What's wrong with taking the simple meaning of the sentence? God is shown as judging and punishing the various nations and peoples of the world. He clearly does not punish a people or nation as soon as they have any sin, or they all would have been wiped out. He leaves them to the effects of their sin, but does sometimes judge and punish them for specific actions or for arriving at an especially notorious level of sin. So saying, "the degree at which the Amorites have become so sinful that I must remove them has not yet arrived," works perfectly well with the rest of divine revelation.
@@thesaviorofALL Well We'll, guess which episode of the Midnight Ride I just got done watching. Brother Wayne does say to be careful ascribing the suffix "ite" to a Nephilim tribe, as the IsraelITES are obviously not a tribe of giants, and some tribes that end in "im" are Nephilim tribed like the Anakim for example.
@@frankhansman2111 ya I know I’m stil trying to figure it out !! It just seemed like lots were ites but you have a good point on the obvious Israelites what’s the episode called ?I love the midnight ride god bless you and your family
If God gives Isreal time to repent , he shall give the rest of the world also time to repent and prove themselves . He is just and fair to all. Not to only one nation ore tribe.
the rest of the "world" doesnt have a covenant relationship with God unless you take the passages speakig of the blessings to the all Nations of the earth. but romans one and israell enemites being judged would have to be considered. so maybe we woiuld be universalists. ?
@@franciscafazzo3460 The rest of the world is under the Noahic covenant, which is made with all flesh. It's not at all a saving covenant. God tells us the whole world has broken His covenant, as it is written, "The earth is also polluted by its inhabitants, for they transgressed laws, violated statutes, broke the everlasting covenant. Therefore, a curse devours the earth, and those who live in it are held guilty. Therefore, the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men are left." (Isaiah 24:5-6). By no means is there any salvation except through God's revealed Word, which is Jesus Christ, but He still makes temporal judgments on nations. Indeed, it is written that if God warns a nation and they repent He will relent concerning the calamity coming to them, as Jeremiah prophesied (Jer. 18:5-10) and Jonah witnessed, for it is written, ""When God saw their deeds, that they turned from their wicked way, then God relented concerning the calamity which He had declared He would bring upon them. And He did not do it. (Jon. 3:10). Otherwise, we would be in a world where God only cares about justice for the saints. But we do see that nations are judged. Here is an example: "Son of man, set your face toward the sons of Ammon and prophesy against them, and say to the sons of Ammon, ‘Hear the word of the Lord GOD! Thus says the Lord GOD, “Because you said, ‘Aha!’ against My sanctuary when it was profaned, and against the land of Israel when it was made desolate, and against the house of Judah when they went into exile, 4therefore, behold, I am going to give you to the sons of the east for a possession, and they will set their encampments among you and make their dwellings among you; they will eat your fruit and drink your milk" (Eze. 25:2-4). You don't need to be a heretic universalist to understand God is just and judges all
I believe there comes a point when divine judgment falls because a society has reached a level of evil and injustice. This was the case in Noah's time, Cities of the plain, and I believe for the Amorites, and Nineveh--though they did repent hearing and seeing Jonah.
When God told Abraham that the Amorites iniquity was not complete it meant that they were not to the point where genocide was the appropriate punishment. Now, after Israel went to Egypt and came out their evil was so thorough that genocide was the appropriate punishment.
@S L "there is no archeological evidence...." How old does a text need to be before it is not considered archeological evidence? Or does it not count if it is religious?
*Because the LORD God, Jesus, wants all to know that he is the only God and has, patience beyond measure, That none should perish but all should come to Repentance* *2 Peter 3:9*
I was thinking "what if God wanted to use the Israelites to wipe out the Amorites because it'd give them time for their culture to change so as to firmly establish that they were Flood worthy?" and then I see that you posted this. (I say "Flood-worthy" because I recall a rabbinical comment that if Noah was as righteous as Abraham, just enough people would have repented that God would have called off the Flood).
abyssimus The 'problem' with the rabbinical argument is usually that it Places Blame on the 'unrighteousness' of Others.. never the self.. imho. The issue is one of our Free will vs. His. That's WHY religion can't Save.. and the blood of goats and bulls isn't Pleasing to the LORD. It's exactly why Jesus had to "fulfill all Righteousness", literally die, harrow hell, and be Resurrected Beyond the Veil of death, and then remain for 40 days.. still sinless.. and Ascend. It's why our faith must be In Him.. so that none can boast that they have been redeemed outside of Grace.
I have understood that it can be translated "The iniquity of the Amorites has not reached full measure." I don't see that being anything other than they hadn't reached the point of no return. Its not about sin being to many demerits, but God, in His perfect love has and will strive with man. Be is long suffering so that all might come to repentance. But He knows when one has become so distant that they need to be cut off in order that mercy is shown on behalf of the rest of man by cutting off those who are beyond the point of ever repenting. And their lifestyle continuing can only cause greater ruin to those who might otherwise be saved.
You're on to something. You may wish to read my comment I just posted. Michael makes a very common mistake here, the same most Christian theologians make in fact.
Jamie Russell, You have nailed it. That is the context and the sense embedded in the verse and I couldn't have said it better. What you said falls in line with God's ultimate program which is to save as many souls as He patiently waits even for the most evil or wicked man to come to repentance. In my mind though, I am also inclined to think that there is or there must be a specific kind of iniquity that God is looking at here that is continuing to this day, never mind that those perpetuating it aren't literal Amorite descendants or generations, they become associated with the Amorites due to that one iniquity. God doesn't look at genealogy and He made that clear when Jesus said "those who claim to be Jews but are not..." or "you are of your father Satan.." as He was speaking to the Jews. Clearly in God's eyes, it's not race, tribe or family that becomes a basis of what we are to Him, but rather whether we follow Him to repentance, or we continue to live in iniquity and rebellion against Him. Salvation after all, cannot be bought nor acquired thru genealogy nor identity, but by Grace thru repentance and submission to God's will. So, depending on what literally that Amorite iniquity might be, many could be guilty of it in the present day and God is just patiently waiting for them to humbly come to Him and receive salvation.
