• Gary Ewing (Ted Shackelford) became a successful divorce lawyer who was never married, and thus never had J.R.’s niece Lucy (Charlene Tilton). However, he still meets Valene Clements (Joan Van Ark) - in this universe, Valene Wallace - who is seeking an inheritance from her late husband’s estate. They agree to go on a date together, hinting that Gary and Val always destined to meet.
This whole episode was like going on a trip through The Twilight Zone. Jr is running around like a confused crazy man not knowing what is going on. Great writing. Like "what if JR never existed", who woulda thunk? lol
It was fitting that Gary and Val being destiny happened in this particular season and series finale of Dallas because at this same time on Knots Landing (which was in it's 12th season), they had finally reunited and remarried after being apart for many years.
If JR was never born, that means that Sid Fairgate is still alive in knots Landing and Abby probably isn’t as wealthy. How things would be different if JR never existed.
JR Ewing is one of the most complex characters in the villain category. JR.. like all multilayered . narcissistic self serving. But at no time was he ever truly evil. It was shown on multiple occasions with his genuine love for Jock Ellie Bobby and Sue Ellen. Especially Bobby. He often placed them in harm's way with his selfish needs. But at the end of the day he always chose them over himself. Bobby was the favorite of the Ewing patriarchy. Much of who JR was forged with constantly looking for Jocks approval in proving himself in the Ewing oil business. Ruthless to JR equalled Daddy and he was all about earning Daddy's love. His personality masked deep hurts and disappointments. And complex emotional dynamics. He was jealous of Bobby being the favorite. But he also worshipped him and would swim through sharks for him. Textbook love/hate. And Sue Ellen.... she was the only woman JR truly ever loved. As much as he was capable of loving any woman he DID love Sue Ellen. When Sue Ellen ended up on skid row and he saw her in the drunk tank it was clear it devastated him. His eyes were full of tears and he HATED the very thought of men crying. The loves of his life were Jock Bobby and Sue Ellen. No one else came close. Again as much as he could love anyone he loved them. Outside of villainous Angelica Nero the most truly evil character was Cliff Barnes. Cliff was willing to kill his own daughter to advance his own ends. JR would NEVER have done that. It was too bad with this episode that once JR discovered the true nature of his spirit guide that...instead of killing himself...he didn't see the positive impact that his presence in the lives of those he truly loved had on them. Especially with Bobby.
Some people are saying in this timeline without JR, Knots Landing stories wouldn't happen. Not true, the major stuff would find a way; somehow: -Without Gary, Sid would still be alive. His daughter Annie from ep 1 would return eventually as the young trouble-maker. -Sid's uncle would still die (much sooner in Season 3) and leave them Lotus Point in her inheritance. Abby would contest it to try to gain sole ownership, thus kick-starting her backstabbing business rise. She hates Karen, but still gives her kidney to Diana, thus Sid forgives her. Karen butts heads with Sid about Abby, saying she's evil. Sid argues Abby still has moral fibre and never cheated with anyone; Karen says, "That's just because Abby hasn't met the right married man yet!" -Laura & Richard's story still happens. So do Kenny & Ginger, but Kenny has an affair with Annie (see above). -Mack would be involved with the younger attorney he works with, Jill Bennett! He comes to Knots to investigate Wolfbridge, which Abby was caught in. This also links to Mack's politician friend, Sumner. Soon, everyone is connected 1 way or another. Wolfbridge tries to kill Mack, but the shooter kills Sid instead (instead of shooting Karen in the real show). -Abby hates Jill for investigating her. Mack leaves Jill for Karen, and Jill goes crazy and forces Karen to swallow sleeping pills. Jill dies in Mack's car trunk. -Greg marries Laura, and Mack marries Karen, then his unknown daughter Paige arrives. Abby and her 90210 son Brian move to Japan. -In Dallas from the above video, Gary marries Val, who then becomes an author. Val gets pregnant and twins are common in her family, but she has triplets: Bobby, Betsy, and Lucy! -Gary gets sick of the corrupt law business, and wants to invest in clean energy in California. -Valene gets a writing opportunity to write the biography of former politician Greg Sumner, so Miss Ellie buys them a house on Seaview Circle and they move to Knots Landing! -Karen and Val become instant best friends; so do Mack & Gary. -The Cul-de-sac little kids are all friends: The Ewing triplets, adopted Meg Mackenzie, Olivia & Harold's son Danny (who loves swimming in the pool!), and Eric & Linda's son Joshua. -In the series finale, Karen is shocked to see Abby move back. Abby says hello and says, "Seems like old times!". Then her eyes widen when she sees Gary for the 1st time, and Karen realizes that Abby has just met the right married man...
