I still hate the fact that the edit made it seem like rajah was mad at plastique. When really she was upset that the episode was a set up for plastique to have a win. All the girl wanted was respect from the judges. Glad she has one of the best storylines for a winner.
Something I've noticed too is people will hate on the "villain" during the season but once its over they LIVE for them, how they were "so real" on the show
that happens more recently, specifically s13 onwards w Kandy, Daya and Luxx, but like on S10 and S11 fans would geniuenly still DESPISE the queens after the season was finished
that's why when everyone on X and youtube was hating on PJ, I was just rolling my eyes and waiting for them to suddendly live for her 2 episodes later... which kind of happened the majority of people have some very serious mob mentality, drag race queens included (e.g Bob the drag queen), and it's like they NEVER learn from their own behaviour and keep doing the same BS every season... it's not that deep but it's still sad I think
I always cringe at how no one seems to have any self awareness and they just repeat the cycle of thinking every new villain is the just the worst person ever and then constantly realising it wasn’t that deep. After like the 3rd time you’d think SURELY people would catch on to the fact they’re overreacting
The way Rajah had the biggest turn around with the fanbase and her run on the show needs to be studied even further. I’m happy that she’s loved now and I loved watching her on S11 it was great tv especially in untucked💀.
Yeah same I still laugh at the “smell” clip from her she was a great “villain” even tho it was her not backing down from a person hiding behind “because it’s the truth” ok but they acted as if telling silky she was obnoxious would stop her 😂
I might be one of the few that never saw Rajah as the villain of S11; I always saw Silkie as the villain as her run and edit helped to push Yvie to the top. That's why I was so surprised after AS6 for people saying Rajah redeemed herself, as it never made sense to me. I think if Rajah had won a challenge or 2 on S11 and stayed longer, I would have seen her more as the villain.
@@Billy21200 have you never seen someone wear contacts before?😭 they can slide around and get messed up over time, especially those cosmetic ones. her actual eyes obviously were not like that. why get defensive when you can just use reasoning?
I don’t understand why people feel any specific way about these queens at all. Unless they’re doing something legitimately atrocious, deciding a stranger is a bad person because you heard them say four sentences that aren’t nice out of context is super weird.
people dont realize how fake reality TV is first of all, and they also overestimate their own ability to tell what kind of person someone is with limited information
I feel like they started to show villains in a more compassionate light, was because season 12 was so well-received, but didn’t actually have a real “villain” for most of the episodes. It proved that it doesn’t have to have a real villain on the show to keep it entertaining
Brita was one of the most hated villains tho? I think they try to show them in a more humane way as Brita was nearly pushed to a certain something because of the hate
I'm glad Kandy has never sacrificed who she is for the sake of people liking her. She seems to be having a great time on House of Villains rn and it's nice to see she owns who she is and what her brand as a TV personality is, polarizing as it may be.
It’s not mind boggling if we can separate the quotes from the person. It’s just speech and specific thought in the context, verses the person as a whole.
@@yoyodre I think that is true, especially the creative part, but I think the rigidity of men’s wear puts more scrutiny on generic details. The joys of designing for men :)
Rajah O'Hara was the last queen, at least on the regular US seasons, to have a two-dimension villain edit. After that not only the queens have become too cautious about how they come across on the show and the consequences that may come with it, but you can see that after season 11, there was a shift in editing where there was this caution of not turning any queen into a 2-D villain and to give some layering to the queens that come across as shadier in order not to make them too unlikeable. For example, Daya Betty started out season 14 with an apparent villain edit but as the season went on, the editing showed that there were more layers to how she was that ended up brushing away all the initial perceptions of her. Even with Plane Jane, arguably the post-season13 queen that ruffled the most feathers among the viewers during her run in the show, there was this concern.
I think that Ra'jah is the last villain edit and Daya is the last true villain of the show (Not in a bad way btw). Daya truly is the last bastion of reality TV show villains of old, since unlike someone like a Plane Jane, who I do think was kind of going for the "Redeemed villain" arc, you can tell Daya is legit just there to screw with the rest of the cast knowing that she has no shot of winning because of them booting her episode one, so she may as well have fun and get production to want her to make it far. That's what made me fall in love with her tbh (Though really the whole S14 cast is stacked beyond belief and is just hampered by the sheer length of the season).
Silky has given me strange vibes at times her flip flopping from being so mean and rude to Evie and then saying she loved Evie at end makes me think Silky was just doing what production egged her on to do
I will say, I was one of those people who didn't like her on S11. However, I also don't go on the internet dragging people from a TV show. I will never understand the behavior of some fans. Sending hate to people over a reality competition show is wild. That being said, I LOVED Rajah on All-Stars. Her redemption arc was everything.
What dictates whether a queen receives hate or not is if they shade a fan favorite. Plane, Gia, Mistress, Raja(s3) , Yvie etc never went head to head with queens who were beloved by the fans where’s Trya, Rajah (s11), Phi’Phi, Brita, and Kween all got into it with fan favs so instead of “making great TV” they were “bullies” and got harassed
Rajah was excelent TV entertainment😂😂😂😂 Im really sad how the "fans" are so nasty, I wish we could have great tv without some idiot "fan" emetiatly destroying it by harazing every one to oblivion
Yeah. And then watching the “fans” begging their faves to return to or try out for the show not caring about their mental health…. Just wanting more dancing bears to cattle prod. Makes me sick.
i met rajah a couple years ago and she was the nicest person i think ive ever met. i met her when she was coming off stage and she was so amazing, i didnt have vip to meet her but she still took time out to talk to me AFTER performing her ass off when she could have said to me "no sorry you dont have meet and greet" but she didnt! she then waved to me and blew a kiss to me on stage. all this being said i have met quite a few queens and did not have an experience like this such as kandy (who gave me the nastiest look) but that aside i think it speaks to rajah's character the fact she was so sweet and kind. blame it on the edit girlies
Rajah is one of, if not my favorite queen of all time. And I’ll be honest a large part of it is the ‘villain’ edit she got in S11. I felt like she was relatable. In a room full of queens who were cheered on the judges no matter how poorly or mediocre they were in moments, she was trying her absolute best and then having her peers poke at her for reactions. It felt more like a prototype for the Jan edit than a villain edit for me.
