it. I will never forget seeing Kimi Raikkenen come out of Eau Rouge at full pelt, and into thick full-track smoke without lifting in an F1 qualifying sesh.
Made me so tense it took a week for my asshole to come undone. That was some brave - but stupid - driving. This is likely Kimi's last year in F1, so if you get the chance, give the old boy your support.
Best regards from the UK
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Big Kimi fan here
And Indycar hasn't been back to Fontana since that wild pack race back in 2015. Low downforce set-up's, wheel to wheel every lap. Probably the most exciting race in Indycar history. But driver comments after especially Will Power's felt like their lives were being put at risk. Don't think we'll see super-speedwaytracks like Fontana (Even though Penske owns & built it for CART) an Michigan, or even Pocono on the schedule any longer. Even Texas has been tamed down with the recent revamp. Driver safety since the tragedies of Justin Wilson & Robert Wickens have been put to the forefront which is great. These tracks do put on the best show for the fans, but I think w/more international fan interest & safety comparisons to F1 Indycar is going in a different direction.
*High-Downforce aero kits (not low) resulted in that crazy pack race in 15'
Fontana will be turned into a short track in 2022, so no more IndyCars racing there.
"What are we doing?" Will Power after Fontana 15
Greg Moore, died before his potential. I'm starting to water up.
Growing up in a race crazy family in Canada it was a huge deal to have a fellow canuck my age do so well in racing. Now that I'm well into my 40s and have a kid the same age as Greg was when he died it really hits home.
23 years ago today , RIP Greg , you will never be forgotten 😢
The response from the guy kicking car perts says it all he knew right there Greg had passed. I’ve seen enough of these accidents to tell whrn Marshall’s ant doing much there’s no good outcome.
I saw it live, and truly the worst accident I have ever seen. The race should have been stopped. They flew the flags at half mast during the race and I remember the drivers saying they knew something was wrong when they saw it.
I'm a 40 hear old man and this still makes me cry. It felt like a piece of cart when he did.
This was the very first live race I ever went to. As a senior in high school at the time, the announcement over the PA is still fresh in my mind.
When I was 12 my dad got my brother and i into the pits to meet the drivers. I remember meeting g Greg Moore, he was one of the nicest drivers I got to meet and took time to sign my hat. Made my month, I wore that hat to schools and bragged to all my friends that a raceway driver signed it.
I've always wanted to see Greg's crash from the second replay angle they showed Richie's crash from
Correct me if I’m wrong, but the guy previous to Moore crashed in the exact same fashion.. he just got lucky and the wheels didn’t catch flipping him cockpit first into the barrier, but this makes me think something was up with that turn, 2 drivers spinning out almost back to back in the same spot and sending them the same direction and everything. To much of a coincidence
Pasaron tantos años y lo recuerdo como si fuera hoy
35:10 is, in hindsight, a beautiful look forward in the midst of a time of sorrow. James Hinchcliffe delivered on that statement.
Idk a whole lot about open wheel racing, my experience with Hinchcliffe is from interviews and podcasts. The guy seems like a true class act.
boy those concrete walls..... sick really sick
The wall didn’t kill him it was the rebound of the inverted car hard into the ground. The wall shouldnt have been concrete but that didn’t kill him. So sad that he had to die cause of the lack of safety
I was at the race and saw most of the fatal accident. Ritchie Hearn had spun out earlier at the same place and his tires did not dig into the grass or the access road. I knew immediately that Greg did not survive. I was shaky for hours after that. It's still tough to watch.
Ritchie entered the grass at a completely different angle.
Eu não entendo como, depois de um acidente deste, ainda mantiveram a corrida... O cara morreu na pista, todos viram, e mesmo assim mantiveram... é desumano... já tinha acontecido em Ímola com Senna...
Era para ser encerrada e retomada em outra data...
