WHY FARMING?? or: Stop Crying About the Farmland Arc | Vinland Saga Analysis
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- Опубликовано: 18 окт 2024
- Attack on Titan discourse flashbacks!! Another violent anime/manga series attempts to develop in a more peaceful direction only for a vocal minority of fans to wish for a return to the bloodshed, except this time, I feel it's even more clear that people just don't get the point. The Farmland Arc of Vinland Saga Season 2 is the most natural follow-up to the events and ideas of the first season and in this video essay I attempt to explain why.
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So I understand to a certain extent people that liked the action and killing and violence in season 1 and were dissapointed the show "changed" in the second season. However, the probably is the idea the show changed.
The series literally starts with the best part of 3 entire episodes dedicated to peaceful living. The show you someone who is clearly portrayed as a certifable badass, stronger and more skilled in battle then probably anyone else in the world and he REJECTS violence. The problem is that you have a swath of typical anime watchers lashing out at it because they wanted another revenge fantasy. The watched the shit Thorfinn went through in season one and was cheering for him and wishing they could be him, instead of feeling the pain of every slash, every kick, knowing that at some point... his going to understand what his dad meant and his whole world will come crashing down.
You are so right, the direction it took should've been clear from those first three episodes. + The fact that Thors is one of the most badass pacifist characters ever. I imagine a lot of these people see the first few episodes as "stuff you have to get through to get to the 'good part'"
@@chryysanth Absolutely. What they don't realise is that... it could have been done inside an episode. You could be literally started showing Thorfinn at home with his loving kind dad. Floki arrives and is like, yo, time to war. Of they go. If it was purely meant to be a revenge romp, there is 0 reason to have the setup last 3 episodes. The only thing it would need to establish would be that Thorfinn loves his dad and that his dad died sparking his lust for vengence and journey into becoming a badass like his dad.
The fact that spend 3 episodes showing that Thor's is strong enough to take whatever he wants but choses not to, choses the path of peace is to show that is the message. You'd just have an opening much closer to AoT's opening if you wanted to establish a motive for an angry at the world kid (whilst that show does get more complicated, its very much set up at the start as a quintisensial revenge kick anime, and ironically also gets a big backlash due to the fact it ends up trying to teach people to stop with the violence)
I don't get it at all, it wasn't all that great, there were cool moments but if the action shown in the future is empty and pointless it loses whatever coolness it could have
@@Grimnoire It is mediocre, but if you remove the borefest that is the Arnheid/Gardal plot, it would be OK probably. It almost made me drop the anime.Sverkel (the old master) and Thorgill are the highlights of the season.
Anime has a lot of cool be watching watching it, but it also has incels with a chip on their shoulder watching it too. So yeah, there is bound to be loser psychopaths talking completely missing the point of stuff like Vinland saga or attack on Titan
There are three type of people that get on my nerves:
- Hypocrites
- Manipulators
- People that don't understand Vinland Saga Season 2 or Attack on Titan Season 4
I guess I got on your nerves. Following the story of season 4 was fine until after part 1 and I understand farmland is for development but overall it didn’t peak my interest that much. Only a few scenes like Askeladd in hell and Snake were good imo
attack on titan 139 quite literallyt ruined the entire story
People who piss me off are uneducated illiterate nobodies that watch something that larps being deep while being idiots. Do your self a favor and read some books preferable written for adults.
We get a story arc where the main protagonist: faces ptsd, fights his past demons, deals with regret and guilt for his past evil "the ends justify the means" type of actions; and finds a new purpose in life, one that is built on peace love and reason instead of mindless violence, finding a new identity and becoming a better person. Yet people dont like it cause "where cool fight scene?". I swear some people are too afraid to think about what they're watching for more than 5 seconds.
this is why I say the story telling and character development in this anime are average…meaning there is room left for improvement.
I’ll tackle what I personally think people think is bad about the second season. Seeing as most negative reviews came after or during the release of the second season. And it has all been oversimplified with “not enough action”.
I personally don’t think people have anything against the lack of action, as some might say, but the lack of content. Seeing as the second season focused on the slave topic, I believe most people were unsatisfied with the level of content in that department. And that is….”violence”. Yup, in the first season we saw the violence that is the result of war. However…slavery had its own violence, especially during that period in time. And I feel the anime didn’t capture that as it should. I feel they could’ve done a much better job at capturing the true violence related to slavery at the time, and done it in such a way that resonated with the emotional side of people watching. But I feel they failed to do that. Was there some harshness to it, yes. But it didn’t capture my attention or emotional side, when there was a sad side story being told, I can’t say I felt bad or emotional. And that’s not because I’m some harsh bastard lol, but that goes to show that some storytellers can and some can’t. Or maybe they didn’t do it because they wanted it to be more underage friendly, but I doubt it.
