I would like to say a few more things on Zhongli’s end 1. Zhongli as a god is a great master of Geo. Not only did he create enormous Geo Spears bigger than mountains to seal Osial and many other gods, he also allegedly created many Geo Creatures. Among them are huge stone kites in the shape of birds that flew high and crashed down to seal or kill gods. He also created a huge Geo Whale to combat a Leviathan called the Baqiu. And in other cutscenes, he is shown with two big Geo hands beneath him. And apparently, he made small Geo cages to seal away small creepy creatures that infested Liyue Harbor, and are also the reason why he hates sea food. 2. Zhongli is not only the god of Geo, but the Prime Adeptus, or in other translations, “The Progenitor Of The Adepti”. As the Prime Adeptus, he is a master of all types of Adepti Arts. Madame Ping even says that he teaches and gifts many Adepti arts to other Adepti. Though he doesn’t show it, he still performed a few Adepti arts even as a mortal. Some of his Adepti Arts include the ability to make a Divine Prediction to guide Liyue in the future, he can see and walk into people’s dreams and converse with them, he can give eyes to blind dragons, can shape shift to and from a dragon, a human and to a mix of Liyue’s oldest creatures. And Madame Ping says that Sub-Space Creation, the ability to create pocket realms, is also a gift from him to the Adepti. And even the Adepti say that this ability isn’t anything to boast about and is child’s play to them. And those are just some of the Adepti Arts he can do. I’m sure he taught the Adepti other arts, like Xiao’s ability to summon someone’s spirit from their sleep. 3. I know you kinda covered Zhongli’s strength, but i wanna point out a few more things. According to Madame Ping, Zhongli once lifted and moved entire mountains and seas. And Ping and the other Adepti call that a demonstration of true power, which is superior to Sub-Space Creation. And in the lore of Aerosiderite, he fought an Abyssal Leviathan, and killed it. And this was a feat thought to be impossible for other gods that came from the same origins as Zhongli. And the lore continues to say that only power beyond Teyvat can stain the power of Rex Lapis. P.S: I know some of y’all might think some of these types of informations could be another case of Liyue overhyping Rex Lapis’ feats, but these pieces of lore make no mention of people talking about it. It’s factual lore made by the Mihoyo themselves. They aren’t those made up or overhyped stories specifically told by storytellers in the game.
Also Zhongli is by far the oldest god, since he has been worshipped for that long it makes no sense if he isn't the strongest god, that would contradict Mihoyo's own world building.
@@AndrewManook True. He has been worshiped for over 3,700 years, and even after his death is still worshiped. And worship = power for an Archon. He should be at the very least one of the strongest Archons
@@gabrielaarons6102 Gods power can't depends on people, but maybe only Venti need people faith. Zhongli power are indeed mysterious, he may know much about powers others gods used before Archons war.
@@Alex-vv2ud Both Venti and Nahida confirm that the people’s faith gives an Archon a boost in power. Zhongli’s people have immense faith in him for over 3,700 years
Even though Zhongli doesn't show the ability to create domains himself, the adepti have shown thier ability to create them. Ping even gives us one. It wouldn't be too much of a stretch to say that the prime of the adepti also can make these spaces.
@@aminulhussain2277 I know that they are separate entities, but they have the same avatar, a product of irmunsul, eventually Nahida would grow up physically and will look exactly like Rukkadevata.
@@idontspeakjapanese6289 for me it's still zhongli tho, zhongli in archon war is just so BADASSS, like bro... He's so cool... That's my opinion tho and I can also see why you like nahida
Something that never sat right with me is how Venti says that the strength of an archons power comes from being present in the nation and because he is rarely present in Mondstat, he is the weakest archon, but he’s literally like the ONLY person who said that. Nahida says that the strength of an archon’s power comes from how much they’re worshipped (therefore, she’s not the strongest) and if that’s the case, Venti would definitely be incredibly powerful considering there’s a whole CHURCH devoted to him (something we haven’t seen in other nations yet).
Honestly, my theory is that Venti said that in regards to the Gnoses. Venti is known to be somewhat a liar in the sense that he sneakily omits stuff, but for the most part he does tell the truth in the end. Considering how Celestia gave the Archons their Gnoses, it makes sense that the power they gain from them are connected through how much they rule over their nations. This would also imply that Venti didn't receive much strength from his Gnosis, which seems to be fairly accurate. Him and Ei are the only ones unaffected by the loss of their Gnoses. Ei straight up had Yae protect her Gnosis because she didn't want it. As for Venti, he did heal at Vennessa's tree, but we also know that he got affected by Dvalin's corruption, and his Gnosis was yanked out of him. He didn't lose any ability from the loss of the Gnosis like how Zhongli can't produce mora or Nahida can't keep up the Akasha Terminal. Therefore, I feel like any God in general gains strength from belief (Venti actually canonically has since he was able to form his little elf body after the Gunnhildrs believed in him) while the Archons also receive a power boost from their Gnosis based on how much they rule over their nation.
What bothers me the most is that none of the archons we've seen has actually ruled over their nation. Venti is an absent god. But zhongli didn't rule over liyue, the qixing and adepti manage the nation while he only blessed the land once a year. Ei shutted herself into the plane of euthymia and left a puppet to rule for her. And nahida was unable to rule for 500 years.
If we think about it the four winds share the authority of barbatos in the land, also it's possible it's the two of them which is how many people are devoted to him and their presence in thei nation
plus his lore when he just a wind spirit. when the gunnhildr clan got kick out in old mondstadt they literally pray to survive since the cold harsh wind of andrius might kill them then the wind spirit answer for they prayers. it use their faith to create a shelter for them then the rebellion happened. and the sumero windglider description it literally say's people pray to barbatos to able to glide safe. venti is really jesus bruh!!!
@@Xels_VT true, he and murata (pyro archon) are most likely to die, either by the hands of the top 3 harbingers or celestia. Because murata has the same name as honkai murata who sacrifice herself for the main protag and is even already confirmed to be a woman.
UPD: Venti's power is also connected with memories (He demonstrated this in a relatively recent Mondstadt's event in 3.1), Perhaps he can erase memories, because "Stanley" does not remember who Venti is (maybe alcohol also affected, but in any case, what can be granted can be also taken away) As a bonus: Even though Venti got caught stealing food at the dawn winery, none of the NPCs talks about it, not even Diluс
My personal take is that Anemo is a "tertiary" element, deriving its qualities from Cryo and Dendro. This gives Anemo associations to memories and time, as well as coldness and distance.
@@grapeyard1778 - someone who'll never spend a cent on this corrupt game. I will not support gacha. It's blatant gambling with no redeeming factors. Gacha is an excuse to not make a rewarding system that earns profits.
I'm wondering if Venti's fixing of the lyre was really a temperary time manipulation technique where he rewound the lyre's time to it's older form. Also he could still be awake because he wants to watch the Traveler
In Fontaine we may get to see some of Celestia’s power. They are hovering over Fontaine currently and something I noticed in the Travail trailer is that the structure behind the Fontaine characters shown kinda looks like a Celestial Nail. It even has a similar light around it like we see in game
Also Fontaine will probably be the first true case of another Archon being elected since Ei and Nahida were natural consequences of their predecessors… by how some NOCs and the Oceanid refers to her I’m pretty interested on the next Archon.
@@Armadan7 I don't think thats right. The character that spoke to us at the end of that Archon quest is unlikely to be the Duraandal expy from the leaks. Because from what the mysterious voice said to us, they know about the change in the Irminsul which means that the mysterious voice is either a descender or maybe even one of the shades. She might be the hydro archon but even the archons aren't excluded from the memory wipe/replacement.
YESS I wanna see Venti just go ham and start leveling a continent again like he did with Mondstadt but out of pure anger it has to be in his sexy archon outfit tho
@@boshlovely2002 It's not gonna happen since he practically abandoned his duties as an Archon. An Archon's power is based on how many worshippers they have and how effective they are at leading their nation. We all know Venti was just a tiny and weak wind spirit with little to no powers during the Archon war. He only gained a great power spike when he became an Archon and garnered more followers. Now that he turned his back on his duties, he's practically back to his original power level.
@@iloveplumpgrannies174 There's no way he lost all his powers cause he's still an archon. And he still has worshippers, just not as many as before. Also Nahida was locked up by the sages for 500 years and nobody had seen her since, and the people of Sumeru worshiped Rukkhadevata, not her. And yet she could still control dreams and consciousness and access irminsul. So Venti could still do some badass shit, if only he were the kind of person who enjoyed combat...
@@fyodorwashere Did you miss the cutscene where Signora gutted him with minimal effort and he quickly fell to the ground completely unconscious? That's the true power level of Venti without his worshippers. Yes he still does have some Archon powers left in him coz he still can maintain his human disguise but he's too weak now coz he abandoned his archon dutirs. Without his Archon powers he's just a tiny and weak wind sprite. Btw his human form was that of the bard he fought along side with during the uprising against the aristocrat supporters of Decarabian. Venti's first demonstration of his archon power was when he copied the likeness of his bard friend who died during the revolution.
timestamps cuz timestamps 1:20 What is classified as an Archon? 3:08 The Archons' constant set of abilities from a first impression 5:17 The Gnosis 6:28 Barbatos 9:00 Morax 10:58 Beelzebul 12:17 Buer 13:58 Conclusion
@@SaraGon15 no but zhongli literally used teleportation on xiao. you can only do that when you have spatial manipulation and one of this spatial manipulation ability includes teleportation.
Zhongli is also capable of giving dreams and visions (not the elemental one). He said it in his archon quest. He used it to inform the adepti that he is alive.
Raiden seems to be able to control weather patterns and forcibly make inazuma completely isolated from the outside. The ocean fog, thunderstorms, the waves, things only beidous ship with beidous expertise can get by. Very powerful!
Minor things not noted. Venti displays teleportation in the prologue act 1 Zhongli taught the adepti sub space creation according to Madame Ping Ei is capable of sealing techniques as she sealed both Orobashi and Kapatcir’s remains
I find it interesting that Venti is able to bring back the winds of the past to show people their pasts. If not their pasts in a picture form, the sounds and scents associated with said memories
With regards to domain expansion, I believe Madam Ping mensioned on the quest "A Teapot to Call Home"(Serenitea Pot) that her power of making pocket dimension was nothing compared to Zhongli. Hinting that all illuminated beast (not sure if Yakshas has the same ability) has an innate ability for sub-space creation.
Can we talk about how Morax probably can still create mora? I mean, when Liyue was founded 3700 years ago he showed people how to built houses WITH mora. And the Archon War ended 2000 years ago. I prefer to think that he just decided not to produce it so that he could happily continue playing human
He doesn't create Mora. Lord of Geo is the embodiment of currency system im Teyvat. Mora is like the blood in his veins, and those who do dirty on any contract are the same as tainting his blood.
@@isolatedanonymous1979 He used his Gnosis to battery the minting mill in Liyue. Since it's gone, all the mora left inside the mill is pretty much all the reserves left in Teyvat as we know it.
No but zhongli powers are way more than that. This dude was literally said to be able to move seas and mountains and summon giant geo statues to fight for him. He is broken af
Venti very much feels like Lisa in the lore - a character more powerful than they let on who also conserve their power in anticipation for something ominous that only they know about.
Oh nice to see someone does think Venti is sussy. I long suspected him since I completed Liyue archon quest and further feel he is not so simple after Inazuma’s. I have a feeling he is one of they key to unlocking Celestia’s story. There is also a theory that Zhongli is one of the descenders. His story in the game didn’t change after Irminsul’s memories were. Not so sure if it’s a dev oversight or the devs are planting hints as usual.
Yes another member of Venti is sus group. Also technically they did change Zhonglis story 5 to hammer down the fact that him and Venti are the only original Archons left in roles of leadership or sth like that. Which means he either A) remembers Rukkahdevata as you said (very likely) or B) she wasn’t the original Dendro Archon
@@aravinds3846 It was said the erosion was forced onto him by the heavenly principles. Which means celestia caused him to suffer from erosion which they shouldn't have done if he was a part of Teyvat. I don't know if he's a descender or not but that's my opinion.
