Why the ENGLISH HATE the GERMANS: More than just football rivalry?
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- Опубликовано: 22 авг 2024
- Germany versus England is one of the biggest rivalries in football. But it's also a fixture that carries a lot of historical baggage and often brings out the ugly side of the English fans. So, why do the English hate the Germans?
Why the ENGLISH HATE the GERMANS: More than just football rivalry?
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Im English but i dont hate Germany or German people. I actually think they are the only country in Europe we have a lot in common with. Beer, football, cars. Just Germans have always been a bit more efficient and not as emotional as us over the years.
I agree
Well english is a germanic language and the english are descended from germanic tribes that migrated to britain in the 5th century they migrated to britain as mercenaries and farmers angles from anglia southern denmark and saxons from saxony north and north western Germany so of course they would have a lot in common the english and Germans are cousins even queen victoria spoke german at her home and the royals are not called the windsor family their real name is saxe coberg they just changed it after ww1 to not give a bad image that they're german with all the trouble in ww1 and even in the US it was very common for people to speak german in their homes and in the streets before ww1 started they stoped speaking german for the bad image of Germany in ww1
This is the first time I've seen an English person describe their nation as "emotional", even if only in comparison.
@@handle_the_handle France is also originally made up of originally German tribes who got colonized by the romans and adopted their language afaik
Sorry to say that But for Germans we only have a rivalery with the dutch we actually do Not care so much about the english
England are on par with second tier teams in Europe. The big boys in Europe are: Italy, Germany, France, and Spain..
English football is trash
@@premlourembam6008 no its not.....it’s SHIT
@@mjh5437 Move on!! WW2, 1966, British Empire..what a bore!!!!!! ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
@@ezeee595 haha 2-0 England
Ich weiß nicht mehr wer es gesagt hat, ich glaub ein Historiker:
Großbritannien hat den Krieg gewonnen aber den Frieden verloren während Deutschland den Krieg verloren aber den Frieden gewonnen hat.
Sie haben recht.
Es ist sogar ein wenig schlimmer für die Briten, denn vor dem ersten Weltkrieg waren die Briten DIE einzige beherrschende Weltmacht. Nach dem zweiten Weltkrieg war das Commonwealth zerbrochen und es gab zwei neue Weltmächte Sowjetunion und USA. Danach (Wirtschaftswunder) sind die Briten sogar hinter die Deutschen zurückgefallen.
And that created the Brittish sarcasm.
Easier to accept....
@@minimax9452 naja kein wunder wenn man unsinn wie neoliberalen kapitalismus propagiert ....
@@minimax9452 Die Briten sind bereits Anfangs des 20ten Jahrhunderts hinter die Deutschen zurückgefallen.
To understand British antagony towards Germany, you need to look a tad further than the end of WW2. Actually you may want to check out the British Boulevard from, say, 1870 onward. As soon as there WAS a Germany (thanks to the confessional war, there was no actual Germany from 1648 onward), the British understood that they now had another economic rival on the mainland (in addition to France) and anti-German propaganda started almost immediately. And the British Boulevard still sticks to that tradition of blaming Germans and the continent for anything wrong in the UK.
But we only get in trouble with the english….🇩🇪🤝🏴🏴
I am a German from Dortmund living since 1983 in England and any football game involving either the National teams or club sides are a nightmare for me! I watched the "friendly" in March 2017 in Dortmund. It started a day before the game when English fans took over the market square near Reinoldikirche placing their not so friendly flags in front of their patch and basically started being a pain in the ar..! The evening of the match all was quiet and friendly outside the stadium with fans mingling talking and having a drink together until a group of "Fans" arrived and started singing the sort of songs you mentioned in your video. within 5 minutes all bars and Wurstbuden were closed down and so spoiling it for the real Fans! I fully agree with your comments you made! Thank you for it!
Grüße nach Dortmund ... aus Dortmund! 😁
Wenn Sie noch mehr Menschen ihres Schlages in GB kennen lieber Richie, könnten Sie die nicht davon überzeugen auch nach D zu kommen? Nette und reflektierte Menschen können wir hier gut gebrauchen! :-)
Na ja in UK werden die aber auch gebraucht - vielleicht zur Zeit sogar mehr als hier.
Great video, thank you.
I'm a German who supports England and all my friends hate me for this fact. I didn't watch the 2014 World Cup final because I was a tired little boy and that may be the reason why I never became a Germany fan. I began to sympathize with the English national team as soon as I learned English in school and the language began to impress me. Englands performance at the Euros in 2021 helped me through a really difficult period of my teenage life and I really love this team. I've been to the stadium at Germany vs England in 2022 and it was worth it. Didn't hear any racist/nationalist chants, just English fans raising a roof. I would love to have a real life talk with you, I really like your view from both perspectives
I'm German and have been in England several times... in my experience the english are very pro German... the view on Germany has changed in the last 20 years. I would even say Germans are the most popular foreigners in England and a second point is important, more and more English discovering their own Anglo-Saxon roots.. and this roots starting in northwest Germany my homeland.. 💓🏴🇩🇪😍
I d say you re slightly over optimistic there, mate
You are actually correct. All the latest world public opinion polls show that the British Public has so much love for Germany. But like in every country, you will always get idiots who will hate for things that happened many years ago, and football fans will always sing drunken songs and banter that may offend.