@@tuberobotto there comes a time when a culture not only does not produce anything of value in father eyes but also hinder anything good it becomes nothing but a well spring of a concept that is at war with father
The Amorites were not an individual rather many individuals in a nation. “He causes the rain to fall on both the Godly and the evil”. There was (IMHO) a remnant of individuals in the country, those who were following God or at least who were not fully evil, all the time. Many nations turned from evil way, repented and God blesses their nation.
Martu, martuk, and marduk are etymologically synonymous for the same ‘person.’ If you look into the history of the worship of marduk, you’ll find that it rises to the very apex of blasphemy, who it really is, and how it ties into genesis 3-6 and beyond. This should help to clear up the answer to this question about the origin of the ‘giants’ and the sheer arrogance of the abomination committed by the enemy of YaH. Their time is almost up. Soon there will be “delay no longer” and Everything will be restored and made right-eous. . . . and here we are, in the crosshairs, finding our Savior, “fighting the good fight” and trying to “walk by faith.”
The answer to this question is in Exodus 20, and also in bits of Leviticus and Deuteronomy. “Visiting the iniquity of the fathers unto the third and fourth generations of them that hate me, and shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me”. Basically God is giving the Amorites time to repent, around 4 generations worth of time (Exodus 20). Because even in his judgement and wrath he is according the the rest of the Torah “long suffering”. God gives us ample time to repent, and his mercy is everlasting. An example where a land did repent was Nineveh in Jonah, where after promising to destroy them for their sin God relents since they repented
Yeah, NO word for genetics, or brain, in old testament worldview. There IS the Jacob's Ladder math, of pulling Heaven down with a broken hip. It is the metaphorical trace of DNA. NOW, wake up to here and now gene drive tech or get jabbed to Jesus.
If the Amorites are Nephilim, then I understand why the Bible says that their sin is not yet complete. Because there will be giants on the earth once more in the future, when the evil angels are cast to earth and again breed with women.
@@emeraldfox7175 Did anyone see that Elon mated? And what with? PAY ATTENTION to the projected and infantile social world, it IS a hollow stand-in for your story. As the Y2K Bug, and Unitary Operator (that was what Jesus did as a computational function to the Bio-LAN), I was denied globally so the world of evil insects could make THIS world out of my face. Now my access to resources to copy perfection having been globally denied BY Human Nature, vengeance from Heaven is sure but less swift in Earthly time. Suffice it to say that my disposal facially is the model of mimetic Divine Divestment, 20 years plus and running. Nowhere to go on Earth for me, y'@ll can start checking out. I stand as forensic accountant to the God of Israel, and Azazel with no lies to tell. Call me the Extinction Event Planner. WHO wants a working Light Saber?????????? Antimatter generator???? Real answer: people are programmed insects that ONLY want more of what they have until they die, and force you to change. Speed upgrade incoming.
Some of them were giants or nephilim. I don't believe there is any evidence in the bible that giants will ever return. This is not holly wood where everybody and their brother gets a sequel. That particular rebellion has been absolutely crushed and crushed with finality by the Messiah's death and subsequent resurrection.
@@lindyavelar7624my understanding is that it doesn’t. People take the verse in the Olivet discourse and insert meaning that is not there. Matthew 24:37-39 (NKJV) 37 “But as the days of Noah [were,] so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 38 “For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 “and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. Ie to the world Jesus will come like a flood and with destruction etc. But some insert the assumption that there will be giants because it mentioned Noah’s flood. A large stretch of the verses!!! Dr Heiser has a good teaching on who rebelled and dwelt with women and their fate.
They sacrificed babies, which is why they were so evil. God gave them time. We also sacrifice babies in our time. God is giving us time to repent as well.
Yes, Bibles cites that smell of flesh of babies burnt in the glowing arms of Moloch statue arrived to Jerusalem. But the star in zyonist flag is not David's star, it never was, but star of Saturn, also known as Moloch, the idol of Amalek, Quevvam and Remfam in Egypt, Chronos in Greece. Bad company! Blessings +
Well it seems pretty self evident that that passage means something has to play out. God doesn't just stop sin before it happens. This should be obvious really. I mean it's easy to just look at biblical experts to explain everything, but sometimes things are in plain view and anyone's guess is as good as the next, as long as we're talking about relatively generic terms and phrases at least.
I believe it’s extremely important to understand what the word iniquity means. It’s a specific sin. It translates as crooked behavior so inequity is a behavioral sin. As trans gression translates from breaking of trust. So it would be a deception of sin. In the Lord’s prayer forgive us of our transgressions as we forgive those have transgressed against us. Just so everyone knows it’s not saying forgive us of our sins as we forgive those who sin against us but forgive us of our deception as we forgive those who have deceived us. Just throwing that out there as when iniquity was mentioned I immediately wanted everyone to know that iniquity is crooked behavior. And that is not my opinion that is translation. Shalom Hebrew for peace
I believe that God had ordained his chosen people to defeat the tribes of the Giants, so it would drive fear and trembling into all of the other tribes and in any remaining giants in that region. Then they would know that the one true most high God was with the Israelites and Moses and Joshua and then they could build their land up and not be bothered, but the Lord God had to wait until Joshua was ready and his people were ready
It may have been that even though they were evil in their ways they may still have possessed some sort of redeeming quality that God recognized where, at this point in the history of the Fall , would be evidence for completing testimony in His Court of Justice where otherwise it might still be said they could have still repented IF they'd only had more time,..
