That’s an insane amount of steps for something fairly essential to renders. And it’s something that you want to be able to evaluate, in a scene, before rendering.
@@grabbitt Indeed, I saw your video on it after I commented this. But still, I find it odd that such a basic function of rendering is tucked away like a niche technical feature. (By the way, I LOVE your tutorials. They've gotten me actually able to use Blender and make fun art!)
This, I think they removed the bloom option to force us to use compositing, they should encourage the use of compositing by "adding" new features or so, not like this
Thank you, Grant, for these videos about Blender 4.2. I'm taking baby steps to learn the craft alongside my day job. These short, to-the-point videos help me stay in touch with the development of the software and imprint notions I haven't worked much with.
i don't mind bloom being moved to compositor (although it is objectively less convenient), what i do mind is that this bloom implementation is missing most of the controls of the previous implementation and, as you've observed, looks worse. :(
@ glare and bloom are two separate implementations. They added a bloom option to the glare node when they removed it from render settings. So yes, it moved. And yes, it has fewer controls.
For those who are working with composition nodes and would like to see the modifications in real time in your layout window, you must click on the arrow pointing down next to all the viewport options, there you need to select "Always" in the "Compositor" section. That way you do not need to render your image every time you want to see the modifications you are doing.
It's uniform this way. Although bloom under EEVEE was convenient, now it is unified in a single solution, not two different things which had nothing to do the one with the other. And seems the compositor can work in real time now as well.
I liked them being seperate because they looked different and i didnt need to render to see the full preview. Just adds a step in my motiongraphics eevee animations now and i have to render just to actually know what itll look like.
Interesting. To be honest, I didn't even know about the Bloom setting in Render Properties, I found it in the compositor nodes first and have always done it that way.
Thanks for the tip! However, what I am missing is seeing the bloom effect in the viewport as I work on the model. Is there a workaround for that? The view node is nice but it doesn't allow to see it from different angles.
And yes the bool and glare is the place of the picture editing not for 3D modeling, yes but for games, I think that stay there from the period of when Blender is made to be a Game engine
@@graphguy sorry but this is a very entitled stance to have. Blender is free software, they don't "need" your opinion before they change things. Most users probably haven't donated meaningfully to the foundation nor contributed any development time. Scattering random features makes for disorganized development. By adding it to compositing it likely streamlined things for them as well. I appreciate Grant providing a helpful video showing us the new way going forward
How do you move the small yellow dots. If I try to move them they just make a new line out and ask to add a new node. So I guess I have to hold some key before dragging with the left mouse?
Hi. Thanks for sharing this great material. I was wondering if I need to tweak the node to make the background transparent and apply animation render, but compositing is not applied. It seems to say to use alpha over node, but can you tell me specifically how to do that?
Ok but... i still want the Bloom option back 😂, there is too much steps to follow up now to get the Bloom to work 😴, i didnt liked the changes, ill stick with the older versions of Blender for now... Thank you so much for the tutorial and for showing us how to do Bloom effect in this new version of Blender.
Does that mean the new bloom renders properly out with transparent backgrounds so it actually shows up? I remember in old Blender when you had bloom it was in the file but never showed up like when you did the same thing in other software.
I understand why but I’ve noticed that eevee lags and runs poorly on my souped up 4070 laptop so what was the point of all this? Why have cycles if you just turned eevee into cycles? All my renders will still take forever now anyways. Sticking to 4.1. What a disappointment
I've noticed some serious Eevee lag in 4.2.0 as well. That and the Glare node is not quite the equivalent of legacy Bloom (e.g. the Threshold response is pretty different, bringing non-emissive surfaces into the mix too early).
I'm not able to render the image with this effect. I'm finishing my mech on the "Blender Character Creator: Sculpt and Animate Your Own Characters" course at gamedev and I'm still not able to produce a render, I either get no effect at all or a black screen render.
How can i make it only glow on the objects in my scene taht has emission? It also adds the glow to objects that are overexposed. So i have like a building with a sun pointing at it, and at the corner of the building the sun is so bright it makes it overexpose, and when i add the glow node, it also makes the overexpose corner of my building glow, which i dont want, how can i fix taht?
