This is literally how some of you sound to me. "here's a thing that simulates the phone doing work and it says it's slow" Okay, here's the phone actually doing work and it's pretty damn fast. "I don't care about that" 🤔🤔
@@shanecraigtech I probably should have stated more in my first response but I’m not basing these phone entirely off of benchmarks I’m basing them off of personal use case where they were pure garbage and under preformed in every way! There haven’t been one pixel device to run smoothly and I’ve owned them all. Nexus phone were the only ones that ran fast and fluid on low end specs. My point is Google shouldn’t sell a device that isn’t up to pair with the competition and call it pro especially when 99 percent of all its pro features are done not on device but in the cloud behind a pay wall. These new pixels look so good and if reviewers are correct the hardware is miles ahead of what they ever had in past phones so I’m excited to still give them another try and see if they actually deliver in performance and day to day tasks. I always have an iPhone and I always have an android phone. I’m a two phone guy so, with that said I could be proven wrong with the 9 pros but I’ve always had high hopes and always was proven correct with these phones being trash. Also have you seen the videos of the cameras? Laggy and stuttering when switching focal lengths and not looking very promising. So eventually we will see. Google doesn’t have a great track record with supporting devices.
What this nonsense about being, G4 has modern ARM cores for petes sake. There hasnt been a slow mobile CPU in years from anyone. You guys realize that many smartphone manufacturers optimize clock speeds and software to run these benchmarks programs to achieve the highest score possible. Benchmarks are a marketing tool period.
I have always watched his video and loved them. He did this with Pixel 8 pro last year. His test are real world applications and it puts the phones through the wringer.
That’s dumb, if you’ve used the original Pixel Fold, you’ll realize how important it is to this phone…. The tensor chips need a lot of work even to run stock Android. Fingers crossed they made some improvements.
Yeah but things load in 1 second when they could load in .94 seconds LOL. Phones are so fast now days it doesn't make a noticeable difference to mass majority. Benchmarks are just a selling/marketing thing. Does it make reliable phone calls does it take fantastic pics and videos then that is the phone I want. My main gripe is the Pixel 8 pro takes a slow a$$ 50mp picture. I don't know if the 9 Pro resolves this issue.
I'm a tech enthusiast, but by no means a tech expert. But for everything I use my phone for, I've never seen any perceivable difference between my flagship phones. Therefore, I tend to go for aesthetics and interface usability. I love my pixel fold and will get the pro fold when it comes out.
This comment!! People always regurgitating some stupid benchmarks scores to justify iPhone and Samsung smh. I have a P6P and it never lagged as opposed to my 13Pro which lags when im using imsg
Well I just received a message from Google that my Pixel 9 PRO XL 512gb color Hazel has been shipped and arrives this Thursday 22nd! That is my benchmark!! 😁😁😁👍💪
Great info as always. Those of us who use Pixel's know that benchmarks don't tell the whole story. Definitely going to check out that video from In Depth Tech Reviews.
The thing that concerns me is I want to know how hot the battery got. Both Samsung and iPhone are known to intentionally pull back to protect the battery. If the outside of the device was 48C (and if you look closely in his video he even found a 51C reading), I have a hard time believing the battery was any less than 46C, which would likely put it around 4C higher than the Samsung would allow.
I don't game on my mobile so pay very little attention to benchmarks, but it's good to know it looks fairly positive anyway. I walked around 4 stores today on my office day to try to find a pro fold and all I managed was a dummy unit. But impressed with size open and closed, can't wait for my preorder to arrive in a couple of weeks 🎉 Keep up the good work. You are my go to source for all things pixel and especially fold!
This is confusing to me because I don't care about benchmarks but most of the latest reviews on this have mentioned how it slows down at times and lags when opening images or other very basic stuff and it's been a constant thing I've noticed being repeated over and over. If part of the RAM is dedicated to AI and can't be used by other tasks then it makes sense but I can't overlook lagginess for something I have no use for at all (AI). If I'm wrong I'm glad and I'll get the device since I can get it for 60% off via trade-in but it's been mentioned so many times I don't think I am?
Of all things I may be curious or concerned about regarding the 9 Pro Fold, the G4 chip really isn't one of them. I think it'll be just what we all expect and will run just fine.
Aside from the “benchmarks”, one concern I have is the use of AI. I use is minimally on my S24U and it has no real impact on speed. I am testing AI tools on my 15ProMax and there it has a noticeable speed and battery impact (yes, I know it’s a beta). What is the impact Gemini will have on the 9 Pro/9 Pro XL? That is IMO a bigger and better question.
Was wondering what onboard ai tools were you running on your phones? Cause most ai that the average person use nowadays runs on cloud or at least a computer.
And what really gets me excited is the Pixel usually gets better after 2wks of usage. I'm 3 days in and it has been giving me stellar battery life so far.
Hey Shane, those commas are the Indian place value system for numbers. In the Indian place value system, commas are placed after every two digits starting from the right, after the first three digits, to separate thousands, lakhs, and crores (e.g., 1,23,45,678).
There's a few things I would say about that test. Firstly, if it's supposed to represent a real world test, having it not sitting flat on a table is probably best. I know all three of them were in the same conditions, but I've had all sorts of phones overheat when you do this. Technically, having it elevated is more "real world" as it's closer to how it would behave in hand. Secondly, on my fold 6, I've tweaked my heat settings with thermal guardian. You can adjust the heat thresholds as well as screen dimming. It's possible that the default is too conservative, and you can see the s24's temps are actually lower, when it closes multi window, which is the first thing Samsung does when the heat goes too high. Once I've tweaked this default, I've had a hard time getting multi window to crash, even in very similar situations as the test.
Tensor G4 is a higher clocked Tensor G3. And for me the benchmarks are indicative of the performance. In theory they do not matter. However, my Pixel 8 Pro lags and stutters in all and every app, while my Xperia 1V does not. Are developers optimizing the apps for Sony? I don't think so. Tensor G3 feels and is inferior to SD Gen 2 in every single way. Don't get me wrong. I love Pixels and I have the 7, the 8 Pro, the tablet and the watch 2. But we need to be true to ourselves. I am quite disappointed. I was expecting G4 to be a modified Exynos 2400 which is good this year. Oh well...
