He was my hero when I was 16. Was the great pitcher I have ever seen pitch. No one was better. Was so honored to be able to watch him. I was born at the right time. Thank you Sandy.
Even though I was born in 1994, Sandy's mechanics were just so beautiful like a work of art that he's been arguably my favorite athlete of all time (alongside Nolan Ryan) since I was reading about him as a kid. He is truly an all-time great and arguably the greatest pitcher ever
Growing up in Brooklyn, and started going to Ebbets Field in 1951 ... I was a loyal Dodger fan ... till they left. When Koufax started playing .. I was in Heaven. I had gone to Lafayette HS ,. bot long after Koufax graduated. He was, and still is, a hero. The Dodgers were a home town team. I really miss those great times.
This was quite possibly the best game ever pitched by two pitchers. You can’t get better than Sandy Koufax that night, but Bob Hendley for the Chicago Cubs pitched extremely well too.. The only run scored was unearned.
Back in 1992, my buddies & I went to go see Jeff Torborg who was managing the Mets. He was speaking in NYC. Anyway, he caught Koufax's perfect game. He told us about each pitch in that game. He said in all his years, he has never seen a more devastating curveball than Koufax's. Mr. Torborg said that Koufax had very long fingers & that helped with his curve. It was 12-6 & dropped a foot. He also caught Nolan Ryan's 1st no hitter.
Sandy Koufax became my hero when he not only helped beat the Yankees in the '63 World Series, but also set the Series strikeout record at 15 until Gibson broke it .
Koufax used mainly fastballs in game 7 of the 1965 World Series. Pitching on 2 days rest he couldn't get his curve ball over for a strike. Using only his fastball he still pitched a shutout only allowing 3 hits, and that was against Tony Oliva, Harmon Killebrew, Zoilo Versalles and the rest of the Twins.
You can see the fast ball rise in this footage. And Pete Rose, one of the best hitters ever describes his curve as falling off the table. You can also see that here.
As the late, great, Hank Aaron said: "I don't think they (scientist) ever played baseball." I think 'Bad Henry' has a point. From where the batter stands and looks at the ball coming in, it looks to be right where you're swinging the bat. But no, the ball is just above your bat and you swing and miss.
I mean I hate to say it but it's also blatantly wrong, Sandy's fastball was great of course but by no means did it literally rise, in all of the footage afterward there are no pitches that come close to rising. If they literally rose then they'd be 2 feet over the batter's heads, the pitcher was 15 inches above the batter back then
It appears that way to the batter because they almost always swing under the fastball. That's because they swing harder trying to 'catch up' to it. @@SirTylerGolf
@@felixmadison5736 right, I totally agree that some fastballs appear to rise, but that's just because they sink less, which admittedly is the same effect, but still at no point does the ball ever go up
I did; and it WAS incredible. Not just them, but Drysdale, Marichal, Jenkins ... all greats. Collectively they were the reason for the pitching changes instituted in the late 60's. Fast forward to today, and the game is basically home run derby.
Hard to believe this happened so long ago!...in 1967, my high school coach showed me an article in a coaches magazine. It showed Sandy Kofax, stop action photos,, with his shirt off, pitching. I'll never forget how extremely muscled-up his core was! He must have been doing 1000 sit-ups daily, as a warm up!...AWESOME! I believe the article stated he was very reluctant to do the pics, but he allowed them to be used for training, only. Over the years I've tryed to find the pics,but, I'm afraid they are gone forever. I had the same shock when I saw a young Tiger Woods with his shirt off. It's just amazing how much muscle a shirt or a jersey can cover up and hide!..Thank You!...Bill Barker.
@@vincentrodriguez947 *I understand that, but once it's clear that something historic is happening, you would think that someone would've had the common sense and presence of mind to start recording.*
@@JackFlaps *No, you Dingleberry. That's not what I meant. I'm talking about radio and/or television network personnel that were in the stadium while the game was going on. You must have a bowl of stale oatmeal in your head.*
I don't know if it was actually televised. Don't forget, there were only like three TV channels back then. No regional sports networks or MLB Network. This was just another regular-season game, so perhaps some primetime TV show took priority. And if it was televised, video tape was state-of-the-art and thus expensive back then. It was not necessarily taped. Plus, very often tapes got wiped and reused. It is shocking what broadcasters often deemed erasable back then. Ask the Doctor Who fans in the UK!
Two notes about the Perfect Game. It was actually a scheduled one game stop for the Cubs. Byron Browne made his MLB debut in this game. Only struck out once which was better than Ernie did that night.