I always wondered... if people had more time here would they eventually come to repentance?... I don’t think so....because God calls all of us and those who continue to close their ears eventually get to the point where they’d never come to repentance and believing the truth....but many pretty much have made up their mind and no amount of time or evidence would change it...I don’t even think that even if God wrote in the sky....Jesus Christ is Lord ....that people would repent ..but i believe God doesn’t cut peoples time short before they come to repentance....for he doesn’t want anyone to perish but all to come to repentance
@@kintsugiman513 I agree many won't come to accepting Christ as their Savior with a longer passage of time, but my point is, during the Judgement, it may be claimed that "if only they'd had a little more time they might have turned from their sin" so this question was allowed to be Graciously answered by allowing their sin to be complete so to Justly seal the verdict,.. Peace to you,..
God had long seen that they were going astray. But instead of exterminating them immediately, he patiently waited until his wickedness was 'complete' In other words, God destroyed them when they reached the height of wickedness and there was no possibility for them to change. Still, he did not indiscriminately exterminate all the Canaanites. Why? Because not all of them were incorrigible. He spared those who were willing to change, such as Rahab and the Gibeonites
I'm not sure I am with you wholly on this one. Certainly it could be an explanation. But also it could be the "cup if iniquity is not full." We see the "god striving with mankind until it is judgement time" as a theme throughout scriptures. Noah and the flood, The Israelites going to Babylonian captivity, the end times ad "because they would not listen to the truth He gives them over to believe a lie" just to name three. We also know that God had prophets of truth in the land at least Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Some could say Baalam was an apostate prophet but that is arguable. We also know God sets up nations and takes them down - the Biblical theme being -taken down for iniquity. So why not in this case?
Perhaps the story of Sodom and Gomorrah can contribute. They did what they did for a very long time before God stepped in and shut them down. Did they finally cross a line? Was their iniquity eventually full?
In Genesis 14 the Amorites helped Abram beat Elam et al. Then if we apply secular history hammurabi comes over 100 years later conquers Babylon and creates laws in the name of Marduk. And about 400 years after gen 15 the Kassites sack Babylon and end the amorite dynasty that ruled Babylon. The timing for the Exodus of Hebrews from Egypt may coincide with an exodus of Amorites from Babylon setting up for Deuteronomy. Also 2 Kings 21 and Ezra 9 talk more about the iniquity/evil of the Amorites
Amorites = the decendants of the 'beloved', martians or jugglers, gog ? Hevites = the decendants of the 'rejected', venusians or magicians, magog ? They are dwellers, exiled rebels, the scattered elect. Once Amor becomes readopted that event will be the forgiving of sins for all of his people, the punishment will be ordained to the not predestinated.
Bible points: 'Death (sin) entered the World because of the law, as before law, there was sin, but it was not imputed' How is it possible speaking of 'sin' regarding the Amorites, as they existed before Moshes, who was given the tables of law?
Looking at the picture you chose, that symbol is eerily reminiscent of the Nazi regime. I suppose their iniquity being full could also, in addition to what has been said, have to do with leaving an intellectual or religious legacy that led to that sort of behavior. The concept of not only superiority of a race (Aryans) but the desire to wipe out the twelve tribes or at least one, the one destined to carry the Messiah into the world.
Where did the giant clans (Amorites) come from if the sons of God who produced the Nephilims in Genesis 6 were imprisoned? Did the same sin happened again afterwards?
I am of the belief that Nephilim seed came through the flood in DNA form in the wives of the sons of Noah, possibly all three of them. The wife of Ham may have been a bad choice on purpose to intentionally go against his father Noah and that may be the ' thing ' that Ham had done to him, then when Canaan shows signs of heavy Nephilim DNA then Noah announces that Canaan is indeed cursed. The majority of giant tribes came from Canaan line. There were some giants from the line of Japheth ( Gog and Magog ) as well as many others. The line of Shem is most pure but may have had rare recessive gene that came forth in Esau as he was a very hairy ( hairy like an animal ) red - haired rough man and that event would have put both the seed of the woman and the seed of the serpent together in the same womb with fraternal twins. Even though Esau came out first he just could NOT carry the birthright and the line to the Messiah. It had to be removed from him. Read King James old testament with these things in mind, pay close attention to names of places and people. It will play out.
I do not believe in a second or any further incursions of Watcher angels with women. If they could then why did it not return to the days of Noah in very short order?
@@michaelszczys8316 I see your point and thanks for your response. I think there is value to that. However I also think about Jesus. If the wives of the sons of Noah had it in their dna would that also say that Jesus somehow had it in His dna? I tend to lean towards the opposite direction. Either some of the Nephilim's survived because Genesis 6 stated that the Nephilims were also afterwards or the same problem happened. The bible is not specific in saying that it happened again so it might not have happened again. In the NT though Paul wrote to the Corinthian women to cover their head because of the angels so it can become a possibility. It's something to think about but the good news is Jesus has defeated and disarmed all the powers of darkness on the cross.
@@christianbogsulen8906 my theory of it is that the amount of contaminated DNA in the Shem line was so small that it was down to the two babies in the womb of Rebecca , one had it and the other was pure. The pure one had to be the one to carry the line to the Messiah.
In the story of Judah and Tamar , Judah was the pure line to the Messiah but he picked up a bad line Canaanite wife who then introduced bad seed into the Messiah lineage. That was why the first two sons had to be eliminated by God. The third son would have also been eliminated as well but Tamar headed it off by getting Judah to have a child by her thus bypassing the Canaanite blood altogether. I believe Tamar was of pure blood and possibly even was wise to the whole situation and that is why she got Judah to impregnate her which also saved Shelah from death. The pure seed had to win out in the end. God has always kept a remnant of the pure seed to the Messiah even when it looked like the serpent seed was going to win.
When God destroyed the whole earth with Noah's flood and repopulated the earth with the three sons of Noah then where giants came from in the Promised Land?
In those days ( of noah), an also after (the days of noah)... there were giants in the land.... () = mine Satan's plan to stop the seed through nephelim offspring almost worked... so he tried the same thing again after the flood... That is one theory...
