Jimmy Butler shouldn't surprise anybody. A lot of the other guys that would normally be thought of lack the defense and playmaking. Jimmy Butler is a very underrated playmaker.
@@thuggwaffle8825when lebron actually tries he's a great defender tbh i wouldn't be putting effort into defense either being 40 years old i'll pick & choose when to try 😂
@@thinkinginsideout4053in those finals he was basically lebron without help. Bro had how two best team mates out for half the series while he was dropping 40 point triple doubles just to get a win
I think it's funny that Jimmy played like LeBron for that series and the most famous image was him leaning over in exhaustion doing something that Lebron has done basically every playoff series every year. Shows how special Lebron is
I spent 30+ years as a multi-discipline analyst. This is precisely the kind of analysis I would've gotten paid for. Excellent work. For reference, I expected Jokic and Giannis to come out on top. Didn't see Butler coming, but it makes complete sense now that I think of it. He's LeBron if LeBron never wanted to be a point guard, or if he were slightly smaller and less inclined to punish guys down low.
I had the same thoughts as you. I was also incredibly surprised that Westbrook Only scored 11 I had at least xpcted him to be in the top 5. Gianni's, Jokic, Luka, Butler and Westbrook were my top 5 in that order.
So basicaly Kawhi ressemble Jordan too much too ressemble LeBron, but Jimmy ressemble more LeBron than he ressemble Jordan after all LeBron ressemble more Jordan than Jimmy ressemble Jordan everythind seems allright
Jimmy Butler being top 3 in similarity to both Bron and MJ makes his career, idk kind of a bummer? Likes he’s either a Lebron that never put it all together, or an MJ that never got the support from the team he needed. Either way, we love Jimmy Buckets, he’s rad
He just peaked late. I always wondered if he had a better upbringing and didn’t go to Juco and was chronicled since high school he would have been way better. But jimmy even said he didn’t know he would even make to the NBA. Also remember thibs never really played him until all the injuries. Jimmy special men.
It must be such a cosmic slap in the face that you have Lebron’s physical dna as your father but only end up Bronny’s height. It’s like having a 20 in blackjack but still losing to the dealer
I'm a freshman major in Data Science and this research perfectly shows the power (and coolness) of using raw data to explain the world around us. However, one thing I noted in the video is how you used players' career stats, instead of just a portion of it. For example, in a statistic like dominance, a player who is currently at their peak (like jokic) will finish far higher than a player that is now considered washed (like westrbook). Different stages of a player's career does impact the way they play, Lebron being a great example of that. To be honest, I don't know how you could overcome this aspect while using data from only current NBA players, so maybe your experiment was the the most accurate assessment possible. Thank you for another amazing watch!
This isnt an experiment and nothing is ever the most accurate assessment possible. I'd also say the goal here is to provide insight, not explain the world. There's too many confounding factors to draw any causal conclusions. For example, lebron surrounds himself with shooters every season, so his passing numbers are way inflated compared to players who don't have that luxury
Not that I disagree with much of your comment, but being a freshman Data Science major does not give you an ounce of credibility in statistics or data analytics 😭
since lebron james is pretty much the player with the longest career. you can just compare however many years a player has played for with lebron's performance during the same period of his career.
Just wanted to vouch Jimmy Butler. Because during the Bubble Finals and the 2023 Finals, it was his "Lebron" playstyle that brought them to the finals. But he came short with the athleticism and the strength to dominate inside.
I'm not sure though he's pretty close sure but the problem with High roller is gets to focused on stats and treats the NBA as a video game not real-life, data sheets don't play a part of outcomes in real life through a series of yes and no rng stat generators, next week the worst player in the NBA could drop 300 and a penta double or luka could chose he never wants to hit 3's again or Labron becomes a UFC fighter or a man with down syndrome could become the new goat, humans exist in real life where there are no rng codes that generate outcomes but merely by straight no rules physics and biology where if it's possible it will happen eventually given enough time and space. Labron James is nearly the perfect player he's the real NBA robot but has a few flaws; like being the main charter of the show but rarely being the main charter of the season, being a mixed team player, getting everything handed to him by the front, he plays for outcomes not sport and playing white collar basketball. Jimmy Butler has been the most misused NBA goat maybe ever the front everywhere he goes the front all but on paper actively prevents him from winning, he's skinny not wide or dense ( I mean just compare their head thinness to get an idea how much smaller jimmy is to Labron I mean luka is closer in size Labron) so he's a small scraper player not small mountain player, he plays blue collar basketball, he plays for sport not outcome and is never the main charter even though he's a goat. If anything, Ben Simions or Zion or ja Morant or another bust with bad stats drafted first round is the closest to Labron if not a guy like Sabonis when he hits his prime or Jokic if he try's. High roller just avoids context and facts to make a narrative out of data sheets, Labron's current closet doesn't have to be a successful American black man, Shaq's was Greg oden till a few years ago, let alone claim it's the real modern Jordan because of stats with no context and he doesn't want to admit it was a bad question. High roller always asks the wrong questions and gets bad results, if the answer sounds wrong it's because you are and asked the wrong question, yet he stands on the hill and gets proven wrong all the time, if Jeff Bazos can admit he makes bad questions and get off the hill then high roller surely can.
@@Evan-i4e The main thing is that stats are completely unbiased and 100% objective. What else are you supposed to use? Data and statistics are the best way to answer these types of odd, but fun, questions.