In compositing, are there any ways to make it so that nodes are only isolated on the object I am adding bloom to? I want a glow on an object, but I dont want this glow on everything else in the scene. Oh and Fog Glow > Bloom 100%
With my current project I have already managed to get nearly identical results as cycles with Evee Next. I had also reduced my animation render time from 4 hours in cycles to 50 minutes then 20 in Evee. Maybe I'm biased but I think the results are gorgeous.
Dude this is a horrible change. I miss being able to click "bloom" and have everything look awesome right away. This is way more complicated than it needs to be
So annoying. And they have 0 intentions of putting that back into viewport (even tho you can get it to viewport after 5min of extra bs steps) Stil need to go to compositor to change settings. Uuuugh
No, it isn't straight forward. Straight forward was the checkbox for "Bloom".
That’s an insane amount of steps for something fairly essential to renders. And it’s something that you want to be able to evaluate, in a scene, before rendering.
You can view the compositorin the viewport now
@@grabbitt Indeed, I saw your video on it after I commented this. But still, I find it odd that such a basic function of rendering is tucked away like a niche technical feature. (By the way, I LOVE your tutorials. They've gotten me actually able to use Blender and make fun art!)
They shouldn't force us to use the compositor. Slows production.
This, I think they removed the bloom option to force us to use compositing, they should encourage the use of compositing by "adding" new features or so, not like this
eh, the glare option is arguably more versatile than what bloom was, it's a little annoying at first but i dont think it's a big deal
If using cycles, you have to use the compositor to add glow anyway.
@MattSigmaX in Cycles. It was just easier to get a visual in real-time with Eevee. It's not a deal breaker. Just *sigh*
Thank you, Grant, for these videos about Blender 4.2. I'm taking baby steps to learn the craft alongside my day job. These short, to-the-point videos help me stay in touch with the development of the software and imprint notions I haven't worked much with.
After years without using blender, I was shocked to see this improvements.
Blender is not like a game anymore! it feels like a real software.
i don't mind bloom being moved to compositor (although it is objectively less convenient), what i do mind is that this bloom implementation is missing most of the controls of the previous implementation and, as you've observed, looks worse. :(
its not moved there. It was just removed from the render settings. The glare node was allways there.
@ glare and bloom are two separate implementations. They added a bloom option to the glare node when they removed it from render settings. So yes, it moved. And yes, it has fewer controls.
For those who are working with composition nodes and would like to see the modifications in real time in your layout window, you must click on the arrow pointing down next to all the viewport options, there you need to select "Always" in the "Compositor" section. That way you do not need to render your image every time you want to see the modifications you are doing.
It's uniform this way. Although bloom under EEVEE was convenient, now it is unified in a single solution, not two different things which had nothing to do the one with the other. And seems the compositor can work in real time now as well.
I have been waiting for real time compositing for ages so this update has made me a happy bunny.
I liked them being seperate because they looked different and i didnt need to render to see the full preview.
Just adds a step in my motiongraphics eevee animations now and i have to render just to actually know what itll look like.
@@kylejennings819you don't need to render, you can activate the viewport compositor to have the same effect as before
It’s slower this way. 😑
@@eobet is two more clicks
I hate it >.< I used Bloom instead of Glare because it was easier not to get lost in the compositor x.x
I usually have a bloom node in my compositor on my default Blender instance.
How? @@reaganmonkey8
@@reaganmonkey8hadn’t done it yet but yeah makes sense to do it once how you like and then reuse the network asset for your own, well, glowing work 💡
That was dumb of the devs to remove.
1 dimensional thinking
I thought the same at first, but after knowing how it works I prefer it.
Many thanks for this simple and direct demonstration of the 4.2 "bloom" technique. 👍
Big thanks for sharing the new method! It will take some time to get used to doing this, or maybe I will write a script for the setup!
I spent the whole day searching, and the second day too, how to make a glow in version 4.2.🙏😇 Thanks a lot!!!! ❤
Oml , u dont know how much this helped
Thank you so much, very helpful!!
Wow, thank you that help! Sometimes I ask myself how people figure things like that out :D
BLESS YOU SIR!
Interesting. To be honest, I didn't even know about the Bloom setting in Render Properties, I found it in the compositor nodes first and have always done it that way.
Thank you very much for a wonderful lesson! 👍
Thanks for the tip! However, what I am missing is seeing the bloom effect in the viewport as I work on the model. Is there a workaround for that? The view node is nice but it doesn't allow to see it from different angles.