A common misconception people make is that gnosis *only* allow archons to resonate with celestia and gain niche side abilities. The reality is, a gnosis is a very massive source of power, and isn't something that should be underestimated in that regard: Venti got a gnosis and went from a small wind spirit into a mountain destroying god despite originally not having many followers Venti calls a gnosis an internal magical foci in contrast to a vision being an external one, implying that the only main difference between the two is that the former is internal and can resonate with celestia. Considering visions offer massive amounts of power to those who receive them, suffice to say that a gnosis would as well. Zhongli's voicelines indicate a loss of power after losing a gnosis Zhongli kept the gnosis so that he could return Liyue back to normal should the osial issue get out of hand Zhongli's character stories calls the gnosis the divine ability to defend your respective nation Ei was going to use the gnosis as a power source for the raiden shogun Scaramouche literally used the gnosis to change the weather The gnosis is used to provide Scaramouche the power of an archon, as was literally the plan of the sages as they believed Nahida lacked the raw power of an archon and they were aiming to replace her with Scaramouche The power of two gnosis were used to enter the greater lord's consciousness. Nahida's character stories say that a gnosis can be used to accumulate a mass of elemental energy at one's discretion. As for the feats of the archons: *Venti* Venti is the most straight-forwards one. He started off as a small wind spirit without a hint of divine ingenuity(character stories), then got boosted by the prayers of a small rebel group allowing him to make a small shelter from andrius' storm(biography of gunhildr). After decarabian's downfall, he gains a gnosis and is able to split and throw mountains, creating the GAA, musk reef, and remove all of the ice and snow surrounding mondstat, all with a single divine wind. The rest of his abilities are sort of vague, as he's able to do some weird things with fake stanley and temporarily fix the lyre. He's also capable of buffing allies, as seen with dvalin and vanessa. He hasn't been fully fleshed out in this regard, though. *Morax* Also pretty straight-forwards. He constructed mountain sized spears from the earth and threw them. He also made animals out of the earth and taught the adepti how to use sub-space creation. He pinned down osial with a single spear(vortex vanquisher and roald's diary) with osial being strong enough to make waves as tall as mountains. He beat baqiu with his geo whale and geo kite with baqiu being said to be unparalleled among sea monsters. He also beat the Chi, though the Chi doesn't have much information about how strong it was According to madame ping and various other NPCs who I can't be bothered to look up the names for, he moved mountains and seas and raised various parts of liyue up from the depths. He did this prior to gaining a gnosis, and after gaining a gnosis, was capable of beating and sealing Azhdaha(subconsciously holding back), dragging him across the chasm all the way to the tree that he's sealed at now. He also sports petrification abilities with his meteors, and sealing abilities. That's about it for him. *Raiden* Many people focus on her orobashi feat where she cut yashiori island in half while running her blade through orobashi. However, there's a more hidden feat that people often overlook--her killing of the thunderbird. To preface, the remnant of the thunderbird's power is the thunder manifestation which was sealed by Ei after it was killed. According to neko(neko is a cat questline), ako domeki and mittoboru(GAA event/echoing conches), when hibiki unsealed the thunder manifestation in order to help domeki fight off the attacking shogunate fleets, upon spawning, it unleashed a shockwave that not only destroyed both domeki's and the shogunate's fleets(hamayumi weapon description), but also created a storm that fragmented seirai island, giving it the geography you see it have today(1.6 special program). There are at least two different thunder manifestations that the traveler fights in seirai stormchasers and in the tsurumi island quest. A single thunder manifestation was capable of fragmenting seirai island. In other words, a fraction of a fraction of the thunderbird's power fragmented seirai island, and Ei is shown one-shotting the full thing in her story teaser. Needless to say, this far eclipses the splitting of yashiori island. As for her abilities, she can control lightning and thunderstorms anywhere on earth(shogun voicelines), can create electro clones capable of exploding, can swing her sword so fast that it appears that time is stopped, can create portals to teleport, can move so fast that she appears to go invisible, can cut through space ignoring shielding and character resistances(shogun boss fight), and can bring you into the plane of euthymia, turning a physical battle into one of willpower, which in teyvat, the shogun is 2nd to none in(inazuma archon quest+raiden shogun 2nd story quest). Furthermore, due to both the shogun and Ei having a consciousness, both of them are capable of appearing in a realm of consciousness at the same time. Imagine being ganged up on by not one, but two raidens in the middle of a fight. To top this all off, all of this was without her using a gnosis, and without her gaining any boosts from faith due to her sister makoto being the face of the electro archon and handling public matters. Until recently, she didn't even fully awaken the musou isshin, and didn't even have the musou isshin during the archon war. Ei has only gotten much stronger since her notable feats now that she is the true electro archon, and has unlocked the potential of the musou isshin. Finally, Ei's puppet creation feat also goes unnoticed. Ei stumbled across some mysterious khaenriah technology and proceeded to build scaramouche as proof of concept in what would be well under a hundred years(only got the techniques after the cataclysm 500 years ago and scaramouche was already in tatarasuna 400 years ago and was wandering around for some time even before then. She proceeds to make countless more attempts and considering that she is done by present day, each attempt couldn't have taken too much time). In contrast, Dottore, our model super-genius, needed several decades of studying an already finished product in the form of scaramouche before he could go on to even begin making his segments(Wanderer's character stories). After Nahida makes him delete his other segments, Dottore remarks about how they are incredibly difficult to make, time consuming and resource heavy. In contrast, Ei says in her voicelines that we shouldn't hesitate to send the shogun into battle as even if she is destroyed, she can simply make another shogun. A very laissez faire and unbothered approach to the idea of her puppet being destroyed. Put simply, Ei is actually highly intelligent and sports a feat of intelligence that rivals the doctor himself. It only seems otherwise because she was isolated from the outside word for 500 years. A lack of knowledge is not tantamount of a lack of intelligence, which many people often conflate. *Nahida* The video basically named every single one of her feats. She can appear in dreams, can give dreams, can put people in samsaras, can create large scale mirages, can telepathically talk to you and hear your thoughts, and can even place you under a dream where you fight enemies from your memories(sumeru interlude quest). These enemies are just a strong as the real thing seeing as the traveler, post shoki no kami fight + with the experience boost given to them from nahida, still wasn't able to simply bulldoze the dream version of the shoki no kami and would have even died to the laser that the Wanderer blocked(travel log archives) While she lacks much in the way of raw power, her wisdom and abilities are nothing to scoff at. She's capable of things far beyond any of our imaginations according to Ei. Mind manipulation is a scary power. She also, of course, has access to irminsul, allowing her to sift through and delete information from all of teyvat's timeline at will. As shown with scaramouche during the sumeru interlude, doing this to a person causes even the person themselves to forget who they used to be. Pretty powerful stuff. These are all the feats I know of coupled with what was said in the video. Anyone can feel free to mention more if I didn't mention them, though I'm mainly focusing on things that we *know* the 4 archons can do, not speculation.
Yeah, Ei is not stupid whatsoever. Whoever conflates a lack of knowledge with a lack of intelligence is an idiot and should be disregarded. Not only that, she learns very quickly and has a good amount of common sense about what is obviously false. Compound that with Ei being quite a perceptive individual. She is SOMEWHAT naive, gullible, ignorant, and/or clueless about modern stuff, but again, she is NOT stupid, learns very quickly, and can easily see and tell what is fake or not. Not to mention that she can easily see and tell if someone is trying to lie to her or not (and she WILL take note of someone's body language and the way they speak due to her perceptiveness), which is boosted by what I said above. She's FAR less naive, clueless, ignorant, and/or gullible when dealing with other people due to the things I've mentioned and explained here. She WILL critically think about things and question heavily about what she is told, meaning, as well as everything else I've mentioned here, that she will NEVER fall for pathetic, cheap, and obvious attempted lies told by fools unless they can provide significant concrete proof/evidence that can prove that they're not trying to lie to her. Hell, she realized about one of the light novels (Reincarnation into Shogun) was Yae's idea and writing, showing Ei knows full well about Yae's mischievous personality. Ei WON'T accept someone's words at face value (even if they're a friend of hers) unless she sees definitive concrete proof/evidence. Don't forget Ei is no longer being complacent and is caring about what's happening that's not related to 'eternity'. All of this can be found and seen in BOTH of her actual, official, and canon Archon Quest and, most importantly, First Story Quest. Both quests are a part of actual and official Genshin universe canon.
Before her Archon Quest, Ei only accepted the Shogun puppet's word at face value because she was being very complacent, thinking that she doesn't need to intervene or interfere in problems that she believes the puppet can easily deals with. Not only that, she doesn't want to interact with the outside world, and doesn't care about anything in the outside world that has zero relation to "eternity". However, now (after her Archon Quest) she is no longer complacent and wants to see and interact with the outside world and see, and care about, things beyond just "eternity". Hell, at the end of her First Story Quest, she has learned a lot about the modern world (her getting a good, if not great, look at how people live and all that jazz) thanks to the Traveler and Paimon, and is now much less naive, gullible, clueless, and/or ignorant of it at the end of said aforementioned Quest. I greatly despise unofficial and non-canon doujinshi and parody fanwork/artist cg work/compilations that very blatantly don't take any of what I just started in this post and my previous one into account whatsoever (they blatantly leave it out or omit it intentionally and deliberately, which is disgusting and despicable to me and many others) and blatantly extremely exaggerate her negative aspects up to eleven to purely ridiculous levels. Not only that, said doujinshi and fanwork just very blatantly character butcher and assassinate her and others (even the damn NPCs) and make them extremely out of character, making their "personalities" in these fanworks very bare-bones and completely different that make absolutely no damn sense, stupid, contradictory, unofficial, and non-canon. These doujinshi and fanworks are thus even more completely and utterly meaningless, worthless, pointless, irrelevant, not important whatsoever, and obsolete due to everything I've mentioned and explained above. They (doujinshi and fanworks) were ALREADY completely meaningless from the very start, from the very beginning, before they even came onto the drawing board. I could go on and on about this, but these are the major points that I wanted to point out and let you all know. What are your thoughts about this?
Its the itachi vs madara situation all over again tbh. Ei,morax or barbatos are more powerful than nahida, but they havent shown resistancies to even basic mind Manipulation yet, let alone that itachi level mind hax of nahida's. If nahida can outsmart them at the beginning of the battle and trap them in a illusion it would be pretty much over lol
An interesting topic to explore would be, what makes you a god? example: Scaramouche and Orobashi. It's said in the game that the people before Watatsumi asked Orobashi to be their god, and scaramouche is an artificial god but it's still a god since the boss description says so. So I think it's a pretty cool topic to have a discussion.
I think the whole God thing can be summarized into having a worshipper, Scara was almost made one as he technically did have one worshipper (albeit through some form of memory manipulation), and if he wasn't stopped the Sages could've used the Akasha to forcefully make the rest of Sumeru worship him too same with Orobashi, the snake was worshipped by the people of Enkanomiya, and Deshret was worshipped by the desert people
A great comparison I like to connect to the concept of archons is the chinese religion/mythology of Daoism. Daoism is the most popular religion in China, but it is very much different from other religions: most of its relevancy and main sources are told in folklore and stories, and its main message is that "Anyone can become a god, mortal or immortal." Immortals and Mortals are also divided into two realms but both interact frequently, although still in folklore. In conclusion, you could call it as more of a mythology than a religion, but its relevancy in China and even most of Asia makes it possible to connect directly with Genshin. In some of the stories, Daoism even uses gods from other religions entirely, such as the appearances of Buddha in Journey to the West! tbf i couldve just summarized the entirety of liyue and its adepti with this but the stories of daoism were my entire childhood foiesjfaoifejaifo
Zhongli did not have the gnosis yet when he first created Mora in Liyue Harbor. The archon war in Liyue was not won just yet since Havria was still killed by some other god and her ppl had to flee to Liyue harbor. Zhongli corroborates the historians statement when they said that the first house built in Liyue was made of pure Mora by him and Liyue harbor was built before him becoming archon (Historia Antiqua, Zhongli's 1st SQ). The gnosis likely was just used to power up the actual minting of Mora for the entirety of Teyvat. I imagine it would take a toll on his body if he were to produce Mora on such a large scale for the entire continent for thousands of years. But, if it were to produce Mora out of thin air, Zhongli can still do it. Remember the description of Prithiva Topaz Gemstone: "The currencies that flow through this land are my flesh and blood. For thus did I become the guarantor of the people's hard work, wisdom, and future. This is the trust I have placed in them. Betray it, and you taint my blood." Most likely, Zhongli said Mora cannot be produced anymore since ppl think that the Geo archon is the only one who can produce it, which he is, but since he's presumably dead, it would be suspicious if Mora were still being produced somewhere. Him saying that to traveler is not the first time he lied to us. The entire archon quest of Zhongli was basically him manipulating the scene to get what he wanted.
Zhongli rescued Xiao in Yaelan's story quest when he used all his power to take us out of the realm. He felt the events that were going on into the Chasm and literally from all the realms he found the one and rescued Xiao at will when his Yaksha was in danger. #ZhongliProtects As a main Zhongli I'm about to cry :(
Buer is one hell of a threat if she's given full access to Rukkha's memory and skills, she's basically a genjutsu master if we were to put it in Naruto terms, fooling even other gods (Scara's robot) multiple times over, and that's only after she's broken free from 500 years of imprisonment, prime time Rukkha could be even more dangerous
I find jarring the fact of omitting the wall of Samiel, even if it wasn't made by Nahida, that level of plant manipulation is technically in her toolkit, considering Nahida is a byproduct of Rukkhadevata. Which would mean that every archon has some sort of terraforming capability.
I would argue that Nahida has the same abilities as Rukka, she just doesnt know that she has them or at very least knows how to use them yet. We can see that while Rukka created the Akasha, Nahida knew and was able to shut it down. Nahida also knew how to permanently remove data from Irmensil, but needed 2 Gnosi to do it.
@@emperormaxwell432 I think it may be even possible for Nahida to be MORE powerful than Rukkadhevata. While we don't know the origin of the greater lord, Nahida was the healthiest branch of irminsul itself. Once she gains the experience she needs she will be incredibly powerful
@@emperormaxwell432 Nahida only needed the 2 gnosis to go to Rukkha's lost and corrupted conciousness 500 yrs ago. Her deleting Rukkha is completely her own power. Even Scara managed to delete his existence from irminsul without gnosis. Just by using his left over god powers.
@@unapersonav1522 Just put a little context behind Nahida’s birth she was the healthiest branch of the sickly Irminsul, Rukka was born before divine knowledge had corrupted Irminsul so she was just as healthy as Nahida it was a line to make sure the audience knew that Nahida wasn’t secretly infected too
I think you missed out a potential form of telekinesis for zhongli.Remember how he saved xiao without making physical contact with him in the chasm and how he threw away the God of Salt (Havria)'s artifacts into the ocean by simply performing hand gestures in his first story quest.
Morax is confirmed to create subspace, as he was the one who taught the adepti how to produce their domains. The teapot we use is an Adeptal art that Morax invented. Also, Ei has the ability to control weather
My guess on how these 4 survived the archon war: zhongli: spammed his shield ability to make himself untouchable Ei: distracted the others by taking out her sword Nahita: smaller the size the smaller the hit box. The smaller the hit box the harder it is to hit. Venti: sat in the bar and drank a few hundred cups of wine while he watched the battle from afar.
@@mukil2399 yes, he raised Mt. Tianheng by lowering the tides. but also Western Liyue was raised by him from under water (not by lowering the tides but by forcing the land mass to come up from under water). He laughed when Alice made the assumption that he lowered the tides in Jueyun Karst, so it is implied that that's not how Western Liyue came to be.
@@yilinglaozu2754 so it isn't "cutting down mountains" eh? I know about mt tianheng tho. That isn't the proof of cutting down mountains. Also, the statement on teyvat travel guide also not the proof of cutting down mountains.
