We appreciate all the suggestions. However, we are only looking at fifth wheels and those that are smaller than our current 35’ 13’ 6’ wide Grand Design. We know we won’t get all our “wants” - we will compromise and then customize
Here's a question.. since your planning on doing more boondocking, is there an option where you can put the 3D printers outside of the RV and run them off of a external outlet? Then store them inside when your not using them in the pass through, or the rear seat of your truck? or is that too much of a theft risk to put them outside?
We lived full time in our 41' 2020 373RD Montana High Country (3rd RV, with 4 slides) while we were buying and remodeling our new fixer upper house and I could NOT wait to downsize. After being weekend warriors in our first two travel trailers, we discovered how hard it is to move a giant trailer/tow vehicle. We are now full-timing in our 4th RV.... A 19' 2023 No Boundaries 19.2 off road trailer with ZERO slides. We are SOOO happy with our downsize. We were able to downsize from a 2020 F350 DRW to a 2023 Jeep Gladiator. Again, what an awesome downsize. I agree that no matter the size of the RV, the most important thing is to learn to maximize storage.... We have become literal masters at it. Good luck with your future purchase!!
@@DownsizingMakesCents ok.. then how about using one of the collapsible octagon enclosures everyone raves about? I'm just spitballing ideas to help you minimize your remodeling efforts :)
Wife and I have been Rving since 1992. We've had 6 Rvs over that time. Never had a 5th wheel, never will. I won't give up 8' of covered with a cap, dry and Secure bed in our pickup. Waaaaaay too much storage to give up. Now we have a 30' Rockwood 2606ws and love it. We have a house we love but still spend 3 to 4 months a year in it. Looking forward to seeing what you get. Have a Jesus filled day everyone Greg in Michigan
We're on our 4th RV.... 3rd one was a 5th wheel.... The space you give up in your truck bed, you gain from all the storage in your 5th wheel. Best thing about a 5th wheel is that 4 ft of your trailer is over the bed of your truck.... Which makes a bigger RV much more controllable....
having a 5th wheel I can tell you, you do not give up the entire bed. you do have to keep things you want to keep dry in boxes or bins but you can pretty much use the entire bed below the rails and not near the hitch.
@jmanatee with our travel trailer we have the entire bed up to the cap roof 4 foot above the floor plus 8 ' x 5' bed. Also it's dry with no dry boxes needed.👍 Happy camping
@@greghomestead8366 I understand how a cap works and that you have more storage then if you have a 5th wheel hitch. I was responding to your comment "Waaaaaay too much storage to give up" I was simply stating the fact that you do not give up the entire bed. Further, every 5th wheel camper I have seen has tons more storage then every TT have have seen. I would guess that you gain storage by going 5th wheel
You have a lot of good ideas from experience regarding want and don't want. I'm noticing some brands going to cable driven slides. I'd research further before buying an RV using them. Maybe they have improved, but removing interior trim around the slides to adjust or repair seems intrusive. Also not all brands are using quality plumbing parts, way too many plastic fittings and high pressure tubing rather than PEX. I strongly support your insistence on a beefed up suspension! Good luck with your shopping and happy travels!
Paul, We are a bit worried about cable driven slides. But our Schwintek bedroom slide has been nothing but trouble. And the cable ones are not as complicated to fix. And we know all too well about plumbing issues unfortunately- plastic breaking, etc. if we buy used, we would have more money to do something with the suspension All great thoughts. Thanks, Alice
We purchased a 2017 Keystone sprinter. The suspension was under sized, broke a spring on each axle on one trip to Florida. Outriggers on frame were showing signs of fatigue after 50,000 miles. That was when we traded it off. Just saying, if you are looking at a Keystone product I would really do my homework.
We downsized from 36' 5th wheel to a truck camper, loved it! Then I had a stroke and things changed. We now have a 22' class c motorhome and love it! Life changes and going with the flow can either be a challenge or an adventure. Good luck getting all you both want. Travel on!
Joy, So sorry to read about your health. We know all too well how quickly things can change. Larrys Neuro disease is incurable and he can relapse at any time. Larry still wants a fifth wheel - whether we stay full time or get a homebase and go 6 months at a time. We hope life hasn’t slowed you down too much, Alice
Joan, We try to laugh at ourselves though we are actually in a very stressful situation. And thank you. We do think some of the points we went over are not covered by RV salesman. And frankly, not by many RUclipsrs? Alice
Have you investigated Outdoors RV in La Grande, Oregon? These are stout travel trailers & fivers. Thompson RV are specialists in Outdoors RV, but there are several dealers in the US and Canada.
We love the artic fox 5ers but it is really hard to find them in the eastern us. The 275L was on our list 4 years ago but the couch is on the wrong side. The Oregon RVs need to do a better job of getting units to the east. larry
Look at toy hauler, we down size from 42 garage, to 36 open box. They have built generator, 150 gal of water, tie down in the rig for our toys, and the back door makes a deck. They have high clearance.
The only ones I would consider are the Brinkley or Alliance. Cougar is made by Keystone and Keystone is part of THOR. All of the Thor RVs are having frame issues. And the fact that you are looking for a lightweight makes it worse. The problem is, to make them lighter they are using thin steel for the frames. I've seen some as thin as 1/8 inch. They of course all have a Lipportt frame. Brinkley does use Lipport, BUT it is built to their specs. More cross beams and heavier steel. I've heard reports but can't confirm that LIpportt uses lower quality steel to keep the price down. Thor also owns Airstream & Winnebago, which used to be THE brand to own, but they are having frame problems too. It can't be the slides because Airstream doesn't have them. You can't build these big frames out of thin steel to keep cost and weight down and think they won't break. If you are boondocking, you REALLY need a sturdy frame like the Brinkley. I don't know much about Alliance other than I'm not hearing negative stuff and they aren't owned By Thor. Anything Thor owns is pretty much crap now. They own all the ones that used to be quality, like Starcraft, Winnebago, Coachmen, Airstream and Keystone. Another one I hear good things about is Oliver. You might check them out. Basically stay away from Thor for sure. Pretty much anything built in Elkhart has a Lipportt frame, BUT they build what the RV company orders. So check and see what problems others are having! ie the Brinkley is a Lipportt, but they didn't cheap out on it. Alliance seems to build their own frame, so that may be a plus.
We have a 2012 Keystone Alpine fifth wheel with over 150,000 miles on it.... and it is tighter than a snare drum! Now, we looked at the Keystone Couger half ton fifth wheels at Christmas and could not have been more dissapointed in the fit and finish!!! The salesman was very embarrassed. Thank you for another wonderful vlog!
@@DownsizingMakesCents I don't intend to be mean, but Solitudes are mid grade trailers. Not every brand has issues, and not every model out of every brand has issues. Some more than others and some larger issues than others. Keystone has a new styrofoam flooring with almost no cross members. They make it 100% clear it is not a full time RV. This is because when the floors are walked on as much as someone that lives in their RV, the floor sags because the styrofoam compacts. Once this happens, everything from the rig has to be pulled out and the floor has to be removed. That's right, your entire rig would have to be gutted to fix the issue. So you think you have issues with the Solitude, you'll just trade it for a different serious issue. But don't take my word on it, do your own research and you'll learn all about it.
@@DownsizingMakesCents just wanted to add more to my response. The reason RVs are not built for full time living is due to the materials they use and they are not up to building code of a full time structure. If they built them to code, they would be way too heavy to go down the road.
My friend bought a Rockwood to live in with her kids after the lady she was renting from kicked them out so she could sell it. It seems to be really nice.
Surely there is no perfect RV for both of you. My best suggestion is for Larry to put his foot down and get the rv that is perfect for him.. Larry has to hitch it pull it maintain it so it should be all about Larry.. I know when I purchased my KZ it was all my decision.. Thanks DMC (Alice is going to hate me)
He’s already getting his way. I wanted a Class C (so I would drive). I wanted 30’ or less. Larry wants his couch. More examples. And yes. I hate you 😉 I do have to live in it and help maintain it, etc. Alice
Glad your insurance covered your issue...and your rig lasted as long as it did. Been in the industry for 37 years and your issue is very common with Full Timers. Any of the rigs you have chosen will eventually have similar issues. The problem is full timers keep their trailers at or above the trailers Max rated weight and it is just a matter of time when the suspension or frame fails. My suggestion here has helped many .... Sell your Truck...buy a smaller Truck Buy a 32' - 37' used Super C and pull your smaller Truck. Stick with an international or Freightliner Truck frame. This option should allow you to pay for most of the Super C in cash
Thank you for the information However, grouping all full timers is not helpful. See our very popular video about the importance of weighing at a Cat Scale. The real problem is the RV industry. Rigs labeled “full time” or “extended stay” are inaccurate. How much weight they can hold is inaccurate. I know that’s a generalization just like yours, but most people will agree that the RV industry needs a complete overhaul. Alice
@@DownsizingMakesCents I agree the RV industry should use heavier duty truck frames and suspension in their trailers. They know about the issue but they don't care.
Cougar has some of the nicest floor plans but I won’t buy a trailer with a cable slide and I’d rather not have Furrion appliances. Did you look at Forest River’s Rockwood and Flagstaff brand fifth wheels? They sit fairly high with 4-step entry stairs and they have Dexter Torflex axles. Also, if you’re going to boondock I would look seriously at Northwood Manufacturing’s fifth wheels. I think they now offer a lighter wood for their cabinets. And I think they have a dealer as far east as PA now.
Allan, Appreciate the suggestions. But we looked at all of those and they were too long, or too tall, or couch in wrong place, or TV in wrong place. Some things you can move around - but not size 😁 Alice
Just curious, why Arctic Fox didn’t make the list? I’m also looking to buy a new 5th wheel this year. I keeping coming back to Arctic Fox. I know I’ll have to go west to get it because of their dealer locations. I’ve spent a lot time in forums and RUclips looking for issues. If I do buy 1st thing will be the MoRide independent suspension up grade and then that new flex armor roof replacement. I’m guessing about $15000 in upgrades right of the bat. But, when I sale my home to full time I think they are worth the cost. Any thoughts?
