I really wish there was a way to connect Villainsland and Fantasyland through some kind of enchanted forest that had some of the Villains Grove effects at night. If they could expand the Beauty and the Beast area with the ride from Tokyo (which would also give them an excuse to get rid of that dinky castle) then start the forest transition, it would give a way to be able to make a big loop connecting the back of the park, plus having those two lands connected kind of makes sense.
If they don't connect Fantasyland and Villains Land from around back of its' a small world show building (in addition to connect from Frontierland) they would be replicating the "dead end" problems they already have at Magic Kingdom. I doubt they'll make that mistake -- so I think it will connect. Galaxy's Edge at Disneyland is a model of this access-from-both-sides approach.
I am hoping for a creative tunnel into the land through a gap between pinnochio haus and potential future back stage dark ride building he shows, plus a walkway around the backside of haunted mansion, plus walkway between Big thunder and future cars (though that might be the hardest to transition). Maybe (pure speculation) haunted mansion gets a better queue additional area on its back side. Maybe the train can go through a tunnel too, brambly tunnel.
What would be really awesome is if Disney could completely enclose villain’s land! They could control the entire environment from lighting fog etc and give it that spooky vibe.
OMG YESSS, with lightning and other spooky weather - im thinking a little timed moment with thunder and the villians laugh, similar to what rainforest cafe used to do
Enclosed from above I think is what they mean. I don’t think they would though because it limits their ability to have large scale focal points like the rollercoaster and castle
Always thought they should do this in Animal Kingdom with a water animals. They have that Finding Nemo/Dory theater, they could have an indoor lane where animals from Nemo, Little Mermaid, and Moana could be. They have an entirely indoor Atlantica at Tokyo DisneySea. It would be a great refuge from the random FL showers.
we need a giant maleficant dragon animatronic that we come face to face with on the coaster! watching an optical illusion where we watch her human self as an animatronic turn into the dragon animatronic would be AMAZING
I think it be really cool if during the boat ride, you would see this huge Ursula animatronic come out of the water and she tries to like push your boat out of the way or something and she says a few lines
@@milesperhour4998 - You are correct about the old “Jaws” ride. However, I think the OP was thinking of something more akin to the “Frozen Ever After” ride, when Elsa pushes the boats out of her ice palace.
I would also consider moving that Snake Jafar toy stand from Disney's Hollywood Studios right into that new land and statues of Kaa talking with Shere Khan as Mowgli sleeps wrapped in his tail, Scar opposing Sarabi and Ursula about to fire a deadly bolt at Ariel from a sacred trident.
It’s funny how this concept has been around for years and the only reason they are now building it now is because of epic universe’s dark universe area
i know!! i love love love the concept and i love both parks but this is kinda unlike disney copying universal, it just feels off with the timing given the idea has been floating for years like you said
@ there is a channel called yesterworld and he has a video about how the villains land was suppose to replace 20000 leagues under the sea back in the 90s
What could suit Villains' Land would be the seven Disneytoon Studios villains; Buster from Lady and the Tramp II: Scamp's Adventure, Zira from The Lion King II: Simba's Pride, Morgana from The Little Mermaid II: Return to the Sea, Sarousch from The Hunchback of Notre Dame II, Maestro Forte from Beauty and the Beast: The Enchanted Christmas, Sa'Luk from Aladdin and the King of Thieves and Marina Del Ray from The Little Mermaid: Ariel's Beginning.
I think Villains Land will extend further behind Haunted Mansion so there could be an access path into Fantasyland. A Fantasyland/Villains Land link would be almost mandatory.
The veil between worlds is thinned where all the villains were banished to when they were defeated. This is why we can cross over to the other side. Villains Unleashed, as it were.
And having this land lie beyond the Haunted Mansion makes perfect sense… The Mansion sits right at the edge of this boundary, allowing the ghosts to manifest and spend their afterlives there. But beyond that old mansion lies something darker. A place where monsters roam free and happily ever after is out of reach.
When Descendants: The Rise of Red released, it showed Red, daughter of the Queen of Hearts and Chloe, daughter of Cinderella. They stopped a coup, unleashed by the Queen of Hearts to overthrow Auradon. They somehow, time-traveled, to undo the fraught compositry and saved the prep school.
Great analysis, Jack! I rode Pirates in Shanghai and really think that would be a perfect ride system for a Villain's E-Ticket: The natural trepidation of being isolated in a boat in the water is already terrifying to some, plus the precision LIM control of the boats creates opportunity for clear story moments. Combined with both the physical set pieces, animatronics and the giant projection domes, it seems a great opportunity for a BIG visual experience. I also think the complementary D-Ticket attraction will be a coaster, if for no other reason than hearing people screaming adds to the "evil vibe" of the place.
animatronic tentacles should randomly splash out of the middle of the lake, it would be an obvious reference to Ursula but also the giant squid from 20, 000 Leagues (who was an unintentional villain...he was just hungry) and of course the beloved defunct submarine rides.
One thing few people have noticed is that the proposed laydown yards are far bigger than really needed for a project of this scale. As an Architect who has worked on several projects larger than this, a laydown yard also stabilizes unbuildable land to be stable enough to build on. I have to think that temporary fencing will be erected on both sides of the railroad track in that area during construction. They could easily build a show building and/or roller-coaster tracks that spans over the tracks like the Tron Coaster or Guardians Cosmic Rewind. This could make the expansion of this land beyond the tracks quite easy including many other back of house service access points from Floridian Way. I agree that most public areas will be inside the railroad tracks but show buildings could easily expand over the tracks to the outside of the area you have show. You likely would not have to close the train for most of the construction of the new land.
I agree it's likely show buildings will be outside the railroad tracks as at Disneyland (Pirates, Indy, Haunted Mansion, Splash/Tiana). Running the railroad behind the show buildings is "bad show" or would require a very long tunnel which is either dark and boring (not scenic) or expensive to theme. Or, I can imagine they will reroute the railroad and bring it inward like the did for Galaxy's Edge at Disneyland, creating ore usable land outside the tracks for the Villains Land.
If I don’t finally get my Yzma’s Secret Lab coaster I will be so disappointed in Disney! “Pull the lever, Kronk.” … “WRONG LEVERRRRRRRRR!” She’s the only villain from day 1 to have an actual coaster in her film! It’d be awesome if that’s the coaster you see under the water! OMG that would be amazing! But I’m mostly interested in just being able to see the characters. Like give me Yzma, the Queen of Hearts, Dr. Facilier, THE HORNED KING, and then ofc classics. But I wanna see The Horned King get some recognition for once.
I'm sorry, I'd almost bet my very life that Villians land will NOT be ready in 5 years. I have no faith that Disney's finance department would ever greenlight that much money in such a short time. They always LOVE to spread out construction costs over many, MANY finance quarterly reports. Doing all of this at a highly accelerated speed will result in reporting too much cost in too short of a period of time. This si very bad for profit/loss numbers. To be completely honest? I'm not even fully convinced that this will even get built "like this" at all. We can't even expect that these same people in Burbank driving this today will even be there at all in 5-8 years. (or even two years)
First of all there is a change of leadership at Imagineering. Vaughn is the class of imagineering that built Pandora, Cars Land etc. they have big plans and they want to see them to reality. The 5 year build time to spread the costs is more than enough. TRON took longer because Chapek forced a pause on construction expenditure throughout the pandemic. Spending instead billions on Disney+ content. I fully expect, Tropical Americas for 2027, Cars in Frontierland in 2028, and Villains Land and Monsters Inc by 2029. The longest build time there is 4 years. Remember Toy Story Land took 2 years and Galaxy’s Edge took 3 & 1/2 years from start to finish (2016 land clearing to 2019 opening). I understand the scepticism but Disney knows they need to do something to invest. Betting against them investing would be bad business.
