looks like the replacement board is not properly sealed or coated (maybe I am off) - or maybe the housing completely seals out the weather, atmosphere and salt air? I really find it odd why few if any electronics is not built to handle high temps 200F + salt water + salt air environments. We are on a water planet. Even iPhones can die in 4' deep pool water ... no salt, though there might be salt in the air.
For the next tender, have you heard about the OC Tender electric jet boats? The Wynns got one of those, it looked fairly nice and it can go on plane with at least two people on board. The batteries are built into the boat and seem to be taking up an acceptable amount of space.
dissimilar metals are always an issue when in contact in a salty environment. I would look into matching metals in those kind of constricted areas, coating is difficult when continuously stressed.
I've been watching you for a long time now. Congratulations on your successful surgery. It's good to see you up and healthy and belated congratulations on marrying one of the most beautiful lady's sailing all the seven seas! Your really a lucky man! While rebuilding your electric boat motors, you opened up the sealed electronics box and found silicon all over your rubber seal, this is a slow death to any electronics! Many years of me being into sensitive electronics assembly, you're not supposed to use silicone sealers past the inner o-ring, silicone is for the outside and is not allowed into a clean and sterile area. It will cause oxidation within sealed box to any exposed copper, which leads to premature corrosion able to expand circuit boards, that has the abilities to brake the silk screened copper traces layered within your circuit board, also eat any exposed surface copper, even contacts inside of relays. I hope this information is helpful to you and your family?
Great video Rick, much enjoyed your commentary. Your voice has much improved! Keep well. I don't own a boat but I'm always down at the Port Credit Yacht Club watching the boats come and go on the lake.
Electric propulsion is great for small low-speed, short-range, short-duration uses such as trolling motors, golf carts, wheelchairs, drones, etc.. However, it doesn't work well for applications which require the power and range of a fueled vehicle, because until science solves the energy density problem, electric propulsion will never replace gas/diesel. Liquid fuels contain much more power per pound than a battery can currently store. A six gallon portable gas tank for a skiff contains many times more usable power than a comparable sized battery. To have a similar amount of power available from a battery bank, you'd need literally hundreds of pounds of batteries. I'm in the world of commercial aviation and I just have to shake my head at how the industry keeps forging ahead with grand plans for electric airplanes carrying paying passengers and cargo. However, it's a pie-in-the-sky dream at present, because the aircraft being developed will never be able to carry much, go very far or fast, until the energy density problem is solved.
Carbon capture I think will be a big part of the solution to climate change. Exxon Mobil about a year ago was building a plant near Houston that would remove all the carbon equal to the amount their oil produces. If that is correct governments should force all oil companies to remove their carbon plus 25% then governments could build plants to remove however much more is needed. If Exxon Mobil can do it the whole world can do it. Then they can figure how to remove methane. Living in SW Louisiana for over 64 years making a living on the water I have seen many changes so no one can make me believe climate change is not real. I say force the oil companies into carbon capture they don't pay taxes anyway and we keep using fossil fuels. To me there's no better answer.
Rick you may think of two gas engines each one half the power of what you would have in one engine. Two motors will give more power together then one of equal HP. Leave steering loose on one motor lock the throttle and steer the other the loose motor will follow the one you steer. And if engine problems the other engine will bring you back. Just a thought.
Yes captain I wasn't thinking about inflatables. We used them on custom built wooden boats for commercial fishing in Louisiana. You would have to make changes but I figured I would put my two cents in anyway.
I get the impression E Propulsion is responsive and appreciates your constructive criticism. An electric device that’s designed to function & last in a salt water environment is no small ask. Kudos to them. 👍
If 1 gallon of gasoline stores up to 36kw of energy and weighs 6 pounds or so it's going to be quite a while before electric motors replace gasoline motors for boats.
Electric outboards should realistically only be used like a trolling motor as an auxiliary. Use it for short trips and convenience and have it mounted to the side of the gas outboard. Which leads you to the point of.... why even bother with an electric outboard ??? I would stick with gas and for fun maybe ....have one of those gps wireless remote trolling motors.... that would be a cool toy to have.
Hi Rick great to hear you are recovering well Long time subscriber, retired Superyacht captain living on my own 62 ft mono . Given that you carried a spare E outboard, what's your opinion on having both Electric and Gas outboards to use depending on needs?.
