Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias. For he wist not what to say; for they were sore afraid. And there was a cloud that overshadowed them: and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear ye him. And suddenly, when they had looked round about, they saw no man any more, save Jesus only with themselves.
i disagree with John Piper. i don't think God hurts us just so we can need him we hurt ourselves through sin and now we need God God does not send hurt and destruction our way but when it comes our way he is there to help don't get me wrong God will allow things to happen to us but he is not the one doing it.
DarbyLegacy Hmmmm... consider Israel in Jeremiah, Lamentations, Isaiah, Amos, Micah, Hosea, Ezekiel, and much more of the old testament where Israel walked away from God and He told them, "I am just, I will judge you for your sins and wipe you out, but I will restore you afterwards." Consider Paul who received a certain affliction he called "the thorn in his side" that God gave him to keep him humble. God is sovereign and Just, but not so easily understood. We trust He knows best, even when he tries us.
I don't think Piper would disagree with you. However, in light of nothing happening outside of the will of God and Him being sovereignly in control over all things I think there is a sense where he does will things to help us see our dependence. So, yes. In one sense He wills it, and in another sense He allows it. I would say both are true, even though they seem paradoxical.
Darby Trying not to seem antagonistic but you clearly don't know the Bible or perhaps, even more perilous, you're omitting intentionally what God's word says. If you're still around, it may be profitable to fill this space with the appropriate versus and contexts so that you may get a fuller understanding, but to say what you're saying is anti-biblical... this is reason for you to fear. To be sure, we are implicated and perpetrators in sin and evil, however, the Bible is replete with the exact opposite of what you're saying. God consistently wipes people out... at and as, part of his will. Thousands of people are constantly dying around the clock on this planet right now! ... and it is God's love that keeps back complete annihilation that is looming ominously and deservedly so... and without question, his love surrounds his people and it includes His chastening or else without it, the person is not his child. I'm saying this in this most sincerest earnestness... because if you were my own son, it would be imperative that you not believe the error that you're saying. Anyone that loves you , shows it by truth. Please do better for yourself than this.
Agree with you DarbyLegacy. Let the bible speak for itself without any presupposition and in time all will come to know the truly loving God. Count on HIM.
tacticalk9solutions from my understand no. John Piper has befriended him and discuss point of agreements rather than points of disagreements. Piper does not endorse Warren.
The truth is, no man has the ability in themselves. But the responsibility is still there for all. God gives this ability for those whom He will, those whom He predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son.
I love his charisma and his delivery. He’s definitely good at it. He hangs a lot with John Piper (one of preiment Calvinist). But brothers and sisters look deeper. They are Calvinist. Being such they believe that God predestined from before time the ones who would be saved called “the elect”. The rest He predestined to hell and eternal torment. The predestined are predestined from conception to go to hell or heaven. No grace for babies thief very rules of belief will not allow it. Predestined is from conception which means babies that die or are aborted that are off the “non elect” go to hell and are in torment. They deny the words of Christ out of his own mouth “For God so loved the WORLD thar He gave His only begotten Son so that WHOSOEVER believes on Him will have everlasting life”. Calvinist believe He only died for “the elect” not the world as he says. They also believe God hates because ususuing just one verse out of context to meaning “Jacob I loved, Esau I hated”. They can not say God loves you or God is Love in an evangelical way because God may not. You maybe the one predestined to hell whom He hates. Why evangelize the elect have already been chosen and the non elect are damned and can not change that. They believe God Condemns the non elect to eternal torment in order to show His Glory. Brothers, Sisters use discernment with these people. Let the Holy Spirit tell you of the mighty, marvelous, beautiful love of God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. My God is a God of love. He says in his word He wishes no one to Parrish. Jesus died for all. He truly Loves us like we can never even grasp with our human minds. Go and spread the love of Christ to all.
I love the way God uses Pastor John Piper! Thank God for these men!!!
Inspiring to hear men of God in open discussion.
Amen! What a great and insightful panel!
Amen
Love chan!
18:16 Chan is like "what did you just say?"
😂😂
these are my heroes!!! if I could get these guys up here with chuck missler and voddie baucham my life will be complete lol
That is too bad
Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias. For he wist not what to say; for they were sore afraid.
And there was a cloud that overshadowed them: and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear ye him.
And suddenly, when they had looked round about, they saw no man any more, save Jesus only with themselves.
i disagree with John Piper. i don't think God hurts us just so we can need him we hurt ourselves through sin and now we need God God does not send hurt and destruction our way but when it comes our way he is there to help don't get me wrong God will allow things to happen to us but he is not the one doing it.
