OK, so I just found your channel and I absolutely love it. I am a member of a few watch groups on FB, and follow several watch groups on RUclips. I love your take on watches, and with all the information out there, it is very overwhelming. I'm looking to add another to my collection, and I completely passed over this watch because it's Chinese, until I saw this video. Great review, keep them coming!
I have two of these, one like yours in this video and also a panda dial version. I love both of them. I could not afford a swiss chronograph so I can't compare, but I really do enjoy these Seagull Chrono's! They both work great and keep very good time.
There is a saying: "What's the difference between a Chinese and a Swiss watch? Chinese are made in-house!" The chase for profits had made some Swiss brands sadly a material for a joke, that is why the late Hayek wanted to stop ETA from selling movements to third parties as he said everyone claimed they "made" watches, but in reality they made commercials and bought watch parts
The majority of Swiss brands import a lot of parts from China.....by Swiss law, they only have to produce the main components, which might be 30% of the watch, and put all those parts (Chinese and Swiss) in the watch in a factory in Switzerland and Voila, a Swiss made watch at Swiss made prices, which is 70% Chinese, it is all a big Swiss scam!!! Of course there are a few Swiss brand exceptions, but not too many...made in "CH" does mean China nowdays, at least if you buy a 100% Chinese watch, you are not lied too and ripped off!! Just my 2 Swiss francs....
Seagull has a rich history. I intend to get one when I am in China again. These along with some of Seiko's like the Cocktail Time, are beautifully designed.
Completely agree. This is a fine watch. Mine has been accurate and durable as well as being a thoroughly enjoyable piece. I feel people's negative reactions are generally from either ignorance or prejudice or both.
I agree with you that Value is the key word. I have had 2 Seagull automatic watches for 7 years, so far they are accurate, durable, and no any issues at all.
New Chinese PT 5000 clone ETA movement seems quite well received , the one I received in my San Martin BB Homage keeps +3to 4 sec per day. As you go down the price scale there are obviously a reduction in quality. Cronos and San Martin seem to produce a good quality watch worth the extra money. Most micro brands are made in China and many Swiss cases are manufactured in China.
In other words, a Mercedes-Benz is not a Mercedes-Benz. I have a few chinese watches and I like them. They are GOOD! Don't be fooled; Chinese have a great sense for quality and craftsmanship!
The Chinese know how to make quality stuff the problem is we in the west never get it they send us the crap and they keep the good stuff for themselves that's what I've heard anyway
Wait til you've been a mechanic for Mercedes-Benz before you start talking about Mercedes-Benz like they're GREAT or something. The electrical problems those things have, not unknown to start BEFORE 3 months old..... and guess where a large amount of the gear is made.....
@@OffGridInvestor Oh yeah, my 130K miles twelve year old Benz's electrical issues should haffta' start rearing their supposed ugly heads any time soon now... Please.
This is a true video showing you are an authentic watch collector as you explore the diversity among all watch makers. Chinese, Japanese, Swiss, German.... I have heard that Swiss watch maker was seeking for outsourcing their business when they looking to expand in the last centry and one of the first watching factory they were seeking is Tianjin watch making factory. Not sure about how the story end tho.
I own several Swiss Chronographs and a Seagull 1963. Fit and finish on the Swiss Chronographs is superlative, but at $300 it is tough to beat the Seagull. Also check out the Lexington chronograph from Mercer Watch. Uses the same movement as the Seagull but has a higher level of fit and finish at a similar price point.
Hey, I bought a Seagull 1963 about a year ago, then promptly dropped it on the bathroom tile. It broke, of course. My local watch repair guy wouldn't even try to repair it, saying he had no way to get parts. Your thoughts on repairability (or lack of it) detracting from the value of these watches?
I have a large collection of 1950's-70's electro-mechanical watches, along with several early 2000's Chinese multi-complication high-jeweled automatic Louis Bolle watches with Sea-Gull movements that still look new and keep excellent time to this day. They are truly stunning timepieces.
I just bought a Parnis Chinese watch with a Seagull movement. Fun to look at, sub seconds and a power dial that failed to top out and bottom out. "Leather" strap looked very cheap. $99 dollars from Amazon. They refunded my money and let me keep the watch which I sold for about $45.
Hi great watch, i am looking to buy one as well. Question are you sure that has the sapphire crystal? I see the real Sea Gull have the acrylic crystal and the Red Star brand has the sapphire. I see yours is the real Sea Gull because it has the extra 2 chinese letters above the 4 letters to say Teinjin watch company. Great watch either way, Im just trying to figure this out becuase i want the real one like yours :)
Why didn't you talk about the history of the movement, how the Chinese bought the machines and equipment from Switzerland, learning from the Swiss watchmakers back in the days so that they could start making watches in China.