About Zhongli and Azhdaha: the original size of Azhdaha is not the size as the weekly boss we see in game, as this version is smaller due to needing to be fit into the domain, (mf so fat he barely fits into his own soul) the actual size of Azhdaha can be measured relatively easily, as the tree above the entrance to the boss fight is Azhdaha's actual tail, which means that: 1: Azhdaha is buried underground all this time 2: We enter the weekly boss fight through 'neath his tail. And this is why he is so angry Which, as a result, gives us 2 possibilities: 1: Zhongli did use Domain Expansion to seal Azhdaha's soul inside of the domain, hence why he does not use it 2: Azhdaha can use Domain Expansion to give others access to his soul to fight, due to him being immobilized
A few of ei's other abilities would be to be able to cut through space (lack of a better word) shown in her burst, she's able to place her conscious in the puppets she makes and finnaly she can create domains that have manipulation on time as shown in her story quest part two. Edit:I just realised that this means she can put her conscious in scara
This isn’t really related to power but for me it’s really interesting how Ei seems to not only manipulate electricity but also space (elemental skill and burst descriptions). And you can also see it visually when she uses her burst, not to mention the infamous line “Eternity is the closest to the heavenly principles”. If Venti is rightly connected to time then I think Ei’s right connection is with space
12:54 zhongli can also dream walk as mentioned in the archon quest by ninngguang. I belive Xiao also mentiones it dusing his story quest? Great video! I hope we eventually find out more about Barbatos's powers
Yep. Exactly what I was going to comment. He calls it 'gifting dreams' iirc. Zhongli himself mentions doing it at the end of archon quest. I think just like 'domain expansion', consciousness related power might be shared by all archons (although there's no solid evidence for proof)
I feel like zhongli and raiden have an ap of large country and venti is small country. I would put nahida at large room lvl she could probably break a couple chairs or something
5:17 Bit more on the Gnosis: Gnoses have 3 different functions as far as we know: 1 They resonate directly with Celestia. (Venti flavor text) 2 They channel a mass of elemental power at the discretion of the Archon. (From Nahida Gnosis story) 3 Gnoses are emblematic for being one of the Seven (from Venti flavor text) I've seen a lot of debate around the topic of whether the Gnosis gives power or not besides the uses of creating Mora/maintaining the Akasha Terminal. From what I gathered, if an Archon were to part with their Gnosis they would lose some power considering Zhongli's Gnosis story directly states that by trading away the Gnosis he would lose the divine ability to defend Liyue. And by the fact that Gnoses in general are a higher-order nexus of elemental manipulation they can naturally also be used in combat.
@Wang Jun yuan "Yet no matter how one looks at it, *the loss of his divine ability to defend Liyue* was too great a price to pay." - Citation from Zhongli's Gnosis story. By itself, the Gnosis story clearly stated he would lose his divine ability to defend Liyue after relinquishing the Gnosis to the Cryo Archon. Additionally, Zhongli's act II also implies he lost power due to his own erosion. Kun Jun: "All life is shaped and then ground away by the endless flow of time. You were always the strongest among us, yet it would seem that even you have eroded..."
@@-Genki Yes, he still has his Geo powers within him despite not being at his prime anymore. He would still be able to fight against enemies by his own as he is still an elemental being that’s stronger than any of the adepti that’s alive in Liyue. The gnosis only strengthens his ability, not provides him his elemental powers.
Great video but I have to note some others things each one of them can do Venti is the patron deity of Music, illusions, teleportation, time manipulation (to some degree) Morax show telekinesic à abilities, shielding and geo construct creation. Ei has some abilities related to time, slash through the fabric of reality, levitation, pure electro walking, Master martial artist, soul transmutation, power giver etc.
Also they're a product of natural phenomena like Venti literally is the wind, Zhongli comes from bedrock, Ei is a manifestation of lightning, and Nahida is literally a branch from irminsul. This just means there is a possibility that they will still live for eons as long as those things exist. As for erosion we haven't literally seen an Archon that is suffering from it. About Zhongli and Ei, their actions were a byproduct of their mindset since they always think for the long term but they haven't yet suffered from any sort of erosion. As for Venti, he IS the cause of erosion since he is literally the wind. And for Nahida, she is the avatar of irminsul so she probably will live longer than her predecessor.
Uma coisa sobre o Venti que você esqueceu de mencionar nas habilidades dele é que ele também foi capaz de se teleportar, e assim como a Nahida ele tem algum domínio sobre as memórias das pessoas já que ele fez com que Stanley se esquecesse que ele era o arconte anemo e também criou memórias reais com imagens e sons de eventos que aconteceram e que alguns personagens nem sabiam como o Razor
Domain expansion can be made even by humans. The mushroom/pokemon showed that. The guy literally made a domain for the last round that Yae invaded. The tea pot could ALSO be considered a domain expansion. Loved how you explain the gnosis. As a divine energy instead of elemental one is very consistent because in canon dotore saying that she coudn't use the electro gnosis in battle. Also, it's canon from Barbatos AND Nahida that an arcon power have relation with the number of people that worship them/followers. In Venti's case he said that because he was out of Mondstadt for so long his power was weak. While Zhongli had the adepti, Venti was also not alone. He had the 4 winds and his conection with time alone... and Ei/Makoto had the yokais. The yokais are NOT weaker than adepti. From Kitsune to Tengu, each one had their own specialty and made part of the electro archon army. As for Nahida, you just need to count how many Aranaras there are and how much power each one have Nahida does NOT have the same powers as the full archons and she has said it many times. The first thing Great lord said to her was 'so you must be around 500 years old' which is VERY young in archons terms. Nahida still has the same form the greater lord had when her powers were exausted, so her potential is very much great if given some milenia
I honestly think it was just so he could help out with the Rite of Parting. Since it's basically a funeral for adepti, it wouldn't be suspicious if someone working at a funeral parlor helped to arrange it
I seriously think Morax has the weirdest set of Powers, like some stuff he's done doesn't really relate to him being a Geo User at all. Morax could rip out the souls of the deceased and seal them (The Chi Lore), Is capable of Spatial Manipulation & Sub-space Creation and is the creator of Adeptal Arts (Serenitea Pot is one of his creations and the Domain where we fought Azhdaha was apparently a Domain he created to seal him beneath the earth), is capable of Shapeshifting and he could enter people's Dreams and give visions to them (Dream Trawler) as Zhongli, he was able to save Xiao from the Chasmic Maze where Time and Space is distorted during Perilous Trail, Morax having such an impeccable memory to the point that he still remembers Rukkhadevata despite her being deleted by the Irminsul Wipe, and lastly Morax's power was described as something that 'surpasses this world' in one of the Genshin Loading Screens "The stony halls of The Chasm's depths are the battleground for two powers that surpass this world..." the Two Powers described in the text probably refers to Morax and Azhdaha since they're the only ones we know that fought at the Chasm which were proven because it led to the existence of the Dragonfall Ores.
@@sauce8148 Yes, Zhongli's Character Story 5 says that "only two of the first Seven remain in positions of rulership" when its should be THREE because Nahida replaced Rukkhadevata's existence as an Original Seven Archon. If zhongli only says two then that means he remembers Rukkhadevata and is reasonable that he doesn't consider Nahida as one of the first original Seven Archons.
And also morax can create live (it's from primodial weapon if I'm not mistaken) and even bless azdaha with eyes. Morax is definitely the most mysterious archon. ... Maybe alongside with tsaritsa
spoilers for archon quests: i’ve always wondered how venti or barbatos is not a stronger archon don’t archons also get their powers from the amount of followers they have? barbatos has a whole church dedicated to him, a statue dedicated to him, events and traditions dedicated to him, his people and even people outside of his nation pray to him on a daily basis. unlike with morax, his people acknowledge him as alive so barbatos still has much support from his followers due to this. is he just being humble or does a followers devotion not matter at all to an archons strength if followers do matter to an archons strength, then shouldn’t morax be on the more weaker side? it’s confirmed or implied that he has lost followers after he faked his death, his people do not acknowledge him as alive anymore so therefore there is no point in praying to him unless a portion or the entirety of his people believe he’ll be resurrected. raiden shogun has made public appearances multiple times so her people know she’s alive so she should have a bunch of support from her followers same with nahida because her people acknowledge her as alive and as their archon (after the archon quests, of course) so shouldn’t she also be strong or have a boost of strength from her followers?
Zhongli has far more worshippers and was worshipped for far longer, it wouldn't make sense for him to be weaker, also the guy was literally called the "Warrior God" prior to becoming an archon, Venti doesn't have such titles or feats. It's crazy how overhyped Venti is, at most he is stronger than Nahida but both are low tier gods in terms of power.
@@AndrewManook i do believe that zhongli is definitely a strong god in terms of power and raw strength, but may be lacking with it comes to followers in present times in teyvat, yknow?
Great decernment on domain expansion for ZhongLi. I also thought him sealing the gods was such method. That said, why does liyue have so many sealed gods? Was the majority of the War in liyue?
Wait, while we didn't witness Morax creating any Domains, from what I remember when Madame Ping gave us the Teapot she said that Rex Lapis taught adepti that technique of creating these small spaces.
If venti knows about every song be from past,present or future it's possible that he has knowledge that was erased from irminsul and that his ballads are also stories erased from irminsul atleast some of them like bp cutscenes
Venti specifically knows "all songs that are, were, and ever will be" or something like that-- considering the value/meaning of allegorical data, this is a _huge_ piece of information.
Bruh, I always thought Ei had some ability from Khaenri’ah to create puppets, but when you say “Art of Khemia” it somehow makes more sense to me. It explains why the wanderer is so human, just like Albedo is. Interesting indeed. I hope we get more story quests in the future about this!
What’s your theory as to why the big slash that created the electro gorge is perfectly lined up to be aimed at the sacred sakura? Especially considering it wasn’t originally there (but was, but wasn’t. Time travel is confusing)
actually, it lines up more with the gap between the two mountains on narukami, so it's entirely possible that the slash was even bigger than we thought
I think they should definitely expand the abilities of Venti and Zhongli and Ei, not talking about brute force or elemental manipulation but the fact that all archons are not only gods of a certain element but also gods of a certain ideals. Nahida's the god of wisdom and dreams and it's clear that she has those powers by her being the caretaker of the Irminsul as a god and by her dream manipulation. Ei being the god of eternity is not so clear but Makoto most certainly was a god of eternity, considering how Ei's story quest ends with the sakura tree paradox and the quest ended in Ei growing as a person and archon, understanding her sister's views better, so I guess she can gain those powers. Venti's the god of freedom and songs and sure the fact that he lets his nation be free of his control is a part of this freedom but he has no powers directly connecting to that, he is a good bard and his songs are magical in a way, so I guess that's one of his powers. And as for Zhongli, the god of contracts and the god of history and wealth, while his mora creating powers are there, his history and contract powers are hard to pinpoint. I mean sure he punishes those who break the sacred contracts but that's pretty vague and just a use of his other powers. And his history powers are a bit too close to buer's Irminsul memory powers for me as a concept. I really hope mihoyo give the new archons distinct powers like nahida and go back to expand the powers of the ones we have because that'd make for a really interesting fight with Kheanria'h and Celestia eventually.
I think for now, zhongli is just to tired and want to get some rest, but maybe, in the end , he will finally broke his first and his last contract to fight along travelers while having his power back to his prime or maybe the archon will be travelers enemy. Idk tho, it's so interesting
So there appears to be two types of systems of magic or powers present in Teyvat which would be Divine Powers and Elemental Powers. I reckon Divine Powers is something that is derived from Celestia or the Primordial One while Elemental Powers was something from the old world with the Seven Sovreigns
Geo seems to mimic contracts which are subject to unbreakable barriers and seals. Probably why he could restrain many gods without having their miasma infect teyvat
don't forget nahida's ability to create "enchanced akasha terminals" which im assuming are robots that she's able to channel her powers through to help her (or in this case the traveler) fight
Genshin is about gods stepping down and letting humans take control of their own destiny, this means gods giving up their power(not just their gnosis) and letting humans strive for their own dreams. This also means they are letting mortals lose faith in them willingly so that they start believing in themselves and gods start becoming weaker and shifts responsibilities to humans. Gods are said to gain power from people's faith in them, but I think that is not a full description of how it works, I think what it actually means is that the more people think their gods can help them achieve their dreams, the more powerful the god is. This also means that people are not believing in themselves and is handing their responsibility to the gods. We've already seen in all the Archon Quests when people can no longer rely on their gods because of various circumstances, they take responsibility on their own and became stronger and more motivated. Venti gave freedom to his people and his people took matters in their own hands and defended Mondstadt, over time their faith in him was reduced so he became much weaker. Zhongli retired and made his people believe that he is dead so that they are no longer bound to his contract and we've seen how Liyue is able to defeat demon gods on their own. Raiden lost some faith from her people because of the Vision Hunt and they fought back, showing that they have the power to challenge the Shogunate, Raiden then realised that as long as mortals continue to fight for their dreams, Inazuma will be eternal. Kusanali's influence for the past 500 years was minuscule and people even wondered if she actually exists, faith in her was almost non existent and when the people found out about her, they stood up and revolted against the Sages and were able to save her. I firmly believe that the Archons are all much weaker especially Venti who has given his people freedom for the longest time, he is not hiding anything, he is content with his position and the prosperity of his people. And the reason why all the Archons are willing to give up their power very likely has to do with Celestia, perhaps the Archons were the way Celestia controls Teyvat and by handing power to the mortals that's the way they can break free from Celestia. This is Genshin's message that power belongs to the people.
mmm idk Nahida’s whole character story is that even when her people didn’t believe in her she managed to pull through and save them and then she took control of Sumeru completely as the Academia no longer rules over the country but Nahida herself does now, and it wasnt even her people that saved her, it was the traveler (without the traveler who had allies, she would still be trapped) and funny enough Venti probably has the most faith as an archon as he’s the only archon that has a church and religion while i do believe theres underlying themes about people having power i don’t think thats a central theme as Ei still rules Inazuma and Nahida has literally taken over Sumeru in place of the Academia
@@boshlovely2002 Every Archon has a religion and followers, but Venti's believers have the 2nd loosest belief in him after Nahida. This is because Venti chose to stay out of mortal affairs and with Nahida being hidden away, their existence to mortals is only held on by faith with no concrete idea of whether they actually exist and is helping them. Most people do not even know if they exist, and with Nahida now reappearing to her people, Venti has become the weakest in faith. Rukkhadevata also sacrificed herself so that the the brightness of her sun is extinguished leaving behind only a moon(Nahida) so that the stars, mortals can shine in her place. She realised that people placed too much faith in her and not themselves, leading to the corruption of the Sages and Akademiya, her sacrifice erased the Forbidden Knowledge and also gave mortals a chance to now acquire wisdom on their own and shine. Zhongli had a hand in every single affair of Liyue culture for thousands of years, making his presence an important role in all of tradition, trade and society, of all Archons his people had the closest connect and belief in him. This was his contract with his people, that he would bring prosperity to everyone. Now that he stepped down, people will take care of themselves and prosper on their own. Raiden is the 2nd most worshiped god as she is directly involved in the government and everyone knows of her existence. She fights wars for her people protecting them for centuries and everyone knows and believes in her power, they have a strong faith in her promise of eternity. Now that she has loosened laws and gave people more freedom, they will start fighting more for their own dreams.