The other theory is that God changed the angels after Genesis 6 incursion so that they could not ‘ mingle ‘ their seed with men anymore. By the time of the flood the entire human race had been contaminated with Nephilim DNA except for Noah and his family , they had to get wives of as pure of lineage as possible. Shem got a good wife, Japheth almost as good but Ham chose a bad one, possibly on purpose thereby bringing some bad genetics through the flood which surfaced in his sons mostly Canaan. That was why Noah said Canaan was cursed and if you follow the lineage from there you find that most of the new lineage of giants and severely evil tribes came from Canaan. Where it says the little clue in ( I think it’s Daniel ) that “ they will mingle their seed with the seed of men but it will not cleave one to another “ I believe that is a clue to back up that the angels cannot do that anymore but they keep trying anyway.
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I don't believe the Amorites were any bigger physically than any other group of people. Based on the fact that they were prevalent in Mesopotamia and took over Sumer over time, the term Amorite refers to Semitic nomadic people or at least people of nomadic origins, whose culture was a martial culture.
They don't have to be ' giants ' to be Nephilim or at least carriers of the ' seed of the serpent '. Only certain ' strains ' or certain heavy concentrations of the seed of the serpent may have produced giants.
@@michaelszczys8316 Nephilim and Amorites not the same thing. Nephilim are sort of demigods as it were, fallen from one of the heavens. Amorites were a group or a series of groups.
@@jabujolly9020 Amorites were a group or series of groups of peoples that were ' begat ' by Canaan ( Gen 10:15 - 16 ) and weren't even listed by their first names, just THE Jebusite, THE Amorite, THE Girgasite , etc. King Og and King Sihon were Amorite kings and Og was the last of the giants ( nephilim )
@@michaelszczys8316 That is true on one level but the Amorites also were nomadic or semi nomadic militant people who settled down and took over cities becoming the military nobility in those cities. Their religion was very similar to that of the Canaanites and they spoke a similar language.
God is allowing Satan to have his time in the earth until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled and the fulness of the Amorites. This is a sinful, wicked generation. There has to be a time of completion because not all people love God and cannot share in the new Kingdom of Righteousness that is soon to come when this evil generation is ended. One thing to keep your eyes on, Jacob whose name was changed to Israel are the Africans of the Diaspora who were exiled in 70 ad. Our 400 years have completed this year under the curses of Deut. 28. Now, these two things must happen before the second Exodus takes place. Africans of the Diaspora were not scattered into exile to stay forever. It was only meant to fulfill our punishment. Then the whole world will be judged according to the sins of the Amorites. The Catholic priests and men in positions of great authority are for sure guilty of these sins as well as everyday regular people. This is how our modern-day world functions without a care in the world as if there is no punishment for living your life helter-skelter.
The true Hebrews were enslaved in literal, physical Egypt twice: the first was sometime after Joseph’s death, and the second in 70 AD when Titus defeated ancient Judea for Rome. The Hebrews aged 17 and older were enslaved, shackled, and sent via ship along the Mediterranean Sea to work the mines in literal, physical Egypt. You believe a myth.
It wasn't nothing new about wholesale massacres in the ancient world,you better believe God did alot of it,eviel run rampent,I know our Lord have a lot of them warnings,including the Hebrews.God did get angry at times and judgement may seem cruiel but needed.
He was a made up character by one of the fallen watcher angels, who sinned very grievously. The gods were real! They were simply fallen angels taking on the guise of beings that they constructed the mythologies of and for their own selves for the purpose of stealing worship away from God Almighty, the Elohim of all elohim.
@@michaelszczys8316 The nephilim were the actual off spring of the angels and women. They were destroyed in the flood. so canaanites can't be nephilim, they can only be descendants. Someone said Heiser rejects the DNA theory, so I wonder how he thinks they can be actual Nephilim.
I don't know what's wrong with today's preachers but these guys are less than novice I don't even think they even looked at the Hebrew it's quite clear that a nation can sin for a certain time and to a certain level and then at that point it's like," that's it. I can't let you go any further." How pathetic these guys are with weak understanding.
Go ye in at the strait gate strait and narrow is the way that leads to life and very few there be that find it and broad and wide is the gate that leads to destruction and many go by that way.
What? "Fullfill the full measure of the sins of your fathers?" "The iniquity of the amorites is not yet full?" Theres nothing in the bible that says there is a limit of sin, afterwhich God acts? What bible r u reading?
@@premierdebatesandconversat9802 explain ? Because you just threw the whole bible out lol 😂 and if there’s no history (wtf) than how can you comment on Israelites being hittites and amorites be accurate
What's wrong with taking the simple meaning of the sentence? God is shown as judging and punishing the various nations and peoples of the world. He clearly does not punish a people or nation as soon as they have any sin, or they all would have been wiped out. He leaves them to the effects of their sin, but does sometimes judge and punish them for specific actions or for arriving at an especially notorious level of sin. So saying, "the degree at which the Amorites have become so sinful that I must remove them has not yet arrived," works perfectly well with the rest of divine revelation.
It is good to know Amorite is an all encompassing term for Nephilim. This will change how I read the Old Testament.
I think most of the ites were nephilem
Gary Wayne is the best source for this information god bless you and your family
@@thesaviorofALL Well We'll, guess which episode of the Midnight Ride I just got done watching. Brother Wayne does say to be careful ascribing the suffix "ite" to a Nephilim tribe, as the IsraelITES are obviously not a tribe of giants, and some tribes that end in "im" are Nephilim tribed like the Anakim for example.
@@frankhansman2111 ya I know I’m stil trying to figure it out !! It just seemed like lots were ites but you have a good point on the obvious Israelites what’s the episode called ?I love the midnight ride god bless you and your family
@@frankhansman2111 I wish I could just find a list nephilem and not nephilem 👍
If God gives Isreal time to repent , he shall give the rest of the world also time to repent and prove themselves . He is just and fair to all. Not to only one nation ore tribe.
the rest of the "world" doesnt have a covenant relationship with God unless you take the passages speakig of the blessings to the all Nations of the earth. but romans one and israell enemites being judged would have to be considered. so maybe we woiuld be universalists. ?