Seagull is a very good company despite the fact that their movements are on so many fake watches out there,I really love their heritage serie,especially their reproduction of the first ever watch that is fully designed and build by Chinese manufacture originally called "five star watch",their issue is similar to ETA but definitely not the same case,they are selling their movements too,their movements are basically clones of several swiss movements that are no longer under the patent protection period,sort of like what Sellita is doing,it's a swiss design,although many suggest that Chinese companis can't make them good even with the swiss technology,but Seagull proved them wrong,their movements are actually very accurate,but because China has so many fake watch workshops,it really hurts their reputation,but that dosen't mean they can't make good watches,they actually have some fully in-house high end complex movements too.
@@lkkjhtemmexv1838 My law told me there are something called pattern, in the 60s, the Chinese govt bought the whole Venus factory including the tools and the PATTERNS and rights of production, ouya, my religion also told me smearing cause bad karma. 🥱🥱🥱
The movements are good for time keeping (sea-gull) but the hand finishing and general mess in the movement make them so cheep. They've found their niche in the market thats for sure.
Seagull produces its own movements, i have never tried one but people tell me that they are as reliable as Miyota movement series, so i may consider to buy a Seagull Diver in near future. Anyway, enjoy the Seagull.
yAHHA SEAQULL IS VERY GOOD, I LOOVE IT BUY I OWN pIAGET ALTIPLANO, DO YOU KNOW WHT IS IT? i SHOW YOU. MY LAST AQUISITIOON, ruclips.net/video/rzLxQIiWsFI/видео.html BUT I HATE IT -- I PREFER A SEAGULLL eta COPY. lol
I have the Sea-gull Ocean Star. I love it. Big at 44mm, but wears sweet on my seven and a quarter inch wrist. 13mm height so it fits under shirt cuffs easily.
China can make some very good quality stuff. Example: Milwaukee and Bosch power tools. Chinese factories build things to a price point. If you want to buy junk, they'll make junk for you. Example: Ryobe and Harbor freight power tools. If you want something better, they'll make that too. I've purchased several Chinese automatic replica watches and they're very well made (as per my watch guy, who WILL fix replicas if something breaks, such as a crown stem or something). My hat goes off to the craftsmen of China, who will supply anything you want. They're truly in the position that America was in 100 years ago; their general manufacturing industry is simply the new tech version of what we once had. Like us, they destroyed some of their environment to get there, but get there they did!
D.E.B. B Sad, but true. They want to move away from the cheap, conversation pieces for low-income markets but, they are the markets that are growing. If a reputable watchmaker wanted to go and setup production in China to make high end watches they could. But is it worth it? Industry insiders note that many native Chinese who can afford it eschew watches made at home. They prefer Tissot. So there you are.
They didn't destroy some of their environment they are destroying 'the' environment. And they didn't get to where you were on top of the world 100 years ago. They got to the top of the world and even you wouldn't be able to catch up with them for 100 years to come. Differences.
I think manufactured in china for a western company, according to their quality etc. is a big difference to "purely chinese" products. They certainly have very good products in some industries.
wow... BOLD statement... and YES... partially, you are right about that. Nowadays some of the swiss-made movements are not manufactured in Switzerland anymore. Under Swiss rules that are as precise as its clockworks, Golden Hawk can label its watches swiss-made as long as at least 50 percent of the value of the movement comes from Switzerland.
it means it is still well lubricated, when the oil thickens the balance would do oscillates less and it result in accelerating , not retarding.... 1 minute a month is absolutely possible, the same error as my seagull m182 sk....
@Kevvy Kim I have many swiss watches (iwc, zenith, omega, rolex, girard perregaux, breitling, universal geneve, ebel) and foreigner watch (torrini, seiko, capital) and often are swiss movements to need more maintenance than japanese / chinese... so it is not said that in their daily use swiss are better.... swiss have just more refined and detailed mechanism....
@@gildergreen9995 THE POINT HERE IS THEY DONT HAVE MONEY, POOR PEOPLE ARE POOR IN ALL SENSES, SO THEY WANT TO BUY A SHEIKO. aND BY THE WAY I AHVE TWO SHEIKOS HERE, AND I THINK IAM GONNA GET RID OF THAT SHIT THEY ARE PISSING ME OFF, IF HEY DONT WORK PROPERLLY AFTER THE FIX...EVERYTHING LOOKS AMZING INSIDE A SHEIKO, ALL APRTS POLISHED, THE METAL LOOKS SUPERIOR QUALITY, BU THE BALANCE (UNDERSIZED) AND THE HAIRSPRING IS A COMPLETE SHIT. I WANT TO SELL THEM...
Seagull were producing and supplying the replica factories for years before more recently, deciding to re-enter the market and release their own models. Good luck to them, the Swiss need a good kick in the arse and perhaps as consumers, we will all benefit as prices come back down to more realistic value.
I got a fairly reasonably priced Chinese smartphone and I got to tell you I'm pretty darn impressed!! I've had it for a couple years and it's holding up surprisingly way better than expected!