Second is the Mc character development. While some people prob didn’t expect him to turn away from violence so quickly, I don’t think that was the main prob. The problem is the development it took to get there. First let’s just admit that almost everyone who watched the show expected the Mc to turn over a new leaf at some point..otherwise what was the point of his father’s teachings in the beginning, right? However, I believe people think this was done too early and too suddenly. I definitely would have liked seeing him truly grow a bit more as a person before reaching that point. I believe his violent nature should have carried a bit longer into his teenage - young adult years, and from there on having a change. That would outline the importance of age as well, when it comes to understanding, something his father had over him in the beginning. This would also allow him to reach his full potential as a warrior, which is a major theme of the first season and also of being a viking. And then his full potential as a pacifist, which would come after his change. Witnessing him achieve being a warrior without the anger he had in the first season was, I think, what most people had hoped. Him being grown, free of anger, and fighting because that’s all he knows(witnessing his full potential as a warrior), before him having a major moral change. And after that witnessing him at his peak as a pacifier, while taking away the cruelty he inflicted, and focusing it around events around him. Focus that cruelty on slavery for example, truly capture the emotional side of the matter. I believe this would have made the second season better, maybe even better than the first, and would have resonated with the fans much more. Instead we got flushed with mediocre storylines about side characters that didn’t make fans feel anything. We’re they horrible? No, but they weren’t good either. They were a typical side story, which tons of anime, tons of story tellers would do a better job at telling.
@@xxtopgunxx8764the outline you have for Thorfinn’s development just sounds like Musashi’s arc in Vagabond, minus the slavery parts. A story doesn’t have to do what you expect or go where you want it to go to be good.
@@Andrew-fb8ph no, a story has to have good storytelling to be good. The examples I gave where ways I saw the story lacking or way it could have been better. There could have been other ways to make it better/good, but they didn’t. The storytelling was average compared to the first season, uninteresting side stories and characters, and it felt rushed.
Yeah you and your highschool dropout iq and no books read for the pleasure are so easily stimulated by barebones shit. I would recommend reading something written for adults before spouting some horseshit.
Excellent video! Adding in your own personal experience with the fence and getting satisfaction from building something overtime really helped set your video apart from other Vinland Saga videos. You are doing great work!
thanks a lot! very glad you appreciated my little fence story
god tier story telling idc what anyone else thinks
indeed. I was so emotional in this arc and especially when thorfinn decided to never hurt anyone anymore. I actually cried in that time and I don't understand why ppl don't like that.
god tier hot doo doo sewage water. season 2 was an embarrassment
@@tyresejones3535You are an embarrassment
@@tyresejones3535 we're talking about Vinland saga not your living conditions
Loved the storytelling, it's like everything came so naturally and even something as small as thorfinn and Einars seeds being messed up by the bodyguards (might be a wrong but it was something like this, been awhile since I've read it) felt so emotional and raw
I didn't even know anyone was complaining about this arc. Some of the best storytelling I've ever seen wtf
People are ruined and need constant dopamine.
the same one continue being offensive to people who are different than them, calling sol trash or crying about fillers episode.
Intolerant people
Then you haven’t read or witnessed many stories. It’s not horrible but it’s not amazing either.
"best storytelling I've ever seen" well folks we found the uncultured swine that has consumed only marvelslop so far.
I love season 2. It made me actually love season 1. Before I saw it as a basic mid story with mindless, yet well animated action. After watching season 2 I see it as necessary for season 1 to be the way that it was. I started reading the manga after finishing up season 2,
(SPOILERS FROM HERE)
and fans complaining about lack of action reminds me of Thorkell and the way he's acting in his jarldom. Mindlessly walking around looking for a fight among peasants, capturing bears to fight bare handed, and literally fainting at a declaration of peace from Canute. When I read that it made me think of every post I've seen complaining about the farmland arc. That's what the posters look like
If mindless fighting was all you got out of season 1 of vs 💀💀.
But I agree with your other statements.
Bro didn’t watch season 1
@@vigorousprophecy Ofcourse I did. I just found the story extremely generic.
farmland saga is peak anime, if you disagree, more power to you
because you friend, we have no enemies
Go read foundation if you want to larp pacifism. That shit is barebones but 100x better then farmland.
Vinland Saga is the best anime I have ever seen, it just hits different, absolure peak masterpiece
not a masterpiece lmao, s1 was good, s2 is at most a 7/10 and rn in the manga vinland arc is pretty mid
@@Icysted do you think anyone is gonna take you seriously when saying "mid"?
use your words.
@@Icysted most L take I've ever heard, s1 is a masterpiece, but s2 is miles better
@@oe_woo”most L take”cope more s1 is better
@@Kjernekar do u know what mid means? Doesn’t mean bad nor good, it means mediocre. Rn in the manga when they are in Vinland, building a country, trading with the native Americans there’s literally nothing exciting about that alr it is mid must be sad for u if u felt offended
I just went through a breakup, and I am in a place where I want to better myself, and your story about the fence brings me comfort... I don't really know exactly why, but this video and your "why we aspire to be good people" video have provided me with some powerful reminders of good attitudes and mental states.
My language is really clunky, and I wish I could explain this more eloquently, but these videos have really struck a chord in me, so thanks.
always glad to hear my videos resonate with people
I hope you stay on a path like that. Don't give up on living for others, even when it doesn't give you the outcome you might've wanted. Living for others and being a good person to benefit the world around you is the best way to earn happiness.
your story about the garden fence really teared me up, i've always wanted to grow a garden as a child but never knew where to start
i hope to grow a garden of my own, if not i hope i can nurture a plant in a pot though.
luckily we live in an age where we have access to so much online advice for things like this. you can totally achieve your garden dreams even if you have to start as small as a single plant in a pot, i believe in you
Miyamoto Musashi said something along the lines of in life there are four paths a man can walk the life of a warrior, thr life of a merchant, the life of a Carpenter, and the life of a farmer. The reason he says this is because tho they all specialize in different things a master of one can recognize the other aswell as the tools which they use for their craft so maybe if thorfin hadn't been a slave farmer he would of taken up carpentry lol
About time someone made a good VInland video.