I think my ultimate setup would be a small secondary electric system for silently traversing rivers and areas where you want to appreciate the silence at 2-4 knots max.. and the main gas engine for when you want to get somewhere in a hurry.. that would be cool!
Thanks for bringing back “Cruising College”👍 Many of the items discussed are way beyond my “Pay Grade”,but knowing it can be fixed/serviced is very reassuring 😎
Talking about your electric propulsion system on the dinghy, I wish you had a week or two to go visit Vagabonde with their dual power sail and solar electric system that propels their entire trimaran. As for range anxiety, you might want to put solar panels on top of the dinghy bimini. I wish most boats carried two dinghys, one electric. What brand is that great shirt, Reyn Spooner?
BTW…Salt and Tar is building a wooden dinghy…about 200 lbs…Powered my Sail, Oars, & small 2 hp engine…Easy to overcome any Plaining issues…What do you think?
Hi Rick, ever thought about a rigid hull dinghy like the OC Tender 330 Carbon and put an electric jet engine on it? Really would like your thoughts about that...
Nice look into the future. Thanks. As far as the "O" ring plus sealant goes, Its a tradition going back at least to the 50's when Chrysler, Johnson and Evinrude plus others used o rings and sealer on all their crankcases.
Sounds like E-propulsion is a great company but I dunno. Seems like only 3 years and needing new circuit boards etc. is not great. Gas has much more energy per pound and unless there is a major breakthrough, will be the go to for the foreseeable future.
This is not uncommon, but it still only puts out a fraction of what the motors need when running.. you would charge about 3 days to equate to maybe 2-3 hours of runtime at not even close to hull speed... it's an equation that just doesn't work yet, unless there is a diesel genset backing it up for times you need power to get out of the way of a storm.. otherwise you are constantly limping from marina to marina between charges like I'm sure you've seen in other channels.
OR you can make up the magical J W Cutchens magic sauce -- a mixture of white grease , motor honey, and silver anti seize in equal parts. This is good for prop shafts, drive splines and steering . Try it you will be amazed.
@@jhaedtler Absolutely-- once was changing oil on a beetle and nothing came out till you spun a screwdriver in the drain. But in my description, you will see I was using it as replacement for simple anti seize.
Im not an electric outboard/inboard guy (yet). MOST people do not have your set up to charge (you are unique) and outweigh gas engines. The bottom line for me is range/speed. Maybe Im just old school
Matalina, please forgive me. I have kept up but not watched all episodes. Are you Colombiana? I am asking because I see you guys are flying the Colombia flag. I married Colombiana. Sweetest soul on earth. Drives me crazy! 🤣
@@SailingSophisticatedLady the corrosion starts between the stainless shaft that goes through the powder coated aluminium may be some grease or tefgel.
I have to admit that I am not a regular watcher of your channel but... you keep mentioning the surgery or is it surgeries and yet I haven't figured out what happened to you and what the surgeries were for. It's kinda frustrating.
@@SailingSophisticatedLady I watched some of those episodes. Lots of hospital and recovery scenes, which are fine. But you don't mention what happened. Way too much material to wade through to figure it out. I bet I'm not alone in saying this. Not trying to be mean or anything, just sharing.
depends entirely on your intended usage for the vehicle.. but yes I think we will see major changes in the next 3-5 years that will open a lot more eyes on the subject
Glad your, beaten salty dog, body made it thru the repair work.. Everyone is saying thanks for the e drive details.. I'm taking the stand..BS. you paid a ton for that motor. To only get 24 months use..BS. divided per month.. it would have been cheaper to hire water taxi. The E drive, has (( major design problems..)), and you should get your money back. The powerd coat looked like it was on a 30 year old Johnson outboard...not a near new motor... What's needed is...CNC parts cut out of marine grade stainless steel,. There should be , hose bib, screw on connectors, so u can, hook up a fresh water flush...and always, be able to flush, those parts, even in salt water. Captain, have them buy all the parts, back for R and D.. research, ...they made it to cheap.. and, if there crap costs. $15.000... and lasts only 24 months... Everyone should know. $134.00 a week lost...no no no..then a gas motor..that lasts 20 years....is cheaper...
dont you love it how you complain about the powder coat yet after its already been under sea water for 3 years your suprised by that and say the powder coating job aint good, yeah nah i beg to differ, salt water will destory most things in its way with enough time.
