As an avowed shoe nerd, I’d like to correct the beginning of the video. Kipchoge broke two hours in the Alphafly, a then brand new prototype. By that point the Vaporfly had been around for years. We can moan about supershoes all we want, but that shift happened long ago - for better or worse it happened, and we’re living in that world. Maybe most importantly, unlike in the early days, every company now has a carbon racing shoe and there’s not much between them. If anything, Nike is being left behind by many of its competitors, with On and Adidas arguably developing better racing product nowadays. Most Nike athletes aren’t running in the newest Vaporfly models, and many of its marathoners are still running in the first alphafly - a now 4 year old shoe. I think you’re correct to point out that the shoes can hurt the sport - I’d say from 2016 to 2019 for sure Nike athletes benefitted hugely from their innovation. Look at the Rio marathon podium or the US Olympic trials 2016. Nobody even knew about the Vaporfly prototypes beside the Nike athletes and that seems grubby at best. And although the shoes get a lot of credit for these world records, one underreported factor is the huge advances in endurance sports nutrition that have been made in about the same timeframe. When it comes to sprints, the benefits really aren’t very clear at all. The winning time in the Tokyo 100m would have been 5th in London 2012 for example. If shoe tech was that important in the sprints, I guarantee we would see a lot more 9.7 and 9.6 times. As it is, 9.8 which was good but not great 10-15 years ago is usually good enough to win diamond leagues, world championships and Olympic 100m races.
Agreed with the sprint comment. I don't think "magic" shoes will make a tangible difference for sprints. He mentioned the Viperfly having a carbon fiber sole, but sprint spikes have had carbon soles for years and super stiff soles for even longer. Plus in the discussion about compliance and energy return, compliance is about comfort. Sprinters don't really care about comfort, they're only running for less than a minute. Better believe they'll take a bit of discomfort to get that energy return number as close to 100% as possible.
It is because of Bolt and some other very talanted athletes that we are used to 9.7s in the 100m and expect the same from today's elite sprinters. Actually the 9.7 runs are quite rare just check the all time list! There are other examples for technologigal doping tho....look at the 400m hurdles, the 800 m for men and 400 m for women this year. We are now used to the 400m hurdles but the time of the last two mentioned disciplines are insane this year....I mean 4 girls below 49 secs in the 400m flat...that is insane!
@@nexuslux Thanks for your feedback! Do you mean we should have shown the Alphafly instead of the Vaporfly throughout the video? We figured it's fine to show the Vaporfly since this is the shoe that started it and we talk about "super shoes" in general, but I get the confusion when you are more familiar with the topic.
the comparision with Formula 1 is overblown imo, if anything it is more like cycling where a great aerodynamic bike can give great benefits to riders as they have to expend less energy for the same speeds but ultimately the human is still the engine.
maybe because nike trade marked the technology behind this so other shoes cannot replicate or make it better. while in bike, every one has similar advantage because everyone has similar technological advantages, this is different.
@@MudThought competitors are making very similar shoes that reach similar goals though and it's not like patents do not exist in cycling either. The main thing is that whatever people use, it has to be available on the market, which is the case. Just recently some Tour de France riders were complaining they were at a disadvantage because their sponsors bikes are quite a bit heavier than other teams bikes, so I think the situation is quite comparable in other sports. Arguably in cycling it's much worse if you look at the equipment of high budget vs low budget teams (or nations in the Olympics). But my main point was, even cycling is still far off the F1 situation, where you literally cannot win in a bad car even you are by far the best driver.
No this would be more like bike using advanced suspension and space age soft tire grip. Yea mechanical advantage is not the same as aero. Aero is limited by V² So the faster you go, the harder air pushes on you squared
This video is closing in on 6 years late. The discourse about the super shoes peaked just before Tokyo, when super spikes were just hitting the market. Also, I really hate the clickbait title. The IOC never banned any shoe. World Athletics provided guidelines. The IOC simply enforces the rules of the governing body for each event.
@@mikatuThey don’t follow the boxing rules, because they’re arbitrary. They literally used the “we can disqualify you at any time” rule to remove Imane. Not the extremely arbitrarily geared towards europeans “gender” rule they added the year after. Olympics being more politically involved than actually being about human skill is embarrassing. I can maybe tolerate Russia not being allowed a flag, but competitors disqualified for being too good is actually bewildering.
@@Nahanoo Not that easy. Let's just add jet packs while we are at it. It's an extreme case of course, but shows why having an anything goes mentality does not fly either. Sports must be regulated.
I'm sorry but this could have used much more research. 1) World Athletics never banned any Nike shoes during this period. The rule changes covered exisiting products. 2) Super spikes are nothing new. Puma had their 'brush spike' banned back in 1968 after it broke WRs in testing. Nike even shelved a spike with metal sandpaper instead of spikes back in 1985. 3) Carbon-fibre plate running shoes are not new. Fila did this with racing shoes back in 1996. They dominated world marathons for years and only stopped when the company collapsed. 4) The Viperfly may have had the potential to improve times (it was never proven) but almost all the tech except the decoupled spike plate (which the patent said would act as a second plate) made it into production spikes 5) Even with the super spikes of today, Usain Bolt's record has not been approached.