That analysis actually made me cry, thank you for that beautiful analysis and the part with that fence you built was really heart warming and perfect to explain the whole point of the season 2
People hate it because its not bloody action. They do not like character growth just mindless fighting like his childhood. I love it, just having a character after all the trauma learn to live after living for death is just so damn good.
this is why I say the story telling and character development in this anime are average…meaning there is room left for improvement. Don’t call others kids who only like violence, just because they don’t have the same opinion as you. I could say the same about the other side. Young kids who can’t help getting excited at mediocre storytelling skills.
I’ll tackle what I personally think people think is bad about the second season. Seeing as most negative reviews came after or during the release of the second season. And it has all been oversimplified with “not enough action”.
I personally don’t think people have anything against the lack of action, as some might say, but the lack of content. Seeing as the second season focused on the slave topic, I believe most people were unsatisfied with the level of content in that department. And that is….”violence”. Yup, in the first season we saw the violence that is the result of war. However…slavery had its own violence, especially during that period in time. And I feel the anime didn’t capture that as it should. I feel they could’ve done a much better job at capturing the true violence related to slavery at the time, and done it in such a way that resonated with the emotional side of people watching. But I feel they failed to do that. Was there some harshness to it, yes. But it didn’t capture my attention or emotional side, when there was a sad side story being told, I can’t say I felt bad or emotional. And that’s not because I’m some harsh bastard lol, but that goes to show that some storytellers can and some can’t. Or maybe they didn’t do it because they wanted it to be more underage friendly, but I doubt it.
Second is the Mc character development. While some people prob didn’t expect him to turn away from violence so quickly, I don’t think that was the main prob. The problem is the development it took to get there. First let’s just admit that almost everyone who watched the show expected the Mc to turn over a new leaf at some point..otherwise what was the point of his father’s teachings in the beginning, right? However, I believe people think this was done too early and too suddenly. I definitely would have liked seeing him truly grow a bit more as a person before reaching that point. I believe his violent nature should have carried a bit longer into his teenage - young adult years, and from there on having a change. That would outline the importance of age as well, when it comes to understanding, something his father had over him in the beginning. This would also allow him to reach his full potential as a warrior, which is a major theme of the first season and also of being a viking. And then his full potential as a pacifist, which would come after his change. Witnessing him achieve being a warrior without the anger he had in the first season was, I think, what most people had hoped. Him being grown, free of anger, and fighting because that’s all he knows(witnessing his full potential as a warrior), before him having a major moral change. And after that witnessing him at his peak as a pacifier, while taking away the cruelty he inflicted, and focusing it around events around him. Focus that cruelty on slavery for example, truly capture the emotional side of the matter. I believe this would have made the second season better, maybe even better than the first, and would have resonated with the fans much more. Instead we got flushed with mediocre storylines about side characters that didn’t make fans feel anything. We’re they horrible? No, but they weren’t good either. They were a typical side story, which tons of anime, tons of story tellers would do a better job at telling.
Some people can't appreciate a good story cause their minds aren't stimulated unless they see action.
How many books have you read in your life, how many of those weren't picture books for children? I'm guessing a fat 0 so your uncultured ass has exactly 0 credibility in this discussion.
I got interested of this show when someone talked about how underrated it is, especially the second season. So, I got into the show without know what to expect
And I loved this show, and I can't understand the hate for the second season. It's has such a beautiful story to tell. And one want to continue following. And also take a few inspiration from
this is why I say the story telling and character development in this anime are average…meaning there is room left for improvement.
I’ll tackle what I personally think people think is bad about the second season. Seeing as most negative reviews came after or during the release of the second season. And it has all been oversimplified with “not enough action”.
I personally don’t think people have anything against the lack of action, as some might say, but the lack of content. Seeing as the second season focused on the slave topic, I believe most people were unsatisfied with the level of content in that department. And that is….”violence”. Yup, in the first season we saw the violence that is the result of war. However…slavery had its own violence, especially during that period in time. And I feel the anime didn’t capture that as it should. I feel they could’ve done a much better job at capturing the true violence related to slavery at the time, and done it in such a way that resonated with the emotional side of people watching. But I feel they failed to do that. Was there some harshness to it, yes. But it didn’t capture my attention or emotional side, when there was a sad side story being told, I can’t say I felt bad or emotional. And that’s not because I’m some harsh bastard lol, but that goes to show that some storytellers can and some can’t. Or maybe they didn’t do it because they wanted it to be more underage friendly, but I doubt it.
Second is the Mc character development. While some people prob didn’t expect him to turn away from violence so quickly, I don’t think that was the main prob. The problem is the development it took to get there. First let’s just admit that almost everyone who watched the show expected the Mc to turn over a new leaf at some point..otherwise what was the point of his father’s teachings in the beginning, right? However, I believe people think this was done too early and too suddenly. I definitely would have liked seeing him truly grow a bit more as a person before reaching that point. I believe his violent nature should have carried a bit longer into his teenage - young adult years, and from there on having a change. That would outline the importance of age as well, when it comes to understanding, something his father had over him in the beginning. This would also allow him to reach his full potential as a warrior, which is a major theme of the first season and also of being a viking. And then his full potential as a pacifist, which would come after his change. Witnessing him achieve being a warrior without the anger he had in the first season was, I think, what most people had hoped. Him being grown, free of anger, and fighting because that’s all he knows(witnessing his full potential as a warrior), before him having a major moral change. And after that witnessing him at his peak as a pacifier, while taking away the cruelty he inflicted, and focusing it around events around him. Focus that cruelty on slavery for example, truly capture the emotional side of the matter. I believe this would have made the second season better, maybe even better than the first, and would have resonated with the fans much more. Instead we got flushed with mediocre storylines about side characters that didn’t make fans feel anything. We’re they horrible? No, but they weren’t good either. They were a typical side story, which tons of anime, tons of story tellers would do a better job at telling.