@@franciscafazzo3460 The rest of the world is under the Noahic covenant, which is made with all flesh. It's not at all a saving covenant. God tells us the whole world has broken His covenant, as it is written, "The earth is also polluted by its inhabitants, for they transgressed laws, violated statutes, broke the everlasting covenant. Therefore, a curse devours the earth, and those who live in it are held guilty. Therefore, the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men are left." (Isaiah 24:5-6). By no means is there any salvation except through God's revealed Word, which is Jesus Christ, but He still makes temporal judgments on nations. Indeed, it is written that if God warns a nation and they repent He will relent concerning the calamity coming to them, as Jeremiah prophesied (Jer. 18:5-10) and Jonah witnessed, for it is written, ""When God saw their deeds, that they turned from their wicked way, then God relented concerning the calamity which He had declared He would bring upon them. And He did not do it. (Jon. 3:10).
Otherwise, we would be in a world where God only cares about justice for the saints. But we do see that nations are judged. Here is an example:
"Son of man, set your face toward the sons of Ammon and prophesy against them, and say to the sons of Ammon, ‘Hear the word of the Lord GOD! Thus says the Lord GOD, “Because you said, ‘Aha!’ against My sanctuary when it was profaned, and against the land of Israel when it was made desolate, and against the house of Judah when they went into exile, 4therefore, behold, I am going to give you to the sons of the east for a possession, and they will set their encampments among you and make their dwellings among you; they will eat your fruit and drink your milk" (Eze. 25:2-4).
You don't need to be a heretic universalist to understand God is just and judges all
This is a title where it's valuable to slow down and read carefully.
I first saw, "Giant Clams - Sins of the Ammonites."
This is such an underrated comment lol
I believe there comes a point when divine judgment falls because a society has reached a level of evil and injustice. This was the case in Noah's time, Cities of the plain, and I believe for the Amorites, and Nineveh--though they did repent hearing and seeing Jonah.
And I believe our time is coming.
Wrong
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Who's time? Don't lump us all together.
It’s generally 120 years after they begin to slide toward sin and are warned against it.
When God told Abraham that the Amorites iniquity was not complete it meant that they were not to the point where genocide was the appropriate punishment. Now, after Israel went to Egypt and came out their evil was so thorough that genocide was the appropriate punishment.
How do you support that view?
@S L "there is no archeological evidence...." How old does a text need to be before it is not considered archeological evidence? Or does it not count if it is religious?
@@efinlaysonThey were throwing their babies in the fire to sacrifice to demons
*Because the LORD God, Jesus, wants all to know that he is the only God and has, patience beyond measure, That none should perish but all should come to Repentance*
*2 Peter 3:9*
I was thinking "what if God wanted to use the Israelites to wipe out the Amorites because it'd give them time for their culture to change so as to firmly establish that they were Flood worthy?" and then I see that you posted this. (I say "Flood-worthy" because I recall a rabbinical comment that if Noah was as righteous as Abraham, just enough people would have repented that God would have called off the Flood).
abyssimus
The 'problem' with the rabbinical argument is usually that it Places Blame on the 'unrighteousness' of Others.. never the self.. imho. The issue is one of our Free will vs. His. That's WHY religion can't Save.. and the blood of goats and bulls isn't Pleasing to the LORD.
It's exactly why Jesus had to "fulfill all Righteousness", literally die, harrow hell, and be Resurrected Beyond the Veil of death, and then remain for 40 days.. still sinless.. and Ascend. It's why our faith must be In Him.. so that none can boast that they have been redeemed outside of Grace.
@@Ricca_DayR D
Amen Deut 5:10 Has The Lord Mercy on them that love Him and keep His Commandments...
John14:15 God Changes Not(Owlam)
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I have understood that it can be translated "The iniquity of the Amorites has not reached full measure."
I don't see that being anything other than they hadn't reached the point of no return. Its not about sin being to many demerits, but God, in His perfect love has and will strive with man. Be is long suffering so that all might come to repentance. But He knows when one has become so distant that they need to be cut off in order that mercy is shown on behalf of the rest of man by cutting off those who are beyond the point of ever repenting. And their lifestyle continuing can only cause greater ruin to those who might otherwise be saved.
Like they haven't finished the complete iniquity, there's more iniquity to come.
You're on to something. You may wish to read my comment I just posted. Michael makes a very common mistake here, the same most Christian theologians make in fact.
Jamie Russell, You have nailed it. That is the context and the sense embedded in the verse and I couldn't have said it better. What you said falls in line with God's ultimate program which is to save as many souls as He patiently waits even for the most evil or wicked man to come to repentance.
In my mind though, I am also inclined to think that there is or there must be a specific kind of iniquity that God is looking at here that is continuing to this day, never mind that those perpetuating it aren't literal Amorite descendants or generations, they become associated with the Amorites due to that one iniquity. God doesn't look at genealogy and He made that clear when Jesus said "those who claim to be Jews but are not..." or "you are of your father Satan.." as He was speaking to the Jews. Clearly in God's eyes, it's not race, tribe or family that becomes a basis of what we are to Him, but rather whether we follow Him to repentance, or we continue to live in iniquity and rebellion against Him. Salvation after all, cannot be bought nor acquired thru genealogy nor identity, but by Grace thru repentance and submission to God's will.
So, depending on what literally that Amorite iniquity might be, many could be guilty of it in the present day and God is just patiently waiting for them to humbly come to Him and receive salvation.
@@tuberobotto there comes a time when a culture not only does not produce anything of value in father eyes but also hinder anything good it becomes nothing but a well spring of a concept that is at war with father
The Amorites were not an individual rather many individuals in a nation. “He causes the rain to fall on both the Godly and the evil”. There was (IMHO) a remnant of individuals in the country, those who were following God or at least who were not fully evil, all the time. Many nations turned from evil way, repented and God blesses their nation.