Arctic Fox(es), OutDoorsRV, Nash, Wind River, and any Northwood Manufacturing products our fine rigs but have a few selected dedicated buyers for their practical intended use. We full-time on our current OutDoorsRV 25RDS 31 feet travel trailer with one slide in the living room for the past six years and counting. We have driven it to washboards, rugged terrains, and places that are questionable for this rig but it keeps on impressing me every time. Never visited a dealer lot or repair shop since day one. There are few things to fix and replace but, are simple and nothing major. The Arctic Fox line up 5th wheel, truck campers, and travel trailers are nicely built product but only a couple selected buyers and owners who truly appreciate the quality, finish, and durability of the rig. I say, go for it! Now, in our six years anniversary on the road as a full-time RV dwellers, we are pushing the cash envelope a little as we are going to try to purchase our replacement rig which is a 2023 DRV FullHouse 5th wheel toy hauler to keep on our journey on the road. Safe travels and happy trails!
We originally looked at Arctic Foxes. But couldn’t find any near us to check out in person. Plus, there are features we are moving away from. I agree they are solid rigs. Good luck with your new rig if you get it. But never thought of a DRV going off road 😁 Alice
Peter, Arctic Fox is a great rig. Built solid. There are just some floorplan issues we can’t see work around. Plus, very hard to find one near us. We have heard good and bad about MoRide - we don’t see affording it right now. Plus, is there a long wait? Our solar system that Larry installed himself was about $10,000 - but we did that before he quit his high paying job. Keep cash in reserve. Because of all we have gone through - especially Larry’s rare incurable neuro disorder - we are still prioritizing getting a homebase. Just some thoughts, Alice
Hi guys, love the reviews! I would really check out the RV that Chris and Aaron bought they are “Irene iron travels”. They also have a desk area couch and off grid constantly. and not to mention a washer and dryer hook up all for 33 feet.
Thanks for the suggestion but it’s the height we are trying to get away from. Not much clearance below. Bed in slide. I’m glad it’s working for them. But it would be like buying another Solitude with all the same issues. Alice
I know you are focused on a fifth wheel - but for a robust frame, a super C on a Freightliner chassis would be great! But...I get it! I agree about the cabinet colors! And the awning not covering the entry is ridiculous. I haven found a good solution yet for that. The island in ours is too large. We all know these things are not designed by real RVers! You might search JD Power (formerly NADA Guides) for older reviews of specific models you find in older years. You both make really good points.
I would love to have a Super C. But Larry prefers a fifth wheel. When a new floorplan is made into a prototype, the designers should have to travel in it for months. I bet the floorplan would change 😁 We definitely want to buy used. So the JD Power is a great tip. Thanks Alice
Hi first huge fan!!! I watch all of your videos with my husband Rick. So for us the Brinkley toy hauler is on our short list, but you said the Brinkley is impractical. We would be buying our first RV and your opinion carries a lot of weight with me. So I need to understand why you think it’s impractical? Please elaborate if you have time. Thank you so much.
Hey Mrs. Rick 🤗 Brinkley is pricey because it’s “fancy” - we fell for that with the Solitude that is supposedly “luxury.” That’s what we meant. We don’t need crown molding in an RV😁 Plus, the Brinkley company is very new - so how do we know how they will last? We will always have time for the people that have time for us. 🤗 Alice
Going to miss my outdoor kitchen that’s on our cougar. Our new rv is going to be quality…..his it’s made from the ground up. Going Brinkley. Love your videos!
So it sounds like you want space, big refrigerator, comfy couch, good storage, roof with six solar panels.....so your next Rv needs to be the same size you have or bigger 😄.
Keystone Family with Grand Designs U need to investigate u might the same Prblems as The solitude stay away I think y’a should stay clear from Grand Designs.
I think we got lucking when we bought our 2016 GD 27RL (last year they made them good) not to big not to small just right. and i notice GD was not on your list.
Mark, Unfortunately, we couldn’t find one that had most of our ins. I wish we found a 30’. But we did find shorter, not as tall and not as wide 🤗 Alice
I found a Keystone fifth wheel that checked almost all the boxes we need, but I just can't get past the fact that it has floor vents, especially next to the toilet. No vents in the floor is the main reason we bought our Grand Design, but we now need to move up to a larger size and none of the Grand Design fifth wheels have the floor plan we need. I really wish Keystone would stop putting the heat vents in the floors. Good luck on your journey.
I totally get it. The vents and windows in the Grand Design is what sold me. But we have different needs now. I figure we can completely cover vents until we need them for heat. Did you look at Brinkley? It’s not for us, but you may like them. Next video will be about the smallest Brinkley - 33’ Alice
We had a Keystone Cougar 5th wheel for 3 years and loved it. There was not one, single problem with that 5th wheel the whole time we had it. The only time it was back to the dealer was the first year to have them winterize and inspect it for us. The rest of the time we took care of it ourselves.
Check out outdoors rv made in Oregon all those other rvs are made with the same frame they bend and brake they are all cheap made with a hefty price tag
Hey guys, absolutely love your rv considerations. We had a Northwood Fox Mtn 235 RLS 5th wheel and we loved it. I believe it will check many of your boxes. Northwood is a midsized privately owned RV manufacture in La Grande, OR. They fab their own frames, are all season (La Grande gets cold), under 30’, 3,200# cc, no island, windows open trailer. Northwood also builds the Outdoors RV line. The only big negative is I’m not sure if the slide is a blocker. That said I really suggest you take a look. Oh, and there are a few used ones out there.
Rick, Appreciate the suggestion. We looked and either couch is on “ wrong side” and or it has a bed in a slide. We are willing to compromise on a lot of other things, but those are biggies. Maybe I’m missing one? Not tall - under 13’. Not long - under 33’ Alice
Alice. Our Fox Mtn 235 had couch along the rear wall and no bedroom slide. Under 30 ft long and under 13 ft high. Unfortunately the kitchen is on camping side. Ordered Larry’s window wedge today. :) All the best to you and Larry.
@@rickburkhalter5448Awesome. Thanks for the support on the window wedge. If you use Facebook or Instagram, I would love to see a picture of it in your rig and tag us 🤗 Alice
Many of your ins and outs match ours. My issue with 1/2 tons is ccc is smaller and wheels/tires are 15". I recommend 16" at least for the travel you do. Suspension, I have Morryde full independent suspension and no suspension issues related to brackets and equalizers. They also raised the 5th wheel up when it was installed, so I recommend that to resolve Larry's suspension issues.Thanks for the ideas. We head to our local RV show next week.
How do you like the moryde, that would be an obvious choice for us but not really in our budget, as it would add about 10k to the price. But you are right about wheel size, i want as big as possible, at least 16 inch bettter travel and higher clearance than the 15s, it should have been on my in list. Larry
@DownsizingMakesCents I love the Morryde full independent suspension. I know it costs a lot, but for me it's worth it. Every summer we spend 3-4 weeks from CA to our club annual rally - so lots of miles in a few days. It resolved the chucking problem we had (I also have the Morryde rubber pin box). The before and after was so noticeably better. With all your miles over your 6 months on the road, I highly recommend it. I did not go for the disc brakes. Because the suspension has more up and down movement, they had to raise my trailer to accommodate the increased suspension travel. We have a 2013 Laredo 5th wheel about 32 ft and we just keep maintaining it. So every winter it goes to the shop and all the lube spots on the Morryde get lubed - no service issues on it. All the best for your in your search.
@@seagullm6stringGlad your MorRyde is working for you and you can get regular maintenance. That’s one of the things I’d like to be able to do when we get a homebase. Keep enjoying your rig. And stay tuned to see what we buy 😉 Alice
David, It’s a new company that still needs to be tested. The price is much like our GD Solitude- paying for more because it’s pretty. Maybe in a couple years, when we see how they last? And can buy used Alice
@@DownsizingMakesCents you should check out the frames and suspension on the brinkley. They are the only manufacturer that oversizes their frames and add summo springs. In addition they plump. Everything like a house unlike others who use wrong pex fittings and inevitably have leaks. Grand design is a prime example of cheaping on frames . They have hendreds of broken frames because of frame flex.
We’re in a 20’ class C. I gave up kitchen (particularly counters) space. We spend 6 months south in the winter and I would never do such a small kitchen again.
Shelley, I am worried about going to a smaller kitchen. But I don’t think anything we pick will be as small as you did. I know people do it. It’s just not right for us. Did you buy a different rig? Alice
We had a truck camper before, which was also too small, but we eat whole food, plant based and that takes a lot of fridge space and lots of chopping. I set up tv trays to give me more “counter” space.
@@shelleyclarke9325Our issue is Larry needs freezer space for his gluten free bread. And panty for other sometimes hard to get gluten free bars. Good luck, Alice
Michele, That wouldn’t be downsizing 😁 After 40 years together, we have learned to compromise. New video this Sunday about the rig we decided on, Alice
Rockwood makes a 30ft. Travel trailer. Also artic fox fifthwheel. But please ask around and check into the keystone products. I've always loved keystone floor plans but I also know that keystone is notorious for leaking and delamination. So please check into that and let me know if you've found out things have changed. Best of luck to y'all. Looking forward to the next video
We are only looking at fifth wheels. And the Arctic Foxes are hard to find around here and most are very tall - we are trying to get away from tall Not just Keystone with leaks - we have tons. And GDs have been delaminating too Thanks for the tips, though. Alice
We had travel trailers for years, but I wanted a fifth wheel. Took nearly 4 years, and multiple rejections from my wife, but I found the Alliance Avenue 30RLS, which finally checked the boxes (mostly hers), but it does have a nice nap couch. It is 33' ish, 10K lbs +-, and I tow it easily with a 2500hd 4wheel drive, using a Curt Crosswing Hitch (20k capacity, 65# & removable, with hitching capabilities at odd angles ++!). Good Luck in your journey.