Certainly. In my professional opinion, there appears to be a potential conflict of interest among certain members of the board, who may be receiving financial incentives from brands such as Adidas. This could influence their decisions regarding sponsorship visibility, potentially leading to the exclusion of Nike. Furthermore, the organization and management of the Olympics have been marred by numerous issues, including subpar athlete accommodations, such as uncomfortable beds and lack of air conditioning, as well as the occurrence of water events in highly polluted waters, resulting in athlete illnesses. These factors collectively contribute to the perception of corruption and disorganization within the Olympic organization.
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There are many inaccuracies in this video - for example when you talk about Kipchoge's Alphafly's from 2:00:25 attempt, you show wrong shoes - much newer Alphafly model. These from the video were not even produced when Kipchoge ran 2:00:25 in 2017. Also, in 2:06 you show Yeezys - popular (designed by Kanye West) streetwear sneakers - as an example of running shoes. And I have just watched 3 minutes of the video yet.
IOC should just make a standard shoe layout which needs to be used at Olympics and can be produced by every sponsor. Much better than ruling that can be checked for loop holes.
@@sweatyatoms7719 Shit, because you made me curious now :D From my point of view as someone who just watches from the outside it feels like that way only the physique, technique and ability of the runner would count, not any advantage through better equipment. But I guess there needs to be some degree of freedom because every runner has different needs for the shoe, that are not working with the idea of a standard template?
@@Arc0w Unless you are going back to the old racing flats, you would be giving an advantage to certain athletes. Many brands are producing 2 different super shoe models and the athletes are choosing which works best for them. Saucony used to make a model specifically for Molly Huddle because the Endorphin Pro didn't work for her. Now she races in the Endorphin Elite. Molly Seidel uses the Puma Deviate Elite because the Fast-R doesn't work for her. Some people actually respond negatively to some super shoes versus flats.
This happened in early 2000s in swimming. They banned "sharkskin" swimsuits, and all world records created wearing those swimsuits have been marked. Technology doesn't have to rule the tracks, on land or in water.
I once won in college race , and I was surprised.... The only reason was best fitting comfortable shoe , It wasn't even This track shoe , but it's was comfortable
The “4%” label refers to the claimed improvement in running economy, a measure of oxygen consumption at a given pace. If Kipchoge ran 4% faster with super shoes we'd expect to see a time of about 1:58:32. He actually ran about 3% faster with the shoes, special pacers, pacing lights, a course specifically for this, and a day picked out of a window of days for the weather.
Exactly, it wasnt just the shoes, it was the shoes, the pacers, the lights, the constant supply of water, the rigorous diet, the perfect weather, the perfect track, and the constant cheering of people (most marathons have treks where no ppl are present)
It’s funny how the video is 9:57 or 0.1 seconds better the 100m world record 9.58 while talking about how cheating could have beaten it with super shoes
literally, if people tell me "ough. i hate running. its so exhausting. why would i do that" i always tell them "nah. you just havnt run in a good shoe yet :D"
@@wolololerwhy would sports brands spend billions in sponsorship money then? They are going to sponser a product that they didn’t create nor could they sell it like they normally do
Nah, what about the records? Wouldn’t be fair to previous competitors. I don’t want to see anyone breaking Usain Bolt’s using shoes that make you faster! Keep it minimal!
Watching this channel grow has been wild, also in regards to the audio mixing. I listened on a few studio headphones then some terrible bass boosted stuff like airpods, yea across the board the music is a TAD loud. It was mainly the music around the 1/3 mark, the scratchiness doesn't bind well with your voice they have a lot of crossover.
I believe As an Avid Runner, there shouldn’t be any kind of Ban. As long as that specific shoe is available for Everyone to obtain, it’s a fair game and a leveled Field. You Can Never stop technology and Innovation.
@@unruly7516 there is no debate for this people, they just want to win no matter what, they have no pride in their skills, they just want to be a name in history. Winning because of tecnology is not wining
Also, what about the sole thickness? If you can manage to run on a superlight 5-cm thick sole, that is definitely a great advange, lenghtening your stride in addition to any energy-transfer improvement! (and I do recognize that the thicker the sole, the harder it gets to improve energy transfer)
Springs, yes. Wheels, no. If somebody wants to run with pogo sticks, let them. But no rollerblades. We can revisit the issue when we can't distinguish springs from wheels.
The other thing I never see mentioned abt the distance shoes specifically is that most of that 4% is actually prolly due to the 1-2 inches of height gain from the massive midsole. Usually extra height (therefore longer stride length) is countered by the fact that ur heart has to work harder to pump ur blood. These shoes give u the extra advantage with no drawback which is pretty unfair. An inch or two doesn’t sound like much but it means a few more inches per stride which really adds up over 26 miles. It’s not super unfair if all pro athletes have them but it ruins the amateur level bc then it becomes pay to win essentially.
@@jakem5039 they might have let him cheat as it would be a massive scandal, see the fancy bear leaks about pro athletes that were doing that got away with it. Alternatively he might have used a higher end drug that can't be tested. It is certainly possible that he didn't cheat but if 3 of the 4 members of the team doped then it wouldn't be surprising if he doped too.