Was the first unofficial football game between England and Germany in the first world war at Christmas in no- man's land.
do the British actually know, that the German fans consider the Dutch the more serious opponent?
keine british, you mean englisch football ... scotish, irish and welsh fans really dont care, they also agree the netherlands is a much bigger threat than england is ...lol
@@jardon8636 the Dutch have no major trophies
@@barneygoddard993 lol, the recent UEFA-2020 euros ,
france 1 germany 0 and the netherlands beat ukraine,... enough said
@@jardon8636 no world cup
@@barneygoddard993 3 finals and a european cup.
I was in London shortly after the Brexit referendum. After I saw all the statues and memorials for the fallen soldiers and I admit, I was kind of shocked by what I observed. And then I happened to visit the sea travel museum - what mostly stuck with me was the part about the East India Company and the part regarding Nelson. The part about Nelson had all those "fan articles" related to him, and the part regarding the East India Company had a video in which someone explained what a "great trading relationship" India and the UK have nowadays….I think that was the moment I truly understood how Brexit happened.
@@humanbeing1675 Video vielleicht nochmal mit Ton anschauen? Redet Richie wirklich die ganze Zeit über Fußball? Tatsächlich?
How was Nelson bad? He defended the U.K. against the French in the battle of Trafalgar.
Brexit happened because people don’t like a lot of the EUs rules and regulations it has nothing to do with the British empire or similar excuses aimed at slandering the people who voted to leave. That’s an insignificant minority that people see as far bigger than it really is.
I love the british people, the british beer, the british country and the british black humor. There will be forever crazy football fans, germans fans are not much better. In my last holiday i was invited to a big bbq where i was the only german, as an engish old woman (in the 80s) comes to me and ask me if i am a bad kraut or a good kraut. I take those things with humor and says that i am a good kraut and i got my beer and meat. You have to take these things lightly with humor and you will find good friends who speak directly what they think, I love that too. Yours videos are vry good. Stay awesome.
Next time tell them you want a beer otherwise you'll be a sauerkraut! 😉
@@RichieZero that's a good one, greetings from Germany 😂
„Don’t mention the war!“ One of the best episodes of Fawlty Tours.
I mentioned it once but I think I got away with it.
Your observations aligns well with mine independent of football. The people in GB have a superiority complex. And it reflects in politics.
On one hand they know that they are no longer a superpower, a wold ruling country. On the other hand they have the national pride of a wold-power. This is what the schools tell, what the media tells. And this dissonance breeds nationalism, hate and anger. The feeling being suppressed despite being powerful. The feeling of being robbed of the deserved place in the world.
In Germany it's the opposite, we got told, we are only one of many, we're nothing special, we are average at best, what we have to atone for the past. But we can see how powerful we are, what have archived. This dissonance also results in nationalism, hate and anger. The feeling being suppressed despite being powerful. The feeling of being robbed of the deserved place in the world.
And in both cases it's Eu's fault in their minds. Suppressing the Powerful and sucking them dry. An each of the Nationalist extreme groups have their story how it happens.
But of course the reality is not as simple. The states in Europe are to small, and to fragile to exists alone. We need each other and have to support each other to secure our own countries. Even Germany is only a small player compared to the USA and China.
England vs. Germany. On of the most important rivalries in football.
Holland: Just wait a sec...
Because Germany usually always be better than England
I’m English and love German people and Germany. Still really want to beat them in the football though
It is not Wrong having the desire to be victorious, as long as you don't take it too far. Greetings from Germany.
And we love our english cousins
We are crap on penalties lol.
@@alcoholicjoe6199 5 out of 5 dude. Never could have imagined it!
Well done for the explanation. I recommend Tony Judt’s book ‘Postwar’ (German title “Geschichte Europas nach 1945“). It doesn’t treat football but apart from being brilliant as a piece of history writing, it has a whole chapter on the parallel evolution of Britain and Germany after the war.
I think especially England has a terrible cultural problem with acknowledging its true history and the darker side of its culture - matters that as a German you’re not free to escape as far as German history is concerned. Apart from the tabloids, there are also constant references to the war on lots of entertainment and even documentary programs on television. True, it was the “finest hour”, but the story is being retold in so many ways that the English idea is almost that Britain beat Nazi Germany single-handed. Forgetting, among other things, the small matter of 20 million deaths on the side of the Soviet Union that was left to bear the brunt of the effort for several years on end. Technically you can say that in 1940 the Soviet Union wasn’t on the same side as Britain... but as your video points out, there’s a difference between wars and football matches.
I'll check out the book. Thanks!
Mit den Engländern ist es beim Fußball ähnlich wie mit den Österreichern. Sie glauben tatsächlich, dass auch von Deutscher Seite eine Rivalität bestehen würde 😅
Great peace of work Richie!! Can't believe that you have already put my suggestion into practice!
It was highly interesting for me to see the perspective of someone who knows both cultures. Although I understand the historical context of England during the 20th century, it is still shocking that so many people accept or even support those chants/headlines.. I mean we are still talking about human beings who were killed, I don't really care about their nationalities.. When I was in Manchester for a semester abroad, I also experienced this slight anti German sentiment and back then it came out of the blue.. Anyway, I hope especially the younger generations do not subscribe to this bullshit anymore! Also really interesting what you experienced at the England away games! Do you think there is a solution to overcome this backward-looking trait? This was really great, could have been part of one of my cultural studies lectures! Hut ab!
Es war eine ganz geile Idee! Die musste ich einfach umsetzen!
As I say in the video, I think the tabloid press has a lot to answer for. Now we have the added problem of fake news on social media which is not even subject to any real scrutiny. It's a tough one. Education, education, education .... maybe?