If there's a weakness in a product the captain will find it, and give you his honest opinion.
This is true!
looks like the replacement board is not properly sealed or coated (maybe I am off) - or maybe the housing completely seals out the weather, atmosphere and salt air?
I really find it odd why few if any electronics is not built to handle high temps 200F + salt water + salt air environments. We are on a water planet.
Even iPhones can die in 4' deep pool water ... no salt, though there might be salt in the air.
I'm looking forward to this new adventure in dinghies, thanks for taking us along.
Great to see you & family back in the norm doing your evaluations and constantly moving forward.
For the next tender, have you heard about the OC Tender electric jet boats? The Wynns got one of those, it looked fairly nice and it can go on plane with at least two people on board. The batteries are built into the boat and seem to be taking up an acceptable amount of space.
The voice is sounding like it's getting back to normal Captain Rick quality. Glad to see you getting better, Captain.
dissimilar metals are always an issue when in contact in a salty environment. I would look into matching metals in those kind of constricted areas, coating is difficult when continuously stressed.
I've been watching you for a long time now.
Congratulations on your successful surgery. It's good to see you up and healthy and belated congratulations on marrying one of the most beautiful lady's sailing all the seven seas!
Your really a lucky man!
While rebuilding your electric boat motors, you opened up the sealed electronics box and found silicon all over your rubber seal, this is a slow death to any electronics!
Many years of me being into sensitive electronics assembly, you're not supposed to use silicone sealers past the inner o-ring, silicone is for the outside and is not allowed into a clean and sterile area. It will cause oxidation within sealed box to any exposed copper, which leads to premature corrosion able to expand circuit boards, that has the abilities to brake the silk screened copper traces layered within your circuit board, also eat any exposed surface copper, even contacts inside of relays.
I hope this information is helpful to you and your family?
Yes, thanks for info!
Thanks for the silicon advise . I thought it was fairly inert , now I know better !
Your voice is really sounding stronger Capt. Cheers.
😀😀👍👍❤❤ Right on Cap and as always great info. Gas for this "point" in time.
Great video Rick, much enjoyed your commentary. Your voice has much improved! Keep well. I don't own a boat but I'm always down at the Port Credit Yacht Club watching the boats come and go on the lake.
Thanks 👍
Electric propulsion is great for small low-speed, short-range, short-duration uses such as trolling motors, golf carts, wheelchairs, drones, etc.. However, it doesn't work well for applications which require the power and range of a fueled vehicle, because until science solves the energy density problem, electric propulsion will never replace gas/diesel. Liquid fuels contain much more power per pound than a battery can currently store. A six gallon portable gas tank for a skiff contains many times more usable power than a comparable sized battery. To have a similar amount of power available from a battery bank, you'd need literally hundreds of pounds of batteries. I'm in the world of commercial aviation and I just have to shake my head at how the industry keeps forging ahead with grand plans for electric airplanes carrying paying passengers and cargo. However, it's a pie-in-the-sky dream at present, because the aircraft being developed will never be able to carry much, go very far or fast, until the energy density problem is solved.
Sounds like exactly what I was saying for boats... but progress is still being made, slowly but surely
Carbon capture I think will be a big part of the solution to climate change. Exxon Mobil about a year ago was building a plant near Houston that would remove all the carbon equal to the amount their oil produces. If that is correct governments should force all oil companies to remove their carbon plus 25% then governments could build plants to remove however much more is needed. If Exxon Mobil can do it the whole world can do it. Then they can figure how to remove methane. Living in SW Louisiana for over 64 years making a living on the water I have seen many changes so no one can make me believe climate change is not real. I say force the oil companies into carbon capture they don't pay taxes anyway and we keep using fossil fuels. To me there's no better answer.
Rick you may think of two gas engines each one half the power of what you would have in one engine. Two motors will give more power together then one of equal HP. Leave steering loose on one motor lock the throttle and steer the other the loose motor will follow the one you steer. And if engine problems the other engine will bring you back. Just a thought.
sounds cool, but yes most 12ft inflatable boats aren't set up for dual engines... yet, Lol
Yes captain I wasn't thinking about inflatables. We used them on custom built wooden boats for commercial fishing in Louisiana. You would have to make changes but I figured I would put my two cents in anyway.
Great intro music and vid tks ssl.
Glad you enjoyed it!
