I swear to god, Deadwoodjedi you are the savior of the community! First with your cb calculator and now this, you're giving so much to this community! Keep up the amazing work
Deadwood!! Youre the man!! Been pretty pissed I literally built Paragon like 18 hours before the nerf announcement happened and felt like I wasted a ton of resources- Ive been playing only 6 months so finding any way of getting ahead in this dungeon is awesome
Man!! That Stranger Things interlude was speed-tuned to the boss run. LOL. So satisfying to watch. This is excellent team composition work as usual, DWJ.
I got this team built and working now, was having some difficulty... had a revenge accessory on Demytha, that 5% counterattack seems to proc quite often on that first hit before the decrease speed is up, so she puts a little shield out, and throws off the whole team. So took that off of her, finished booking her A2, it was 3 books shy, and everything runs quite well now, full auto. I have had Kurzad Deepheart but don't currently have him, so am using Tomb Lord for the Decrease Speed, just shut off his A2 and A3, when I am watching the run I will sometimes turn off auto and manually use his A2 / A3 if Decrease Speed is already on the boss. Thank you for this DWJ! :)
First off, I want to say great work with the team building and finding different speed tunes that work on the boss. All the work you put in is greatly appreciated, and the following isn't directed at you, but the player base in general. With that said, I don't understand the why everyone wants to use unkillable on this boss so badly. Building a tanky team with a healer around Geo seems to be so much simpler, doesn't require specific speeds, seems to be more reliable, is faster, and can reuse champs built for other content without much regearing.
My feeling is options are good. Whether you use this or not, having it out there can be helpful to have options. I think most high end players with ample gear will opt for a more traditional team, but for some this will be a preferred option.
@@DeadwoodJedi I agree, and I try sharing videos like this with my clan just so they do have options. However, I always see people commenting stuff like they’re going to wait for unkillable before attempting the high levels, or after the paragon nerf that they won’t even try it, or I’ll have to wait for X champ. In CB, unkillable teams are usually easier to build than other teams an offer higher damage. For Iron Twins, I feel unkillable is harder to build and are usually slower. So while having the unkillable options is great, I don’t understand the people that only want unkillable.
@@dwrecked9329 I can't speak for everyone, but for me with my current champs it's easier to rebuild a few block damage champs than to put together a tanky team. But that's just me.
So I was looking through decrease speed champs and for those of use who have an Ally Protect champion, I think Broodlord could be a sleeper OP champ for this dungeon, his passive works for all ally protects not just his. Have a look see what you think. Also thanks for all the help and videos you put out DeadWoodJedi.
My thinking was your champ places a party wide Ally Protect buff and you tend to get hit by the Iron Twins, well with Broodlord on your team now the boss gets decrease Speed on that attack, due to a passive, have two Ally Protect champs in your team and bang there is no way for the boss not to have decrease speed. Because he loses debuff's after losing a certain amount of health and then hits you which will then put decrease speed back on him.
I think I saw Nubraids using a similar tactic with lord champfort. He similarly places a decrease speed when hit (weak version) but also brings decrease defense, attack, and accuracy.
@@Will-Woll Cool, didn't know this but If an epic can fill the role just as well, the decrease speed role not the other roles Champfort brings then, even better. The thing is besides them I can't find a champ that can keep decrease speed on the boss a 100%
@@aledstovold3906 Broodlord was a great idea until I saw it only has a 45% chance to land after being booked. Not nearly consistent enough. You had my hopes up there for a second because I have him.
@@jakes70cougar Ye a 45% for each of your champs he hits, so that's 5 45% chances oh and the boss hits two or three times so double or triple that number again. Remember his passive works for all ally protects so have another champ that can put it that buff on your whole team or two if you're struggling and the boss will always have decrease speed.
Amazing, thank you! I think your speed ranges are a little wide -- I had Demytha at mid 160's and Tower at 248 and he went before the boss after she places her block damage. Bringing her up to 170 and slowing him down to 247 fixed it (it might just have been bringing him down to 247). Anyway, great team, love the setup. A lot of geo's passive damage gets lost when block damage is on so I'm going to play with poison activators like Taya and Dark Kael instead
Currently going up through the stages, below are speeds for lower stages that worked for me on all affinities. I am using Mausoleum Mage instead of Occult Brawler to block boss' Decrease Crit Rate landing on Kurzad, disable A3 on Maus. STAGE 10 - Helicath 198, Kurzad 153, Geo 140, Maus 135, Demytha 131 STAGE 11 - Helicath 205, Kurzad 161, Geo 147, Maus 145, Demytha 144 STAGE 12 - Helicath 209, Kurzad 169, Geo 147, Maus 145, Demytha 144 (yep, 3 champs same as stage 11) STAGE 13 - Helicath 230, Kurzad 175, Geo 164, Maus 164, Demytha 163 (Heli and Demytha skill priorities change for this stage only! 14 goes back to as per Deadwood Jedi's video) STAGE 14 - Helicath 237, Kurzad 179, Geo 164, Maus 164, Demytha 163 (yep, 3 champs same as stage 13)
Thank you so much Deadwoodjedi for this amazing team. It works once I could get Kurzad to survive the first hit with helicath getting the bulwark mastery. Why does this boss hit so damn hard and crit so easily on Kurzad? The boss feels way overtuned. Kurzad's crit rate is at 125% for now but I plan to up it to past 130%. I replaced Occult brawler with unbooked aox to try extending the decrease speed debuff. Aox is unbooked to reduce the poison landing so the decrease speed debuff has higher chance of being extended. The runs are super consistent. Thank you and thank you!