I truely loved the farm arc! Truely loved the story as I don't need epic action to enjoy a well written story. Thorfin's relationship with Askelad was very unique, and with the loss of Askelad thorfin was aimless and had lost his reason to live. The farm ark was the perfect way to progress Thorfin's character
Beautiful metaphor with the fence, made me tear up a little bit
That's a nice fence. I like the entrance as well.
Good job. Bless you and thank you.
Both thorfinn and musashi after killing scores of people's literally said "it's farming time" and farmed all over the place.
Beautiful video
thanks so much!
Man I love these peaceful videos
I was feeling like the first season was so action packed that I personally needed the story to slow down.
I really hope this reaches more people beautiful done 👏👏
Best season of TV I’ve ever seen
For real
Vinland saga is my favorite anime, every episode i watch help me grow and feel better
Farming is and always be the most important occupation in Human history. Probably one of the oldest as well.
Omg i've been looking for a good video like this. Thank you seriously
Keep fighting the good fight, master fence builder!
💪
Maybe that is the most-powerfull lesson that I have learned from animes. Peak
"I HAVE NO ENEMIES"
REAL
farmland saga best arc
In my opinion, this is the spiritual successor to Rurouni Kenshin. 2 absolutely fantastic series about one's coming of age and away from a misguided sense of justice and living for redemption. I'm so fucking happy that Rurouni Kenshin got a reboot!
This is the only thing I'm happy with this age of copy culture. All the great stories from the 90s are coming back true to their manga series.
Wonderful analysis! Hey, it's real life Vinland Saga season 2: 0:52
thanks, glad you enjoyed!
@@chryysanth You're welcome! That's good to know.
Dear god so good
It was beautiful.Thank You!
sweet video bro. well-edited intro as well
Those who complain about the farmland arc don't know ANYTHING about The war at Baltic sea. That was literally Dressrosa all over again
Perfectly said
very glad you liked it
One of the best arc's in anime history
I feel like some people wanted a dumb ass fucking shonen from this anime where Thorfinn learns how to use ancient god techniques and scales his power level indefinitely but what they got was too good for their smooth brains. Season 2 was perfect. Was better than I could have imagined.
I didnt watch or have plans to watch Vinland Saga but i'm reading the manga and oh boy. If people didnt like the farming arc they better be ready for what is coming.
I thought S1 was awesome, but it wasn't my favorite anime or anything. But S2 made Vinland Saga basically my favorite piece of fiction
okay this is gonna be hilarious --- but i loved the farming arch so much i started reading the manga and actually only stopped when i saw him get a hair cut and new look in the new arc and he looked like goober and i could not take him seriously i decided to wait for the show again lmao
If you mean the bald cap hair then dw, his hair changed again after another 3 or 4 chapters from that point. It was really funny seeing that hairstyle on thorfinn 😂
Dw bro it changes soon
“Carve it”
real!!
Farmland saga
true
Wit studio has crazies watching their anime. Like the psychopaths justifying the genocide of the rest of the earth not just humans cuz “well I like armin and Mikasa”. Or the people who completely miss the message of Vinland saga and say they’d kill everyone like yet again, a psychopath. Aot and Vinland saga has attracted the anime fan incels and not just the anime fans. The people who should be on a watch list
aot s4 was dogwater tho
@@CODELIRIOUS-sy8xz It's actually the best season, at least so far, the bad part is how the anime studio has chosen to drag it out as much as possible, like it should have ended 2 years ago or something fr but now we get 2 episodes every year.
Great season, horrible release schedule that makes me genuinely dislike aot.
@@IskandarTheWack nope. Aot s4 is garbage. Aot should have ended s3.
@@CODELIRIOUS-sy8xz That seems like a personal failing of you as a person honestly.
Season 4 is peak, especially the first release of it all.
Season 1 is the weakest part I'd say.
Season 4 is genuinely art. If season 4 didn't exist, I'd say aot was pretty 7/10
@@IskandarTheWack qhahahah ur brainwashed by yams. S4 by far the worst characters and worst motivations I have ever seen. Filled with million different plotholes. Yimir was trash, armin was trash, mankasa was trash, the avengers plot trash. Annie getting away with killing everyone =TRASG
People who complain about the farm arc should just stick to watching anime like Baki because they're clearly not invested into the story.
Ngl, i dont have any enemies fr
Farmland arc was peak idc
People are complaining over the farmland arc?
Can't hear over working towards keeping the peace.
Nice analysis
I get all your points and i even thought about them myself, but i still like cool action fights tho.
valid, as long as you recognize that it's your personal preference and not something that makes the writing objectively worse which i've seen other people say. i love cool fights too
@@chryysanth thanks mate. I mean action party only really hit if there's emotional setup. But dude, farmland was a lot of setup 😅
@@gandhisfist4785farmland was the payoff imo
@@gandhisfist4785Farmland was not a set up, it WAS the execution
then this show simply isn't meant for you brobro
Great video
Crying every episode. I can see why Gen Z finds this character arc amazing.