Yes it's available in the viewport option do down
Thanks, Grant. I was thinking on why my non-emission objects glow as well. I forgot to play with the Treshold
So much for accessibility and ease of use.
And yes the bool and glare is the place of the picture editing not for 3D modeling, yes but for games, I think that stay there from the period of when Blender is made to be a Game engine
2:07 Bloom in Compositing Node Starts
Waiting for the addon to do all this. 😂
Unfortunately this is not imporeved features. Previous bloom effect was perfect. I hate compositor nodes. Because you can not see the result quickly.
Agreed
B3D developers need to submit proposed changes to users for evaluation with their justification.
the compositor is actually very quick now
Yeah it's quite faster than before 😊 @@grabbitt
@@graphguy sorry but this is a very entitled stance to have. Blender is free software, they don't "need" your opinion before they change things. Most users probably haven't donated meaningfully to the foundation nor contributed any development time. Scattering random features makes for disorganized development. By adding it to compositing it likely streamlined things for them as well. I appreciate Grant providing a helpful video showing us the new way going forward
Stop taking away features 😡
this was so helpful thanks
Thank you a million!!
Many thanks for sharing!!
Thanks for good lesson
Thank you!! I don't understand why they made this change though.
Gem 💎 Buckle up team🤣🤣 Blender going full node mode 🧮
Thanks!!
thanks
I miss having bloom viewable in the viewport. I often take pictures and animate in the viewport....
ty❤
Having to create nodes is rediculus!!!
All u had to do before is just click on BLOOM!!
Eevee next is the standard now? You don’t have to find it in the options?
No
I MADE IT TO HIGHLIGHTS NO WAYYYY (this is MSI btw)
THANK YOU SO MUCHH!!!!!
How do you move the small yellow dots. If I try to move them they just make a new line out and ask to add a new node. So I guess I have to hold some key before dragging with the left mouse?
And this is why 3d softwares are hard, they update at light speed. Some artist still use photoshop cs6
why the heck they get rid the Bloom checkbox :(
Hi. Thanks for sharing this great material. I was wondering if I need to tweak the node to make the background transparent and apply animation render, but compositing is not applied. It seems to say to use alpha over node, but can you tell me specifically how to do that?
You can just make the background transparent in the render settings which should work fine
Good to know... I was wondering what was this bloom thing everyone was talking about...
would love to see you make a halo mega bloks action figure people never do how to on acton figures
1:49 I cant fricking get past it, how do i join them together
why they removed something super simple and quick?! I swear somethings blender drives me crazy!
Well guess I'll just add this compositor setup to my new default startup file so I don't need to do this every time
Ok but... i still want the Bloom option back 😂, there is too much steps to follow up now to get the Bloom to work 😴, i didnt liked the changes, ill stick with the older versions of Blender for now...
Thank you so much for the tutorial and for showing us how to do Bloom effect in this new version of Blender.
is there a way of bloom only effecting certain objects or colours in the scene?
Maybe you can render using different layers or play with the threshold
Does that mean the new bloom renders properly out with transparent backgrounds so it actually shows up? I remember in old Blender when you had bloom it was in the file but never showed up like when you did the same thing in other software.
i think so yes
Blender team made a dumb decision.
Looks like you have more control doing it this way, maybe. Blooming Heck 😂
i never use the compositior and this is tedious.
i NEED the bloom to be visible in the viewport not just in the render result
what key u press tp get viewers tab? shift 8? add?
what?? so now we cant have realtime bloom in the viewport anymore?
Won’t render out for me? I am wanting to use transparent background. Any workaround as need it with transparent BG for VFX purposes.
Make sure your output node is hooked up as well as the viewer node
@ thanks for replying Grant. Don’t think it works with transparent BG.
I would wait under the render is 100% done then switch to composite mode in the render output
I hate that they moved it
I understand why but I’ve noticed that eevee lags and runs poorly on my souped up 4070 laptop so what was the point of all this? Why have cycles if you just turned eevee into cycles? All my renders will still take forever now anyways. Sticking to 4.1. What a disappointment
I've noticed some serious Eevee lag in 4.2.0 as well. That and the Glare node is not quite the equivalent of legacy Bloom (e.g. the Threshold response is pretty different, bringing non-emissive surfaces into the mix too early).