Watched 3 vids in a row and all were so tiresomely clickbait at least I know to never visit this channel again since there wasn't any actual content in any of them.
OK, SEAGULL, IS A COPY COPY FACTORY, EXISTS CAUSE ITS IN CHINA, CAUSE IF IT WAS IN EUROPE , HAD TO CLOSE DOORS. MOTIVE: COPYING PATENTS. TRY TO BUY A FAKE ROLEX WITH A SEAGULL INSIDE, IN EUROPE, SEE WHAT HAPPENS TO YOU AND YOUR WATCH IN CUSTOMS,
I own one of those watches and after 2 the chronograph seconds hand got and resets where ever it wants on the dial. Needless to that will be my last st-19 movement. I own three Hamilton watches with the 7750 and an omega moon watch pro with the mechanical non auto movement. In my opinion it's Swiss first followed by Japanese, china made movements at the bottom
Whatever you may think, the Swiss 1. Make quality products 2. They have figured out how to keep jobs in Switzerland 3. They are great at marketing. And unlike the Chinese they don't steal intellectual property from others. The Chinese that live under a repressive regime. No forces you to buy Swiss in the UK, Germany or France. Or any other free country for that matter. So buy what you want, personally I know why I buy Swiss watches and I am okay paying the price.
My Klaus Kobec Pilots watch is a beautiful example of a very high quality Japanese watch with a spectacular movement in it. Pick them up very cheap at thrift stores. It appears to have a sapphire crystal as well. Circa 1980s I believe.
they were infamous watches that claimed ridiculous RRP of around $2000+ and could be found for under $100 or much less.. they had a website but nowhere could one find anything about their maker. There were about 3 makes in their stable that had similar marketing structure at the time.
The smaller one with the acrylic crystal is on my bucket list. Also I believe that the smaller one has a completely clear caseback. No idea why Seagull found it necessary to scribble on the back crystal of the big one...
Snake Plissken Yup got a Mako USA for $265 and it has a Japanese in-house movement. Love the movement on it. After wearing it a ton I feel like I know what it's doing almost. Big fan of Orient.
Agreed strongly, but not a watches fan but with 25 yrs+ work life in watch movement manufacturing. I am 60yrs+, had bought a few 东方表（Orient ) for the juniors as gifts on various occasions.
Hi Mark , yeah I had my big part of my work life in 70XX , 7S 26/36, 4RXX( NH XX) , 6R XX and 8R XX . but those Orients are quite different from the 300K pcs/month that chunked out from my CURRENT work place.
I prefer vintage watches of all makes. However, if I were to buy a new watch.... other than the Seiko 5 and Casio digitals I have, I would buy this one. It is such a cool looking watch and the movement is wild.
It's a great looking watch, but having lived in China and seen some of that government's bullshit even in the 90's I have no desire to wear anything with that red star.
I agree Seiko movement automatic watch very nice , I also have a Android now called Aragon / a Seagull chinese tourbillon died within 1 1/2 year not a good watch , like this guy is saying better than a Swiss watch ?? Noooo
A limited edition Swiss watch from the entry level brands, Fortis, Oris, Heuer, etc, gains value at a rate between 2% and 5% per annum. As others point out below, a post II World War Seiko can easily increase 10% per annum. And of course, an half-million Euro hand made watch can easily double in value in the first few years after manufacture. A Tianjin Seagull is not up to that kind of valuation. Since this particular model is a reissue we can not yet tell the longevity of the steel used in its manufacture. But considering the incredible volumes produced by Tianjin and the standards of the Chinese steel industry, I would not expect these watches to last decades without heavy maintenance. There are plenty of users' reviews on-line that point to low assemblage quality control; there is no reason to think it is different regarding steel. Even if Tianjin stops manufacturing mechanical watches for good today, these watches would not become collectors items, given how flooded the market is. It is really hard to present such a watch as a worthy investment.
I love my $30 Wal-Mart Digital Timex. Runs accurately for years. If I smash or break it, I just head to the nearest Wal-Mart and buy another. Now thats value far exceeding anything presented in this video. Oh, I guess my friends may look down on me for having a cheap watch. Guess what, I DON'T care, if they do, they where not much of a friend anyway. 😄
I will admit, this is a Beautiful piece. The 38mm size is great a small wrist like mine and it's just a great versatile timepiece. For a mechanical chronograph, it's also not a bad price
I happen to agree the (parnis) watch is just about the same thing the materials which is used for the steel casing comes from (omega) fyi I got my 21 jewel parnis for $75.00 brand new on ebay
Why Chinese movement is better than Swiss? Sorry I own this seagull watch movement but I don't think the quality is good enough, but only very cheap. I bought it from web cost USD 100!
Coz you from HK, where locals hate mainland Chinese, despite years and years of support from them in every aspect. But back to the subject matter which is the Seagull quality, you might be right and you entitle to your own view. And so do I on my perception towards HK people.