We love Bronar here and ill accept no shit talking about my man
The slow start to the season was nesseccary for the development of the characters. It needed time to tell who these people are,what their feelings are,and how this world has affected them. Then,when the action does hit,the stakes are much higher than the first season. YOU CARE.
good job
Peak story telling
Peakland Saga on top 💪💪
I would recommend you read some literature, that is just an embarrassing opinion to have.
What I don't like about the Farmland Arc is that it seems to imply that warriors know nothing except swing a sword or ax. That's hardly the case though. To be an effective raiding party, you have to have a tremendous array of skills, including but not limited to making camps, hunting, fishing, etc. It's shown that Thorfinn just does not know anything except his daggers(when they were fixing the roof of Old Master). That really undermines the point they try to make about destruction being contrasted with farming. It's not that I don't get the point, as Zoomer Talk says here, I just don't like the point.
PS I also don't like what the Old Master says about wealth. He says that no one should have so much land that they can't defend it themselves. He ridicules the fact that Ketil gives an absurd amount of tribute to the King. That's just not looking at the big picture. To build a truly nonviolent society, (yk the whole point of Vinland Saga) you have to maintain a large mercenary force like Canute does. Honestly I think Canute should be the protagonist, he has it more or less figured out. To maintain that, you need the kind of tribute that small farmers on the same amount of land could never bring. You need that kind of, dare I say, capitalism to sustain it. The show tries to be anti-violence, while ridiculing the very means to get there. I do get why people like it though. It seems to be very deep, although it really isn't.
His large farmland was the reason canute wanted to make him and his family outlaws and steal their farmland. Which is a fate not much worse than death. If you need big farmland to fuel a nonviolent society, and the king will violently seize it from you, how much non violence is going on there? Canute has it figured out? My guy, seizing the means of production by force to support utopia is a slippery slope
I can see why someone could like your comment though, it appears an apt critique, although it really isn’t
@@tillburr6799 What slippery slope? You need to elaborate on that. Also, the fact that Ketil was to be reprimanded has no bearing on my point. The point was in regards to the need of large farms. The Old Master says that everyone should only have as much land as you can defend yourself. That's bullshit. The fact that Canute wanted that land requisitioned is actually in support of my argument that you need that sort of thing to run a nonviolent society. I think what you are trying to say is the Old Master's point that excessive wealth leads to destruction. I won't disagree outright, but you need to take that kind of a risk if you want to make any kind of difference.
Also notice how you don't refute anything in my original point, just the PS, then say my critique ain't apt. Real thorough there. That's beside the point though.
Canute does have it more or less figured out. To build a nonviolent society, you need a large standing army to defend it. It's really that simple. Ofc, the show ridicules this saying that if you have to defend peace, it has no meaning. Then says that the heroic thing to do is go find a place where there is no war and no slavery, and run there. Bullshit.
What I also find interesting is that Vinland Saga seems to have a sense of self awareness about how ridiculous it's being. Canute is that self-awareness incarnate, and honestly the best part of the show apart from Askeladd. I say seems, because when Canute understandably laughs after the absurd peace talks with Thorfinn, his only reply is "wHaT'S tHeRe tO laUgH abOuT?" So it seems to not realize it at the same time. I really don't get it man.
@@aprameyanaganur2934 i made my point. If you’re too stupid to actually read it properly, because you dislike that I disagree, thats on you. I will not be wasting my time on listless halfwits who cannot read
Canute ideals of power equal peace is basically what we have today. And we are under the control of molloch, god of unhealthy competition. We keep accumulating power because we fear other will have more power and take advantage of us. Eventually we build nuclear weapon, that didn't only destroy the 'enemy' but ourselves. Not only that every country spend a lot of money for military that can be used for other things. In this game, no one is the winner. Part of peace we have today is kept by principle of mutually assured destruction. Is this really true peace? I won't criticize it, since I can watch this youtube video comfortably from my home. And I certainly don't dare to say that my country should drop all it's military.
Another part of peace is co-dependency and collaboration, I believe this is the ideal that Thorfin propose. Again I won't say that this is the one true solution.
'True peace' is not an easy problem. We certainly haven't solve it even today.
@@jamesjaya6744 Yes, and that's they way the world works. Might makes right. If you want to enforce law and order, or peace for that matter, you need to be able to annihilate whoever tries to disrupt it. And people who want to disrupt it will always exist. Stop thinking about naïve ideals of "true peace". It doesn't exist, and saying that there must be a way is just denial of the fundamental nature of human beings.
name of the outro song? pls
it's a cover i made of Kimi no Shiranai Monogatari by supercell (bakemonogatari ed)
You have no enemies, you say? Alas, my friend, the boast is poor.
He who has mingled in the fray of duty that the brave endure. must have made foes. If you have none, small is the work that you have done. You've hit no traitor on the hip. You've dashed no cup from perjured lip. You've never turned the wrong to right. You've been a coward in the fight.
(Charles Mackay)
That is a nice poem. I will have to check his book now.
There's a difference between being someone's enemy, and someone being yours. You can hate a person, and they can be indifferent towards you. They have an enemy in you, you have no enemy in them, because they don't reflect the same things you feel. It's not inherently mutual. You can fight and triumph without grudge or hatred or anger. Why do you need it? What does it do? I prefer the philosophy of Musashi when it comes to conflict. If you must fight then fight. If you must die then die. Your ego and feelings on the matter are irrelevant.