Larry, The only one we consider from Alliance is the 29RK. Issues? Very little storage in bedroom and it has a kitchen island. We need to see it in person. Thanks, Alice
Good luck in your search. I say go with that Class C. Much easier. lol Really get what you like and makes you happy. I would say go for the home base first. Hope you had fun at the show and everything is going well for y'all. I still say a home base here in TN is what you really need. Then just RV in FL and pay much less overall. lol Later y'all
William, it all depends what we find first - RV or land. Gainesville has to be our homebase though we loved Tennessee. You guys got lucky with your slice of paradise, Alice
We have a 2022 Cougar SGS. Storage: fair Table: awful. I replaced it with a narrow table so you face the window when you eat (let me know if you'd like a picture) Build quality: could be better but I couldn't afford a more expensive 5er. Bed: we replaced the short queen with a 60x80 and it fits fine. Might need to upgrade the struts but we haven't yet Bathroom: sink clearance for brushing teeth stinks but I think they fixed that in the newer models. Towel storage is small and hard to reach Keystone: we bought a model with 200W panel and planned to add the solar "stuff" from our last rig. Keystone was VERY uncooperative. They would not provide a roof plan (the manufacturer of our last rig did) and they would not help us when I had questions about putting in another solar port on the roof. Boo hiss Keystone. We did it all anyway. Can't beat the dual slides in the living area. Easy to tow. Overall grade: B-
Glenda, We actually are returning to that model - TV and couch placement ruled it out. But we are thinking how to move that all around - customize Sorry to hear about solar issues. Larry installed our system himself and will transfer it himself. Hopefully Weill get more cooperation if we need it. Thank you for such a detailed review. We really appreciate it, Alice
Good luck. Our last 3 was from 24 to 30 to 35. Wildcat, Arctic Fox, Solitude. The Arctic Fox was the 27-5L, Very Nice. We have the 2930 S class Solitude now, Love it. And all of your wants is VERY IMPORTANT. Holding tanks was my biggest challenge. You guys know what you want, and the bathroom and access to the bathroom and refrigerator is a dealbreaker. GOOD LUCK. And, how much does he pay you to say with him hehehe
I was looking at the Cougar 27SGS a couple days ago there was actually 2 on the lot I looked at, but the better of the 2 sold last month un fortunately i was informed that the couple that bought the RV got it to Canada and filed a warranty claim for frame failure(dreaded FRAME FLEX) and the one I was looking at the other day has some serious issues possibly frame failure as well all signs point that direction plus other issues caused by lot rot. How ever they are a very nice unit in my opinion. So just be careful and get a pre purchase (POST DEALER PDI) inspection. Great video by the way I am new to your channel and enjoy your videos. God bless and be safe.
Anthony, Glad you found us 🤗 This will be our fourth RV. And Larry does a thorough inspection and pays for N independent inspection. Good point. Frame flex seems to be happening across manufacturers- perhaps because most frames are Lippert? Alice
I get what you're saying Larry. Your still a kicking, but your not "Down Sizing". Get rid of some hobbies. If you want to wind whatever, rent it. I'm sure there's someone in the area. I hate to say this but what if you have a relapse. I have MS and my wife does all the pulling of our 34' FW. I still get to back in, but my legs can't take the hours. She's a farm girl and feels comfortable. Maybe a "C" isn't such a bad idea. Sell the dually and pull a jeep.
Sorry to read about your situation. However, we have downsized quite a bit from our 2,600 square foot house on almost two acres, with a large pool, skateboard ramps, RC car tract, a boat, etc We get it. But “living” for Larry means having his toys available- not spending money renting and or hoping there are places that rent. Rent a mountain bike? He custome built the one he has. I appreciate your viewpoint, Alice
I can tell you few key points why we love our Alliance 310rl...Access to Fridge, Bathroom and Bedroom, flush floor slides, lighter wood, 101" wide body, plenty of storage, and for Larry, spare under the rig.
I know that you have mentioned that you have liked some factory reps and others not so much. My question is, why does that matter? My guess is that you are NOT able to buy direct from a Keystone RV or KZ RV anyhow. ??? I do agree that if you really want to downsize that a 30 foot or less is the only way to go!! Sorry Larry, but there is NO WAY that you would be able to tell the difference between a 32' 6" or a 36'.....when hooked up to the truck and you sitting in the driver's seat. Take it from me, I've been there. Check out Rockwood.!!!
The KZ rep was annoyed we questioned their “code” - why can’t we have windows open in kitchen? What happens when we need real help. These aren’t sales people. No, went notice length while towing, but the longer you are, the fewer sites are available at state, national, city, county campgrounds Alice
You made some very good points. We cant help much because we are hunting the perfect toy hauler (Larry toys are a must...I agree...maybe not wifey) Communication & compromise are the se rets to a successful purchase & marriage. Our manufacturers that we like are Forest River, Alliance, Brinkley, keystone & maybe Grand Design. There worth a look Cheers 🍺
Thanks rob, I think working on a good marriage is the most important job we have. We are trying to accommodate each others ins and outs in the rv choice but it is hard. Larry
High off the ground but not too tall? We would never purchase a 5th Wheel with the kitchen on a slide. Too much weight hanging past the frame. Just spent $3500.00 to fix kitchen slide (poor design) not recommended. Best of luck. Love your channel
Larry, The KZ actual does have high clearance but not tall - but that means less storage. Which we were willing to deal with. But the windows? Nope. We have had a kitchen slide for 4 years - moved on average once a week. No issues. Maybe we got lucky? Alice
You need a toy hauler so there is a room dedicated to your work. Storage also with the height. It would have a nap bed above your work. Using a happy jack bed lift. You’re gonna need a dually truck so it can haul this 34’. It will have a big roof and full size appliances. When my slide is in I can thru the whole length. Spare tire stored underneath. No heat vents on floor. No island. Only 11’2” tall. I gave up my wish of 27’ to 29’. Had to buy another camper in a week before a scheduled trip. Ended up with 17’ Forest River Hyperlite XLR. Same floor plan still in newer.
I would not rule out an RV if you wanted different windows (ones that open). You can replace windows with ones that open using a mobile tech or possibly yourself. The Arcadia has some nice unique features with how they run their utilities up the center …. We have an S-2930RL - I have seen several used ones up for sale that look virtually brand new. Essentially like your current camper but a little shorter without the dreaded bed slide. Also has electric slides/jacks instead of hydraulic and a beefy frame with excellent cargo capacity. The Influence 2939RL is similar but without the drop frame. For you if you did get a 2930RL used you could add MorRyde independent suspension and end the frame concerns …
Mark, We went through every Keystone make. Because of size and other floorplan issues, we are looking at Cougars. Ones we can customize. We thought about replacing windows - that’s a major customization. If we bought used and researched the exact size we need, maybe that would work. But the KZ with the bad windows really were ALL the windows. Do we want to replace every single window? We would rather take on a smaller customization Thanks for all the great info and suggestions, Alice
We have an Arcadia 3250 closet slide in bedroom couldn't get a bigger mattress because of the slide. Not enough storage, built a 4' sliding drawer under dinette also counter space by kitchen sink built a counter extender flip up with the cutting board that went on the sink. Bathroom does have a little sink but good size shower. The height of the unit is 13'4" anything lower than that cuts height down inside of bedroom. Happy rv hunting.
Alice, I think the Rockwood 301RK is a great choice that meets your needs. ( and the kitchen windows open! ) I sold Rockwood trailers for quite a few years and I would say that it is one of the top 3 brands for quality of construction. Flagstaff makes a duplicate of this model in their line up also. Also, let Larry know that a 2 - 3 inch lift ( like on the KZ ) could be added to the frame if needed.
Appreciate the suggestions but couldn’t find floorplan for us. I’ll tell Larry about the lift - I’m sure Texas Trailers that fixed our bumper, installed new leaf springs and looked at our broken frame could do almost anything, Alice
We are all about having a smaller life, less stuff, less stress but more experiences. I would have taken less junk more journey but it was already taken, haha, Larry
@DownsizingMakesCents well to be fair ours is too small right now. A 16-foot bunkhouse does not leave room for a living room. I think we need a couple more feet and a slide. But more weight might mean more truck. We only go out for 2 or 3 weeks at a time, so we dont need much bigger. We're heading south tomorrow.
@DownsizingMakesCents we just got back from our winter trip. About an hour ago. 3400 miles in 16 days. Most stops were 2 or 3 days. We learned a lot. Our little rig is quite comfortable for the two of us and our little dogs on the road exploring.This trip may have actually saved us a small fortune. I think the travel trailer will do just fine for us for a few weeks at a time, so for now, we have no plans to change anything. Our little camper proved itself quite well.
Answer: you both won (or lost). Sounds like you're going to make another spreadsheet...for your ins and outs😂. More of that 40-year compromisin' needs to happen, then match that refined list with the RV that comes closest.
I have narrowed our search down to the Alliance Avenue All Access 29RL. I want the rear living area in a short/lighter fifth wheel with a north/south bed and no bedroom slide. Upgrading from a 31’ travel trailer toy hauler.
Marge, We are looking at that one. We worry about the lack of storage in bedroom for clothes. If we continue to travel full time or for 6 months at a time, that’s an issue Alice
I find many of your must have & have not to be true, especially the comment about rain on the bedroom slide roof, I installed carpet padding and some shiplap on the ceiling and back wall. It's much quieter now. Good luck finding an RV without floor vents 98% have them even the expensive units, Most RV's have removed the skylights in the main area making them darker, some even removed the power vents, losing a vent source is not a good idea. We agree the single door fridge is too small but going to a double door residential is just too much space in a RV, removing the island would give you a lot of room but then you lose valuable storage and a big sink. You are correct about the windows, any dual pane and they just don't open enough need that cross ventilation. Access to the fridge, bathroom, bedroom without opening any slide is the only RV we will ever buy. Going smaller means losing a lot of overall storage and cargo capacity, We agree about the bedroom but smaller means less clothes, rooftop real estate is obviously going to be limited for solar panels as well as the front storage being smaller and a much lower basement area. toys just won't fit. Best of luck to you
Thank you so much for taking the time to share your thoughts. You obviously know what you are taking about. Going smaller means fitting in more places - state and national are so hard to get, opening up more available sites is a must. The floor vents, fridge, storage, all that we agree we need to adjust. We will downsize. We will definitely get a homebase - just not sure when. So why buy another large rig when it could be a year or months when we own land. As we continue to research, we are deciding on the priorities in the rig. If only manufacturers made a prototype of a new floorplan and made them live and travel in it for months. I bet the floorplan would be tweaked then instead waiting for customers to tell them what’s wrong Thanks again. Well thought out comment, Alice
Ok you guys I just finished watching this episode and yes it’s hard to find the perfect rv, so the conclusion to us has been the perfect rv for us was the Cougar 32RLI because all windows slide open for that cross ventilation this also includes the bedroom windows plus this Rv came with two ac-fireplace for those chilly days or nights. The only thing is that the slides the living and kitchen makes it hard if we park by we leaned that if we just slide the out about foot out on each side it ok, we also have easy access to the bathroom in case of a emergency poop lol on the road. Plus we haven’t had any any issues with the rv and also my wife loves it. And you know what they say happy wife happy camping. Oh yes here is a tip for the awning we have the slip awning by the steps and this was my solution get some Velcro around the gap on each awning and put a small piece of black tarp and this will keep you from getting wet around the steps. We love you guys videos and stories. Good luck on your new RV see you around about…
Cosmo, Thanks so much. Looks like you have learned to compromise and customize 😉 Only Cougar for us might be a 29RL - though still issues of course. Again, thank you for watching and great info in your comment, Alice
Exactly 😆 Actually, we are drawing up our own floorplan. We have most of what we mentioned in our 35’. Now we are looking at 32’ or 33’. Wanting a smaller bedroom. So, why not? Alice
What about having/not having a washer and dryer? It looks like some of the RVs you're interested in aren't prepped for one. That was one of my ins. I know you'll find the right one.