@tdaniels151 because he specifically made a point about these "younger guys" like Senguen and Banchero but Scottie just didn't get mentioned LOL, ain't that deep just found it funny
The only important metric that I would've liked to have seen integrated into this is something involving playoff performance. Maybe comparing regular season stats versus playoff stats in a simple ration manner to see players who raised their game the same amount as him. It might have made things even closer for Butler, although I think he probably raises his game more than James, just because James probably beats him more during the regular season. Incorporating a "playoff clutch" stat or even "Finals Clutch" stat, would probably helped guys like Butler and Leonard (back when he played playoff games) and hurt guys like Paul and Harden. Some clutch or playoff metrics would've made things even more interesting, but I have to say you did an amazing job as always, and I really appreciate you putting in the work like you always do.
It really makes sense when you think about it , Jimmy is the only player to drag a heat team to the finals two different times when they had no business being in the finals . Jimmy willed them to the finals . Crazy
@@Pimping9167Either you're trolling or you've only been watching basketball for the past 3 years. LeBron literally willed his teams to the finals in his first Cavs run and when Kyrie left for his second run there
I have 3 players in my head - Butler, Siakam, and Paolo. But if you've seen the 2 Finals Butler had, he is indeed the most similar to Bron. He's just not as healthy and consistent. But playoff Jimmy is indeed the closest to LeBron
I've always laughed at ppl who said Zion and Ben were similar to LeBron. It felt good seeing Giannis finish at 2. I've always thought he and Luka had the strongest resemblance to Bron. In fact, I think if you combined the players you would get a lightskin LeBron 😂
@@thinkinginsideout4053he's similar to both MJ and LeBron according to Jimmy; which makes sense since they all fit in the same archetype (Kobe, D-Wade, MJ, Butler & LeBron; maybe even Durant)
Zion + Luka might just be the best combination of players to produce Lebron. Zion is the Athletic post dominant side and Luka is the more IQ playmaker/scorer side
@@SeradjLarfi I’m sorry but I totally disagree while Zion CAN be an unstoppable force, he is reckless and lacks the control and finesse LeBron has. Giannis on the other hand is very dominant without sacrificing as much in those areas.
@@dantesmith9153 I agree, I actually think Jimmy missed an important factor in his final calculation. From what he said, it sounded like he just took the average of each category score as the similarity score. This is, in my opinion, a flawed approach. The way to calculate the final similarity score should be to take the difference from Lebron in each category (100 - the percentages he showed), and square them. Then add these together for each player, and the player with the lowest total is the most similar to Lebron. The reason for doing this, is that it puts more emphasis on being similar to Lebron in all categories. This would prevent let's say a hypothetical Nate Robinson type player from having the highest similarity score to Lebron because the height category difference squared would become way bigger, and you would get the more accurate end result of players like Jimmy Butler and Paul George rising to the top of the list.
Best believe that killer instinct helped increase the ring count. Also, this only shows(flawed or not) how close players are to Lebron, not who the best ever is.
This is an incredible analysis. My first thought would’ve been Banchero but Jimmy truly is SPOT ON. They are so so similar with a mix of playmaking, defense, playoff takeover and leadership. Similar 3 point too
Lebron isn't known for changing the game. After the video, however, I realized that he might've changed how the best players are impacting the game more than we thought. "Combo guards" are posting up and cutting more, big wings are trying to plamake more, bigs are trying to be a offense hub. Steph change how teams play. Lebron might change how the best ones play.
''isn't known'' yes by the casuals he isn't known .... Durant wasn't a playmaker but he gradually improved his passing , Butler too , Kawhi too , George too , Tatum too .....
Yea. I tend to say he’s made the league a lot more positionless. PF and SG and is going extinct. Seems to be a bigger emphasis on shot efficiency as well.
The NBA is all a simulation, its actually gone full circle. So youre telling me, NOT ONLY is Jimmy Butler considered as "Michael Jordan's lost son" but he is now also the closest/most similar player to Lebron James, who is without a doubt THE player to be compared to Michael Jordan in terms of GOAT status. It has actually gone full circle. Wtf.
I doved this video !!! As a data scientist/engineer, and someone who discovered NBA in Novembre 2019, who saw each team play this season and fell in love with miami heat playstyle that particular year, who was looking at jimmy's scores at each end of your ranking categories, I must admit that statistics can still amaze me, in a good way !!
Scottie Barnes will be someone who will remind people of him. he has the same point forward play style that can run an offence with the ball in his hands as well as having the versatility that Lebron has to have a quality shot from 3 levels. Give him some time to be the first option for the raptors and you’ll see it in the future
The moment the raps build some chemistry and make a playoff run people are gonna know. I keep seeing people saying shit like Paolo has a better offensive game than Scottie and all that. I sometimes wonder if a lot of people with all these opinions even watch basketball... just watching your team ain't it.
your video quality in terms of editing and animation has absolutely sky rocketed from the last video. As a long time fan, I am so impressed you could have such a quick turnaround
Bro, you should definitely think about having a spanish channel with translation, you're the goat of this and I've seen a lot of spanish/latin guys trying to make this content in Spanish but they don't come close at all. And trust me, there's a lot of spanish fans
I was gonna say… did he just miss him right under Cade? I’d be interested to see what this list looks like in a few years with more data on the young guys in that range. Scottie is gonna be the next with the Lebron 25-8-8 type stat line
Well the point of the video was to use the stats, and Scottie scored 19th overall. So not really relevant to this conversation although he can become more relevant as he hits his prime
Tbh I manually redid the attributes tendencies and badges of the entire league and it's the most fun I've ever had playing 2k period. U can legit get them to animate and play how the players do
Scottie just turning 23 and being a 19th comp bodes well. Nobody watches the Raptors, so they don't know. But the numbers seem to have him as a top 10 under 25 already and a top 25-30 in the league overall. Y'all will see. This is his floor, conservatively.