I bought one of those chinese chronos based on this kind of biased review on youtube. Clearly a deception, quality is clearly not comparable with a Swiss, German or Japanese watch. Quality control sucks also, I had to send back the watch because hands were not correctly aligned and chrono resetting was misaligned too. And those blue hands sucks too, look like anodized aluminium at best, or worse, painted then cutted with a press.
350$. Don't get me wrong, I don't think this is a bad product and I know you can't have a swiss mechanical chronograph for that price. But seeing this video ans its provocating clickbait title, I have to react cause this statement is wrong. Chinese watches aren't better than Swiss/Japanese/German watches.
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frankly speaking, i'm a swiss watches lover, but when come to "truth value" for money, japanese brand seiko mustn't be forgotten
Amen!
Or German.....Sinn!
Jack Chua agreed
You're so right.....
binkymagnus yup! i love my U1 SDR-T
That's a sweet locking watch! And the movement just looks really cool!
OK, so I just found your channel and I absolutely love it. I am a member of a few watch groups on FB, and follow several watch groups on RUclips. I love your take on watches, and with all the information out there, it is very overwhelming. I'm looking to add another to my collection, and I completely passed over this watch because it's Chinese, until I saw this video. Great review, keep them coming!
I have two of these, one like yours in this video and also a panda dial version. I love both of them. I could not afford a swiss chronograph so I can't compare, but I really do enjoy these Seagull Chrono's! They both work great and keep very good time.
There is a saying:
"What's the difference between a Chinese and a Swiss watch?
Chinese are made in-house!"
The chase for profits had made some Swiss brands sadly a material for a joke, that is why the late Hayek wanted to stop ETA from selling movements to third parties as he said everyone claimed they "made" watches, but in reality they made commercials and bought watch parts
Well said! To put it simply, I feel like we should judge watch manufacturers by the quality of their pieces over the regions they come from!
In-house doesn't mean much
The majority of Swiss brands import a lot of parts from China.....by Swiss law, they only have to produce the main components, which might be 30% of the watch, and put all those parts (Chinese and Swiss) in the watch in a factory in Switzerland and Voila, a Swiss made watch at Swiss made prices, which is 70% Chinese, it is all a big Swiss scam!!! Of course there are a few Swiss brand exceptions, but not too many...made in "CH" does mean China nowdays, at least if you buy a 100% Chinese watch, you are not lied too and ripped off!! Just my 2 Swiss francs....
In Swiss watches in-house means a lot ... a lot of money for repairs and periodic service.
jpoupon66 you are right , but I believe it is 51%
Seagull has a rich history. I intend to get one when I am in China again. These along with some of Seiko's like the Cocktail Time, are beautifully designed.
+Tekhelet75 Great choices!
Check out the videos of the Seagull factory tour...Some beautiful movements.
Totally agree with your assessment. Your channel is awesome!
Just subscribed because I watched you with Federico and shout out to you both from Canada! Two cool dudes who just love watches like me.
Completely agree. This is a fine watch. Mine has been accurate and durable as well as being a thoroughly enjoyable piece. I feel people's negative reactions are generally from either ignorance or prejudice or both.
I agree, I've got one, is a nice watch. What's not to like?
Perfectly said
I agree with you that Value is the key word. I have had 2 Seagull automatic watches for 7 years, so far they are accurate, durable, and no any issues at all.
Great video. Well done. Welcome to the community ,I have a feeling you're going to be a real good ! Cheers
you have a good clear voice and talk sense, thanks!
New Chinese PT 5000 clone ETA movement seems quite well received , the one I received in my San Martin BB Homage keeps +3to 4 sec per day. As you go down the price scale there are obviously a reduction in quality. Cronos and San Martin seem to produce a good quality watch worth the extra money. Most micro brands are made in China and many Swiss cases are manufactured in China.
Gorgeous looking watch!
In other words, a Mercedes-Benz is not a Mercedes-Benz. I have a few chinese watches and I like them. They are GOOD!
Don't be fooled; Chinese have a great sense for quality and craftsmanship!
The Chinese know how to make quality stuff the problem is we in the west never get it they send us the crap and they keep the good stuff for themselves that's what I've heard anyway
Wait til you've been a mechanic for Mercedes-Benz before you start talking about Mercedes-Benz like they're GREAT or something. The electrical problems those things have, not unknown to start BEFORE 3 months old..... and guess where a large amount of the gear is made.....
@@OffGridInvestor I was referring to the chinese watches as "GOOD", not to a Mercedes-Benz.
@@OffGridInvestor Oh yeah, my 130K miles twelve year old Benz's electrical issues should haffta' start rearing their supposed ugly heads any time soon now... Please.
This is a true video showing you are an authentic watch collector as you explore the diversity among all watch makers. Chinese, Japanese, Swiss, German.... I have heard that Swiss watch maker was seeking for outsourcing their business when they looking to expand in the last centry and one of the first watching factory they were seeking is Tianjin watch making factory. Not sure about how the story end tho.
so it's 21 jewel. I always thought its the name of the watch "zi zuan" and i'm chinese...