I use the alphafly and omg yes it makes every singe run much easier and i run faster with less fatigue. As an amateur I am totally okay with those benefits
It’s funny to me that if an athletes gets a good shoe from his or her brand that other athletes have an issue with it. If your brand doesn’t make a shoe that makes you fast, you’re with the wrong brand. Technology will keep improving, since the time of shoes I’m sure as they developed, times got faster, so just because this is a giant leap, it shouldn’t be seen any differently
I would have known a kittle bit more about the two air-polsters named"Air Zoom"on the ball of the foot which is the most resiliated spot.Respectively rather important for most efficiant energy return
It's interesting when you look at a sport like MLB that requires wooden bats even though companies have researched other compounds and technology. I'm surprised running hasn't done a similar standardization for shoes.
I recently watched the video by Cleo Abram about this and their the Nike exec told it was to further human capabilities but its not because of the human being better that the records are broken and imo i dont like this because of the non-human factor in the records being broken.
I believe Dawn Harper (100mh/'08 OC) said they have shoes that basically "throw" you down the track several months ago and presented some of the same "tech doping" arguments. Between the questionable rules, and questionable eligibility, and questionable performances... I've lost interest. I don't want to watch a XY beat up an XX because some man in room said it's OK. I don't want to watch super shoe contestants beat the Dawn Harpers of the world. I don't want to watch some person from nowhere all of a sudden run world record times then totally disappear.
On the other hand, there is so many injuries of Achilles tendon in sprint events and events that include sprinting, since carbon spikes started to be trend.
If the gear has no active component similar to megalobox enhancement but just improved energy return due to good engineering. It’s not cheating. There was also just an arbitrary line drawn what is cheating. The only „fair“ way would be that all runners running barefoot on exactly the same track under exactly the same conditions but that’s impossible to achieve. In contrary to e.g. doping, there is no risk to using different shoes.
A spring board in diving doesn't give back more, but it dramatically alters the ability to store and return energy. That's why stack height is an important distinction. There is a point where you start running to use the shoe, rather than the shoes just enhancing.
In my opinion, as long as a shoes don't give back more energy than you put down I don't see the problem. If technology got to the point where it was a 100% energy return that would be awesome and should be allowed
I was living in Jordan era. We believe we can jump higher when using Air Jordan shoe ! Wearing it , give us boost of confidence, respect from peer and opponents and feeling you're Jordan who can fly.
I got an idea. What if the Olympics team up with countries to make their own official shoes so they don't have to worry about brands making one shoe better then the other. I mean think about it. All they need is like 10 Million from each country that's apart of it (That's about $1.8 billion). And they can just develop shoes made for olympic track running.
I put on my pair of Vaporfly's for the first time and it felt like the whole back of the shoe disappeared under a cloud. It was bananas. I'd ban them too.
Honestly, this type of boost is a good boost, if the other shoe company cannot keep up, they deserved to lose to Nike, which innovated and actually delivered a great product.
That ban sounds incredibly stupid. Thickness is naturally limited by shoe weight. Limiting the number of rigid plates - no idea what it's about, but sounds like a ban for the sake of a ban, aka for the sake of certain shoemaker lobbyists. Any innovation that doesn't hurt runners' legs in the long term and is accassible to everyone should be allowed.
I thought competitions is all about progress. Why ban progress? This isn't going to halt or hinder progress in health and nutrition studies, nor sport sciences, as far as I know.
ALL running races can be run barefoot! A textured track gives you all the traction and cushion you need. For the marathon, you run it on a beach at low tide, and or a golf course with manicured grass. Issue solved!
IMO these competitions should be a battle between people NOT technologies so a standard shoe should be compulsory for all runners like Formula 1 has a standard tyre for all cars.
I agree, we should ban technical doping in sports! All track runners should have to use dress shoes with nails in them. Modern shoes with cushioning is just unfair. Very disappointing to see these modern day athletes like Usain Bolt and others wearing shoes that help performance compared to the 1600s!
yep Super Shoe regulation is pretty much like F1, just like Mizuno Rebellion Pro 2 finding the loophole in the rule and design a shoe that is regulated but having a total of 54mm stack midfoot
If the product has to be availabel on the market, just start selling them a few hours before a competition. The other runners would not be able to get a pair in that little of a time then.
Anyone that thinks the equipment makes all the difference isn't paying attention to actual results. Many athletes in a given event have the same equipment, yet some athletes are more consistent winners.
And yet in the closing ceremonies in Paris, the opening act was of the Golden Voyageur coming down to recreate the lost Olympics while encountering Nike, the goddess of victory.😋
Anyone complaining about records being broken because of shoes that give an advantage is honestly just lame. Shoes have given an advantage forever. The only way to have a shoe that isn't better than the rest is to run barefoot. That may be fine for 100-400 meters but marathon runners would suffer so much. And honestly if I had a world record (also because of a shoe, I doubt Usain Bold could set his times in those loafers with spikes) I'd want a technology improvement to be why I lost it, because then you can still say "If I was running today and had those, imagine what my time would be"
They should just make them all use the same equipment to offer an even playing field where only the athlete’s ability/physical prowess determine who wins
Imagine being a sportswear company that _actually_ enables significantly better athletic performance for their customers, only for a stupid thumbnail on youtube to call it 'cheating.'