Wasn't working for me untill I figured out why. Kurzad needs to have more HP. Basically boss will attack and debuff crit chance the champion who has less HP. For me it was Kurzad. After I changed his HP - he no longer a target and every battle goes in my favor. Thx Jedi.
Got it working thanks to this video! The only thing I did was swap out Occult Brawler with Aothar. Already had Aothar built from an old clan boss team and didn't feel like building out another champ. Unfortunately I had to build a 2nd Demytha, because my first one is really speedy on my Myth Fu CB team. Thanks again DWJ! Have fun at Twitchcon and have a drink for me!
I thought stage 15 would give both coins and essences but after 12 runs it only dropped those silver coins... it costs energy, it's time consuming and you have to build a good team for it... I think they actually wanted you to build several teams for it for each affinity but they're so stingy with the rewards.
The team's failure rate is more than 3% where Kuzard misses to land speed down. The issue is boss's passive triggered at HP level 85%, 70%, 55% and 40%. If we could ensure that the threshold is only triggered through the passive poision/HP burn, then the team should work. However, no matter how we try lowing active dmg (like no master, low attck, etc), RNG would play an role that the threshold would be triggered by active dmg at various timing, hence make the run to fail.
@@FaustRSI Now I have 0 (seldom) or 1 (very often) or 2 (quite often) failure each day, even though I lowered Demytha HP so that she always eats the dec crate. I tried my best to lower OB and Heli and Geo pure dmg, but still not "negligible".
If there is any way to work In A warcaster and heli that would be great lol. Got demytha running clanboss team and definitely not getting rid of the myth heir team for this lol. But seriously thanks for all the time and effort you put into not just the builds and team comps but the videos as well
A more FTP alternative if you lack both Helicath and Demytha. Plus, it's a faster team. Far faster. I run it in 64 seconds. If you have Mithrala already use her as your lead. Her aura makes it much easier to reach 550-ish acc requirement. Vogoth(Tank Build with %HP boots)-Vogoth(50 level in Healing Set)-Aox-Geomancer. Note that you won't have decrease speed in your team, so you'll be tanking the damage all the time as the Boss gains turn meter each time Mithrala buffs your team. Here is the beauty of this team: each Vogoth and Aox increases the duration of debuffs. (Geo's burn) So you let the boss gain all the momentum and hit you as often as possible and bam, it destroys itself in a minute. Cheers :)
my tipp: build Demytha's HP lower than Kurzad's, so she allways "tanks" the decrease crit debuff. Put her in stoneskin to make sure she survives the intitial hit.
My Unkillable is 3-4 minutes full auto, 100 per cent all affinities. The downside is it requires 3 Block Damage champs. I use Tower and 2 Helicaths. I lead with Mithrala for the ACC buff, and poisons.
This was a ad-hoc rebuild i made right after rumours of the nerf to unkillable first started, so a lot of champs are not completed yet. I ran out of silver, so no hero has a full set of lvl 16 gear yet, and most masteries are either removed or only partially placed. I was in the middle of testing it when it started to work - I've yet to have a fail so i want to go through a full round of lvl 15 affinities before making any tweaks. Here's the set up I have so far: Lead: Mithrala for her Accuracy Lead and poisons. Speed 223, accuracy 516. No masteries yet. I only use her A1 for the poisons. Accuracy/Speed/Perception gear. (If i can get her into poison in future, i will) Geo (most gear at 12) with 575 accuracy at 197 speed. A2 turned off. Open with and priority to his A3.Masteries incomplete - but have Eagle Eye in Support line. 3 sets of Perception gear. Helicath at 269 (he goes before the boss on turn 1). Lead with A3. A2 turned off. 1 lvl of Awakening w Brimstone blessing - not necessary, but speeds up run when procs. Warmaster Mastery. Offense line only. Nothing effecting speed. Speed/Perception/Devine Speed Helicath #2 at 245 speed. Poison gear/Speed Gear. War Master. A2 turned off. Open with A1. A3 default Tower: 248 speed. Poison gear/Speed Gear. Open with A1. A2 turned off. A3 default. No Masteries. Hope this helps. I think any Block Damage heroes will work, and with better speeds, only 2 would likely be needed, but Helicath is great, and gets greater with poison gear and a single soul Awakening as his double A1 hit has a very good chance of placing poisons (with good accuracy) and proc'ing Smite, which does a LOT of work. - PS - After watching DW's vid above, maybe Geo can be any DPS since his juju doesn't do its thing with BD.
I've tried this with 1 Helicath and 2 Towers, but on auto both Towers used A2 on round 2, which is basically waste for 2nd one. So how you can have it full auto?
this is awesome, yes I know my comment is 6 months late, there is however a pretty easy team with 3x Pain keeper, 1x Geo and Helicath, works amazing too
I believe the crit rate debuff is controllable …. he targets your champion with highest crit value so you just need one champ with crit rate higher than kurzad
Doesn't seem to be the case -- most of the time he places it on my geo or demytha, both of who have no critrate, and ignores my kurzad and kael, who both have >100
@@DeadwoodJedi Ok I think I've figured this out. He attacks the champion with the lowest hp and places the decrease crit rate. As long as that champion drops the decrease debuff before he does the attack again he will attack the same champion. Towards the end of the fight when the boss goes a bit crazy my lowest hp champion, geo, still has the decrease crit rate debuff so he attacks my second lowest hp champion, helicath, and places the debuff on him too. I wish I could test this more but I ran out of keys
I had issues with the crit rate debuff so I changed out Brawler with my old CB buddy Vizier Ovelis problem solved.... extended for days for a 3:24 minute clear. thank you for this build!
great video and team, thank you. i ll try it with tower instead. was wondering if this also somewhat works up to stage 15 or only on 15 ? because its a hard way to 15
Thanks, beat the magic one thanks to this comp. Mi Kurzad is 6*, lvl 43 in full perception and my demytha is 5* 50 in stoneskin. When why kurzad is 60 probably will survive the first hit on a crit
Just built the Team and it worked first Try! I had to sub in Tomb Lord for the Decrease Speed, how Tomb Lord will do on the other affinities tho it going to be Fun! lol, Thank you for the Help Deadwood Jedi!!