@@xavierb9061calling wemby worst star on teams is insane cope, if u were to count only last season, he’s alr a an all star calibre player and a lock in for DPOY, how Tf u call a rookie who’s an all star and a DPOY candidate the worst #1, his already better than most all stars we’ve seen now imagine what will happen once he gets used to the league, such a bad take wish jimmy makes a video of it😭😭
@@xavierb9061Casual, if Wemby was drafted by the Thunders they would be the reigning champion right now, or even if he played for the Lakers, by the end of last season Wemby was already better than AD at almost everything but playing bully ball in the post or guarding the perimeter 🤷🏾♂️
I've had this conversation with friends before, and purely based on intuition and watching the game, my answer was Jimmy Butler. It's pretty satisfying that the metrics back it up
Its Giannis and i can tell you why, because all categories dont hold the same weight..the 2 categories Butler lacks are probably the most important..Giannis graph is a perfect circle and its only 1% under him, also for some reason, I was rooting for him the whole video..intuitive maybe hehe..weight percentage always make statistics a lot better and more useful as well as uniformity of data 😊
@@Shadow-Scorp1on Disagree heavily. Stature/Playstyle are more important in this context which Jimmy is near identical in. Versatility/Playmaking and shooting too. What he lacked in was the usage category which was basically all guards.
@@thatdude5983 its just 1 percent difference mate......nothing holds weight in this graph..you need a reasoning brhind..for example passing cant hold much weight..doesnt make someone Lebron style player neither a legend or unique..Giannis graph is identical..
SPOILER (results) 21:57 "among the young guys in the league it's [#17 in the list] that has the most in common with LeBron [...] followed by [# 22 in the list]" ... Jxmy skipped over #19 on his own list!
absolutely phenomenal video. kudos for your amazing work. can tell how much you love the sport just from this video. and this is my first video of yours
All I know is that advanced stats have only loved two players as much as Lebron, and that's Jordan and Jokic. All three are offensive grand masters and the best playmakers at their positions.
Wemby will be the next on that list, Wemby is basically a 7’5 AD (Defense+ rebounding+lob treat), who can shoot pull up 3’s like Curry and pass like Jokic, and both AD and Curry are also loved by the advanced stats so just imagine what Wemby will do just next season if Cp3 still got a little bit of fire in him they could seriously be contender, that’s how good he is and we saw how elite and versatile rim protector can impact the game even more in the Playoffs (AD, Gobert, Chet, Mobley, Porzingis ect), some of them had playoffs serie or even run averaging over 4 or 5 block per game, even tough they never average over 2.5 in the regular season, or they had battles with elite bigs like Jokic and if you have a player who can just make life harder for Jokic i think that’s the minimum you need to beat him because at this point Jokic is a Lebron, MJ, Curry, KD level offensive player who can score his 30pts triple double almost every game no matter what you throw at him in the Playoffs, the Wolves needed 3 physical bigs+ elite perimeter defense+ Jamal Murray no show to beat him in 7 games … So yeah i think Wemby will destroy the analytics stats, he could become a Lebron, MJ, Jokic level offensive player with Bill Russel defense .. Insane prospect
We still havent seen a player get away with the crying, flopping,bad attitude, defensive laziness, quitting mentality, blame game, avoid all responsibility, traveling, offensive fouling, carrying, and fourth quarter disappearing magic act
Paolo has a similar build he can post up and all that but if you watch the magic you'll realize he's more of a pullup midrange and fadeaway shooter rather than someone who drives as much like lebron one they get better spacing maybe he'll be better in that regard
It’s funny because ever since 2020 I’ve kinda viewed the Heats duo of Jimmy and Bam as like a knockoff version of the duo of Lebron and AD. I don’t really like thinking it because it feels like a bit of a disservice to Jimmy and Bam, I think it’d be better to say their just a step below but yea as a Heat fan myself everytime we face the Lakers I’ll find myself thinking that atleast once.
Bronny for sure, he's about 50% LeBron bare minimum
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Brah 💀
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He kinda looks like him also, wild
yes genetically 💀💀
So Jimmy Butler is the closest to Lebron but don't forget that Schalabrine the White Mamba is closer to Lebron than you are to the NBA!
Brian Scalabrine is the only undisputed and universally praised goat
one of the coldest lines ever
bro why I was watching the video and looked on the comment thing I saw jimmy butler stop spoiling it
Who is closer, white mamba or goatnasis
@@King_Editz-w4lbrother why would you look at the comments before watching a video like this? That's on you ngl
I was like, "Is it Jimmy Butler? I know you did research and stuff, but I watched the 2020 finals and I'm pretty sure it has to be Jimmy Butler"
My thoughts exactly at the start of the video
My guess too. Pure bucket
Right? I said that right off the bat. His play style is pretty similar overall and his defense is better than some of the other comparable guys.
I said the same thing.
Jimmy lacks the durability, the desire (look how little he cares about regular season) and the playmaking
0:40 this is one of the dopest edits Ive ever seen in my life. period
its a commercial
Bro is answering any and every question humanly possible
Every damn video 🤣
He needs a podcast at this point
Like, bruhh 😂
Answering every question that nobody asked
@@MrE_ yet
Jimmy Butler is no surprise to me, the fact hes played SG, SF & PF at an elite level for over a decade shows his versatility.
Forreal, But Kawhi could also play SG, SF and PF
He was not too shabby at PG and C either! Remember the time when he played C for the Lakers few seasons ago? He was dominant!
@@MoshiAngkawhi is more mj
Jimmy didn’t play pf
Pf?
5:59 it's official, all bearded guys in the NBA are just James Harden in disguise
James Harden is left handed though, is he just a great actor? 😭
@@Matt-xo8ijshhhh🤫 they dont know
@@Matt-xo8ijbetter actor than king James
Beards give you power of the NBA dominance... I'm shaved.