The tales of the great Sandy Koufax seem to take on the quality of a Greek Myth. And deservedly so!! An unbelievably gifted athlete, Koufax struggled mightily in his first several seasons. Then a tip from Dodger catcher Norm Sherry transformed him into the pitcher of the century. Simply dont throw as hard!! By not overthrowing Koufax combined power and control like no pitcher before or since. In the words of the great Hank Aaron, a fastball that would actually rise. Far more difficult to hit than a sinking fastball. According to accounts, Koufax's curve was so great as to be nearly unhittable. This despite having a quirk in his mechanics that actually tipped off that he would throw it. In my opinion, the greatest indication of his peerless skill was that he wasnt a "Mean Pitcher." His Dodger teammate Don Drysdale and Bob Gibson would throw a beanball at their own mother!! Had Koufax possessed a mean streak he would have been even more unstoppable. A sobering thought indeed!! The greatest five season stretch in the history of the game. As open and shut as a book of fables. Which is exactly where Sandy Koufax belongs. Away from the world of mere mortals.
The Cubs pitcher, Bob Hendley, threw a great game too, a one hitter and only allowed two baserunners. The game holds the record for fewest total baserunners in a game, with two, and the fewest total hits in a game, one. The only run that the Dodgers scored was unearned.
Great video. I wanted to see if Koufax was a curve or maybe the slider that's thrown today that's shaped like a curveball. Watching this video Koufax did roll the wrist, that makes it a curve. Sandy didn't realize if he used a stiff wrist with that curve he would have generated the non traditional slider Cole, Snell, Glasnow now throw. Sandy obviously didn't need it but he only averaged 9.3 K's per game. If Koufax, Gooden, Ryan knew the same slider Cole, Snell, Glasnow threw they ALL would have had much higher strikeout number. I'm not here to blow my own horn, I want people to get educated what's happening in MLB. Since May 2018 dozens of pitchers are throwing a different kind of slider. Just look at the strikeout rates since 2018. 2018 was the 1st yr in MLB that there were more strikeouts than hits. That happened cause of a NEW DIFFERENT SLIDER. Cole and Snell are great examples, BOTH couldn't avg over a K an IP until 2018, they learned a new slider! This message is very important because what I'm writing here is a piece of Major League history. There always was a traditional slider that some mastered but that slider had a off center grip with a bad tilt and it got a bad name cause of lots of injuries. I learned a different type of slider from Joe Garagiola in 1978, I was in 7th grade, when I threw it for the 1st time I knew it was the same type of slider Ron Guidry and Steve Carlton threw. I was the best in my area of Pennsylvania cause of that slider and I was never going to tell any other pitcher how to throw it. Moving forward in May 2018 I got on twitter and messaged hundreds of ML pitchers how to throw the slider I call the "Football Slider" I call it that cause my football slider is thrown like a football with a stiff wrist, with a ON CENTER fastball grip. For proof and research purposes please go to my twitter @rbeshens and look at some of the 8000 tweets. MLB baseball reference Tom Tango a MLB SR data architect contacted me in Nov 2018 cause Brandon McCarthy asked me how to throw it May 29 2018 and threw my football slider June 2 2018 vs Nat's. Brandon messaged back to me June 3 2018 that he used it June 2 2018 vs Nats he said he struck out Rendon, Turner, Gonzales with my football slider. There was 34 k''s in that game, Jesse Biddle whiffed 8 in 3 IP with my football slider. Tom Tango said in the message to me Nov 26 2018 "Lets call it football slider for now" Instead of giving me credit he stopped communications with me and now a few years later the "Sweeper" pitch is my football slider from May 2018 on twitter. The sweeper is my football slider thrown from a lower arm angle and if thrown over the top it gets the vertical drop Cole, Snell, Glasnow get. Notice since 2018 many ML pitchers mentioned they are changing their slider grip? That's my football slider. When they say they grip it like their fastball or it's on center, that's my football slider. Michael King a couple years ago slipped up and actually admitted the Yankees pitching coaches are teaching football, stiff wrist. That's my football slider. I would love to do a podcast or video with you on the slider that's taken over MLB since May 2018. At the very least do a podcast with me and don't publish it, I promise you one day you will be happy you did. Best Regards, Roger Beshens
Yeah, poor ol' Harv didn't have much going for him after he won the A.L. batting title with a .353 average at tender age of 23. Then it was mostly downhill, dying of heart disease and diabetes at the 'young' age of 57.
Great legs and overall athleticism generate the leverage drive and momentum to throw that hard. His mechanics were pretty good for that era. Maybe not the high leg kick but the drive off the back leg and the over the top delivery. Compared to todays baseball like a 80 guys that can throw 100mph.
His back foot stays down on FB but on curve delivery back foot lifts off ground. Not sure how ppl didn't see that. Watch, u can call the pitch by looking at his back foot as he release. FB back foot stays on ground during delivery. Breaking ball back foot lifts on delivery
It’s true that he tipped pitches, hitters knew it and he knew it. He worked on minimizing it, but not at the cost of degrading what he did to the ball. People could tell what he was throwing, but it didn’t matter. His motion looks like he had superior core and leg strength (ok, long arms and big hands don’t hurt), this had to have been a lot of help in the years he was throwing with terrific pain. He had a great physical gift, but I think his greatness was from his superb knowledge of technique coupled with supreme determination AND toughness. There are lots of gifted athletes who don’t even have journeyman careers.