Hey @DeadwoodJedi have you read that probably unkillable teams will not work soon in the Iron Twins? They already announced that they will buff the boss to start ignoring these buffs
OMG just make it yourself... Just make them different speeds and put delays on their block damage skills with 3 x 2 turn Block damage you should be golden... as long as they are not suing them all at the same time and are 1 turn staggers ...
4:05 I think you're referring to players messing up the math for your champions stats % vs debuff %. People might think 130% C RATE will counter the debuff, but unless there's a coding error, I think the math is actually 30% of the champ's total C RATE, meaning you need a minimum of 143% C RATE to counter the buff (143*0.7=100.1% C RATE).
Would this have the potential to be used and go on CD from the hit right before the boss cleanses, so then it's not ready for the next hit? Also isn't it 15% on Champfort vs 30% on Kurzad?
im doing full auto with 1x Heli (A2 off), 2x Towers (+ 1x Cardiel + 1x Valk or 1x high damage dealer) .. kind of cheap using 3x block damage .., but it can stil occasionally go bad xD.. .. forcing the boss to go early, by placing buffs, can be used to your advantage, especially with counterattack (get like free damage, and force him to attack, while all block damage are still up)
My team full auto for all affinities is yumeko, geomancer, helicath, demytha and godseeker. No decrease speed and the hex sends the debuffs back at the boss. Its fun. Average run is about 2min
Hey dead thanks for the video, one question why you don't need war master on geo? I though he should use it in order to reflect more DMG, my apologies if you mentioned already. I'm thinking to use that mastery on my unique Geo setup no inmortal.
just checking this out. you mentioned that the boss place decrease crit rate and that can mess up kurzad so intead of OB isnt doompriest in toxic a better choice to make sure it wont mess kurzad?
FYI, was able to use Maneater x2, Painkeeper from Bateater CB team - changed no speeds or gear. Added Helicath for in between ME Unk buffs - auto for all affinities. Have to manual the first round of cooldowns, FULL AUTO after. Can add any nuker you please for 5th spot. Turn 1: ME 1 buff only, delay ME 2 and Helicath, PK reset; Turn 2 use Helicath A3 buff for safety coverage; Turn 3 use ME2 A3 buff and hit auto.
Thank you for posting this! Is it possible to use yakarl instead of kurzad? If booked he has a 3 turn dec speed on a 3 turn CD. I don't have kurzad but need to build yakarl for the SR anyway. I know he has inc speed which might mess it up...
Been running this from day one, can't believe it took this long 😪 and me posting it on every cc videos. Demytha hellicath geo with a block debuffs champion and a decrease speed attack and defense helps. 225 speed
Is there a replacement for Demytha? I have “Hell Cat,” Sir Nic, Maneater & Warcaster but no Demytha. I know you said Sir Nic or Roschcard the Tower can be put in for Helicath but I did not here if there were any swaps for Demytha. Also, I was wondering if Krisk could work in place of Kurzad Deepheart or does he place too many buffs?
I followed your speed ranges, but unless my Helicath is exactly 248 speed and my Demytha is exactly 171 speed, the whole comp falls apart. Not sure why, but I tried 247 speed and 249 speed on my Helicath and both runs kept failing.
THANK YOU for this. I poured hundreds of energy into this comp and nothing worked until I hit exactly these two speeds, with someone at less health than Kurzad to take the dec CR debuff. Worked perfectly after that.
This seems quite cool! Question: My Demytha is tied up in my UNM team, so I'd rather use different champs. I have 2 Helicaths and a Sir Nick, I assume either would work? EDIT: Ah shoot, Helicath and Santa are 4turn CD, vs Demythas 3. Oh well.
ok so im just now getting around to actually caring about iron twins. My question for DJ is why use Geomancer as the block damage buff negates his passive? Are there any subs that you would recomend?
Been using Helicath and Tower with Geo. Been using Tomb lord/stag knight for dec spd and Rector for veil and heals but failing at 14. Thinking of adding Champfort for dec spd and Klodd for inc acc. Without a consistent dec spd it’s hard to keep block damage up consistently.
my team is Demytha, Helicath, NekmoThaar (in poison set), Ninja for the HP burn and GodseekerAniri. i need more speed as all gears at lvl12 lol but im at lvl11 on the twins so far.
Hello! This is a highly unstable unkil. The maximum demolished half of the boss's health, then the resistance is sure to work and the speed penalty disappears. Never killed 15 blue bosses.