@@RichieZero I guess there will be bitter education by facts. As UK starts to go its own way, it will soon learn about its real position in the world the hard way. This is on the one hand sad and bitter, but on the other it will also discover its still existing capabilities and chances and how important cooperations at least with Scotland or some Common Wealth countries are. I think it will get on its track towards Europe even if maybe not into EU. We should not forget, that there are many clever ordinary middle class people without the attitude of a Rees-Mogg. There were people like Madeleina Kay or Jo Cox which had some impact and their sisters and brothers will take over one day. Who would have foreseen 1989 peaceful revolution in 1945? On the other hand: "Denk ich an Deutschland in der Nacht..." kann einem Angst werden. In vieler Beziehung ist das hässliche Deutschland zurück. Größenwahn, Mißgunst, Engstiirnigkeit und Xenophobie werden in Deutschland stärker. Auch da spielen die Sozialen Medien eine große Rolle. Noch profitieren wir von der Geschichtserinnerung und dem Tourismusweltmeistertitel, aber jetzt wo Reisen schwierig wird und Abstieg droht, die deutsche Industrie wackelt und die Nachbarn kritische Fragen stellen wird es schnell ungemütlich. Ein Klima der Angst und Einschüchterung macht sich breit. Es steht eine Bewährungsprobe - vielleicht die größte seit 1945 zumindest aber seit 1989 bevor.
1966. No goal! Never!😜
Bernd, Essen.
Greetings from Netherland
It was a goal! Just look in the record books! 😜
The Englanders were the slightly better team then. Greetings from 🇩🇪
@@RichieZero Yes it was a goal. Goal is when the referee decides it is one.
@@franhunne8929 Eine ältere englische Lady hat für mich mal den ultimativen Kommentar zu dieser Disskusion abgegeben. "Ihr habt so viele Titel, gönnt uns doch den einen" Yepp. Mehr braucht man dazu nicht zu sagen. :-)
No you beat us times but we won THAT time as it was a goal.
I've been following your videos for a while now. This one has the most educational content yet. What was new for me was that in England there is practically only Yellow Press.
I also have a soft spot for England, by the way. I remember standing with a friend in downtown Dortmund during the 2006 World Cup and saying, "If Germany gets kicked out, we'll become English. I had jerseys anyway.
I feel the rivalry between Germany and England is also a rivalry with respect.
It greets: an Eintracht Frankfurt supporter from Bochum, who also sometimes stands in the Ostkurve. Bembel & Fiege!
Thanks for the great feedback, Björn!
Germany were always my second team when I was growing up in the UK. Even back then when they were a lot less entertaining than now. The rivalry intensified for me when I moved here but I'm happy to carry both passports and wear both shirts.
Hoffentlich sieht man sich bald wieder in der Ostkurve.
Frankly...I honestly don't think that there are particularly strong feelings about the English team on the German side. I mean, yeah, it is a "classic", but frankly, I wouldn't even remember those 5:1 game if not for the English bringing it up all the time....To me the big "rivals" of the German team are Italy and Argentine, with the Dutch team taking place three, though that is by now more a "fun" rivalry. But Italy and Argentine, those are the games which are truly legendary (and often frustrating, when Italy wins again and Argentine cheats again). Games against England, well, I am just not particularly emotional about them. Though it is always fun to watch the English pundits before the game (when they explain how great the English side is this time and how weak the German side supposedly is) and then after the game (when they are all shocked that England has predictably lost against a stronger side).
That leaves out the Guardian, The Independent and the Times ... I have a very soft spot for the Grauniad.
the reason for the green German away kit is Ireland. Ireland was the first country who played a football game against Germany in the end of the 40s......therefore the germans choose green as away shirt color..
I was 9 when I watched us lose on pens in 96 and I remember my joy and disbelief watching the 5-1 win in 2001. My grandad however was German so I’ve always had a soft spot for them and German football and always cringed at the references to the war from English fans when even talking about Germany as a football team.
You have a really unique perspective then. I grew up with Germany pretty much.my second team too. Thanks for watching and commenting again, Dan.
@@RichieZero It is not so unique... Sir Peter Ustinov mentiones in his book "Achtung Vorurteile!" His contact with the British Army and how he agreed on fighting the Nazis, but not killing the Germans with joy due to his relatives. All this kind of "group building" based on othering forgets about the inbetweeners, which almost always exist sometimes even very close to you. However, without simple propaganda you cannot win a war. Therefore Ustinov is more sensibly joking than condemning it.
Some comments on football (big German football fan here):
1. As said in multiple comments, THE big rivalries from a German perspective are Netherlands and Italy. Germany consistenly won against arguably better teams from the Netherlands, the pinnacle being the 1974 final win against the Netherlands having true giants like Johan Cruyff. That Netherland side was actually one of the best teams ever to play world cup while the German side - far from being a bad team - just stubbornly refused to loose the game. Next, there is Italy, which is the Nemesis of German football. For some reason, any German team just seems to be incapable of defeating an italian team. The 1970 semi-final between Germany and Italy, which Italy won 4:3, is uniformly called the "Jahrhundertspiel" (game of the century) and widely acknowledged as one of the best football games ever in WC history.
2. In the last 10 years or so, many british football fans visit german football games of the Bundesliga. Apparently, many british football fans consider the Bundesliga more attractive than Premier League. Prices are apparently much more attractive in Germany and you can have beer in the stadium. Going to a game of your favorite team on saturday and sunday along with some friends to watch the game, have some fun and some beers, is as German as it gets (well, if you are into football). And a lot of british fans seem to like it. I got in contact with a lot of them over the years and they are uniformly nice chaps, enjoy the game, behave and have fun. Not a single sign of racism or hatred. Unfortunately, racism and hatred are also present among German "fans".