I know this comment isnt as on topic as it should be for a video about Rajah… but every now and then I play your intro ft Derrick Berry back a few times and cackle uncontrollably each time harder than the last.. honestly iconic. I stan. 😂
12:13 I disagree here. Mistress, yes, but Plane, no. Plane was REALLY rude (borderline bullying) to Amanda, and you could TELL she meant “doo doo clown mess” in ALL seriousness.
You cant bully someone who defends themselves 😂😂😂😂 Plane was picking at someone who was willing to fight back. Thats what made their time on TV pure gold. Plane didnt pick on someone who wasnt willing to fight back. That word “bully” has lost its meaning
@@JoseSena-gs4tzit's still bullying even if she defends herself. ESPECIALLY if she defends herself. Plane Jane made me so uncomfortable. Her reads weren't reads. She acted like a drag queen planted by the straights.
I honestly prefer the Plane Jane style of Villany. I hate feeling like production is manipulating my emotions by making someone like Kween Kong into an "authentic" villain that we're supposed to downright hate. It's disgusting - because if it it works on me when I'm aware of the dick in the soup, I can only imagine how many less tuned-in vieweres hate her even MORE.
Literally Yvie was such an instigator under the guise of “being real”. And guess who’s still whining on twitter all the time…I’ll give you a hint, it’s not rajah
I was one of those fans who didn’t like Raja during her first season. But, one time she lip sync’d-and when the lip sync was finished, I saw how much it meant to her in her eyes. Like it really communicated how much she wanted to be there. And that’s when it all hit me-WTF was wrong with me for rooting against a person?? She has hopes and dreams like we all do. That completely changed how I viewed all Ru girls.
rajah was truly one of my favourites on her season, i never ever understood the hate and just double standards that fans had… to this day a rajah original season defender LOLLL
I always loved Rajah from season 11 till now that’s my girl . Loved her down . People were just being nasty to her for no reason . If she were ⚪️ they would have been living for her on season 11 .
Speaking of the Sherry Pie thing, I know some countries got the original edit with Sherry included, and Gigi Goode was her counter/the villain since Sherry was meant to win. I really wanted to know how that was supposed to look. Also the Season 11 girls basically throwing AS6 is wild because, at one point, they had the numbers to coast to the end.
Honestly it kindof funny because for season 15 -16 I figured the "villians" ended up being Q and Loosey Leduca, tying them into the delusional edit, which is fueled by queens like Mistress and Plane. it made awesome TV honestly
There are a couple of reasons for this shift. Firstly, a true villain has to always be dehumanised, in the sense that we don’t see their true emotions or get a decent backstory. Production has been (rightfully) less willing to do this recently. Secondly, because of social media, queens have more personal contact with their fans, meaning that even if production decides to dehumanise them on screen, they still control to some extent how they’re received by the fans.
I know some of Rajah's lines on S11 were out of order, but she was actually one of my favourites from the start because it seemed like most of her demeanour came from being under tons of pressure, as well as noticing the buffoonery in the production. I found her charismatic and hilarious, despite her jabs, so her redemption was even more satisfying, because I knew that a lot of people didn't share the same opinion about her. It was amazing to see her receive the flowers she deserves. (Unpopular opinion, I absolutely loooove her burlap pants look).
It depends on how they’re edited. Bad edits ruin great villain characters by overdoing it. I love Chanel O’Connor’s villain edit so far bc the edit isn’t heavy-handed
re: Rajas burlap pants... yes, she made pants out of burlap. Nice pants even. But they were ALSO falling apart as she walked down the runway (I distinctly recall seeing the seams separating leaving holes in the side seams) So... yeah, she deserved the critiques. Part of making a good garment is knowing which fabrics are going to work and which aren't- and if you're going to use an unconventional fabric in a project it isn't suited for you have to PULL IT OFF, or you're going to get read for filth for doing something silly. I love me some Raja, but she didn't pull it off in this instance.
I absolutely love, Rajah. I'ld watch her read a phone book. I wake up every Saturday morning to watch her and Icesis. I've never seen an episode of binge queen but quickly changed when I found out she was featured. I want her back on my screen, asap. I think she now should get the grace of being a little shady, now that we know she is such a beautiful soul if she returns to do All Winners!
I just dont understand the need for people to attack queens on their social media bc they did or said something mean on a tv show 💀 like can we just chill and maybe save all that hate for queens who are actually problematic like Sherry pie
The hate train was fast on Rajah, but it went off the rails for Silky. I’ve never seen a queen receive so much hate (and totally undeserved might I add).
it probably all boiled down to the plastique and arguably scarlet the episode before confrontation, when she dukes it out with yvie i dont think it comes across as anything serious bc they both can stand their ground and can dish/serve. but scarlet and plastique both being very much on the receiving end and just taking all of her backlash rather than actually wanting a fight probably just made her look worse
@@nicolascarmona3081 this is a crazy thing to say when we owe drag and ballroom culture to black and latino queer people… its a fact that white queens are favored…?
@@nicolascarmona3081 just look at sharon needles protected career. His race was a huge part of what protected him. i think green gay should have at least mentioned that more.
Ra'Jah came back with the forced laugh to make her more approachable. Kandy tried that too, but it didn't last long. lol Watch their original seasons and later seasons and you'll know what I mean.
Phi Phi to this day carries that baggage and continues to be extremely defensive about her run..I asked her an innocent question recently on X, and she ripped me a new one, and blocked me within minutes.. You can tell her run will follow her for decades to come, and probably regrets going on the show in the first place..
@@maximeminassian6002 I asked if she planned to return to drag after seeing a recent post in drag… she responded its none of my business, and blocked me.. I asked because for years, she talked about never returning, only wanted to be known as Jerami.. I was curious as I thought her 365 days of drag was genius, and frankly, I was excited about her returning..was it wrong to ask?.. I have no problem if he changed his mind, but why defensiveness?
@edreid7872 he probably is spammed that question daily on social media. It wouldn't suprise me if bots started to do the same thing. He probably would rather block people who ask then answer the question every so often for the rest of his life That would be my guess.
@@JJ-xe6wd I think its best to avoid answering as my opinion of him has changed.. I was a major supporter.. Not so much anymore..I know he gets a lot of hate, but why assume I was coming from a negative pov?.. He was attacking and defensive..why continue to reinforce the label of villain?..
Get over yourself tho. If you were supposed to be such a huge supporter, you would know he would never return to the show so for you to intentionally ask that you antagonizing him even I know that I’m not a huge supporter I let him be.