I had some issues with this comp. Essentially, when Kurzad fails to land the decrease speed because of the decrease crit rate debuff your team can fall out of sync and fail. So I upped his crit rate as far as I could past 100% and it helped - but I still failed about 20% of the time. Getting crit rate to 130% AND accuracy to 600+ just wasn't in the cards for my gear. So I looked at the team and dropped Occult Brawler in favor of another Kurzad and it dropped the fail rate through the floor. Occult Brawler speeds things up but isn't critical to the comp, so I traded about 3 minutes of run time for (I hope) a 100% success rate. Hope that helps anyone who was having the same issue as me.
going over 100% crit rate does nothing. but yeah idk if in this video or another he mentions that 1 of 2 failures is because of kurzads decrease speed failing
@@seen3804 the boss places Decrease CritRate buff on the member with the highest CritRate. getting Kurzad higher than 100% increases his odds of landing a crit when he is debuffed. you could also simply have another champion with 101% crit rate and the boss will target him over Kurzad.
thank you! Does this team work with previous stages? I'm stuck on stage 13 right now. Gonna use the paragon cheese to get to 15 before the nerf hopefully
I did this a long time ago on a CB team by just goofing around but put 1 Maneater, 3 Pain Keeper and 1 dps being the slowest champ (preferably Geomancer). There you go, 100% cheese
I need a Kurzad replacement I don't have him. I will be swapping Santa in though. I also have to build my second geo since my first one is in my CB team and has to be faster.
Unkill not working :( I can't understand why... Demita spd=171 Hellicat spd=248 Kurzad spd=194 damagers spd=179 and 180 All settings for auto from video.
you should be able to manipulate the decrease crit rate debuff. i heard somewhere the champion with the most crit rate will get the buff so if thats how it works building someone with more crit rate than kurzad should resolve that possible issue
Just tested this. Was failing consistently due to Kurzad not landing the decrease speed. Increased his Crit Rate to 130% and he NEVER fails to land it now. Seems like overfilling Crit Rate DOES negate the decrease crit rate debuff!
I'm working on Kurzad right now. I'm wondering would Retaliation and Revenge Accessories would help. Cause the twins removes the debuffs, then attacks. right? Well, when Kurzad counters, he would put the Decrease Spd right back on them immediately, right?
Hi i have a question since plarium ruined my unkillable team , its possible to have a good team with helicath and warcaster instead of the 2x maneater??
I swear to god, Deadwoodjedi you are the savior of the community! First with your cb calculator and now this, you're giving so much to this community! Keep up the amazing work
Deadwood is God lol
@@mccoy4115 he’s not but he is good at what he does
This build is great. But in a few days Sir Nic won’t be viable. As Plarium are going to add UK as a buff the twins’ damage ignores.
Deadwood!! Youre the man!! Been pretty pissed I literally built Paragon like 18 hours before the nerf announcement happened and felt like I wasted a ton of resources- Ive been playing only 6 months so finding any way of getting ahead in this dungeon is awesome
Btw all you had to do was put a lvl 30 paragon in a toxic set to solo it.. never had to build him.
@@Scadipippen well, he probably didn't know
@@biljancanin now he does :) also it still works even after the patch.
@@Scadipippen yea my paragon still soloing 15s :D
Man!! That Stranger Things interlude was speed-tuned to the boss run. LOL. So satisfying to watch. This is excellent team composition work as usual, DWJ.
I got this team built and working now, was having some difficulty... had a revenge accessory on Demytha, that 5% counterattack seems to proc quite often on that first hit before the decrease speed is up, so she puts a little shield out, and throws off the whole team. So took that off of her, finished booking her A2, it was 3 books shy, and everything runs quite well now, full auto. I have had Kurzad Deepheart but don't currently have him, so am using Tomb Lord for the Decrease Speed, just shut off his A2 and A3, when I am watching the run I will sometimes turn off auto and manually use his A2 / A3 if Decrease Speed is already on the boss. Thank you for this DWJ! :)
THANK YOU, for finding a tune that uses Helicath's existing cb speed! True hero
First off, I want to say great work with the team building and finding different speed tunes that work on the boss. All the work you put in is greatly appreciated, and the following isn't directed at you, but the player base in general.
With that said, I don't understand the why everyone wants to use unkillable on this boss so badly. Building a tanky team with a healer around Geo seems to be so much simpler, doesn't require specific speeds, seems to be more reliable, is faster, and can reuse champs built for other content without much regearing.
Have you beaten stage 15 yet?
My feeling is options are good. Whether you use this or not, having it out there can be helpful to have options. I think most high end players with ample gear will opt for a more traditional team, but for some this will be a preferred option.
@@dwrecked9329 yes, on all affinities (except void because it’s only been open once). 100%, 2-3 minutes on each
@@DeadwoodJedi I agree, and I try sharing videos like this with my clan just so they do have options. However, I always see people commenting stuff like they’re going to wait for unkillable before attempting the high levels, or after the paragon nerf that they won’t even try it, or I’ll have to wait for X champ. In CB, unkillable teams are usually easier to build than other teams an offer higher damage. For Iron Twins, I feel unkillable is harder to build and are usually slower. So while having the unkillable options is great, I don’t understand the people that only want unkillable.
@@dwrecked9329 I can't speak for everyone, but for me with my current champs it's easier to rebuild a few block damage champs than to put together a tanky team. But that's just me.
So I was looking through decrease speed champs and for those of use who have an Ally Protect champion, I think Broodlord could be a sleeper OP champ for this dungeon, his passive works for all ally protects not just his. Have a look see what you think. Also thanks for all the help and videos you put out DeadWoodJedi.