It's pretty obvious. Zhongli is basically Superman with immense power. Raiden is basically Flash/Batman with speed and knowledge. Venti is basically a anime protagonist with hax abilities which he hides. Nahida is still learning but she's like Professor Xavier from Xmen. It's very hard to compare and say who's the strongest...
Nice little video but it felt like more of and overview than a full look at how strong they could each really be based of all the available lore, theories, and their in game kits (skills, talents and constellations) which I think might be quite the fun deep dive to do sometime.
I might add that Ei is capable of controlling the stars of the sky by using the lore description of her elemental skill in-game "Beings of great divinity might affect all that they survey, and the Electro Archon can manipulate the very inauspicious stars themselves to defend her retainers and bring a thundering sentence down on their foes." alongside weather manipulation in all of Teyvat without the use of a gnosis
I always thought that Ei could just use the Musou no Hitotachi as her nomal attack. From what i known so far. She's the type that rarely get tired in a fight. I also like to think her Musoin gorge attack is never her strongest. Like another normal attack. If her Musoin one doesnt make her went to need a rest and that its attack reach Narukami mountain and cleave it in half which could probably meant that it went even further. Maybe expand into the black area of the map but who knows how far. And how strong and far larger the aoe will be if she uses enough energy to the point she needed 1 day rest before get back to fight again? Not to mention that the ingame map size was downsize to hell for optimization. My prefered size equilavent for the "in lore" size is that 1genshin meter = 55.96real meter. Let that sink in.
I really think you ought to bring up Herscherrs and the Starrail's Aeon's at some point. We know they're all interwoven thematically, and in Raiden's case (and likely the other main Valks) directly shared. Herscherr cores/gems = Gnosis, Irminsul = Imaginary Tree simulacrum, Abyss = Sea of Quanta. Griseo = Primodial one with the 4 shades (her event summons). Also I still have bets on Alice being Elysia. The leyline energy rather than being "radiation" is likely either Imaginary power or directly Honkai. The forbidden knowledge? Well we can't have the Ark knowing about Honkai energy / Quanta to invite them into the Ark so we'll make it a curse to know. Aether / Lumine likely to be Aeons from HSR.
What's also interesting is that Nahida can hijack Katheryne- a bionic puppet. So it confirms that her hijacking is not limited to living beings. But also mechanical ones, so long as they have a "conciousness". What I'm trying to get at is that Buer can possibly operate those big chunga Ruin Golems. Seeing as Zhongli literally gave life to a rock (Azhdaha), It may be possible for Nahida go give to golems "conciousness" and hijack it.
as long its connect to Akasha. now akasha being shutdown for good its limited to what body nahida can control. either the mad schoolar of there is still left or someone that have made direct contact to nahida dreams/ soul which traveler.
Zhongli only gave eyes to azhdaha and they made a contract. Azhdaha was a blind earth dragon. It was debunked by zhongli himself in the quest after chasm. Even when the quest was released, people already knew this.
We didn’t get to see any of archons full power till now in the game, if there is a ranking of lower, middle, higher tier gods, all gods in teyvat seems like lower tier gods, maybe there are higher tier gods we’ll get to see in the future when we reach celestia
We have never seen an archon in peril or even really struggling. Everything we have seen seems like casual use of power and most likely not close to maximum strength. If an archon had true ill intent they could cause countless tragedies before anyone could even act. Even the shogun puppet looked like she was barely trying at all when she tried to kill the traveler.
With how strong characters are in cutscenes, the gods must be ridiculous. Can we just take a second and look at Ningguang and Shenhe. We've got levitation, transporting/creating large complex objects, a town sized Meteor shower, freezing an entire tsunami, casually jumping hundreds of meters carrying massive boulders etc, etc.
@@hutao3548 creating the giant platform in front of the Jade chamber and either creating or teleporting the Guizhong Ballista's on it. Levitating in the air the whole Osial battle. Somehow moving the Jade Chamber. Creating a massive meteor shower against Beisht.
@@okaybutwhythough7456 Creating the giant platform and teleporting the Balista's was somewhat good... But other then that there wasn't.. Moving the jade chamber isn't a big feat,and I don't remember Ningguang creating massive meteor shower against beisht,wasn't that was just rock created through magic?
Venti before he became Barbatos or as Venti per se, he was just a normal anemo spirit, a very small one. Giving him the Title of Archon and also authority thereof caused him to create massive anemo power and new abilities. Imagine how powerful Celestia is by giving such authority and power on a simple wind spirit.
Venti hybernating and preserving his mind and body from errosion would mean he's more powerful than Ei and Zhongli, and if he's only "summoned" during times of peril, it could also be a hint of his power; if he's truly always the last resort.
Lol no, Zhongli is by far the oldest archon and has been worshipped for that long, the gods get their power from worship, so Zhongli should be way stronger than Venti. Also Zhongli was also literally called the "Warrior God", Venti has no such title or feats.
@@AndrewManook "Warrior God" is a title made by kids and people who liked theatres, Zhongli also had a lot of companions and comrades to help him defend Liyue.
We have technically seen Zhongli's domain. In fact, we go inside it everyday. XD Don't forget that the teapot is his creation. He was the one who taught Tubby and his Adepti on how to make their own abode in the teapot. Tubby mentions this the moment we enter the teapot that an Adepti with black hair and golden eyes had been the one to teach him all there is to know about creating a sub-space. In a way I guess it doesn't really count as his Archon powers because this is simply an Adepti ability but I feel like it's worth mentioning anyway. Looool. As for Mora, I think he simply used the Gnosis to multiply it easily in comparison to actually being the reason for it's creation. According to the Level-Up Material, it mentions that 'The currencies that flow through this land are my flesh and blood. For thus did I become the guarantor of the people's hard work, wisdom and future." so I believe it was created from him specifically and the Gnosis simply enhanced his ability in order to make more in the future. Morax has also been part of the Archon War since he first descended 6000 years ago because we still don't really know when the War started, only that it was already underway even when he descended to Mt Tianheng. We also learn that Zhongli is a very fair and just leader which is why the people of Liyue and even his Adepti would immediately seek him out when things go awry. While it's true that he is mostly known for being the brawn to Guizhong's brain, he's still a pretty smart cookie. Liyue would not have been prosperous as it is today without his vast amount of knowledge. He remembers everything down to the last detail no matter how big or small.
about the illusion power. i actually think he has some sort of time power. rather than making the lyre LOOK like its fixed he made the lyre look/be how it was in the past. sorta like making the lyre go back in time. tho it wont last long
Hey! Can we also talk about the sacrifices or what are the cost to ascend as Archon, cause It seems like every archon Lost someone before their title I guess...
What you say about the gnosis makes total sense. I wonder if instead of amplifying their powers, it instead allows them to do things outside the confines of what is possible in Teyvat. For example, Nahida time travelling.
I’m quite curious about something. If Zhongli can stone see does that mean he could find out information from the meteor the traveler awoke from if it’s still around?
If I remember correctly, it's azhdaha who can read stone memories, cuz he has connection with the leyline. Zhongli only has knowledge of the stones, he has good memories. You can rewatch the quest tho.
@@mukil2399 Ah, okay. I guess my question still stands though, perhaps Azhdaha would be able to stone see on the meteorite if he hadn’t passed away. I wonder if something like that will come up later on in the game
I find it interesting that Venti is supposedly the “weakest” Archon, yet he is the only one of the four so far that the Fatui had to take his gnosis by force. Sure, he didn’t put up that much of a fight, and he wasn’t that bummed about losing it. But the fact that Signora didn’t even try to reason with him when all three of the others gave up theirs as part of a bargain is worth keeping in mind for later.
@@mukil2399 yes, but Ei gave it to Yae Miko to do whatever she pleased. And since Yae is her own familiar, their wills were essentially one and the same. Ei didn’t care one way or the other what happened to the gnosis, so my point still stands
aether an archon aswell? he also has no sis
Cyno explain!
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The funniest part of this joke is that aether actually has a sis💀
@@creation5389you didn't get it, he does have a sis, but since they are not together, he has no sis to travel with.
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Besides, you probably didn't get my comment 🤦♂️
Imagining the Venti cutting down entire mountains and dumping the remains into the ocean like fruit peels is both Epic and Funny.
Venti seems like a monster I hiding in terms of strength 😭😭😭
@@seantakunda909 yeah like in anime those who looks like innocent are powerfull
@@fakeninjagaming9639 man of culture i see...Dazai from Bangou stray dogs or Death from soul eater type energy😭
cant wait Ufotable make that scene
What about Raiden cutting an island in half?
I would like to say a few more things on Zhongli’s end
1. Zhongli as a god is a great master of Geo. Not only did he create enormous Geo Spears bigger than mountains to seal Osial and many other gods, he also allegedly created many Geo Creatures. Among them are huge stone kites in the shape of birds that flew high and crashed down to seal or kill gods. He also created a huge Geo Whale to combat a Leviathan called the Baqiu. And in other cutscenes, he is shown with two big Geo hands beneath him. And apparently, he made small Geo cages to seal away small creepy creatures that infested Liyue Harbor, and are also the reason why he hates sea food.
2. Zhongli is not only the god of Geo, but the Prime Adeptus, or in other translations, “The Progenitor Of The Adepti”. As the Prime Adeptus, he is a master of all types of Adepti Arts. Madame Ping even says that he teaches and gifts many Adepti arts to other Adepti. Though he doesn’t show it, he still performed a few Adepti arts even as a mortal. Some of his Adepti Arts include the ability to make a Divine Prediction to guide Liyue in the future, he can see and walk into people’s dreams and converse with them, he can give eyes to blind dragons, can shape shift to and from a dragon, a human and to a mix of Liyue’s oldest creatures. And Madame Ping says that Sub-Space Creation, the ability to create pocket realms, is also a gift from him to the Adepti. And even the Adepti say that this ability isn’t anything to boast about and is child’s play to them. And those are just some of the Adepti Arts he can do. I’m sure he taught the Adepti other arts, like Xiao’s ability to summon someone’s spirit from their sleep.
3. I know you kinda covered Zhongli’s strength, but i wanna point out a few more things. According to Madame Ping, Zhongli once lifted and moved entire mountains and seas. And Ping and the other Adepti call that a demonstration of true power, which is superior to Sub-Space Creation. And in the lore of Aerosiderite, he fought an Abyssal Leviathan, and killed it. And this was a feat thought to be impossible for other gods that came from the same origins as Zhongli. And the lore continues to say that only power beyond Teyvat can stain the power of Rex Lapis.
P.S: I know some of y’all might think some of these types of informations could be another case of Liyue overhyping Rex Lapis’ feats, but these pieces of lore make no mention of people talking about it. It’s factual lore made by the Mihoyo themselves. They aren’t those made up or overhyped stories specifically told by storytellers in the game.
Also Zhongli is by far the oldest god, since he has been worshipped for that long it makes no sense if he isn't the strongest god, that would contradict Mihoyo's own world building.
@@AndrewManook True. He has been worshiped for over 3,700 years, and even after his death is still worshiped. And worship = power for an Archon. He should be at the very least one of the strongest Archons
@@gabrielaarons6102 Gods power can't depends on people, but maybe only Venti need people faith.
Zhongli power are indeed mysterious, he may know much about powers others gods used before Archons war.
@@Alex-vv2ud Both Venti and Nahida confirm that the people’s faith gives an Archon a boost in power. Zhongli’s people have immense faith in him for over 3,700 years
@@gabrielaarons6102 Raiden don't care about faith and is the strongest archon. Faith only helps builds self confidence, Nahida need this
Even though Zhongli doesn't show the ability to create domains himself, the adepti have shown thier ability to create them. Ping even gives us one. It wouldn't be too much of a stretch to say that the prime of the adepti also can make these spaces.
and i think the adepti say _he_ taught them to
@@crazygirls9000 yeah,I definitely remember madame Ping saying that this art was taught to her by Rex Lapis
Zhongli taught the adepti ALL the adepti arts from forging weapons to creating domains
The reason ZhongLi don't let us in his Domain if he had one...
Its filled with GuiZhong body pillows...
Imagine what kind of domain the heavenly principles can make...
Maybe teyvat is a serentea pot
The day the Archons get Skins of their original appearances will be the day many players go bankrupt.
Nahida would have the best skin no cap, from kid to adult now thats the best skin to me.
I just want Cloud Retainer. I want more megane waifus.
@@idontspeakjapanese6289 Nahida isn't ruhkdehavata.
@@aminulhussain2277 I know that they are separate entities, but they have the same avatar, a product of irmunsul, eventually Nahida would grow up physically and will look exactly like Rukkadevata.