Rajah was too much tbh and it was a character how did she change that much in as6 and became that lovely funny and charismatic queen that we love so quickly??
I think that something that warm up the audience for Mistress and Plane is their stellar performances. Rajah wasn't slaying her s11 run, so her remarks were taken from the perspective of insecurity and bitterness. On the other hand Mistress and Jane did great so their words were welcomed with like «yeah no sh- she knows what she's talking about, she has the right» point of view
I feel like it’s kinda good in some ways not to have a pure villain anymore much as I miss it. Reality TV of the 2000s relied on that trope but also much of it (like Next Top Model or maybe even more like Survivor) didn’t really anticipate contestants having much of a public presence after the show or really cared about what happened to them at all (NTM was never actually interested in producing successful models) whereas Rupaul’s Drag Race I think does have more care for how the contestants do afterward, in part because they stay with the brand forever unless they get on bad graces and also because the success of the show does kinda hinge on the continued success of even the most filler queens, even if not all the gigs they do are affiliated. So because the villain story works to create an ignominious figure out of the contestant it doesn’t work as well when said contestant is a hugely visible figure within the industry the show is portraying. For better or worse Drag Race is the engine that runs Drag more broadly unlike something like Top Model which is a funhouse mirror of a more serious industry but had little influence
Honestly I feel like people live for villains now. I would love Jaremi to do Phi Phi again and go back on Drag Race. I think people would live for her!!! I wasn't into Rajah season 11 but Silky I really loved season 11! She was messy but she was a diva and I LIVED for her and still do!
I mean the difference is clear; it depends on what the "villain" actually says. Plane Jane only really got nasty with Amanda but Amanda always snapped back with an even better retort so Plane came clean out of it. Everything else she said was just trolling. Contrast this with Rajah's confessionals on Yvie that just felt so personal, PhiPhi's Jiggly drama that just looked so stupid (cause Jiggly was not a threat so what was that even about?) or even Luxx choosing that exact wording for Lucy in S15. I just think some queens made really poor choices with the materials they provided to the producers cause in no context is calling someone ugly and smelly OK so I cannot really give you the benefit of the doubt. There is a difference between shade and reading. That said for me, Ra'jah handled the situation very well in her S11 Reunion and I know some queens were calling her out during that reunion but for me her apology did feel genuine though very poorly phrased. And it helped that anyone who was even distantly unbiased knew that her elimination was bullshit when the bottom two at that episode felt completely random (with imo Silky having the worst look and Nina being barely less bad while Rajah was safe or even high and A'keria was low at worst) Also I think for a villain to really work in Drag Race, they need to be successful at the show itself.
To me the real difference between a "Villain" and a queen that comes across as just mean spirited is the fact that in the former case there's someone that plays the "Hero" and that actively clashes with them; Jaremi had "her" in S4 and Alyssa during AS2, Ra'Jah had Yvie which was always letting her have it and, on a lesser extent, Plastique and Scarlet shading her back, Plane Jane had Amanda always clapping back, they were creating drama bc everyone was involved in the drama, they always said to each other faces what they thought. Kandy had a full blown fight with Tamisha that wasn't going to let her behave like that. Brita too, in a way, had people confronting her behaviour, like Heidi lashing out and Aiden herself snapping back at one point. Roxxxy was absolutely a mean girl and a bully against Jinkx in S5, but even if Jinkx dind't clap back to her most of the time (I believe Alaska said she did, but the edit didn't show it as much), she defended herself in front of other ppl with things like the water off a duck's back line. The Kween and Kitty thing is that we never see Nehellenia defending herself or dishing it back or coming for them, what we're seeing is two queens downplaying her, shading her, saying mean things in confessional but almost never to her face, and then we see Nehellenia being sweet with them, congratulating their performances and acting like a friend - like in the makeover episode where we hear Nehellenia saying to Kitty that the judges didn't hate her look and called her beautiful and she shouldn't feel like a failure, and immediately Kween goes on the offensive and the confessional shows us Kitty backing her up. That's not "drama" and it's not enjoyable, it just reads as them acting like bullies to a person that's doing nothing wrong to even explain, let alone justifying, why they're behaving like that. They're creating a "Villain" narrative but without a real "Hero" to back it up and make it enjoyable. Nehellenia is just a victim - either bc she didn't actually respond to them or bc they're editing her to look like one. With that being said, ofc Kween and Kitty do not deserve the absolutely horrifying comments they're receiving and a lot of fans should really log off and go self reflect on their miserable life, but at the same time I can see why the general reaction to their behaviour on this season was so harsh and just a minority of the fans are on their side, expecially if you add the clear favouritism they're given by the production, which was never a thing for villains until Kandy Muse.
I never hated rajah on s11. I tend not to hate any queens because 1. I think its ridiculous to put that negative energy from you onto someone. And 2. Its a pressure cooker in a competition when youre competiting for something you put all your hard work in. But on s11 i just saw a queen who spoke her mind and saw a person who didnt want to show emotions (that vulnerability) but on as6, oh my god i was mesmerized! It was a complete turn around and just a glow up of the actual person she is and she was beaming. And it all made sense in the finale when she said she came in s11 a premature diamond...she was rock but with enough pressure and time she turned into diamond and we saw who she really was. So i live for rajah and tend to give rugirls grace when seeing them on tv cause as tati famously said "what you see isnt always the truth"
I had a little trouble watching some of her interactions with Scarlet Envy on season 11. However, by no means did she deserve any hate, I think she was just young and had some growing to do. Like we all do! It must be hard being in the public eye and being nearly nailed to a cross for every single one of your flaws, so I def wish she never suffered any of that bullying from the “fans.” NO one is perfect, and this queen obviously blossomed and learned from her younger self.