Washer/dryer is not at all important to us, we have always found somewhere close by to do laundry, and can do everything in about two hours at a laundromat. When we can have 4 high capacity washers going at once, a dishwasher is more important to us. Larry
Chris, That’s definitely ones of those areas people feel strongly about. We have never put our slides out at a rest stop or store parking lot That’s why RVs where the slide in blocks the bathroom and bedroom seem so illogical, Alice
I thought I needed my wife to enjoy the RV life but she didn't want it, so I gave her up. Just kidding. It's all a personal taste and whatever y'all decide I think you will enjoy it.
we are not full timers although we now go more often b/c i retired a year ago. we went through 3 campers before we found the perfect one for us and our 4 boston terriers. we now have a 2021 rockwood 2608bs. it checked all the boxes except i had to compromise a shower with a seat for a round shower. it is 30feet , well built and with 2 slide outs it feels very roomy. the best thing i love is the front kitchen with the front large window. good luck with your next camper. God bless
My husband wants you add one to the Cart when you find the RV you are describing. I think you are describing a 5 bedroom, four car garage on Wheels😂 Crazy Crazy list, No downsizing on this Video At All! ! !
Janie, There are many rigs that are 40’ plus foot Not sure why ours is unrealistic? We showed specific floor plans that work. Talked about a smaller bedroom than what we have? We specifically showed how any of these rigs would be downsizing what we have? Sorry that there was a miscommunication somewhere 🤔 Alice
Bruce, Larry prefers a fifth wheel and loves his dually. Either set up, there’s hitching and unhitching - at least that’s what Larry told me when I said I wanted a Class C 😁 Good luck, Alice
we have a grand design 337 2019 it a good rig but i want to be able to get to plumbing and electric sys a little easier we are looking to repl,ace our rig in about a year aliance and columbus are both in the runing with there 34 to 37 foot fith wheels happy hunting for your next rig safe travels
good luck in your choice and finding what fits your needs best. From looking at your list it seems very heavily slanted towards Keystone. I will say that both Alliance and Brinkley both seem to be better made than GD. My wife bought a Brinkley so I am a little biased, our needs and desires were different than yours, i had been leaning towards Alliance, but I also had a Riverstone which was awesome, i regret selling, but the Brinkley is as well made or better. I also have 3D printers , in our basement at home and I cant imagine travelling with them in a small rig so more power to you! I very much agree with what you said about refrigerators, but our beast has a full size unit. good luck will be looking forward to see what you go with! I also think having the larger truck towing the smaller rig is probably just safer! looking forward to future videos
Alliance is pretty much a kissing cousin of GD - many used to work for GD. The Brinkley is nice but too young a company to know their tract record. Plus pricey for us. We are still looking. Will it be land for homebase first or RV? Who knows. Thanks so much. Whatever we pick, we have a lot of mods to deal with 😁 Alice
If a 4 season rig is a priority, I can’t imagine any half ton towable will come close to fitting that bill. They are way too light to have proper insulation to keep the hot and cold out/in like your Solitude does.
Thats a good point, but for us, we try to avoid Really cold temps, some winter days in florida get into the 20s but that is pretty rare. All of our winters have been in florida and probably always will. Im still in with solitude but Alice wants lighter and smaller. Larry
I remember when Larry got sick, in one of the videos Alice was concerned about being the driver of the rig. Alice are you comfortable driving this type of rig and threading a needle with it? It’s a concern that we are discussing in our rig hunt.
Rick, Short answer? No. I wanted a Class C But we are members of the Motor Coach which will help you get your rig “home” if need be. If Larry were so sick he couldn’t tow? Even if I “could” I would be too upset. Alice
We have had a Cougar 29rli 5th wheel for 2 years and love it. We will be going full time in it in August. Since we purchased ours, Keystone has made some necessary changes... they redid the wardrobe configuration and they reduced the profile of the medicine cabinet in the bathroom. We have made these exact improvements ourselves. One other thing that we want to do is to change out the double bowl kitchen sink for a larger single bowl. All in all we are very happy with our rig. We've been to several RV shows, including Tampa and Hershey, since we bought ours and we still feel that we for the best unit for us!
Susan, That’s great to read. But I am worried about full time or 6 months in it with such a small fridge 😳 Plus, I was looking forward to having more sites available if we got a 30’ or less rig. But it just doesn’t look like that size is out there for us. Good luck on the full time. And thanks for sharing your experience with us, Alice
Love your videos, your list is great and very similar to my excel. What about Washer and Dryer. I know in the size you are looking at it is rare but as full time people how do you feel about that on a in or out list?
Keith, Thank you so much. We are getting some flak for our list. Thanks for “getting it” We haven’t had one for 4 years 😁 We didn’t even consider it. We also are giving up a dishwasher. We rarely have full hookup so both of these would we difficult Plus, we are trying to cut down on weight as well as size. I know some full timers have them. We just use the ones in the neighborhood. Or often, there are ones in the state and national campgrounds we have stayed at. Alice
Barb, We have a dishwasher, but I can live without. And a washer and dryer would just be too heavy and take up a lot of room. It’s rare for us to be on full hookups so these didn’t make our list Great question. We forgot about them because none of the plans we looked at had them 😁 Alice
You made some very good points. That’s because you lived in it. Most people look at the beauty of it and not practicality of it. If I may mention two things. Corian counter tops a must. Also keep an eye on the plumbing. All of them are not done right. They use the wrong tubing clamps and mix match them. Bad news. Stay away from slides with cables. OMG. It’s the worst ever. You got this Larry. Ps. Are you forced out of your Rv by a certain time by the insurance company. I hope they are giving you time See you on the next video
Michel, Great tips. We have already found the plumbing issues in our GD. We are lucky that we were given time. Still looking for land. Who knows what will come first. Thanks for keeping up with us 🤗 Alice
We appreciate all the suggestions. However, we are only looking at fifth wheels and those that are smaller than our current 35’ 13’ 6’ wide Grand Design. We know we won’t get all our “wants” - we will compromise and then customize
Here's a question.. since your planning on doing more boondocking, is there an option where you can put the 3D printers outside of the RV and run them off of a external outlet? Then store them inside when your not using them in the pass through, or the rear seat of your truck? or is that too much of a theft risk to put them outside?
We lived full time in our 41' 2020 373RD Montana High Country (3rd RV, with 4 slides) while we were buying and remodeling our new fixer upper house and I could NOT wait to downsize. After being weekend warriors in our first two travel trailers, we discovered how hard it is to move a giant trailer/tow vehicle. We are now full-timing in our 4th RV.... A 19' 2023 No Boundaries 19.2 off road trailer with ZERO slides. We are SOOO happy with our downsize. We were able to downsize from a 2020 F350 DRW to a 2023 Jeep Gladiator. Again, what an awesome downsize.
I agree that no matter the size of the RV, the most important thing is to learn to maximize storage.... We have become literal masters at it.
Good luck with your future purchase!!
@@krisbeaver2901 Kris, you don’t want a chance for something to land in the area where you are 3D printing
Alice
@@DownsizingMakesCents ok.. then how about using one of the collapsible octagon enclosures everyone raves about?
I'm just spitballing ideas to help you minimize your remodeling efforts :)
@@krisbeaver2901 Appreciate it. We do have a quick clam. But will our “neighbors” appreciate the noise 😁
Wife and I have been Rving since 1992. We've had 6 Rvs over that time.
Never had a 5th wheel, never will.
I won't give up 8' of covered with a cap, dry and Secure bed in our pickup. Waaaaaay too much storage to give up. Now we have a 30' Rockwood 2606ws and love it. We have a house we love but still spend 3 to 4 months a year in it.
Looking forward to seeing what you get.
Have a Jesus filled day everyone Greg in Michigan
We're on our 4th RV.... 3rd one was a 5th wheel.... The space you give up in your truck bed, you gain from all the storage in your 5th wheel. Best thing about a 5th wheel is that 4 ft of your trailer is over the bed of your truck.... Which makes a bigger RV much more controllable....
Greg,
Glad you found a rig set up that’s right for you.
We actually store quite a bit in our 3500 longbed crewcab dually.
Safe travels,
Alice
having a 5th wheel I can tell you, you do not give up the entire bed. you do have to keep things you want to keep dry in boxes or bins but you can pretty much use the entire bed below the rails and not near the hitch.
@jmanatee with our travel trailer we have the entire bed up to the cap roof
4 foot above the floor plus 8 ' x 5' bed. Also it's dry with no dry boxes needed.👍
Happy camping
@@greghomestead8366 I understand how a cap works and that you have more storage then if you have a 5th wheel hitch. I was responding to your comment "Waaaaaay too much storage to give up" I was simply stating the fact that you do not give up the entire bed. Further, every 5th wheel camper I have seen has tons more storage then every TT have have seen. I would guess that you gain storage by going 5th wheel
You have a lot of good ideas from experience regarding want and don't want. I'm noticing some brands going to cable driven slides. I'd research further before buying an RV using them. Maybe they have improved, but removing interior trim around the slides to adjust or repair seems intrusive. Also not all brands are using quality plumbing parts, way too many plastic fittings and high pressure tubing rather than PEX. I strongly support your insistence on a beefed up suspension! Good luck with your shopping and happy travels!
Paul,
We are a bit worried about cable driven slides. But our Schwintek bedroom slide has been nothing but trouble. And the cable ones are not as complicated to fix.
And we know all too well about plumbing issues unfortunately- plastic breaking, etc.
if we buy used, we would have more money to do something with the suspension
All great thoughts. Thanks,
Alice
We purchased a 2017 Keystone sprinter. The suspension was under sized, broke a spring on each axle on one trip to Florida. Outriggers on frame were showing signs of fatigue after 50,000 miles. That was when we traded it off. Just saying, if you are looking at a Keystone product I would really do my homework.