@@idontspeakjapanese6289 for me it's still zhongli tho, zhongli in archon war is just so BADASSS, like bro... He's so cool... That's my opinion tho and I can also see why you like nahida
Something that never sat right with me is how Venti says that the strength of an archons power comes from being present in the nation and because he is rarely present in Mondstat, he is the weakest archon, but he’s literally like the ONLY person who said that. Nahida says that the strength of an archon’s power comes from how much they’re worshipped (therefore, she’s not the strongest) and if that’s the case, Venti would definitely be incredibly powerful considering there’s a whole CHURCH devoted to him (something we haven’t seen in other nations yet).
Honestly, my theory is that Venti said that in regards to the Gnoses. Venti is known to be somewhat a liar in the sense that he sneakily omits stuff, but for the most part he does tell the truth in the end. Considering how Celestia gave the Archons their Gnoses, it makes sense that the power they gain from them are connected through how much they rule over their nations.
This would also imply that Venti didn't receive much strength from his Gnosis, which seems to be fairly accurate. Him and Ei are the only ones unaffected by the loss of their Gnoses. Ei straight up had Yae protect her Gnosis because she didn't want it. As for Venti, he did heal at Vennessa's tree, but we also know that he got affected by Dvalin's corruption, and his Gnosis was yanked out of him. He didn't lose any ability from the loss of the Gnosis like how Zhongli can't produce mora or Nahida can't keep up the Akasha Terminal.
Therefore, I feel like any God in general gains strength from belief (Venti actually canonically has since he was able to form his little elf body after the Gunnhildrs believed in him) while the Archons also receive a power boost from their Gnosis based on how much they rule over their nation.
What bothers me the most is that none of the archons we've seen has actually ruled over their nation. Venti is an absent god. But zhongli didn't rule over liyue, the qixing and adepti manage the nation while he only blessed the land once a year. Ei shutted herself into the plane of euthymia and left a puppet to rule for her. And nahida was unable to rule for 500 years.
If we think about it the four winds share the authority of barbatos in the land, also it's possible it's the two of them which is how many people are devoted to him and their presence in thei nation
plus his lore when he just a wind spirit. when the gunnhildr clan got kick out in old mondstadt they literally pray to survive since the cold harsh wind of andrius might kill them then the wind spirit answer for they prayers. it use their faith to create a shelter for them then the rebellion happened. and the sumero windglider description it literally say's people pray to barbatos to able to glide safe. venti is really jesus bruh!!!
@@gegie10 Wait, the Sumeru wind glider talks about Barbatos??? That's so cool!
Venti will play a big role in the end of the story. 100%
I also feel venti will do something that will make us believe Venti died.
@@UltraInstinct509 agree, this is a popular theory but I think he is the child of istaroth
@@Xels_VT true, he and murata (pyro archon) are most likely to die, either by the hands of the top 3 harbingers or celestia. Because murata has the same name as honkai murata who sacrifice herself for the main protag and is even already confirmed to be a woman.
@@ravikeerthi5272 Murata was a FORMER archon, nobody knows the current Pyro archon.
@@MythrasCrush the current archon is murata, the former died in the archon war.
UPD:
Venti's power is also connected with memories (He demonstrated this in a relatively recent Mondstadt's event in 3.1), Perhaps he can erase memories, because "Stanley" does not remember who Venti is (maybe alcohol also affected, but in any case, what can be granted can be also taken away)
As a bonus: Even though Venti got caught stealing food at the dawn winery, none of the NPCs talks about it, not even Diluс
it's time power, it's wind from the past like he said
and he knows every song past and future
My personal take is that Anemo is a "tertiary" element, deriving its qualities from Cryo and Dendro.
This gives Anemo associations to memories and time, as well as coldness and distance.
@@thegamrpersonguy6077 Oh, why exactly Cryo and Dendro? I'm curious af now
@@WinterCrystal1009 my opinion is that it looks like it's a mix of their colours but I'm actually curious too haha
I personally think Pantalone is more powerful than any archon, because he can simply swipe and get all the 7 gods C6 r5 in his account....
Maybe I’m pantalone…
@@D3A6*Found the Harbinger*
@@D3A6 wish C6 on any character would only cost 100 bucks max.
@@monadolifesaver5613 lmao I wish too
- someone who spent €100 to get a c0 character
@@grapeyard1778 - someone who'll never spend a cent on this corrupt game. I will not support gacha. It's blatant gambling with no redeeming factors. Gacha is an excuse to not make a rewarding system that earns profits.
I'm wondering if Venti's fixing of the lyre was really a temperary time manipulation technique where he rewound the lyre's time to it's older form. Also he could still be awake because he wants to watch the Traveler
In Fontaine we may get to see some of Celestia’s power. They are hovering over Fontaine currently and something I noticed in the Travail trailer is that the structure behind the Fontaine characters shown kinda looks like a Celestial Nail. It even has a similar light around it like we see in game
That is a clock tower
Plus we'll be getting our 3rd Honkai character finally, the 'myserious voice' being Durandal.
Also Fontaine will probably be the first true case of another Archon being elected since Ei and Nahida were natural consequences of their predecessors… by how some NOCs and the Oceanid refers to her I’m pretty interested on the next Archon.
@@Armadan7 I don't think thats right. The character that spoke to us at the end of that Archon quest is unlikely to be the Duraandal expy from the leaks.
Because from what the mysterious voice said to us, they know about the change in the Irminsul which means that the mysterious voice is either a descender or maybe even one of the shades.
She might be the hydro archon but even the archons aren't excluded from the memory wipe/replacement.
@@goatmilk2937 not necessary above Fontaine, i think Celestia island will be secret until last region.
I want to see Venti using his archon powers in game SO BAD
YESS
I wanna see Venti just go ham and start leveling a continent again like he did with Mondstadt but out of pure anger
it has to be in his sexy archon outfit tho
@@boshlovely2002 I KNOW RIGHT??? He has powers comparable to Ei who cut an island in half with the muso no hitotachi. We need to see op venti!!
@@boshlovely2002
It's not gonna happen since he practically abandoned his duties as an Archon. An Archon's power is based on how many worshippers they have and how effective they are at leading their nation. We all know Venti was just a tiny and weak wind spirit with little to no powers during the Archon war. He only gained a great power spike when he became an Archon and garnered more followers. Now that he turned his back on his duties, he's practically back to his original power level.
@@iloveplumpgrannies174 There's no way he lost all his powers cause he's still an archon. And he still has worshippers, just not as many as before. Also Nahida was locked up by the sages for 500 years and nobody had seen her since, and the people of Sumeru worshiped Rukkhadevata, not her. And yet she could still control dreams and consciousness and access irminsul. So Venti could still do some badass shit, if only he were the kind of person who enjoyed combat...
@@fyodorwashere
Did you miss the cutscene where Signora gutted him with minimal effort and he quickly fell to the ground completely unconscious? That's the true power level of Venti without his worshippers. Yes he still does have some Archon powers left in him coz he still can maintain his human disguise but he's too weak now coz he abandoned his archon dutirs. Without his Archon powers he's just a tiny and weak wind sprite. Btw his human form was that of the bard he fought along side with during the uprising against the aristocrat supporters of Decarabian. Venti's first demonstration of his archon power was when he copied the likeness of his bard friend who died during the revolution.
timestamps cuz timestamps
1:20 What is classified as an Archon?
3:08 The Archons' constant set of abilities from a first impression
5:17 The Gnosis
6:28 Barbatos
9:00 Morax
10:58 Beelzebul
12:17 Buer
13:58 Conclusion
Timestamps cuz timestamps
Zhongli has shown teleportation feats, like when he rescued Xiao from falling in the chasm.
is not known if he teleported there or he was there waiting since he knew Xiao was going in there.
@@SaraGon15 he was able to make Xiao teleport when he rescued him.
@@SaraGon15 no but zhongli literally used teleportation on xiao. you can only do that when you have spatial manipulation and one of this spatial manipulation ability includes teleportation.
@@user-zr9gy8hw6y ^ this
Also, the tp powers correspond to his arsenal of Adepti Arts, meaning he has way more hidden abilities.
@@Reader999 oh im sure he has A LOT of things that he kept hidden. zhongli is the most sus archon
Zhongli is also capable of giving dreams and visions (not the elemental one). He said it in his archon quest. He used it to inform the adepti that he is alive.
Raiden seems to be able to control weather patterns and forcibly make inazuma completely isolated from the outside. The ocean fog, thunderstorms, the waves, things only beidous ship with beidous expertise can get by. Very powerful!
beidou supremacy
Minor things not noted.
Venti displays teleportation in the prologue act 1
Zhongli taught the adepti sub space creation according to Madame Ping
Ei is capable of sealing techniques as she sealed both Orobashi and Kapatcir’s remains
I think all gods are capable of "sealing" something.
I find it interesting that Venti is able to bring back the winds of the past to show people their pasts. If not their pasts in a picture form, the sounds and scents associated with said memories
With regards to domain expansion, I believe Madam Ping mensioned on the quest "A Teapot to Call Home"(Serenitea Pot) that her power of making pocket dimension was nothing compared to Zhongli. Hinting that all illuminated beast (not sure if Yakshas has the same ability) has an innate ability for sub-space creation.
Yakshas are still being iluminated beast even if they're more aggresive in some moments
assuming if the Yakshas were taught a lot of the Adepti Arts.
Can we talk about how Morax probably can still create mora? I mean, when Liyue was founded 3700 years ago he showed people how to built houses WITH mora. And the Archon War ended 2000 years ago. I prefer to think that he just decided not to produce it so that he could happily continue playing human
I'd rather not....because that means he's been trolling us even harder.....
Hu Tao: i'm gonna bury you for all those bills.
I think producing such large amounts of mora requires a lot of elemental energy and would be unsustainable without the gnosis supplying it
@@hachikuji_mayoi how tho? Mora is so small 😭
He doesn't create Mora. Lord of Geo is the embodiment of currency system im Teyvat. Mora is like the blood in his veins, and those who do dirty on any contract are the same as tainting his blood.
@@isolatedanonymous1979 He used his Gnosis to battery the minting mill in Liyue. Since it's gone, all the mora left inside the mill is pretty much all the reserves left in Teyvat as we know it.
Isn't Zhongli's burst a way of opening a dominion in the sky to pull and throw a meteor in the enemies? 🤔
Remember serenitea pot?
No but zhongli powers are way more than that. This dude was literally said to be able to move seas and mountains and summon giant geo statues to fight for him. He is broken af
@@stevenchen9852 yeah, in many cutscene.. He's also been shown with a gigantic geo hand surrounding him
Venti very much feels like Lisa in the lore - a character more powerful than they let on who also conserve their power in anticipation for something ominous that only they know about.
Oh nice to see someone does think Venti is sussy. I long suspected him since I completed Liyue archon quest and further feel he is not so simple after Inazuma’s. I have a feeling he is one of they key to unlocking Celestia’s story.
There is also a theory that Zhongli is one of the descenders. His story in the game didn’t change after Irminsul’s memories were. Not so sure if it’s a dev oversight or the devs are planting hints as usual.
Yes another member of Venti is sus group. Also technically they did change Zhonglis story 5 to hammer down the fact that him and Venti are the only original Archons left in roles of leadership or sth like that. Which means he either A) remembers Rukkahdevata as you said (very likely) or B) she wasn’t the original Dendro Archon
@@aravinds3846 It was said the erosion was forced onto him by the heavenly principles. Which means celestia caused him to suffer from erosion which they shouldn't have done if he was a part of Teyvat. I don't know if he's a descender or not but that's my opinion.
@@felixgeofranklin5472 where was it stated that erosion was caused by celestia?
@@kerokero9458 In his Archon quest, I think it was the second one. Zhongli said the erosion was imposed onto him by the heavenly principles
A common misconception people make is that gnosis *only* allow archons to resonate with celestia and gain niche side abilities. The reality is, a gnosis is a very massive source of power, and isn't something that should be underestimated in that regard:
Venti got a gnosis and went from a small wind spirit into a mountain destroying god despite originally not having many followers
Venti calls a gnosis an internal magical foci in contrast to a vision being an external one, implying that the only main difference between the two is that the former is internal and can resonate with celestia. Considering visions offer massive amounts of power to those who receive them, suffice to say that a gnosis would as well.
Zhongli's voicelines indicate a loss of power after losing a gnosis
Zhongli kept the gnosis so that he could return Liyue back to normal should the osial issue get out of hand
Zhongli's character stories calls the gnosis the divine ability to defend your respective nation
Ei was going to use the gnosis as a power source for the raiden shogun
Scaramouche literally used the gnosis to change the weather
The gnosis is used to provide Scaramouche the power of an archon, as was literally the plan of the sages as they believed Nahida lacked the raw power of an archon and they were aiming to replace her with Scaramouche
The power of two gnosis were used to enter the greater lord's consciousness.
Nahida's character stories say that a gnosis can be used to accumulate a mass of elemental energy at one's discretion.
As for the feats of the archons:
*Venti*
Venti is the most straight-forwards one. He started off as a small wind spirit without a hint of divine ingenuity(character stories), then got boosted by the prayers of a small rebel group allowing him to make a small shelter from andrius' storm(biography of gunhildr). After decarabian's downfall, he gains a gnosis and is able to split and throw mountains, creating the GAA, musk reef, and remove all of the ice and snow surrounding mondstat, all with a single divine wind.
The rest of his abilities are sort of vague, as he's able to do some weird things with fake stanley and temporarily fix the lyre. He's also capable of buffing allies, as seen with dvalin and vanessa. He hasn't been fully fleshed out in this regard, though.