One thing I absolutely admire is the british sense of sportsmanship. Whenever given the choice of watching a game with british commentary or german commentary, I always pick the british commentary. The German commentary is about as exciting as watching paint dry, while the brits always go over the top commenting the game and I absolutely love and adore it.
Jedenfalls vielen Dank für den tiefen insight in die englische Denke ...
I'm not a football fan and the behaviour of British fans (and people in general) that still bang on about the war make me ashamed to be British. I'm from the same part of the world as you (I grew up in a village just outside Rotherham, although now I live in Leeds) and it seemed particularly rife there. The whole Brexit fiasco played on these simpletons' belief that things were amazing back then and if we tread our own path we can somehow recapture. If we Brits could just stop being fixated with an imagined glorious past and looked more to the future maybe we could be more successful and closer to Germany. I feel that there are many similarities between the Germans and British - far more than these idiots realise.
Haha shut up 😂
Ye little prick. The fact you diseragrd history shows you are a prick. Anyone who uses words like jingoism these days are just angry with Brexit. They've never heard of that word before brexit. We should be proud of the raf and historical events have always been sung about. Its normal.
Dear Andy d.: i am German and always felt the reason for brexit was to establish the Empire again, I totally agree with you and wish you all the best lots of love from Germany
Well I’m a Brit and a footie fan but am also embarrassed by English fans banging on about WW2. If we weren’t so shite they wouldn’t need to make up for it with false bravado.
@@jackkruese4258 Its weird you used the phrase "fake bravado" and used it completely wrong hahahah
As a German I'm grateful for your reflections on war allusions. We are pretty fed up with it.
The rivalry between England and Germany is a bit like the one between Hertha and Schalke. One side is very invested in it while the other side doesn't really know they are supposed to be rivals.
A friend of mine did live in London for 3 or 4 years, one of these being the year with that 1-5 defeat. Everything was fine for her, she liked her wonderful colleagues and left London rather sad. Except for those 4 weeks before that match and those 4 thereafter. English people literally seem to go mad when a German match approaches.
Btw is it true you can't buy the sun in Liverpool?
I'm German and I do not hate the English at all! Great rivalry on the pitch, but it ends there! That being said, our biggest rivals are the Dutch!
the most funny part about this is that germany is THE ULTIMATIVE rival for england in football, while for germany, england not even makes the top5 xD most people have no idea about wembley goal or what year it was or in what game no one cares we are so often worldcup winner why care about this one funny nation xD biggest rivals are for sure netherlands and italy and then theres a big gap before nations like brasil france and even austria come long before england xD
I was in a disco in Germany that had televisions around the room. Some English walked in there. The match being shown was Germany v Czechoslovakia. This group of Englishmen said 'Come on the Czechs beat the fxxking Germans.' How there wasn't a fight in the disco I don't know.
The English had some balls.😂
Great video, really well explained. I really like my football but I dread whenever the internationals come around. Some of the fans make me really embarrassed and ashamed to be English.
They need to do more to deal with stupid fans because it was a real pain to see their idiocy during the Euros.
British Football Fan: Our big Rival the Crowds
German Football Fan : Thank God its not the Netherlands
I think the football rivalry between England and Germany is a little one-sided. For Germans the bigger rivalry is Holland.
Now on the political analysis, I couldn't agree more. I also fear that the anti-German sentiment in the UK is a clinging to the old Empire by reliving the last meaningful victory on the world stage. That's both understandable and very sad. Living in the past means living among ghosts while giving away the future. The Empire won't come back. Just take the Indian car-Company Tata buying the British Jaguar. Despite of the permant seat on the UN security council Britain has made itself irrelevant on the world stage. If they embraced the future it could have been quite different, and I still think it is possible. The problem with Germany as it is lamented for centuries is that a fragmented Germany is too weak for stability and a unified Germany too strong for it'S neighbours to control. But that is old thinking. Without a united Europe, Germany will be irrelevant too. Now we all have our issues with the EU, but leaving, as the Brits did cannot be the answer in a globalized world No European country is strong enough (economically or militarily) to play with the big boys, the US, China, Russia, and who knows maybe India in the near future.
Having said all that about mistakes that I think the British made, it is also important to view the German view on Britain. While I don't see the football rivalry, I can see a political and cultural rivalry, on the German side even envy towards the Brits. The German inability to understand British thinking contributed heavily to both world wars. Especially on the part of Kaiser Wilhelm II.
The only Germans I hate are the ones who hate the U.K., want to see it destroyed and enjoy seeing our football team lose. Also, the ones who blame Brexit on “British empire nostalgia” as if many people would risk the dangers of leaving the EU on a stupid reason like that. The EU will likely fail because even after Brexit it fails to consider the reasons why Britain voted to leave and instead they just blame it on “empire nostalgia” and racism.
Hate the Empire it’s used as a stick to beat the English.
@@Valencetheshireman927I mean,who wants to see other country win?
@@Valencetheshireman927for example,if your country England were to play against Germany,you would hate if they win right?
@@AzizDoufikar2280 Sorry but I think you misunderstood my comment. I was talking about Germans wanting to see England lose even when Germany isn’t playing them
Wonderful. The world needs more people like you! Thank you!
people that can differenciate the colour of the press but not the owner ? LoL
It is strange and I often noticed, that the feelings other nations had about germans, were not much different than germans had about the jews, which was xenophobia.