Michael,
Sorry you went through that. Grand Design Solitude had similar issues
Alice
We downsized from 36' 5th wheel to a truck camper, loved it! Then I had a stroke and things changed. We now have a 22' class c motorhome and love it! Life changes and going with the flow can either be a challenge or an adventure. Good luck getting all you both want. Travel on!
Joy,
So sorry to read about your health. We know all too well how quickly things can change.
Larrys Neuro disease is incurable and he can relapse at any time.
Larry still wants a fifth wheel - whether we stay full time or get a homebase and go 6 months at a time.
We hope life hasn’t slowed you down too much,
Alice
You made this struggle to find the perfect RV pretty humorous. You also made a lot of good points for others looking for one to consider.
Joan,
We try to laugh at ourselves though we are actually in a very stressful situation.
And thank you. We do think some of the points we went over are not covered by RV salesman. And frankly, not by many RUclipsrs?
Alice
Have you investigated Outdoors RV in La Grande, Oregon? These are stout travel trailers & fivers. Thompson RV are specialists in Outdoors RV, but there are several dealers in the US and Canada.
We love the artic fox 5ers but it is really hard to find them in the eastern us. The 275L was on our list 4 years ago but the couch is on the wrong side. The Oregon RVs need to do a better job of getting units to the east. larry
Look at toy hauler, we down size from 42 garage, to 36 open box. They have built generator, 150 gal of water, tie down in the rig for our toys, and the back door makes a deck. They have high clearance.
Thanks. But mainly back into sites in state and national campgrounds. How do you do that with a toy hauler?
Alice
The only ones I would consider are the Brinkley or Alliance. Cougar is made by Keystone and Keystone is part of THOR. All of the Thor RVs are having frame issues. And the fact that you are looking for a lightweight makes it worse. The problem is, to make them lighter they are using thin steel for the frames. I've seen some as thin as 1/8 inch. They of course all have a Lipportt frame. Brinkley does use Lipport, BUT it is built to their specs. More cross beams and heavier steel. I've heard reports but can't confirm that LIpportt uses lower quality steel to keep the price down. Thor also owns Airstream & Winnebago, which used to be THE brand to own, but they are having frame problems too. It can't be the slides because Airstream doesn't have them. You can't build these big frames out of thin steel to keep cost and weight down and think they won't break. If you are boondocking, you REALLY need a sturdy frame like the Brinkley. I don't know much about Alliance other than I'm not hearing negative stuff and they aren't owned By Thor. Anything Thor owns is pretty much crap now. They own all the ones that used to be quality, like Starcraft, Winnebago, Coachmen, Airstream and Keystone. Another one I hear good things about is Oliver. You might check them out. Basically stay away from Thor for sure. Pretty much anything built in Elkhart has a Lipportt frame, BUT they build what the RV company orders. So check and see what problems others are having! ie the Brinkley is a Lipportt, but they didn't cheap out on it. Alliance seems to build their own frame, so that may be a plus.
We have a 2012 Keystone Alpine fifth wheel with over 150,000 miles on it.... and it is tighter than a snare drum! Now, we looked at the Keystone Couger half ton fifth wheels at Christmas and could not have been more dissapointed in the fit and finish!!! The salesman was very embarrassed. Thank you for another wonderful vlog!
Wow that is a lot of miles, I would love to see what your travel map looks like. Like they say, they dont build them like they used to. Larry
@@DownsizingMakesCents I don't intend to be mean, but Solitudes are mid grade trailers. Not every brand has issues, and not every model out of every brand has issues. Some more than others and some larger issues than others. Keystone has a new styrofoam flooring with almost no cross members. They make it 100% clear it is not a full time RV. This is because when the floors are walked on as much as someone that lives in their RV, the floor sags because the styrofoam compacts. Once this happens, everything from the rig has to be pulled out and the floor has to be removed. That's right, your entire rig would have to be gutted to fix the issue. So you think you have issues with the Solitude, you'll just trade it for a different serious issue.
But don't take my word on it, do your own research and you'll learn all about it.
@@mikemiller9119Thanks for the info.
No RV is truly built for full time even if they market it that way
@@DownsizingMakesCents just wanted to add more to my response. The reason RVs are not built for full time living is due to the materials they use and they are not up to building code of a full time structure. If they built them to code, they would be way too heavy to go down the road.
My friend bought a Rockwood to live in with her kids after the lady she was renting from kicked them out so she could sell it. It seems to be really nice.
Several people have recommended rockwood, and somehow we missed it at the show. We will have to look at the floor plans available. Larry
@DownsizingMakesCents they might have something that works for you, and you like or them might not. Who knows?
@@DownsizingMakesCents Flagstaff is the same thing with a different name.
Surely there is no perfect RV for both of you. My best suggestion is for Larry to put his foot down and get the rv that is perfect for him.. Larry has to hitch it pull it maintain it so it should be all about Larry.. I know when I purchased my KZ it was all my decision.. Thanks DMC (Alice is going to hate me)
He’s already getting his way. I wanted a Class C (so I would drive). I wanted 30’ or less. Larry wants his couch. More examples.
And yes. I hate you 😉
I do have to live in it and help maintain it, etc.
Alice
Glad your insurance covered your issue...and your rig lasted as long as it did.
Been in the industry for 37 years and your issue is very common with Full Timers.
Any of the rigs you have chosen will eventually have similar issues.
The problem is full timers keep their trailers at or above the trailers Max rated weight
and it is just a matter of time when the suspension or frame fails.
My suggestion here has helped many ....
Sell your Truck...buy a smaller Truck
Buy a 32' - 37' used Super C and pull your smaller Truck.
Stick with an international or Freightliner Truck frame.
This option should allow you to pay for most of the Super C in cash
Thank you for the information
However, grouping all full timers is not helpful.
See our very popular video about the importance of weighing at a Cat Scale.
The real problem is the RV industry. Rigs labeled “full time” or “extended stay” are inaccurate. How much weight they can hold is inaccurate.
I know that’s a generalization just like yours, but most people will agree that the RV industry needs a complete overhaul.
Alice
@@DownsizingMakesCents I agree the RV industry should use heavier duty truck frames and suspension in their trailers. They know about the issue but they don't care.
@@baseball373 Frankly, until the consumer demands better, why should they change?
They need to lose money before they will change,
Alice
U need A small Toy Hualer.
We back into most sites so that won’t do
Cougar has some of the nicest floor plans but I won’t buy a trailer with a cable slide and I’d rather not have Furrion appliances.
Did you look at Forest River’s Rockwood and Flagstaff brand fifth wheels? They sit fairly high with 4-step entry stairs and they have Dexter Torflex axles.
Also, if you’re going to boondock I would look seriously at Northwood Manufacturing’s fifth wheels. I think they now offer a lighter wood for their cabinets. And I think they have a dealer as far east as PA now.
Allan,
Appreciate the suggestions.
But we looked at all of those and they were too long, or too tall, or couch in wrong place, or TV in wrong place.
Some things you can move around - but not size 😁
Alice
Just curious, why Arctic Fox didn’t make the list? I’m also looking to buy a new 5th wheel this year. I keeping coming back to Arctic Fox. I know I’ll have to go west to get it because of their dealer locations. I’ve spent a lot time in forums and RUclips looking for issues. If I do buy 1st thing will be the MoRide independent suspension up grade and then that new flex armor roof replacement. I’m guessing about $15000 in upgrades right of the bat. But, when I sale my home to full time I think they are worth the cost. Any thoughts?
Arctic Fox(es), OutDoorsRV, Nash, Wind River, and any Northwood Manufacturing products our fine rigs but have a few selected dedicated buyers for their practical intended use. We full-time on our current OutDoorsRV 25RDS 31 feet travel trailer with one slide in the living room for the past six years and counting. We have driven it to washboards, rugged terrains, and places that are questionable for this rig but it keeps on impressing me every time. Never visited a dealer lot or repair shop since day one. There are few things to fix and replace but, are simple and nothing major. The Arctic Fox line up 5th wheel, truck campers, and travel trailers are nicely built product but only a couple selected buyers and owners who truly appreciate the quality, finish, and durability of the rig. I say, go for it!
Now, in our six years anniversary on the road as a full-time RV dwellers, we are pushing the cash envelope a little as we are going to try to purchase our replacement rig which is a 2023 DRV FullHouse 5th wheel toy hauler to keep on our journey on the road.
Safe travels and happy trails!
Getting the flex armor on our arctic fox 25y in march
We originally looked at Arctic Foxes. But couldn’t find any near us to check out in person. Plus, there are features we are moving away from.
I agree they are solid rigs.
Good luck with your new rig if you get it. But never thought of a DRV going off road 😁
Alice
Ken,
That’s a serious upgrade. Not one we can afford 😁
Alice
Peter,
Arctic Fox is a great rig. Built solid. There are just some floorplan issues we can’t see work around. Plus, very hard to find one near us.
We have heard good and bad about MoRide - we don’t see affording it right now. Plus, is there a long wait?
Our solar system that Larry installed himself was about $10,000 - but we did that before he quit his high paying job.
Keep cash in reserve. Because of all we have gone through - especially Larry’s rare incurable neuro disorder - we are still prioritizing getting a homebase.
Just some thoughts,
Alice
Hi guys, love the reviews! I would really check out the RV that Chris and Aaron bought they are “Irene iron travels”. They also have a desk area couch and off grid constantly. and not to mention a washer and dryer hook up all for 33 feet.
Thanks for the suggestion but it’s the height we are trying to get away from. Not much clearance below. Bed in slide.
I’m glad it’s working for them. But it would be like buying another Solitude with all the same issues.
Alice
Get rid of that Automatic Transmission in that Truck U we Drop 10,000. LBS. Buddy 😂😂😂
Funny, the thing is massive! Larry
I know you are focused on a fifth wheel - but for a robust frame, a super C on a Freightliner chassis would be great! But...I get it!
I agree about the cabinet colors! And the awning not covering the entry is ridiculous. I haven found a good solution yet for that. The island in ours is too large. We all know these things are not designed by real RVers!
You might search JD Power (formerly NADA Guides) for older reviews of specific models you find in older years.
You both make really good points.
I would love to have a Super C. But Larry prefers a fifth wheel.
When a new floorplan is made into a prototype, the designers should have to travel in it for months. I bet the floorplan would change 😁
We definitely want to buy used. So the JD Power is a great tip. Thanks
Alice
Hi first huge fan!!! I watch all of your videos with my husband Rick. So for us the Brinkley toy hauler is on our short list, but you said the Brinkley is impractical. We would be buying our first RV and your opinion carries a lot of weight with me. So I need to understand why you think it’s impractical? Please elaborate if you have time. Thank you so much.