G4 uses a different core count and each core type is upgraded, so that's not exactly accurate. I won't dispute that your Pixel 8 Pro "lags and stutters in every app," but I will tell that isn't normal lol.
@@ethanosterhout8204 it does not have a problem and does not lag like a broken phone. I am just making a point that you can see the Exynos stutter type all over. And compared to the SD 8 Gen 2 is not even fair. Just try.
Here's the way I always look at benchmarks and stress tests. "Here's your phone going through it's paces and being stressed in ways that you will absolutely never ever stress it in normal everyday usage."
I don't take many reviewers word for it anymore mostly because they often shit on pixels for the heat and this and that but they fit my personal preference much better than Samsung and Apple I enjoy the simple clean software and monthly updates and all the great features that I use regularly on my Pixel like call screening and the great cameras. I don't need the best benchmarks score for my phone to be great for me.
I agree. I'm at a point in my life where I just want my phone to work. And people complaining about cameras still boggles my mind. Not sure how much better they can get. Unless you're a photographer and want to use the phones for their cameras, then I would suggest getting a DSLR camera at that point. A picture at 12 MegaPixels of your kid picking their nose on their birthday versus a 50 MegaPixel picture of the same thing not going to make any difference.
What I've understood about the reviews is that the device is quite laggy in basic use like opening photos or taking them, and this is because part of the RAM has been dedicated to AI exclusively and the phone can't actually use it for other tasks. For someone who doesn't care about AI and needs a smooth experience I think I will pass. I'm probably going for OP Open.
Tokens per second refers to their large language model performance, this is the ability to generate outputs at speed. So for example if it needs to re-write a sentence of c.60 words (~45 tokens), it should take around a second. The "capable" part though very variable I imagine, it would depend on things like RAM availability, heat etc - probably more sensitive than the CPU based tasks.
Did you not see the part of the video where the Pixel ran the game better than the other phones? When benchmarks don't tell you how well thing actually works, what's the point?
I am waiting for emulation performance like PS2/GC to determine if it is worth the upgrade. I am interested in the 9 Pro for the Cameras and 16GB RAM that I feel would have more longevity due to how much RAM AI models require. But my use cases include PS2 JRPGs and I am concerned if one less medium core impacts emulation performance.
Benchmarks are really just a number to display how good the device is, but considering how many of them have been cheated on or modified the phone's performance to get a better number shows how silly they are nowadays. Benchmarks don't show that one plus has had an issue with a severe delay when switching apps or how much Samsung has to throttle down in order to sustain performance. That's why, generally, iPhones perform very well in the long run since they focus on sustained performance over a long period of time and work on their weaknesses, which I think is smart that Google is focusing on. Only time will tell to see if after seven years the phone performs as good as it did at launch. Even if some apps take a long time to load, there are many older iPhones that still perform really impressively for how old they are.
My pixel fold runs perfectly on the G2, and is incredibly quick. No overheating no nothing. These days I think benchmarks are pointless on phones tbh, they are all just fast now
I love this phone but the only thing stopping me buying it is that is not dust and barely water resistant. Since I work in a tree farm that is my main concern
Benchmarks don't mean much. It's all about the real world usage. I've watched his channel for a couple yrs now and he's very good at what he does and keeps it 💯% with whatever device he's testing. I was very happy and surprised at the same time with these results. Keep up the good work Shane! Love your channel and your content.
You mentioned external temperature as opposed to internal. Well the external is what one feels. And the external temperature for previous pixel were aways HOT!!
I'm interested in the Pixel 9 Pro XL, i only have one question, i tend to game with my phone, does anybody know if it can run at maximum graphics without any lag games like Zenless Zone Zero? Nobody did a test on that game right now
I went to best buy and compered the Samsung 24 ultra and the pixel 9 pro xl .the Samsung seems to have a bigger screen even dough both are 6.8 inch My pixel 7 pro seems to be wider . Can you compere the actual screen view size ??
I've left my pixel 1, 2, 3, 5, 6 XL, 7 XL. BUT.....my biggest problem has been heat during video. Every single time videoing my children's sports, it has to quit because of heat.
Here’s my opinion if you’re selling a device between $1000 and upwards of $2000 and your chip set isn’t up to par with apples chip set or the snapdragon chip set you are not allowed to charge that kind of price. It’s not a flagship device at that point Hardware is useless without good software and Samsung and Apple‘s track record have delivered great hardware with great software google on the other hand, the founder of android which you would think would have fantastic software their software is laggy slow and it’s a pile of garbage and their devices hardware have not been up to par with the pricing that they charge so with these new devices, the hardware, according to reviewers are fantastic, but having a chip set, which literally helps with the day-to-day operations run smoothly not being up to par with its competitors is a joke. You want to tell me that you Are going to support these new devices for seven years with a chip set That matches the specs of devices from five years ago, but yet it’s going to run for the next seven years smoothly, not a chance
I can't believe how many people are missing the point of this video. Synthetic benchmarks are not a good way to determine if a phone is fast or not. You're saying that it's not up to par with the other chips. How are you determining that? Clearly, you're looking at synthetic benchmark scores and ignoring real world performance. My question will be why are you doing that? Why are you throwing out performance that matters in exchange for benchmark scores that don't translate anything in the real world?
@@shanecraigtech I totally get your point of the video and I agree with you but coming from a pixel user since the pixel one and every single device has been a slow laggy pile of garbage has proven to me that having a chip set capable of hand handling day-to-day tasks, and being able to have the power to run these modern apps and games and processes really matters I don’t care that the benchmarks are showing low numbers I care about day-to-day use and Google with their pixel phones have always under delivered on performance always now with that said I will purchase these new pixel phones. I haven’t figured out which one I want yet and I will give it another shot because the hardware is too good to pass so I’m gonna give them another chance, but their track record has been bad that’s my point.
@@WesleyWenhold let me get this straight... You bought every pixel phone, find them all to be very laggy in day to day stuff, complain about their price yet keep buying them?