Very well said
thanks!
My only problem with season 2 was that it was a bit slow at times, which made parts of it boring. Some of those episodes were more like piano recitals, with some boring plinky plinky piano music playing, and almost fvck all happening on the screen. The studio seemed desperate to match the 24 episodes of the first season, so it seems they stretched out certain parts to make it longer. The first season adapts 54 chapters in 24 episodes, and the second season adapts 45 chapters in the same amount. It’s a shame, because season 1 was basically perfect.
honestly i can agree with this, some parts were for sure drawn out a bit more than they needed to be. the character progression and themes still carried it for me though at that point it comes down to personal preference imo
I think they should just release a one hour episode weekly. So roughly 3 episode a week.The story is more like western series than other anime, so following the format of other anime is kinda make it seems slower.
Loved season 2, but it did drag on for a while during the middle with the runaway slave arc. It was important to main story and gave good character development and story but it did drag on for a bit longer than needed, and some monologues and backstories went on for full episodes with no other things of substance happened which became pretty boring to me. Got good again for me when Kettil got back and the story actually picked up again tho. Not saying the arc was bad or anything just felt like it didn't need to span 5 episodes, all of which are around 25 mins each and it seemed to be going in circles a bit.
When Arhnied told her backstory it was good n all, took around half an episode and stuff which was fine and good timing ig but I got a bit bored tbh (this is on me, was binging up until this point so i mightve just gotten tired of the show for the day or something.). Then when Gardar was dying on the wagon he had his backstory and backflashes of his afterlife which was cool and shit but it did end up feeling like most of it was already shown before with Arhnied and it didn't need to take up a full episode of him slipping in and out of the afterlife. This is just personal prefrences and stuff and I really enjoyed the show all together, just think this arc didn't need to span for 5 episodes.
(The episode with Gardar and Arhnied on the wagon was still amazing, this was just personal preferences)
It also feels like since S1 alot less things happen in each episode, IDK if thats just because of the less action packed stuff or something but it seems like during the middle part of S2 like 2 things at max would happen each episode. Again, might just be the more peaceful setting making it seem like this or something but idk.
Still loved S2 and the ending was amazing and I would watch again and recommend it to ppl.
Yeah Gardar dying was one thing that really dragged a bit. This dude had the longest dearh scene I've seen in years.
The title goes against Thorfins ideals. It’s antagonizing people who don’t understand and leads to them not watching the video or not listening and trashing you.
As seen by the hate comments.
Damn, really muted my opinions.
“The vulgar crowd always is taken by appearances, and the world consists chiefly of the vulgar” --Niccolò Machiavelli
"I say that man is entitled to his own happiness. And that he must achieve it himself. But that he cannot demand that others give up their lives to make him happy. And nor should he wish to sacrifice himself for the happiness of others. I hold that man should have self-esteem" --Ayn Rand
"So the part of the reason that people go watch Anti-Heroes and Villains is because there's a part of them crying out for the incorporation of the monster within them which is what gives them strength of character and self-respect because it's impossible to respect yourself until you grow teeth...A harmless man is not a good man. A good man is a very dangerous man who has that voluntary control" --Dr. Jordan Peterson
"Goodness is not goodness that seeks advantage. Good is good in the final hour, in the deepest pit, without hope, without witness, without reward. Virtue is only virtue in extremis" --Doctor Who
For Manga Readers, the next arc will have violence so enjoy.
By God, I hope something bad happens to ivar
@@kehan6252what?
@frostbitefade424 the guy from thorfinns group that smuggled the sword in vinland
i've had friends and family tell that s2 is shit and that they preferred s1 as it's more "engaging" as if s1 didn't have peaceful developing parts. also why do all s2 haters forget about the first 3 eps of s1, its almost like thats the whole point of the series. Good stuff man, we need more talk about this!
People don't like Character development i stg
literally
Or people want a good story told in an action packed way or just not with slow pacing, which has been done hundreds of times.
@@nathannix3217 dbz tard alert
@@bigt100 That’s childish
Meanwhile in the Middle East, the Abbasid Caliphate's authority is limited to just Baghdad because of a number of Turkic slave soldiers began to carve their own territories and proclaimed themselves as the Sultans while the Roman Empire based in Constantinople is losing Anatolia to the Turkic tribes. Why am I bringing the Abbasid Caliphate and the Eastern Roman Empire into this? The answer is simple. Both the Caliphate and the Empire were complex and sophisticated civilizations with great advancement in scientific and philosophical ventures but yet, no amount of members in the ulama in Baghdad or the clergy in Constantinople can helped them escape violence or settle things peacefully with the immigrating Turkic tribes. Not to mention that these were what happening out there during the lifetime of Thorfinn as well. And before the Turkic tribes even arrived from Central Asia, both the Empire and the Caliphate often crossed each other's borders to raid one another for loots and slaves. And these raids often happened when the governments of both countries are not at war with one another. In other words, the purpose of these raids during the peace time is primarily economic while the spiritual aim is the secondary concern. On many occasions, the Basileus in Constantinople have to pay tributes in many forms, from gold to books of knowledge such as the work of Ptolemy called Almagest, as a way of preventing more of the raids by the Arabs while also forbade his Roman troops from launching their own raids to preserve peace. Nothing lasted forever, including peace. And the Byzantine-Arabs Wars are the good examples of this because no matter how many times peace are concluded and how many victories the Empire and the Caliphate achieved over one another, wars and hate will never ceased to exist as long as humans remained selfish. And while Thorfinn's belief is naive, it came from a different place. Unlike Karl Fritz, whose desire to create Paradis most likely originated solely from just guilt, Thorfinn's desire for peace and a place where peoples of different races can live together originated from not just his guilt but also friendships he had with many people he befriended with on his journey. Not to mention that he also recognized the importance and distinguish what is war of survival and what is war of conquest as well. And while wars of survival can be disguised as a conquest, such a conquest happened because it is the need of the people to ensure their own survival, not to satisfy their greed.