Hey Mrs. Rick 🤗
Brinkley is pricey because it’s “fancy” - we fell for that with the Solitude that is supposedly “luxury.” That’s what we meant.
We don’t need crown molding in an RV😁
Plus, the Brinkley company is very new - so how do we know how they will last?
We will always have time for the people that have time for us. 🤗
Alice
New 2024 Alliance PARADIGM 310RL
Most of bells and whistles
Mitch, appreciate the suggestion. Taller than what we want. Too close to the size we have now,
Alice
Going to miss my outdoor kitchen that’s on our cougar. Our new rv is going to be quality…..his it’s made from the ground up. Going Brinkley. Love your videos!
Hope you enjoy your Brinkley- it’s too big and too heavy for what we need
So it sounds like you want space, big refrigerator, comfy couch, good storage, roof with six solar panels.....so your next Rv needs to be the same size you have or bigger 😄.
Eric,
We have found smaller that have all the elements - but not often in the right place.
Alice
Keystone Family with Grand Designs U need to investigate u might the same Prblems as The solitude stay away I think y’a should stay clear from Grand Designs.
We have seen many problems with the Grand Designs
I think we got lucking when we bought our 2016 GD 27RL (last year they made them good) not to big not to small just right. and i notice GD was not on your list.
Rick,
We own a Grand Design Solitude- looking for something else,
Alice
I really like the Couger half tons..they are under 30 ft for that sweet campsite that your old Rig misses 😊 good luck ✌🏿🏕
Mark,
Unfortunately, we couldn’t find one that had most of our ins.
I wish we found a 30’. But we did find shorter, not as tall and not as wide 🤗
Alice
Don’t come knocking if the Schwintek is rocking
I found a Keystone fifth wheel that checked almost all the boxes we need, but I just can't get past the fact that it has floor vents, especially next to the toilet. No vents in the floor is the main reason we bought our Grand Design, but we now need to move up to a larger size and none of the Grand Design fifth wheels have the floor plan we need. I really wish Keystone would stop putting the heat vents in the floors. Good luck on your journey.
I totally get it. The vents and windows in the Grand Design is what sold me.
But we have different needs now.
I figure we can completely cover vents until we need them for heat.
Did you look at Brinkley? It’s not for us, but you may like them.
Next video will be about the smallest Brinkley - 33’
Alice
Did y’all ever find yourself a home base? …..Never mind,just watched the video lol
We wish we did. So o guess we will still be full timers for awhile 😁
Alice
From your lists to Elkhart board rooms!
We do months at a time also. Our 1/2 ton is too lightly built. Those are OUT for me.
I wish we had more say in the way RVs are designed and built,
Alice
I have a Keystone Cougar tt and it's been a great unit, but I've been eyeing the Rockwood fifth wheels.
Michael,
Many people have recommended Rockwell - we just couldn’t find a floorplan that could we customized for our wants,
Alice
I really love your channel. I am also really jealous of you two's relationship. You are blessed!
Awww. Thanks so much 🤗
Alice
We had a Keystone Cougar 5th wheel for 3 years and loved it. There was not one, single problem with that 5th wheel the whole time we had it. The only time it was back to the dealer was the first year to have them winterize and inspect it for us. The rest of the time we took care of it ourselves.
Janice,
That’s awesome. However, we didn’t go with the Cougar for a few reasons.
Check out our latest video 🤗
Alice
speeking of floor vents you folks are talking about a double wide many have floor vents mine has them in the middle of all floors
they really suck
That one of the reasons we wanted a single wide instead of a double wide, but now we will probably have a mini split in a barndo. Larry
You know, if you have a Motorhome (either class A or C) you can tow a pickup with a cover to carry your toys.
Peter,
Thanks. But Larry is set on another fifth wheel and keeping his dually,
Alice
19:26 Larry!!!! 🤣
Don’t encourage him, Jonny 😖😆
Check out outdoors rv made in Oregon all those other rvs are made with the same frame they bend and brake they are all cheap made with a hefty price tag
Thanks. We looked.
Alice
We’re all different, you two just make cents.
Funny, thanks, unfortunately my brain does not make sense these days but Alice is very accommodating to my changes from my illness. Larry
Look at an Outdoor RV....made in Oregon. Could mert all your needs
Gregory,
Appreciate the suggestion, but we looked at all makes and models.
This was the best compromise,
Alice
Now we know why the frame bent,Larry you got too many toys 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
🤣 You are so right. Thanks for the laugh,
Alice
Hey guys, absolutely love your rv considerations. We had a Northwood Fox Mtn 235 RLS 5th wheel and we loved it. I believe it will check many of your boxes. Northwood is a midsized privately owned RV manufacture in La Grande, OR. They fab their own frames, are all season (La Grande gets cold), under 30’, 3,200# cc, no island, windows open trailer. Northwood also builds the Outdoors RV line. The only big negative is I’m not sure if the slide is a blocker. That said I really suggest you take a look. Oh, and there are a few used ones out there.
Rick,
Appreciate the suggestion. We looked and either couch is on “ wrong side” and or it has a bed in a slide. We are willing to compromise on a lot of other things, but those are biggies.
Maybe I’m missing one? Not tall - under 13’. Not long - under 33’
Alice
Alice. Our Fox Mtn 235 had couch along the rear wall and no bedroom slide. Under 30 ft long and under 13 ft high. Unfortunately the kitchen is on camping side.
Ordered Larry’s window wedge today. :)
All the best to you and Larry.
@@rickburkhalter5448Awesome. Thanks for the support on the window wedge.
If you use Facebook or Instagram, I would love to see a picture of it in your rig and tag us 🤗
Alice
Have you considered the Lance 2465
Daniel,
No. Because it isn’t a fifth wheel. And it has more of what we don’t want than what we want.
We wish Lance made fifth wheels now,
Alice
Many of your ins and outs match ours. My issue with 1/2 tons is ccc is smaller and wheels/tires are 15". I recommend 16" at least for the travel you do. Suspension, I have Morryde full independent suspension and no suspension issues related to brackets and equalizers. They also raised the 5th wheel up when it was installed, so I recommend that to resolve Larry's suspension issues.Thanks for the ideas. We head to our local RV show next week.
How do you like the moryde, that would be an obvious choice for us but not really in our budget, as it would add about 10k to the price. But you are right about wheel size, i want as big as possible, at least 16 inch bettter travel and higher clearance than the 15s, it should have been on my in list. Larry
@DownsizingMakesCents I love the Morryde full independent suspension. I know it costs a lot, but for me it's worth it. Every summer we spend 3-4 weeks from CA to our club annual rally - so lots of miles in a few days. It resolved the chucking problem we had (I also have the Morryde rubber pin box). The before and after was so noticeably better. With all your miles over your 6 months on the road, I highly recommend it. I did not go for the disc brakes. Because the suspension has more up and down movement, they had to raise my trailer to accommodate the increased suspension travel. We have a 2013 Laredo 5th wheel about 32 ft and we just keep maintaining it. So every winter it goes to the shop and all the lube spots on the Morryde get lubed - no service issues on it. All the best for your in your search.
@@seagullm6stringGlad your MorRyde is working for you and you can get regular maintenance.
That’s one of the things I’d like to be able to do when we get a homebase.
Keep enjoying your rig. And stay tuned to see what we buy 😉
Alice
Sounds like you need a toy hauler/office option.
We mostly back into sites in state and national parks.
We only need a small Section for his updesk.
Appreciate the suggestion,
Alice
Have you considered a small toy hauler? Ready .ade work area.
Thanks - we mostly back into sites and don’t need that much room for his updesk,
Alice
If you want one that doesn’t fall apart buy the brinkley
David,
It’s a new company that still needs to be tested.
The price is much like our GD Solitude- paying for more because it’s pretty.
Maybe in a couple years, when we see how they last? And can buy used
Alice
@@DownsizingMakesCents you should check out the frames and suspension on the brinkley. They are the only manufacturer that oversizes their frames and add summo springs. In addition they plump. Everything like a house unlike others who use wrong pex fittings and inevitably have leaks. Grand design is a prime example of cheaping on frames . They have hendreds of broken frames because of frame flex.
@@davidnoyes3373Our expert welder / custom frame builder company said that Sumo caused our bent frame?
Do your research on Keystone floors and how they are failing.
Mike,
Thanks. Every brand has issues. Have you seen our video about everything that broke on our “luxury” Grand Design Solitude?
Alice
We’re in a 20’ class C. I gave up kitchen (particularly counters) space. We spend 6 months south in the winter and I would never do such a small kitchen again.
Shelley,
I am worried about going to a smaller kitchen. But I don’t think anything we pick will be as small as you did. I know people do it. It’s just not right for us.
Did you buy a different rig?
Alice
We had a truck camper before, which was also too small, but we eat whole food, plant based and that takes a lot of fridge space and lots of chopping. I set up tv trays to give me more “counter” space.
@@shelleyclarke9325Our issue is Larry needs freezer space for his gluten free bread. And panty for other sometimes hard to get gluten free bars.
Good luck,
Alice
Pick Wyoming we would love to have you
We visited Wyoming and absolutely loved it 🤗
Alice
I'm hearing you each need your own RV.
Michele,
That wouldn’t be downsizing 😁
After 40 years together, we have learned to compromise. New video this Sunday about the rig we decided on,
Alice
Rockwood makes a 30ft. Travel trailer. Also artic fox fifthwheel. But please ask around and check into the keystone products. I've always loved keystone floor plans but I also know that keystone is notorious for leaking and delamination. So please check into that and let me know if you've found out things have changed. Best of luck to y'all. Looking forward to the next video
We are only looking at fifth wheels. And the Arctic Foxes are hard to find around here and most are very tall - we are trying to get away from tall
Not just Keystone with leaks - we have tons.
And GDs have been delaminating too
Thanks for the tips, though.
Alice
Your partner!! Lol😂😂😂
Which one? 🤔
Alice
watch out for keystone new products many slide and plumbing issues on there newer product line
Allan, we have those issues with our GD.