Having people heavily dependent on equipment technology is never good for a sport. We don`t want to see a second round of the Speedo swimsuit in the 2000s.
This video is eerily similar to Half As Interesting's video on these shoes. Ok sure, it's the same topic, obviously it's gonna be similar, but this really feels like "Can I copy your homework?" "Sure, but change it up a bit so it isn't obvious".
This guy remembers more of the Media Pulse and the exhibitions themselves having been a 9yr old than I do having been a 14yr old. I call 🐂💩 on the 1st Hand Recollections
My first thought was to wonder why anybody gets antsy about more efficient shoes - just keep improving the breed. Surely, if athletes run only by their own energy, nobody is cheating. Then I thought about amputees running on springy prosthetic legs - ok at the length of a human leg, but an artificial advantage if they are longer stilts. Further development: roller blades, then a bicycle. All using nothing more than the athletes' own energy. Ok, we need to draw a line somewhere.
Remember people that the best shoe for most people in most situations is a Barefoot shoe as it is healthier for your arches and overall foot strength and shape.
Either make everybody run barefeet, or just allow this. This is so stupid really, why would you ban a shoe that literally every athlete can buy if they chose to?
This debate is silly. If 4% lets Lyles break Bolt's record, then putting shoes of similar or better performance on Bolt would help him break those records further. At the top level, as long as everyone has super shoes, then there is no issue. If the shoes help too much, make everyone run barefoot and _then_ we can see who's really fast.
World records are becoming more to do with advances in technology (track, shoes, therapeutic regimes). As long as people accept that and are able to understand how great many athletics in the past were.
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Come on, of course it's 100m
@@zillavale what about pole vault? Or javelin should be interesting this year :)
@@AthleticInterestwomen's 400mh is the only thing which comes close in my opinion
@@zillavale What about the men's 400h? Could be just as exciting.
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As an avowed shoe nerd, I’d like to correct the beginning of the video. Kipchoge broke two hours in the Alphafly, a then brand new prototype. By that point the Vaporfly had been around for years. We can moan about supershoes all we want, but that shift happened long ago - for better or worse it happened, and we’re living in that world. Maybe most importantly, unlike in the early days, every company now has a carbon racing shoe and there’s not much between them. If anything, Nike is being left behind by many of its competitors, with On and Adidas arguably developing better racing product nowadays. Most Nike athletes aren’t running in the newest Vaporfly models, and many of its marathoners are still running in the first alphafly - a now 4 year old shoe. I think you’re correct to point out that the shoes can hurt the sport - I’d say from 2016 to 2019 for sure Nike athletes benefitted hugely from their innovation. Look at the Rio marathon podium or the US Olympic trials 2016. Nobody even knew about the Vaporfly prototypes beside the Nike athletes and that seems grubby at best. And although the shoes get a lot of credit for these world records, one underreported factor is the huge advances in endurance sports nutrition that have been made in about the same timeframe.
When it comes to sprints, the benefits really aren’t very clear at all. The winning time in the Tokyo 100m would have been 5th in London 2012 for example. If shoe tech was that important in the sprints, I guarantee we would see a lot more 9.7 and 9.6 times. As it is, 9.8 which was good but not great 10-15 years ago is usually good enough to win diamond leagues, world championships and Olympic 100m races.
Agreed with the sprint comment. I don't think "magic" shoes will make a tangible difference for sprints. He mentioned the Viperfly having a carbon fiber sole, but sprint spikes have had carbon soles for years and super stiff soles for even longer.
Plus in the discussion about compliance and energy return, compliance is about comfort. Sprinters don't really care about comfort, they're only running for less than a minute. Better believe they'll take a bit of discomfort to get that energy return number as close to 100% as possible.
There will always be innovation and advances technology, inevitable.
We will have to slowly adapt, at times, adapt quickly.
It is because of Bolt and some other very talanted athletes that we are used to 9.7s in the 100m and expect the same from today's elite sprinters. Actually the 9.7 runs are quite rare just check the all time list! There are other examples for technologigal doping tho....look at the 400m hurdles, the 800 m for men and 400 m for women this year. We are now used to the 400m hurdles but the time of the last two mentioned disciplines are insane this year....I mean 4 girls below 49 secs in the 400m flat...that is insane!
how can you watch the video when he keeps showing the wrong shoes? i just stopped.
@@nexuslux Thanks for your feedback! Do you mean we should have shown the Alphafly instead of the Vaporfly throughout the video? We figured it's fine to show the Vaporfly since this is the shoe that started it and we talk about "super shoes" in general, but I get the confusion when you are more familiar with the topic.
the comparision with Formula 1 is overblown imo, if anything it is more like cycling where a great aerodynamic bike can give great benefits to riders as they have to expend less energy for the same speeds but ultimately the human is still the engine.
It's also the same with the prosthetics para Olympic runners use. Some of those blades are super advanced and give the athletes a mega advantage
maybe because nike trade marked the technology behind this so other shoes cannot replicate or make it better.
while in bike, every one has similar advantage because everyone has similar technological advantages, this is different.