@@BananaBlooD9517 yes because I am a tech nerd. I buy quite a lot of different phones from different manufacturers and I swap them out on a regular that’s one of my hobbies so I invest a lot of time and money into mobile phones. every year one manufacturer does me dirty. It’s either Samsung with the note 7 Apple with the iPhone 6 with Bengate. LG G6 with its issues ,Google pixel with her bad laggy software goes on and on. But I love the hardware and experiencing all the new features that each platform offers so regardless of their downfall, I still purchase and I still go in to the purchase with a open mind and a hope that their software will be improved with every new generation or phone most of the time I’m disappointed by a few things With each device but nothings perfect. It still doesn’t take away from the fact that companies have gotten used to selling unfinished products that are not polished like for example Apple and their horrible new software that is in no way shape or form ready for public use but yet they still release it with tons of bugs And people that love iPhones eat it up and just ignore the problems and deny it and try to say that Apple is the best and has zero flaws, which is BS! I may be harsh on manufacturers and call them out on their BS, but that’s because I am a tech lover, and I am always wanting to have the newest tech and with that comes essentially being a beta tester to new technologies, which usually come with problems. also, I’ve never complained about their price. Google pixel phones have always had great pricing. I’m clearly stating they are claiming these phones are pro devices while charging over $1000 but yet only giving you 128 gigs of storage with a chip set that has benchmarks of devices from 4 to 5 years ago. But we will see if Google has finally figured out how to optimize their hardware with their software. This is why I will purchase one of the new pixel phones this year and use it as my main device alongside my iPhone.(which I use for business.) and once Samsung releases their as 25 lineup, I will trade in my Google pixel and get the next Samsung device and then I repeat that process throughout the year when other phones are released.
These metrics or benchmarks are created for marketing and companies play games on the mind of the people using these attributes. In real world these have no impact on a well engineered software and hardware of the phone. So these results have no meaning for regular users. Phones with good battery life , supremely optimised software and hardware wise if it doesn't heat like crazy and give stutter free performance is all that matters for me .
I would say that too if I was using the Samsung's inferior exynos chip. The benchmark doesn't include the exynos modem running 5g is drains battery and runs hot.
@@uploadmeful on older versions of the tensor/Exynos chip, yes, but they built it off of a newer Exynos chip than before which seems to have made massive improvements in that regard. I won't know for sure how much it's improved until I actually use it though
The exynos 2400 uses a completely different modem than the one found in tensor G4 which is the exynos 5400 way better and efficient than the exynos 2400 5300 modem. The good part is the exynos 5400 gives the pixel satellite connectivity which is the first android phone to make use of it@@johinthpathirs7139
Benchmark scores don't tell the whole story. I can tell you I've used every brand and despite Pixels not having high scores like Apple and Samsung, it's more smooth in my experience. You don't buy Pixels for raw power just like you don't buy Apple for customization or Samsung for a light skin. Not everyone puts that much emphasis on having the highest geekbench scores.
Even mr Emad video doesn't mean it has better performance .. Last year he did the same with Pixel 8 pro but in day by day life usage it gets warm and slowly. Still these tests are not clear if there is any futures disabled or anything else.
The embargo ends tomorrow, so we should see some meat on the bones. I always say that OS and software integration and optimization are the future. We have reached a point where chips are overkill, as they can only sustain performance with active cooling. That is where Google and Apple dominate over Samsung and its rivals. Instead, these rivals chase specs and features to sway consumers to make up for worse optimisation. I have had many Pixels, and my Pixel 8 Pro gets me through two days with around 3 hours of SOT per day.
Realisticly on the cpu side of things the tensor g4 and snapdragon 8 Gen 3 use very similar arm cores, with the big- little distribution being 1-5-2 for the snapdragon vs 1-3-4 for the Tensor, other than some architectural differences they shouldn't feel too different in daily use
@NLiukonen the issue is samsungs manufacturing process. They are just not as good as TSMC if you need to know how bad they where I hope they arnt as bad any more look at the snapdragon 8 gen 1 vs the 8 gen +1 literally the same processor minus a small frequency boost across cpu cores and gpu, and also the gpu's are different for both of the processor so slightly different cpu config very different gpu, Qualcomm is I house vs googles arm reference design which often times prove to be slower than anything Qualcomm has offered generation after generation.
@@GoldenNadaahh makes sense, I didn't realize that Samsung's manufacturing made such a difference when they are the same "core", and yeah the Gpu is definitely a consideration as well, since I dont really play games on my phone I wasnt thinking about the overall usage difference that would make
Looking at that @5:00 that temp for the pixel 9 concerns me as this is one of my main gripes I had with the pixel 8 pro. I hated how hot the thing got at times just from general use. I've never gamed on it. Simply used it for social media, texting and periodic calls. I'm strongly considering the foldable iteration of this 9th generation, so this concerns me even more.
They are saying it's basically gonna be a minor Upgrade compared to the Google Tensor G3 in the Google Pixel 8 Series Phones so if your like myself and already have a Google Pixel 8 Pro especially if it's a 256 GB Model then no it's not really worth Upgrading from the Google Pixel 8 Series to the Google Pixel 9 Series.
Devil's advocate here: What if Google 's performance is good because they allow a higher heat limit at the expense of internal longevity ie.battery (which is well known to degrade under heat). On the other hand, we rarely run our phones that hot so Google's philosophy of allowing it to run hotter is actually better in everyday use.
Tensor is just a exynos, with a custom npu and arm reference gpu cores. So to me I feel like it's international Galaxy S22 vs US Galaxy S22. Ideally they are supposed to be the same phone but one uses Qualcomm and the other uses Samsung Exynos cpu but everyone felt cheated with the international version. Even tho the s22 was a better performer than the pixel 7 both versions but because the snapdragon not only scored better in benchmarks but generally had better battery life they still felt cheated even though the UI experience and day to day use was pretty much the same.
I only care about benchmarks when it. Ones to my cpu and gpu in my gaming pc. My phone I just want a decent battery and some cool features. This is why I preordered the new pixel fold 👍
Idk how to measure speed, but changing to my s21U from the iPhone 13promax and man the 13promax is faster and more responsive when jumping through apps.
Synthetic benchmarks is all useless for non gamers 😅so for normal people iPhone 15 pm==pixel 9 pro===s24 ultra.. Go for personal preferences and use cases.