See harald Schuster's comment. As an American, i dont really have a dog in this fight, it does seem rather odd the way the British have hung onto that! it must be a super power rivalry more than just an old war wound. My understanding is Germany is considered the heart and brains of the EU. France is the other, less important brother, and the rest fall in line and suck out the benefits of Germany's HIGH savings rate. When the whole Greece bail out thing happened I heard there was a lot of animosity towards Germany..
It's kind of tragic, because the Germans really love the English, despite recent annoyances. It's a bit like the nerd loves the diva. I always felt the English like to dislike other nations. Because really, who do they like? It's funny when they become apologetic about their dislike of Germans. I had a drunk guy on the underground explaining to me that the English do not really hate the Germans, who they really hate are the French. Another version is, "well, we are all one tribe". There is only one national tabloid newspaper but there are a few regional ones like the Hamburger Morgenpost. But I get your point. Also great analysis.
Hi conenecting the dots! I am English I do not hate the Germans I see them as cousins and I hate how people link matches to ww2 as we both done terribl things in parst so we have to learn about it and move on and Germany has done that very well. The bantar should be pure football. It is not good to hate country's some I don't like so much for political reasons but try to keep open mind when meat individuals from those country's.
@@MrColincrewe ❤️
It’s far more than just football. It is envy caused by a huge English inferiority complex. It caused Brexit and continues to fuel the football rivalry. Because while England mourns a long lost history of a once glorious British Empire, Germany has become the most successful and powerful economy in Europe.
Au contraire mon frère. Europe is a lost cause and Germany one of the poorest countries of this insane project.
Treetalkerable1 Mankind is a lost cause. But that’s another story.
@@1Treelover We are one of the poorest countries? Why are we then paying the highest contribution?
@@franhunne8929 very good question!
@@1Treelover This is news to me! During the Greek bailout all we heard about is whether the Germans would underwrite the loans? When did you guys become poor? Or is that what Merkel tells you so you dont ask too much from the government?
I'm German and have a lot of english, irish, scottish friends! Having working in a Pub for 15 years I can say, that there is a lot of friendly banter going on, but it stops there!
Die Royal Family hat ja Deutsche Wurzeln. Der Prinzgemahl von Königin Victoria war Albert von Sachsen-Gotha
Great Video, but you mentioned the war!
😂 I did! Turns out it's kind of important in the history of Anglo-German relations. Who knew?!?!? 😉
Germany. Technological power house of EUrope, solidarity. My first choice 🎄
Thanks for this pretty cool video ! I was a bit surprised by this song about on shooting the german bombers down by the RAF, did not hear tat before. Also, not so many years ago, when the Queen herself inaugurated a monument for Arthur "Bomber" Harris, for bombing lots of german cities down and killing so many germans, like in Dresden, in collaboration with the USAF. I mean, I know about Coventry etc. but you shouldn't sum up crime against crime. I also once was in a holiday in Greece, where a lot of british tourists were also in the hotel, where in a restaurant an old englishman started singing a song about sinking Nazi Ships, smiling in my face (I smiled at him too) and I bet he knew I was german. After that I thought I should have said something like "Well done, Tommy" just to be curious about his reaction. Ok, as a war veteran I understand his behaviour but I don't understand those youngsters who do not really reflect what they are doing.
And I like English culture, like the music (Beatles etc.) and the humour like Monty Pythons or Rowan Atkinson in the Black Adder Series. Also I met lots of elder british tourists i.e. in my favourite hotel in Chiang Mai, Northern Thailand, with whom I had a lot of interesting conversations.
Black Adder was so good!
Dat englische Fanlied mit den 10 Bombern ist kein problem.1. Die meisten Deutschen vberstehen es nicht (oder wollen es nicht verstehen) 2.Frotzeln gehört doch beim
Fussball auch irgendwie dazu.OK manche übertreiben es und Dummköpfe gibts nunmal leider überall.
So doof sind die Deutschen auch wieder nicht. Allerdings sind deutsche Fangesänge auch nicht immer besser: Hört ihr das Gestöhne - eure Fans sind H...söhne" wäre eine typische Antwort und das ist nun auch nicht viel besser. Ich glaube die meisten in Deutschland fanden das damals einfach etwas unnötig und peinlich für England. Wenn man allerdings sieht, was heute im Land passiert: AfD, Hanau, Halle, NSU, dann ist diese politisch inkorrekte Erinnerung aus England vielleicht gar nicht so unangebracht gewesen, denn ein gewisser nationaler Überschwang hat 2006 auch Deutschland erreicht. Interessant ist ja auch, dass der Gesang eher eine englische Spezialität ist. Schottland, das theoretisch ja mitsingen könnte spart sich das eher.
I am a German and I agree in al all points!
Great video Ritchie!!! You are most knowledgeable about football!!
Do you consider the Quarter-final for the 1972 European Championship at Wembley Stadium an important match?
European Cup 3 Time's ,Women's Team has Won World Cup 2 Time's, European Women Cup 8 Time's, Junior Team won Numurious Title
We German's has Won World Cup 4 Time's 🇩🇪🇩🇪🇩🇪🇩🇪🇩🇪🇩🇪🇩🇪🇩🇪 That's why German's are Number one, Very Beautiful also..
Living on an island does have an effect on the population.....
How is that then now ?.
Sehr gutes Video 👍. Ich denke aber, dass du einen wichtigen Aspekt des "Verhaltens" der englischen Fans gegenüber den deutschen vergessen hast: Kompensation.
Auf der einen Seite hast du Deutschland, fast immer Vorne mit dabei, viele Titel, hinzu kommen wohl auch die unterschiedlichen Philosphien bezüglich der Fankultur innerhalb der Bundesliga bzw. der PL. Verein vs. Unternehmen, Inklusion vs. Exklusion (der Fans). Partizipation vs. "Kundschaft".