I'm not able to render the image with this effect. I'm finishing my mech on the "Blender Character Creator: Sculpt and Animate Your Own Characters" course at gamedev and I'm still not able to produce a render, I either get no effect at all or a black screen render.
Make sure your output is hooked up as well as the viewer
Does it work in Render Animation?
yes make sure you have it hooked up to the output node
for some reason when I go back to layout it does not show the glow (im a beginner so Im barely know much)
You must turn on "in viewport" in options
All these steps when the previous versions had a checkbox
i cant see the bloom effect on layout can someone help
How can i make it only glow on the objects in my scene taht has emission? It also adds the glow to objects that are overexposed. So i have like a building with a sun pointing at it, and at the corner of the building the sun is so bright it makes it overexpose, and when i add the glow node, it also makes the overexpose corner of my building glow, which i dont want, how can i fix taht?
change the threshold
@@grabbitt Thanks
Why it's not work when am render in Animation 😥😥?
see other comment
And how to enable it in viewport?
See my other video on this
Ally my objects have glare now - how to isolate to the object?
Layers
@@grabbitt I'lll try that tonight, thank you
@@grabbitt subscribed thanks
Replace a one click option with so many steps it needs a 3+ minutes tutorial video to know how to set up... one of the rare screw ups of the dev team
In compositing, are there any ways to make it so that nodes are only isolated on the object I am adding bloom to?
I want a glow on an object, but I dont want this glow on everything else in the scene.
Oh and Fog Glow > Bloom 100%
You can create layers
@@grabbitt Much appreciated! Keep up the great work
did add ons Scatter object in Blender 4.2 deleted?
check my other videos on changes to blender 4
It does not work for me. The object has emission but does not glow. Can anyone explain?
have you hooked it up correctly
Im so confused i done this the other day and it worked but now it doesnt work for me it doesnt glow
Could be the threshold. Or not hooked up to the viewer node
its anouying that it removed from eevee menu
Well thank god I used Cycles, EEVEE just looks more and more like a nightmare as each update rolls out.
WTF is wrong blender, before all I had to do is click a button on the side now I have to do all this crap. I’m never updating again
🙏
video: how to get bloom in blender 4.2 the video:DONT PICK BLOOM PICK FOGGG-
Give me back my bloom effects in render panel :(
Is anyone else as frustrated with this new version as I am????
With my current project I have already managed to get nearly identical results as cycles with Evee Next. I had also reduced my animation render time from 4 hours in cycles to 50 minutes then 20 in Evee. Maybe I'm biased but I think the results are gorgeous.
This blender is focused on RTX 3000 and 4000 video cards. If you have 2000 and 1000 series you will have a lot of problems creating bloom.
Why is Blender org making some of these things harder?
there's no glare node
Under filters
still not in a sane place like material properties
"Eevee Next is better" yeah no, it's a general downgrade and just clunkier AND runs much worse all for what? Half working ray tracing?
Dude this is a horrible change. I miss being able to click "bloom" and have everything look awesome right away. This is way more complicated than it needs to be
Ok, bye Blender.
Ugh
Why easy when you can do it 1000x more complicated....
So annoying. And they have 0 intentions of putting that back into viewport (even tho you can get it to viewport after 5min of extra bs steps) Stil need to go to compositor to change settings. Uuuugh
What about Realtime?... This is not an improvement.
that's been with us since 4.1 you can go to the viewport shading settings
@@grabbitt I can't find anything for bloom settings in the viewport, have you a handy screenshot of what I'm looking for ?..
@@jasonhall8882 now doing a video releasing it tomorrow
thanks. i hate it
i think these blender developers are kinda sick a click of a button then you say its pretty straight forward..... really to me its pretty dumb!
This is the worst change to ever happen to Blender
wow that is ABSOLUTELY horrible, wtf are they doing
I hate 4.2 so much
What is this😮
Its so bad😤
Ah yes finally! We now have 2 Cycle render engines!!
Old one was better, if we wanted better Renders we could always go to Cycles you know.
compositor is heavy as hell. the old bloom didnt affect the render time even if the bloom make your eyes blind. I hate this 🥲🥲
It's very quick these days