My thinking was your champ places a party wide Ally Protect buff and you tend to get hit by the Iron Twins, well with Broodlord on your team now the boss gets decrease Speed on that attack, due to a passive, have two Ally Protect champs in your team and bang there is no way for the boss not to have decrease speed. Because he loses debuff's after losing a certain amount of health and then hits you which will then put decrease speed back on him.
I think I saw Nubraids using a similar tactic with lord champfort. He similarly places a decrease speed when hit (weak version) but also brings decrease defense, attack, and accuracy.
@@Will-Woll Cool, didn't know this but If an epic can fill the role just as well, the decrease speed role not the other roles Champfort brings then, even better. The thing is besides them I can't find a champ that can keep decrease speed on the boss a 100%
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Broodlord was a great idea until I saw it only has a 45% chance to land after being booked. Not nearly consistent enough. You had my hopes up there for a second because I have him.
@@jakes70cougar Ye a 45% for each of your champs he hits, so that's 5 45% chances oh and the boss hits two or three times so double or triple that number again. Remember his passive works for all ally protects so have another champ that can put it that buff on your whole team or two if you're struggling and the boss will always have decrease speed.
Amazing, thank you! I think your speed ranges are a little wide -- I had Demytha at mid 160's and Tower at 248 and he went before the boss after she places her block damage. Bringing her up to 170 and slowing him down to 247 fixed it (it might just have been bringing him down to 247). Anyway, great team, love the setup. A lot of geo's passive damage gets lost when block damage is on so I'm going to play with poison activators like Taya and Dark Kael instead
My 164 dym 247 Tower fell out of sync after a bit. I’ll try speeding it up. I suspect his higher dps (i’ve no geo) means a shorter run than mine
Currently going up through the stages, below are speeds for lower stages that worked for me on all affinities. I am using Mausoleum Mage instead of Occult Brawler to block boss' Decrease Crit Rate landing on Kurzad, disable A3 on Maus.
STAGE 10 - Helicath 198, Kurzad 153, Geo 140, Maus 135, Demytha 131
STAGE 11 - Helicath 205, Kurzad 161, Geo 147, Maus 145, Demytha 144
STAGE 12 - Helicath 209, Kurzad 169, Geo 147, Maus 145, Demytha 144 (yep, 3 champs same as stage 11)
STAGE 13 - Helicath 230, Kurzad 175, Geo 164, Maus 164, Demytha 163 (Heli and Demytha skill priorities change for this stage only! 14 goes back to as per Deadwood Jedi's video)
STAGE 14 - Helicath 237, Kurzad 179, Geo 164, Maus 164, Demytha 163 (yep, 3 champs same as stage 13)
hey bro I don't have Demytha but I have Helicath and roshcard could I use those 2 with those speeds?
Thank you so much Deadwoodjedi for this amazing team. It works once I could get Kurzad to survive the first hit with helicath getting the bulwark mastery. Why does this boss hit so damn hard and crit so easily on Kurzad? The boss feels way overtuned. Kurzad's crit rate is at 125% for now but I plan to up it to past 130%. I replaced Occult brawler with unbooked aox to try extending the decrease speed debuff. Aox is unbooked to reduce the poison landing so the decrease speed debuff has higher chance of being extended. The runs are super consistent. Thank you and thank you!
Awesome team! I’ve just been caveman braining this boss with geo and helicath + 2 demythas
Quick question, I have the same champions, is it reliable and what are the speeds? Thanx in advance
Well damn, now i just need another demytha so i dont screw up my CB team
The 248 speed tune for Helicath also works for my unkillable Clan Boss tune. Such a game changer of a champ! Use him everywhere
Wasn't working for me untill I figured out why. Kurzad needs to have more HP. Basically boss will attack and debuff crit chance the champion who has less HP. For me it was Kurzad. After I changed his HP - he no longer a target and every battle goes in my favor. Thx Jedi.
Got it working thanks to this video! The only thing I did was swap out Occult Brawler with Aothar. Already had Aothar built from an old clan boss team and didn't feel like building out another champ. Unfortunately I had to build a 2nd Demytha, because my first one is really speedy on my Myth Fu CB team. Thanks again DWJ! Have fun at Twitchcon and have a drink for me!
Speed:
Heli 247-249
Demytha 159-179 slower than dps
Kurzad 180-194 faster than dps
OB 160-180
Geo 160-180
Awesome work mate, runs without issues, swapped occult out for Narma for the accuracy aura and debuff extend.
good idea! Erinyes as an epic rarity budget variant is nice there, too
I thought stage 15 would give both coins and essences but after 12 runs it only dropped those silver coins... it costs energy, it's time consuming and you have to build a good team for it... I think they actually wanted you to build several teams for it for each affinity but they're so stingy with the rewards.
The team's failure rate is more than 3% where Kuzard misses to land speed down. The issue is boss's passive triggered at HP level 85%, 70%, 55% and 40%. If we could ensure that the threshold is only triggered through the passive poision/HP burn, then the team should work. However, no matter how we try lowing active dmg (like no master, low attck, etc), RNG would play an role that the threshold would be triggered by active dmg at various timing, hence make the run to fail.
more like 50%
@@FaustRSI Now I have 0 (seldom) or 1 (very often) or 2 (quite often) failure each day, even though I lowered Demytha HP so that she always eats the dec crate. I tried my best to lower OB and Heli and Geo pure dmg, but still not "negligible".
If there is any way to work In A warcaster and heli that would be great lol. Got demytha running clanboss team and definitely not getting rid of the myth heir team for this lol. But seriously thanks for all the time and effort you put into not just the builds and team comps but the videos as well
A more FTP alternative if you lack both Helicath and Demytha.