Nobody would believe how hard I laughed for the entire duration of that graphic being up
This type of effort, research and data analysis needs more recognition! Amazing work!
Jimmy Butler shouldn't surprise anybody. A lot of the other guys that would normally be thought of lack the defense and playmaking. Jimmy Butler is a very underrated playmaker.
Lebrons defense has been well below average for his position the last 3 years
@@thuggwaffle8825 bruh is 40 years old, you expect him to get better?
@@Thestoner42000 not necessarily but this guy is suggesting that Lebron is currently a good defender
Son?
@@thuggwaffle8825when lebron actually tries he's a great defender tbh i wouldn't be putting effort into defense either being 40 years old i'll pick & choose when to try 😂
Wanna take a moment to appreciate the editing skills for the transitions around 0:45
For sure!!!
its from an NBA ad on TV
@@angelobush2394damn bro had to kill his shine😂😂im sure he but the camera noises in there
that seemed like it took alot of time
He stole the transition from espn ad 😂
Butler in the 2020 finals is easily the best ive ever seen from him. That man pushed it all the way to the end.
Jimmy butler was basically a poor man's LeBron
@@thinkinginsideout4053in those finals he was basically lebron without help. Bro had how two best team mates out for half the series while he was dropping 40 point triple doubles just to get a win
And the 2020 Finals were the 9th Finals Bron had been to in 10 years (2011-2020). Jimmy ran out of gas in game 7 in 2020.
@@quinngerlinger7347 what I said was a compliment to butler. no hate here.
Except to win. Yes
I think it's funny that Jimmy played like LeBron for that series and the most famous image was him leaning over in exhaustion doing something that Lebron has done basically every playoff series every year. Shows how special Lebron is
WHEN THE WORLD NEEDED HIM THE MOST, HE RETURNED 🗣🗣🗣🔥🔥🔥
Unlike Others who have been promising for millennia!😅
@@angelg2638Coryxkenshin
Haha. Nailed it✝️
I'm so hype for this
Pulled a reverse Aang
I spent 30+ years as a multi-discipline analyst. This is precisely the kind of analysis I would've gotten paid for. Excellent work. For reference, I expected Jokic and Giannis to come out on top. Didn't see Butler coming, but it makes complete sense now that I think of it. He's LeBron if LeBron never wanted to be a point guard, or if he were slightly smaller and less inclined to punish guys down low.
Your mom likes to punish guys down low.
I think you’ve described the career I want as a Stats major. Do you have any advice?
@@analytix-s9y ask a professional
I think if jokic and Giannis were smaller they would’ve probably won this, but them being so much bigger throws them off the statistics
I had the same thoughts as you. I was also incredibly surprised that Westbrook Only scored 11 I had at least xpcted him to be in the top 5. Gianni's, Jokic, Luka, Butler and Westbrook were my top 5 in that order.
Quick reminder : Jimmy Butler was the 3rd player ressembling MJ the most, behind Kawhi and... LeBron
So basicaly Kawhi ressemble Jordan too much too ressemble LeBron, but Jimmy ressemble more LeBron than he ressemble Jordan after all LeBron ressemble more Jordan than Jimmy ressemble Jordan everythind seems allright
@@lejournaldepercival sorry bro but this comment is aneurysm-inducing
@@nanashi7779 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@lejournaldepercival😦
Not Kobe??
Butler almost died in the 2020 finals trying to be LeBron like
yeah, just goes to show even if someone tried to mimic bron its very costly. and bron maintained that for a longgg time, its crazy to think about
5:59 JB is now James Harden
James Barden
sorry i cant like your comment it currently has 69 likes
Rare L
Nobody would believe how hard I laughed for the entire duration of that graphic being up
@@Jacob_TillerI’m laughing rn😭
Jimmy Butler being top 3 in similarity to both Bron and MJ makes his career, idk kind of a bummer? Likes he’s either a Lebron that never put it all together, or an MJ that never got the support from the team he needed.
Either way, we love Jimmy Buckets, he’s rad
Funny you say that because as you know he played for both the bulls and the heat
@@michaeljmyers1995 It’s like a storybook with a few pages missing and a few out of order. I hope he gets his ring
He just peaked late. I always wondered if he had a better upbringing and didn’t go to Juco and was chronicled since high school he would have been way better. But jimmy even said he didn’t know he would even make to the NBA. Also remember thibs never really played him until all the injuries. Jimmy special men.
@@temmieboy if nothing else, we’ll always have “Tobias Harris over me?!”
Or an MJ son that never got support from his father
DNA should also be a metric just so Bronny feels included 😭🙏
Wsg mcdeezy
Facts
It must be such a cosmic slap in the face that you have Lebron’s physical dna as your father but only end up Bronny’s height. It’s like having a 20 in blackjack but still losing to the dealer
U wild for that
Jimmy beats Bronny in that category as well
amen thompson showing up in this list while coming a off a rookie season where he was benched is pretty surprising. he has a bright future for sure
I'm a freshman major in Data Science and this research perfectly shows the power (and coolness) of using raw data to explain the world around us. However, one thing I noted in the video is how you used players' career stats, instead of just a portion of it. For example, in a statistic like dominance, a player who is currently at their peak (like jokic) will finish far higher than a player that is now considered washed (like westrbook). Different stages of a player's career does impact the way they play, Lebron being a great example of that. To be honest, I don't know how you could overcome this aspect while using data from only current NBA players, so maybe your experiment was the the most accurate assessment possible. Thank you for another amazing watch!