England hat als Nationalmannschaft lange nichts gewonnen, lange nicht überzeugt (Ausnahme 2018).
Es gibt quasi keine Stehplätze mehr in den Stadien, die Ticketpreise sind exorbitant hoch, die Stimmung in den meisten Stadien kommt eher einem Theater denn einem Fußballstadion gleich.
Die "Urfans" des Fußballs sind die Proletarier, die "Working-class". Dieser "Stand" ist auf der einen Seite nicht mehr in der Lage, die hohen Ticketpreise zu zahlen und auf der anderen Seite stark erodiert (auf beiden Seiten).
Die Urfans des englischen Fußballs sind somit mehr oder weniger von ihrer nationalen Liga ausgeschlossen und können dann, wenn ihre Nationalmannschaft spielt, besonders Auswärts, die berühmte "Sau" rauslassen und ihr Frust + die lange Durststrecke ihrer Mannschaft kumuliert somit in einer Art Kompensation, was in der Verunglimpfung ihrer Deutschen Rivalen gipfelt.
Your Shirt needs another Star,
Germany wins the World Cup 4 times.... 😘😘😘
No Germany has only won 1 World Cup. West Germany has won 3.
@@samhall3569 That just means we could have won even more if it was united earlier.
@@pcs54 I will agree to your argument, provided you as a representative of Germany agree to no penalty shoot outs in tomorrow's game?
@@samhall3569 your comment is stupid. West Germany is basically the majority of Germany. Germany 4 World Cup England only 1 World Cup. And Germany has 3 Euros. Germany > England. Germany 1st grade team along with the likes of Italy, Spain, France. England 2nd grade team.
@@palestineadesanya1996 I'm sorry facts upset you! Did you feel like a 1st grade team watching England in the QF?
well as a German born half welsh half german bloke living in Britain since the 1980 I experience the hatred againmst Germans and Germany daily.
WW2 and the Nazis seem to be a real obsession in GB (just one example: www.focus.de/panorama/welt/royales/william-kate-hochzeit/tid-21915/royale-skandale-prinz-harry-und-das-nazi-kostuem_aid_616344.html), not only in football, which I always found irritating. What about the rest of history? WW1 and before? How are history and geography lessons in british schools? What do the pupils learn? I have never been to a british school, so I don´t know. Another aspect is learning foreign languages. In a Gymnasium pupils have to learn 2 foreign languages, a concious decision which has been made afte WW2 because learning languages means learning about other countries, cultures, ways of expressing things &c. and thus opening up one´s mind. I have the impression that in GB this is not the case (although I don´t know for sure) or at least not mandatory. Everybody else in the world speaks English so there is much less need.
I have the impression that the relationship between GB and D (or the German speaking world) has always been a bit of a love-hate affair, an ambiguity between admiration and rejection on either side, a constant creative contest, be it music (G.F. Händel, Haydn, Mozart in London, Beatles, Rolling Stones &c.), literature (Shakespeare in D), engineering (18th cent. onwards), football. And then there´s the Royal Family. It struck me how close the two languages are, at least the Saxon part of it, when I red Chaucer. I sometimes think D and GB are a bit like a pair of brothers.
Hi an old comment but let me answer anyway. Yes sadly WW2 is very important to the Brits, here is just one opinion I have as a Brit. Obviously in our history GB has done a lot of pretty unpleasant things empire, slavery, exploitation of third world countries etc and let’s face it no country gets as powerful as we once were without acting that way. And WW2 allows us to think of ourselves as the good guys thus subconsciously cleansing older past crimes. Just my take on things.
BTW I’ve been learning German for 3 years and totally love your language.
Viele Grüße Aus England
Da sind Deutsche Fans aber auch nicht besser, proportional zum Alkoholkonsum ;) edit: the difference is regular fans start the game tipsy and are drunk later on. english fans start drunk and end up wasted.
Great assessment 👍
England vs Germany is our biggest rivalries in the world.
Good video Ritchie and hopefully one like you I’ll be living in Germany the land of my dreams leaving behind the horrors and fools paradise of Brexitland.
Back to the video, it gave me food for thought and I think it’s a rivalry that’s a one sided affair. England see us as there main rivals but as a Germany fan the main rivalries from my point of view are Holland and Italy.
When Germany play England it’s a case of an Elite member playing against a wannabe it is not a meeting of equals in any way shape or form.
I am from the Netherlands, but 52 years in Germany. I don't think that it is hate, because many British have German ancestors! ( or maybe because that?) Dutsch and Germans are also fighting because of Football! Kkkkkk. It is Childess but, we don't take that so serious.
I think we must see this games as games, and not personally.
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are English football fans xenophobic? yes, of course, just remember what happened at last year. but not only the English football fans are as Brexit has proven
Wait a moment. The English hate the Germans? This is new to me, I like the English. Their language, their music and their humor. Ok don't mention the food but the beer is great and i like their fairness in sports.Their play hard, but thei're not squeamish either.And when the German team is thrown out of the tournament, I'm always for them. If they are still in.The fact that thei cite their great victories in the past also shows how seriously thei take Germany as an opponent in football.We also use military terms in sports.Bomber, Granate, Bollwerk, Kanone and many more.
Maybe, it is a bit comforting that there was similar relationship in footbal between Germany and the Netherlands and Germany and Sweden including rather brutal games influenced by the war experiences with climax in 1988 and 1990 with really terrifying moments. Somehow we got over it and today the relationship is much better and more relaxed.