How is the test in that video considered "real world"?! It's as contrived and artificial a scenario as a "synthetic benchmark". No one uses their phone in the way described in that video.
For most people if a phone doesn’t have the latest and best Snapdragon then the phone is slow, and the funny thing is most people who complain about that don’t do anything that needs that type of performance. I bet if you would take their “super fast” phone without them even knowing and take out that Snapdragon and put in any other processor in it they would never even know the difference. Some will say I play games on my phone, and yeah sure maybe what once or twice in the time you have the phone. So still if you want to pay more way more for that Snapdragon then hey sure it’s your money, but it’s a waste of money and it’s just a way for these phone companies to charge more for their phones for no reason.
Apple with their A SoC & Google with Tensor are way more optimized than Samsung is with Snapdragon because they are much more involved in the making of said SoC. Samsung cameras are the best on paper yet Google & Apple beat them in almost every category.
If you take a loads of videos, only buy Apple. Any android gets hot like hell after a while. Same goes for gaming or else get a gaming smartphone. They can usually manage the heat
I'm not saying his video is doctored or BS... but having both the s24 ultra and the 15 pro max, I play games like carX street which is definitely a power hungry non efficient game.. I also emulate while using dex and I've never had issues with my s24 ultra even after a couple of hours playtime. Yes it gets warm, yes the screen dims after a while, but never have I had my s24 ultra crash like that 😂 I've even streamed carX street to Facebook while playing online... albeit, only for something like 20-30 minutes.. I don't understand.. maybe he has a faulty s24? I know people have had a bunch of issues with exynos versions and even some with the snapdragons apparently..I'm fortunate not to have these issues I guess
Benchmarks done to death. Haven't iPhones proven than, Apparently even the old chips are still bench bosses but seemingly won't even get some basic stuff coming out likely next year from Apple. So what's the point 🤣
It looks like the 9 and 9 Pro/xl have a new architecture where the charge port is separate from the main board. The fold appears to have the same old architecture where the main board extends along the side all the way to the bottom and is attached to the type-c charger port
Just listening to all the Pixel devotees on here saying how they don't care about benchmarks. A year from now, when the Pixel 10 could very well be beating all it's rivals in benchmark tests, those same devotees will be shouting this fact from the rooftops. 😅😅😅
Another way to look at this is that some people don't care about benchmark numbers when they don't seem to have a whole lot of bearing on actual performance. This seems completely reasonable to me. Now, if somehow the pixel 10 does score really highly in benchmarks I'm sure there will be people who will brag about that, but it's still not something that's going to interest me. I care how the phone actually performs in my hand, not how good it is at a benchmark.
For me 9 pro blew me away that it could compete with the other flagships while next gen is Google first iteration with TSMC so you can take it with a grain of salt and if it scores higher than snapdragon then it's gotta be cause it's TSMC but if it's not (which I think it's gonna be cause like I said earlier first iteration), wait for the pixel 11
My main concern is cellular connectivity, my pixel 8 pro randomly loses all signal and inhave to cycle airplane mode. That doesnt happen with my iphone or s24U. Its crazy to be selling phone at damn near $2000 with inferior chipsets.
This is literally how some of you sound to me.
"here's a thing that simulates the phone doing work and it says it's slow"
Okay, here's the phone actually doing work and it's pretty damn fast.
"I don't care about that" 🤔🤔
@@shanecraigtech Stop trying to change people's mind with actual evidence 😂
@@shanecraigtech I probably should have stated more in my first response but I’m not basing these phone entirely off of benchmarks I’m basing them off of personal use case where they were pure garbage and under preformed in every way! There haven’t been one pixel device to run smoothly and I’ve owned them all. Nexus phone were the only ones that ran fast and fluid on low end specs. My point is Google shouldn’t sell a device that isn’t up to pair with the competition and call it pro especially when 99 percent of all its pro features are done not on device but in the cloud behind a pay wall. These new pixels look so good and if reviewers are correct the hardware is miles ahead of what they ever had in past phones so I’m excited to still give them another try and see if they actually deliver in performance and day to day tasks. I always have an iPhone and I always have an android phone. I’m a two phone guy so, with that said I could be proven wrong with the 9 pros but I’ve always had high hopes and always was proven correct with these phones being trash. Also have you seen the videos of the cameras? Laggy and stuttering when switching focal lengths and not looking very promising. So eventually we will see. Google doesn’t have a great track record with supporting devices.
Howling
@WesleyWenhold "There haven’t been one pixel device to run smoothly"
This just isn't my experience 🤷
What this nonsense about being, G4 has modern ARM cores for petes sake. There hasnt been a slow mobile CPU in years from anyone.
You guys realize that many smartphone manufacturers optimize clock speeds and software to run these benchmarks programs to achieve the highest score possible. Benchmarks are a marketing tool period.
I have always watched his video and loved them. He did this with Pixel 8 pro last year. His test are real world applications and it puts the phones through the wringer.
I stopped caring about benchmark scores around the snapdragon 835 days
As everyone else should too.
That’s dumb, if you’ve used the original Pixel Fold, you’ll realize how important it is to this phone…. The tensor chips need a lot of work even to run stock Android. Fingers crossed they made some improvements.
Yeah but things load in 1 second when they could load in .94 seconds LOL. Phones are so fast now days it doesn't make a noticeable difference to mass majority. Benchmarks are just a selling/marketing thing. Does it make reliable phone calls does it take fantastic pics and videos then that is the phone I want. My main gripe is the Pixel 8 pro takes a slow a$$ 50mp picture. I don't know if the 9 Pro resolves this issue.
I'm a tech enthusiast, but by no means a tech expert. But for everything I use my phone for, I've never seen any perceivable difference between my flagship phones. Therefore, I tend to go for aesthetics and interface usability. I love my pixel fold and will get the pro fold when it comes out.
This comment!! People always regurgitating some stupid benchmarks scores to justify iPhone and Samsung smh. I have a P6P and it never lagged as opposed to my 13Pro which lags when im using imsg
Well I just received a message from Google that my Pixel 9 PRO XL 512gb color Hazel has been shipped and arrives this Thursday 22nd! That is my benchmark!! 😁😁😁👍💪
I haven't received the email yet. Which country are you in?