This isnt an experiment and nothing is ever the most accurate assessment possible. I'd also say the goal here is to provide insight, not explain the world. There's too many confounding factors to draw any causal conclusions. For example, lebron surrounds himself with shooters every season, so his passing numbers are way inflated compared to players who don't have that luxury
Not that I disagree with much of your comment, but being a freshman Data Science major does not give you an ounce of credibility in statistics or data analytics 😭
I agree
since lebron james is pretty much the player with the longest career. you can just compare however many years a player has played for with lebron's performance during the same period of his career.
@@rishabhsharma2940to be fair he wasn't asking for credibility
The "What remains of Ben Simmons" punchline was savage 😂😂😂
Absolutely diabolical🤣
Dana white: “Lebron is great, but you know who’s better? Jon Jones, the greatest fighter who ever lived.”
Dana would choose JBJ over his mom
@@jasonugwu8326 danas mom hates him. Look up the video 😂☠️
Nah, Dana’s mom is beating the shit out of Jon Jones
He walks out of all rooms
@@YRG-sb2wfain’t no party like a diddy party
Just wanted to vouch Jimmy Butler.
Because during the Bubble Finals and the 2023 Finals, it was his "Lebron" playstyle that brought them to the finals. But he came short with the athleticism and the strength to dominate inside.
Ironic how Jimmy Butler is the most similar to Lebron and played his best basketball against Lebron 💀😭
“Your greatest enemy is yourself” ahh scenario
I'm not sure though he's pretty close sure but the problem with High roller is gets to focused on stats and treats the NBA as a video game not real-life, data sheets don't play a part of outcomes in real life through a series of yes and no rng stat generators, next week the worst player in the NBA could drop 300 and a penta double or luka could chose he never wants to hit 3's again or Labron becomes a UFC fighter or a man with down syndrome could become the new goat, humans exist in real life where there are no rng codes that generate outcomes but merely by straight no rules physics and biology where if it's possible it will happen eventually given enough time and space.
Labron James is nearly the perfect player he's the real NBA robot but has a few flaws; like being the main charter of the show but rarely being the main charter of the season, being a mixed team player, getting everything handed to him by the front, he plays for outcomes not sport and playing white collar basketball.
Jimmy Butler has been the most misused NBA goat maybe ever the front everywhere he goes the front all but on paper actively prevents him from winning, he's skinny not wide or dense ( I mean just compare their head thinness to get an idea how much smaller jimmy is to Labron I mean luka is closer in size Labron) so he's a small scraper player not small mountain player, he plays blue collar basketball, he plays for sport not outcome and is never the main charter even though he's a goat.
If anything, Ben Simions or Zion or ja Morant or another bust with bad stats drafted first round is the closest to Labron if not a guy like Sabonis when he hits his prime or Jokic if he try's.
High roller just avoids context and facts to make a narrative out of data sheets, Labron's current closet doesn't have to be a successful American black man, Shaq's was Greg oden till a few years ago, let alone claim it's the real modern Jordan because of stats with no context and he doesn't want to admit it was a bad question.
High roller always asks the wrong questions and gets bad results, if the answer sounds wrong it's because you are and asked the wrong question, yet he stands on the hill and gets proven wrong all the time, if Jeff Bazos can admit he makes bad questions and get off the hill then high roller surely can.
Jimmy was way better in the 23 Bucks series.
@@Evan-i4e The main thing is that stats are completely unbiased and 100% objective. What else are you supposed to use? Data and statistics are the best way to answer these types of odd, but fun, questions.
@@Evan-i4ewhat kind of rambling nonsense is this
My thoughts: “It’s gotta be Jimmy Butler”
“…but it’s not who you would think”
Me: “oh, I guess it isn’t Butler”
It was in fact Butler.
Same 😅
lmfao same. don't ever doubt yourself ever again, my fellow basketball junkie
Scottie Barnes literally scored higher than Banchero and wasnt mentioned at the end LOL
no one gives Scottie the respect he deserves :(
I came here for this.. that was cold as ice
keep sleeping on scottie him and the raptors will shock the world one day i know it
A lot of people scored higher…why would anyone but raptors fans care that Scottie’s name wasn’t mentioned?
@tdaniels151 because he specifically made a point about these "younger guys" like Senguen and Banchero but Scottie just didn't get mentioned LOL, ain't that deep just found it funny
The only important metric that I would've liked to have seen integrated into this is something involving playoff performance. Maybe comparing regular season stats versus playoff stats in a simple ration manner to see players who raised their game the same amount as him. It might have made things even closer for Butler, although I think he probably raises his game more than James, just because James probably beats him more during the regular season. Incorporating a "playoff clutch" stat or even "Finals Clutch" stat, would probably helped guys like Butler and Leonard (back when he played playoff games) and hurt guys like Paul and Harden.
Some clutch or playoff metrics would've made things even more interesting, but I have to say you did an amazing job as always, and I really appreciate you putting in the work like you always do.
The amount of effort goes into these videos… thank you
The editing from 0:40 to 0:52 is a masterpiece
I just commented the same thing it was insane
Perfection!!
hell yeah! Top shelf...
pretty sure it's not his editing. Its from an NBA video/ad. still cool tho
also editing it from lebron to butler is just crazy foreshadowing
I always thought Giannis was just a Lebron without a jumpshot, so that was my guess
Pretty close though. My first guess was Giannis as well.
Anthony Edwards?
I cant believe Cade cunningham wasnt higher on the list. Eye test puts him closer to lebron than CP3 or Harden.
True w.o a Jumpshot or passing ability
It’s luka or Tatum giannis doesn’t facilitate like bron
The eloquence and precision in which you narrate your videos is soothing and I find it refreshing
4:27 "It's not who you think it is."
Me looking at the outline: that looks like Jimmy Butler.