I think for the sake of keeping things spooky and gloomy year-round, it would be great if a majority of the land were covered/underground in the style of the Mermaid Lagoon at Tokyo Disney Sea. Also personally, would like to see an enhanced (and Witch heavy) up to date version of Snow White's Scary Adventures in this land, along side the villains boat ride you mentioned Jack I think that would be great!
It would be cool if villains land got its own train stop or backstage bus stop as a way to allow it a way to be open late after the rest of the park closes. Guests from all of the closed parks not ready to call it a night could roll in and have a late night Villains experience.
Questions of Ursula: What does Ursula keep Ariel's voice in? Red Chest Conch Shell Lamp Who works for Ursula? Flotsam and Getsam Sebastian and Flounder Timon and Pumbaa What does Ursula turn Triton into? Camel Sea Worm Sea Horse
I also made a banner for all the Pixar villains. What if it starred in Villains' Land? It can even work for a banner for all the Disney Villains, both the ones of the Walt Disney Animation Studios films and the ones of the Disneytoon Studios films.
Questions of the Big Bad Wolf: What is the first house made of that the Big Bad Wolf blows down? Sticks Brick Straw When trying to blow the house of bricks down, the Big Bad Wolf turns into which color? Purple Green Polka Dot Pink What falls on the Big Bad Wolf's head when he slams into a tree? Apples Grapefruit Jewels
Questions of Shenzi, Banzai and Ed: Who does Scar ask the hyenas to kill? Rafiki Simba Scuttle Where do the hyenas attack Simba, Nala and Zazu? Elephants' Graveyard Pride Rock London, England Whom do Shenzi, Banzai and Ed work for? Mufasa Timon Scar
Questions of Jafar: What does Jafar want from the Cave of Wonders? The Lamp Pain and Panic Jeweled Flower Which of these belongs to Jafar? Serpent Scepter The Mystic Blue Diamond Piano-Playing Pig Which of these characters did Jafar not disguise himself as? Swarm of Ants Old Woman Fisherman
Rourke, Captain Gantu, Alameda Slim, Yzma and Dr. Facilier will reappear in The House of Mouse Recaption along with Buster, Zira, Morgana, Maestro Forte, Sarousch, Sa'Luk and Marina Del Ray.
I know they won’t do this… but I’d actually love for this to be an indoor land. The idea that there could be a perpetual nighttime setting for this makes sense. Like the Kung Fu Panda land in Universal Beijing!
It's apples and oranges. The universal monsters have absolutely nothing tonally equal to disney villains. put them together head to head, it's vastly different. Frankenstein and Gaston are not the same. The invisible man and ursula are not the same. the werewolf and maleficent are not the same. this argument feels so weak. the theming between the two parks are worlds apart....not sure why so many people are acting like they are the same.
It would be smart for them to build the haunted mansion restaurant during this construction and place it next to Mansion before you get to villains land. I also think they are going to re work the existing que maybe push it more north
As said I believe having cruella in some fashion would be great and even I can see a store selling all manner of dalmatian merchandise. For me I would still go with the classic cartoon version .
Questions of Cruella De Vil: There are 6,469,952 what in 101 Dalmatians? Cruella Hairdos Wildebeest Spots What does Cruella want to make coats out of? Monkeys Puppies Cats Which of these characters is one of Cruella's bumbling henchmen? Roger Horace Cook
Questions of Captain Hook: Who tells Captain Hook where to find Peter Pan? Tinker Bell Smee Iago What did Captain Hook feed the crocodile? Clock Tinker Bell Zazu Which of these sea creatures would like to eat Captain Hook for a snack? Hades Crocodile Ursula
Disney should've done an entire park & not just a land, especially one w/just two attractions. There should be at least 3. 1 roller coaster. 1 ominimover trackless dark ride & 1 boat ride. Wish the rollercoaster was themed around Bald Mountain & not so much Maleficent (even if her castle is in the background). The boat ride could be themed around the River Styx.
Always loved the character design for Ishi Tib myself (one of my favorite obscure denizens along w/Yuzzum - which you need to do some time). Have the Rebel version of the character from the Power of the Jedi line & wish some day we'll get a Vintage Collection version of both Ishi Tibs from Return of the Jedi'
The best thing for crowd capacity is to get people OUT of the existing parks and into a fifth. Instead of making people spend two or more days in one park AND increasing interest by even more to visit that same park, you put all the new stop into a fifth. Can you imagine how much better and manageable WDW would be if all of this, all that new AK stuff, Galaxy’s Edge, Toy Story Land, and Pandora were in a fifth park. People would spend their second day at MK there instead. But no. They want to cram everyone into just four so they don’t have to hire more staff.
My villain characters are going to be twice as infamous as the Disney Villains and also for the new Villains' Land, all the Pixar villains like Ercole Visconti, Stinky Pete, Lotso, Ernesto de la Cruz, AUTO, Charles F. Muntz and Syndrome.
Questions of Hades: What does Hades use to turn Hercules mortal? Magic Potion Lightning Bolt Apple Who does Hades want to overthrow? Scar Zeus Ursula Who does Hades free? Iago Phil Titans
This really helped with understanding how Villains might work. I do wonder if they could build a new enclosed section of the RailRoad themed to Villains, allowing for a part of the show buildings to go beyond the tracks or even just hide the train.
It would be nice if they can have the Steampunk Maleficent Dragon Float roam the land, since the proposed location of the land is close to the parade storage warehouses.
Wow, a well thought out, logical video about why Disney is paving over the ROA and not using "all that land they own" and how they need to open a 5th park? How refreshing. So shines a good deed in a weary (Disney) world.
Questions of the Evil Queen: Who does the mirror say is the fairest of them all? Little Mermaid Hades Snow White What does the Evil Queen use to put a spell on Snow White? Mirror Apple Lamp Who does the Evil Queen hire to do a way with Snow White? Big Bad Wolf Hunter Dopey
My villain characters are in four categories, human being, vehicle, legendary organism and creature. They will all be more frivolent and infamous than all the Disney and Pixar villains, same for the Star Wars, Marvel, DC, Warner Bros., Nickelodeon, Sony, Columbia, Universal, Illumination, video game and anime villains.
The Headless Horseman, Norm's Old Head (with a body) and Screenslaver will reappear in Time Shift and there's Jafar's stepcousin, Samuel Ozerthu Daniella.
Hearing you saying “twisted” and mentioning Diablo keeps reminding me of Twisted Wonderland. It’s a Japanese video game/manga that’s sorta Disney Villians meets Decendants meets Harry Potter. Basically students live in dormitories inspired by Disney Villians. I think Diablo is a character because I was shocked that my daughter, who recently got into it, knew who he was. She’s not into Disney at all, but is into this.
It is likely the upcoming villians show/Pavillion in Hollywood Studios is meant for training up a caste of experienced villian characters for the future villains land projects.
I cannot wait for this Villians Land. It would be awesome if they had a grand scale show like Fantasmic back there that incorporates the villians castles much like the countries in Epcot go along with the night time show.
With Disney acquisitions, including 21st Century Fox, this should be a separate theme park, not just a land. So many fan favorite movies like Hocus Pocus, Rocky Horror, could you imagine?
An old contract with Universal does not allow Disney World to do/have anything Marvel (except for The Guardians of The Galaxy for some reason...?) in any of their parks in Florida.
@@Lordvader0727 so much water surrounds WDW Florida already, so losing Rivers of America isn't that bad. Disneyland on the other hand, that would be a big loss.
Great work! Would love to see 2 coasters eventually. One for families and one very thrilling. Also a thrilling flat ride would be great. This land will be super packed and needs more to do.