I think the edit of the queens has changed just as much as the queens themselves. Here's the thing, there are plenty of queens that could be considered "villains" in the modern season, but they just get a more fleshed out storylines. You mentioned Plane and Mistress, which I agree with because they could've been edited to look a lot nastier in the final cut. I think another big example is Trinity K Bonet on AS6. They easily could've edited her to look like a petulant, ungrateful, annoying person, but instead they gave her a more well-rounded portrayal of her genuine human emotions. Even with season 12, there was that rumor that Gigi was the villain and originally had that storyline, which you can still see remnants of in the final season. I think production and the editors are also now wary of how a full-blown villain edit can destroy the careers of these queens and are trying to avoid it. My theory is that with Global All Stars, they're making Kween and Kitty look like the villains so it'll give them an excuse to crown Alyssa or Nehellenia. This theory is sorta backed up by the fact that the editing team is not the traditional US one, so they may not be as careful or knowledgeable about the power/consequences that come with an outright villain edit. I don't know, that whole season is weird so I could be completely off.
i lived for her on season 11 and was so happy when she won her lipsync against Scarlet because I wanted her to stay. My ex was an absolute hater and couldnt stand her, no wonder why hes an ex
As someone who hasn't had cable since the early 2010s, I often watched seasons months later, and I was always surprised by the fandom reaction to some of the queens. The only queen I ever recall having a non-positive reaction to was Silky Nutmeg Ganache (most on season 11.) I just didn't really connect with her drag or her personality as portrayed on the show, and Silky doesn't know my opinion because I kept it to myself.
People don't realize that a good deal of the most memorable seasons had a really good villain to make you want to keep watching. Feels like people bully messy queens not out of a need to do the right thing but just to knock someone down a peg to feel morally superior. Bullying is still bullying even if you claim to be doing it for the "right" reasons.
I just always try to remember that sometimes it’s the edit and choice of the producers or that they’re deliberately being a bitch for good TV, because people sometimes take this shit way too seriously (i.e. the toxic fandom) and at the end of the day it’s LITERALLY a REALITY TV show that basically feeds on drama.
Once somebody wrote "Do you really hate them, or do you hate production" and it blew my mind. I hate production, all day every day. With that said, the impenetrably wholesome drama-free Down Under 2024 season has restored my faith in the franchise. Unstoppable legends. QUEENS, CLOSE RANKS
@Rajj-gc8lo As a longtime fan I respectfully disagree. Please don't lump us all into one group. For the record, I don't care for bullies and I save my hate for politics not members of my own community that I have never met. Cheers.
I literally love almost all the villains 😂😂😂 Rebecca Glasscock walked so these hoes can sprint in their lace fronts 😂😂😂 i love the villains that didn’t get treated like villains too like Jade Jolie or Shangela S3 😂😂😂
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“It’s like, bitch, do you bathe?”Will always be the best read ever
Given that one could literally smell Yvie through the screen it’s so true nowadays.
@@kev7600yvie smelted like sweat when I met them a few months ago so that read is still accurate 😂
@@Jacob42086 I knew it 🤢
I believe this is the reason production treated her the way they did in AS7.
@@kev7600 your belief would be wrong lol production caring that much about smell that they would edit her anyway is ridiculous theory
@@beebeedeeie yes because they don’t want anymore association with Oddly
I still hate the fact that the edit made it seem like rajah was mad at plastique. When really she was upset that the episode was a set up for plastique to have a win. All the girl wanted was respect from the judges. Glad she has one of the best storylines for a winner.
And then Plastique made an outfit using dental floss 🫡
Something I've noticed too is people will hate on the "villain" during the season but once its over they LIVE for them, how they were "so real" on the show
I know right it’s annoying
That's a very recent phenomenon, though
that happens more recently, specifically s13 onwards w Kandy, Daya and Luxx, but like on S10 and S11 fans would geniuenly still DESPISE the queens after the season was finished
that's why when everyone on X and youtube was hating on PJ, I was just rolling my eyes and waiting for them to suddendly live for her 2 episodes later... which kind of happened
the majority of people have some very serious mob mentality, drag race queens included (e.g Bob the drag queen), and it's like they NEVER learn from their own behaviour and keep doing the same BS every season... it's not that deep but it's still sad I think
I always cringe at how no one seems to have any self awareness and they just repeat the cycle of thinking every new villain is the just the worst person ever and then constantly realising it wasn’t that deep. After like the 3rd time you’d think SURELY people would catch on to the fact they’re overreacting
The way Rajah had the biggest turn around with the fanbase and her run on the show needs to be studied even further. I’m happy that she’s loved now and I loved watching her on S11 it was great tv especially in untucked💀.
Before her, it was Jasmine Masters. But Ra'jah definitely surpassed that redemption.
JackFed also has a very good study / video on Rajah
Drag Race Fandom, Try Not To Be Horrible Towards Queens Challenge: Impossible
I was one of the few people who lived for Rajah’s messiness on her original season. But then the “fans” bullied her to be a nicer person 🙄
One day people will realize it’s not that serious.
and she was rarely wrong! they just couldn't take.
This is so real because same. My girl just spoke how SHE felt. 👏🏽
Yeah same I still laugh at the “smell” clip from her she was a great “villain” even tho it was her not backing down from a person hiding behind “because it’s the truth” ok but they acted as if telling silky she was obnoxious would stop her 😂
Yeah. Proud of her for getting a crown but CVTW was boring BOOTS
I loved Rajah from the start. She was born a STAR. and all of her grievances on s11 were VALID. nobody can make me h8 her.
Agreed 💯!!! Especially when she called out production!
Same! I was never on twitter or reddit so I didn't even know she was hated like that, I was rooting for her lol. And Boy Rajah is so fucking cute
Me too.
Nobody can make me hate Rajah
I still think her insinuating Yvie Oddly smelled & didn't bathe.. wasn't nice.
=/
I might be one of the few that never saw Rajah as the villain of S11; I always saw Silkie as the villain as her run and edit helped to push Yvie to the top. That's why I was so surprised after AS6 for people saying Rajah redeemed herself, as it never made sense to me. I think if Rajah had won a challenge or 2 on S11 and stayed longer, I would have seen her more as the villain.
Thats interesting because I had assumed that too, but I actually think Yvie was the villain of that season.
early but not as early as gia gunn opening the doors bc she slammed it in my face
She really said room for everyone but you 😂
she IS the boom boom door
@@deaderontheinside6871were you bringing any glamour into the comment section?
@donniesumling8549 Well, i didn't quite comment like a man
And its because she said what you wanted to do isnt what you was gonna do
Using that picture of Jaremi Carey with the contacts was shady
Please tell me it’s edited wtf is goin on with her eyes 😭😭😭
@@Billy21200 did you not read the word "contacts"?
@@bernardsoul5186 I meant how they look like they’re going in different directions? Obviously I read the word contacts tf
@@Billy21200 have you never seen someone wear contacts before?😭 they can slide around and get messed up over time, especially those cosmetic ones. her actual eyes obviously were not like that.
why get defensive when you can just use reasoning?