Also, did you see some videos about the last Roman-Persian War of 602-628? If so, then I can guess that you roughly get the picture of my Heraclius Plan already, right? To make it short, the Heraclius is a plan to save Paradis inspired by how Emperor Heraclius forced Shah Khosrow II to accept peace on his own terms.
By the way, why do you think the people like Hange and Armin wanted peace with Marley so bad? The point is that can't they see that Marley is nothing but a bully that cannot be reasoned with?
fascinating to hear what was going on in different parts of the world around the same time as the events of this story, love your comments man. i have not seen any videos on the last roman-persian war, do you have any you could recommend?
as for your last question, i think they want peace for the same reason as the characters of vinland saga: war is destructive and they want to avoid it, both to save the lives of their own people as well as everyone else around the world. i think a character like thorfinn's reasons for being against violence are much better fleshed out, but it's still possible to see why armin and hange would do what they did. armin and hange aren't complete pacifists, though; they both would support military action against marley as long as it isn't the full on super genocide of the rumbling.
@@chryysanth I recommended the ones by History-Marche and kings and generals because both videos lacked certain information that can be provided by one another.
The point of the Heraclius Plan is not only to force Marley to accept peace on Paradis' terms but to also weakened Marley's military and economy to prevent the immediate violation of peace imposed by Paradis and retaliation by Marley as well. And to make it possible, they needed to go to war when Marley is in a middle of the Marley Mid-East War because Marley will be forcing to face wars on two fronts. And if it is possible, make it three by entice a rebellion in Onyankopon's homeland as well. And of course, Zeke will most likely defected to Paradis' side in order to get close to Eren and that will make the situation worse for Marley.
Also, you can added the Heraclius Plan and its inspiration, the last Roman Persian War of 602-628, in your next Attack on Titan video as well.
People who hate the farmland arc is going to lose interest of the series later on lol. Yes, Vinland saga has great action scenes, but those action sequences are not the point of the story. The entire point of Farmland Arc was to give Thorfin a "rebirth". In order to let him gain a new life, he needed to gain knowledge of new things. Apart from that, farming is the exact opposite of killing. Those points are the whole point.
Ong don’t know how ppl drop season 2
Me like form
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I feel like the people disliking the Season 2 are actually the ones lacking empathy themselves so they cant connect to the character growth happening here and want the mindless violence from season 1 to continue.
Maybe also a bunch of kids who's biggest challenge in life is getting up early to go to school. They haven't lived yet so they can't relate to a story of growth and redemption.
@@pieterlindeque7798 this is why I say the story telling and character development in this anime are average…meaning there is room left for improvement. Don’t call others kids who only like violence, just because they don’t have the same opinion as you. I could say the same about the other side. Young kids who can’t help getting excited at mediocre storytelling skills, just because you watched marvel all your life and think this is storytelling at its finest lol
I’ll tackle what I personally think people think is bad about the second season. Seeing as most negative reviews came after or during the release of the second season. And it has all been oversimplified with “not enough action”.
I personally don’t think people have anything against the lack of action, as some might say, but the lack of content. Seeing as the second season focused on the slave topic, I believe most people were unsatisfied with the level of content in that department. And that is….”violence”. Yup, in the first season we saw the violence that is the result of war. However…slavery had its own violence, especially during that period in time. And I feel the anime didn’t capture that as it should. I feel they could’ve done a much better job at capturing the true violence related to slavery at the time, and done it in such a way that resonated with the emotional side of people watching. But I feel they failed to do that. Was there some harshness to it, yes. But it didn’t capture my attention or emotional side, when there was a sad side story being told, I can’t say I felt bad or emotional. And that’s not because I’m some harsh bastard lol, but that goes to show that some storytellers can and some can’t. Or maybe they didn’t do it because they wanted it to be more underage friendly, but I doubt it.
Second is the Mc character development. While some people prob didn’t expect him to turn away from violence so quickly, I don’t think that was the main prob. The problem is the development it took to get there. First let’s just admit that almost everyone who watched the show expected the Mc to turn over a new leaf at some point..otherwise what was the point of his father’s teachings in the beginning, right? However, I believe people think this was done too early and too suddenly. I definitely would have liked seeing him truly grow a bit more as a person before reaching that point. I believe his violent nature should have carried a bit longer into his teenage - young adult years, and from there on having a change. That would outline the importance of age as well, when it comes to understanding, something his father had over him in the beginning. This would also allow him to reach his full potential as a warrior, which is a major theme of the first season and also of being a viking. And then his full potential as a pacifist, which would come after his change. Witnessing him achieve being a warrior without the anger he had in the first season was, I think, what most people had hoped. Him being grown, free of anger, and fighting because that’s all he knows(witnessing his full potential as a warrior), before him having a major moral change. And after that witnessing him at his peak as a pacifier, while taking away the cruelty he inflicted, and focusing it around events around him. Focus that cruelty on slavery for example, truly capture the emotional side of the matter. I believe this would have made the second season better, maybe even better than the first, and would have resonated with the fans much more. Instead we got flushed with mediocre storylines about side characters that didn’t make fans feel anything. We’re they horrible? No, but they weren’t good either. They were a typical side story, which tons of anime, tons of story tellers would do a better job at telling.