@@williammorris584 That was very informative and I appreciate the knowledge. I have watched some documentaries about him and his FB that appeared to rise. I know his curve dropped like it died in mid air and was basically unhitable but I did not know they knew he tipped his pitches. Yeah I'm sure if I seen it pro's saw it too.
@@adamm8136it looks like the tip might be too late, if you're looking at his foot until after he releases the ball then I doubt you'd have enough time to gain anything from it
If the pitches are good enough, it doesn't matter if you know what's coming. Nolan Ryan used to tell great fastball hitters via his catcher, "Nothing but fastballs."
Only Dalkowski threw harder and both threw with only a modest pronated release. In other words, they used the neutral wrist, which is the fastest way to anatomically move the throwing arm across the body. You will also notice that the left arm of Koufax after releasing his fastball did not whip back up in recoil like many of these modern day throwers. Perhaps the most ridiculous example of this recoil effect was that of the late Yordano Ventura (may his recoiling arm RIP). BTW: the stiffer the front leg the greater the tendency to whip the arm in recoil. Hence, go with the bent front leg of Koufax, Nolan Ryan and the fastest fastballer of all-time Steve Dalkowski. Just a physics professor and former baseball thrower talking.
I think you missed a couple of classes. Pronation is a forearm action, not a wrist action. I think high speed film would show Mr Koufax significantly pronating his forearm on his fast balls. Pronating the forearm also secondarily flexes the elbow which allowed Sandy to use his triceps when he pitched. Very very few pitchers use their Triceps to extend their elbow. Mr Koufax and Mr Dalkowski were blessed with high % of FT muscle fibers. Landing on a flexed knee restricted Mr Koufax’s release velocity as his long stride caused him to stop his CoM from continuing forward through release.
@@stevesullivan457 Sounds like your head is a pinata with not much in it. That's no surprise. There are 6-actions to the wrist 2 of which turn the forearm, but still actions of the wrist. The neutral wrist, which you missed the importance of is the starting point of these actions of the wrist, but not an action in itself. The use of the neutral wrist versus the pronated wrist is why Dalkowski threw harder than Koufax - not because he had a greater than average percentage of fast-twitch fibers. What Dalkowski was blessed with (some say cursed) was a hypermobile wrist (this confirmed by his biographer) and possibly a hypermobile shoulder. You can read my report on Dalkowski as follows: www.letstalkpitching.com/t/new-britain-ct-home-of-the-worlds-fastest-fastball/22673
@@drbonesshow1 the wrist can flex, extend, ulnar flex and radial flex. That’s it. Mr Dalkowski dropped his elbow which caused a lot of high pitches. You should tell the folks at LTP what field of study your PhD degree is in. I assume it is not Kinesiology. They are lost enough as it is.
@@stevesullivan457 I can’t fix stupid, but I can subdue ignorance with knowledge. My PhD is in a field of physics called Chemical Physics (collisions of atoms, molecules and in my day lasers). I worked for two Nobel Laureates and though we mostly disagreed we could agree on one thing: you will never win one of those doing what everyone else is doing. In other words, I'm a maverick in an area I call the Physics of Sports. I connect the dots between physics and human biomechanics with new ideas and old ideas, which I see a new angle for application. I also know how to throw and swing at a high level still and at a higher level when I was a young man. In 1988, I won $500 throwing a baseball over 400 feet at the Orange Bowl in Miami. Nowadays, I have the world record for hitting a tennis ball for distance thanks to my wrist action - not my elbow. Maybe you can beat my record, but probably not. Nevertheless, you will never be heard in the herd outside of Moo. And watch where you step.
I tried an experiment myself and found that due to low frame rates that it really isn't possible twitter.com/ScoopDogg_/status/1488562458428153867?s=20&t=BsFQiW0g-D0H058Vm5sOFA
@@spcooper94with enough pitches you could estimate it, say for example you got 100 fastball videos, if 70 of them took 21 frames and 30 of them took 22 frames to get to the catcher's mitt then you can estimate that on average it'd take 21.7 frames. From there you'd have to replicate the same gathering of footage of modern day fastballs (with accurate measurements) and find some close fits
I bet it was his curve that killed his body. His heater was effortless, but he violently snapped off the curveball. Personal pet peeve: Don't stirrups complete a baseball uniform? Can't stand that, even when wearing "throwbacks", guys of today wear the pants down to the shoes. Ends up looking nothing like the uni of the era they're supposed to be honoring.
If it weren’t for a strike being called a ball and a two base error, Bob Hendley would have had a one hit shutout and they’d have had to go to extras. Hendley doesn’t get near enough credit.
I was at that game in Dodger Stadium sitting in the left field seats at $2.50. One hit between both teams and a real nail biter. Hendley threw a one hitter, struck out three and still lost on an unearned run.
He is acknowledged of pitching a great game. But Koufax was just better that day. Koufax lost a World Series game where he only gave up 1 run. Final was 1-0.