But thanks for the warning. We hope to buy used,
Alice
@@DownsizingMakesCents have found that most r v s have issues you will find your best fit
We had travel trailers for years, but I wanted a fifth wheel. Took nearly 4 years, and multiple rejections from my wife, but I found the Alliance Avenue 30RLS, which finally checked the boxes (mostly hers), but it does have a nice nap couch. It is 33' ish, 10K lbs +-, and I tow it easily with a 2500hd 4wheel drive, using a Curt Crosswing Hitch (20k capacity, 65# & removable, with hitching capabilities at odd angles ++!). Good Luck in your journey.
Larry,
The only one we consider from Alliance is the 29RK. Issues? Very little storage in bedroom and it has a kitchen island. We need to see it in person.
Thanks,
Alice
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Thanks. Too big
Good luck in your search. I say go with that Class C. Much easier. lol Really get what you like and makes you happy. I would say go for the home base first. Hope you had fun at the show and everything is going well for y'all. I still say a home base here in TN is what you really need. Then just RV in FL and pay much less overall. lol Later y'all
William, it all depends what we find first - RV or land.
Gainesville has to be our homebase though we loved Tennessee. You guys got lucky with your slice of paradise,
Alice
I’m with Alice her likes and dislikes!
Kim,
One vote for me 😉
Alice
We have a 2022 Cougar SGS.
Storage: fair
Table: awful. I replaced it with a narrow table so you face the window when you eat (let me know if you'd like a picture)
Build quality: could be better but I couldn't afford a more expensive 5er.
Bed: we replaced the short queen with a 60x80 and it fits fine. Might need to upgrade the struts but we haven't yet
Bathroom: sink clearance for brushing teeth stinks but I think they fixed that in the newer models. Towel storage is small and hard to reach
Keystone: we bought a model with 200W panel and planned to add the solar "stuff" from our last rig. Keystone was VERY uncooperative. They would not provide a roof plan (the manufacturer of our last rig did) and they would not help us when I had questions about putting in another solar port on the roof. Boo hiss Keystone. We did it all anyway.
Can't beat the dual slides in the living area. Easy to tow. Overall grade: B-
Glenda,
We actually are returning to that model - TV and couch placement ruled it out. But we are thinking how to move that all around - customize
Sorry to hear about solar issues. Larry installed our system himself and will transfer it himself. Hopefully Weill get more cooperation if we need it.
Thank you for such a detailed review. We really appreciate it,
Alice
Good luck. Our last 3 was from 24 to 30 to 35. Wildcat, Arctic Fox, Solitude. The Arctic Fox was the 27-5L, Very Nice. We have the 2930 S class Solitude now, Love it. And all of your wants is VERY IMPORTANT. Holding tanks was my biggest challenge. You guys know what you want, and the bathroom and access to the bathroom and refrigerator is a dealbreaker. GOOD LUCK. And, how much does he pay you to say with him hehehe
Tim,
I actually liked a lot about the S Class. But we already had the Solitude
And to answer your question? He doesn’t pay me enough 😉
Alice
I was looking at the Cougar 27SGS a couple days ago there was actually 2 on the lot I looked at, but the better of the 2 sold last month un fortunately i was informed that the couple that bought the RV got it to Canada and filed a warranty claim for frame failure(dreaded FRAME FLEX) and the one I was looking at the other day has some serious issues possibly frame failure as well all signs point that direction plus other issues caused by lot rot. How ever they are a very nice unit in my opinion. So just be careful and get a pre purchase (POST DEALER PDI) inspection. Great video by the way I am new to your channel and enjoy your videos. God bless and be safe.
Anthony,
Glad you found us 🤗
This will be our fourth RV. And Larry does a thorough inspection and pays for N independent inspection. Good point.
Frame flex seems to be happening across manufacturers- perhaps because most frames are Lippert?
Alice
I get what you're saying Larry. Your still a kicking, but your not "Down Sizing". Get rid of some hobbies. If you want to wind whatever, rent it. I'm sure there's someone in the area.
I hate to say this but what if you have a relapse. I have MS and my wife does all the pulling of our 34' FW. I still get to back in, but my legs can't take the hours. She's a farm girl and feels comfortable. Maybe a "C" isn't such a bad idea. Sell the dually and pull a jeep.
Sorry to read about your situation.
However, we have downsized quite a bit from our 2,600 square foot house on almost two acres, with a large pool, skateboard ramps, RC car tract, a boat, etc
We get it. But “living” for Larry means having his toys available- not spending money renting and or hoping there are places that rent.
Rent a mountain bike? He custome built the one he has.
I appreciate your viewpoint,
Alice
I can tell you few key points why we love our Alliance 310rl...Access to Fridge, Bathroom and Bedroom, flush floor slides, lighter wood, 101" wide body, plenty of storage, and for Larry, spare under the rig.
We looked at Alliances but didn’t find the floorplan for us,
Alice
I know that you have mentioned that you have liked some factory reps and others not so much. My question is, why does that matter? My guess is that you are NOT able to buy direct from a Keystone RV or KZ RV anyhow. ??? I do agree that if you really want to downsize that a 30 foot or less is the only way to go!! Sorry Larry, but there is NO WAY that you would be able to tell the difference between a 32' 6" or a 36'.....when hooked up to the truck and you sitting in the driver's seat. Take it from me, I've been there. Check out Rockwood.!!!
The KZ rep was annoyed we questioned their “code” - why can’t we have windows open in kitchen? What happens when we need real help. These aren’t sales people.
No, went notice length while towing, but the longer you are, the fewer sites are available at state, national, city, county campgrounds
Alice
You made some very good points.
We cant help much because we are hunting the perfect toy hauler (Larry toys are a must...I agree...maybe not wifey)
Communication & compromise are the se rets to a successful purchase & marriage.
Our manufacturers that we like are Forest River, Alliance, Brinkley, keystone & maybe Grand Design.
There worth a look
Cheers 🍺
Thanks rob, I think working on a good marriage is the most important job we have. We are trying to accommodate each others ins and outs in the rv choice but it is hard. Larry
High off the ground but not too tall? We would never purchase a 5th Wheel with the kitchen on a slide. Too much weight hanging past the frame. Just spent $3500.00 to fix kitchen slide (poor design) not recommended. Best of luck. Love your channel
Larry,
The KZ actual does have high clearance but not tall - but that means less storage. Which we were willing to deal with. But the windows? Nope.
We have had a kitchen slide for 4 years - moved on average once a week. No issues. Maybe we got lucky?
Alice
You need a toy hauler so there is a room dedicated to your work. Storage also with the height. It would have a nap bed above your work. Using a happy jack bed lift. You’re gonna need a dually truck so it can haul this 34’. It will have a big roof and full size appliances. When my slide is in I can thru the whole length. Spare tire stored underneath. No heat vents on floor. No island. Only 11’2” tall. I gave up my wish of 27’ to 29’. Had to buy another camper in a week before a scheduled trip. Ended up with 17’ Forest River Hyperlite XLR. Same floor plan still in newer.
I think i would like to try a toy hauler someday, but there are very few in the size we are looking at around 30 feet. Larry
I would not rule out an RV if you wanted different windows (ones that open). You can replace windows with ones that open using a mobile tech or possibly yourself. The Arcadia has some nice unique features with how they run their utilities up the center …. We have an S-2930RL - I have seen several used ones up for sale that look virtually brand new. Essentially like your current camper but a little shorter without the dreaded bed slide. Also has electric slides/jacks instead of hydraulic and a beefy frame with excellent cargo capacity. The Influence 2939RL is similar but without the drop frame. For you if you did get a 2930RL used you could add MorRyde independent suspension and end the frame concerns …
Mark,
We went through every Keystone make.
Because of size and other floorplan issues, we are looking at Cougars. Ones we can customize.
We thought about replacing windows - that’s a major customization. If we bought used and researched the exact size we need, maybe that would work.
But the KZ with the bad windows really were ALL the windows. Do we want to replace every single window? We would rather take on a smaller customization
Thanks for all the great info and suggestions,
Alice
We have an Arcadia 3250 closet slide in bedroom couldn't get a bigger mattress because of the slide. Not enough storage, built a 4' sliding drawer under dinette also counter space by kitchen sink built a counter extender flip up with the cutting board that went on the sink. Bathroom does have a little sink but good size shower.
The height of the unit is 13'4" anything lower than that cuts height down inside of bedroom. Happy rv hunting.
Mike,
We will have to customize anything we get like you had to. Didn’t see any Arcadia’s fit for us. There are a few Cougars that might work,
Alice
Alice, I think the Rockwood 301RK is a great choice that meets your needs. ( and the kitchen windows open! ) I sold Rockwood trailers for quite a few years and I would say that it is one of the top 3 brands for quality of construction. Flagstaff makes a duplicate of this model in their line up also. Also, let Larry know that a 2 - 3 inch lift ( like on the KZ ) could be added to the frame if needed.
Appreciate the suggestions but couldn’t find floorplan for us.
I’ll tell Larry about the lift - I’m sure Texas Trailers that fixed our bumper, installed new leaf springs and looked at our broken frame could do almost anything,
Alice
I am pretty sure that you should listen to your own advice. "Downsizing makes cents" is great advice. Smaller is better.
We are all about having a smaller life, less stuff, less stress but more experiences. I would have taken less junk more journey but it was already taken, haha, Larry
@DownsizingMakesCents well to be fair ours is too small right now. A 16-foot bunkhouse does not leave room for a living room. I think we need a couple more feet and a slide. But more weight might mean more truck. We only go out for 2 or 3 weeks at a time, so we dont need much bigger. We're heading south tomorrow.
@@wmason1961hope you find a rig that fits your travel. 🤗
Alice
@DownsizingMakesCents we just got back from our winter trip. About an hour ago. 3400 miles in 16 days. Most stops were 2 or 3 days. We learned a lot. Our little rig is quite comfortable for the two of us and our little dogs on the road exploring.This trip may have actually saved us a small fortune. I think the travel trailer will do just fine for us for a few weeks at a time, so for now, we have no plans to change anything. Our little camper proved itself quite well.
I would not buy a keystone of any kind.
Frank,
Please elaborate,
Alice
Answer: you both won (or lost). Sounds like you're going to make another spreadsheet...for your ins and outs😂. More of that 40-year compromisin' needs to happen, then match that refined list with the RV that comes closest.
Raol,
We are working on it. And still looking at land - more compromising there 😉
Alice
I have narrowed our search down to the Alliance Avenue All Access 29RL. I want the rear living area in a short/lighter fifth wheel with a north/south bed and no bedroom slide. Upgrading from a 31’ travel trailer toy hauler.