Thanks for the details Jack! I am very excited to finally see a villain's land. I would be thrilled to see aHaunted Mansion restaurant, but I can't see it in Villain's Land. I do hope they can find a spot for one in an appropriate spot.
Wow! That's a long time to build a land. Also, for the Walt Disney World Railroad, the audio will be updated before the arrival of the Fantasyland station, just like the updated of the audio of Disneyland Railroad for the passing of the attraction from Splash Mountain to Tiana's Bayou Adventure, before the arrival of Mickey's ToonTown station.
I'm quite excited for villains land. A wild idea would be if disney had RMC built them a maleficent themed coaster with their eye box track and supports looking like bramble.
I did hear some rumors that the Maleficent coaster with thorns depicted in the art has been green-lit for the Villain’a land. That’s the most detectable of art in the concept art.
I want the villains land e-ticket to basically be Fantasmic but in dark ride form. Would also really love it to be a hybrid dark ride-family friendly coaster
Great video as always, I had even considered that we are getting four new attractions in place of Tom Sawyers and the Liberty Belle, I can’t imagine a better trade. I was thinking the same thing that a dark ride with all the villains would be epic, fingers crossed for that!
Honestly, MK needs a teens/adult area. If parent's don't want to take their kids back there, don't. It's getting put in the very back of the park for a reason. The whole of the park is geared towards families. The problem I think Disney is seeing (as am I) is that the teenage demographic, for the most part, goes to Hollywood Studios for the big thrills like Tower of Terror, Rock N Rollercoaster, and Rise of the Resistance and then leaves property and heads for Universal. Parent's of littles are going to need to get over themselves on this one. Also, I don't think it's going to be spooky scary. Look at the Evil Queen at Disneyland. She's not "evil" or "scary", she's incredibly funny. And I think that's the angle Disney is going to go for. I don't think there is going to be much, if any, alienation of families on this. Universal's pretty much said that Dark Universe is going to be Halloween Horror Nights 365 days a year. I think Disney is going to go for a Mickey's Not So Scary feel. Time will tell.
I think the land will be roughly the same size as galaxies edge about 14 acres. I think the dark ride will be to the north east with the entrance coming in past the retaining pound in that square section of trees. It’s 2.5 acres exactly the right size for a large show building like smugglers run or rise. I also think there will be some sort of third ride added. They’ve disclosed 2 Eticket attractions. But we all know u have to have other attractions. So either a C ticket ride or a show. I think a bar / lounge will go directly behind haunted mansion and a restaurant will go on the left side of the retaining pond. All the back of house access is there.
Great video! Looking at the landscape, I can't see how Villian's Land is going to be a "grand scale" experience with what you outlined. If they used most of Rivers of America for the Cars area and built Villan's Land with all the available space past the railroad, now we're talking!
@@scottcusson8655 - How large do you think theme parks lands are? Cars Land (at Disney California Adventure) is 12 acres, Pandora (at Animal Kingdom”) is 10, Galaxy’s Edge (at North Hollywood Studios and Disneyland) is 12. While Super Nintendo World (at Universal) is 7 acres, and Dark Universe (at Epic Universe) is 9. Meaning, there is more than enough land within the tracks to build the Villains Land. Leave the area outside the berm for a later expansion. Magic Kingdom’s Cars Land is a mini-land, not a clone of the one in California. Radiator Springs Racers is not being replicated, which is why a show building is not needed.
@@ChienaAvtzon It really depends on land utilization. I'll just focus on two parks here. Toy Story Land and Galaxy's Edge. Toy Story land is about 11 acres and feels small because Slinky Dog Dash is encompassed within the land. Where as both of Galaxy's Edge's rides are outside the perimeter which allows for an expansive experience. If Disney builds both of the rumored eticket rides beyond the railroad tracks, it could work. We'll just have to wait and see until they release more concrete plans.
@@scottcusson8655 - Disney is not building outside the track. Even Galaxy’s Edge has the show buildings within the 12 acres. It is just one is a dark ride and the other is a motion simulator, both of which have a smaller footprint than an exposed roller coaster. I suspect the Villains Land will take layout queues from Hong Kong’s Arendelle, which has a dark ride and themed coaster within the mountains. That Arendelle is not as large as everyone assumes, but is actually the most immersive and detailed in the world. It is actually superior to its Fantasy Springs counterpart in Tokyo. The Arendelle in Fantasy Springs has tons of dead space and looks barren.
There should be a villain's' hotel like at Fantasy Springs. Imagine staying overnight in the Magic Kingdom. Those gravel pads could be the parking lots.
From the looks of it, the roller coaster and the dark ride might be the only attractions for Villains at Magic Kingdom and more likely be occupied with 10 shops/restaurants. Wish Disney would include more smaller flat rides with this expansion, Just look at Tokyo DisneySea, the Fantasy Springs expansion has 4 attractions with no shops.
@@samuelwitwicky3900 - The lack of shops is actually a huge flaw with Fantasy Springs. Especially, within the “Frozen” section. That area is just an over-themed restroom.
Fun Fact : Among existing Disney villains, there are some neutrals( but ultimate mutuals or anti-heroes & anti-heroines(Villains-Turned-Hero(in)es)), based on Disney drama film remade from the Disney's original (2D) cartoon. Here are examples, • *** Maleficent _ Sleeping Beauty "Maleficent (1~2. Planned 3~)" • Cruella De Vil _ 101 Dalmations "Cruella" _ 2021 • Captain Hook _ (Peter) Pan or Peter&Wendy ??? • Grimhilde (Wicked Queen) _ Snow White _ 2025 March (planned) • etc.
Villains Land is going to be amazing if they do it justice and spend the money on it. A Maleficent coaster seems nailed on. A Hades boat ride too. Would love a Madam Mim meet and greet. Also Yzma deserves a shop or restaurant. Cruella car chase in the style of the Mario Kart ride seems a good option too!
Your spot on Jack with your analysis, clever thinking regards to the rollercoaster, I hope its themed around forbidden mountain and not just a stand alone rollercoaster with no themeing (unlikely) i also hope that Malificents castle could be the size of say beauty and the beast castle in Tokyo where you walk through into the dark ride, it deserves more than just a little castle such as the Beasts castle at MK where you have to rely on perspective
I filled out a survey yesterday for my recent WDW visit and they asked a lot of questions about the WDW Railroad. Makes me wonder what they are considering for it.
I hope you gave positive answers! Shortly before Covid I got a survey full of Muppetvision 3D questions and gave it a glowing review. Man, if the suits even think of touching trains, the thing Walt loved the most outside entertainment, then what are we even doing anymore?
@@DrStarlander I was asked about attractions that I rode and how I would rate them. There was an option to rate an attraction as 'Iconic', which I applied to WDWRR. It then asked why I tagged it as such. I did not ask for further comment on any other attraction that I listed as 'Iconic'.
There are some many great Disney Villain's that I don't think the "land" should be centered on just one. If they wanted to build this land to "test the waters" then center it on Malificent and then connect it to Fantasyland through an Enchanted Forest themed walkthrough path. Sort of how Epic Universe will use "portals" to enter the different lands. Have happy elements when you enter from Fantasyland like nice green trees, animatronic birds, deer, rabits, etc. And as you progress towards Villains Land, it gets darker in tone. The colors of the trees get darker, bark pealing off, no leafs. Maybe have crows and ravens in the trees and glowing red eyes for at night time. What they really should do is build an entire park themed to the Disney Villains. The park could be more suitable for ages 13+. Different villain's could have their own land then. As an example, a Hades Land with the underworld, Scar land as the elephant graveyard, Jafar land, Cruella DeVille, Captain Hook, etc. There is so much you could do that way. Thrill rides, roller coasters, track less ridesz etc. That way the Disney Villains that helped to make all these Disney Animated Movies great, that without them it wouldn't have been the same could finally be fully represented and shown the same love and appreciation by Disney as all the other IP.