I get the impression E Propulsion is responsive and appreciates your constructive criticism. An electric device that’s designed to function & last in a salt water environment is no small ask. Kudos to them. 👍
Well said!
@@SailingSophisticatedLady Maybe more sacrificial anodes would help . Stainless screws or bolts next to aluminium might not be the best idea either .
Well, a proper comparison is cell phone batteries. I remember when they were housed in a small briefcase.
This is true!
Great presentation Bro Yes yes and yes 🙌
Thank you Cap for the review of this Electric motor E-drive in salt water.....Thanks again and really glad you are doing WELL.....
Old F-4 Shoe🇺🇸
My pleasure!
316SS…all of it. Costly but it works.
Yes, but would also triple the weight...
Regular spraying all parts with a good silicone spray will make those parts last longer.
Great review!!! enjoyed seeing what was inside the top. Thanks
Glad you enjoyed!
Its good to see you back her capitan. Cheers.
I'm still jealous Cap'n Rick, I like quiet.
It seems like you got the dinghy a month ago. I remember when you got it. :¬) Webhead USA
If 1 gallon of gasoline stores up to 36kw of energy and weighs 6 pounds or so it's going to be quite a while before electric motors replace gasoline motors for boats.
I would never even bother with electric.. like you said the weight, the horsepower, I’m kind of a speed demon anyway
Electric outboards should realistically only be used like a trolling motor as an auxiliary. Use it for short trips and convenience and have it mounted to the side of the gas outboard. Which leads you to the point of.... why even bother with an electric outboard ??? I would stick with gas and for fun maybe ....have one of those gps wireless remote trolling motors.... that would be a cool toy to have.
How long since you had the surgery? Hope you continue to heal properly.
Hi Rick great to hear you are recovering well Long time subscriber, retired Superyacht captain living on my own 62 ft mono .
Given that you carried a spare E outboard, what's your opinion on having both Electric and Gas outboards to use depending on needs?.
I think my ultimate setup would be a small secondary electric system for silently traversing rivers and areas where you want to appreciate the silence at 2-4 knots max.. and the main gas engine for when you want to get somewhere in a hurry.. that would be cool!
Thanks for bringing back “Cruising College”👍 Many of the items discussed are way beyond my “Pay Grade”,but knowing it can be fixed/serviced is very reassuring 😎
Talking about your electric propulsion system on the dinghy, I wish you had a week or two to go visit Vagabonde with their dual power sail and solar electric system that propels their entire trimaran. As for range anxiety, you might want to put solar panels on top of the dinghy bimini. I wish most boats carried two dinghys, one electric. What brand is that great shirt, Reyn Spooner?
BTW…Salt and Tar is building a wooden dinghy…about 200 lbs…Powered my Sail, Oars, & small 2 hp engine…Easy to overcome any Plaining issues…What do you think?
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17:52 so Captain, what your saying is “Stick with Gas”.
Electric battery powered transportation has the same limitations it had in the early 1900's not enough charging points, heavy batteries limited range.
Hi Rick, ever thought about a rigid hull dinghy like the OC Tender 330 Carbon and put an electric jet engine on it? Really would like your thoughts about that...
great video.. question.. I have no experience with this but would adding a solar panel on your canopy help with range? at least for day trips.
Nice look into the future. Thanks. As far as the "O" ring plus sealant goes, Its a tradition going back at least to the 50's when Chrysler, Johnson and Evinrude plus others used o rings and sealer on all their crankcases.
Hace a torqueedo and actually had the same experience as you ;) KR
Take some heat to it to free it up. Salt water is so tough on equipment
Sorry, the clutter on your boat would drive me crazy.
My name was on the flag and contributed to ur new engine, still waiting for an invite lol.
I always really appreciate your honest reviews and opinions. It's much appreciated. Thank you❤
Always!
Hey Rick! A 55lb is TOO strong for trolling in the Cariboo, BC
Sounds like E-propulsion is a great company but I dunno. Seems like only 3 years and needing new circuit boards etc. is not great. Gas has much more energy per pound and unless there is a major breakthrough, will be the go to for the foreseeable future.
4:57 plumbers pipe wrench
Watch SV LaVagabond for how their sail drive charges their batteries while under sail.
Pity about there try breaking ?