Martu, martuk, and marduk are etymologically synonymous for the same ‘person.’ If you look into the history of the worship of marduk, you’ll find that it rises to the very apex of blasphemy, who it really is, and how it ties into genesis 3-6 and beyond. This should help to clear up the answer to this question about the origin of the ‘giants’ and the sheer arrogance of the abomination committed by the enemy of YaH. Their time is almost up. Soon there will be “delay no longer” and Everything will be restored and made right-eous. . . . and here we are, in the crosshairs, finding our Savior, “fighting the good fight” and trying to “walk by faith.”
The answer to this question is in Exodus 20, and also in bits of Leviticus and Deuteronomy. “Visiting the iniquity of the fathers unto the third and fourth generations of them that hate me, and shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me”. Basically God is giving the Amorites time to repent, around 4 generations worth of time (Exodus 20). Because even in his judgement and wrath he is according the the rest of the Torah “long suffering”. God gives us ample time to repent, and his mercy is everlasting. An example where a land did repent was Nineveh in Jonah, where after promising to destroy them for their sin God relents since they repented
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I thought it was understood that God was waiting a bit for the full corruption of the genetics of the Amorites to be completed.
Yeah, NO word for genetics, or brain, in old testament worldview. There IS the Jacob's Ladder math, of pulling Heaven down with a broken hip. It is the metaphorical trace of DNA. NOW, wake up to here and now gene drive tech or get jabbed to Jesus.
If the Amorites are Nephilim, then I understand why the Bible says that their sin is not yet complete. Because there will be giants on the earth once more in the future, when the evil angels are cast to earth and again breed with women.
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Some of them were giants or nephilim. I don't believe there is any evidence in the bible that giants will ever return. This is not holly wood where everybody and their brother gets a sequel. That particular rebellion has been absolutely crushed and crushed with finality by the Messiah's death and subsequent resurrection.
Where does the Bible say that there will be giants on the land again? Not challenging just want to know, thanks 🙏🏼
@@lindyavelar7624my understanding is that it doesn’t. People take the verse in the Olivet discourse and insert meaning that is not there. Matthew 24:37-39 (NKJV) 37 “But as the days of Noah [were,] so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 38 “For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 “and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.
Ie to the world Jesus will come like a flood and with destruction etc. But some insert the assumption that there will be giants because it mentioned Noah’s flood. A large stretch of the verses!!!
Dr Heiser has a good teaching on who rebelled and dwelt with women and their fate.
They sacrificed babies, which is why they were so evil. God gave them time.
We also sacrifice babies in our time. God is giving us time to repent as well.
Yes, Bibles cites that smell of flesh of babies burnt in the glowing arms of Moloch statue arrived to Jerusalem.
But the star in zyonist flag is not David's star, it never was, but star of Saturn, also known as Moloch, the idol of Amalek, Quevvam and Remfam in Egypt, Chronos in Greece.
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Well it seems pretty self evident that that passage means something has to play out. God doesn't just stop sin before it happens. This should be obvious really. I mean it's easy to just look at biblical experts to explain everything, but sometimes things are in plain view and anyone's guess is as good as the next, as long as we're talking about relatively generic terms and phrases at least.
Amorites were interesting. They were absorbed into Babylonian culture after being essentially barbarians for a long long time.
I believe it’s extremely important to understand what the word iniquity means. It’s a specific sin. It translates as crooked behavior so inequity is a behavioral sin. As trans gression translates from breaking of trust. So it would be a deception of sin. In the Lord’s prayer forgive us of our transgressions as we forgive those have transgressed against us. Just so everyone knows it’s not saying forgive us of our sins as we forgive those who sin against us but forgive us of our deception as we forgive those who have deceived us. Just throwing that out there as when iniquity was mentioned I immediately wanted everyone to know that iniquity is crooked behavior. And that is not my opinion that is translation. Shalom Hebrew for peace
in·iq·ui·ty
/iˈnikwədē/
noun
immoral or grossly unfair behavior.
"a den of iniquity
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I believe that God had ordained his chosen people to defeat the tribes of the Giants, so it would drive fear and trembling into all of the other tribes and in any remaining giants in that region. Then they would know that the one true most high God was with the Israelites and Moses and Joshua and then they could build their land up and not be bothered, but the Lord God had to wait until Joshua was ready and his people were ready
It may have been that even though they were evil in their ways they may still have possessed some sort of redeeming quality that God recognized where, at this point in the history of the Fall , would be evidence for completing testimony in His Court of Justice where otherwise it might still be said they could have still repented IF they'd only had more time,..
I always wondered... if people had more time here would they eventually come to repentance?... I don’t think so....because God calls all of us and those who continue to close their ears eventually get to the point where they’d never come to repentance and believing the truth....but many pretty much have made up their mind and no amount of time or evidence would change it...I don’t even think that even if God wrote in the sky....Jesus Christ is Lord ....that people would repent ..but i believe God doesn’t cut peoples time short before they come to repentance....for he doesn’t want anyone to perish but all to come to repentance
@@kintsugiman513 I agree many won't come to accepting Christ as their Savior with a longer passage of time, but my point is, during the Judgement, it may be claimed that "if only they'd had a little more time they might have turned from their sin" so this question was allowed to be Graciously answered by allowing their sin to be complete so to Justly seal the verdict,.. Peace to you,..
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Perfect answer
God had long seen that they were going astray. But instead of exterminating them immediately, he patiently waited until his wickedness was 'complete'
In other words, God destroyed them when they reached the height of wickedness and there was no possibility for them to change. Still, he did not indiscriminately exterminate all the Canaanites. Why? Because not all of them were incorrigible. He spared those who were willing to change, such as Rahab and the Gibeonites
I'm not sure I am with you wholly on this one. Certainly it could be an explanation. But also it could be the "cup if iniquity is not full." We see the "god striving with mankind until it is judgement time" as a theme throughout scriptures. Noah and the flood, The Israelites going to Babylonian captivity, the end times ad "because they would not listen to the truth He gives them over to believe a lie" just to name three. We also know that God had prophets of truth in the land at least Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Some could say Baalam was an apostate prophet but that is arguable. We also know God sets up nations and takes them down - the Biblical theme being -taken down for iniquity. So why not in this case?