Sorry hank, you might be the greatest power hitter that ever lived but you're wrong. The ball didn't rise, that rate in which in dropped slowed, as stated, that's the science
@annajomertz5108 Science used to say the curveball didn't really curve. The impression that it did was the result of an optical illusion. There are one or two other instances of accepted science being in error. It happens.
Koufax was 6'2". Over the 6-year span from 1961-66, he averaged 19 complete games per season, and averaged averaged 25 games per season pitching with only 3 days rest. Let any pitcher of today do that and then we can talk.
Koufax never won a Cy Young so I can't say he's the GOAT. But in the Top 10 for sure. Koufax played during the dead ball era of heavier looser winded balls, higher mounds and huge playing fields. All pitcher advantages compared to today's shorter porches, tighter lighter balls, lower mounds and smaller strike zones. Koufax was great but not the greatest by a long shot.
He won 3 Cy Young's back at a time when there was only one handed out for the combined league. As for any other errors, I'll have to to a little more research. For one, the expanded strike zone did help pitchers, but the lowering of the mound not so much, judging from the combined-league ERAs since 1950. A factor you don't mention is the workload carried by the older pitchers and the subsequent emerging reliance on relief pitchers. Over a third of the games Koufax pitched were complete games; both Marichal and Gibson were around 50%. By comparison, the workload for today's pitcher is relatively light. Koufax may not have been "the greatest" (if there even is one), but he was one of the greatest. Only a very teeny tiny percentage of baseball people would think otherwise.
Nolan Ryan was overrated to me, as he just a .500 pitcher with great stuff Put nobody threw harder than Ryan & even when he retired he could still 100 once in a while But, he couldn't shine Sandy's shoes!
It's not alway about velocity. He had a good, moving, fastball. His gift was his curveball, which when added to his fastball, really messed up the hitters' timing.
He was my hero when I was 16. Was the great pitcher I have ever seen pitch. No one was better. Was so honored to be able to watch him. I was born at the right time. Thank you Sandy.
Even though I was born in 1994, Sandy's mechanics were just so beautiful like a work of art that he's been arguably my favorite athlete of all time (alongside Nolan Ryan) since I was reading about him as a kid. He is truly an all-time great and arguably the greatest pitcher ever
On top of it all, he is the nicest, kindest, good human being I know (other than my father).
@@HHIto no he’s not nice he’s a Zionist
Growing up in Brooklyn, and started going to Ebbets Field in 1951 ... I was a loyal Dodger fan ... till they left. When Koufax started playing .. I was in Heaven. I had gone to Lafayette HS ,. bot long after Koufax graduated. He was, and still is, a hero.
The Dodgers were a home town team. I really miss those great times.
Sorry when you lived in Brooklyn that mayor is an asshole for not letting Walter Omally build his dream stadium
For the five seasons from 1962 to 1966 combined, Koufax's ERA was an astounding 1.95
This was quite possibly the best game ever pitched by two pitchers. You can’t get better than Sandy Koufax that night, but Bob Hendley for the Chicago Cubs pitched extremely well too.. The only run scored was unearned.
Could watch that first pitch all day. Just the perfect motion.
Back in 1992, my buddies & I went to go see Jeff Torborg who was managing the Mets. He was speaking in NYC. Anyway, he caught Koufax's perfect game. He told us about each pitch in that game. He said in all his years, he has never seen a more devastating curveball than Koufax's. Mr. Torborg said that Koufax had very long fingers & that helped with his curve. It was 12-6 & dropped a foot. He also caught Nolan Ryan's 1st no hitter.
I grew up in Southern California back in the 60s and Sandy Koufax was THE best pitcher
in baseball then !
Sandy Koufax became my hero when he not only helped beat the Yankees in the '63 World Series, but also set the Series strikeout record at 15 until Gibson broke it .
Koufax used mainly fastballs in game 7 of the 1965 World Series. Pitching on 2 days rest he couldn't get his curve ball over for a strike. Using only his fastball he still pitched a shutout only allowing 3 hits, and that was against Tony Oliva, Harmon Killebrew, Zoilo Versalles and the rest of the Twins.
His ownage of Oliva was the reason the Dodgers won the series.
He'd strike you out...but he wouldn't embarrass you........Total class act. My favorite pitcher of all time....
Aaron was Koufax's toughest hitter he faces yet he still tells you how great he was.
Don Drysdale nicknamed Hank Aaron: "Bad Henry", and with good reason.
Koufax said he couldn't understand why Aaron didn't win the batting title ever year considering the greatest pitcher ever had trouble getting him out!
Look up Hank career strikeouts every year. I still laugh at what I see cuz it’s ridiculous for such a power hitter.
Love how the crowd in Minneapolis gasps on that last pitch. His fastball literally took their breath away!
You can see the fast ball rise in this footage. And Pete Rose, one of the best hitters ever describes his curve as falling off the table. You can also see that here.