I hope. I hope there’s at least a small area or establishment that’s for adults only. Perhaps a year-round horror area with similar atmosphere as the original Snow White ride and the Black Cauldron walkthrough attraction from Tokyo Disney.
@@DSNYNewscastif they go with it, they could make it where it's ran by her, Ursula, and the Evil Queen! My dream is that it's an icee shop with weird flavors 😂
I wish VILLIANS LAND would be tied in to Hollywood Studio. With a layout similar to the layout of Epcot. It would be great to walk through Snow White, Sleeping Beauty, and other movies.
I think Disney is underestimating how popular this land will be. It’s going to be packed. I think it needs to double in size eventually. No doubt this land will be the centerpiece for Halloween especially with its proximity to Haunted Mansion and the Cars area.
Great video, as always, Jack. I am personally sick and tired of hearing reports of Disney not doing things because of cost in 2024 and beyond. Costs of a Disney vacation have out paced inflation, everything is nickel and dimed, amenities are cut, all while the parks and experiences are raking in the money. Disney charges for a premium experience; start delivering it again.
Totally random but can we all agree to renevoate Maurice’s cottage and make it a beauty and the beast dark ride. There’s room back there for a show building where a reservoir is now😁
I have a radical thought about what could go into Villains Land: Fantasmic! When I saw the original concept art, I thought that the back part looked like a theater. I know that art was nebulous beyond belief, but the building silhouettes just reminded me of the shape of an arena. And then I see Maleficent in this art. Would they actually do this? Why not? A stadium like the one in the Studios is far cheaper than a dark ride E-Ticket, so it would be a way to open a new land with more than one attraction. (The dark ride could be "Phase II", Disney's favorite phrase.) It would also be the easiest way to get a bunch of villains into the land without some cockamamie backstory. "Okay, so Hades runs this Villain Boot Camp and after each villain got defeated, they signed up and now they've all built little "homes away from home" and they live here, plotting their next moves..." Barf. They couldn't port the entire show - princesses on rafts wouldn't work in a Villains land - but take out the lovey-dovey stuff and toss in more villains and they'd have a "killer" show. This would also allow them to put a new show into the Studios, which didn't exactly win the D23 "Five-Year Sweepstakes". You know they are DYING to put World of Color somewhere else! (Here and Paris: 2 for 1!) Which also made me realize that the Paris location is a round pond, just like Orlando's. Meanwhile, a Villains Land version could be presented on the Rivers of America, just like it is at Disneyland. ANOTHER way to keep from actually redoing the Rivers entirely (see my other post). Okay, when I first thought of this, I thought, "Yeah, right." But this is Disney. Nighttime shows and parades and fireworks are WAY more important to them than building actual rides, especially when those shows can recycle things from previous shows. Especially when those shows can be put into more than one park. Especially when those shows can be used to make people think they're spending way more money than they actually are. Especially when those shows can be put on water, keeping costs way, WAY down. I still don't necessarily think they will do this, but I'm putting it out there just in case they do. Also, I'm really starting to like this idea... (which means they REALLY won't do it!)
I wonder, since its a big new area, will they create an extension to the tunnels (utilidors). If they do, would we see the first ever expansion? Seems like a tight space if they wanted to utilize all that land for the restaurants, rides, etc. where else would they put back stage and the utilities? I hope for the cast members that its not just a crappy break room behind a building. Well I hope they do. Would be really cool to see them build it.
Okay so I've been against getting rid of the river boat an tom sawyers Island, but the way you've explained it really made sense to me. Using the mountains and nature to hide villians land.... I coming around to the idea. as for things id like to see in villains land...id want to see more then two rides...I would like to see classic dark rides as well as the two main rides they are planning on doing. They could be cruella's wild ride ...calling back to mr.toads and, they could rebuild snow whites scary adventure but name it the Queens evil scheme.
Reimagine Discovery Island as a new Tom Sawyer Island. The price tag would be minimal and it's a great repurpose of an existing asset that is an eyesore.
@markdignazio8524 right ! That is what I had wish they do instead!! Something similar to Disneyland like how they did with Galaxy s edge....but now it seems like with the way they have it now their could be a big expansion to villains..villains deserves more then two rides ... hopefully in time they'd do dark rides like snow white an mr.toads...one could be cruella's wild ride an rebuild snow whites scary adventure but name it the Queens evil scheme....wdw only has peter pan in the magic kingdom. It would be nice to have classic fantasy land style rides.
Maybe it's a coaster that has maleficent than it transfers into Ursula grotto. It travels through multiple villains settings. Like the flights of america . Going fro. New york to san francisco. But, just on a coaster .
The step sisters running a boutique would be hilarious
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I really wish there was a way to connect Villainsland and Fantasyland through some kind of enchanted forest that had some of the Villains Grove effects at night. If they could expand the Beauty and the Beast area with the ride from Tokyo (which would also give them an excuse to get rid of that dinky castle) then start the forest transition, it would give a way to be able to make a big loop connecting the back of the park, plus having those two lands connected kind of makes sense.
If they don't connect Fantasyland and Villains Land from around back of its' a small world show building (in addition to connect from Frontierland) they would be replicating the "dead end" problems they already have at Magic Kingdom. I doubt they'll make that mistake -- so I think it will connect. Galaxy's Edge at Disneyland is a model of this access-from-both-sides approach.
@@DrStarlander it is to connect at the Haunted Mansion to complete the loop around what will be Cars now.
there’s also room to the right of pinocchios village haus
I am hoping for a creative tunnel into the land through a gap between pinnochio haus and potential future back stage dark ride building he shows, plus a walkway around the backside of haunted mansion, plus walkway between Big thunder and future cars (though that might be the hardest to transition). Maybe (pure speculation) haunted mansion gets a better queue additional area on its back side. Maybe the train can go through a tunnel too, brambly tunnel.
@@mymasmith7848 I believe that would take you directly into a bunch of show buildings, it would be better to go around.
What would be really awesome is if Disney could completely enclose villain’s land! They could control the entire environment from lighting fog etc and give it that spooky vibe.
That's a given. The entrances are on the lower right from the Haunted Mansion and lower left from the BTM/Carsland area
OMG YESSS, with lightning and other spooky weather - im thinking a little timed moment with thunder and the villians laugh, similar to what rainforest cafe used to do
Enclosed from above I think is what they mean. I don’t think they would though because it limits their ability to have large scale focal points like the rollercoaster and castle
Always thought they should do this in Animal Kingdom with a water animals. They have that Finding Nemo/Dory theater, they could have an indoor lane where animals from Nemo, Little Mermaid, and Moana could be. They have an entirely indoor Atlantica at Tokyo DisneySea. It would be a great refuge from the random FL showers.
We need to do villain meet and greets too there! We need to meet Ernesto de la Cruz!!!
And then a giant bell could fall on him...😂😅
we need a giant maleficant dragon animatronic that we come face to face with on the coaster! watching an optical illusion where we watch her human self as an animatronic turn into the dragon animatronic would be AMAZING
people won’t stop talking about it. it would be disney doing what disney does best
No, what you need is mental counseling if you actually think this will be built
@@BobBaker-v9v genius is often accompanied by madness
Gimme that Haunted Mansion themed restaurant, please!
and bar please!
and bar please!
@@Emily-lb7rf sip spirits with the spirits
@@guyvanarsdall7686 they should get u on the writing team!
I'm thinking 🤔 a new resort themed like the IP haunted mansion.