@@MudThought competitors are making very similar shoes that reach similar goals though and it's not like patents do not exist in cycling either. The main thing is that whatever people use, it has to be available on the market, which is the case. Just recently some Tour de France riders were complaining they were at a disadvantage because their sponsors bikes are quite a bit heavier than other teams bikes, so I think the situation is quite comparable in other sports. Arguably in cycling it's much worse if you look at the equipment of high budget vs low budget teams (or nations in the Olympics). But my main point was, even cycling is still far off the F1 situation, where you literally cannot win in a bad car even you are by far the best driver.
The difference in performance is about the same though. Supertimes for all teams vary by less than 5%.
No this would be more like bike using advanced suspension and space age soft tire grip. Yea mechanical advantage is not the same as aero. Aero is limited by V²
So the faster you go, the harder air pushes on you squared
This video is closing in on 6 years late. The discourse about the super shoes peaked just before Tokyo, when super spikes were just hitting the market.
Also, I really hate the clickbait title. The IOC never banned any shoe. World Athletics provided guidelines. The IOC simply enforces the rules of the governing body for each event.
wrong. boxing IOC ignored all the rules regarding female athletes who failed gender exams.
@@mikatu there is zero evidence that any proper tests were actually conducted
Hey, we all need to justify our sponsorships SOMEHOW.
@@mikatu Lol, you got conned by Russian fake news
@@mikatuThey don’t follow the boxing rules, because they’re arbitrary.
They literally used the “we can disqualify you at any time” rule to remove Imane. Not the extremely arbitrarily geared towards europeans “gender” rule they added the year after.
Olympics being more politically involved than actually being about human skill is embarrassing. I can maybe tolerate Russia not being allowed a flag, but competitors disqualified for being too good is actually bewildering.
Can we also have a competition where this is not banned?
Just to see how far this technology can go
Yeah. They are inevitably going to be used at some point.
It makes no sense why it’s banned. If it’s up in retail, every athlete should just buy them
@@Nahanoo Not that easy. Let's just add jet packs while we are at it. It's an extreme case of course, but shows why having an anything goes mentality does not fly either. Sports must be regulated.
Think metal vs wood bats in baseball. Little kids through university all use metal, but the pros use wood bats.
@@Nahanoo then you would have people using a version of the blades Pistorius used and it would be pogo running
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no it isn't
@@AthleticInterest nah the volume mixing is fine
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@@Vivek-Goel_Superfanpeople reply just for the sake of contradicting others, don’t bother
I'm sorry but this could have used much more research.
1) World Athletics never banned any Nike shoes during this period. The rule changes covered exisiting products.
2) Super spikes are nothing new. Puma had their 'brush spike' banned back in 1968 after it broke WRs in testing. Nike even shelved a spike with metal sandpaper instead of spikes back in 1985.
3) Carbon-fibre plate running shoes are not new. Fila did this with racing shoes back in 1996. They dominated world marathons for years and only stopped when the company collapsed.
4) The Viperfly may have had the potential to improve times (it was never proven) but almost all the tech except the decoupled spike plate (which the patent said would act as a second plate) made it into production spikes
5) Even with the super spikes of today, Usain Bolt's record has not been approached.
Just a nike ad
exactly, thanks for posting this. video is kind of trash.
If shoes are tech doping, then make the sport barefoot.
Let’s do it Greece style , no shoes , no clothes
@@gizmonovack ah, a man of culture
Apparently, they banned that too. You are not allowed to run barefoot
@@corvusglaive5769 conseslious kipruto run and won barefoot
Certainly. In my professional opinion, there appears to be a potential conflict of interest among certain members of the board, who may be receiving financial incentives from brands such as Adidas. This could influence their decisions regarding sponsorship visibility, potentially leading to the exclusion of Nike. Furthermore, the organization and management of the Olympics have been marred by numerous issues, including subpar athlete accommodations, such as uncomfortable beds and lack of air conditioning, as well as the occurrence of water events in highly polluted waters, resulting in athlete illnesses. These factors collectively contribute to the perception of corruption and disorganization within the Olympic organization.
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He didnt run a two hour marathon. he ran a marathon distance in less than two hours. There are certain rules he didnt meet to be classed as a marathon
There are many inaccuracies in this video - for example when you talk about Kipchoge's Alphafly's from 2:00:25 attempt, you show wrong shoes - much newer Alphafly model. These from the video were not even produced when Kipchoge ran 2:00:25 in 2017.
Also, in 2:06 you show Yeezys - popular (designed by Kanye West) streetwear sneakers - as an example of running shoes.
And I have just watched 3 minutes of the video yet.
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Just look at the diagram at 8:12 to appreciate the _professionalism_ and _accuracy_ of the author of the video.
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IOC should just make a standard shoe layout which needs to be used at Olympics and can be produced by every sponsor. Much better than ruling that can be checked for loop holes.
No, this is a bad idea and I don’t want to explain why.
@@sweatyatoms7719 I guess one of the reasons would be stagnation in terms of innovation
@@sweatyatoms7719 Shit, because you made me curious now :D
From my point of view as someone who just watches from the outside it feels like that way only the physique, technique and ability of the runner would count, not any advantage through better equipment.
But I guess there needs to be some degree of freedom because every runner has different needs for the shoe, that are not working with the idea of a standard template?