Anyone pushing hate and politics at sport events is ignorant, disgusting, and evil.
Cos Germany have 4 World Cups and 3 Euros and English are Jelous
I measured it. It was no goal. Exactly 7.6 cm where missing, but the wrong decision was not Englands fault.
Ihr Englisch und Deutsch zusammen ist großartig. Ihre Argumentation ist klar. In dieser Argumentation ist auch ein Brexit möglich.
If I would meet britains singing the bomber song, I would totally sing along with them. Thank you to all the brave young men that freed us from the fascists! ❤ As a left wing I don't consider the war as lost, but as won. I can understand the hate, but I hope one day all peolpe can be friends. Also I'm sad the UK left the EU.
Kind regards from ruhr pocket
ah i love that bias :D
1966 the linesman said 'in' - 'nuff said
2010 the really strange decision by the referee xDD
The war has never a winner!!!
I'm English but I can't watch England games anymore when the world cup is on because of the behaviour; so embarrassing. Some so called "fans" take things way too far and sadly there is a lot of them as well.
It's not a rivalry, the english just don't like the Germans because they've dump us out of tournaments. Our real rivalries are Scotland and Argentina.
Würde mich mal interessieren wie groß der Marktanteil von Bildzeitung und den englischen Tabloids jeweils ist und ob das da so einen großen Unterschied gibt.
Geiles video👍
Danke! 👍🏼
Hi Richie... Wäre cool wenn du die englischsprachigen videos untertitelst oder so für diejenigen die wenig bis gar kein englisch können
Ja, hast Recht. Lässt sich auch direkt bei RUclips machen. Ist nur ziemlich viel Arbeit. Ich schaue ob ich Zeit habe. Wenn ich die Stadion-Vlogs irgendwann wieder mache, dann auf Deutsch. Im Moment mache ich alles nur ein bisschen durcheinander.
@@RichieZero ja das es viel arbeit ist denke ich mir aber sollst keine langeweile bekommen 😉
Schöne Grüße und bleibt gesund
Sehr gutes Video, danke das du versuchst deinen Landsleuten Deutschland 🇩🇪 näher zu bringen! Jetzt habe ich aber noch eine Frage zum Brexit, ich möchte vorrausschicken ich bin Deutscher und habe 20 Jahre in Frankreich 🇫🇷 gelebt. Was hältst du von den Leuten die bei dem Brexit Referendum "nicht" gewählt haben (ca 30 Prozent). Ich bin von diesen Leuten sehr enttäuscht 🙁! Ich könnte jetzt noch mehr schreiben. Aber ich denke das reicht. Ich wünsche dir noch einen guten Tag.
Could you imagine Klopp becoming manager of the British national football team ???
I know - at least for the forseeable future - he won´t be interested but maybe "eventually" ?
Or would something like that be unthinkable ("unbearable") for the British public - not withstanding his achievements at LFC.
I will never forgive him for turning L***rpool into a decent team! 😉
P.S. There is no British national team
@@RichieZero I know but couldn´t resist to tickle ...
So much for "unity" in the UK. It´s actually a divided kingdom at an increasing number of levels.
@@RichieZero Klopp should have done it with BVB, right ? Duck und weg ...
I think Klopp is great. I'll always associate him with the final day of the 2. Bundesliga season 2001/2002
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I think the hole of Birmingham could do with the Luftwaffe -;:don't remind em of Zee war - football video no mate .
And German has 4 World Cup throphy in their cabinet
What football has nothing to do with war. I think i quit looking football
I am argentine. I think England deserves many worldcup titles and eurocups too they had so many good players plus they invented the sport.
Regarding Germany shattering your expectations of winning titles I feel you 🇦🇷😪😭
Great games indeed! Two good reasons to love football
If you're following your national team and you don't have any national pride I think that says something about yourself rather than English football fans who are nationalistic !!!
The German football team have lost there famous tenacity .That bunch of tectonic terminators of the 70s 80s and 90s were so hard to beat . But now they are just another vulnerable international side .
yeah the West Germany side with Muller + Company were Epic - I love the old film of your lot beating us at Wembley for the first time 1 - 3 in the Euros 1st leg qf
his goal there past G Banks is classic - Germany in their old Irish green kit looking good and a load of German Support under the scoreboard 72 - You've probably seen it wobblertv .
@@jamescorlett5272 😃😃😃I'm English and hated that lot your right the 72 team was a good side .With a lot of flair particularly Gunter Netzer ..the 74 side were a bit more pragmatic ....so wanted Holland to beat them .
@wobblertv8083 never did, though - Germany will probably win something before us .
Reasonable and cool headed punditry ... a rare thing .
Germany: 4 time World Cup Champions, England: 1 time World Cup Champions (By a fake goal).
Aber den einen gönnen wir ihnen von Herzen. :-)
Keep telling yourself that.😉
@@Valencetheshireman927fact hurts
How often can you press the like button ?
Die Spiele zwischen Deutschland und England waren und sind immer eng, nun gut 2010 hatte England ein altes Team, erinnerten an die überalterten Teams Deutschlands Ende der 90 er. Respekt ist immer da. Von der Mentalität sind wir uns da viel zu ähnlich. Niemand gibt auf, nicht bevor der Schiri abpfeift. Niemand wälzt sich nach einem harmlosen Rempler auf dem Platz, will da mal keine Namen nennen. Deshalb mag ich die Partien zwischen den Teams. Demnächst hoffentlich wieder auf der Osttribüne mit einem Fiege (was für VFL Insider)
Und was ist nun mit Kloppo ? Sie lieben ihn so wie einst einen Deutschen Torwart der zur Legende wurde .