I think it be really cool if during the boat ride, you would see this huge Ursula animatronic come out of the water and she tries to like push your boat out of the way or something and she says a few lines
Underwater animatronics are finicky and troublesome. Look at Jaws (movie and ride) and the Jurassic Park/World river Adventure rides.
@@milesperhour4998 - You are correct about the old “Jaws” ride. However, I think the OP was thinking of something more akin to the “Frozen Ever After” ride, when Elsa pushes the boats out of her ice palace.
I would also consider moving that Snake Jafar toy stand from Disney's Hollywood Studios right into that new land and statues of Kaa talking with Shere Khan as Mowgli sleeps wrapped in his tail, Scar opposing Sarabi and Ursula about to fire a deadly bolt at Ariel from a sacred trident.
Heinz Doofenshmirtz from Disney's Phineas and Ferb, he's the funniest villain the universe has ever known.
A Cruella trackless dark ride with Hell Hall as the facade and it's a chase through a snowy London.
Nah! It’s not! It’s either Hades or Maleficent.
STOP SMOKING CRACK
Most villains kill anybody. Some just laugh at the most dreadful things. Some stage a trick or trap and some change from bad to good.
It’s funny how this concept has been around for years and the only reason they are now building it now is because of epic universe’s dark universe area
i know!! i love love love the concept and i love both parks but this is kinda unlike disney copying universal, it just feels off with the timing given the idea has been floating for years like you said
@ there is a channel called yesterworld and he has a video about how the villains land was suppose to replace 20000 leagues under the sea back in the 90s
What could suit Villains' Land would be the seven Disneytoon Studios villains; Buster from Lady and the Tramp II: Scamp's Adventure, Zira from The Lion King II: Simba's Pride, Morgana from The Little Mermaid II: Return to the Sea, Sarousch from The Hunchback of Notre Dame II, Maestro Forte from Beauty and the Beast: The Enchanted Christmas, Sa'Luk from Aladdin and the King of Thieves and Marina Del Ray from The Little Mermaid: Ariel's Beginning.
I think Villains Land will extend further behind Haunted Mansion so there could be an access path into Fantasyland. A Fantasyland/Villains Land link would be almost mandatory.
The veil between worlds is thinned where all the villains were banished to when they were defeated. This is why we can cross over to the other side. Villains Unleashed, as it were.
And having this land lie beyond the Haunted Mansion makes perfect sense…
The Mansion sits right at the edge of this boundary, allowing the ghosts to manifest and spend their afterlives there.
But beyond that old mansion lies something darker. A place where monsters roam free and happily ever after is out of reach.
When Descendants: The Rise of Red released, it showed Red, daughter of the Queen of Hearts and Chloe, daughter of Cinderella. They stopped a coup, unleashed by the Queen of Hearts to overthrow Auradon. They somehow, time-traveled, to undo the fraught compositry and saved the prep school.
Great analysis, Jack! I rode Pirates in Shanghai and really think that would be a perfect ride system for a Villain's E-Ticket: The natural trepidation of being isolated in a boat in the water is already terrifying to some, plus the precision LIM control of the boats creates opportunity for clear story moments. Combined with both the physical set pieces, animatronics and the giant projection domes, it seems a great opportunity for a BIG visual experience. I also think the complementary D-Ticket attraction will be a coaster, if for no other reason than hearing people screaming adds to the "evil vibe" of the place.
animatronic tentacles should randomly splash out of the middle of the lake, it would be an obvious reference to Ursula but also the giant squid from 20, 000 Leagues (who was an unintentional villain...he was just hungry) and of course the beloved defunct submarine rides.
One thing few people have noticed is that the proposed laydown yards are far bigger than really needed for a project of this scale. As an Architect who has worked on several projects larger than this, a laydown yard also stabilizes unbuildable land to be stable enough to build on. I have to think that temporary fencing will be erected on both sides of the railroad track in that area during construction. They could easily build a show building and/or roller-coaster tracks that spans over the tracks like the Tron Coaster or Guardians Cosmic Rewind. This could make the expansion of this land beyond the tracks quite easy including many other back of house service access points from Floridian Way. I agree that most public areas will be inside the railroad tracks but show buildings could easily expand over the tracks to the outside of the area you have show. You likely would not have to close the train for most of the construction of the new land.
I agree it's likely show buildings will be outside the railroad tracks as at Disneyland (Pirates, Indy, Haunted Mansion, Splash/Tiana). Running the railroad behind the show buildings is "bad show" or would require a very long tunnel which is either dark and boring (not scenic) or expensive to theme.
Or, I can imagine they will reroute the railroad and bring it inward like the did for Galaxy's Edge at Disneyland, creating ore usable land outside the tracks for the Villains Land.
Lol . Foolish! This is all BS by Disney.. It's NEVER going to be built
If I don’t finally get my Yzma’s Secret Lab coaster I will be so disappointed in Disney! “Pull the lever, Kronk.” … “WRONG LEVERRRRRRRRR!” She’s the only villain from day 1 to have an actual coaster in her film! It’d be awesome if that’s the coaster you see under the water! OMG that would be amazing!
But I’m mostly interested in just being able to see the characters. Like give me Yzma, the Queen of Hearts, Dr. Facilier, THE HORNED KING, and then ofc classics. But I wanna see The Horned King get some recognition for once.
I'm sorry, I'd almost bet my very life that Villians land will NOT be ready in 5 years. I have no faith that Disney's finance department would ever greenlight that much money in such a short time. They always LOVE to spread out construction costs over many, MANY finance quarterly reports. Doing all of this at a highly accelerated speed will result in reporting too much cost in too short of a period of time. This si very bad for profit/loss numbers. To be completely honest? I'm not even fully convinced that this will even get built "like this" at all. We can't even expect that these same people in Burbank driving this today will even be there at all in 5-8 years. (or even two years)
First of all there is a change of leadership at Imagineering. Vaughn is the class of imagineering that built Pandora, Cars Land etc. they have big plans and they want to see them to reality.
The 5 year build time to spread the costs is more than enough. TRON took longer because Chapek forced a pause on construction expenditure throughout the pandemic. Spending instead billions on Disney+ content.
I fully expect, Tropical Americas for 2027, Cars in Frontierland in 2028, and Villains Land and Monsters Inc by 2029. The longest build time there is 4 years. Remember Toy Story Land took 2 years and Galaxy’s Edge took 3 & 1/2 years from start to finish (2016 land clearing to 2019 opening).
I understand the scepticism but Disney knows they need to do something to invest. Betting against them investing would be bad business.
I think for the sake of keeping things spooky and gloomy year-round, it would be great if a majority of the land were covered/underground in the style of the Mermaid Lagoon at Tokyo Disney Sea. Also personally, would like to see an enhanced (and Witch heavy) up to date version of Snow White's Scary Adventures in this land, along side the villains boat ride you mentioned Jack I think that would be great!
It would be cool if villains land got its own train stop or backstage bus stop as a way to allow it a way to be open late after the rest of the park closes. Guests from all of the closed parks not ready to call it a night could roll in and have a late night Villains experience.
Questions of Ursula:
What does Ursula keep Ariel's voice in?
Red Chest Conch Shell Lamp
Who works for Ursula?
Flotsam and Getsam Sebastian and Flounder Timon and Pumbaa
What does Ursula turn Triton into?
Camel Sea Worm Sea Horse
I also made a banner for all the Pixar villains. What if it starred in Villains' Land? It can even work for a banner for all the Disney Villains, both the ones of the Walt Disney Animation Studios films and the ones of the Disneytoon Studios films.
It can even be easy for some biological family relatives to become villains like Ursula, Scar and Evelyn Deavor.