@@Arc0w Unless you are going back to the old racing flats, you would be giving an advantage to certain athletes. Many brands are producing 2 different super shoe models and the athletes are choosing which works best for them. Saucony used to make a model specifically for Molly Huddle because the Endorphin Pro didn't work for her. Now she races in the Endorphin Elite. Molly Seidel uses the Puma Deviate Elite because the Fast-R doesn't work for her. Some people actually respond negatively to some super shoes versus flats.
@@runnin3216absolutely. Different athletes have different feet and running styles, so if everyone uses the same shoe it wouldn’t work.
This happened in early 2000s in swimming. They banned "sharkskin" swimsuits, and all world records created wearing those swimsuits have been marked.
Technology doesn't have to rule the tracks, on land or in water.
What about sharkskin running vests? Or Cheetahskin running shoes?
Yeah Ian Thorpe and his famous sharkskin suit versus Popov who dudn't even wire a head gear !!
I once won in college race , and I was surprised....
The only reason was best fitting comfortable shoe ,
It wasn't even This track shoe , but it's was comfortable
I don't know what shoes Armin Hary was wearing in 1960 Rome Olympics , but it got him down the Gravel 100m track in 10sec flat.
The “4%” label refers to the claimed improvement in running economy, a measure of oxygen consumption at a given pace. If Kipchoge ran 4% faster with super shoes we'd expect to see a time of about 1:58:32. He actually ran about 3% faster with the shoes, special pacers, pacing lights, a course specifically for this, and a day picked out of a window of days for the weather.
Exactly, it wasnt just the shoes, it was the shoes, the pacers, the lights, the constant supply of water, the rigorous diet, the perfect weather, the perfect track, and the constant cheering of people (most marathons have treks where no ppl are present)
@@adrianpaulochoa9825 performance enhancing crowd cheering. ban them, that's cheating.
It’s funny how the video is 9:57 or 0.1 seconds better the 100m world record 9.58 while talking about how cheating could have beaten it with super shoes
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That 9:57 would be the world record for the slowest 100m sprint.
@@WarrChan - I'm sure he means in seconds, not in minutes.
@@chrismitty_plenty yes. I know what he thinks he means. He means 9.57 but thinks it's ironic that 9:57 looks similar.
this has got to be one of the greatest ads for Nike
as far as sponsored content goes, this is pretty mid
LOL
Running with unlimited restrictions on shoes is called cycling.
I always find it weird that sport equipment in competitions are not standardised.
I've never seen any infographic story telling video as cool as this. Its like watching avengers age of ultron
Sooo..I am not slow..I just dont have the right shoe😂😂
yup
literally, if people tell me "ough. i hate running. its so exhausting. why would i do that" i always tell them "nah. you just havnt run in a good shoe yet :D"
2:06 Yeezy as an example of running shoe 😆
yeah that is an instant dislike on this video. I don't think he knows what the H he is talking about !!
Yeezy is and always was TRAAAASH
“Without the athletes, super shoes would just be very expensive slippers”
Quote of the day 🔥
Don’t ban the equipment, equip everyone with the same equipment. They all have to wear footwear anyway or have them run in bare feet
Arms race to be the sponsored equipment lets go
@@FleetAdmirable Just make a standartized equipment, and brands can design the paterns on it. It doesnt have to be all the same 1 colour shoes
I'd agree with this with one exception, if the faster shoes are demonstrably less safe to use, then they should be banned.
@@wolololerwhy would sports brands spend billions in sponsorship money then? They are going to sponser a product that they didn’t create nor could they sell it like they normally do
Nah, what about the records? Wouldn’t be fair to previous competitors. I don’t want to see anyone breaking Usain Bolt’s using shoes that make you faster! Keep it minimal!
Watching this channel grow has been wild, also in regards to the audio mixing. I listened on a few studio headphones then some terrible bass boosted stuff like airpods, yea across the board the music is a TAD loud. It was mainly the music around the 1/3 mark, the scratchiness doesn't bind well with your voice they have a lot of crossover.
I believe As an Avid Runner, there shouldn’t be any kind of Ban. As long as that specific shoe is available for Everyone to obtain, it’s a fair game and a leveled Field. You Can Never stop technology and Innovation.
And what happens to Usain Bolt’s records, what colour are you, why would you want to cheat your way to the top, what kind of dirty mentality is that.
@@unruly7516get help first you sound like a couch potato who didn’t touch grass since Jurassic age
@@unruly7516 there is no debate for this people, they just want to win no matter what, they have no pride in their skills, they just want to be a name in history. Winning because of tecnology is not wining
Brother your voice is great!!
But the BG music is very loud!
Great video as always though
Also, what about the sole thickness? If you can manage to run on a superlight 5-cm thick sole, that is definitely a great advange, lenghtening your stride in addition to any energy-transfer improvement! (and I do recognize that the thicker the sole, the harder it gets to improve energy transfer)
9:11 Of the shoes you showed, the ones with a big "N" on the side are New Balance, not Nike.
I think every runner should be forced to run barefoot at this point
No better advertising then banning ashoe for being too good
That outro hits deep
Springs, yes. Wheels, no. If somebody wants to run with pogo sticks, let them. But no rollerblades.
We can revisit the issue when we can't distinguish springs from wheels.