Hank Aaron might the most humble man to play the game, he basically said idc what the science said he knew what he saw
As the late, great, Hank Aaron said: "I don't think they (scientist) ever played baseball." I think 'Bad Henry' has a point. From where the batter stands and looks at the ball coming in, it looks to be right where you're swinging the bat. But no, the ball is just above your bat and you swing and miss.
I mean I hate to say it but it's also blatantly wrong, Sandy's fastball was great of course but by no means did it literally rise, in all of the footage afterward there are no pitches that come close to rising.
If they literally rose then they'd be 2 feet over the batter's heads, the pitcher was 15 inches above the batter back then
It appears that way to the batter because they almost always swing under the fastball. That's because they swing harder trying to 'catch up' to it.
@@SirTylerGolf
@@felixmadison5736 right, I totally agree that some fastballs appear to rise, but that's just because they sink less, which admittedly is the same effect, but still at no point does the ball ever go up
I think that's what I said in my comment.@@SirTylerGolf
1:11 That is an insane curveball 😮
Wish I grew up during the 60’s so I could watch Koufax and Gibson pitch.
That seemed like a GREAT era for baseball if you can look past the segregation America was still dealing with
incredible era of baseball.. watched all of them pitch..met many before games with my buddies.. incredible hitters that they had to face
Some things take more time than others. It's a slow process, but it's gotten better, and will continue to do so. Take the NBA for example.@@spcooper94
I did; and it WAS incredible. Not just them, but Drysdale, Marichal, Jenkins ... all greats. Collectively they were the reason for the pitching changes instituted in the late 60's. Fast forward to today, and the game is basically home run derby.
Hard to believe this happened so long ago!...in 1967, my high school coach showed me an article in a coaches magazine. It showed Sandy Kofax, stop action photos,, with his shirt off, pitching. I'll never forget how extremely muscled-up his core was! He must have been doing 1000 sit-ups daily, as a warm up!...AWESOME! I believe the article stated he was very reluctant to do the pics, but he allowed them to be used for training, only. Over the years I've tryed to find the pics,but, I'm afraid they are gone forever. I had the same shock when I saw a young Tiger Woods with his shirt off. It's just amazing how much muscle a shirt or a jersey can cover up and hide!..Thank You!...Bill Barker.
Tom Seaver had a great rising fastball!
*How is there not more video footage of Koufax's perfect game? It's not like it happened before television was invented.*
same reason there’s no footage of Wilts 100 point game. cameras were out there but it wasn’t as common to record EVERYTHING like today
@@vincentrodriguez947 *I understand that, but once it's clear that something historic is happening, you would think that someone would've had the common sense and presence of mind to start recording.*
@@superbrownbrown people didn`t carry video recorders in their pockets back then Einstein
@@JackFlaps *No, you Dingleberry. That's not what I meant. I'm talking about radio and/or television network personnel that were in the stadium while the game was going on. You must have a bowl of stale oatmeal in your head.*
I don't know if it was actually televised. Don't forget, there were only like three TV channels back then. No regional sports networks or MLB Network. This was just another regular-season game, so perhaps some primetime TV show took priority.
And if it was televised, video tape was state-of-the-art and thus expensive back then. It was not necessarily taped. Plus, very often tapes got wiped and reused. It is shocking what broadcasters often deemed erasable back then. Ask the Doctor Who fans in the UK!
Two notes about the Perfect Game.
It was actually a scheduled one game stop for the Cubs.
Byron Browne made his MLB debut in this game. Only struck out once which was better than Ernie did that night.
The GOAT
the crazy thing is he had the same motion for each pitch. The batter would never know whats coming.
There’s nothing like the Talent from the 50-60’s pitching.
The tales of the great Sandy Koufax seem to take on the quality of a Greek Myth. And deservedly so!! An unbelievably gifted athlete, Koufax struggled mightily in his first several seasons. Then a tip from Dodger catcher Norm Sherry transformed him into the pitcher of the century. Simply dont throw as hard!! By not overthrowing Koufax combined power and control like no pitcher before or since. In the words of the great Hank Aaron, a fastball that would actually rise. Far more difficult to hit than a sinking fastball. According to accounts, Koufax's curve was so great as to be nearly unhittable. This despite having a quirk in his mechanics that actually tipped off that he would throw it. In my opinion, the greatest indication of his peerless skill was that he wasnt a "Mean Pitcher." His Dodger teammate Don Drysdale and Bob Gibson would throw a beanball at their own mother!! Had Koufax possessed a mean streak he would have been even more unstoppable. A sobering thought indeed!! The greatest five season stretch in the history of the game. As open and shut as a book of fables. Which is exactly where Sandy Koufax belongs. Away from the world of mere mortals.
He had very large hands which I think helped he also played basketball
Fun fact: Harmon Killebrew is the sillouette in the MLB logo.
The Cubs pitcher, Bob Hendley, threw a great game too, a one hitter and only allowed two baserunners. The game holds the record for fewest total baserunners in a game, with two, and the fewest total hits in a game, one. The only run that the Dodgers scored was unearned.