@@eliotgierat9462 it was a silly goofy question it genuinely isn’t that deep. You can keep it on mute.
I don’t understand why people feel any specific way about these queens at all. Unless they’re doing something legitimately atrocious, deciding a stranger is a bad person because you heard them say four sentences that aren’t nice out of context is super weird.
kumbaaayaaaa 🎶
You're right but it's unfortunately how reality tv works, it's not gonna change any time soon
The show writers literally decides who are the villains and crafts their storyline accordingly. People react.
people dont realize how fake reality TV is first of all, and they also overestimate their own ability to tell what kind of person someone is with limited information
Rajahs read to scarlet still make me laugh. "Ooh yes girl. This about to be your last dance. We will see you at the reunion hoe"
every tongue that rose against Rajah shall fall
or fingers that typed
Detox coming at you with an old hex...
The true Villans of Drag Race are Production
I feel like they started to show villains in a more compassionate light, was because season 12 was so well-received, but didn’t actually have a real “villain” for most of the episodes. It proved that it doesn’t have to have a real villain on the show to keep it entertaining
Say this louder for the fandom in the back because a WHOLE lot of these people are not happy unless the queens are clawing each other’s eyes out
Brita was one of the most hated villains tho? I think they try to show them in a more humane way as Brita was nearly pushed to a certain something because of the hate
Brita……brita was the villain she just left a little early 😂😂😂
I know someone who would quote Kandy all the time but swear he disliked her. It’s mind boggling
Say what you want about Kandy. But at least when you cast her on something, you KNOW she’s gonna bring us drama
I'm glad Kandy has never sacrificed who she is for the sake of people liking her. She seems to be having a great time on House of Villains rn and it's nice to see she owns who she is and what her brand as a TV personality is, polarizing as it may be.
It’s not mind boggling if we can separate the quotes from the person. It’s just speech and specific thought in the context, verses the person as a whole.
Have u watched the current House of Villains? She's already bringing the drama and it's awesome
Could be that your friend enjoys disliking a villain. It's a legitimate way to "enjoy" a villain, entertainment
i am adoring this villain persona Chanel O’connor has taken on UK6. Pure cvntiness i live
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shes owning it and I live
Same. Her saying "That's fine" when someone brings up drama to her sends me 😂
@@beko____ RIGHT 😂 I’ve met Marmalade twice IRL, and i still laughed at Chanel blanking Marm. I missed this catty drama on RPDR!
As someone learning to sew, pants truly are the most judgmental garment ever designed…kudos for any queen tackling that challenge.
Not that pants are are just for men, but I think people think of menswear garments as less creative and less skilled than womenswear.
@@yoyodre I think that is true, especially the creative part, but I think the rigidity of men’s wear puts more scrutiny on generic details. The joys of designing for men :)
@@dmcginnis1000 I'm a thique boy, so I would love some less rigid pants😆
Rajah O'Hara was the last queen, at least on the regular US seasons, to have a two-dimension villain edit. After that not only the queens have become too cautious about how they come across on the show and the consequences that may come with it, but you can see that after season 11, there was a shift in editing where there was this caution of not turning any queen into a 2-D villain and to give some layering to the queens that come across as shadier in order not to make them too unlikeable. For example, Daya Betty started out season 14 with an apparent villain edit but as the season went on, the editing showed that there were more layers to how she was that ended up brushing away all the initial perceptions of her. Even with Plane Jane, arguably the post-season13 queen that ruffled the most feathers among the viewers during her run in the show, there was this concern.
I think that Ra'jah is the last villain edit and Daya is the last true villain of the show (Not in a bad way btw).
Daya truly is the last bastion of reality TV show villains of old, since unlike someone like a Plane Jane, who I do think was kind of going for the "Redeemed villain" arc, you can tell Daya is legit just there to screw with the rest of the cast knowing that she has no shot of winning because of them booting her episode one, so she may as well have fun and get production to want her to make it far.
That's what made me fall in love with her tbh (Though really the whole S14 cast is stacked beyond belief and is just hampered by the sheer length of the season).
I genuinely thought they gave silky nutmeg ganache the villain edit, rajah to me had good points…lol 😅
Silky has given me strange vibes at times her flip flopping from being so mean and rude to Evie and then saying she loved Evie at end makes me think Silky was just doing what production egged her on to do
I will say, I was one of those people who didn't like her on S11. However, I also don't go on the internet dragging people from a TV show. I will never understand the behavior of some fans. Sending hate to people over a reality competition show is wild. That being said, I LOVED Rajah on All-Stars. Her redemption arc was everything.
I stan both Ra’Jah and Plane
What dictates whether a queen receives hate or not is if they shade a fan favorite. Plane, Gia, Mistress, Raja(s3) , Yvie etc never went head to head with queens who were beloved by the fans where’s Trya, Rajah (s11), Phi’Phi, Brita, and Kween all got into it with fan favs so instead of “making great TV” they were “bullies” and got harassed
I'm disturbed by the fact that it's almost been 6 years since s11 😅
People say The Vixen got a bad edit. But I don't think she has a very good personality which is why editors decided to magnify that.
Rajah was excelent TV entertainment😂😂😂😂
Im really sad how the "fans" are so nasty, I wish we could have great tv without some idiot "fan" emetiatly destroying it by harazing every one to oblivion
Yeah. And then watching the “fans” begging their faves to return to or try out for the show not caring about their mental health…. Just wanting more dancing bears to cattle prod. Makes me sick.
i met rajah a couple years ago and she was the nicest person i think ive ever met. i met her when she was coming off stage and she was so amazing, i didnt have vip to meet her but she still took time out to talk to me AFTER performing her ass off when she could have said to me "no sorry you dont have meet and greet" but she didnt! she then waved to me and blew a kiss to me on stage. all this being said i have met quite a few queens and did not have an experience like this such as kandy (who gave me the nastiest look) but that aside i think it speaks to rajah's character the fact she was so sweet and kind. blame it on the edit girlies
Rajah is one of, if not my favorite queen of all time. And I’ll be honest a large part of it is the ‘villain’ edit she got in S11. I felt like she was relatable. In a room full of queens who were cheered on the judges no matter how poorly or mediocre they were in moments, she was trying her absolute best and then having her peers poke at her for reactions. It felt more like a prototype for the Jan edit than a villain edit for me.