Plus, it's a faster team. Far faster. I run it in 64 seconds.
If you have Mithrala already use her as your lead. Her aura makes it much easier to reach 550-ish acc requirement.
Vogoth(Tank Build with %HP boots)-Vogoth(50 level in Healing Set)-Aox-Geomancer.
Note that you won't have decrease speed in your team, so you'll be tanking the damage all the time as the Boss gains turn meter each time Mithrala buffs your team.
Here is the beauty of this team: each Vogoth and Aox increases the duration of debuffs. (Geo's burn)
So you let the boss gain all the momentum and hit you as often as possible and bam, it destroys itself in a minute.
Cheers :)
my tipp: build Demytha's HP lower than Kurzad's, so she allways "tanks" the decrease crit debuff. Put her in stoneskin to make sure she survives the intitial hit.
Love your music selection dude. Im already paying for Spotify. Any recommendations for playlists?
My Unkillable is 3-4 minutes full auto, 100 per cent all affinities. The downside is it requires 3 Block Damage champs. I use Tower and 2 Helicaths. I lead with Mithrala for the ACC buff, and poisons.
Speeds?)
This was a ad-hoc rebuild i made right after rumours of the nerf to unkillable first started, so a lot of champs are not completed yet. I ran out of silver, so no hero has a full set of lvl 16 gear yet, and most masteries are either removed or only partially placed. I was in the middle of testing it when it started to work - I've yet to have a fail so i want to go through a full round of lvl 15 affinities before making any tweaks.
Here's the set up I have so far:
Lead: Mithrala for her Accuracy Lead and poisons. Speed 223, accuracy 516. No masteries yet. I only use her A1 for the poisons. Accuracy/Speed/Perception gear. (If i can get her into poison in future, i will)
Geo (most gear at 12) with 575 accuracy at 197 speed. A2 turned off. Open with and priority to his A3.Masteries incomplete - but have Eagle Eye in Support line. 3 sets of Perception gear.
Helicath at 269 (he goes before the boss on turn 1). Lead with A3. A2 turned off. 1 lvl of Awakening w Brimstone blessing - not necessary, but speeds up run when procs. Warmaster Mastery. Offense line only. Nothing effecting speed. Speed/Perception/Devine Speed
Helicath #2 at 245 speed. Poison gear/Speed Gear. War Master. A2 turned off. Open with A1. A3 default
Tower: 248 speed. Poison gear/Speed Gear. Open with A1. A2 turned off. A3 default. No Masteries.
Hope this helps.
I think any Block Damage heroes will work, and with better speeds, only 2 would likely be needed, but Helicath is great, and gets greater with poison gear and a single soul Awakening as his double A1 hit has a very good chance of placing poisons (with good accuracy) and proc'ing Smite, which does a LOT of work.
- PS - After watching DW's vid above, maybe Geo can be any DPS since his juju doesn't do its thing with BD.
I've tried this with 1 Helicath and 2 Towers, but on auto both Towers used A2 on round 2, which is basically waste for 2nd one. So how you can have it full auto?
this is awesome, yes I know my comment is 6 months late, there is however a pretty easy team with 3x Pain keeper, 1x Geo and Helicath, works amazing too
I believe the crit rate debuff is controllable …. he targets your champion with highest crit value so you just need one champ with crit rate higher than kurzad
Yup! Definitely another option. I’d recommend demytha.
Doesn't seem to be the case -- most of the time he places it on my geo or demytha, both of who have no critrate, and ignores my kurzad and kael, who both have >100
@@DeadwoodJedi Ok I think I've figured this out. He attacks the champion with the lowest hp and places the decrease crit rate. As long as that champion drops the decrease debuff before he does the attack again he will attack the same champion. Towards the end of the fight when the boss goes a bit crazy my lowest hp champion, geo, still has the decrease crit rate debuff so he attacks my second lowest hp champion, helicath, and places the debuff on him too. I wish I could test this more but I ran out of keys
@@Ted_Kurt That makes a lot of sense to me -- raid default targetting is lowest HP. It does make controllable and that's the main thing.
Hell yes he is!!!!!!!!! Awesome work Deadwood. Make a calculator?
I had issues with the crit rate debuff so I changed out Brawler with my old CB buddy Vizier Ovelis problem solved.... extended for days for a 3:24 minute clear. thank you for this build!
great video and team, thank you. i ll try it with tower instead. was wondering if this also somewhat works up to stage 15 or only on 15 ? because its a hard way to 15
Worked like a charm!!! Subbed Urost for Occult 3:37 run!
Thanks, beat the magic one thanks to this comp. Mi Kurzad is 6*, lvl 43 in full perception and my demytha is 5* 50 in stoneskin. When why kurzad is 60 probably will survive the first hit on a crit
Just built the Team and it worked first Try! I had to sub in Tomb Lord for the Decrease Speed, how Tomb Lord will do on the other affinities tho it going to be Fun! lol, Thank you for the Help Deadwood Jedi!!
would you run AOX to extend those debuffs and ensure the extension of the decrease speed and hp burn? He also has the a1 poison and a2 heal.
He will be better than the occult brawler in this comp
Hey @DeadwoodJedi have you read that probably unkillable teams will not work soon in the Iron Twins? They already announced that they will buff the boss to start ignoring these buffs
Unkillable like maneater I believe but helicath uses block damage
@@YaaBoyShawn I believe he will end up ignoring both
Ive got 2 towers and 1 Helicath. Please do a video on a rotation between these two turn block damage champs next!!
