It’s not like Honda doesn’t know the deficiency’s that you mentioned. A very high percentage of the people purchasing it are going to notice and be required to spend more money just to feel confident, something in their corporate culture needs to change allowing the feedback from test riders during development to end up on the production bikes. Bottom line is when poor suspension setup is not allowing full effort from the target weight range riders at any skill level but can be fixed by aftermarket companies it’s not Honda’s capability but their willingness to apply TESTERS feedback into production. Engineering data isn’t always real world. Ps: Your communication of what to expect is from the areas most people are concerned about is second to none! Thanks for the truth!
@@shaun7126 No !!! Mxa compared the Honda to the bike that won their 21 450 shootout and seeing the 22 are unchanged ,I imagine the shootout wil be similar. SHOULD They compare the Honda to the Suzuki then ???
@fasteddie659. Why would you think that ? Ktm won Mxa 450 shootout in 2021 and seeing the 22s are virtually unchanged I imagine the results will be the same. Should they compare the Honda 450 to the Suzuki ????
People complaining about comparing to ktm... ya because ktm is leading the industry in innovation and performance. Whether you like em or not you have to admit they are the Mercedes of dirt bikes right now
i understand your comparison however i also realize you are probably not an auto repair mechanic. none of the techs at the local benz store drive a benz. they drive toyotas and hondas mostly. if somebody gave me a benz i would liquidate it as soon as possible and spend that money on a ktm hahaha!
@@DavyBrando the point was that the automotive comparison did not fit. your comment is another perfect example of an automotive comparison that does not quite fit. thank you for sharing.
@@i.jackanov7382 Yeah I agree, I was replying to the other guy. It’s hard to find an analog in the automotive industry for dirt bikes, but Mercedes is a poor example by virtue of Japanese brands (in particular, Honda) being just as competitive and innovative.
i can see what your saying, however, i feel that is some of the best and coolest parts of "on any sunday" that make my heart swell the hardest to go riding myself. that movie was beautiful.
Mixed up a few of your facts. Forks are 5mm longer from the 20 not 10, and they claim 3lbs lighter then the 20 not 5. Still a good review tho. How clean was the mapping though? Seen another review said the bike had a lot of decel pop.
Sounds like you don’t like the bike at all .... you may think I’m crazy but my 2015 air forks on both my 250 and 450 were some of the best forks I’ve ridden . ...
it's exactly like a very nice carb with bad jetting the part is great but tuned like crap it's going to act like crap. the technology is not the tuning. magazines have to keep it pretty coarse and general for the public.
@@garonburwell9008 Good analogy. It just seems to me that this has been a trend for many years and wonder why they don't try to tune it better, for the target audience. After all, we are talking about closed-course race bikes. Thanks for the thoughtful reply.
@@poullinneberg1876 I've mostly rode on Showa's myself. I believe both brands are good if properly dialed in. When I raced arenacross and sx, suspension was so key...
It makes me laugh that all you guy's making comments about the Honda just from the reviews you've heard over the past...if you ever rode one you would know that a Honda 450r is the most powerful, stable bike out there at speed and, on the throttle. It has a more rigid frame than any other bike that tracks straighter and, is more stable at speed when rode hard and, fast. And, yes it isn't the easiest bike to ride for most guy's because, of the power it has and, the frame being so rigid. Also, the steering being tighter than other bikes does take a little getting use to. If you are an average 160 to 180 lb rider the stock Showa front forks work absolutely awesome and, eat up the big bumps better than any other fork out there. And, yes I have rode them all and, can tell you that a Honda really does give you wings!
@Duke Bonde ...no, don't work for Honda and, wasn't saying it was the best bike out there but, it is definitely the most powerful and, controlable if set up right and, if you are capable.
Obviously you haven't rode a crf 450r because, if you have rode a crf 450r in stock form you definitely wouldn't say it doesn't feel the most powerful.