I know this comment isnt as on topic as it should be for a video about Rajah… but every now and then I play your intro ft Derrick Berry back a few times and cackle uncontrollably each time harder than the last.. honestly iconic. I stan. 😂
12:13 I disagree here. Mistress, yes, but Plane, no. Plane was REALLY rude (borderline bullying) to Amanda, and you could TELL she meant “doo doo clown mess” in ALL seriousness.
You cant bully someone who defends themselves 😂😂😂😂 Plane was picking at someone who was willing to fight back. Thats what made their time on TV pure gold. Plane didnt pick on someone who wasnt willing to fight back. That word “bully” has lost its meaning
@@JoseSena-gs4tzit's still bullying even if she defends herself. ESPECIALLY if she defends herself. Plane Jane made me so uncomfortable. Her reads weren't reads. She acted like a drag queen planted by the straights.
No Plane Jane was a bully.
@@JoseSena-gs4tzlol wow never work or have kids please. It's not bullying if someone tries to defend themselves omg you can't be serious
@@NerdPlanetThird OMG yall slow 🤦💀💀💀 You cant be serious either.
I honestly prefer the Plane Jane style of Villany. I hate feeling like production is manipulating my emotions by making someone like Kween Kong into an "authentic" villain that we're supposed to downright hate. It's disgusting - because if it it works on me when I'm aware of the dick in the soup, I can only imagine how many less tuned-in vieweres hate her even MORE.
also we need to talk how yvie was the one stirring the pot most of the time but rajah got somehow blamed every single time!
Literally Yvie was such an instigator under the guise of “being real”. And guess who’s still whining on twitter all the time…I’ll give you a hint, it’s not rajah
The fans always pick and choose who to hate and just accused queens like they know them personally
I was one of those fans who didn’t like Raja during her first season. But, one time she lip sync’d-and when the lip sync was finished, I saw how much it meant to her in her eyes. Like it really communicated how much she wanted to be there. And that’s when it all hit me-WTF was wrong with me for rooting against a person?? She has hopes and dreams like we all do.
That completely changed how I viewed all Ru girls.
I never understood the hate she got! She was so iconic. My husband and I say “I’m not gagging” and “oh my gaaaad 🎶” on a weekly basis 😂
rajah was truly one of my favourites on her season, i never ever understood the hate and just double standards that fans had… to this day a rajah original season defender LOLLL
I always loved Rajah from season 11 till now that’s my girl . Loved her down . People were just being nasty to her for no reason . If she were ⚪️ they would have been living for her on season 11 .
Ra'Jah was my AS6 winner. Her winning CvsTW season 1 was a blessing even more.
Speaking of the Sherry Pie thing, I know some countries got the original edit with Sherry included, and Gigi Goode was her counter/the villain since Sherry was meant to win. I really wanted to know how that was supposed to look.
Also the Season 11 girls basically throwing AS6 is wild because, at one point, they had the numbers to coast to the end.
Versex getting the villain edit to getting Ms Congeniality:
I mean she did try to make things right w Khianna idk. She also supported the eliminated girls. I like her.
my favourite thing that came out of s15 is luxx noirs "no" when asked if she thought gooseys dress was unique
Honestly it kindof funny because for season 15 -16 I figured the "villians" ended up being Q and Loosey Leduca, tying them into the delusional edit, which is fueled by queens like Mistress and Plane. it made awesome TV honestly
There are a couple of reasons for this shift. Firstly, a true villain has to always be dehumanised, in the sense that we don’t see their true emotions or get a decent backstory. Production has been (rightfully) less willing to do this recently. Secondly, because of social media, queens have more personal contact with their fans, meaning that even if production decides to dehumanise them on screen, they still control to some extent how they’re received by the fans.
Lol i was just scrolling through Reddit searching about Rajah post and your video popup . What a lovely coincidence ❤
I know some of Rajah's lines on S11 were out of order, but she was actually one of my favourites from the start because it seemed like most of her demeanour came from being under tons of pressure, as well as noticing the buffoonery in the production. I found her charismatic and hilarious, despite her jabs, so her redemption was even more satisfying, because I knew that a lot of people didn't share the same opinion about her. It was amazing to see her receive the flowers she deserves. (Unpopular opinion, I absolutely loooove her burlap pants look).
It depends on how they’re edited. Bad edits ruin great villain characters by overdoing it. I love Chanel O’Connor’s villain edit so far bc the edit isn’t heavy-handed
I love every era of Rajah. I love every second of her being on my television screen. She genuinely brings me SO much joy.
re: Rajas burlap pants... yes, she made pants out of burlap. Nice pants even. But they were ALSO falling apart as she walked down the runway (I distinctly recall seeing the seams separating leaving holes in the side seams) So... yeah, she deserved the critiques. Part of making a good garment is knowing which fabrics are going to work and which aren't- and if you're going to use an unconventional fabric in a project it isn't suited for you have to PULL IT OFF, or you're going to get read for filth for doing something silly. I love me some Raja, but she didn't pull it off in this instance.
This is exactly what I was thinking
The problem is yvie the one who started all the fights with Rajah and Rajah simply replied
I absolutely love, Rajah. I'ld watch her read a phone book. I wake up every Saturday morning to watch her and Icesis. I've never seen an episode of binge queen but quickly changed when I found out she was featured. I want her back on my screen, asap. I think she now should get the grace of being a little shady, now that we know she is such a beautiful soul if she returns to do All Winners!
I just dont understand the need for people to attack queens on their social media bc they did or said something mean on a tv show 💀 like can we just chill and maybe save all that hate for queens who are actually problematic like Sherry pie
The hate train was fast on Rajah, but it went off the rails for Silky. I’ve never seen a queen receive so much hate (and totally undeserved might I add).
I can say I was not a fan of Rajah on season 11 but fell in love with her on as6
Ra’jah is love, light and purple rain through and through. One of the best redemption arcs in RPDR. 💜💜💜
She didn't even act that bad on season 11. Like there's been way worse villans. I loved her and was confused about her reception lol
it probably all boiled down to the plastique and arguably scarlet the episode before confrontation, when she dukes it out with yvie i dont think it comes across as anything serious bc they both can stand their ground and can dish/serve. but scarlet and plastique both being very much on the receiving end and just taking all of her backlash rather than actually wanting a fight probably just made her look worse
I loved her!