23 years later, And Halloween still is a hard pill to swallow for me and many others. And Sadly, today I found out there is an Image of Greg's lifeless body being airlifted to Loma Linda. It just sucks the life out of you, seeing someone who was so ballsy and brave on the track, look helpless and defeated.
I like to believe Greg still lives on, just as a spirit who tells all these young drivers "Hey There's a gap, go for it, you'll be fine!"
We miss you so much Greg, you're never gonna be forgotten by the fans who learn about you later on, or the fans who saw you live, you'll always be apart of our lives.
I'm an old codger and I've seen a lot of truly tragic events. In a lot of these cases there a series of events before the tragic moment where a different decision would have a lead to a different outcome. I call these, what if moments . Life is so fragile. 🙏
There was no surviving this type of crash, just none.
I saw that crash when I was a little kid made me sick to my stomach
I wonder if there was any oil or debris on the track because two drivers back to back came out of that corner and into the same wall. If you look their tires skid marks almost line up and they close to the same area of the same wall. Even during the first accident the announcer remarks that its very strange that the car lost traction that far out of the corner with the amount of the understeer built into these cars. The other announcer remarks that these types of track similar to Michigan have a sort of turbulence.
Very strange he was hit by a car the day before breaking his hand when hit by a distracted driver, which should've been a sign to maybe back out of the race. But this man was a warrior and wasn't going to give up that easy and ended up diving which happened to be on October, 31st, Halloween, also known as The Day Of The Dead. Almost like there was some bad juju in the air that day.
Man, such an amazing person to lose so early in his career. Would've loved to see what he could've became. but he will always be a legend in my mind. Rip Greg Moore
Can remember sitting up watching it live in Australia as I followed Greg , my heart sunk straight away RiP taken too young
Dark day for racing! Greg was a fine driver. I met him when they came to Houston. He was friendly and easy to talk to! He is still missed even today!
I think Greg and Richie's wrecks is what made Auto Club speedway pave the backstretch
I'm having a lot of trouble finding any recent info about the hanford device whatsoever. When did they stop using them? Were they considered a success in keeping the cars out of big packs or were they disliked? Would it even be physically possible to use the design on a current indycar? Is the hanford device the cause of all this downforce and turbulence talk the commentary was talking about throughout? If the biggest issue with oval racing in open wheel cars is huge packs of cars two, three and four wide racing for laps on end, wouldn't something similar to the device make drafting and riding in a line much more important, making it so you can't run side by side for long without losing speed and falling back? Couldn't this idea make oval racing in these cars safe again enough at least on a track luke michigan with lots of space? Or is there something huge I'm missing?
I know that this race and the incidents that occurred are a long time ago, but, the mention of reduced downforce has cropped up a few times, and the adverse way it has affected the cars and drivers, surly any adverse way downforce is reduced is a really really bad idea, as was proven twice in this race, one with fatal consequences, I really don’t understand why the race Organization makes decisions that affect driver safety so easily and knowing that the cars are already on the limit. I really don’t think that Greg Moore should have been allowed to race with the injuries he was carrying, whether or not they played a part in his death or not, his control of the car would have been affected, I hope that the rules and regulations have changed for the better and his death was not in vain, if not his death was just a waste. 😔👍🇬🇧🏴
He was my favorite Champ Car driver. Absolutely tragic loss of a great guy. I remember hearing about his death and was heartbroken. Sad loss of a young promising life.
im in racing for over 30 years now, in broadcast, behind the pitwalls for interviews and tv, as a marshall and even a few times as a driver too. this will never be easier. it dosent matter how many times you watch a crash like this. its will never get easier to try somehow to get the show going. the silence around a racetrack.. its never a good sign. and after such sad moments, this silence is so heavy and loud.
If Greg Went To Penske He Could've Been The One Penske Would Put in The #77 Mobil 1 Dodge Charger (2008-10)
Last race for team thought he owed them should never have raced
I was working at Pit In that day for the race, but prior to "Drivers In", I spoke very briefly with Greg and that smile was there in spades, he was ready to race. Just prior to the announcement over the radio net, the flags at start/finish were lowered to half staff, though many didn't notice until the end of the race. While we continued to do our jobs during the race, at the checkered there were tears up and down the lane. I would work with CART/Champ Car for another four years and I still love Champ car racing, but some of the magic was lost that day.