Perhaps the story of Sodom and Gomorrah can contribute. They did what they did for a very long time before God stepped in and shut them down. Did they finally cross a line? Was their iniquity eventually full?
In Genesis 14 the Amorites helped Abram beat Elam et al. Then if we apply secular history hammurabi comes over 100 years later conquers Babylon and creates laws in the name of Marduk. And about 400 years after gen 15 the Kassites sack Babylon and end the amorite dynasty that ruled Babylon. The timing for the Exodus of Hebrews from Egypt may coincide with an exodus of Amorites from Babylon setting up for Deuteronomy.
Also 2 Kings 21 and Ezra 9 talk more about the iniquity/evil of the Amorites
I would love to hear a historian confirm or deny this, very interesting
Did Esau in-breed with the giant clan(s)? Could you direct me to Scripture?
Anyone else think at first that it said "Giant Clams"?
Amorites = the decendants of the 'beloved', martians or jugglers, gog ?
Hevites = the decendants of the 'rejected', venusians or magicians, magog ?
They are dwellers, exiled rebels, the scattered elect. Once Amor becomes readopted that event will be
the forgiving of sins for all of his people, the punishment will be ordained to the not predestinated.
Amorite = Martu = Marad = Rebellion
Marduk?
@@betsybarnicle8016 Marduk, exactly!
Abraham father was an amorite. . Which makes him amorite right ?
I read somewhere about Hammurabi that his name has that root of Amorite in it.
The punishment was the coming flood.
Bible points: 'Death (sin) entered the World because of the law, as before law, there was sin, but it was not imputed'
How is it possible speaking of 'sin' regarding the Amorites, as they existed before Moshes, who was given the tables of law?
Looking at the picture you chose, that symbol is eerily reminiscent of the Nazi regime. I suppose their iniquity being full could also, in addition to what has been said, have to do with leaving an intellectual or religious legacy that led to that sort of behavior. The concept of not only superiority of a race (Aryans) but the desire to wipe out the twelve tribes or at least one, the one destined to carry the Messiah into the world.
Where did the giant clans (Amorites) come from if the sons of God who produced the Nephilims in Genesis 6 were imprisoned? Did the same sin happened again afterwards?
I am of the belief that Nephilim seed came through the flood in DNA form in the wives of the sons of Noah, possibly all three of them.
The wife of Ham may have been a bad choice on purpose to intentionally go
against his father Noah and that may be the ' thing ' that Ham had done to him, then when Canaan shows signs of heavy Nephilim DNA then Noah announces that Canaan is indeed cursed. The majority of giant tribes came from Canaan line.
There were some giants from the line of Japheth ( Gog and Magog ) as well as many others. The line of Shem is most pure but may have had rare recessive gene that came forth in Esau as he was a very hairy ( hairy like an animal ) red - haired rough man and that event would have put both the seed of the woman and the seed of the serpent together in the same womb with fraternal twins.
Even though Esau came out first he just could NOT carry the birthright and the line to the Messiah. It had to be removed from him.
Read King James old testament with these things in mind, pay close attention to names of places and people. It will play out.
I do not believe in a second or any further incursions of Watcher angels with women. If they could then why did it not return to the days of Noah in very short order?
@@michaelszczys8316 I see your point and thanks for your response. I think there is value to that. However I also think about Jesus. If the wives of the sons of Noah had it in their dna would that also say that Jesus somehow had it in His dna? I tend to lean towards the opposite direction. Either some of the Nephilim's survived because Genesis 6 stated that the Nephilims were also afterwards or the same problem happened. The bible is not specific in saying that it happened again so it might not have happened again. In the NT though Paul wrote to the Corinthian women to cover their head because of the angels so it can become a possibility. It's something to think about but the good news is Jesus has defeated and disarmed all the powers of darkness on the cross.
@@christianbogsulen8906 my theory of it is that the amount of contaminated DNA in the Shem line was so small that it was down to the two babies in the womb of Rebecca , one had it and the other was pure. The pure one had to be the one to carry the line to the Messiah.
In the story of Judah and Tamar , Judah was the pure line to the Messiah but he picked up a bad line Canaanite wife who then introduced bad seed into the Messiah lineage. That was why the first two sons had to be eliminated by God. The third son would have also been eliminated as well but Tamar headed it off by getting Judah to have a child by her thus bypassing the Canaanite blood altogether. I believe Tamar was of pure blood and possibly even was wise to the whole situation and that is why she got Judah to impregnate her which also saved Shelah from death.
The pure seed had to win out in the end.
God has always kept a remnant of the pure seed to the Messiah even when it looked like the serpent seed was going to win.
Seems like America is in this ballpark now.
When God destroyed the whole earth with Noah's flood and repopulated the earth with the three sons of Noah then where giants came from in the Promised Land?
In those days ( of noah), an also after (the days of noah)... there were giants in the land....
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Satan's plan to stop the seed through nephelim offspring almost worked... so he tried the same thing again after the flood...
That is one theory...
The other theory is that God changed the angels after Genesis 6 incursion so that they could not ‘ mingle ‘ their seed with men anymore. By the time of the flood the entire human race had been contaminated with Nephilim DNA except for Noah and his family , they had to get wives of as pure of lineage as possible. Shem got a good wife, Japheth almost as good but Ham chose a bad one, possibly on purpose thereby bringing some bad genetics through the flood which surfaced in his sons mostly Canaan. That was why Noah said Canaan was cursed and if you follow the lineage from there you find that most of the new lineage of giants and severely evil tribes came from Canaan.