She was and is amazing!
There is absolutely nothing unlikeable about her.
Nobody on drag race is unlikeable.
Except Santino
Rajah was so FUN on s11. I loved watching her call out Scarlet while she had the veil over her eyes 😭 idk why she looked so funny in that moment
s11 rajah was one of my favorites of the season, and i just love her even more now. she is pure entertainment 💜
I feel like this goes beyond season 11 before rajah, villains have barely ever been received well by the fandom.
Can’t forget that the fans (sometimes) have a bias towards making queens of color the “villain” to make their (white) favs look better.
He never brings this factor up in his vids and it kinda bothers me
@Rajj-gc8lomaybe because not everithing its about race, just maybe
@nicolascarmona3081 but in this case it is
@@nicolascarmona3081 this is a crazy thing to say when we owe drag and ballroom culture to black and latino queer people… its a fact that white queens are favored…?
@@nicolascarmona3081 just look at sharon needles protected career. His race was a huge part of what protected him. i think green gay should have at least mentioned that more.
Ra'Jah came back with the forced laugh to make her more approachable. Kandy tried that too, but it didn't last long. lol Watch their original seasons and later seasons and you'll know what I mean.
Phi Phi to this day carries that baggage and continues to be extremely defensive about her run..I asked her an innocent question recently on X, and she ripped me a new one, and blocked me within minutes.. You can tell her run will follow her for decades to come, and probably regrets going on the show in the first place..
What did you ask him ?
@@maximeminassian6002 I asked if she planned to return to drag after seeing a recent post in drag… she responded its none of my business, and blocked me.. I asked because for years, she talked about never returning, only wanted to be known as Jerami.. I was curious as I thought her 365 days of drag was genius, and frankly, I was excited about her returning..was it wrong to ask?.. I have no problem if he changed his mind, but why defensiveness?
@edreid7872 he probably is spammed that question daily on social media. It wouldn't suprise me if bots started to do the same thing. He probably would rather block people who ask then answer the question every so often for the rest of his life That would be my guess.
@@JJ-xe6wd I think its best to avoid answering as my opinion of him has changed.. I was a major supporter.. Not so much anymore..I know he gets a lot of hate, but why assume I was coming from a negative pov?.. He was attacking and defensive..why continue to reinforce the label of villain?..
Get over yourself tho. If you were supposed to be such a huge supporter, you would know he would never return to the show so for you to intentionally ask that you antagonizing him even I know that I’m not a huge supporter I let him be.
Rajah was too much tbh and it was a character how did she change that much in as6 and became that lovely funny and charismatic queen that we love so quickly??
I think that something that warm up the audience for Mistress and Plane is their stellar performances. Rajah wasn't slaying her s11 run, so her remarks were taken from the perspective of insecurity and bitterness. On the other hand Mistress and Jane did great so their words were welcomed with like «yeah no sh- she knows what she's talking about, she has the right» point of view
1:25 okay body reveal when
What was that word at 10:07??
my guess is it’s supposed to be “wane” but it’s mispronounced as “dwane” 🥲
Kandy has been rocking it on house of villans
I feel like it’s kinda good in some ways not to have a pure villain anymore much as I miss it. Reality TV of the 2000s relied on that trope but also much of it (like Next Top Model or maybe even more like Survivor) didn’t really anticipate contestants having much of a public presence after the show or really cared about what happened to them at all (NTM was never actually interested in producing successful models) whereas Rupaul’s Drag Race I think does have more care for how the contestants do afterward, in part because they stay with the brand forever unless they get on bad graces and also because the success of the show does kinda hinge on the continued success of even the most filler queens, even if not all the gigs they do are affiliated. So because the villain story works to create an ignominious figure out of the contestant it doesn’t work as well when said contestant is a hugely visible figure within the industry the show is portraying. For better or worse Drag Race is the engine that runs Drag more broadly unlike something like Top Model which is a funhouse mirror of a more serious industry but had little influence
Rupaul’s drag race have fucked up villains.. bottom line cut and dry..
I really liked that she saw how some of her comments were cruel and grew. Yvie had to deal with those comments too
Honestly I feel like people live for villains now. I would love Jaremi to do Phi Phi again and go back on Drag Race. I think people would live for her!!!
I wasn't into Rajah season 11 but Silky I really loved season 11! She was messy but she was a diva and I LIVED for her and still do!
Rajah is a powerhouse, nothing but love for her. 💜
I mean the difference is clear; it depends on what the "villain" actually says. Plane Jane only really got nasty with Amanda but Amanda always snapped back with an even better retort so Plane came clean out of it. Everything else she said was just trolling. Contrast this with Rajah's confessionals on Yvie that just felt so personal, PhiPhi's Jiggly drama that just looked so stupid (cause Jiggly was not a threat so what was that even about?) or even Luxx choosing that exact wording for Lucy in S15. I just think some queens made really poor choices with the materials they provided to the producers cause in no context is calling someone ugly and smelly OK so I cannot really give you the benefit of the doubt. There is a difference between shade and reading.
That said for me, Ra'jah handled the situation very well in her S11 Reunion and I know some queens were calling her out during that reunion but for me her apology did feel genuine though very poorly phrased. And it helped that anyone who was even distantly unbiased knew that her elimination was bullshit when the bottom two at that episode felt completely random (with imo Silky having the worst look and Nina being barely less bad while Rajah was safe or even high and A'keria was low at worst)
Also I think for a villain to really work in Drag Race, they need to be successful at the show itself.
To me the real difference between a "Villain" and a queen that comes across as just mean spirited is the fact that in the former case there's someone that plays the "Hero" and that actively clashes with them;
Jaremi had "her" in S4 and Alyssa during AS2, Ra'Jah had Yvie which was always letting her have it and, on a lesser extent, Plastique and Scarlet shading her back, Plane Jane had Amanda always clapping back, they were creating drama bc everyone was involved in the drama, they always said to each other faces what they thought.
Kandy had a full blown fight with Tamisha that wasn't going to let her behave like that.
Brita too, in a way, had people confronting her behaviour, like Heidi lashing out and Aiden herself snapping back at one point.
Roxxxy was absolutely a mean girl and a bully against Jinkx in S5, but even if Jinkx dind't clap back to her most of the time (I believe Alaska said she did, but the edit didn't show it as much), she defended herself in front of other ppl with things like the water off a duck's back line.