*Morax*
Also pretty straight-forwards. He constructed mountain sized spears from the earth and threw them. He also made animals out of the earth and taught the adepti how to use sub-space creation. He pinned down osial with a single spear(vortex vanquisher and roald's diary) with osial being strong enough to make waves as tall as mountains. He beat baqiu with his geo whale and geo kite with baqiu being said to be unparalleled among sea monsters. He also beat the Chi, though the Chi doesn't have much information about how strong it was According to madame ping and various other NPCs who I can't be bothered to look up the names for, he moved mountains and seas and raised various parts of liyue up from the depths. He did this prior to gaining a gnosis, and after gaining a gnosis, was capable of beating and sealing Azhdaha(subconsciously holding back), dragging him across the chasm all the way to the tree that he's sealed at now. He also sports petrification abilities with his meteors, and sealing abilities. That's about it for him.
*Raiden*
Many people focus on her orobashi feat where she cut yashiori island in half while running her blade through orobashi. However, there's a more hidden feat that people often overlook--her killing of the thunderbird. To preface, the remnant of the thunderbird's power is the thunder manifestation which was sealed by Ei after it was killed. According to neko(neko is a cat questline), ako domeki and mittoboru(GAA event/echoing conches), when hibiki unsealed the thunder manifestation in order to help domeki fight off the attacking shogunate fleets, upon spawning, it unleashed a shockwave that not only destroyed both domeki's and the shogunate's fleets(hamayumi weapon description), but also created a storm that fragmented seirai island, giving it the geography you see it have today(1.6 special program). There are at least two different thunder manifestations that the traveler fights in seirai stormchasers and in the tsurumi island quest. A single thunder manifestation was capable of fragmenting seirai island. In other words, a fraction of a fraction of the thunderbird's power fragmented seirai island, and Ei is shown one-shotting the full thing in her story teaser. Needless to say, this far eclipses the splitting of yashiori island.
As for her abilities, she can control lightning and thunderstorms anywhere on earth(shogun voicelines), can create electro clones capable of exploding, can swing her sword so fast that it appears that time is stopped, can create portals to teleport, can move so fast that she appears to go invisible, can cut through space ignoring shielding and character resistances(shogun boss fight), and can bring you into the plane of euthymia, turning a physical battle into one of willpower, which in teyvat, the shogun is 2nd to none in(inazuma archon quest+raiden shogun 2nd story quest). Furthermore, due to both the shogun and Ei having a consciousness, both of them are capable of appearing in a realm of consciousness at the same time. Imagine being ganged up on by not one, but two raidens in the middle of a fight.
To top this all off, all of this was without her using a gnosis, and without her gaining any boosts from faith due to her sister makoto being the face of the electro archon and handling public matters. Until recently, she didn't even fully awaken the musou isshin, and didn't even have the musou isshin during the archon war. Ei has only gotten much stronger since her notable feats now that she is the true electro archon, and has unlocked the potential of the musou isshin.
Finally, Ei's puppet creation feat also goes unnoticed. Ei stumbled across some mysterious khaenriah technology and proceeded to build scaramouche as proof of concept in what would be well under a hundred years(only got the techniques after the cataclysm 500 years ago and scaramouche was already in tatarasuna 400 years ago and was wandering around for some time even before then. She proceeds to make countless more attempts and considering that she is done by present day, each attempt couldn't have taken too much time). In contrast, Dottore, our model super-genius, needed several decades of studying an already finished product in the form of scaramouche before he could go on to even begin making his segments(Wanderer's character stories). After Nahida makes him delete his other segments, Dottore remarks about how they are incredibly difficult to make, time consuming and resource heavy. In contrast, Ei says in her voicelines that we shouldn't hesitate to send the shogun into battle as even if she is destroyed, she can simply make another shogun. A very laissez faire and unbothered approach to the idea of her puppet being destroyed. Put simply, Ei is actually highly intelligent and sports a feat of intelligence that rivals the doctor himself. It only seems otherwise because she was isolated from the outside word for 500 years. A lack of knowledge is not tantamount of a lack of intelligence, which many people often conflate.
*Nahida*
The video basically named every single one of her feats. She can appear in dreams, can give dreams, can put people in samsaras, can create large scale mirages, can telepathically talk to you and hear your thoughts, and can even place you under a dream where you fight enemies from your memories(sumeru interlude quest). These enemies are just a strong as the real thing seeing as the traveler, post shoki no kami fight + with the experience boost given to them from nahida, still wasn't able to simply bulldoze the dream version of the shoki no kami and would have even died to the laser that the Wanderer blocked(travel log archives) While she lacks much in the way of raw power, her wisdom and abilities are nothing to scoff at. She's capable of things far beyond any of our imaginations according to Ei. Mind manipulation is a scary power.
She also, of course, has access to irminsul, allowing her to sift through and delete information from all of teyvat's timeline at will. As shown with scaramouche during the sumeru interlude, doing this to a person causes even the person themselves to forget who they used to be. Pretty powerful stuff.
These are all the feats I know of coupled with what was said in the video. Anyone can feel free to mention more if I didn't mention them, though I'm mainly focusing on things that we *know* the 4 archons can do, not speculation.
Yeah, Ei is not stupid whatsoever. Whoever conflates a lack of knowledge with a lack of intelligence is an idiot and should be disregarded. Not only that, she learns very quickly and has a good amount of common sense about what is obviously false.
Compound that with Ei being quite a perceptive individual. She is SOMEWHAT naive, gullible, ignorant, and/or clueless about modern stuff, but again, she is NOT stupid, learns very quickly, and can easily see and tell what is fake or not. Not to mention that she can easily see and tell if someone is trying to lie to her or not (and she WILL take note of someone's body language and the way they speak due to her perceptiveness), which is boosted by what I said above. She's FAR less naive, clueless, ignorant, and/or gullible when dealing with other people due to the things I've mentioned and explained here.
She WILL critically think about things and question heavily about what she is told, meaning, as well as everything else I've mentioned here, that she will NEVER fall for pathetic, cheap, and obvious attempted lies told by fools unless they can provide significant concrete proof/evidence that can prove that they're not trying to lie to her.
Hell, she realized about one of the light novels (Reincarnation into Shogun) was Yae's idea and writing, showing Ei knows full well about Yae's mischievous personality. Ei WON'T accept someone's words at face value (even if they're a friend of hers) unless she sees definitive concrete proof/evidence. Don't forget Ei is no longer being complacent and is caring about what's happening that's not related to 'eternity'.
All of this can be found and seen in BOTH of her actual, official, and canon Archon Quest and, most importantly, First Story Quest. Both quests are a part of actual and official Genshin universe canon.
Before her Archon Quest, Ei only accepted the Shogun puppet's word at face value because she was being very complacent, thinking that she doesn't need to intervene or interfere in problems that she believes the puppet can easily deals with. Not only that, she doesn't want to interact with the outside world, and doesn't care about anything in the outside world that has zero relation to "eternity". However, now (after her Archon Quest) she is no longer complacent and wants to see and interact with the outside world and see, and care about, things beyond just "eternity".
Hell, at the end of her First Story Quest, she has learned a lot about the modern world (her getting a good, if not great, look at how people live and all that jazz) thanks to the Traveler and Paimon, and is now much less naive, gullible, clueless, and/or ignorant of it at the end of said aforementioned Quest.
I greatly despise unofficial and non-canon doujinshi and parody fanwork/artist cg work/compilations that very blatantly don't take any of what I just started in this post and my previous one into account whatsoever (they blatantly leave it out or omit it intentionally and deliberately, which is disgusting and despicable to me and many others) and blatantly extremely exaggerate her negative aspects up to eleven to purely ridiculous levels. Not only that, said doujinshi and fanwork just very blatantly character butcher and assassinate her and others (even the damn NPCs) and make them extremely out of character, making their "personalities" in these fanworks very bare-bones and completely different that make absolutely no damn sense, stupid, contradictory, unofficial, and non-canon.
These doujinshi and fanworks are thus even more completely and utterly meaningless, worthless, pointless, irrelevant, not important whatsoever, and obsolete due to everything I've mentioned and explained above. They (doujinshi and fanworks) were ALREADY completely meaningless from the very start, from the very beginning, before they even came onto the drawing board.
I could go on and on about this, but these are the major points that I wanted to point out and let you all know. What are your thoughts about this?
Holy fuck what a good comment
Its the itachi vs madara situation all over again tbh.
Ei,morax or barbatos are more powerful than nahida, but they havent shown resistancies to even basic mind Manipulation yet, let alone that itachi level mind hax of nahida's.
If nahida can outsmart them at the beginning of the battle and trap them in a illusion it would be pretty much over lol
Regarding Morax, he can also make geo constructs resonate on a big scale to create giant shockwaves (Gameplay and chasm)
An interesting topic to explore would be, what makes you a god? example: Scaramouche and Orobashi. It's said in the game that the people before Watatsumi asked Orobashi to be their god, and scaramouche is an artificial god but it's still a god since the boss description says so. So I think it's a pretty cool topic to have a discussion.
I think the whole God thing can be summarized into having a worshipper, Scara was almost made one as he technically did have one worshipper (albeit through some form of memory manipulation), and if he wasn't stopped the Sages could've used the Akasha to forcefully make the rest of Sumeru worship him too
same with Orobashi, the snake was worshipped by the people of Enkanomiya, and Deshret was worshipped by the desert people
Having a gnosis makes you an archon
@@MrMan-np9jg And this would make Signora Anemo Archon, but she hasn't Anemo power
None of 4 met archons are true archons, but they are gods.
A great comparison I like to connect to the concept of archons is the chinese religion/mythology of Daoism. Daoism is the most popular religion in China, but it is very much different from other religions: most of its relevancy and main sources are told in folklore and stories, and its main message is that "Anyone can become a god, mortal or immortal." Immortals and Mortals are also divided into two realms but both interact frequently, although still in folklore. In conclusion, you could call it as more of a mythology than a religion, but its relevancy in China and even most of Asia makes it possible to connect directly with Genshin. In some of the stories, Daoism even uses gods from other religions entirely, such as the appearances of Buddha in Journey to the West!
tbf i couldve just summarized the entirety of liyue and its adepti with this but the stories of daoism were my entire childhood foiesjfaoifejaifo
Each archon is unparalleled where they prevail.
Preach brother
Zhongli did not have the gnosis yet when he first created Mora in Liyue Harbor. The archon war in Liyue was not won just yet since Havria was still killed by some other god and her ppl had to flee to Liyue harbor.
Zhongli corroborates the historians statement when they said that the first house built in Liyue was made of pure Mora by him and Liyue harbor was built before him becoming archon (Historia Antiqua, Zhongli's 1st SQ). The gnosis likely was just used to power up the actual minting of Mora for the entirety of Teyvat. I imagine it would take a toll on his body if he were to produce Mora on such a large scale for the entire continent for thousands of years.
But, if it were to produce Mora out of thin air, Zhongli can still do it. Remember the description of Prithiva Topaz Gemstone: "The currencies that flow through this land are my flesh and blood. For thus did I become the guarantor of the people's hard work, wisdom, and future.
This is the trust I have placed in them. Betray it, and you taint my blood."
Most likely, Zhongli said Mora cannot be produced anymore since ppl think that the Geo archon is the only one who can produce it, which he is, but since he's presumably dead, it would be suspicious if Mora were still being produced somewhere. Him saying that to traveler is not the first time he lied to us. The entire archon quest of Zhongli was basically him manipulating the scene to get what he wanted.
Yes, that's what people seem to not notice that he's pretty good at controlling the situation and manipulating others.
Zhongli rescued Xiao in Yaelan's story quest when he used all his power to take us out of the realm. He felt the events that were going on into the Chasm and literally from all the realms he found the one and rescued Xiao at will when his Yaksha was in danger. #ZhongliProtects
As a main Zhongli I'm about to cry :(
Buer is one hell of a threat if she's given full access to Rukkha's memory and skills, she's basically a genjutsu master if we were to put it in Naruto terms, fooling even other gods (Scara's robot) multiple times over, and that's only after she's broken free from 500 years of imprisonment, prime time Rukkha could be even more dangerous
Rukkha also created the wall of Samiel and the whole sumeru forest
@@lafeechloe6998 but it was said that Phanes created world
@@Alex-vv2ud Yeah but there was nothing but a desert instead of the Raiforest before Rukkhadevata
I find jarring the fact of omitting the wall of Samiel, even if it wasn't made by Nahida, that level of plant manipulation is technically in her toolkit, considering Nahida is a byproduct of Rukkhadevata.
Which would mean that every archon has some sort of terraforming capability.
I would argue that Nahida has the same abilities as Rukka, she just doesnt know that she has them or at very least knows how to use them yet. We can see that while Rukka created the Akasha, Nahida knew and was able to shut it down. Nahida also knew how to permanently remove data from Irmensil, but needed 2 Gnosi to do it.
@@emperormaxwell432 I think it may be even possible for Nahida to be MORE powerful than Rukkadhevata. While we don't know the origin of the greater lord, Nahida was the healthiest branch of irminsul itself.
Once she gains the experience she needs she will be incredibly powerful
@@emperormaxwell432 Nahida only needed the 2 gnosis to go to Rukkha's lost and corrupted conciousness 500 yrs ago.
Her deleting Rukkha is completely her own power.
Even Scara managed to delete his existence from irminsul without gnosis. Just by using his left over god powers.
@@unapersonav1522 Just put a little context behind Nahida’s birth
she was the healthiest branch of the sickly Irminsul, Rukka was born before divine knowledge had corrupted Irminsul so she was just as healthy as Nahida
it was a line to make sure the audience knew that Nahida wasn’t secretly infected too
@@boshlovely2002 Makes sense, thank you I clearly didn't thought abt that
I think you missed out a potential form of telekinesis for zhongli.Remember how he saved xiao without making physical contact with him in the chasm and how he threw away the God of Salt (Havria)'s artifacts into the ocean by simply performing hand gestures in his first story quest.
Morax is confirmed to create subspace, as he was the one who taught the adepti how to produce their domains. The teapot we use is an Adeptal art that Morax invented.