Lol that’s what I said. Thst look like jimmy butler 😂😂😂
Time and time again, you make the highest quality basketball videos. The way you tell a story throughout the video is incredible.
This man is going to play a big role in Lebrons Documentary series
@jxmyhighroller - hey brotha, luv ur videos. I think you made a typo at 6:24; you mislabeled Brown as Harden on the passer ratings.
No...he's not wrong. If you have a beard in the NBA. You are James Harden. In fact, we are all James Harden.
19:51 I remember watching him play in the bubble and it was pretty much watching the same player on different teams
Right. And He just ran out of gas. The exact thing Bron has been doing for 20years.
Jimmy, as a data analyst I can tell you are an absolute freak in excel. Your videos have inspired my career choice. Love your videos man
It really makes sense when you think about it , Jimmy is the only player to drag a heat team to the finals two different times when they had no business being in the finals . Jimmy willed them to the finals . Crazy
Unfortunately lebron has never carried any team to the playoffs let alone championship round lol
@@Pimping9167You must be new to basketball. Watch highlights about him scoring 27 straight points on Detroit in the playoffs
@@Pimping9167 you know we have footage right? this ain the 80's or 90's we can go back and double check 😂
@@Pimping9167Either you're trolling or you've only been watching basketball for the past 3 years. LeBron literally willed his teams to the finals in his first Cavs run and when Kyrie left for his second run there
@@Pimping9167 Lebron bringing the Cavs into every finals when they faced Warriors. (With and without Kevin Durant)
I have 3 players in my head - Butler, Siakam, and Paolo. But if you've seen the 2 Finals Butler had, he is indeed the most similar to Bron. He's just not as healthy and consistent. But playoff Jimmy is indeed the closest to LeBron
cant wait for the time when butler has to use the "im closer to lebron than you are to me" line against other superstar in the nba 😂
Underrated
as a lifelong Miami fan, I saw this video and immediately knew it was Jimmy butler
Definitely was my top 3 before watching
Same here.
Also cool Butler rocks a headband like Heat LeBron.
But he guaranteed you wouldn't know😭😭😭
@@TEAMGETHELP haha too bad Jimmy has been mid this year. Guess age always wins in the end
Butler's shiftiness, Giannis's aggression, Durant's shooting, Jokic's awareness, and Luka's control.
This is the greatest chanel about NBA on RUclips which I know. Thank you for these great videos!
I've always laughed at ppl who said Zion and Ben were similar to LeBron. It felt good seeing Giannis finish at 2. I've always thought he and Luka had the strongest resemblance to Bron. In fact, I think if you combined the players you would get a lightskin LeBron 😂
Jimmy Butler is a poor man's LeBron
@@thinkinginsideout4053he's similar to both MJ and LeBron according to Jimmy; which makes sense since they all fit in the same archetype (Kobe, D-Wade, MJ, Butler & LeBron; maybe even Durant)
Zion + Luka might just be the best combination of players to produce Lebron. Zion is the Athletic post dominant side and Luka is the more IQ playmaker/scorer side
Before watching the video.
I thought it was gonna be either Luka or Tatum since they are 27-7-7 consistent
@@SeradjLarfi I’m sorry but I totally disagree while Zion CAN be an unstoppable force, he is reckless and lacks the control and finesse LeBron has. Giannis on the other hand is very dominant without sacrificing as much in those areas.
It's so refreshing seeing all of this stuff discussed with real deep-cutting unequivocal data, rather than "killer instinct" or ring count
Still plenty of assumptions and biases to go around. Jimmy was one of my top picks from the start, but idk if I’d say he’s actually the closest.
@@dantesmith9153 I agree, I actually think Jimmy missed an important factor in his final calculation. From what he said, it sounded like he just took the average of each category score as the similarity score. This is, in my opinion, a flawed approach.
The way to calculate the final similarity score should be to take the difference from Lebron in each category (100 - the percentages he showed), and square them. Then add these together for each player, and the player with the lowest total is the most similar to Lebron.
The reason for doing this, is that it puts more emphasis on being similar to Lebron in all categories. This would prevent let's say a hypothetical Nate Robinson type player from having the highest similarity score to Lebron because the height category difference squared would become way bigger, and you would get the more accurate end result of players like Jimmy Butler and Paul George rising to the top of the list.
@@ogbmt I like this and would like to see it. Nice thought process/work!
Best believe that killer instinct helped increase the ring count. Also, this only shows(flawed or not) how close players are to Lebron, not who the best ever is.
@@ciresolsticebecause that debate is already settled, it is WIDELY agreed on that MJ is 1 and lebron is 2.
This is an incredible analysis. My first thought would’ve been Banchero but Jimmy truly is SPOT ON. They are so so similar with a mix of playmaking, defense, playoff takeover and leadership. Similar 3 point too
Bro, it's HIGH QUALITY CONTENT, thank you ! Keep inspiring !!
Jxmy upload is like christmas 🙏🙏🙏
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Butler and Jokic were my two guesses, glad to know I was pretty much spot on
Nah, Jokic is a different beast, dude almost usurped USA super team with a bunch of carrot farmers at Olympics.
@@logomarkzso did South Sudan what’s your point.😂
@@logomarkz Carrot Farmers whiles he had Nba Players in His National team
@@alysander1439 who? That bench roleplayer from Atlanta?
@@logomarkz don't troll bogdan had an amazing game, better than many superstars could'have hopped for. Jokic wasn't alone
19:01 answer
Lebron isn't known for changing the game.
After the video, however,
I realized that he might've changed how the best players are impacting the game more than we thought.
"Combo guards" are posting up and cutting more,
big wings are trying to plamake more,
bigs are trying to be a offense hub.