DarbyLegacy Hmmmm... consider Israel in Jeremiah, Lamentations, Isaiah, Amos, Micah, Hosea, Ezekiel, and much more of the old testament where Israel walked away from God and He told them, "I am just, I will judge you for your sins and wipe you out, but I will restore you afterwards." Consider Paul who received a certain affliction he called "the thorn in his side" that God gave him to keep him humble. God is sovereign and Just, but not so easily understood. We trust He knows best, even when he tries us.
I don't think Piper would disagree with you. However, in light of nothing happening outside of the will of God and Him being sovereignly in control over all things I think there is a sense where he does will things to help us see our dependence. So, yes. In one sense He wills it, and in another sense He allows it. I would say both are true, even though they seem paradoxical.
God is lovingly sovereign. Everything He does to humble us is for His restorative purposes. It is not punitive in God’s intent.
Darby
Trying not to seem antagonistic but you clearly don't know the Bible or perhaps, even more perilous, you're omitting intentionally what God's word says. If you're still around, it may be profitable to fill this space with the appropriate versus and contexts so that you may get a fuller understanding, but to say what you're saying is anti-biblical... this is reason for you to fear. To be sure, we are implicated and perpetrators in sin and evil, however, the Bible is replete with the exact opposite of what you're saying. God consistently wipes people out... at and as, part of his will. Thousands of people are constantly dying around the clock on this planet right now! ... and it is God's love that keeps back complete annihilation that is looming ominously and deservedly so... and without question, his love surrounds his people and it includes His chastening or else without it, the person is not his child.
I'm saying this in this most sincerest earnestness... because if you were my own son, it would be imperative that you not believe the error that you're saying. Anyone that loves you , shows it by truth.
Please do better for yourself than this.
Agree with you DarbyLegacy. Let the bible speak for itself without any presupposition and in time all will come to know the truly loving God. Count on HIM.
What does he mean by "New Calvinism"?
Basically the resurgence of the depths of the Biblical doctrine of salvation which has been neglected by so many Arminian churches in the West.
Mohler? Where?
lol sitting next to Francis.
Is John Piper affiliated with Rick Warren ?
tacticalk9solutions from my understand no. John Piper has befriended him and discuss point of agreements rather than points of disagreements. Piper does not endorse Warren.
tacticalk9solutions Look up in RUclips for the Rick Warren / John Piper interview
Awesome group except for the cheap questions from moderator. Cmon brother you can do better. Get you’re engine running.
They weren't his questions. They were questions from the audience.
We all cant make that response because Jesus did not die for everyone, that's the belief of Calvinism
The truth is, no man has the ability in themselves. But the responsibility is still there for all. God gives this ability for those whom He will, those whom He predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son.
I love his charisma and his delivery. He’s definitely good at it. He hangs a lot with John Piper (one of preiment Calvinist). But brothers and sisters look deeper. They are Calvinist. Being such they believe that God predestined from before time the ones who would be saved called “the elect”. The rest He predestined to hell and eternal torment. The predestined are predestined from conception to go to hell or heaven. No grace for babies thief very rules of belief will not allow it. Predestined is from conception which means babies that die or are aborted that are off the “non elect” go to hell and are in torment. They deny the words of Christ out of his own mouth “For God so loved the WORLD thar He gave His only begotten Son so that WHOSOEVER believes on Him will have everlasting life”. Calvinist believe He only died for “the elect” not the world as he says. They also believe God hates because ususuing just one verse out of context to meaning “Jacob I loved, Esau I hated”. They can not say God loves you or God is Love in an evangelical way because God may not. You maybe the one predestined to hell whom He hates. Why evangelize the elect have already been chosen and the non elect are damned and can not change that. They believe God Condemns the non elect to eternal torment in order to show His Glory. Brothers, Sisters use discernment with these people. Let the Holy Spirit tell you of the mighty, marvelous, beautiful love of God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. My God is a God of love. He says in his word He wishes no one to Parrish. Jesus died for all. He truly Loves us like we can never even grasp with our human minds. Go and spread the love of Christ to all.
EVERY claim of knowledge about the creator of the universe is a lie, pure and simple. Desiring God? Sure, and Deceiving Man.
VenetianSnus. The Lord bless you to come to the knowledge of the truth. Reconciliation
Which is in itself a claim of knowledge, of course.
Lol !
I think maybe the laws of logic are suspended in Venice... relatively that is.