Story > gratuitous action every time. If people don't like it there's plenty of cookie cutter Shonen anime out there for them. Season 2 turned a great series into a legendary one for me. Damn near tear up just thinking about it 😂
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The edgy lords are shaking right now.
literally
You have Kaneki as your profile pic….
@@adampenbrook5751 welp blame 14 year old me buddy, I'm too lazy to change it now 😂
@@mysteryman1876 I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that lmao. My pfp is also Kaneki. I just thought it was funny seeing somebody calling out edgelords whilst having a pfp of a character who’s considered to be very edgy. 🙂 Although I actually think Kaneki’s “edginess” is overstated. Most TG fans glorify and celebrate the worst versions of Kaneki, and his worst behaviour, just because they see it as “cool” or “badass”, and most people seem to ignore Kaneki’s psychological and emotional development from being a shy, wimpy loner to becoming a strong, confident father and husband by the end of the series. TG is a great series with the worst fans IMO.
Stop calling other people stupid for having another opinion.
7:11-8:09 have a good day!
I and many others find the farming arc boring not because we didn't get that vinland saga was anti war, or because we want the story to be somehow less cohesive.
But because the arc is lacking in some way. Its different for different people. But for me I found the arc to be bloated, slow, and too far from where we left off narratively. Why farming, why the time skip, why a slave, etc. In my opinion and many others. The farming, the time skip, and the manner in which Thorfin grows just wasn't entertaining.
I've seen better and as such will judge the farming arc off its merits. Seeing how it fails to live up to my standards, its boring. When put up against other pacifist love and peace stories, the farm arc is a good example of what doesn't work. Fma, vash the stampede, and tokyo revengers, all handle love and peace better.
Touch Grass Saga is peak.
Everyone that knew vinland also knew this complainers would should up, we literally called it.
It was a classic revenge story turning into a philosophy lesson and i didn't like that. I watched so many animes i just fall asleep when someone starts with that ''I have no enemy's'' blabla bluber..
sure it's a personal preference thing. some people prefer dumb action over a focus on philosophy and character growth and that's ok
damn man i wanna play minecraft
thorsgoat. goatfin
Its not about the farming. Its about becoming a man.
FIRST
no way you beat me
Some people don’t like it. Ah well, why do y’all continue to let “haters” live in your head lol ?
I get all of it but I also know how this story will end.
It will no end well for anyone.
Violence is a necessary part of live and people should be ready to use it. Nowadays we get fuck up because people have become soft, weak, and peaceful but those in power arent.
It's not people use it because they're weak minded and that's sad tru
The problem is a show about a pacifist is just by nature not going to be as interesting as the violent, action romp that came before it. Have you read after the Farmland Saga arc? It gets pretty terrible. I loved this arc for Thorfinn's character development too, but it just doesn't really seem to go anywhere interesting with that revelation. The series should have just ended with a time skip after Thorfinn changes.
haven't read the manga so i can't comment on the quality after farmland, but i would for sure disagree with the claim that a story about a pacifist is inherently not as interesting as one with violence. this is a personal taste thing but stories are most interesting to me when characters develop and have struggles which resonate with me. stories don't need to be violent to be interesting, for me and the many people who liked the farmland arc at least
idk why other ppl thinks of those who
sees vinland saga s2 boring are ridiculous..
yeah we get it character development sh*t
but don't you think it could be done thru
some flashbacks or some episodes perhaps,
it could be understandable..but man 10
episodes straight???, are you kidding me??
man that's f** as hell!! where are the fight
scenes that made viewers notice this
anime??, instead he got turned into a farmer wth!,, simply ppl
loves fighting I'm sure
90% of the viewers hated this gay season
thorfin sucked on this season period!
writers are gonna ruin this anime if this continues!
bro called it "gay" like he's a middle school boy
people who didn't like s2 of vinland saga need to lay off one piece for a while
I mean yeah I guess the writing is good. But it was kind of a snoozefest for me. Build ups to underwhelming conflicts, I don't usually watch anime to see people standing around and talking then doing some harvest moon shit. Not that I think it's not okay to like that, I'm glad people can I just didn't care for it especially after the first season went so hard, I was kind of like "okay something gotta happen" for the duration of the season then it was just a guy beating a pregnant woman and I went "oh, that's just a downer it's not even hype"
yeah people need to calm down, I see way too many people putting others down for not liking this way of story telling. And I'm saying this as someone who loves VS
@@eggnog4266 it's like that for everything tbh. I don't watch a ton of anime but when I state my opinion in the same way with other subjects you'd be surprised how many people will try and berate me for not liking the same thing they do or liking things they don't. People feel like if you disagree with their taste then you disagree with their personality because they attach themselves that hard to a particular property or genre is my way of rationalizing how people are about that stuff. Even if I go out of my way to be clear that I'm not disrespecting differing opinions by having my own. If everyone agreed about everything the world would suck, I wholeheartedly respect people that disagree with my takes, but it's not reciprocal 99% of the time
That’s not the point, I agree with philosophy. It is just that creators are mid at telling it. Extremely mediocre writing makes an extremely mediocre show