@@itsmealikhanSpain.. where are you?
Nice. Enjoy. I gotta wait till October for my 9 pro fold 🙃
@@ThomasTheTankEngine22 UPDATE just received a message arrives Tomorrow August 21st! 👍👍👍😎
Same , this is in Canada
Thanks dude, your videos save me a ton of time and puts everything into one place.
Hey Shane. Really enjoying the content. Enjoyable and importantly impartial. Keep it up 👍🏼
Wow... your channel has exploded. Congrats bro. Keep it up.
Been waiting on this coverage
I don't care about benchmarks ECT .. Real World in Hand Usage , that's what really counts 💯👍🏾
Agree! I have a Pixel 7 and it never feels slow and the camera keeps amazing me. So yes, benchmarks for phones say nothing.
@djshineboy yeah the only reason I am trading mine is it's no longer water resistant.
Great info as always. Those of us who use Pixel's know that benchmarks don't tell the whole story. Definitely going to check out that video from In Depth Tech Reviews.
I'm like that you're pushing out videos faster now. Thanks 😊
The thing that concerns me is I want to know how hot the battery got. Both Samsung and iPhone are known to intentionally pull back to protect the battery. If the outside of the device was 48C (and if you look closely in his video he even found a 51C reading), I have a hard time believing the battery was any less than 46C, which would likely put it around 4C higher than the Samsung would allow.
Thermals remain my biggest worry too. Measuring from the outside isn't a great way to measure the battery temp though, so who knows.
I don't game on my mobile so pay very little attention to benchmarks, but it's good to know it looks fairly positive anyway.
I walked around 4 stores today on my office day to try to find a pro fold and all I managed was a dummy unit. But impressed with size open and closed, can't wait for my preorder to arrive in a couple of weeks 🎉
Keep up the good work. You are my go to source for all things pixel and especially fold!
What carrier?
@@pslim80 Getting mine from Vodafone UK
Numbers don't mean anything to me at all. The pixel software is so smooth I just want good battery life and great signal.
This is confusing to me because I don't care about benchmarks but most of the latest reviews on this have mentioned how it slows down at times and lags when opening images or other very basic stuff and it's been a constant thing I've noticed being repeated over and over. If part of the RAM is dedicated to AI and can't be used by other tasks then it makes sense but I can't overlook lagginess for something I have no use for at all (AI). If I'm wrong I'm glad and I'll get the device since I can get it for 60% off via trade-in but it's been mentioned so many times I don't think I am?
Of all things I may be curious or concerned about regarding the 9 Pro Fold, the G4 chip really isn't one of them. I think it'll be just what we all expect and will run just fine.
Thanks for the video Shane. Great details as always!
Aside from the “benchmarks”, one concern I have is the use of AI. I use is minimally on my S24U and it has no real impact on speed. I am testing AI tools on my 15ProMax and there it has a noticeable speed and battery impact (yes, I know it’s a beta). What is the impact Gemini will have on the 9 Pro/9 Pro XL? That is IMO a bigger and better question.
Was wondering what onboard ai tools were you running on your phones?
Cause most ai that the average person use nowadays runs on cloud or at least a computer.
Just curious because I don’t know what’s available.
And what really gets me excited is the Pixel usually gets better after 2wks of usage. I'm 3 days in and it has been giving me stellar battery life so far.
Hey Shane, those commas are the Indian place value system for numbers. In the Indian place value system, commas are placed after every two digits starting from the right, after the first three digits, to separate thousands, lakhs, and crores (e.g., 1,23,45,678).
Oh, interesting! Good to know!
If u paying about the same price as other phones it matters
Thanks for this information and your shirt is 🔥
There's a few things I would say about that test.
Firstly, if it's supposed to represent a real world test, having it not sitting flat on a table is probably best. I know all three of them were in the same conditions, but I've had all sorts of phones overheat when you do this. Technically, having it elevated is more "real world" as it's closer to how it would behave in hand.
Secondly, on my fold 6, I've tweaked my heat settings with thermal guardian. You can adjust the heat thresholds as well as screen dimming. It's possible that the default is too conservative, and you can see the s24's temps are actually lower, when it closes multi window, which is the first thing Samsung does when the heat goes too high. Once I've tweaked this default, I've had a hard time getting multi window to crash, even in very similar situations as the test.
Tensor G4 is a higher clocked Tensor G3. And for me the benchmarks are indicative of the performance. In theory they do not matter. However, my Pixel 8 Pro lags and stutters in all and every app, while my Xperia 1V does not. Are developers optimizing the apps for Sony? I don't think so. Tensor G3 feels and is inferior to SD Gen 2 in every single way. Don't get me wrong. I love Pixels and I have the 7, the 8 Pro, the tablet and the watch 2. But we need to be true to ourselves. I am quite disappointed. I was expecting G4 to be a modified Exynos 2400 which is good this year. Oh well...
G4 uses a different core count and each core type is upgraded, so that's not exactly accurate. I won't dispute that your Pixel 8 Pro "lags and stutters in every app," but I will tell that isn't normal lol.
Yeah sorry man, that lagging that your talking about is definitely not normal. I’ve had the Pixel 8 since launch and it has never lagged
@@ethanosterhout8204 it does not have a problem and does not lag like a broken phone. I am just making a point that you can see the Exynos stutter type all over. And compared to the SD 8 Gen 2 is not even fair. Just try.
Here's the way I always look at benchmarks and stress tests. "Here's your phone going through it's paces and being stressed in ways that you will absolutely never ever stress it in normal everyday usage."
I don't take many reviewers word for it anymore mostly because they often shit on pixels for the heat and this and that but they fit my personal preference much better than Samsung and Apple I enjoy the simple clean software and monthly updates and all the great features that I use regularly on my Pixel like call screening and the great cameras. I don't need the best benchmarks score for my phone to be great for me.
I agree. I'm at a point in my life where I just want my phone to work. And people complaining about cameras still boggles my mind. Not sure how much better they can get. Unless you're a photographer and want to use the phones for their cameras, then I would suggest getting a DSLR camera at that point. A picture at 12 MegaPixels of your kid picking their nose on their birthday versus a 50 MegaPixel picture of the same thing not going to make any difference.