OMG just make it yourself... Just make them different speeds and put delays on their block damage skills with 3 x 2 turn Block damage you should be golden... as long as they are not suing them all at the same time and are 1 turn staggers ...
@@benjaminroe311ify yeah he could do that or Deadwood Jedi could make some more wonderful content for us to watch!
Freaking nice Deadwood. thx alot.. instead of Kurzad i used Tomb lord. 3:19 in first try.
best time was 2:29
This is great. Could you do a double hellcat comp?
Aren't they making the boss killing through unkillable soon making Sir Nic not viable?
Dude you’re smithg else , hands down absolutely the best content creator in raid sl !
4:05 I think you're referring to players messing up the math for your champions stats % vs debuff %. People might think 130% C RATE will counter the debuff, but unless there's a coding error, I think the math is actually 30% of the champ's total C RATE, meaning you need a minimum of 143% C RATE to counter the buff (143*0.7=100.1% C RATE).
You're the Legend man, absolutely amazing good job ;)
Hey DW, could you run Champfort instead? Does his passive work with block damage up?
Yes it does. Hes the best decrease speed champ for this
Would this have the potential to be used and go on CD from the hit right before the boss cleanses, so then it's not ready for the next hit? Also isn't it 15% on Champfort vs 30% on Kurzad?
thx for the video culd we have an video with warcaster instead of hell cath? thx alot
Man, I need to 6 star my Kurzad now…
Does the tune still work if you use a martyr/valkery for CA, making kurzad apply decrease speed while the boss is at 0 turn meter?
Thank you, DWJ!!!
im doing full auto with 1x Heli (A2 off), 2x Towers (+ 1x Cardiel + 1x Valk or 1x high damage dealer)
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kind of cheap using 3x block damage .., but it can stil occasionally go bad xD..
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forcing the boss to go early, by placing buffs, can be used to your advantage, especially with counterattack (get like free damage, and force him to attack, while all block damage are still up)
My team full auto for all affinities is yumeko, geomancer, helicath, demytha and godseeker. No decrease speed and the hex sends the debuffs back at the boss. Its fun. Average run is about 2min
Hey dead thanks for the video, one question why you don't need war master on geo? I though he should use it in order to reflect more DMG, my apologies if you mentioned already. I'm thinking to use that mastery on my unique Geo setup no inmortal.
just checking this out. you mentioned that the boss place decrease crit rate and that can mess up kurzad so intead of OB isnt doompriest in toxic a better choice to make sure it wont mess kurzad?
FYI, was able to use Maneater x2, Painkeeper from Bateater CB team - changed no speeds or gear. Added Helicath for in between ME Unk buffs - auto for all affinities. Have to manual the first round of cooldowns, FULL AUTO after. Can add any nuker you please for 5th spot. Turn 1: ME 1 buff only, delay ME 2 and Helicath, PK reset; Turn 2 use Helicath A3 buff for safety coverage; Turn 3 use ME2 A3 buff and hit auto.
Thank you for posting this! Is it possible to use yakarl instead of kurzad? If booked he has a 3 turn dec speed on a 3 turn CD. I don't have kurzad but need to build yakarl for the SR anyway. I know he has inc speed which might mess it up...
Double ME + Block dmg + Geo + PK in bateater speeds works even easier, but you need a lot of accuracy on geo.
Спасибо, DWJ. Возьму этот пак на вооружение. Осталось ток кузрада достать, геоманта и оккультного заменю кем-нить
With the unkillable nerf for this, doesn't that mean that sir nic isn't useable?
It's just if there's one champ left. It's strictly a paragon nerf for ITF.
@@olavbakke2889 so could manual and use 2 paragons
Been running this from day one, can't believe it took this long 😪 and me posting it on every cc videos. Demytha hellicath geo with a block debuffs champion and a decrease speed attack and defense helps. 225 speed
Is there a replacement for Demytha? I have “Hell Cat,” Sir Nic, Maneater & Warcaster but no Demytha. I know you said Sir Nic or Roschcard the Tower can be put in for Helicath but I did not here if there were any swaps for Demytha. Also, I was wondering if Krisk could work in place of Kurzad Deepheart or does he place too many buffs?
I followed your speed ranges, but unless my Helicath is exactly 248 speed and my Demytha is exactly 171 speed, the whole comp falls apart. Not sure why, but I tried 247 speed and 249 speed on my Helicath and both runs kept failing.
THANK YOU for this. I poured hundreds of energy into this comp and nothing worked until I hit exactly these two speeds, with someone at less health than Kurzad to take the dec CR debuff. Worked perfectly after that.
@@cueballartist No problem! Hope more people see this if they try using this comp.
This seems quite cool!
Question:
My Demytha is tied up in my UNM team, so I'd rather use different champs. I have 2 Helicaths and a Sir Nick, I assume either would work?
EDIT: Ah shoot, Helicath and Santa are 4turn CD, vs Demythas 3. Oh well.
ok so im just now getting around to actually caring about iron twins. My question for DJ is why use Geomancer as the block damage buff negates his passive? Are there any subs that you would recomend?
nvm guess I should have waited since you answered my question in the video LOL
Been using Helicath and Tower with Geo. Been using Tomb lord/stag knight for dec spd and Rector for veil and heals but failing at 14. Thinking of adding Champfort for dec spd and Klodd for inc acc. Without a consistent dec spd it’s hard to keep block damage up consistently.
my team is Demytha, Helicath, NekmoThaar (in poison set), Ninja for the HP burn and GodseekerAniri. i need more speed as all gears at lvl12 lol but im at lvl11 on the twins so far.