Nike also has a popular kneepad line.
The other thing I never see mentioned abt the distance shoes specifically is that most of that 4% is actually prolly due to the 1-2 inches of height gain from the massive midsole. Usually extra height (therefore longer stride length) is countered by the fact that ur heart has to work harder to pump ur blood. These shoes give u the extra advantage with no drawback which is pretty unfair. An inch or two doesn’t sound like much but it means a few more inches per stride which really adds up over 26 miles. It’s not super unfair if all pro athletes have them but it ruins the amateur level bc then it becomes pay to win essentially.
Needing super shoes to beat Bolt explains how GOATed he is
What about the shoes he wore vs the world record holders before him?
3 of 4 of usain bolt's teammates were caught doping in the 2012 olympics so I wouldn't be surprised if bolt doped too.
@@sadiporter2966then why didn’t he fail the test lol
@@cjezinneI mean they were improvements sure but the premise establishes that not much has improved shoe wise until this.
@@jakem5039 they might have let him cheat as it would be a massive scandal, see the fancy bear leaks about pro athletes that were doing that got away with it. Alternatively he might have used a higher end drug that can't be tested. It is certainly possible that he didn't cheat but if 3 of the 4 members of the team doped then it wouldn't be surprising if he doped too.
I use the alphafly and omg yes it makes every singe run much easier and i run faster with less fatigue. As an amateur I am totally okay with those benefits
For so long the innovations that mattered for speed were on the track itself helping all runners. Better running surfaces etc
It’s funny to me that if an athletes gets a good shoe from his or her brand that other athletes have an issue with it. If your brand doesn’t make a shoe that makes you fast, you’re with the wrong brand. Technology will keep improving, since the time of shoes I’m sure as they developed, times got faster, so just because this is a giant leap, it shouldn’t be seen any differently
I would have known a kittle bit more about the two air-polsters named"Air Zoom"on the ball of the foot which is the most resiliated spot.Respectively rather important for most efficiant energy return
It's interesting when you look at a sport like MLB that requires wooden bats even though companies have researched other compounds and technology. I'm surprised running hasn't done a similar standardization for shoes.
Even with the super shoes, this year 100m finalists only got 9.79 the fastest..what a letdown
I recently watched the video by Cleo Abram about this and their the Nike exec told it was to further human capabilities but its not because of the human being better that the records are broken and imo i dont like this because of the non-human factor in the records being broken.
Cleo is a great communicator and filmmaker but she's a little too comfortable with tech boss promises of a better tomorrow
I believe Dawn Harper (100mh/'08 OC) said they have shoes that basically "throw" you down the track several months ago and presented some of the same "tech doping" arguments. Between the questionable rules, and questionable eligibility, and questionable performances... I've lost interest. I don't want to watch a XY beat up an XX because some man in room said it's OK. I don't want to watch super shoe contestants beat the Dawn Harpers of the world. I don't want to watch some person from nowhere all of a sudden run world record times then totally disappear.
They don't "throw" anything. When you see a video that looks like the shoe is launching itself... it's the person holding the shoe who is throwing it.
On the other hand, there is so many injuries of Achilles tendon in sprint events and events that include sprinting, since carbon spikes started to be trend.
If the gear has no active component similar to megalobox enhancement but just improved energy return due to good engineering. It’s not cheating.
There was also just an arbitrary line drawn what is cheating. The only „fair“ way would be that all runners running barefoot on exactly the same track under exactly the same conditions but that’s impossible to achieve.
In contrary to e.g. doping, there is no risk to using different shoes.
A spring board in diving doesn't give back more, but it dramatically alters the ability to store and return energy. That's why stack height is an important distinction. There is a point where you start running to use the shoe, rather than the shoes just enhancing.
The Nike Gambit ♟️✅
Can you turn the music up, I can still hear you talking😅
new tech is always an issue, in every sport. For example, at what point do things like table tennis rubbers become too OP?
In my opinion, as long as a shoes don't give back more energy than you put down I don't see the problem. If technology got to the point where it was a 100% energy return that would be awesome and should be allowed
It’s not cheating, it’s innovation.
"Really expensive slippers" 🤣 love this line!
I was living in Jordan era. We believe we can jump higher when using Air Jordan shoe ! Wearing it , give us boost of confidence, respect from peer and opponents and feeling you're Jordan who can fly.
but the OG supershoes is pretty much Brooks Fusion at 1989
I got an idea.
What if the Olympics team up with countries to make their own official shoes so they don't have to worry about brands making one shoe better then the other.
I mean think about it. All they need is like 10 Million from each country that's apart of it (That's about $1.8 billion). And they can just develop shoes made for olympic track running.
Can I mix the audio to your next video?
I put on my pair of Vaporfly's for the first time and it felt like the whole back of the shoe disappeared under a cloud. It was bananas. I'd ban them too.
A 4% improvement would take me from not qualifying for the Olympics to still not qualifying for the Olympics…
Honestly, this type of boost is a good boost, if the other shoe company cannot keep up, they deserved to lose to Nike, which innovated and actually delivered a great product.
Huh. Never knew there was so much engineering behind shoes. Always thought the two top factors were comfiness and looks.
whz dont they just wear 25 shoes. 100 percent faster.