Gary and Val were truly soulmates, though they met in a different timeline. Gary was lucky to have his soulmate, though JR tore them apart and took Lucy from them before they reunited. Jock and JR mistreated Gary because he was more like his mother Miss Ellie, she said Gary "was a Southfork among Ewings"; he was not interested in the oil business, he was more interested in the family home and wanted to be either a writer or an artist.
They were soul mates. I know who my soul mate is and hope I can make amends. My parents had a lot of marital problems. He had a mistress and another son, but those two put that aside and got closer. I think we'd fit on Knots or Dallas
It wasn't really intended to be the final episode, just a special season finale. The show was actually cancelled shortly after wrapping this episode, so it served as the finale.
Linda Downs All these little vignettes, including this one, were all things that supposedly would have happened had J.R. never been around. I thought it was an interesting diversion/grain of salt soap opera moment myself--not quite what I was expecting from a Dallas finale, but I went along with it. I've seen worse finales.
I dont think he really ever hated them. He was jealous of them because they could've been a real threat to him in terms of getting Ewing Oil. In which All the boys have shares in the company. And they're children as well.
@brandill Joel Grey-won sup actor Oscar for Cabaret. His daughter was Jennifer Grey-Ferris Bueller's sister. She starred in Dirty Dancing. She got a nose job--it totally changed her face & ruined her career!
Wow gary sure got lucky in this episode when he met valene yeah I love valenes hair in this conundrum episode and jr was a weasel my favorite character was definitely Bobby I nicknamed him sugar omg he was drop dead gorgeous wasn't had such a crush on Bobby aka Patrick Duffy so sexy and still is a 73 heck yeah
What a terrible storyline to end an amazing and groundbreaking show. This story was crass and boring. Dallas should of went out with just as much fan fare and excitement as the show was in its hay day
The best way to have ended wouldn’t have been a cliffhanger, it should have been the way they did in the first Dallas movie, JR pulling off a scheme to get the whole Ewing clan to reunite, and him and Sue Ellen could have ended up together.
Obvious in this storyline gary and val did end up together. Her voice sounding so sexy must ve led to a passionate relationship and maybe eventually married
Wow! Gary met his soulmate in Ms. Valene, who was a widow at the time, and everything.
Guys, this was what was shown to JR to show what would have happened if he was never born. This actually wasn't how they met.
I didn’t care for the mysterious gunshot ending of the finale, but I did appreciate the difference of perspective during the Conundrum finale episode
Gotcha
Gary and Val .. my favorite Ewings!!! ❤❤❤
Mine too
How poetic. Serve JR right if Gary married Valene here and lived happily ever after!
James Hendrick so mean to poor ole JR
Lol would that mean they'd eventually have Lucy?
@@peteandurnot And Bobby and Beth (the twins)
Exactly 💯
• Gary Ewing (Ted Shackelford) became a successful divorce lawyer who was never married, and thus never had J.R.’s niece Lucy (Charlene Tilton). However, he still meets Valene Clements (Joan Van Ark) - in this universe, Valene Wallace - who is seeking an inheritance from her late husband’s estate. They agree to go on a date together, hinting that Gary and Val always destined to meet.
Would be unimaginable to think of a Ewing family, without a Lucy Ewing
This whole episode was like going on a trip through The Twilight Zone. Jr is running around like a confused crazy man not knowing what is going on. Great writing. Like "what if JR never existed", who woulda thunk? lol
Soulmates always...Val and Gary!!!
Wow!! Joan looks amazing in this scene. She is on fire here🔥🔥
We weren't used to seeing her like this compared to on Knots Landing.
She looks shocking. Dressed beautifully but looks like a deer caught in headlights
Wow...This is pretty cool. Great story line. Having been a huge Knots Landing fan, this is such a delight,
Sad as that means Val never met Karen
It was fitting that Gary and Val being destiny happened in this particular season and series finale of Dallas because at this same time on Knots Landing (which was in it's 12th season), they had finally reunited and remarried after being apart for many years.
Exactly 💯
Val And Gary are Soulmates!!!!💕💕💕💕
80s & 90s Primetime Nightsoaps,Are The Best 💯
1:07 MacKenzie. Was this an inside joke on Knots ?
willisapril yes
In the Mid 80's the producers of Dallas Made JR character more of a Buffoon instead of the Rich Ruthless Double crossing oilman he was
When JR got Ewing Oil back from Jeremey Wendell that was the JR's last real win.
If JR was never born, that means that Sid Fairgate is still alive in knots Landing and Abby probably isn’t as wealthy. How things would be different if JR never existed.
Yes Karen would never meet Mac and there would be no Paige or Sumner in Knots nor would Abby be rich.