Lmao same
Amazing watch! Couple years ago I found photo of this watch in the Chinese internet and loved it immediately. Thank you for your review!
Strongly agreed, thanks for the brave review
I own several Swiss Chronographs and a Seagull 1963. Fit and finish on the Swiss Chronographs is superlative, but at $300 it is tough to beat the Seagull. Also check out the Lexington chronograph from Mercer Watch. Uses the same movement as the Seagull but has a higher level of fit and finish at a similar price point.
Hey, I bought a Seagull 1963 about a year ago, then promptly dropped it on the bathroom tile. It broke, of course. My local watch repair guy wouldn't even try to repair it, saying he had no way to get parts. Your thoughts on repairability (or lack of it) detracting from the value of these watches?
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Great video! I agree with you and now I want one! DAMN YOU FOR SHOWING me!! ✅👍👍
Gotta admit it's gorgeous. Interesting demonstration, man.
I have a large collection of 1950's-70's electro-mechanical watches, along with several early 2000's Chinese multi-complication high-jeweled automatic Louis Bolle watches with Sea-Gull movements that still look new and keep excellent time to this day. They are truly stunning timepieces.
such a great piece! if i liked chronos i would still own it lol
Chronos def. aren't for everyone (especially modern ones) but I'm a sucker for the 'vintage style' of this 1963.
I am hoping that the Chinese watch Manufacturing become a more desire for quality , I am tired of the Swiss Arrogance !
Then buy Japanese! Duh
@@VanIsleNuckFan I was thinking the exact same thing!
Don't worry China is gonna take over everything
I just bought a Parnis Chinese watch with a Seagull movement. Fun to look at, sub seconds and a power dial that failed to top out and bottom out. "Leather" strap looked very cheap. $99 dollars from Amazon. They refunded my money and let me keep the watch which I sold for about $45.
I have a seagull automatic 300m diver, the fit and finish is outstanding, and it keeps time excellent.
Actually it's a good looking watch. I might have to get one for my collection, a great conversation piece, and for about $300? Hell yea.
this watch i really want to get one, classical
I agree because i have already owned many other chinese brands and they are really owesome and have good finishing and amaising accueacy.
Wow... 😊 The watch is really beautiful! 😊
Remind me of Ingersoll watch..made in China with superb precision. Real value..
xINGERSOLL IS AMERICAN COMPANY.
AND IS OWNED BY THE BRISTISH , ZEON WATCHES.
iMBECILEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I've been meaning to buy a seagull watch for a while now! A crazy deal for the price.
Awesome video.
It's a fine watch, I love mine. Good timekeeper too
Hi great watch, i am looking to buy one as well. Question are you sure that has the sapphire crystal? I see the real Sea Gull have the acrylic crystal and the Red Star brand has the sapphire. I see yours is the real Sea Gull because it has the extra 2 chinese letters above the 4 letters to say Teinjin watch company. Great watch either way, Im just trying to figure this out becuase i want the real one like yours :)
Why didn't you talk about the history of the movement, how the Chinese bought the machines and equipment from Switzerland, learning from the Swiss watchmakers back in the days so that they could start making watches in China.
You've just done such a beautiful explanation right there in a nutshell. ..maybe left it open for fans like you to join in and discuss. Good job.
Yes they did got a lot of fine things from Switzerland. And some of the Chinese factory's had more and better equipment than others.
Seagull ST1903 movement with the 24 hr complication is used in the Alpha "daytona" homage. I'm very interested in that particular watch!
Superb video! Could you please let us know where you ordered the watch from. Also, how would you rate this watch on durability?
in fact where is the "buy me" link?
So they stole the movement from Swiss Co. Venus. How am I not surprised...
Good analysis and presentation.
May i know where you bought it ? What is the price ?
Seagull is a very good company despite the fact that their movements are on so many fake watches out there,I really love their heritage serie,especially their reproduction of the first ever watch that is fully designed and build by Chinese manufacture originally called "five star watch",their issue is similar to ETA but definitely not the same case,they are selling their movements too,their movements are basically clones of several swiss movements that are no longer under the patent protection period,sort of like what Sellita is doing,it's a swiss design,although many suggest that Chinese companis can't make them good even with the swiss technology,but Seagull proved them wrong,their movements are actually very accurate,but because China has so many fake watch workshops,it really hurts their reputation,but that dosen't mean they can't make good watches,they actually have some fully in-house high end complex movements too.
THYE JUST COPY THINGS, MY TEACHER ALWAYS TOLD ME, SOMEONE WHO COPIES, WORTHS NOTHING.ZERO.
@@lkkjhtemmexv1838
My law told me there are something called pattern, in the 60s, the Chinese govt bought the whole Venus factory including the tools and the PATTERNS and rights of production, ouya, my religion also told me smearing cause bad karma. 🥱🥱🥱
i'm the 36th subbie. Got in early before you hit thousands of subs!