Steph change how teams play.
Lebron might change how the best ones play.
''isn't known'' yes by the casuals he isn't known .... Durant wasn't a playmaker but he gradually improved his passing , Butler too , Kawhi too , George too , Tatum too .....
Yea. I tend to say he’s made the league a lot more positionless. PF and SG and is going extinct. Seems to be a bigger emphasis on shot efficiency as well.
@@ivblizzard3616wait... You're giving LeBron the credit for combo players existing? They existed before he made the league.
@@JT-km6th Giving him credit for the league trending more that way. No one is saying he was the first.
"Steph change how teams play.
Lebron might change how the best ones play."
That describes it pretty much perfectly...
The NBA is all a simulation, its actually gone full circle. So youre telling me, NOT ONLY is Jimmy Butler considered as "Michael Jordan's lost son" but he is now also the closest/most similar player to Lebron James, who is without a doubt THE player to be compared to Michael Jordan in terms of GOAT status. It has actually gone full circle. Wtf.
Mathematical RUclips pull..Jxmy up there with the math GREATS in all time data collection
I doved this video !!! As a data scientist/engineer, and someone who discovered NBA in Novembre 2019, who saw each team play this season and fell in love with miami heat playstyle that particular year, who was looking at jimmy's scores at each end of your ranking categories, I must admit that statistics can still amaze me, in a good way !!
OF COURSE ITS JIMMY 😂😂😂 I DIED LAUGHING WATCHING THE END
What's so funny about ending
I too burst out laughing fr.
Even funnier when the 2 runner-ups are kd and Giannis
@@Goatlikeitornot Look at my pfp
@@Goatlikeitornotprobably the middle finger
Scottie Barnes will be someone who will remind people of him. he has the same point forward play style that can run an offence with the ball in his hands as well as having the versatility that Lebron has to have a quality shot from 3 levels. Give him some time to be the first option for the raptors and you’ll see it in the future
22:02 - I knew Scottie was Chameleon, but didn't think you would miss it.
The moment the raps build some chemistry and make a playoff run people are gonna know. I keep seeing people saying shit like Paolo has a better offensive game than Scottie and all that. I sometimes wonder if a lot of people with all these opinions even watch basketball... just watching your team ain't it.
Jxmy the editing in this video is so well done, I've enjoyed watching you steadily improve to become the best NBA channel on yt :)
your video quality in terms of editing and animation has absolutely sky rocketed from the last video. As a long time fan, I am so impressed you could have such a quick turnaround
I haven’t watched a jxmyhighroller video in a while
Goodness me the editing was so good I had to pause, rewind and appreciate it
The closest player to LeBron is Anthony Bennett, both number 1 picks in Cleveland, both have beards, both are black
Yeah, but LeBron hasn't done a duet with Lady Gaga yet
black? they all are
Bro, you should definitely think about having a spanish channel with translation, you're the goat of this and I've seen a lot of spanish/latin guys trying to make this content in Spanish but they don't come close at all. And trust me, there's a lot of spanish fans
4:28 Saw the Silhouette and immediately felt like I got robbed of a good video. Got Jimmy spoilers in a Jimmy Video😂
Lol same
😂😂😂
6:15 - Both say James Harden
Was bouta comment this
sad times
i don’t think it was a mistake 😂
all black guys look alike ?
Not mentioning Scottie Barnes is a disservice to this conversation.
I was gonna say… did he just miss him right under Cade? I’d be interested to see what this list looks like in a few years with more data on the young guys in that range. Scottie is gonna be the next with the Lebron 25-8-8 type stat line
Well the point of the video was to use the stats, and Scottie scored 19th overall. So not really relevant to this conversation although he can become more relevant as he hits his prime
He can’t shoot
By the eye test - Scottie doesn’t remind me of LeBron at all. Nothing like him. I appreciate seeing the numbers to support the claim though.
Immaculate editing, you got a subscription outve me.
Bruh we need Jimmy to be in charge of 2K ratings from now on
Can we petition for this or something like, fr get this man in the 2k studios lol he'd fix the game
@@halosins9347 nothing can fix greed
Tbh I manually redid the attributes tendencies and badges of the entire league and it's the most fun I've ever had playing 2k period. U can legit get them to animate and play how the players do
2:15 *What remains of Ben Simmons* 😭😭😭
Who???
He ain’t got the longevity of LeBron
@@Hosae-v4cOnly thing he has in common with LeBron is hair colour 😂😂
Haven’t watched jimmy in a few years glad to see he’s passed 1 million and his channels doing good 👍
Bro your videos are too good!
Scottie just turning 23 and being a 19th comp bodes well. Nobody watches the Raptors, so they don't know. But the numbers seem to have him as a top 10 under 25 already and a top 25-30 in the league overall. Y'all will see. This is his floor, conservatively.
That top 10 of similar players is a very elite top 10. 22:44
18:30 it's interesting how wembanyama is already ranked 12th on dominance ahead of some really good players in the league currently.
Stats used wrong lead to bad conclusion. He was one of worst #1 players on teams. No surprise team near bottom with other worst #1 options.
@@xavierb9061calling wemby worst star on teams is insane cope, if u were to count only last season, he’s alr a an all star calibre player and a lock in for DPOY, how Tf u call a rookie who’s an all star and a DPOY candidate the worst #1, his already better than most all stars we’ve seen now imagine what will happen once he gets used to the league, such a bad take wish jimmy makes a video of it😭😭
Yes, in my opinion very reliable because it shows really who is way better than rest of the league rn. 🃏🃏
small sample size, plus some established players are way past their prime, so this was expected.