Hello! This is a highly unstable unkil. The maximum demolished half of the boss's health, then the resistance is sure to work and the speed penalty disappears. Never killed 15 blue bosses.
Will this work with a 15% decrease speed also? like Void Rare Marquis in place of Kurzad?
Did you ever find an answer to this?? lol. I don't have Kurzad, just got Demytha and want to try this with Marquis
I had some issues with this comp. Essentially, when Kurzad fails to land the decrease speed because of the decrease crit rate debuff your team can fall out of sync and fail. So I upped his crit rate as far as I could past 100% and it helped - but I still failed about 20% of the time. Getting crit rate to 130% AND accuracy to 600+ just wasn't in the cards for my gear. So I looked at the team and dropped Occult Brawler in favor of another Kurzad and it dropped the fail rate through the floor. Occult Brawler speeds things up but isn't critical to the comp, so I traded about 3 minutes of run time for (I hope) a 100% success rate. Hope that helps anyone who was having the same issue as me.
going over 100% crit rate does nothing. but yeah idk if in this video or another he mentions that 1 of 2 failures is because of kurzads decrease speed failing
@@seen3804 the boss places Decrease CritRate buff on the member with the highest CritRate. getting Kurzad higher than 100% increases his odds of landing a crit when he is debuffed.
you could also simply have another champion with 101% crit rate and the boss will target him over Kurzad.
thank you! Does this team work with previous stages? I'm stuck on stage 13 right now. Gonna use the paragon cheese to get to 15 before the nerf hopefully
I think it does. It looks like the iron twins have the same speed from stages 12-15.
It does not. best use the paragon cheese to get to 15 and then this strat.
So ,hellcat have the same speed as i already use on him in cb. Sweet 👍
Lord Champfort stops the turn meter boost on the boss.
Great team! Why not using venomage or dark Kael, in pair with occult brawler, or ninja? Might be faster
Would 2 hellcats work? I have 2 booked and a dymitha. But could 2nd hellcat replace dymitha.
You can use my account to showcase this 😆
I did this a long time ago on a CB team by just goofing around but put 1 Maneater, 3 Pain Keeper and 1 dps being the slowest champ (preferably Geomancer). There you go, 100% cheese
I used Jetni alsgor duo so decrease speed is always up
Hey cool video. You are one in a million
dude i was waiting for this. struggling with twins and i dont feel like taking 2ME from my batman salad team KB
Hell hades has a full auto comp that uses the 2 ME and painkeeper from bateater. You don't have to change their gear or speeds
@@dwrecked9329 his speeds are slower than what i have on my maneaters as i am not using painkeeper but mashalled
in case i don't have a geo , is it a good idea to go with occult brawler only ( 4 man team ) ?
Thank you, I need it)
is demytha mandatory or can she be swapped out for another block damage champ or something else?
Brilliant!
I need a Kurzad replacement I don't have him. I will be swapping Santa in though. I also have to build my second geo since my first one is in my CB team and has to be faster.
using my demytha for myth fu. now need another demytha! love her
Unkill not working :( I can't understand why...
Demita spd=171
Hellicat spd=248
Kurzad spd=194
damagers spd=179 and 180
All settings for auto from video.
you should be able to manipulate the decrease crit rate debuff. i heard somewhere the champion with the most crit rate will get the buff so if thats how it works building someone with more crit rate than kurzad should resolve that possible issue
Just tested this. Was failing consistently due to Kurzad not landing the decrease speed. Increased his Crit Rate to 130% and he NEVER fails to land it now. Seems like overfilling Crit Rate DOES negate the decrease crit rate debuff!
Yeah - cause it’s a decrease flat %. Been my experience as well.
thanks
589 accuracy is light? holy shit!
Half hour-is for all 6 keys, that's not bad. But that's plarium problem not yours DWJ. Cool comp.
Why did you bring Geomancer though? With block damage he doesn't do much does he?
Is there a replacement for Kurzad? All rarities? Cause sadly I do not have one atm....argh I wish I would have kept one....argh....
I'm working on Kurzad right now. I'm wondering would Retaliation and Revenge Accessories would help. Cause the twins removes the debuffs, then attacks. right? Well, when Kurzad counters, he would put the Decrease Spd right back on them immediately, right?
Is there a team comp that can keep block damage up without decrease speed? Double Roshcard with a Demytha and 2 dps champs?
I run mithrala, helicath, roshcard, geomancer, aox. No decrease speed and warmaster required, i want the boss to keep taking turns.
hey bro I don't have Demytha but I have Helicath and roshcard could I use those 2 with those speeds???
Would double demthyas work? I don't have a heli or tower
I used this guy in a non unkillable team with wythir , mithrala, geo and godseeker …. 95 percent hit rate on 15 so far 👍🏻
Geomancer with block dmg feel like his passive is useless so he is there only for the decrease Acc and HP burn?
I got a question, Sir Nicolas put unlikeable not block damage, after the nerf that plarium will do, with Sir nicolas it will be good ?
Can this team be done with a roshchard and a warcaster? Sorry if this was said in the video I just didn’t catch it
is that the theme music from Stranger Things?
Who told you I was struggling?
Thank God they did lol
Hi i have a question since plarium ruined my unkillable team , its possible to have a good team with helicath and warcaster instead of the 2x maneater??
I salute you sir