Handsome Smells Oh man. Thanks for such kind words, and of course thank you for the early support!! Means so much!
The movements are good for time keeping (sea-gull) but the hand finishing and general mess in the movement make them so cheep. They've found their niche in the market thats for sure.
You sold me. A truly marvelous watch. Absolutely love mine.
Seagull produces its own movements, i have never tried one but people tell me that they are as reliable as Miyota movement series, so i may consider to buy a Seagull Diver in near future. Anyway, enjoy the Seagull.
yAHHA SEAQULL IS VERY GOOD, I LOOVE IT BUY I OWN pIAGET ALTIPLANO, DO YOU KNOW WHT IS IT? i SHOW YOU. MY LAST AQUISITIOON,
ruclips.net/video/rzLxQIiWsFI/видео.html
BUT I HATE IT -- I PREFER A SEAGULLL eta COPY. lol
I have the Sea-gull Ocean Star. I love it. Big at 44mm, but wears sweet on my seven and a quarter inch wrist.
13mm height so it fits under shirt cuffs easily.
China can make some very good quality stuff. Example: Milwaukee and Bosch power tools. Chinese factories build things to a price point. If you want to buy junk, they'll make junk for you. Example: Ryobe and Harbor freight power tools. If you want something better, they'll make that too. I've purchased several Chinese automatic replica watches and they're very well made (as per my watch guy, who WILL fix replicas if something breaks, such as a crown stem or something). My hat goes off to the craftsmen of China, who will supply anything you want. They're truly in the position that America was in 100 years ago; their general manufacturing industry is simply the new tech version of what we once had. Like us, they destroyed some of their environment to get there, but get there they did!
D.E.B. B Sad, but true. They want to move away from the cheap, conversation pieces for low-income markets but, they are the markets that are growing. If a reputable watchmaker wanted to go and setup production in China to make high end watches they could. But is it worth it? Industry insiders note that many native Chinese who can afford it eschew watches made at home. They prefer Tissot. So there you are.
So many people turning up their nose... utterly ignoring that the apple they are holding was built in China
They didn't destroy some of their environment they are destroying 'the' environment. And they didn't get to where you were on top of the world 100 years ago. They got to the top of the world and even you wouldn't be able to catch up with them for 100 years to come. Differences.
I think manufactured in china for a western company, according to their quality etc. is a big difference to "purely chinese" products. They certainly have very good products in some industries.
@@alvesco96 yes, you can get quality and expensive purely Chinese made products. Have you heard of DJI drones?!
Hey T3, what do you think about stuhrling watches?
wow... BOLD statement... and YES... partially, you are right about that. Nowadays some of the swiss-made movements are not manufactured in Switzerland anymore. Under Swiss rules that are as precise as its clockworks, Golden Hawk can label its watches swiss-made as long as at least 50 percent of the value of the movement comes from Switzerland.
I bought a Parnis watch and it's really good.
Me too.
Me too. Value is the key word.
Me too , as good as my earlier Sandoz ETA of similar style watch , not an enthusiast though.
Same here bought 2 pcs.
I've got a Hangzou powered Rotary. After 4 years, with no servicing, it loses 1 minute a week.
Did you ever get your $100, Steven?
it means it is still well lubricated, when the oil thickens the balance would do oscillates less and it result in accelerating , not retarding....
1 minute a month is absolutely possible, the same error as my seagull m182 sk....
@Kevvy Kim I have many swiss watches (iwc, zenith, omega, rolex, girard perregaux, breitling, universal geneve, ebel) and foreigner watch (torrini, seiko, capital) and often are swiss movements to need more maintenance than japanese / chinese... so it is not said that in their daily use swiss are better.... swiss have just more refined and detailed mechanism....
@Kevvy Kim i HAVE A lONGINES, 15 / 20 SECONDS A WEEK, AFTER TWO DECADES.
@@gildergreen9995 THE POINT HERE IS THEY DONT HAVE MONEY, POOR PEOPLE ARE POOR IN ALL SENSES, SO
THEY WANT TO BUY A SHEIKO.
aND BY THE WAY I AHVE TWO SHEIKOS HERE, AND I THINK IAM GONNA GET RID OF THAT SHIT THEY ARE PISSING ME OFF, IF HEY DONT WORK PROPERLLY AFTER THE FIX...EVERYTHING LOOKS AMZING INSIDE A SHEIKO, ALL APRTS POLISHED, THE METAL LOOKS SUPERIOR QUALITY, BU THE BALANCE (UNDERSIZED) AND THE HAIRSPRING IS A COMPLETE SHIT.
I WANT TO SELL THEM...
Damn! That's a pretty watch. Most Chinese watches on amazon, gearbest and banggood look very gaudy. But this one is in a different league.