Sandy was untouchable for about six years.
Great video. I wanted to see if Koufax was a curve or maybe the slider that's thrown today that's shaped like a curveball.
Watching this video Koufax did roll the wrist, that makes it a curve.
Sandy didn't realize if he used a stiff wrist with that curve he would have generated the non traditional slider Cole, Snell, Glasnow now throw.
Sandy obviously didn't need it but he only averaged 9.3 K's per game. If Koufax, Gooden, Ryan knew the same slider Cole, Snell, Glasnow threw they ALL would have had much higher strikeout number.
I'm not here to blow my own horn, I want people to get educated what's happening in MLB. Since May 2018 dozens of pitchers are throwing a different kind of slider. Just look at the strikeout rates since 2018. 2018 was the 1st yr in MLB that there were more strikeouts than hits. That happened cause of a NEW DIFFERENT SLIDER. Cole and Snell are great examples, BOTH couldn't avg over a K an IP until 2018, they learned a new slider!
This message is very important because what I'm writing here is a piece of Major League history. There always was a traditional slider that some mastered but that slider had a off center grip with a bad tilt and it got a bad name cause of lots of injuries.
I learned a different type of slider from Joe Garagiola in 1978, I was in 7th grade, when I threw it for the 1st time I knew it was the same type of slider Ron Guidry and Steve Carlton threw. I was the best in my area of Pennsylvania cause of that slider and I was never going to tell any other pitcher how to throw it. Moving forward in May 2018 I got on twitter and messaged hundreds of ML pitchers how to throw the slider I call the "Football Slider" I call it that cause my football slider is thrown like a football with a stiff wrist, with a ON CENTER fastball grip.
For proof and research purposes please go to my twitter @rbeshens and look at some of the 8000 tweets.
MLB baseball reference Tom Tango a MLB SR data architect contacted me in Nov 2018 cause Brandon McCarthy asked me how to throw it May 29 2018 and threw my football slider June 2 2018 vs Nat's. Brandon messaged back to me June 3 2018 that he used it June 2 2018 vs Nats he said he struck out Rendon, Turner, Gonzales with my football slider. There was 34 k''s in that game, Jesse Biddle whiffed 8 in 3 IP with my football slider. Tom Tango said in the message to me Nov 26 2018 "Lets call it football slider for now"
Instead of giving me credit he stopped communications with me and now a few years later the "Sweeper" pitch is my football slider from May 2018 on twitter. The sweeper is my football slider thrown from a lower arm angle and if thrown over the top it gets the vertical drop Cole, Snell, Glasnow get.
Notice since 2018 many ML pitchers mentioned they are changing their slider grip? That's my football slider. When they say they grip it like their fastball or it's on center, that's my football slider.
Michael King a couple years ago slipped up and actually admitted the Yankees pitching coaches are teaching football, stiff wrist. That's my football slider.
I would love to do a podcast or video with you on the slider that's taken over MLB since May 2018.
At the very least do a podcast with me and don't publish it, I promise you one day you will be happy you did.
Best Regards,
Roger Beshens
Poor Harvey Kuenn struck out to end the game, the second time in his career he was the final out of a Koufax no-hitter.
Yeah, poor ol' Harv didn't have much going for him after he won the A.L. batting title with a .353 average at tender age of 23. Then it was mostly downhill, dying of heart disease and diabetes at the 'young' age of 57.
The catcher didn't have to move his glove a millimeter!
I read his book, he was a legend for me growing up, a left handed Jewish pitcher who threw gas and did things his way. Rip 🪦 🕊️ true legend 🫡
@@RisitasKEKW RIP? Sandy’s still alive and well
@@spcooper94 is he? Damn he must be a dinosaur. What a living legend ✊😅
Great legs and overall athleticism generate the leverage drive and momentum to throw that hard. His mechanics were pretty good for that era. Maybe not the high leg kick but the drive off the back leg and the over the top delivery. Compared to todays baseball like a 80 guys that can throw 100mph.
Pretty certain it was Willie Mays who said Koufax tipped his fastballs and curveballs, but it matter anyway, because they were both unhittable.
Great legend
His back foot stays down on FB but on curve delivery back foot lifts off ground. Not sure how ppl didn't see that. Watch, u can call the pitch by looking at his back foot as he release.
FB back foot stays on ground during delivery.
Breaking ball back foot lifts on delivery
It’s true that he tipped pitches, hitters knew it and he knew it. He worked on minimizing it, but not at the cost of degrading what he did to the ball. People could tell what he was throwing, but it didn’t matter.
His motion looks like he had superior core and leg strength (ok, long arms and big hands don’t hurt), this had to have been a lot of help in the years he was throwing with terrific pain.
He had a great physical gift, but I think his greatness was from his superb knowledge of technique coupled with supreme determination AND toughness. There are lots of gifted athletes who don’t even have journeyman careers.