Where it says the little clue in ( I think it’s Daniel ) that “ they will mingle their seed with the seed of men but it will not cleave one to another “ I believe that is a clue to back up that the angels cannot do that anymore but they keep trying anyway.
The wives of the sons of noah maybe.
It's Satans 6000-year rule. That time is up.
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I don't believe the Amorites were any bigger physically than any other group of people. Based on the fact that they were prevalent in Mesopotamia and took over Sumer over time, the term Amorite refers to Semitic nomadic people or at least people of nomadic origins, whose culture was a martial culture.
They don't have to be ' giants ' to be Nephilim or at least carriers of the ' seed of the serpent '.
Only certain ' strains ' or certain heavy concentrations of the seed of the serpent may have produced giants.
@@michaelszczys8316 Nephilim and Amorites not the same thing. Nephilim are sort of demigods as it were, fallen from one of the heavens. Amorites were a group or a series of groups.
@@jabujolly9020 Amorites were a group or series of groups of peoples that were
' begat ' by Canaan ( Gen 10:15 - 16 ) and weren't even listed by their first names, just THE Jebusite, THE Amorite, THE Girgasite , etc. King Og and King Sihon were Amorite kings and Og was the last of the giants ( nephilim )
@@michaelszczys8316 That is true on one level but the Amorites also were nomadic or semi nomadic militant people who settled down and took over cities becoming the military nobility in those cities. Their religion was very similar to that of the Canaanites and they spoke a similar language.
@@jabujolly9020 I would imagine they were similar to the Canaanites as they were Canaanites themselves. They came from Canaan
But why show an image that reflects Zoroaster?
Babylon was ruled by a people group named the Amorites after the fall of the Acadian empire started by sargon. It is not a general term.
To re-emerge very soon on the same manner exactly where it left off
anything about the Hivites?..from Dr. Michael Heiser..
Hivites is trending on Twitter..#Qanon
Hi, was this from the Naked Bible Podcast, if so which episode?
God is allowing Satan to have his time in the earth until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled and the fulness of the Amorites. This is a sinful, wicked generation. There has to be a time of completion because not all people love God and cannot share in the new Kingdom of Righteousness that is soon to come when this evil generation is ended. One thing to keep your eyes on, Jacob whose name was changed to Israel are the Africans of the Diaspora who were exiled in 70 ad. Our 400 years have completed this year under the curses of Deut. 28. Now, these two things must happen before the second Exodus takes place. Africans of the Diaspora were not scattered into exile to stay forever. It was only meant to fulfill our punishment. Then the whole world will be judged according to the sins of the Amorites. The Catholic priests and men in positions of great authority are for sure guilty of these sins as well as everyday regular people. This is how our modern-day world functions without a care in the world as if there is no punishment for living your life helter-skelter.
The true Hebrews were enslaved in literal, physical Egypt twice: the first was sometime after Joseph’s death, and the second in 70 AD when Titus defeated ancient Judea for Rome. The Hebrews aged 17 and older were enslaved, shackled, and sent via ship along the Mediterranean Sea to work the mines in literal, physical Egypt. You believe a myth.
Wasn't it the descendants of Esau that wiped out the Amorites?
It wasn't nothing new about wholesale massacres in the ancient world,you better believe God did alot of it,eviel run rampent,I know our Lord have a lot of them warnings,including the Hebrews.God did get angry at times and judgement may seem cruiel but needed.
Amorite sin will be complete after the anti christ is done working His judgement upon those that don’t want the real Jesus.
I thought Martu/Mardu/Marduk/Mardon was the son of Nimrod. 🤔
Mars is a planet ; a dweller or rebel
No it's what they worshipped it's a demon
Nimrod > NMRD > En Mardu (king mardu)
He was a made up character by one of the fallen watcher angels, who sinned very grievously. The gods were real! They were simply fallen angels taking on the guise of beings that they constructed the mythologies of and for their own selves for the purpose of stealing worship away from God Almighty, the Elohim of all elohim.
Who were the amorites which all tribes fall under this family
Ghanved Singh they were Canaanites
@@paulmatthias7500 thanks
They are the nephilim
Canaanites which were mostly Nephilim tribes from the line of Canaan whose mother carried the corrupted seed line through the flood.
@@michaelszczys8316 The nephilim were the actual off spring of the angels and women. They were destroyed in the flood. so canaanites can't be nephilim, they can only be descendants. Someone said Heiser rejects the DNA theory, so I wonder how he thinks they can be actual Nephilim.
Amorites are the Syrians
That was allot of talk that amounted to nothing.
I don't know what's wrong with today's preachers but these guys are less than novice I don't even think they even looked at the Hebrew it's quite clear that a nation can sin for a certain time and to a certain level and then at that point it's like," that's it. I can't let you go any further." How pathetic these guys are with weak understanding.
Go ye in at the strait gate strait and narrow is the way that leads to life and very few there be that find it and broad and wide is the gate that leads to destruction and many go by that way.
Amorites are Americans,who slaved God's people for 400 years
i think it has to do wit epigenetics
You really sound confused with your explanation and not clear with your points .
According to my DNA results I m 28% canaan and 20% amorite.
😂 ok?
What? "Fullfill the full measure of the sins of your fathers?" "The iniquity of the amorites is not yet full?"
Theres nothing in the bible that says there is a limit of sin, afterwhich God acts? What bible r u reading?
What do you do with Prov. 29:1 then?
Prov.29
[1] He who is often reproved, yet stiffens his neck
will suddenly be broken beyond healing.
The isrealites were a mixture of amorites and hittites
Seriously? You don't know history.
That sound very wrong 😑
There’s no history lol
No David , Solomon , Abraham , Moses , or Joshua ever existed
@@premierdebatesandconversat9802 explain ? Because you just threw the whole bible out lol 😂 and if there’s no history (wtf) than how can you comment on Israelites being hittites and amorites be accurate