Questions of the Big Bad Wolf:
What is the first house made of that the Big Bad Wolf blows down?
Sticks Brick Straw
When trying to blow the house of bricks down, the Big Bad Wolf turns into which color?
Purple Green Polka Dot Pink
What falls on the Big Bad Wolf's head when he slams into a tree?
Apples Grapefruit Jewels
Questions of Shenzi, Banzai and Ed:
Who does Scar ask the hyenas to kill?
Rafiki Simba Scuttle
Where do the hyenas attack Simba, Nala and Zazu?
Elephants' Graveyard Pride Rock London, England
Whom do Shenzi, Banzai and Ed work for?
Mufasa Timon Scar
Questions of Jafar:
What does Jafar want from the Cave of Wonders?
The Lamp Pain and Panic Jeweled Flower
Which of these belongs to Jafar?
Serpent Scepter The Mystic Blue Diamond Piano-Playing Pig
Which of these characters did Jafar not disguise himself as?
Swarm of Ants Old Woman Fisherman
Rourke, Captain Gantu, Alameda Slim, Yzma and Dr. Facilier will reappear in The House of Mouse Recaption along with Buster, Zira, Morgana, Maestro Forte, Sarousch, Sa'Luk and Marina Del Ray.
I know they won’t do this… but I’d actually love for this to be an indoor land. The idea that there could be a perpetual nighttime setting for this makes sense. Like the Kung Fu Panda land in Universal Beijing!
I’m getting the feeling that the Disney villains expansion is supposed to be a direct competitor to Epic Universe’s Dark Universe
It's unlikely Disney would have bothered with a Villains Land if it wasn't for Universal building Dark Universe.
Competition is healthy for growth.
I'm so excited for both!! I love the Monsters and the Villains!! We all win!
ahh...just now?
It's apples and oranges. The universal monsters have absolutely nothing tonally equal to disney villains. put them together head to head, it's vastly different. Frankenstein and Gaston are not the same. The invisible man and ursula are not the same. the werewolf and maleficent are not the same. this argument feels so weak. the theming between the two parks are worlds apart....not sure why so many people are acting like they are the same.
still think they could’ve made the land its own park, because the amount of things they could do is insane.
It doesn't matter, because it's NEVER getting built
The river Styx boat ride would be so good
It would be smart for them to build the haunted mansion restaurant during this construction and place it next to Mansion before you get to villains land. I also think they are going to re work the existing que maybe push it more north
They are expansing the queue at HM at Disneyland now, hopefully they do the same (plus restaurant) at MK.
@@DrStarlander they already are and punishing the poor.
As said I believe having cruella in some fashion would be great and even I can see a store selling all manner of dalmatian merchandise. For me I would still go with the classic cartoon version .
Questions of Cruella De Vil:
There are 6,469,952 what in 101 Dalmatians?
Cruella Hairdos Wildebeest Spots
What does Cruella want to make coats out of?
Monkeys Puppies Cats
Which of these characters is one of Cruella's bumbling henchmen?
Roger Horace Cook
Questions of Captain Hook:
Who tells Captain Hook where to find Peter Pan?
Tinker Bell Smee Iago
What did Captain Hook feed the crocodile?
Clock Tinker Bell Zazu
Which of these sea creatures would like to eat Captain Hook for a snack?
Hades Crocodile Ursula
Disney should've done an entire park & not just a land, especially one w/just two attractions. There should be at least 3. 1 roller coaster. 1 ominimover trackless dark ride & 1 boat ride. Wish the rollercoaster was themed around Bald Mountain & not so much Maleficent (even if her castle is in the background). The boat ride could be themed around the River Styx.
I agree but the only problem is that families with young kids, WDW's bread and butter, would be reluctant to go..
@aaronsarchive82 - They go on Haunted Mansion & Pirates of the Caribbean, so what's the difference?
Always loved the character design for Ishi Tib myself (one of my favorite obscure denizens along w/Yuzzum - which you need to do some time). Have the Rebel version of the character from the Power of the Jedi line & wish some day we'll get a Vintage Collection version of both Ishi Tibs from Return of the Jedi'
@@Guernicaman Oh, I absolutely agree with you. But modern Disney execs don't. And they've been toning down those rides for similar reasons.
The best thing for crowd capacity is to get people OUT of the existing parks and into a fifth. Instead of making people spend two or more days in one park AND increasing interest by even more to visit that same park, you put all the new stop into a fifth. Can you imagine how much better and manageable WDW would be if all of this, all that new AK stuff, Galaxy’s Edge, Toy Story Land, and Pandora were in a fifth park. People would spend their second day at MK there instead. But no. They want to cram everyone into just four so they don’t have to hire more staff.
My villain characters are going to be twice as infamous as the Disney Villains and also for the new Villains' Land, all the Pixar villains like Ercole Visconti, Stinky Pete, Lotso, Ernesto de la Cruz, AUTO, Charles F. Muntz and Syndrome.
Questions of Hades:
What does Hades use to turn Hercules mortal?
Magic Potion Lightning Bolt Apple
Who does Hades want to overthrow?
Scar Zeus Ursula
Who does Hades free?
Iago Phil Titans
This really helped with understanding how Villains might work. I do wonder if they could build a new enclosed section of the RailRoad themed to Villains, allowing for a part of the show buildings to go beyond the tracks or even just hide the train.
what about the area behind fantasy land? having an entrance thru fantasyland would cool
It would be nice if they can have the Steampunk Maleficent Dragon Float roam the land, since the proposed location of the land is close to the parade storage warehouses.
Wow, a well thought out, logical video about why Disney is paving over the ROA and not using "all that land they own" and how they need to open a 5th park? How refreshing. So shines a good deed in a weary (Disney) world.
Don’t worry. Us commenters are here to point all those things out.
Maleficent and Hades might be a married couple and Kaa the Snake might be a mix of bad and good.
Questions of the Evil Queen:
Who does the mirror say is the fairest of them all?
Little Mermaid Hades Snow White
What does the Evil Queen use to put a spell on Snow White?
Mirror Apple Lamp
Who does the Evil Queen hire to do a way with Snow White?
Big Bad Wolf Hunter Dopey
Jack , you should work as a Disney world imagineror.
A slow-moving boat dark ride ?!! Yes please.
@@dannygrau2983 it’s obviously not because of how blurry it is.
My villain characters are in four categories, human being, vehicle, legendary organism and creature. They will all be more frivolent and infamous than all the Disney and Pixar villains, same for the Star Wars, Marvel, DC, Warner Bros., Nickelodeon, Sony, Columbia, Universal, Illumination, video game and anime villains.
The Headless Horseman, Norm's Old Head (with a body) and Screenslaver will reappear in Time Shift and there's Jafar's stepcousin, Samuel Ozerthu Daniella.
Hearing you saying “twisted” and mentioning Diablo keeps reminding me of Twisted Wonderland. It’s a Japanese video game/manga that’s sorta Disney Villians meets Decendants meets Harry Potter. Basically students live in dormitories inspired by Disney Villians. I think Diablo is a character because I was shocked that my daughter, who recently got into it, knew who he was. She’s not into Disney at all, but is into this.
This all sounds amazing and I would love a roller coaster and the river ride as well. Fantastic ideas!!
It is likely the upcoming villians show/Pavillion in Hollywood Studios is meant for training up a caste of experienced villian characters for the future villains land projects.
I cannot wait for this Villians Land. It would be awesome if they had a grand scale show like Fantasmic back there that incorporates the villians castles much like the countries in Epcot go along with the night time show.
Probably not.
No villains starred in Beauty and the Beast: Belle's Magical World, Brother Bear 2 or The Fox and the Hound 2.