This is not uncommon, but it still only puts out a fraction of what the motors need when running.. you would charge about 3 days to equate to maybe 2-3 hours of runtime at not even close to hull speed... it's an equation that just doesn't work yet, unless there is a diesel genset backing it up for times you need power to get out of the way of a storm.. otherwise you are constantly limping from marina to marina between charges like I'm sure you've seen in other channels.
Looks like powder coated aluminum not a good idea with saltwater. Injection molded engineering plastics??
And now there are diesel outboards.
that doesn't look powder coated to me, that's painted.
Don't use WD40! It only last 4 to 7 days. I have found Rem oil works 30 times better and lasts about 2 months! Glad your feeling better Rick!
OR you can make up the magical J W Cutchens magic sauce -- a mixture of white grease , motor honey, and silver anti seize in equal parts. This is good for prop shafts, drive splines and steering . Try it you will be amazed.
@@williamoorejr Motor Honey? AKA STP? That has destroyed more engines than lack of oil changes!
@@jhaedtler Absolutely-- once was changing oil on a beetle and nothing came out till you spun a screwdriver in the drain. But in my description, you will see I was using it as replacement for simple anti seize.
No, before watching.
Lets see your opinion after, Lol
Tell me about your current battery durability, have it decreased after 3 years?
200 lbs batteries...how is that safe...very helpful...I'd never have an electric vehicle anyway
Im not an electric outboard/inboard guy (yet). MOST people do not have your set up to charge (you are unique) and outweigh gas engines. The bottom line for me is range/speed. Maybe Im just old school
So you good now.
👍👍👍
EV is not mature enough yet and been on the cutting edge doesn’t help. I truly believe the answer is to transition with hybrid solutions
What ever happened to Ricky’s schooling?
That's only in someplace like San Andres when we are there for a few months at a time
Powder coating are not good!
lol. Yamaha 25 enduro and be done with it
I have something with a little more performance in mind... ;)
Twin enduro 25's!
Matalina, please forgive me. I have kept up but not watched all episodes. Are you Colombiana? I am asking because I see you guys are flying the Colombia flag. I married Colombiana. Sweetest soul on earth. Drives me crazy! 🤣
Italian
need more zinc or stainless
Electricity ,saltwater and aluminum is a recipe for disaster 😢
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Focus
Marine Greece
Needs some zinc attached
There is a zinc on the leg of the outboard you can see in the video, but it doesn't stop the corrosion of the powder coating
@@SailingSophisticatedLady the corrosion starts between the stainless shaft that goes through the powder coated aluminium may be some grease or tefgel.
I have to admit that I am not a regular watcher of your channel but... you keep mentioning the surgery or is it surgeries and yet I haven't figured out what happened to you and what the surgeries were for. It's kinda frustrating.
He explains some of that in rhe last, or next to the last, episode.
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@@SailingSophisticatedLady I watched some of those episodes. Lots of hospital and recovery scenes, which are fine. But you don't mention what happened. Way too much material to wade through to figure it out.
I bet I'm not alone in saying this. Not trying to be mean or anything, just sharing.
There's a lot of reasons 47% of EV owners say they would NOT buy EV again. Not the least bit of interest for me, maybe some day.
depends entirely on your intended usage for the vehicle.. but yes I think we will see major changes in the next 3-5 years that will open a lot more eyes on the subject
Algorithm comment.
Glad your, beaten salty dog, body made it thru the repair work..
Everyone is saying thanks for the e drive details.. I'm taking the stand..BS. you paid a ton for that motor. To only get 24 months use..BS. divided per month.. it would have been cheaper to hire water taxi. The E drive, has (( major design problems..)), and you should get your money back. The powerd coat looked like it was on a 30 year old Johnson outboard...not a near new motor... What's needed is...CNC parts cut out of marine grade stainless steel,. There should be , hose bib, screw on connectors, so u can, hook up a fresh water flush...and always, be able to flush, those parts, even in salt water. Captain, have them buy all the parts, back for R and D.. research, ...they made it to cheap.. and, if there crap costs. $15.000... and lasts only 24 months... Everyone should know. $134.00 a week lost...no no no..then a gas motor..that lasts 20 years....is cheaper...
dont you love it how you complain about the powder coat yet after its already been under sea water for 3 years your suprised by that and say the powder coating job aint good, yeah nah i beg to differ, salt water will destory most things in its way with enough time.
I have had enough boats and outboards in 30 years to know that this coating is not holding up nearly as well as most others I've had by comparison