The Kween and Kitty thing is that we never see Nehellenia defending herself or dishing it back or coming for them, what we're seeing is two queens downplaying her, shading her, saying mean things in confessional but almost never to her face, and then we see Nehellenia being sweet with them, congratulating their performances and acting like a friend - like in the makeover episode where we hear Nehellenia saying to Kitty that the judges didn't hate her look and called her beautiful and she shouldn't feel like a failure, and immediately Kween goes on the offensive and the confessional shows us Kitty backing her up. That's not "drama" and it's not enjoyable, it just reads as them acting like bullies to a person that's doing nothing wrong to even explain, let alone justifying, why they're behaving like that. They're creating a "Villain" narrative but without a real "Hero" to back it up and make it enjoyable. Nehellenia is just a victim - either bc she didn't actually respond to them or bc they're editing her to look like one.
With that being said, ofc Kween and Kitty do not deserve the absolutely horrifying comments they're receiving and a lot of fans should really log off and go self reflect on their miserable life, but at the same time I can see why the general reaction to their behaviour on this season was so harsh and just a minority of the fans are on their side, expecially if you add the clear favouritism they're given by the production, which was never a thing for villains until Kandy Muse.
I thought we were joking about MIB being a villain too... until she hit me with her car
kween and kitty are the closest we’ve gotten to real villains in a long time.
I never hated rajah on s11. I tend not to hate any queens because 1. I think its ridiculous to put that negative energy from you onto someone. And 2. Its a pressure cooker in a competition when youre competiting for something you put all your hard work in.
But on s11 i just saw a queen who spoke her mind and saw a person who didnt want to show emotions (that vulnerability) but on as6, oh my god i was mesmerized! It was a complete turn around and just a glow up of the actual person she is and she was beaming. And it all made sense in the finale when she said she came in s11 a premature diamond...she was rock but with enough pressure and time she turned into diamond and we saw who she really was. So i live for rajah and tend to give rugirls grace when seeing them on tv cause as tati famously said "what you see isnt always the truth"
I had a little trouble watching some of her interactions with Scarlet Envy on season 11. However, by no means did she deserve any hate, I think she was just young and had some growing to do. Like we all do! It must be hard being in the public eye and being nearly nailed to a cross for every single one of your flaws, so I def wish she never suffered any of that bullying from the “fans.” NO one is perfect, and this queen obviously blossomed and learned from her younger self.
I was always shocked by Rajah being in the bottom for her design challenge, too. That season was so overproduced.
I think the edit of the queens has changed just as much as the queens themselves. Here's the thing, there are plenty of queens that could be considered "villains" in the modern season, but they just get a more fleshed out storylines. You mentioned Plane and Mistress, which I agree with because they could've been edited to look a lot nastier in the final cut. I think another big example is Trinity K Bonet on AS6. They easily could've edited her to look like a petulant, ungrateful, annoying person, but instead they gave her a more well-rounded portrayal of her genuine human emotions. Even with season 12, there was that rumor that Gigi was the villain and originally had that storyline, which you can still see remnants of in the final season. I think production and the editors are also now wary of how a full-blown villain edit can destroy the careers of these queens and are trying to avoid it.
My theory is that with Global All Stars, they're making Kween and Kitty look like the villains so it'll give them an excuse to crown Alyssa or Nehellenia. This theory is sorta backed up by the fact that the editing team is not the traditional US one, so they may not be as careful or knowledgeable about the power/consequences that come with an outright villain edit. I don't know, that whole season is weird so I could be completely off.
i lived for her on season 11 and was so happy when she won her lipsync against Scarlet because I wanted her to stay.
My ex was an absolute hater and couldnt stand her, no wonder why hes an ex
Okay but honestly, why was nobody killed at stonewall?
How was rajah in the bottom for that design challenge? Her look was stunning !!
Bring back messy and villainous behaviour damnit! I want to be entertaiiiiiined 😅
As someone who hasn't had cable since the early 2010s, I often watched seasons months later, and I was always surprised by the fandom reaction to some of the queens. The only queen I ever recall having a non-positive reaction to was Silky Nutmeg Ganache (most on season 11.) I just didn't really connect with her drag or her personality as portrayed on the show, and Silky doesn't know my opinion because I kept it to myself.
I loved her right away. Never saw her as a villian. A fiesty cutie, but we already know what the fan base is steeped in.
it really depends on their background
like we appreciated the Vixen going off on everyone as an indigenous queer
People don't realize that a good deal of the most memorable seasons had a really good villain to make you want to keep watching. Feels like people bully messy queens not out of a need to do the right thing but just to knock someone down a peg to feel morally superior. Bullying is still bullying even if you claim to be doing it for the "right" reasons.
I just always try to remember that sometimes it’s the edit and choice of the producers or that they’re deliberately being a bitch for good TV, because people sometimes take this shit way too seriously (i.e. the toxic fandom) and at the end of the day it’s LITERALLY a REALITY TV show that basically feeds on drama.
Once somebody wrote "Do you really hate them, or do you hate production" and it blew my mind. I hate production, all day every day. With that said, the impenetrably wholesome drama-free Down Under 2024 season has restored my faith in the franchise. Unstoppable legends. QUEENS, CLOSE RANKS
So are we finally going to realize the MOST HATED Villains all have DARKER SKIN?
@Rajj-gc8lo As a longtime fan I respectfully disagree. Please don't lump us all into one group.
For the record, I don't care for bullies and I save my hate for politics not members of my own community that I have never met. Cheers.
I mean, everyone is labeling Kween as THE villain, but nobody mentions how Kitty can equally fit the role alongside her. I wonder why 🤔
@Rajj-gc8loyep.
Umm phi phi is white
@@nicolascarmona3081 Um Phi Phi is literally Filipino
I will always support these Villains 🦹♀️
I.loved Rajah.
I literally love almost all the villains 😂😂😂 Rebecca Glasscock walked so these hoes can sprint in their lace fronts 😂😂😂 i love the villains that didn’t get treated like villains too like Jade Jolie or Shangela S3 😂😂😂
and now she's a queen of the mother tuckin' world
My all time queen from day one.
I never thought she was a villain in season 11!!😂😂😂
Loved Rajah in her original season. Thought her aesthetic was so fun and different. And I’ll defend her burlap pants to my dying breath.
Its all in the edit i would say. An edit can make or break someone.