With Disney acquisitions, including 21st Century Fox, this should be a separate theme park, not just a land. So many fan favorite movies like Hocus Pocus, Rocky Horror, could you imagine?
An old contract with Universal does not allow Disney World to do/have anything Marvel (except for The Guardians of The Galaxy for some reason...?) in any of their parks in Florida.
Keep the rivers of America and do a villains theme park
@@Lordvader0727 so much water surrounds WDW Florida already, so losing Rivers of America isn't that bad. Disneyland on the other hand, that would be a big loss.
@@MrDirtpaw unfortunately within Magic Kingdom there isn’t that much water
Great work! Would love to see 2 coasters eventually. One for families and one very thrilling. Also a thrilling flat ride would be great. This land will be super packed and needs more to do.
Thanks for the details Jack! I am very excited to finally see a villain's land. I would be thrilled to see aHaunted Mansion restaurant, but I can't see it in Villain's Land. I do hope they can find a spot for one in an appropriate spot.
GO DISNEY GO!!! I really like the idea of Walt Disney World having a 'VILLIANS LAND, such a great idea!
Wait 5 more years 😂😂
Lol.. You're on crack if you actually think this is getting built
@@BobBaker-v9v 🤣🤣🤣
Wow! That's a long time to build a land. Also, for the Walt Disney World Railroad, the audio will be updated before the arrival of the Fantasyland station, just like the updated of the audio of Disneyland Railroad for the passing of the attraction from Splash Mountain to Tiana's Bayou Adventure, before the arrival of Mickey's ToonTown station.
I'm quite excited for villains land. A wild idea would be if disney had RMC built them a maleficent themed coaster with their eye box track and supports looking like bramble.
Love the idea, but no way. RMC will never work with Disney. You know it’ll be Vekoma. The only other manufacturer would be Mack
I did hear some rumors that the Maleficent coaster with thorns depicted in the art has been green-lit for the Villain’a land. That’s the most detectable of art in the concept art.
I want the villains land e-ticket to basically be Fantasmic but in dark ride form. Would also really love it to be a hybrid dark ride-family friendly coaster
Great video as always, I had even considered that we are getting four new attractions in place of Tom Sawyers and the Liberty Belle, I can’t imagine a better trade. I was thinking the same thing that a dark ride with all the villains would be epic, fingers crossed for that!
Honestly, MK needs a teens/adult area. If parent's don't want to take their kids back there, don't. It's getting put in the very back of the park for a reason. The whole of the park is geared towards families. The problem I think Disney is seeing (as am I) is that the teenage demographic, for the most part, goes to Hollywood Studios for the big thrills like Tower of Terror, Rock N Rollercoaster, and Rise of the Resistance and then leaves property and heads for Universal. Parent's of littles are going to need to get over themselves on this one. Also, I don't think it's going to be spooky scary. Look at the Evil Queen at Disneyland. She's not "evil" or "scary", she's incredibly funny. And I think that's the angle Disney is going to go for. I don't think there is going to be much, if any, alienation of families on this. Universal's pretty much said that Dark Universe is going to be Halloween Horror Nights 365 days a year. I think Disney is going to go for a Mickey's Not So Scary feel. Time will tell.
Disney will never do this (outside of their cruise ships) but it would be nice.
I have a better idea. BAN KIDS FROM DISNEY PARKS ALTOGETHER SO THE REST OF US CAN ENJOY OURSELVES. 😂
Unique and informative as usual buddy, thx!
OMG Brilliant Video i only wish it was longer
I think the land will be roughly the same size as galaxies edge about 14 acres. I think the dark ride will be to the north east with the entrance coming in past the retaining pound in that square section of trees. It’s 2.5 acres exactly the right size for a large show building like smugglers run or rise. I also think there will be some sort of third ride added. They’ve disclosed 2 Eticket attractions. But we all know u have to have other attractions. So either a C ticket ride or a show. I think a bar / lounge will go directly behind haunted mansion and a restaurant will go on the left side of the retaining pond. All the back of house access is there.
Great video! Looking at the landscape, I can't see how Villian's Land is going to be a "grand scale" experience with what you outlined. If they used most of Rivers of America for the Cars area and built Villan's Land with all the available space past the railroad, now we're talking!
@@scottcusson8655 - How large do you think theme parks lands are?
Cars Land (at Disney California Adventure) is 12 acres, Pandora (at Animal Kingdom”) is 10, Galaxy’s Edge (at North Hollywood Studios and Disneyland) is 12. While Super Nintendo World (at Universal) is 7 acres, and Dark Universe (at Epic Universe) is 9.
Meaning, there is more than enough land within the tracks to build the Villains Land. Leave the area outside the berm for a later expansion. Magic Kingdom’s Cars Land is a mini-land, not a clone of the one in California. Radiator Springs Racers is not being replicated, which is why a show building is not needed.
@@ChienaAvtzon It really depends on land utilization. I'll just focus on two parks here. Toy Story Land and Galaxy's Edge. Toy Story land is about 11 acres and feels small because Slinky Dog Dash is encompassed within the land. Where as both of Galaxy's Edge's rides are outside the perimeter which allows for an expansive experience. If Disney builds both of the rumored eticket rides beyond the railroad tracks, it could work. We'll just have to wait and see until they release more concrete plans.
@@scottcusson8655 - Disney is not building outside the track. Even Galaxy’s Edge has the show buildings within the 12 acres. It is just one is a dark ride and the other is a motion simulator, both of which have a smaller footprint than an exposed roller coaster.
I suspect the Villains Land will take layout queues from Hong Kong’s Arendelle, which has a dark ride and themed coaster within the mountains. That Arendelle is not as large as everyone assumes, but is actually the most immersive and detailed in the world. It is actually superior to its Fantasy Springs counterpart in Tokyo. The Arendelle in Fantasy Springs has tons of dead space and looks barren.
There should be a villain's' hotel like at Fantasy Springs. Imagine staying overnight in the Magic Kingdom. Those gravel pads could be the parking lots.
From the looks of it, the roller coaster and the dark ride might be the only attractions for Villains at Magic Kingdom and more likely be occupied with 10 shops/restaurants.
Wish Disney would include more smaller flat rides with this expansion, Just look at Tokyo DisneySea, the Fantasy Springs expansion has 4 attractions with no shops.
@@samuelwitwicky3900 - The lack of shops is actually a huge flaw with Fantasy Springs. Especially, within the “Frozen” section. That area is just an over-themed restroom.
Fun Fact :
Among existing Disney villains, there are some neutrals( but ultimate mutuals or anti-heroes & anti-heroines(Villains-Turned-Hero(in)es)), based on Disney drama film remade from the Disney's original (2D) cartoon.
Here are examples,
• *** Maleficent _ Sleeping Beauty "Maleficent (1~2. Planned 3~)"
• Cruella De Vil _ 101 Dalmations "Cruella" _ 2021
• Captain Hook _ (Peter) Pan or Peter&Wendy ???
• Grimhilde (Wicked Queen) _ Snow White _ 2025 March (planned)
• etc.
Villains Land is going to be amazing if they do it justice and spend the money on it. A Maleficent coaster seems nailed on. A Hades boat ride too. Would love a Madam Mim meet and greet. Also Yzma deserves a shop or restaurant. Cruella car chase in the style of the Mario Kart ride seems a good option too!
Awesome! How long is it coming?
The thorn coaster strikes me as an RMC with that shadow
I wonder if Pixar villains will be eligible to appear here? Could be a chance to debut Syndrome and Ernesto de la Cruz as meet-and-greet characters.