@@xavierb9061Casual, if Wemby was drafted by the Thunders they would be the reigning champion right now, or even if he played for the Lakers, by the end of last season Wemby was already better than AD at almost everything but playing bully ball in the post or guarding the perimeter 🤷🏾♂️
I've had this conversation with friends before, and purely based on intuition and watching the game, my answer was Jimmy Butler. It's pretty satisfying that the metrics back it up
This is amazing. Good job brother. We appreciate you.
Giannis was my #1 guess, followed by Joker and JT at #3. this was a fun one to watch for all the lebron fans out there :)
Its Giannis and i can tell you why, because all categories dont hold the same weight..the 2 categories Butler lacks are probably the most important..Giannis graph is a perfect circle and its only 1% under him, also for some reason, I was rooting for him the whole video..intuitive maybe hehe..weight percentage always make statistics a lot better and more useful as well as uniformity of data 😊
@@Shadow-Scorp1on I second that
@@Shadow-Scorp1onagreed, there were quite a few biases in this video that everybody is glossing over, the weighting being the glaringly obvious one.
@@Shadow-Scorp1on Disagree heavily. Stature/Playstyle are more important in this context which Jimmy is near identical in. Versatility/Playmaking and shooting too. What he lacked in was the usage category which was basically all guards.
@@thatdude5983 its just 1 percent difference mate......nothing holds weight in this graph..you need a reasoning brhind..for example passing cant hold much weight..doesnt make someone Lebron style player neither a legend or unique..Giannis graph is identical..
SPOILER (results)
21:57 "among the young guys in the league it's [#17 in the list] that has the most in common with LeBron [...] followed by [# 22 in the list]" ... Jxmy skipped over #19 on his own list!
absolutely phenomenal video. kudos for your amazing work. can tell how much you love the sport just from this video. and this is my first video of yours
5:44 "metric is from one to ten" - shows a metric from ten to zero :D .... I had Giannis as my pick with most closest to LeBron ... pretty close
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Did u somehow schedule this comment😂 your so fast
Gobel warning been changing that
Fun fact I’m hard af right now
@@the_sports_nerd I mean because of global warming that number may never be beaten
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i loved watching this and really enjoyed the format, well done
Bronny James reminds me of Lebron something about that guy! 😂😂😂
22:04 I guess Scottie Barnes (#19) isn't considered a young player anymore, even though he was in the same draft class as Cade 😂.
You know it’s a good day when the GOAT uploads 🐐
i cannot argue with this channels process. kudos
11:41 omg the luka's stat are mindblowing
Agreed, that box creation is in a league of its own.
It's always a good meal when I'm watching Jimmy's video along with it
6:20 James hardens?
I call CAP on James Harden being That close!😂
Whoopsie doodles
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Dude included Ben Simmons just so he can quip some roasts. You're a legend 😂
All I know is that advanced stats have only loved two players as much as Lebron, and that's Jordan and Jokic. All three are offensive grand masters and the best playmakers at their positions.
Wemby will be the next on that list, Wemby is basically a 7’5 AD (Defense+ rebounding+lob treat), who can shoot pull up 3’s like Curry and pass like Jokic, and both AD and Curry are also loved by the advanced stats so just imagine what Wemby will do just next season if Cp3 still got a little bit of fire in him they could seriously be contender, that’s how good he is and we saw how elite and versatile rim protector can impact the game even more in the Playoffs (AD, Gobert, Chet, Mobley, Porzingis ect), some of them had playoffs serie or even run averaging over 4 or 5 block per game, even tough they never average over 2.5 in the regular season, or they had battles with elite bigs like Jokic and if you have a player who can just make life harder for Jokic i think that’s the minimum you need to beat him because at this point Jokic is a Lebron, MJ, Curry, KD level offensive player who can score his 30pts triple double almost every game no matter what you throw at him in the Playoffs, the Wolves needed 3 physical bigs+ elite perimeter defense+ Jamal Murray no show to beat him in 7 games … So yeah i think Wemby will destroy the analytics stats, he could become a Lebron, MJ, Jokic level offensive player with Bill Russel defense .. Insane prospect
6:04 you had Jaylen Brown as James Harden😹
Nobody would believe how hard I laughed for the entire duration of that graphic being up
Didn't even notice what was wrong until I did a double take.
6:25 two james harden heh
Nobody would believe how hard I laughed for the entire duration of that graphic being up
@@Jacob_Tillernobody gives a single fook buddy
We still havent seen a player get away with the crying, flopping,bad attitude, defensive laziness, quitting mentality, blame game, avoid all responsibility, traveling, offensive fouling, carrying, and fourth quarter disappearing magic act
0:25 is where I'm calling it: Paolo is the answer, maybe?
He’s the answer if you have the eye
My first thought was KD.
But then I saw the layup in traffic at 0:24 and immediately thought Jimmy Butler. LETS GOOO
Paolo plays nothing like LeBron
Paolo has a similar build he can post up and all that but if you watch the magic you'll realize he's more of a pullup midrange and fadeaway shooter rather than someone who drives as much like lebron one they get better spacing maybe he'll be better in that regard
That’s what I thought when I saw the video
It’s funny because ever since 2020 I’ve kinda viewed the Heats duo of Jimmy and Bam as like a knockoff version of the duo of Lebron and AD. I don’t really like thinking it because it feels like a bit of a disservice to Jimmy and Bam, I think it’d be better to say their just a step below but yea as a Heat fan myself everytime we face the Lakers I’ll find myself thinking that atleast once.
This is not only amazing analysis but has a surprising conclusion. Never would have seen that coming.
Jimmy Butler? Interesting. They both get a team in the finals and ended up exhausting themselves on a sweep or a gentleman's sweep.
4:50 victor wembanyama