Marge,
We are looking at that one. We worry about the lack of storage in bedroom for clothes. If we continue to travel full time or for 6 months at a time, that’s an issue
Alice
I find many of your must have & have not to be true, especially the comment about rain on the bedroom slide roof, I installed carpet padding and some shiplap on the ceiling and back wall. It's much quieter now.
Good luck finding an RV without floor vents 98% have them even the expensive units, Most RV's have removed the skylights in the main area making them darker, some even removed the power vents, losing a vent source is not a good idea.
We agree the single door fridge is too small but going to a double door residential is just too much space in a RV, removing the island would give you a lot of room but then you lose valuable storage and a big sink.
You are correct about the windows, any dual pane and they just don't open enough need that cross ventilation.
Access to the fridge, bathroom, bedroom without opening any slide is the only RV we will ever buy.
Going smaller means losing a lot of overall storage and cargo capacity, We agree about the bedroom but smaller means less clothes,
rooftop real estate is obviously going to be limited for solar panels as well as the front storage being smaller and a much lower basement area. toys just won't fit. Best of luck to you
Thank you so much for taking the time to share your thoughts. You obviously know what you are taking about.
Going smaller means fitting in more places - state and national are so hard to get, opening up more available sites is a must.
The floor vents, fridge, storage, all that we agree we need to adjust. We will downsize.
We will definitely get a homebase - just not sure when. So why buy another large rig when it could be a year or months when we own land.
As we continue to research, we are deciding on the priorities in the rig.
If only manufacturers made a prototype of a new floorplan and made them live and travel in it for months. I bet the floorplan would be tweaked then instead waiting for customers to tell them what’s wrong
Thanks again. Well thought out comment,
Alice
Good luck with the search. We’ve got our fingers crossed for you. What about a toy hauler?👍🏼😎
Rick, I like your wife’s comment better 😉
Alice
Paint the cabinets White done
If we bought used, maybe
Ok you guys I just finished watching this episode and yes it’s hard to find the perfect rv, so the conclusion to us has been the perfect rv for us was the Cougar 32RLI because all windows slide open for that cross ventilation this also includes the bedroom windows plus this Rv came with two ac-fireplace for those chilly days or nights. The only thing is that the slides the living and kitchen makes it hard if we park by we leaned that if we just slide the out about foot out on each side it ok, we also have easy access to the bathroom in case of a emergency poop lol on the road. Plus we haven’t had any any issues with the rv and also my wife loves it. And you know what they say happy wife happy camping. Oh yes here is a tip for the awning we have the slip awning by the steps and this was my solution get some Velcro around the gap on each awning and put a small piece of black tarp and this will keep you from getting wet around the steps.
We love you guys videos and stories. Good luck on your new RV see you around about…
Cosmo,
Thanks so much. Looks like you have learned to compromise and customize 😉
Only Cougar for us might be a 29RL - though still issues of course.
Again, thank you for watching and great info in your comment,
Alice
I think you guys are looking for the Tardis for an RV, LOL 😄Big rig features, but in a small rig.
Exactly 😆
Actually, we are drawing up our own floorplan. We have most of what we mentioned in our 35’. Now we are looking at 32’ or 33’. Wanting a smaller bedroom. So, why not?
Alice
What about having/not having a washer and dryer? It looks like some of the RVs you're interested in aren't prepped for one. That was one of my ins. I know you'll find the right one.
Washer/dryer is not at all important to us, we have always found somewhere close by to do laundry, and can do everything in about two hours at a laundromat. When we can have 4 high capacity washers going at once, a dishwasher is more important to us. Larry
There's "no camping", posted, in most rest areas. In my book, if your slides are out you are camping. Not how I want to meet law enforcement. 😉
Chris,
That’s definitely ones of those areas people feel strongly about.
We have never put our slides out at a rest stop or store parking lot
That’s why RVs where the slide in blocks the bathroom and bedroom seem so illogical,
Alice
A lot of your needs/likes match ours. We’ve been wanting to upgrade to a 30’ 5th wheel. The more we look, the more I want a super C.
I know what you mean. 🤗
Alice
I thought I needed my wife to enjoy the RV life but she didn't want it, so I gave her up. Just kidding. It's all a personal taste and whatever y'all decide I think you will enjoy it.
Henry,
Appreciate the 🤭
Alice
we are not full timers although we now go more often b/c i retired a year ago. we went through 3 campers before we found the perfect one for us and our 4 boston terriers. we now have a 2021 rockwood 2608bs. it checked all the boxes except i had to compromise a shower with a seat for a round shower. it is 30feet , well built and with 2 slide outs it feels very roomy. the best thing i love is the front kitchen with the front large window. good luck with your next camper. God bless
I haven’t looked at the rockwoods well, i will look at them today to see if there is something that checks all of our boxes. Larry
My husband wants you add one to the Cart when you find the RV you are describing. I think you are describing a 5 bedroom, four car garage on Wheels😂
Crazy Crazy list, No downsizing on this Video At All! ! !
Janie,
There are many rigs that are 40’ plus foot
Not sure why ours is unrealistic? We showed specific floor plans that work. Talked about a smaller bedroom than what we have?
We specifically showed how any of these rigs would be downsizing what we have?
Sorry that there was a miscommunication somewhere 🤔
Alice
I have a Montana High Country 310RL and have pulled from eastern Canada to Alaska with minimal issues. We love it.
That’s awesome to hear. We are leaning towards a Keystone,
Alice
Windows open wide is nice but you’re going to be dusting a lot more
When you are dry camping or boondocking, I’d rather have to dust then be 100 degrees in RV 😁
@@DownsizingMakesCents very true
When we downsize next year from our 40 ft 5th wheel, we’re going with a Super C. Setup and breakdown is a lot easier than a 5th wheel.
Bruce,
Larry prefers a fifth wheel and loves his dually.
Either set up, there’s hitching and unhitching - at least that’s what Larry told me when I said I wanted a Class C 😁
Good luck,
Alice
we have a grand design 337 2019 it a good rig but i want to be able to get to plumbing and electric sys a little easier we are looking to repl,ace our rig in about a year aliance and columbus are both in the runing with there 34 to 37 foot fith wheels happy hunting for your next rig safe travels
Allan,
Larry looks at access, too.
Good luck with your hunt as well,
Alice
good luck in your choice and finding what fits your needs best. From looking at your list it seems very heavily slanted towards Keystone. I will say that both Alliance and Brinkley both seem to be better made than GD. My wife bought a Brinkley so I am a little biased, our needs and desires were different than yours, i had been leaning towards Alliance, but I also had a Riverstone which was awesome, i regret selling, but the Brinkley is as well made or better. I also have 3D printers , in our basement at home and I cant imagine travelling with them in a small rig so more power to you! I very much agree with what you said about refrigerators, but our beast has a full size unit. good luck will be looking forward to see what you go with! I also think having the larger truck towing the smaller rig is probably just safer! looking forward to future videos
Alliance is pretty much a kissing cousin of GD - many used to work for GD.
The Brinkley is nice but too young a company to know their tract record. Plus pricey for us.
We are still looking. Will it be land for homebase first or RV? Who knows.
Thanks so much. Whatever we pick, we have a lot of mods to deal with 😁
Alice
Dady & Children
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If a 4 season rig is a priority, I can’t imagine any half ton towable will come close to fitting that bill. They are way too light to have proper insulation to keep the hot and cold out/in like your Solitude does.
Thats a good point, but for us, we try to avoid Really cold temps, some winter days in florida get into the 20s but that is pretty rare. All of our winters have been in florida and probably always will. Im still in with solitude but Alice wants lighter and smaller. Larry
I remember when Larry got sick, in one of the videos Alice was concerned about being the driver of the rig. Alice are you comfortable driving this type of rig and threading a needle with it? It’s a concern that we are discussing in our rig hunt.
Rick,
Short answer? No. I wanted a Class C
But we are members of the Motor Coach which will help you get your rig “home” if need be.
If Larry were so sick he couldn’t tow? Even if I “could” I would be too upset.
Alice
We have had a Cougar 29rli 5th wheel for 2 years and love it. We will be going full time in it in August. Since we purchased ours, Keystone has made some necessary changes... they redid the wardrobe configuration and they reduced the profile of the medicine cabinet in the bathroom. We have made these exact improvements ourselves. One other thing that we want to do is to change out the double bowl kitchen sink for a larger single bowl. All in all we are very happy with our rig. We've been to several RV shows, including Tampa and Hershey, since we bought ours and we still feel that we for the best unit for us!
Susan,
That’s great to read. But I am worried about full time or 6 months in it with such a small fridge 😳
Plus, I was looking forward to having more sites available if we got a 30’ or less rig. But it just doesn’t look like that size is out there for us.
Good luck on the full time. And thanks for sharing your experience with us,
Alice
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Love your videos, your list is great and very similar to my excel. What about Washer and Dryer. I know in the size you are looking at it is rare but as full time people how do you feel about that on a in or out list?
Keith,
Thank you so much. We are getting some flak for our list. Thanks for “getting it”
We haven’t had one for 4 years 😁
We didn’t even consider it.
We also are giving up a dishwasher.
We rarely have full hookup so both of these would we difficult
Plus, we are trying to cut down on weight as well as size.
I know some full timers have them. We just use the ones in the neighborhood. Or often, there are ones in the state and national campgrounds we have stayed at.
Alice
Keystone Acadia 246SLRK, FR Cardinal RK
Too big
Look at toy hauler
I think i would love a toy hauler, but they dont make good small ones. Larry
Right No Room on the couch
Larry needs his nap couch
Fun to be able to start over when you already have experience. Where do washer, dryer, and dishwasher rank on y’all’s wish list?
Barb,
We have a dishwasher, but I can live without.
And a washer and dryer would just be too heavy and take up a lot of room.
It’s rare for us to be on full hookups so these didn’t make our list
Great question. We forgot about them because none of the plans we looked at had them 😁
Alice
You made some very good points. That’s because you lived in it. Most people look at the beauty of it and not practicality of it. If I may mention two things. Corian counter tops a must. Also keep an eye on the plumbing. All of them are not done right. They use the wrong tubing clamps and mix match them. Bad news. Stay away from slides with cables. OMG. It’s the worst ever. You got this Larry. Ps. Are you forced out of your Rv by a certain time by the insurance company. I hope they are giving you time See you on the next video
Michel,
Great tips. We have already found the plumbing issues in our GD.
We are lucky that we were given time.
Still looking for land. Who knows what will come first.
Thanks for keeping up with us 🤗
Alice