@@KevboKev I humbly agree.
Damn, you're on a roll! Finish one video and now there's another lol.
That's what I do!
Very interesting and informative video. Well done, Shane.
Thats great news. Thanks shane.
Great video. You’ve earned a new subscriber 🤍
What I've understood about the reviews is that the device is quite laggy in basic use like opening photos or taking them, and this is because part of the RAM has been dedicated to AI exclusively and the phone can't actually use it for other tasks. For someone who doesn't care about AI and needs a smooth experience I think I will pass. I'm probably going for OP Open.
This showed me that next year Pixel 10 is going to blow everyone away
Don't set yourself up for disappointment
TSMC isnt some miracle
battery life is probably the bigger concern
Yep, same performance but more efficient and I'll be happy. Let's hope that next year we get the best of both worlds.
Tokens per second refers to their large language model performance, this is the ability to generate outputs at speed. So for example if it needs to re-write a sentence of c.60 words (~45 tokens), it should take around a second. The "capable" part though very variable I imagine, it would depend on things like RAM availability, heat etc - probably more sensitive than the CPU based tasks.
Pixel's Software is so buttery smooth that I honestly don't care haha great video Shane 😎
If u a gamer it matters ,if u multitask it matters
Did you not see the part of the video where the Pixel ran the game better than the other phones? When benchmarks don't tell you how well thing actually works, what's the point?
Pixel has better optimization. Remember IPhone had terrible benchmark benchmarks but ran faster than android they run very good
I am waiting for emulation performance like PS2/GC to determine if it is worth the upgrade. I am interested in the 9 Pro for the Cameras and 16GB RAM that I feel would have more longevity due to how much RAM AI models require. But my use cases include PS2 JRPGs and I am concerned if one less medium core impacts emulation performance.
Good video.
Just remember that if someone complains about the new Huawei phone with Kirin.
8G4 isn't out yet WTF
Benchmarks are really just a number to display how good the device is, but considering how many of them have been cheated on or modified the phone's performance to get a better number shows how silly they are nowadays. Benchmarks don't show that one plus has had an issue with a severe delay when switching apps or how much Samsung has to throttle down in order to sustain performance.
That's why, generally, iPhones perform very well in the long run since they focus on sustained performance over a long period of time and work on their weaknesses, which I think is smart that Google is focusing on. Only time will tell to see if after seven years the phone performs as good as it did at launch. Even if some apps take a long time to load, there are many older iPhones that still perform really impressively for how old they are.
My pixel fold runs perfectly on the G2, and is incredibly quick. No overheating no nothing. These days I think benchmarks are pointless on phones tbh, they are all just fast now
I love this phone but the only thing stopping me buying it is that is not dust and barely water resistant. Since I work in a tree farm that is my main concern
Benchmarks don't mean much. It's all about the real world usage. I've watched his channel for a couple yrs now and he's very good at what he does and keeps it 💯% with whatever device he's testing. I was very happy and surprised at the same time with these results. Keep up the good work Shane! Love your channel and your content.
You mentioned external temperature as opposed to internal. Well the external is what one feels. And the external temperature for previous pixel were aways HOT!!
My 9 Pro XL will be delivered tomorrow
I'm interested in the Pixel 9 Pro XL, i only have one question, i tend to game with my phone, does anybody know if it can run at maximum graphics without any lag games like Zenless Zone Zero? Nobody did a test on that game right now
my pixel fold now, feels no different to me then a G3 or snapdragon 2 phone so i am sure the g4 will be just as fast with better efficiency
No one care about benchmarks anymore unless you're maxtech that's all they care about.
I went to best buy and compered the Samsung 24 ultra and the pixel 9 pro xl .the Samsung seems to have a bigger screen even dough both are 6.8 inch
My pixel 7 pro seems to be wider . Can you compere the actual screen view size ??
Pixel 6 still snappy.
I've left my pixel 1, 2, 3, 5, 6 XL, 7 XL. BUT.....my biggest problem has been heat during video. Every single time videoing my children's sports, it has to quit because of heat.
Here’s my opinion if you’re selling a device between $1000 and upwards of $2000 and your chip set isn’t up to par with apples chip set or the snapdragon chip set you are not allowed to charge that kind of price. It’s not a flagship device at that point Hardware is useless without good software and Samsung and Apple‘s track record have delivered great hardware with great software google on the other hand, the founder of android which you would think would have fantastic software their software is laggy slow and it’s a pile of garbage and their devices hardware have not been up to par with the pricing that they charge so with these new devices, the hardware, according to reviewers are fantastic, but having a chip set, which literally helps with the day-to-day operations run smoothly not being up to par with its competitors is a joke. You want to tell me that you
Are going to support these new devices for seven years with a chip set That matches the specs of devices from five years ago, but yet it’s going to run for the next seven years smoothly, not a chance
I can't believe how many people are missing the point of this video. Synthetic benchmarks are not a good way to determine if a phone is fast or not.
You're saying that it's not up to par with the other chips. How are you determining that? Clearly, you're looking at synthetic benchmark scores and ignoring real world performance. My question will be why are you doing that? Why are you throwing out performance that matters in exchange for benchmark scores that don't translate anything in the real world?
@@shanecraigtech I totally get your point of the video and I agree with you but coming from a pixel user since the pixel one and every single device has been a slow laggy pile of garbage has proven to me that having a chip set capable of hand handling day-to-day tasks, and being able to have the power to run these modern apps and games and processes really matters I don’t care that the benchmarks are showing low numbers I care about day-to-day use and Google with their pixel phones have always under delivered on performance always now with that said I will purchase these new pixel phones. I haven’t figured out which one I want yet and I will give it another shot because the hardware is too good to pass so I’m gonna give them another chance, but their track record has been bad that’s my point.
@@WesleyWenholdYou can try Pixel 9 Pro/ XL first then if you don't like it, you can return it and buy iphone 16 pro/ max
@@WesleyWenhold let me get this straight... You bought every pixel phone, find them all to be very laggy in day to day stuff, complain about their price yet keep buying them?