Also, Ei has the ability to control weather
About the domain expansion thing the Serenitea Pot that Madame Ping gave us was taught to all the adepti by Zhongli
My guess on how these 4 survived the archon war:
zhongli: spammed his shield ability to make himself untouchable
Ei: distracted the others by taking out her sword
Nahita: smaller the size the smaller the hit box. The smaller the hit box the harder it is to hit.
Venti: sat in the bar and drank a few hundred cups of wine while he watched the battle from afar.
Nahida and Venti didn't participate in the Archon War
Zhongli also terraformed Liyue, cutting down mountains and most importantly, raising much of Western Liyue from the water to the surface.
You mean cut the peak of a mountain?
It stated in summit shaper description
Is there any other statement?
@@mukil2399 yes, he raised Mt. Tianheng by lowering the tides. but also Western Liyue was raised by him from under water (not by lowering the tides but by forcing the land mass to come up from under water). He laughed when Alice made the assumption that he lowered the tides in Jueyun Karst, so it is implied that that's not how Western Liyue came to be.
@@yilinglaozu2754 so it isn't "cutting down mountains" eh?
I know about mt tianheng tho. That isn't the proof of cutting down mountains.
Also, the statement on teyvat travel guide also not the proof of cutting down mountains.
Morax as an adeptus has the power to create mini-worlds like the realm inside the serenitea pot
3:24 unrelated but i love how Gorou ears are animated
dont forget that Zhongli has a Graveyard of dead or sealed gods at his front yard
About Zhongli and Azhdaha: the original size of Azhdaha is not the size as the weekly boss we see in game, as this version is smaller due to needing to be fit into the domain, (mf so fat he barely fits into his own soul) the actual size of Azhdaha can be measured relatively easily, as the tree above the entrance to the boss fight is Azhdaha's actual tail, which means that:
1: Azhdaha is buried underground all this time
2: We enter the weekly boss fight through 'neath his tail. And this is why he is so angry
Which, as a result, gives us 2 possibilities:
1: Zhongli did use Domain Expansion to seal Azhdaha's soul inside of the domain, hence why he does not use it
2: Azhdaha can use Domain Expansion to give others access to his soul to fight, due to him being immobilized
"mf is so fat he barely fits into his soul" bro 💀
A few of ei's other abilities would be to be able to cut through space (lack of a better word) shown in her burst, she's able to place her conscious in the puppets she makes and finnaly she can create domains that have manipulation on time as shown in her story quest part two.
Edit:I just realised that this means she can put her conscious in scara
It’s mentioned that it was Yae Miko that taught Ei how to place her consciousness into objects during the fight against Ei
Honestly, I find Nahida the scariest among the Archons. Her threat to Dottore during the Archon quest was insane.
This isn’t really related to power but for me it’s really interesting how Ei seems to not only manipulate electricity but also space (elemental skill and burst descriptions). And you can also see it visually when she uses her burst, not to mention the infamous line “Eternity is the closest to the heavenly principles”. If Venti is rightly connected to time then I think Ei’s right connection is with space
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zhongli can also dream walk as mentioned in the archon quest by ninngguang. I belive Xiao also mentiones it dusing his story quest?
Great video! I hope we eventually find out more about Barbatos's powers
Yep. Exactly what I was going to comment. He calls it 'gifting dreams' iirc. Zhongli himself mentions doing it at the end of archon quest.
I think just like 'domain expansion', consciousness related power might be shared by all archons (although there's no solid evidence for proof)
I feel like zhongli and raiden have an ap of large country and venti is small country. I would put nahida at large room lvl she could probably break a couple chairs or something
5:17 Bit more on the Gnosis:
Gnoses have 3 different functions as far as we know:
1 They resonate directly with Celestia. (Venti flavor text)
2 They channel a mass of elemental power at the discretion of the Archon. (From Nahida Gnosis story)
3 Gnoses are emblematic for being one of the Seven (from Venti flavor text)
I've seen a lot of debate around the topic of whether the Gnosis gives power or not besides the uses of creating Mora/maintaining the Akasha Terminal. From what I gathered, if an Archon were to part with their Gnosis they would lose some power considering Zhongli's Gnosis story directly states that by trading away the Gnosis he would lose the divine ability to defend Liyue. And by the fact that Gnoses in general are a higher-order nexus of elemental manipulation they can naturally also be used in combat.
i always assumed gnoses are like power over ethernet lol
Gnosis is 100% allegory to Herscherr cores that imbue a connection to a higher will and allow for manipulation of that domain's power.
Zhongli can still defend Liyue even without the gnosis as evident during the archon war and the time before the archon war.
@Wang Jun yuan "Yet no matter how one looks at it, *the loss of his divine ability to defend Liyue* was too great a price to pay." - Citation from Zhongli's Gnosis story.
By itself, the Gnosis story clearly stated he would lose his divine ability to defend Liyue after relinquishing the Gnosis to the Cryo Archon. Additionally, Zhongli's act II also implies he lost power due to his own erosion. Kun Jun: "All life is shaped and then ground away by the endless flow of time. You were always the strongest among us, yet it would seem that even you have eroded..."
@@-Genki Yes, he still has his Geo powers within him despite not being at his prime anymore. He would still be able to fight against enemies by his own as he is still an elemental being that’s stronger than any of the adepti that’s alive in Liyue. The gnosis only strengthens his ability, not provides him his elemental powers.
Great video but I have to note some others things each one of them can do
Venti is the patron deity of Music, illusions, teleportation, time manipulation (to some degree)
Morax show telekinesic à abilities, shielding and geo construct creation.
Ei has some abilities related to time, slash through the fabric of reality, levitation, pure electro walking, Master martial artist, soul transmutation, power giver etc.
Also they're a product of natural phenomena like Venti literally is the wind, Zhongli comes from bedrock, Ei is a manifestation of lightning, and Nahida is literally a branch from irminsul. This just means there is a possibility that they will still live for eons as long as those things exist.
As for erosion we haven't literally seen an Archon that is suffering from it. About Zhongli and Ei, their actions were a byproduct of their mindset since they always think for the long term but they haven't yet suffered from any sort of erosion. As for Venti, he IS the cause of erosion since he is literally the wind. And for Nahida, she is the avatar of irminsul so she probably will live longer than her predecessor.
Zhonglis probably a shade
4:30 zhongli taught the adepti how to create the serenitea pot, that should be a form of domain expansion
Uma coisa sobre o Venti que você esqueceu de mencionar nas habilidades dele é que ele também foi capaz de se teleportar, e assim como a Nahida ele tem algum domínio sobre as memórias das pessoas já que ele fez com que Stanley se esquecesse que ele era o arconte anemo e também criou memórias reais com imagens e sons de eventos que aconteceram e que alguns personagens nem sabiam como o Razor
I feel like when Morax’s exuvia came down from a light in the sky in the beginning of the Liyue Archon quest, that was his Domain Expansion
Maybe his ultimate also come from there
Domain expansion can be made even by humans. The mushroom/pokemon showed that. The guy literally made a domain for the last round that Yae invaded. The tea pot could ALSO be considered a domain expansion.
Loved how you explain the gnosis. As a divine energy instead of elemental one is very consistent because in canon dotore saying that she coudn't use the electro gnosis in battle.
Also, it's canon from Barbatos AND Nahida that an arcon power have relation with the number of people that worship them/followers. In Venti's case he said that because he was out of Mondstadt for so long his power was weak.
While Zhongli had the adepti, Venti was also not alone. He had the 4 winds and his conection with time alone... and Ei/Makoto had the yokais. The yokais are NOT weaker than adepti. From Kitsune to Tengu, each one had their own specialty and made part of the electro archon army. As for Nahida, you just need to count how many Aranaras there are and how much power each one have
Nahida does NOT have the same powers as the full archons and she has said it many times. The first thing Great lord said to her was 'so you must be around 500 years old' which is VERY young in archons terms. Nahida still has the same form the greater lord had when her powers were exausted, so her potential is very much great if given some milenia
Babe wake up, Aster just posted.
Does anyone wonder whether Zhongli's employment at an undertaker's might have a hidden motive/meaning?
I honestly think it was just so he could help out with the Rite of Parting. Since it's basically a funeral for adepti, it wouldn't be suspicious if someone working at a funeral parlor helped to arrange it
I seriously think Morax has the weirdest set of Powers, like some stuff he's done doesn't really relate to him being a Geo User at all.
Morax could rip out the souls of the deceased and seal them (The Chi Lore), Is capable of Spatial Manipulation & Sub-space Creation and is the creator of Adeptal Arts (Serenitea Pot is one of his creations and the Domain where we fought Azhdaha was apparently a Domain he created to seal him beneath the earth), is capable of Shapeshifting and he could enter people's Dreams and give visions to them (Dream Trawler)
as Zhongli, he was able to save Xiao from the Chasmic Maze where Time and Space is distorted during Perilous Trail, Morax having such an impeccable memory to the point that he still remembers Rukkhadevata despite her being deleted by the Irminsul Wipe, and lastly Morax's power was described as something that 'surpasses this world' in one of the Genshin Loading Screens
"The stony halls of The Chasm's depths are the battleground for two powers that surpass this world..." the Two Powers described in the text probably refers to Morax and Azhdaha since they're the only ones we know that fought at the Chasm which were proven because it led to the existence of the Dragonfall Ores.
i hope in the future we can get more elaboration on his powers
Wait what? Zhongli still has memories of the previous dendro archon? When was that mentioned?
@@sauce8148 Yes, Zhongli's Character Story 5 says that "only two of the first Seven remain in positions of rulership" when its should be THREE because Nahida replaced Rukkhadevata's existence as an Original Seven Archon. If zhongli only says two then that means he remembers Rukkhadevata and is reasonable that he doesn't consider Nahida as one of the first original Seven Archons.
And also morax can create live (it's from primodial weapon if I'm not mistaken) and even bless azdaha with eyes. Morax is definitely the most mysterious archon. ... Maybe alongside with tsaritsa
He's probably a shade.
spoilers for archon quests:
i’ve always wondered how venti or barbatos is not a stronger archon
don’t archons also get their powers from the amount of followers they have?
barbatos has a whole church dedicated to him, a statue dedicated to him, events and traditions dedicated to him, his people and even people outside of his nation pray to him on a daily basis. unlike with morax, his people acknowledge him as alive so barbatos still has much support from his followers due to this. is he just being humble or does a followers devotion not matter at all to an archons strength
if followers do matter to an archons strength, then shouldn’t morax be on the more weaker side? it’s confirmed or implied that he has lost followers after he faked his death, his people do not acknowledge him as alive anymore so therefore there is no point in praying to him unless a portion or the entirety of his people believe he’ll be resurrected.
raiden shogun has made public appearances multiple times so her people know she’s alive so she should have a bunch of support from her followers
same with nahida because her people acknowledge her as alive and as their archon (after the archon quests, of course) so shouldn’t she also be strong or have a boost of strength from her followers?
Zhongli has far more worshippers and was worshipped for far longer, it wouldn't make sense for him to be weaker, also the guy was literally called the "Warrior God" prior to becoming an archon, Venti doesn't have such titles or feats.
It's crazy how overhyped Venti is, at most he is stronger than Nahida but both are low tier gods in terms of power.
@@AndrewManook i do believe that zhongli is definitely a strong god in terms of power and raw strength, but may be lacking with it comes to followers in present times in teyvat, yknow?
Great decernment on domain expansion for ZhongLi. I also thought him sealing the gods was such method. That said, why does liyue have so many sealed gods? Was the majority of the War in liyue?
Apparently
Wait, while we didn't witness Morax creating any Domains, from what I remember when Madame Ping gave us the Teapot she said that Rex Lapis taught adepti that technique of creating these small spaces.
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Normal People: "Domain Expansion."
People who know it's True Name: *"Reality Marble."*
If venti knows about every song be from past,present or future it's possible that he has knowledge that was erased from irminsul and that his ballads are also stories erased from irminsul atleast some of them like bp cutscenes
Venti specifically knows "all songs that are, were, and ever will be" or something like that-- considering the value/meaning of allegorical data, this is a _huge_ piece of information.
Bruh, I always thought Ei had some ability from Khaenri’ah to create puppets, but when you say “Art of Khemia” it somehow makes more sense to me. It explains why the wanderer is so human, just like Albedo is. Interesting indeed. I hope we get more story quests in the future about this!
What’s your theory as to why the big slash that created the electro gorge is perfectly lined up to be aimed at the sacred sakura? Especially considering it wasn’t originally there (but was, but wasn’t. Time travel is confusing)
actually, it lines up more with the gap between the two mountains on narukami, so it's entirely possible that the slash was even bigger than we thought
I think they should definitely expand the abilities of Venti and Zhongli and Ei, not talking about brute force or elemental manipulation but the fact that all archons are not only gods of a certain element but also gods of a certain ideals. Nahida's the god of wisdom and dreams and it's clear that she has those powers by her being the caretaker of the Irminsul as a god and by her dream manipulation. Ei being the god of eternity is not so clear but Makoto most certainly was a god of eternity, considering how Ei's story quest ends with the sakura tree paradox and the quest ended in Ei growing as a person and archon, understanding her sister's views better, so I guess she can gain those powers. Venti's the god of freedom and songs and sure the fact that he lets his nation be free of his control is a part of this freedom but he has no powers directly connecting to that, he is a good bard and his songs are magical in a way, so I guess that's one of his powers. And as for Zhongli, the god of contracts and the god of history and wealth, while his mora creating powers are there, his history and contract powers are hard to pinpoint. I mean sure he punishes those who break the sacred contracts but that's pretty vague and just a use of his other powers. And his history powers are a bit too close to buer's Irminsul memory powers for me as a concept. I really hope mihoyo give the new archons distinct powers like nahida and go back to expand the powers of the ones we have because that'd make for a really interesting fight with Kheanria'h and Celestia eventually.