That ban sounds incredibly stupid. Thickness is naturally limited by shoe weight. Limiting the number of rigid plates - no idea what it's about, but sounds like a ban for the sake of a ban, aka for the sake of certain shoemaker lobbyists. Any innovation that doesn't hurt runners' legs in the long term and is accassible to everyone should be allowed.
I thought competitions is all about progress. Why ban progress? This isn't going to halt or hinder progress in health and nutrition studies, nor sport sciences, as far as I know.
This is nike advertising nothing from nike is banned, do not be blind.
@@ZondaRbg Oh... now that's interesting.
Sounds like the tech suits in swimming during the 2000s. World records fell like flies
ALL running races can be run barefoot! A textured track gives you all the traction and cushion you need. For the marathon, you run it on a beach at low tide, and or a golf course with manicured grass. Issue solved!
IMO these competitions should be a battle between people NOT technologies so a standard shoe should be compulsory for all runners like Formula 1 has a standard tyre for all cars.
I agree, we should ban technical doping in sports!
All track runners should have to use dress shoes with nails in them. Modern shoes with cushioning is just unfair.
Very disappointing to see these modern day athletes like Usain Bolt and others wearing shoes that help performance compared to the 1600s!
yep Super Shoe regulation is pretty much like F1, just like Mizuno Rebellion Pro 2 finding the loophole in the rule and design a shoe that is regulated but having a total of 54mm stack midfoot
8:55 wow im surprised runners' shoes have their own version of homologation
Wow IOC worried about athletes wearing shoes but not worried about men beating up women in the competition 🤦🏻♂️
When i wear Headphones music is a bit distracting...
Did the shoe companies just call Bolt out of his retirement?
If the product has to be availabel on the market, just start selling them a few hours before a competition. The other runners would not be able to get a pair in that little of a time then.
For competition, the company that runs the competition event should supply the runner with the same shoes.
Anyone that thinks the equipment makes all the difference isn't paying attention to actual results. Many athletes in a given event have the same equipment, yet some athletes are more consistent winners.
And yet in the closing ceremonies in Paris, the opening act was of the Golden Voyageur coming down to recreate the lost Olympics while encountering Nike, the goddess of victory.😋
Anyone complaining about records being broken because of shoes that give an advantage is honestly just lame. Shoes have given an advantage forever. The only way to have a shoe that isn't better than the rest is to run barefoot. That may be fine for 100-400 meters but marathon runners would suffer so much.
And honestly if I had a world record (also because of a shoe, I doubt Usain Bold could set his times in those loafers with spikes) I'd want a technology improvement to be why I lost it, because then you can still say "If I was running today and had those, imagine what my time would be"
They should just make them all use the same equipment to offer an even playing field where only the athlete’s ability/physical prowess determine who wins
It's wild that passive apparel would be banned.
If Equipped:
+4 Speed
Imagine being a sportswear company that _actually_ enables significantly better athletic performance for their customers, only for a stupid thumbnail on youtube to call it 'cheating.'
What happened to the records made in the shoes that got banned? Because surely without the shoe, the record would be unbeatable
Shoes won't move on their own. Banning them is pure BS. Technology advancement in every sport should be welcomed.
Having people heavily dependent on equipment technology is never good for a sport. We don`t want to see a second round of the Speedo swimsuit in the 2000s.
Not a coincidence, my RUclips showed Adidas ad before this video.
I just love this channel, everything about it is so professional and makes me addicted to it, thanks for the amazing work and keep it up please 🙏
This video is eerily similar to Half As Interesting's video on these shoes. Ok sure, it's the same topic, obviously it's gonna be similar, but this really feels like "Can I copy your homework?" "Sure, but change it up a bit so it isn't obvious".
i worked inside Nike world hq for years and this is what they do.
This guy remembers more of the Media Pulse and the exhibitions themselves having been a 9yr old than I do having been a 14yr old. I call 🐂💩 on the 1st Hand Recollections
My first thought was to wonder why anybody gets antsy about more efficient shoes - just keep improving the breed. Surely, if athletes run only by their own energy, nobody is cheating. Then I thought about amputees running on springy prosthetic legs - ok at the length of a human leg, but an artificial advantage if they are longer stilts. Further development: roller blades, then a bicycle. All using nothing more than the athletes' own energy. Ok, we need to draw a line somewhere.
Another Great video guys! Super job 👌
Remember people that the best shoe for most people in most situations is a Barefoot shoe as it is healthier for your arches and overall foot strength and shape.
Either make everybody run barefeet, or just allow this. This is so stupid really, why would you ban a shoe that literally every athlete can buy if they chose to?
Them trainers be comfy tho ngl
the editing of this video is insane!
Without people, it is just an expensive slipper
This debate is silly. If 4% lets Lyles break Bolt's record, then putting shoes of similar or better performance on Bolt would help him break those records further. At the top level, as long as everyone has super shoes, then there is no issue. If the shoes help too much, make everyone run barefoot and _then_ we can see who's really fast.
yep agreed. as long as they all have access to the same its all good.
World records are becoming more to do with advances in technology (track, shoes, therapeutic regimes). As long as people accept that and are able to understand how great many athletics in the past were.