Klopp? Ist das nicht dieser Trainer der es 2004 mit Mainz nicht geschafft hat, aufzusteigen? Loser! 😝😉
We germans are having to many football rivalries going on with good teams. There are the dutch, the italians and the argentinians. There is simply no room left for a thrird league competitor.
Who do you root for when Germany and England play ?
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Pretty sure the guardian isn't a conservative paper
Nope, it’s leftist rubbish.
Und als ich mir das Video gestern angeguckt habe, ist mir das noch eingefallen:
1996: ruclips.net/video/RJqimlFcJsM/видео.html
1998: ruclips.net/video/oyoy2_7FegI/видео.html
Besonders das Musikvideo zur WM 1998 ist der Hammer! :D
Three Lions ist mein Lieblings Fussball song!
English fans chanting about WW2 and the RAF.... god I’m embarrassed being a Brit sometimes
It’s just a joke. Falty Towers did it and so did Top Gear!
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I get your point but it was somehow different with Top Gear because Clarkson knew Sabine Schmitz. Also Clarkson is a bit of a knob, to be honest.
@@jackkruese4258 True, but that’s what makes him funny.
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Yea fair enough
English folks celebrate bombing of Dresden, Hamburg etc. Now, imagine if a German remembers Luftwaffe and celebrate about the Blitz!
As a neutral who has lived in England for a while. It seems a bit of a salty one way rivalry for the more extreme nationalists. Most of my intelligent friends can agree Germany are miles better and have no problem with it. However I’ve grown up in xenophobia zones and seen hooliganism and it seems like more of a world war thing to (extreme) English people. To me Germany are only second to one nation (Brazil just about) whilst England are at the bottom of the top teams so I don’t think the Germans recognise it as a rivalry. Whenever I ask the more patriotic fans why they think it’s a rivalry if it’s one sided, they’ll often hit a low blow with the war which is distasteful because war should not be compared to football and I’m sure that the Germans currently are not proud of their ancestors.
TheHuskey2222 : the Dutch are considered as real rivals as there were many games, especially the game in 1974 was tight, and there were some ugly scenes later on, especially in 1990 (the spitting event). This is keeping emotions up! On the other hand the Netherlands are recognized as worthy opponents in sport (I think victories, losses and ties are equivalent numbers), that means the outcome is open and players do play with high stakes.With england the Wembley goal from 66 is still in mind and disputed, but a loss is not expected. On the other hand the premier league is respected, but also seen as money can buy all ...
it’s only a game if you look at it ...
The English hate us? Interesting, I think we have quite a liking for the British in general and English in particular (after the Irish, which are for whatever reason our favourite people in the world) and otherwise are rather indifferent towards them
Polls have shown that the Germans hate the English/British more than the other way around.
I like Germany but after seeing Germans saying they want to see the U.K. destroyed I’m not a big fan of it anymore as I once was.
@@Valencetheshireman927 oh there is quite a bitter taste about your politicians and government but overall we really do quite adore the British as a whole. Britain is regarded as some sort of older brother here and british pop culture trumps even the american one in its influence.
The whole brexit ordeal has at the moment many people annoyed as it was, aside megxit, for the longest time overrepresented in all of our gutter press to a point that people simply didn't want to hear another word about the rainy isle, but just like with the dutch while we do like to make some mocking comments about you island apes and the cheese heads you are probably the countries (aside our German brother nations of Austria and Switzerland of course) that we feel the closest and most amicable to.
Though other than that there isn't that much thought given to the UK here. Following british news i got the feeling that more often than not Germany is used as the go-to comparison as if there was some kind if rivalry while here we love to follow your trends and events but are in terms of economic or political issues rather indifferent (aside of the before mentioned brexit circus of course) as france and italy are regarded as our closest allies and points of comparison in those regards and china, russia and recently increasingly the usa as our rivals/ competitors
We dont hate you, we really like you. We have a bromance with those we like. We are brothers anyway
england vs germany tonight cmon england 🏴
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Eines muss man aber zugeben, egal wie die Berichterstattung vor dem Spiel war, danach, besonders auch nach dem 4 zu 1 waren alle britischen Medien extrem fair , sportliche Fairness gilt immer noch viel auf der Insel
I think you overestimate the meaning England-Germany matches have for Germany. We Germans see as our biggest rivals the Dutch. The French. And our arch-nemesis: The Italians. The English teams have lately been rather ... mediocre ... (not that the Germans weren't in 2018, boah, were we bad in Russia!)
Like in a family, our little loved brothers and sisters, GB, NL, A, almost always get „kicked“ in their cute tiny butts. ;)
Quickest exit from russian soil since 1944...
Lol.”mediocre”. Are we still mediocre after the Euros?
@@Valencetheshireman927 Over the past centuries you didn’t win anything.
Soooo yeah mediocre
@@Uhrensohn289 “Over the past centuries you didn’t win anything”
One of only five countries to have ever won the World Cup. Yep, totally mediocre.
By that logic most teams are mediocre because most teams across the world haven’t won anything ( There’s over a hundred national teams).
The Last World Poll in 2017 show British public like Germans more than any other country does. It also shows that Britain like every other country more than that country likes them. Just saying and asking Why all this lying hate talk???????????
hatesongs make us proud 😁 its a strange way to feel it as a form of respect . they come with the past cos theres nothing to be proud of in the present. and gerd müller was the bomber of the nation. . calling salah that leads to a revolution