@@williammorris584 That was very informative and I appreciate the knowledge. I have watched some documentaries about him and his FB that appeared to rise. I know his curve dropped like it died in mid air and was basically unhitable but I did not know they knew he tipped his pitches. Yeah I'm sure if I seen it pro's saw it too.
@@adamm8136it looks like the tip might be too late, if you're looking at his foot until after he releases the ball then I doubt you'd have enough time to gain anything from it
Sandy tipped his pitches. Everyone knew that. His hand position was different on his curve. It didn't matter. If anything, it made it harder.
If the pitches are good enough, it doesn't matter if you know what's coming. Nolan Ryan used to tell great fastball hitters via his catcher, "Nothing but fastballs."
Long, long arms...Walter Johnson & Sandy Koufax had the longest arms in baseball history!
*Probably the longest arms for guys their individual heights. I doubt Koufax's arms are longer than Randy Johnson's arms, who is 6'10".*
Did I miss something? What Documentary is this from?
Fastball!
What is this from?
Does anyone know what documentary that footage of the perfect game is from? Sounds like a 30 for 30.
he got extra torque by using momentum of arm dropping behind his waist and letting it swing back then power forward
How do you hit that curve?
You don't
You wait for it.
Play 3:22 in slo-mo.
Only Dalkowski threw harder and both threw with only a modest pronated release. In other words, they used the neutral wrist, which is the fastest way to anatomically move the throwing arm across the body. You will also notice that the left arm of Koufax after releasing his fastball did not whip back up in recoil like many of these modern day throwers. Perhaps the most ridiculous example of this recoil effect was that of the late Yordano Ventura (may his recoiling arm RIP). BTW: the stiffer the front leg the greater the tendency to whip the arm in recoil. Hence, go with the bent front leg of Koufax, Nolan Ryan and the fastest fastballer of all-time Steve Dalkowski. Just a physics professor and former baseball thrower talking.
I think you missed a couple of classes. Pronation is a forearm action, not a wrist action. I think high speed film would show Mr Koufax significantly pronating his forearm on his fast balls. Pronating the forearm also secondarily flexes the elbow which allowed Sandy to use his triceps when he pitched. Very very few pitchers use their Triceps to extend their elbow.
Mr Koufax and Mr Dalkowski were blessed with high % of FT muscle fibers.
Landing on a flexed knee restricted Mr Koufax’s release velocity as his long stride caused him to stop his CoM from continuing forward through release.
@@stevesullivan457 Sounds like your head is a pinata with not much in it. That's no surprise. There are 6-actions to the wrist 2 of which turn the forearm, but still actions of the wrist. The neutral wrist, which you missed the importance of is the starting point of these actions of the wrist, but not an action in itself. The use of the neutral wrist versus the pronated wrist is why Dalkowski threw harder than Koufax - not because he had a greater than average percentage of fast-twitch fibers. What Dalkowski was blessed with (some say cursed) was a hypermobile wrist (this confirmed by his biographer) and possibly a hypermobile shoulder. You can read my report on Dalkowski as follows: www.letstalkpitching.com/t/new-britain-ct-home-of-the-worlds-fastest-fastball/22673
@@drbonesshow1 the wrist can flex, extend, ulnar flex and radial flex. That’s it.
Mr Dalkowski dropped his elbow which caused a lot of high pitches.
You should tell the folks at LTP what field of study your PhD degree is in. I assume it is not Kinesiology. They are lost enough as it is.
@@stevesullivan457 I can’t fix stupid, but I can subdue ignorance with knowledge. My PhD is in a field of physics called Chemical Physics (collisions of atoms, molecules and in my day lasers). I worked for two Nobel Laureates and though we mostly disagreed we could agree on one thing: you will never win one of those doing what everyone else is doing. In other words, I'm a maverick in an area I call the Physics of Sports. I connect the dots between physics and human biomechanics with new ideas and old ideas, which I see a new angle for application. I also know how to throw and swing at a high level still and at a higher level when I was a young man. In 1988, I won $500 throwing a baseball over 400 feet at the Orange Bowl in Miami. Nowadays, I have the world record for hitting a tennis ball for distance thanks to my wrist action - not my elbow. Maybe you can beat my record, but probably not. Nevertheless, you will never be heard in the herd outside of Moo. And watch where you step.
@@drbonesshow1 LOL sure 400 feet, I can believe it since I used to toss them 450 feet at Yankee Stadium playing catch with Mickey Mantle.
To this day I have never seen anyone throw harder than the left hand of god.
I wonder if it is possible to calculate the velocity of his pitches based on just the footage of his delivery.
I tried an experiment myself and found that due to low frame rates that it really isn't possible twitter.com/ScoopDogg_/status/1488562458428153867?s=20&t=BsFQiW0g-D0H058Vm5sOFA
Update. If you can get footage in 60 FPS than you can see the balls be caught at different times
@@spcooper94with enough pitches you could estimate it, say for example you got 100 fastball videos, if 70 of them took 21 frames and 30 of them took 22 frames to get to the catcher's mitt then you can estimate that on average it'd take 21.7 frames.