I miss Greg and CART.
The same corner as the first wreck? crazy about most of these fatal wrecks have weird omens before? Dan wheldon the camera was on his onboard when crashed happens? Arton senna friend dies a day before his wreck roland ratzenberger almost the same way?
What does red gloves rules mean?
Greg Moore wore red gloves throughout his career. After this event, his friend Max Papis decided to adopt the red gloves in memory of Moore.
I was at the race and remember telling my brother, look they lowered the flags, Moore is dead... it was a mix of feelings on this race, Adrian winning the race, Montoya winning the champ and the passing of Greg.
Loving how they were so proud of that build they made for his injured hand. Like it was ever gonna work. And poor Greg believed it was to work.
As a Little Al fan, i still hate micheal andretti, anyone who drove those ugly target ganassi cars and jacguquuesuess villenueveoovevveouuouveand dario franchitti. Mark Blundell and Gil de Ferran are cool tho. And Scott Pruett. Greg Moore would have been a fucking goat and i saw him win a race and my dad fucking loved it that day.
This was the time were CART is Struggling, NASCAR was gaining in popularity, and the IRL was gaining fans.
Watched qualifying the day before but missed the part about Greg and didn’t see him, family spent the weekend with friends and were travelling home while the race was happening. As a 10 year old fan from the same hometown this was very very hard to take, had just gotten to meet him for an autograph session during the Molson Indy Vancouver just a month prior. Greg was everything people said about him and more, stayed late to sign autographs and talk to his fans. That alone would make me a fan, but what he could do in these crazy cars was spectacular. Still miss you Greg, red gloves rule and see you up front
I was watching this race live, had met Greg in person prior too and literally screamed when this happened...1999 my roommate came running out asking what was wrong!
These cars have HALF the downforce that they had two years prior to this race.
Same thing happened in the 2013 Indy 500 when regulations drastically reduced downforce.
That is just stupid.
If they only would of had concrete instead of grass on the in field , Greg would have survived
If only he didn't race under doctor's orders...
They all hurt but this one still really really really hurts..🏁❤🏁
I was ten years old at this race and remember when this happened. Greg Moore was a great driver and was gonna be a champion. RIP
The doctor who gave permission to Greg Moore (with a wrist in a cast) to participate in the race should have been removed from the medical profession. Period.
A tragic loss of a fine young man and a great talent. Watching Greg race made me proud to be Canadian.
He shouldn't have raced with an injured hand. He might still be alive now.
Poor Fernandez everyone of his wins was marred by tragedy. Jeff Krosnoff, Greg moore
A very well done and put together video of a Great driver. I Always believed that at some point he would eventually won the Indianapolis 500 and many championships to come in his future. Greg Moore was just that good. So sad 😞 he left this world too soon.
Fernandez won a race in Long Beach where a driver and a course worker were killed.
That was in Toronto
A second female worker was scalped by a fleeing tire as well...
Jeff Kronof - Toronto
It was also his wheel assembly that killed 3 spectators at Michigan. Unfortunately, I was also at that race (I was employed by the series sponsor).
Should’ve never been allowed to race with that hand.
Ironically Hearn did almost the exact same thing in the same spot only slower just before sadly Moore did. Never forget watching that day. Was such a huge loss
90s Open wheel racing was so dangerous. 240 + mph speed, no hans device , no safer barrier. It was carnage. Even fans weren't safe in the grandstands.
Only crash that is worse then this one is Gordon Smiley's.these 2 crashes are the worst in motorsports,I doubt he felt anything,I remember when this happened.man its hard to watch
Zannardi was awful too i saw it live 😭😭
The footage that I believe is ESPN Brazil footage tells the entire story. It appeared Greg was coming out of his car after the car hit the wall (At least that's what it looked like to me). I wonder if something was up with Greg's seat.