Seagull were producing and supplying the replica factories for years before more recently, deciding to re-enter the market and release their own models.
Good luck to them, the Swiss need a good kick in the arse and perhaps as consumers, we will all benefit as prices come back down to more realistic value.
chinese brand products are getting better and better day by day. Also chinese smart phones are reliable.
I got a fairly reasonably priced Chinese smartphone and I got to tell you I'm pretty darn impressed!! I've had it for a couple years and it's holding up surprisingly way better than expected!
And why? Because they buy companies with their knowledge and apply it then on their own products
@@nameless3919 China doesn't buy anything. They steal.
So long as Qualcomm gives them semiconductors.... lmao!
@@richardbroner9852mediatek....
Subscribed. Very good channel. A Real perspective on horology!!
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Could you review the Casiden watch?
Where did you buy yours? Thx!
in the first 39 seconds you've already admitted the title was a clickbait lie, christ
Watched 3 vids in a row and all were so tiresomely clickbait at least I know to never visit this channel again since there wasn't any actual content in any of them.
Agreed. I generally enjoy Jory, but when he stoops to such silliness it feels like a waste of time.
I visited Seagull factory several years ago, their workers are very skillful and take their jobs very serious.
+alongthebluff If this watch is any indication, I'd have to agree!
alongthebluff I
Agreed
OK, SEAGULL, IS A COPY COPY FACTORY, EXISTS CAUSE ITS IN CHINA, CAUSE IF IT WAS IN EUROPE , HAD TO CLOSE DOORS. MOTIVE: COPYING PATENTS.
TRY TO BUY A FAKE ROLEX WITH A SEAGULL INSIDE, IN EUROPE, SEE WHAT HAPPENS TO YOU AND YOUR WATCH IN CUSTOMS,
Really nice watch!
This is a really good movement
If Rolex had an extra caseback included in their watch it would literally cost $800
And a thousand dollars for the crystal.
I own one of those watches and after 2 the chronograph seconds hand got and resets where ever it wants on the dial. Needless to that will be my last st-19 movement. I own three Hamilton watches with the 7750 and an omega moon watch pro with the mechanical non auto movement. In my opinion it's Swiss first followed by Japanese, china made movements at the bottom
Compare the price... But my 1963 has been faultless in the four years I've had it.
Such a cool watch. I would be proud to have that in my collection.
Is there one with a day/date indicator?
Wages in Switzerland are mega high compared to UK/Germany/France....everything is very expensive. You're paying for that when you buy swiss
Exactly
Whatever you may think, the Swiss 1. Make quality products 2. They have figured out how to keep jobs in Switzerland 3. They are great at marketing. And unlike the Chinese they don't steal intellectual property from others. The Chinese that live under a repressive regime. No forces you to buy Swiss in the UK, Germany or France. Or any other free country for that matter. So buy what you want, personally I know why I buy Swiss watches and I am okay paying the price.
see Long Island Watches review of the same watch
Where did you get the watch? I checked around and the solid back cover is not supplied.
My Klaus Kobec Pilots watch is a beautiful example of a very high quality Japanese watch with a spectacular movement in it. Pick them up very cheap at thrift stores. It appears to have a sapphire crystal as well. Circa 1980s I believe.
they were infamous watches that claimed ridiculous RRP of around $2000+ and could be found for under $100 or much less.. they had a website but nowhere could one find anything about their maker. There were about 3 makes in their stable that had similar marketing structure at the time.
I have a Swiss watch, German watch, British watch, and a Japanese watch...and now I must have a Chinese watch
+Jo C Good call, man! :)
Jo C if you collect one watch from each country you gonna be prepared to go bankrupcy.
Jo C I like the thought!
Nice video ... and yeah lots of people are gonna hate it :D (keep it going ;) )
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The smaller one with the acrylic crystal is on my bucket list. Also I believe that the smaller one has a completely clear caseback. No idea why Seagull found it necessary to scribble on the back crystal of the big one...
+I Review Crap! This is the "small one"
where do you get this watch ?
Better get an Orient watch.. Great value and an in house movt.
Snake Plissken Yup got a Mako USA for $265 and it has a Japanese in-house movement. Love the movement on it. After wearing it a ton I feel like I know what it's doing almost. Big fan of Orient.
Agreed strongly, but not a watches fan but with 25 yrs+ work life in watch movement manufacturing. I am 60yrs+, had bought a few 东方表（Orient ) for the juniors as gifts on various occasions.
Orient is owned by Seiko.
Hi Mark , yeah I had my big part of my work life in 70XX , 7S 26/36, 4RXX( NH XX) , 6R XX and 8R XX . but those Orients are quite different from the 300K pcs/month that chunked out from my CURRENT work place.
Mark Gray Seiko doesn’t really have anything to do with orient
Great work mate!
I own one of these and it is awesome.
You have good taste, my friend!!
This is a seriously good watch. They also build the Seagull Seastar which is a fantastic diver's watch.