From there you'd have to replicate the same gathering of footage of modern day fastballs (with accurate measurements) and find some close fits
2 pitchers nobody wanted to face. Nolan, and Sandy.
Because both had the ability at any given game to no hit a team.
retired at 30 yrs. old.
Who's Bill Bueller and where did he run to?
Dodger trainer. Back to the dugout or maybe the head.
The best MLB pitchers can make the baseball spin >2500 rpm. I don't see why science doesn't realize this makes the ball travel funny through the air.
A right fielder will actually get on top of their thrown ball screaming in to second..and the ball rises.
The Left Arm of GOD
You lost me at Costner. Going back to Vinny’s play-by-play!!!!
I bet it was his curve that killed his body. His heater was effortless, but he violently snapped off the curveball. Personal pet peeve: Don't stirrups complete a baseball uniform? Can't stand that, even when wearing "throwbacks", guys of today wear the pants down to the shoes. Ends up looking nothing like the uni of the era they're supposed to be honoring.
We'd never allow a kid to throw like that now. His arm is so far behind his body. That elbow had to be wrecked
That's why he retired at 30
Is there a more perfect baseball name than Harmon Killebrew?
Yes, Micky Mantle
@@rickgaylor2528 I would take either name or either career….
Harmon KilleJew
Johnny Bench
@wilsonking1617 Terrific name. If we branch out from baseball, I've always thought the perfect name for a quarterback was Johnny Unite Us.
If it weren’t for a strike being called a ball and a two base error, Bob Hendley would have had a one hit shutout and they’d have had to go to extras.
Hendley doesn’t get near enough credit.
I was at that game in Dodger Stadium sitting in the left field seats at $2.50. One hit between both teams and a real nail biter. Hendley threw a one hitter, struck out three and still lost on an unearned run.
He is acknowledged of pitching a great game. But Koufax was just better that day. Koufax lost a World Series game where he only gave up 1 run. Final was 1-0.
JOO POWER!! YES!!!
That’s so ugly it’s beautiful at the same time pure perfection what else can you say. Better yet say nothing at all enjoy it ✌️
Sorry hank, you might be the greatest power hitter that ever lived but you're wrong. The ball didn't rise, that rate in which in dropped slowed, as stated, that's the science
@annajomertz5108 Science used to say the curveball didn't really curve. The impression that it did was the result of an optical illusion. There are one or two other instances of accepted science being in error. It happens.
Who hit Koufax with a bat
Marichal
@@logalogalog Wrong. Marichal hit catcher Johnny Roseboro.
Uhmm actually we know way more about nutrition and science today than in the 1960s so i doubt Koufax compares against an average pitcher today 😊
Koufax was 6'2". Over the 6-year span from 1961-66, he averaged 19 complete games per season, and averaged averaged 25 games per season pitching with only 3 days rest. Let any pitcher of today do that and then we can talk.
On my birthday Sept. 9
Who put this video together? Horrible
Fast Pitch Softballers throw risers, it's not beyon the realm of possibility that hardballers could.
Koufax = Aurelian!
Koufax never won a Cy Young so I can't say he's the GOAT. But in the Top 10 for sure. Koufax played during the dead ball era of heavier looser winded balls, higher mounds and huge playing fields. All pitcher advantages compared to today's shorter porches, tighter lighter balls, lower mounds and smaller strike zones. Koufax was great but not the greatest by a long shot.
He won 3 Cy Young's back at a time when there was only one handed out for the combined league. As for any other errors, I'll have to to a little more research. For one, the expanded strike zone did help pitchers, but the lowering of the mound not so much, judging from the combined-league ERAs since 1950. A factor you don't mention is the workload carried by the older pitchers and the subsequent emerging reliance on relief pitchers. Over a third of the games Koufax pitched were complete games; both Marichal and Gibson were around 50%. By comparison, the workload for today's pitcher is relatively light. Koufax may not have been "the greatest" (if there even is one), but he was one of the greatest. Only a very teeny tiny percentage of baseball people would think otherwise.
Nolan Ryan was overrated to me, as he just a .500 pitcher with great stuff
Put nobody threw harder than Ryan & even when he retired he could still 100 once in a while
But, he couldn't shine Sandy's shoes!
Ryan’s hero was Koufax.
That half speed and 2x speed stuff needs to go
It's not that the fast ball would rise...it just didn't fall like most. Just a guess
That's the exact science so you are correct
@@spcooper94 meaning the hitters perception influenced the reality a ball that didn't drop as expected, actually rose.
Id take mr. Aaron's word over anything science has to say
@@RM-xk6iu Well, he was a much more experienced and expert observer than academics pronouncing on the subject.
Yeah, the ball wasn't where you first saw it.
Well, we know Fauchi never played baseball.
But he would lie about it.
Fauci was the one pitcher that Aaron couldn't handle.
He doesn’t look very fast
It's not alway about velocity. He had a good, moving, fastball. His gift was his curveball, which when added to his fastball, really messed up the hitters' timing.