However, CPR being performed at the track... That just... 💔
The announcer was being very optimistic
Josh Revell brought me here.. RIP
How the fuck he was cleared to race by the doctors ..... i m brazilian , physician , surgeon , urologist , ...... was 23 yrs old those days......by the way , 1999 was my graduation........ 21 yrs later all i can say is ......he wasn t supposed to race that day......a young and talented race driver was lost .....what a fuckin shame on you doctors.....
There will never ever be a driver like Greg Moore
I hate oval tracks.._._ too fast and seriously dangerous and sorry boring.
cannot finish watching this broadcast. i am a f1 fan and watched so many record of crashes including the one that killed ayrton. the reason i tuned into indy car crashes is that i am reading dr. olvey's book (after i already completed prof. watkin's months ago!) the commentators in the US just sound so much like a bunch of clueless, heartless, apathetic buffoons! and the chassis of indy cars, compared to f1, looked like made of plastic! after watching the docu "life on the limit" which starts with 1996 australian gp where martin brundle literally jogged away from his horrific crash at the opening lap, i find it hard to take the fact indy car would break into pieces like this in 1999. sad.
I don’t see how you guys think his hand had anything to do with him losing downforce and sliding.
How many of those drivers you see are one handed drivers. Lol
Why is there no run off barriers like in F1, having a solid wall to stop a car is never a good idea.
I'm so glad that I wasn't watching this race live. All these years later, that exchange between Gerould and Olvey ("This is a life threatening situation?" "Yes, it is.") chills me to the bone.
The GOAT that never was.
The organizers will never admit that Greg shouldn't have run that day, that his injured hand didn't let him react well, that's why he had that accident, they won't admit it, but Greg would be alive if he hadn't run that day..I was watching that race...was so sad and shocking
Since I know Greg passed on October 31, I always remember him on my birthday, he was one of the best drivers who we could never witness unfolding his full potential
CPR being given at minute 8:33. Greg really did die right there on track and was ressucitated and kept barely alive. Terrible tragedy rip greg moore
I was 13 years old and there that day sitting in the turn 4 grandstands. I remember the screen like you mentioned only showed the live accident when it first happened and a replay that was brief that didn’t show everything. I had a scanner on the ESPN frequency that day and you would hear the conversations between paul page, Parker johnstone, and the producer of the show during commercial breaks. They were holding back tears almost every commercial break. You could also hear conversations very early on by the producer that a Tribute video was already being created. It was shocking for me at the time as that was the first race that had tragedy that I was personally at. I remember people nearby us in the stands didn’t have scanners so they would ask what we were hearing from the booth when they would talk during commercials. Such a tragic day.
Brutal crash, so much energy in a fast deceleration, this was imposible to survive. R.I.P. Mr.Moore
Did Richie notice he didn’t have enough room to rotate fully and get out of the throttle to cut the wheel right?
he was dead on impact they were doing car trackside
I think they knew he was already dead. "That's what we were afraid of " the way the announcer said it is like he already knew.
Crazy how there's people right on the other side of that wall he hits
Greg never should've been in the cockpit that day
3:01 Is That The Same Turn That Greg Moore Crashed?
Notice that Richie Hearn escaped and skidded in the same place where Greg Moore suffered his accident. Was there something odd about that particular section of the track? Some oil spilled by another car or something?
Greg just happened to hit the paved exit road at an angle where the cockpit was tipped directly towards that concrete barrier. Incredibly unlucky. RIP Greg
They should’ve left the downforce in these cars! They took all the stability out and they were so hard to keep under control! I blame the governing body for making these car’s unsafe! They should’ve been charged with contributing to Gregg Moore’s death! It seems to me that nothing was ever done or said about that! So sad! A good driver gone just like that! No warning, so fast! So cruel!
True, same stuff inF1 in 1994
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