I think for now, zhongli is just to tired and want to get some rest, but maybe, in the end , he will finally broke his first and his last contract to fight along travelers while having his power back to his prime or maybe the archon will be travelers enemy. Idk tho, it's so interesting
So there appears to be two types of systems of magic or powers present in Teyvat which would be Divine Powers and Elemental Powers. I reckon Divine Powers is something that is derived from Celestia or the Primordial One while Elemental Powers was something from the old world with the Seven Sovreigns
Geo seems to mimic contracts which are subject to unbreakable barriers and seals. Probably why he could restrain many gods without having their miasma infect teyvat
You're working a lot lately. I mean daily uploads with no diminished quality is impressive.
I just hope you're sleeping enough.
don't forget nahida's ability to create "enchanced akasha terminals" which im assuming are robots that she's able to channel her powers through to help her (or in this case the traveler) fight
Genshin is about gods stepping down and letting humans take control of their own destiny, this means gods giving up their power(not just their gnosis) and letting humans strive for their own dreams. This also means they are letting mortals lose faith in them willingly so that they start believing in themselves and gods start becoming weaker and shifts responsibilities to humans.
Gods are said to gain power from people's faith in them, but I think that is not a full description of how it works, I think what it actually means is that the more people think their gods can help them achieve their dreams, the more powerful the god is. This also means that people are not believing in themselves and is handing their responsibility to the gods.
We've already seen in all the Archon Quests when people can no longer rely on their gods because of various circumstances, they take responsibility on their own and became stronger and more motivated.
Venti gave freedom to his people and his people took matters in their own hands and defended Mondstadt, over time their faith in him was reduced so he became much weaker.
Zhongli retired and made his people believe that he is dead so that they are no longer bound to his contract and we've seen how Liyue is able to defeat demon gods on their own.
Raiden lost some faith from her people because of the Vision Hunt and they fought back, showing that they have the power to challenge the Shogunate, Raiden then realised that as long as mortals continue to fight for their dreams, Inazuma will be eternal.
Kusanali's influence for the past 500 years was minuscule and people even wondered if she actually exists, faith in her was almost non existent and when the people found out about her, they stood up and revolted against the Sages and were able to save her.
I firmly believe that the Archons are all much weaker especially Venti who has given his people freedom for the longest time, he is not hiding anything, he is content with his position and the prosperity of his people.
And the reason why all the Archons are willing to give up their power very likely has to do with Celestia, perhaps the Archons were the way Celestia controls Teyvat and by handing power to the mortals that's the way they can break free from Celestia. This is Genshin's message that power belongs to the people.
mmm idk Nahida’s whole character story is that even when her people didn’t believe in her she managed to pull through and save them and then she took control of Sumeru completely as the Academia no longer rules over the country but Nahida herself does now, and it wasnt even her people that saved her, it was the traveler (without the traveler who had allies, she would still be trapped)
and funny enough Venti probably has the most faith as an archon as he’s the only archon that has a church and religion
while i do believe theres underlying themes about people having power i don’t think thats a central theme as Ei still rules Inazuma and Nahida has literally taken over Sumeru in place of the Academia
@@boshlovely2002 Every Archon has a religion and followers, but Venti's believers have the 2nd loosest belief in him after Nahida. This is because Venti chose to stay out of mortal affairs and with Nahida being hidden away, their existence to mortals is only held on by faith with no concrete idea of whether they actually exist and is helping them. Most people do not even know if they exist, and with Nahida now reappearing to her people, Venti has become the weakest in faith.
Rukkhadevata also sacrificed herself so that the the brightness of her sun is extinguished leaving behind only a moon(Nahida) so that the stars, mortals can shine in her place. She realised that people placed too much faith in her and not themselves, leading to the corruption of the Sages and Akademiya, her sacrifice erased the Forbidden Knowledge and also gave mortals a chance to now acquire wisdom on their own and shine.
Zhongli had a hand in every single affair of Liyue culture for thousands of years, making his presence an important role in all of tradition, trade and society, of all Archons his people had the closest connect and belief in him. This was his contract with his people, that he would bring prosperity to everyone. Now that he stepped down, people will take care of themselves and prosper on their own.
Raiden is the 2nd most worshiped god as she is directly involved in the government and everyone knows of her existence. She fights wars for her people protecting them for centuries and everyone knows and believes in her power, they have a strong faith in her promise of eternity. Now that she has loosened laws and gave people more freedom, they will start fighting more for their own dreams.
It's pretty obvious.
Zhongli is basically Superman with immense power.
Raiden is basically Flash/Batman with speed and knowledge.
Venti is basically a anime protagonist with hax abilities which he hides.
Nahida is still learning but she's like Professor Xavier from Xmen.
It's very hard to compare and say who's the strongest...
Nice little video but it felt like more of and overview than a full look at how strong they could each really be based of all the available lore, theories, and their in game kits (skills, talents and constellations) which I think might be quite the fun deep dive to do sometime.
I might add that Ei is capable of controlling the stars of the sky by using the lore description of her elemental skill in-game "Beings of great divinity might affect all that they survey, and the Electro Archon can manipulate the very inauspicious stars themselves to defend her retainers and bring a thundering sentence down on their foes." alongside weather manipulation in all of Teyvat without the use of a gnosis
Plot twist: Venti is the strongest, but he can only use his full power whilst sober (never)
Copium to the max
@@charlieg.villafuertejr.9728 It's obviously a joke, it's not my fault your English is subpar.
@@Kaiji... I know, it's cringe tho ngl
I always thought that Ei could just use the Musou no Hitotachi as her nomal attack. From what i known so far. She's the type that rarely get tired in a fight. I also like to think her Musoin gorge attack is never her strongest. Like another normal attack. If her Musoin one doesnt make her went to need a rest and that its attack reach Narukami mountain and cleave it in half which could probably meant that it went even further. Maybe expand into the black area of the map but who knows how far. And how strong and far larger the aoe will be if she uses enough energy to the point she needed 1 day rest before get back to fight again? Not to mention that the ingame map size was downsize to hell for optimization. My prefered size equilavent for the "in lore" size is that 1genshin meter = 55.96real meter. Let that sink in.
I really think you ought to bring up Herscherrs and the Starrail's Aeon's at some point. We know they're all interwoven thematically, and in Raiden's case (and likely the other main Valks) directly shared. Herscherr cores/gems = Gnosis, Irminsul = Imaginary Tree simulacrum, Abyss = Sea of Quanta. Griseo = Primodial one with the 4 shades (her event summons). Also I still have bets on Alice being Elysia. The leyline energy rather than being "radiation" is likely either Imaginary power or directly Honkai. The forbidden knowledge? Well we can't have the Ark knowing about Honkai energy / Quanta to invite them into the Ark so we'll make it a curse to know. Aether / Lumine likely to be Aeons from HSR.
What's also interesting is that Nahida can hijack Katheryne- a bionic puppet.
So it confirms that her hijacking is not limited to living beings. But also mechanical ones, so long as they have a "conciousness".
What I'm trying to get at is that Buer can possibly operate those big chunga Ruin Golems.
Seeing as Zhongli literally gave life to a rock (Azhdaha), It may be possible for Nahida go give to golems "conciousness" and hijack it.
as long its connect to Akasha. now akasha being shutdown for good its limited to what body nahida can control. either the mad schoolar of there is still left or someone that have made direct contact to nahida dreams/ soul which traveler.
Zhongli only gave eyes to azhdaha and they made a contract. Azhdaha was a blind earth dragon.
It was debunked by zhongli himself in the quest after chasm. Even when the quest was released, people already knew this.
Zhongli can create domains too. Adeptal arts are used to create domains.
Remember that the Serenitea pot ability was gifted to the Adepti by Rex Lapis. So yes, he does indeed have domain expansion(s).
We didn’t get to see any of archons full power till now in the game, if there is a ranking of lower, middle, higher tier gods, all gods in teyvat seems like lower tier gods, maybe there are higher tier gods we’ll get to see in the future when we reach celestia
Everyone: talking about lore
Me: zhonglis archon skin looks HOT
We have never seen an archon in peril or even really struggling. Everything we have seen seems like casual use of power and most likely not close to maximum strength. If an archon had true ill intent they could cause countless tragedies before anyone could even act. Even the shogun puppet looked like she was barely trying at all when she tried to kill the traveler.
With how strong characters are in cutscenes, the gods must be ridiculous. Can we just take a second and look at Ningguang and Shenhe. We've got levitation, transporting/creating large complex objects, a town sized Meteor shower, freezing an entire tsunami, casually jumping hundreds of meters carrying massive boulders etc, etc.
What did Ningguang do?
@@hutao3548 creating the giant platform in front of the Jade chamber and either creating or teleporting the Guizhong Ballista's on it. Levitating in the air the whole Osial battle. Somehow moving the Jade Chamber. Creating a massive meteor shower against Beisht.
@@okaybutwhythough7456 Creating the giant platform and teleporting the Balista's was somewhat good...
But other then that there wasn't..
Moving the jade chamber isn't a big feat,and I don't remember Ningguang creating massive meteor shower against beisht,wasn't that was just rock created through magic?
@@hutao3548 I call it a meteor shower, but really it's just her usual rocks, just on a massive scale.
@@okaybutwhythough7456 That makes a big difference,
It's like calling a baby an old man no?
Stronger than tartaglia
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Venti and especially Nahida aren't.
@@AndrewManook just blow tortilla away or control his mind XD
@@AndrewManookShe casually defeated Scara, so Childe would be dead in no time
@@Alex-vv2ud We defeated Scaramouche. She only put him into dream mode.
Venti before he became Barbatos or as Venti per se, he was just a normal anemo spirit, a very small one. Giving him the Title of Archon and also authority thereof caused him to create massive anemo power and new abilities. Imagine how powerful Celestia is by giving such authority and power on a simple wind spirit.
Venti hybernating and preserving his mind and body from errosion would mean he's more powerful than Ei and Zhongli, and if he's only "summoned" during times of peril, it could also be a hint of his power; if he's truly always the last resort.
Lol no, Zhongli is by far the oldest archon and has been worshipped for that long, the gods get their power from worship, so Zhongli should be way stronger than Venti.
Also Zhongli was also literally called the "Warrior God", Venti has no such title or feats.
@@AndrewManook we know nothing about his history, so we know nothing about his power level as well. All we can do is theorize and this was my piece.
@@AndrewManook "Warrior God" is a title made by kids and people who liked theatres, Zhongli also had a lot of companions and comrades to help him defend Liyue.
Venti can also ‘awaken memories’ or at least have a record of time that can be played, as seen in that one wine festival
We have technically seen Zhongli's domain. In fact, we go inside it everyday. XD
Don't forget that the teapot is his creation. He was the one who taught Tubby and his Adepti on how to make their own abode in the teapot. Tubby mentions this the moment we enter the teapot that an Adepti with black hair and golden eyes had been the one to teach him all there is to know about creating a sub-space. In a way I guess it doesn't really count as his Archon powers because this is simply an Adepti ability but I feel like it's worth mentioning anyway. Looool. As for Mora, I think he simply used the Gnosis to multiply it easily in comparison to actually being the reason for it's creation. According to the Level-Up Material, it mentions that 'The currencies that flow through this land are my flesh and blood. For thus did I become the guarantor of the people's hard work, wisdom and future." so I believe it was created from him specifically and the Gnosis simply enhanced his ability in order to make more in the future.
Morax has also been part of the Archon War since he first descended 6000 years ago because we still don't really know when the War started, only that it was already underway even when he descended to Mt Tianheng. We also learn that Zhongli is a very fair and just leader which is why the people of Liyue and even his Adepti would immediately seek him out when things go awry. While it's true that he is mostly known for being the brawn to Guizhong's brain, he's still a pretty smart cookie. Liyue would not have been prosperous as it is today without his vast amount of knowledge. He remembers everything down to the last detail no matter how big or small.
about the illusion power. i actually think he has some sort of time power. rather than making the lyre LOOK like its fixed he made the lyre look/be how it was in the past. sorta like making the lyre go back in time. tho it wont last long
Can't wait to see you hit 100k Subs Aster :)
Me too. I'm looking forward to it.
Strong enough to dodge my wishes🫠
When aster said domain expansion I felt a shiver down my spine
not stronger than this wallet, i fear
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anyways, i was waiting for your opinion on this subject since its debated heavily within the community 😩
debate is fine but they keep bringing herrsher in other hoyo game in which is annoying
@@ucngominh3621 i mean, the games are pretty much connected, so such things are expected to happen
Hey! Can we also talk about the sacrifices or what are the cost to ascend as Archon, cause It seems like every archon Lost someone before their title I guess...
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Didn't morax teach subspace arts to adepti and also has the biggest space in serenitea pot among all
What you say about the gnosis makes total sense. I wonder if instead of amplifying their powers, it instead allows them to do things outside the confines of what is possible in Teyvat. For example, Nahida time travelling.
I’m quite curious about something. If Zhongli can stone see does that mean he could find out information from the meteor the traveler awoke from if it’s still around?
If I remember correctly, it's azhdaha who can read stone memories, cuz he has connection with the leyline.
Zhongli only has knowledge of the stones, he has good memories.
You can rewatch the quest tho.
@@mukil2399 Ah, okay. I guess my question still stands though, perhaps Azhdaha would be able to stone see on the meteorite if he hadn’t passed away. I wonder if something like that will come up later on in the game
Just imagine the shear power that Greater Lord Rukkhadevata could have hold, and king deshret ahh.
I find it interesting that Venti is supposedly the “weakest” Archon, yet he is the only one of the four so far that the Fatui had to take his gnosis by force. Sure, he didn’t put up that much of a fight, and he wasn’t that bummed about losing it. But the fact that Signora didn’t even try to reason with him when all three of the others gave up theirs as part of a bargain is worth keeping in mind for later.
Electro archon didn't bargain the gnosis tho, it's yae miko who did the bargain. Electro archon never used the gnosis, she cut all ties with celestia.
@@mukil2399 yes, but Ei gave it to Yae Miko to do whatever she pleased. And since Yae is her own familiar, their wills were essentially one and the same. Ei didn’t care one way or the other what happened to the gnosis, so my point still stands
Zhongli can send messages through dreams or something like that which he did during the Lihue quest to tell them he wasn’t actually dead