@@BananaBlooD9517 yes because I am a tech nerd. I buy quite a lot of different phones from different manufacturers and I swap them out on a regular that’s one of my hobbies so I invest a lot of time and money into mobile phones. every year one manufacturer does me dirty. It’s either Samsung with the note 7 Apple with the iPhone 6 with Bengate. LG G6 with its issues ,Google pixel with her bad laggy software goes on and on. But I love the hardware and experiencing all the new features that each platform offers so regardless of their downfall, I still purchase and I still go in to the purchase with a open mind and a hope that their software will be improved with every new generation or phone most of the time I’m disappointed by a few things With each device but nothings perfect. It still doesn’t take away from the fact that companies have gotten used to selling unfinished products that are not polished like for example Apple and their horrible new software that is in no way shape or form ready for public use but yet they still release it with tons of bugs And people that love iPhones eat it up and just ignore the problems and deny it and try to say that Apple is the best and has zero flaws, which is BS! I may be harsh on manufacturers and call them out on their BS, but that’s because I am a tech lover, and I am always wanting to have the newest tech and with that comes essentially being a beta tester to new technologies, which usually come with problems. also, I’ve never complained about their price. Google pixel phones have always had great pricing. I’m clearly stating they are claiming these phones are pro devices while charging over $1000 but yet only giving you 128 gigs of storage with a chip set that has benchmarks of devices from 4 to 5 years ago. But we will see if Google has finally figured out how to optimize their hardware with their software. This is why I will purchase one of the new pixel phones this year and use it as my main device alongside my iPhone.(which I use for business.) and once Samsung releases their as 25 lineup, I will trade in my Google pixel and get the next Samsung device and then I repeat that process throughout the year when other phones are released.
These metrics or benchmarks are created for marketing and companies play games on the mind of the people using these attributes. In real world these have no impact on a well engineered software and hardware of the phone. So these results have no meaning for regular users. Phones with good battery life , supremely optimised software and hardware wise if it doesn't heat like crazy and give stutter free performance is all that matters for me .
Tbh I stopped caring so much about benchmarks about few years ago. Taking them with a grain or two of salt
Hopefully the tests and benchmarks aren't 'how fast do apps load'. Imagine if that was how they determined PC performance.
Google already said that they not going for benchmarks which most people don't give a shit about.
I would say that too if I was using the Samsung's inferior exynos chip. The benchmark doesn't include the exynos modem running 5g is drains battery and runs hot.
@@uploadmeful on older versions of the tensor/Exynos chip, yes, but they built it off of a newer Exynos chip than before which seems to have made massive improvements in that regard. I won't know for sure how much it's improved until I actually use it though
@@LumosTerris s24 exynos is facing network issues and also is draining the battery faster compared to snapdragon. That's why I am fearing to buy one
The exynos 2400 uses a completely different modem than the one found in tensor G4 which is the exynos 5400 way better and efficient than the exynos 2400 5300 modem. The good part is the exynos 5400 gives the pixel satellite connectivity which is the first android phone to make use of it@@johinthpathirs7139
Benchmark scores don't tell the whole story. I can tell you I've used every brand and despite Pixels not having high scores like Apple and Samsung, it's more smooth in my experience. You don't buy Pixels for raw power just like you don't buy Apple for customization or Samsung for a light skin. Not everyone puts that much emphasis on having the highest geekbench scores.
Android 15 may just fix heating issue. My 6 Pro on 15 beta is noticably cooler.
Even mr Emad video doesn't mean it has better performance ..
Last year he did the same with Pixel 8 pro but in day by day life usage it gets warm and slowly.
Still these tests are not clear if there is any futures disabled or anything else.
He literally said it was faster in the video lol
The embargo ends tomorrow, so we should see some meat on the bones.
I always say that OS and software integration and optimization are the future. We have reached a point where chips are overkill, as they can only sustain performance with active cooling. That is where Google and Apple dominate over Samsung and its rivals. Instead, these rivals chase specs and features to sway consumers to make up for worse optimisation.
I have had many Pixels, and my Pixel 8 Pro gets me through two days with around 3 hours of SOT per day.
Realisticly on the cpu side of things the tensor g4 and snapdragon 8 Gen 3 use very similar arm cores, with the big- little distribution being 1-5-2 for the snapdragon vs 1-3-4 for the Tensor, other than some architectural differences they shouldn't feel too different in daily use
@NLiukonen the issue is samsungs manufacturing process. They are just not as good as TSMC if you need to know how bad they where I hope they arnt as bad any more look at the snapdragon 8 gen 1 vs the 8 gen +1 literally the same processor minus a small frequency boost across cpu cores and gpu, and also the gpu's are different for both of the processor so slightly different cpu config very different gpu, Qualcomm is I house vs googles arm reference design which often times prove to be slower than anything Qualcomm has offered generation after generation.
@@GoldenNadaahh makes sense, I didn't realize that Samsung's manufacturing made such a difference when they are the same "core", and yeah the Gpu is definitely a consideration as well, since I dont really play games on my phone I wasnt thinking about the overall usage difference that would make
Looking at that @5:00 that temp for the pixel 9 concerns me as this is one of my main gripes I had with the pixel 8 pro. I hated how hot the thing got at times just from general use. I've never gamed on it. Simply used it for social media, texting and periodic calls. I'm strongly considering the foldable iteration of this 9th generation, so this concerns me even more.
Me as a Google pixel 8 Pro user cannot believe that The Samsung s24 Ultra is doing that poorly!! Can someone test this with another device?
They are saying it's basically gonna be a minor Upgrade compared to the Google Tensor G3 in the Google Pixel 8 Series Phones so if your like myself and already have a Google Pixel 8 Pro especially if it's a 256 GB Model then no it's not really worth Upgrading from the Google Pixel 8 Series to the Google Pixel 9 Series.
To be fair, that's true of virtually every phone. Single generations are almost never big leaps anymore.
@@shanecraigtech True! They do need to make 256 GB's the New Standard though and stop this 128 GB nonsense.
Devil's advocate here: What if Google 's performance is good because they allow a higher heat limit at the expense of internal longevity ie.battery (which is well known to degrade under heat). On the other hand, we rarely run our phones that hot so Google's philosophy of allowing it to run hotter is actually better in everyday use.