I prefer vintage watches of all makes. However, if I were to buy a new watch.... other than the Seiko 5 and Casio digitals I have, I would buy this one. It is such a cool looking watch and the movement is wild.
The red star on the dial is especially fashionable at you favorite riot to protest not getting enough free stuff from the government....
It's a great looking watch, but having lived in China and seen some of that government's bullshit even in the 90's I have no desire to wear anything with that red star.
dont you have a blood and soil rally to get to?
JJ B where's my right for habitat and vacation, you capitalist swine?
Yeah, I'll not be buying one for that very reason
so is that why the Macy's staffs go to parade in NY every year?
I prefer seiko for non-swiss watches. Btw that movement looks like crap...the display case back should be omitted and make the package cheaper.
I agree Seiko movement automatic watch very nice , I also have a Android now called Aragon / a Seagull chinese tourbillon died within 1 1/2 year not a good watch , like this guy is saying better than a Swiss watch ?? Noooo
Bro.ls there good watch at the moment?😊
I agree, thats a stunning piece for very little money. I want one now
A limited edition Swiss watch from the entry level brands, Fortis, Oris, Heuer, etc, gains value at a rate between 2% and 5% per annum. As others point out below, a post II World War Seiko can easily increase 10% per annum. And of course, an half-million Euro hand made watch can easily double in value in the first few years after manufacture.
A Tianjin Seagull is not up to that kind of valuation. Since this particular model is a reissue we can not yet tell the longevity of the steel used in its manufacture. But considering the incredible volumes produced by Tianjin and the standards of the Chinese steel industry, I would not expect these watches to last decades without heavy maintenance. There are plenty of users' reviews on-line that point to low assemblage quality control; there is no reason to think it is different regarding steel.
Even if Tianjin stops manufacturing mechanical watches for good today, these watches would not become collectors items, given how flooded the market is. It is really hard to present such a watch as a worthy investment.
I love my $30 Wal-Mart Digital Timex. Runs accurately for years. If I smash or break it, I just head to the nearest Wal-Mart and buy another. Now thats value far exceeding anything presented in this video. Oh, I guess my friends may look down on me for having a cheap watch. Guess what, I DON'T care, if they do, they where not much of a friend anyway. 😄
BigFoot Too not having to worry about damaging your watch is the ultimate luxury
I too have a Timex. Got it during high school. Lol
YOU LOVE YOUR 30 DOLLAR WATCH BECAUSE YOUR POOR.
@@lkkjhtemmexv1838 lolz I rate both Timex Ironmans and Mechanicals, nothing to to w/ being poor, just wise to value, hoo!
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would this be a good first crono? if not, what would be?
Clickbait deceptive titles are unbecoming. :(
rather have an apple watch series 3 or a bare wrist with nothing and just use my smart phone.
I will admit, this is a Beautiful piece. The 38mm size is great a small wrist like mine and it's just a great versatile timepiece. For a mechanical chronograph, it's also not a bad price
I happen to agree the (parnis) watch is just about the same thing the materials which is used for the steel casing comes from (omega) fyi I got my 21 jewel parnis for $75.00 brand new on ebay
Why Chinese movement is better than Swiss? Sorry I own this seagull watch movement but I don't think the quality is good enough, but only very cheap. I bought it from web cost USD 100!
Pok Wai Yip '&;
Coz you from HK, where locals hate mainland Chinese, despite years and years of support from them in every aspect. But back to the subject matter which is the Seagull quality, you might be right and you entitle to your own view. And so do I on my perception towards HK people.
What's wrong with the quality? Yeah, it's not a Rolex, but so what?
I bought one of those chinese chronos based on this kind of biased review on youtube. Clearly a deception, quality is clearly not comparable with a Swiss, German or Japanese watch. Quality control sucks also, I had to send back the watch because hands were not correctly aligned and chrono resetting was misaligned too. And those blue hands sucks too, look like anodized aluminium at best, or worse, painted then cutted with a press.
just say how much money did u pay for. good quality never cheap.
350$. Don't get me wrong, I don't think this is a bad product and I know you can't have a swiss mechanical chronograph for that price. But seeing this video ans its provocating clickbait title, I have to react cause this statement is wrong. Chinese watches aren't better than Swiss/Japanese/German watches.
cédric "cutted"?!!
I don't know the exact term in english. Maybe "stamped" is more appropriate...
cédric Absolutely!
Great review. Couldn't agree with you more.😊
What a beautiful watch , I like mechanical click clack sound to the watch , it makes it more desirable
Give it a hard shake and it's DONE for.
It has added shock resistance. Did you watch the video? This watch should be able to survive flight turbulence.
No.
We don't hate you, just question your taste and knowledge of the topic. Cheers.
Agreed... Pressed tin hands are unacceptable. Tin hands, comes in a tin box. Red flag
Looks very good !. Like to see it on a Timegrapher.
i really like this watch and you explain very good at watches