When I first saw this, I didn't understand the significance of "I don't drink, I never have."
So Gary was a lawyer before , how did he end up selling cars 🚗 in California?
This is J.R.'s dream of being shown what would lives be like if J.R. never existed.
Gary and Val it was meant to be.
I wonder if Ester McKenzie was a sister, or some relation of Mac's?
I thought it was an inside joke when Gary said MacKenzie
JR Ewing is one of the most complex characters in the villain category. JR..
like all multilayered . narcissistic self serving. But at no time was he ever truly evil. It was shown on multiple occasions with his genuine love for Jock Ellie Bobby and Sue Ellen. Especially Bobby. He often placed them in harm's way with his selfish needs. But at the end of the day he always chose them over himself.
Bobby was the favorite of the Ewing patriarchy. Much of who JR was forged with constantly looking for Jocks approval in proving himself in the Ewing oil business. Ruthless to JR equalled Daddy and he was all about earning Daddy's love. His personality masked deep hurts and disappointments. And complex emotional dynamics. He was jealous of Bobby being the favorite. But he also worshipped him and would swim through sharks for him. Textbook love/hate.
And Sue Ellen.... she was the only woman JR truly ever loved. As much as he was capable of loving any woman he DID love Sue Ellen. When Sue Ellen ended up on skid row and he saw her in the drunk tank it was clear it devastated him. His eyes were full of tears and he HATED the very thought of men crying. The loves of his life were Jock Bobby and Sue Ellen. No one else came close. Again as much as he could love anyone he loved them.
Outside of villainous Angelica Nero the most truly evil character was Cliff Barnes. Cliff was willing to kill his own daughter to advance his own ends. JR would NEVER have done that.
It was too bad with this episode that once JR discovered the true nature of his spirit guide that...instead of killing himself...he didn't see the positive impact that his presence in the lives of those he truly loved had on them. Especially with Bobby.
Gary "Don't drink, never had!!"....lol
He had no reason to. Jr wasn't born or never existed. Jr and Jock was the cause of him drinking because he felt that he wsn't good enough
Faith Watkins Sounds like rationalization.
Faith Watkins In this scenario Jock pit Gary in charge of Ewing Oil, which he clearly wasn’t up to. That could have caused him to drink.
Gary being drunk on Knots was clasic
Some people are saying in this timeline without JR, Knots Landing stories wouldn't happen.
Not true, the major stuff would find a way; somehow:
-Without Gary, Sid would still be alive. His daughter Annie from ep 1 would return eventually as the young trouble-maker.
-Sid's uncle would still die (much sooner in Season 3) and leave them Lotus Point in her inheritance. Abby would contest it to try to gain sole ownership, thus kick-starting her backstabbing business rise. She hates Karen, but still gives her kidney to Diana, thus Sid forgives her.
Karen butts heads with Sid about Abby, saying she's evil. Sid argues Abby still has moral fibre and never cheated with anyone; Karen says, "That's just because Abby hasn't met the right married man yet!"
-Laura & Richard's story still happens. So do Kenny & Ginger, but Kenny has an affair with Annie (see above).
-Mack would be involved with the younger attorney he works with, Jill Bennett! He comes to Knots to investigate Wolfbridge, which Abby was caught in. This also links to Mack's politician friend, Sumner. Soon, everyone is connected 1 way or another.
Wolfbridge tries to kill Mack, but the shooter kills Sid instead (instead of shooting Karen in the real show).
-Abby hates Jill for investigating her. Mack leaves Jill for Karen, and Jill goes crazy and forces Karen to swallow sleeping pills. Jill dies in Mack's car trunk.
-Greg marries Laura, and Mack marries Karen, then his unknown daughter Paige arrives. Abby and her 90210 son Brian move to Japan.
-In Dallas from the above video, Gary marries Val, who then becomes an author. Val gets pregnant and twins are common in her family, but she has triplets: Bobby, Betsy, and Lucy!
-Gary gets sick of the corrupt law business, and wants to invest in clean energy in California.
-Valene gets a writing opportunity to write the biography of former politician Greg Sumner, so Miss Ellie buys them a house on Seaview Circle and they move to Knots Landing!
-Karen and Val become instant best friends; so do Mack & Gary.
-The Cul-de-sac little kids are all friends: The Ewing triplets, adopted Meg Mackenzie, Olivia & Harold's son Danny (who loves swimming in the pool!), and Eric & Linda's son Joshua.
-In the series finale, Karen is shocked to see Abby move back. Abby says hello and says, "Seems like old times!". Then her eyes widen when she sees Gary for the 1st time, and Karen realizes that Abby has just met the right married man...