You don't buy a Pixel phone for gaming! It is generally a great phone for ordinary use & is generally great at photography & videos.
Tensor is just a exynos, with a custom npu and arm reference gpu cores. So to me I feel like it's international Galaxy S22 vs US Galaxy S22. Ideally they are supposed to be the same phone but one uses Qualcomm and the other uses Samsung Exynos cpu but everyone felt cheated with the international version. Even tho the s22 was a better performer than the pixel 7 both versions but because the snapdragon not only scored better in benchmarks but generally had better battery life they still felt cheated even though the UI experience and day to day use was pretty much the same.
I only care about benchmarks when it. Ones to my cpu and gpu in my gaming pc. My phone I just want a decent battery and some cool features. This is why I preordered the new pixel fold 👍
In depth reviews name is Emad and he is Egyptian 😂❤
Can it handle Monopoly go?
It has better stability and optimization than A17 pro and SD 8 gen 3
Idk how to measure speed, but changing to my s21U from the iPhone 13promax and man the 13promax is faster and more responsive when jumping through apps.
You're confusing animation smoothness for speed
@@enriquefavour don't really need to know how things work, as an average consumer. I just want them to work.
@@nyrubin true that.
Synthetic benchmarks is all useless for non gamers 😅so for normal people iPhone 15 pm==pixel 9 pro===s24 ultra.. Go for personal preferences and use cases.
I'll never mind benchmarks anymore if I did then I couldn't buy the 8pro that I like a lot
Hey thanks for the video very interesting I guess we're just going to have to wait for you to get your pixel test and get the real truth
Overloaded by the nano models clearly. It needs a super sleep mode so it can do real task
It is way slower than Galaxy Fold 6 and Vivo X Fold 3 Pro
No track record available yet so have to assume the worst 😂 until next year
How is the test in that video considered "real world"?! It's as contrived and artificial a scenario as a "synthetic benchmark". No one uses their phone in the way described in that video.
Running apps and playing games?
@@shanecraigtech The way they ran the apps and games in that video isn’t real world at all - or … aren’t the synthetic benchmarks apps as well?
For most people if a phone doesn’t have the latest and best Snapdragon then the phone is slow, and the funny thing is most people who complain about that don’t do anything that needs that type of performance. I bet if you would take their “super fast” phone without them even knowing and take out that Snapdragon and put in any other processor in it they would never even know the difference. Some will say I play games on my phone, and yeah sure maybe what once or twice in the time you have the phone. So still if you want to pay more way more for that Snapdragon then hey sure it’s your money, but it’s a waste of money and it’s just a way for these phone companies to charge more for their phones for no reason.
Apple with their A SoC & Google with Tensor are way more optimized than Samsung is with Snapdragon because they are much more involved in the making of said SoC.
Samsung cameras are the best on paper yet Google & Apple beat them in almost every category.
In-Depths videos are always on point. 💯
If you take a loads of videos, only buy Apple. Any android gets hot like hell after a while. Same goes for gaming or else get a gaming smartphone. They can usually manage the heat
ah,.. sure
Pixel drained more battery but iphone got much dimmer so...
I'm not saying his video is doctored or BS... but having both the s24 ultra and the 15 pro max, I play games like carX street which is definitely a power hungry non efficient game.. I also emulate while using dex and I've never had issues with my s24 ultra even after a couple of hours playtime. Yes it gets warm, yes the screen dims after a while, but never have I had my s24 ultra crash like that 😂 I've even streamed carX street to Facebook while playing online... albeit, only for something like 20-30 minutes.. I don't understand.. maybe he has a faulty s24? I know people have had a bunch of issues with exynos versions and even some with the snapdragons apparently..I'm fortunate not to have these issues I guess
Benchmarks done to death. Haven't iPhones proven than, Apparently even the old chips are still bench bosses but seemingly won't even get some basic stuff coming out likely next year from Apple. So what's the point 🤣
Pixel 7 pro is the worst phone I use .Slow charging ,bad signal and battery drain so much
You average joe enjoy the pixel line up and have no idea about benchmarks.
I only care about the battery... i wanna upgrade my crappy 4 hours sot p8p
Synthetic benchmarks are useless.
I pay zero attention to geekmarks
Tbh i could have the slowest phone out the top 6 and I wouldn't know 😂 . Unless your a gamer, you really would be clutching at straws
Benchmarks, oh yeah..i am gonna gain a lot with those nano seconds gained by a faster processor 😅.
For the price as other competitors yeah it better be the same as Qualcomm
I feel like you're missing the point here. It should be the same as Qualcomm... At what? Synthetic benchmark scores or actual real world performance?
It looks like the 9 and 9 Pro/xl have a new architecture where the charge port is separate from the main board. The fold appears to have the same old architecture where the main board extends along the side all the way to the bottom and is attached to the type-c charger port
Just listening to all the Pixel devotees on here saying how they don't care about benchmarks. A year from now, when the Pixel 10 could very well be beating all it's rivals in benchmark tests, those same devotees will be shouting this fact from the rooftops. 😅😅😅
Another way to look at this is that some people don't care about benchmark numbers when they don't seem to have a whole lot of bearing on actual performance. This seems completely reasonable to me. Now, if somehow the pixel 10 does score really highly in benchmarks I'm sure there will be people who will brag about that, but it's still not something that's going to interest me. I care how the phone actually performs in my hand, not how good it is at a benchmark.
For me 9 pro blew me away that it could compete with the other flagships while next gen is Google first iteration with TSMC so you can take it with a grain of salt and if it scores higher than snapdragon then it's gotta be cause it's TSMC but if it's not (which I think it's gonna be cause like I said earlier first iteration), wait for the pixel 11
My main concern is cellular connectivity, my pixel 8 pro randomly loses all signal and inhave to cycle airplane mode. That doesnt happen with my iphone or s24U. Its crazy to be selling phone at damn near $2000 with inferior chipsets.
Main thing holding me back from ordering the 9 Fold - I'm waiting for some real world tests to see if the new modem is up to snuff
So much money and slower and pathetic processor
Benchmarks are stupid, no normal person buying a phone cares...
Lol such a crappy SoC