Your spot on Jack with your analysis, clever thinking regards to the rollercoaster, I hope its themed around forbidden mountain and not just a stand alone rollercoaster with no themeing (unlikely) i also hope that Malificents castle could be the size of say beauty and the beast castle in Tokyo where you walk through into the dark ride, it deserves more than just a little castle such as the Beasts castle at MK where you have to rely on perspective
I filled out a survey yesterday for my recent WDW visit and they asked a lot of questions about the WDW Railroad. Makes me wonder what they are considering for it.
I hope you gave positive answers! Shortly before Covid I got a survey full of Muppetvision 3D questions and gave it a glowing review.
Man, if the suits even think of touching trains, the thing Walt loved the most outside entertainment, then what are we even doing anymore?
What kind of questions?
@@DrStarlander I was asked about attractions that I rode and how I would rate them. There was an option to rate an attraction as 'Iconic', which I applied to WDWRR. It then asked why I tagged it as such. I did not ask for further comment on any other attraction that I listed as 'Iconic'.
@@jimmertownsend3464 Ah, interesting, thanks. Indeed it's iconic!
Have Pete lead the villains, both Disney and Pixar.
Can’t wait! Villains are my favorite.
There are some many great Disney Villain's that I don't think the "land" should be centered on just one.
If they wanted to build this land to "test the waters" then center it on Malificent and then connect it to Fantasyland through an Enchanted Forest themed walkthrough path. Sort of how Epic Universe will use "portals" to enter the different lands.
Have happy elements when you enter from Fantasyland like nice green trees, animatronic birds, deer, rabits, etc. And as you progress towards Villains Land, it gets darker in tone. The colors of the trees get darker, bark pealing off, no leafs. Maybe have crows and ravens in the trees and glowing red eyes for at night time.
What they really should do is build an entire park themed to the Disney Villains. The park could be more suitable for ages 13+.
Different villain's could have their own land then. As an example, a Hades Land with the underworld, Scar land as the elephant graveyard, Jafar land, Cruella DeVille, Captain Hook, etc. There is so much you could do that way. Thrill rides, roller coasters, track less ridesz etc.
That way the Disney Villains that helped to make all these Disney Animated Movies great, that without them it wouldn't have been the same could finally be fully represented and shown the same love and appreciation by Disney as all the other IP.
I would love to see something Descendants related in Villainsland!
I hope. I hope there’s at least a small area or establishment that’s for adults only. Perhaps a year-round horror area with similar atmosphere as the original Snow White ride and the Black Cauldron walkthrough attraction from Tokyo Disney.
@@enzmondo - Children like scary things too.
Disney Villian is as popular as the Disney Princess franchise..
hoping Disney Fairies should get more attention as Disney Princess & Disney Villian
I hope there's something to do with Yzma, either a coaster or a potion shop
Oooo I like the idea of a potion shop!
It’s obvious not going to be a roller coaster if you look closer, it’s Hades blue.
@@DSNYNewscastif they go with it, they could make it where it's ran by her, Ursula, and the Evil Queen! My dream is that it's an icee shop with weird flavors 😂
I wish VILLIANS LAND would be tied in to Hollywood Studio. With a layout similar to the layout of Epcot. It would be great to walk through Snow White, Sleeping Beauty, and other movies.
I'd love to see an animatronic Yzma and Kronk pull the lever at the start of the coaster, with a drop track
I think Disney is underestimating how popular this land will be. It’s going to be packed. I think it needs to double in size eventually. No doubt this land will be the centerpiece for Halloween especially with its proximity to Haunted Mansion and the Cars area.
Packed? Lol
How, when it's NEVER going to be built..
Great video, as always, Jack. I am personally sick and tired of hearing reports of Disney not doing things because of cost in 2024 and beyond. Costs of a Disney vacation have out paced inflation, everything is nickel and dimed, amenities are cut, all while the parks and experiences are raking in the money. Disney charges for a premium experience; start delivering it again.
Totally random but can we all agree to renevoate Maurice’s cottage and make it a beauty and the beast dark ride. There’s room back there for a show building where a reservoir is now😁
I have a radical thought about what could go into Villains Land: Fantasmic! When I saw the original concept art, I thought that the back part looked like a theater. I know that art was nebulous beyond belief, but the building silhouettes just reminded me of the shape of an arena. And then I see Maleficent in this art. Would they actually do this? Why not? A stadium like the one in the Studios is far cheaper than a dark ride E-Ticket, so it would be a way to open a new land with more than one attraction. (The dark ride could be "Phase II", Disney's favorite phrase.) It would also be the easiest way to get a bunch of villains into the land without some cockamamie backstory. "Okay, so Hades runs this Villain Boot Camp and after each villain got defeated, they signed up and now they've all built little "homes away from home" and they live here, plotting their next moves..." Barf.
They couldn't port the entire show - princesses on rafts wouldn't work in a Villains land - but take out the lovey-dovey stuff and toss in more villains and they'd have a "killer" show. This would also allow them to put a new show into the Studios, which didn't exactly win the D23 "Five-Year Sweepstakes". You know they are DYING to put World of Color somewhere else! (Here and Paris: 2 for 1!) Which also made me realize that the Paris location is a round pond, just like Orlando's. Meanwhile, a Villains Land version could be presented on the Rivers of America, just like it is at Disneyland. ANOTHER way to keep from actually redoing the Rivers entirely (see my other post).
Okay, when I first thought of this, I thought, "Yeah, right." But this is Disney. Nighttime shows and parades and fireworks are WAY more important to them than building actual rides, especially when those shows can recycle things from previous shows. Especially when those shows can be put into more than one park. Especially when those shows can be used to make people think they're spending way more money than they actually are. Especially when those shows can be put on water, keeping costs way, WAY down. I still don't necessarily think they will do this, but I'm putting it out there just in case they do. Also, I'm really starting to like this idea... (which means they REALLY won't do it!)
I wonder, since its a big new area, will they create an extension to the tunnels (utilidors). If they do, would we see the first ever expansion? Seems like a tight space if they wanted to utilize all that land for the restaurants, rides, etc. where else would they put back stage and the utilities? I hope for the cast members that its not just a crappy break room behind a building. Well I hope they do. Would be really cool to see them build it.
This villains land sounds good, cars land too
If there isn’t a coaster to Yzma and Kronk’s lair, that’s a huge missed opportunity.
I wish Disney can figure something out to give us a mini rivers of America or just do a Carsland with Radiator springs
Okay so I've been against getting rid of the river boat an tom sawyers Island, but the way you've explained it really made sense to me. Using the mountains and nature to hide villians land.... I coming around to the idea. as for things id like to see in villains land...id want to see more then two rides...I would like to see classic dark rides as well as the two main rides they are planning on doing. They could be cruella's wild ride ...calling back to mr.toads and, they could rebuild snow whites scary adventure but name it the Queens evil scheme.
Reimagine Discovery Island as a new Tom Sawyer Island. The price tag would be minimal and it's a great repurpose of an existing asset that is an eyesore.
@markdignazio8524 right ! That is what I had wish they do instead!! Something similar to Disneyland like how they did with Galaxy s edge....but now it seems like with the way they have it now their could be a big expansion to villains..villains deserves more then two rides ... hopefully in time they'd do dark rides like snow white an mr.toads...one could be cruella's wild ride an rebuild snow whites scary adventure but name it the Queens evil scheme....wdw only has peter pan in the magic kingdom. It would be nice to have classic fantasy land style rides.
Could they add a railroad stop to the land?
Radiator springs is 12 acres, and it’s literally just a walkway with an E-ticket in the back.
Amos Slade, Denahi and Bowler Hat Guy were not villains.
Maybe it's a coaster that has maleficent than it transfers into Ursula grotto. It travels through multiple villains settings. Like the flights of america . Going fro. New york to san francisco. But, just on a coaster .