Gary and Val were truly soulmates, though they met in a different timeline. Gary was lucky to have his soulmate, though JR tore them apart and took Lucy from them before they reunited. Jock and JR mistreated Gary because he was more like his mother Miss Ellie, she said Gary "was a Southfork among Ewings"; he was not interested in the oil business, he was more interested in the family home and wanted to be either a writer or an artist.
I never watched Knotts Landing. What did it mean when Val said that she didn't like French?
Meant nothing. She just didn’t like French food. Not sure why she said that.
If JR didn’t exist Gary never would’ve become an alcoholic.
Dallas & Knots Landing Are The Best 💯 Period
And when Gary and Val step out of the office, they see Abby in the lobby making goo-goo eyes at Gary. 😂
Ted Shackelford played Gery Ewing from 1979-1980Joan Van Ark. Played Valene Ewing 1978-1980 they both return to Dallas for the series ending
They were soul mates. I know who my soul mate is and hope I can make amends. My parents had a lot of marital problems. He had a mistress and another son, but those two put that aside and got closer. I think we'd fit on Knots or Dallas
If JR is never born, then the entire series of Knots Landing doesnt happen
And first time scene the dream season that these two shows have crossed paths..!!....XD And Gary being a lawyer was that taken from Jill..??..XD
This was such a joke of a final episode. It didn't come close to doing the series justice.
Most disappointing series finale..Knots did an excellent job...then the ending with JR shooting himself apparently???
btez31 It was sad it was so horrible. I’m surprised Larry didn’t refuse.
The whole series became a joke after Season 9 was discarded as Pam's dream. I gave up after Season 10.
@@daveb.4460 Larry and Patrick apparently did not particularly like it either.
It wasn't really intended to be the final episode, just a special season finale. The show was actually cancelled shortly after wrapping this episode, so it served as the finale.
I thought they met in school when they were teenagers? And had Lucy? This is Confusing!!!
Linda Downs All these little vignettes, including this one, were all things that supposedly would have happened had J.R. never been around. I thought it was an interesting diversion/grain of salt soap opera moment myself--not quite what I was expecting from a Dallas finale, but I went along with it. I've seen worse finales.
J.R.hated his brothers Gary & Ray, his sister in lawsValene, Pam and anyone who stood up to him.
He liked Jenna and Abby
willisapril He adored Jenna, & he respected Ann. Who is Abby?
@@daveb.4460 Gary's wife played by Donna Mills. You really didn't know ?
I dont think he really ever hated them. He was jealous of them because they could've been a real threat to him in terms of getting Ewing Oil. In which All the boys have shares in the company. And they're children as well.
He didn’t like Donna, but he respected her as a formidable adversary.
Wasn’t that ghost guy in a movie called Cabaret?
@brandill Joel Grey-won sup actor Oscar for Cabaret. His daughter was Jennifer Grey-Ferris Bueller's sister. She starred in Dirty Dancing. She got a nose job--it totally changed her face & ruined her career!
Val and Gary. The original Kate and Leo.
Wow Gary is human being in JR'S dream🤣
Did Gary and Val ever end up together or did he end up Abby?
Gary and Val ended up together for real on Knots Landing.
@@drlee2 eventually........
They end up together just don't watch the TNT reboot.
Wow gary sure got lucky in this episode when he met valene yeah I love valenes hair in this conundrum episode and jr was a weasel my favorite character was definitely Bobby I nicknamed him sugar omg he was drop dead gorgeous wasn't had such a crush on Bobby aka Patrick Duffy so sexy and still is a 73 heck yeah
JVA good with bringing back the Tennessee accent
Even in J R.'s conundrum he's sober
This episode was interestingly confusing and odd, in all different ways.
This was like the intro to some low budget 80’s porno scene 😂
Abby didn't exist in this cool.
Abby was the home wrecker whore on Knotts Landing.
Yeah that why I said it is cool that there is no Abby.
it just means Gary never met Abby and Sid would probably still be alive and be married to Karen and never had met Mac.
This is giving me Scrooge vibes. 😆👻
JR not even good dead....why am I surprised 🙄
What a terrible storyline to end an amazing and groundbreaking show. This story was crass and boring. Dallas should of went out with just as much fan fare and excitement as the show was in its hay day
The best way to have ended wouldn’t have been a cliffhanger, it should have been the way they did in the first Dallas movie, JR pulling off a scheme to get the whole Ewing clan to reunite, and him and Sue Ellen could have ended up together.
@@a.b.s_productions I agree, we could of got a more thrilling ending. With all the Ewing returning for one last mega story
Obvious in this storyline gary and val did end up together. Her voice sounding so sexy must ve led to a passionate relationship and maybe eventually married
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