KTM Action strikes again. Clearly comparing this bike to a pumpkin with cone valves. Those air forks are completely bogus and anyone who can at least half ride converts the air forks back to spring forks.
never mentions cone valve suspension. he compares the frames, which a suspension guy cannot help directly. so even worse news for guys with "feelings" about honda. however ktm solved this problem completely because you can just buy a red ktm now. "feelings.... nothing more than feelings...."
@@garonburwell9008 Like I said, they are not comparing it stock KTM suspension. Otherwise they wouldn't be making such ridiculous comments. KTM suspension stock is completely bogus. If you are going to compare it to anything, at least compare it to the best suspension in class, the Yamaha.
@richie Rich. Why wouldn’t they compare it to the bike that won their 450 shootout last yr and all the new 22 are virtually unchanged. Should they compare the Honda to a Suzuki then ?
Glad you are expressing your thoughts but it sounds to me like you are a huge KTM spokesman and I'm really surprised that Honda sounds like a pile of crap after listening to your review. Crazy thing because I have never had issues in my past with Honda but again I don't have the KTM crush like the new kids on the block are getting. I sure hope if people are wanting to research models before buying one that this isn't the only video that they watch because it's not going to be a unbiased explanation of the bike. Look at other reviews and see what other real professional reviews have to say. Do the research and schedule a test ride at a dealership so you can do your own research before pulling the trigger 😉.
Better yet get a factory edition honda, its gonna win the mxgp championship and got 3rd in the ama championship and the 250 has won the 2021 ama 250 championship, ride red
@@stan_smith395 We know, we know... Ive watched every race, every moto twice, and until they made a controversial "Frame Change" most likely outside of homologation, he wasnt touching the red team. This isnt my opinion, these are just the facts... And we are talking about 3 motos out of 24... So yeah, I might know something...💁♂️
I feel like that was a deliberate bungle by Honda on ast years model with the map and suspension etc just to make more money. They been at this game for how long now, and making these amateurish kind of mistakes doesn't inspire confidence.
UNTIL THEY MAKE A CR500 . I wont be buying any of their bikes . when you think of Honda you generally think quality , but seems like it has slowly decreased over the years .
Looks like Honda went back to their "Blaze Red" color. Looks Badass!
I LOVE ❤️ IT
It’s not like Honda doesn’t know the deficiency’s that you mentioned. A very high percentage of the people purchasing it are going to notice and be required to spend more money just to feel confident, something in their corporate culture needs to change allowing the feedback from test riders during development to end up on the production bikes. Bottom line is when poor suspension setup is not allowing full effort from the target weight range riders at any skill level but can be fixed by aftermarket companies it’s not Honda’s capability but their willingness to apply TESTERS feedback into production. Engineering data isn’t always real world.
Ps: Your communication of what to expect is from the areas most people are concerned about is second to none! Thanks for the truth!
As always Mxa delivering a detailed and informative test , if I’m about to spend 10k on anything I want to know as much about it as possible.
Take a look at vital mx shootout with ping👍🏿
Good test and ideas Josh, and compare it to the KTM has a good points, will be interesting over the next few months.
KTM's fall apart after 30hrs, stick to a Honda or Yamaha for longer lasting bikes
Really like the Honda CRf 450 2022 guy's super review 👍
Man sounds like KTM action
Right. He compared every bike to his ktm. 🍊 helmet that he had for several years. His favorite color is orange white and now red
@@shaun7126 No !!! Mxa compared the Honda to the bike that won their 21 450 shootout and seeing the 22 are unchanged ,I imagine the shootout wil be similar. SHOULD They compare the Honda to the Suzuki then ???
Once you ride a ktm, you’ll be comparing everything to it too 😂
@@IISevv ridden every bike ktm offers 🤷🏼♂️ bought a kawi
Funny ktm ad in a honda test
Is this ktm action magazine???
@fasteddie659. Why would you think that ? Ktm won Mxa 450 shootout in 2021 and seeing the 22s are virtually unchanged I imagine the results will be the same. Should they compare the Honda 450 to the Suzuki ????
@@scotto_123 copy paste copy paste
He raced the KTM at Hangtown so it's obviously his choice. I'm not saying that's a bad thing he is welcome to choose whatever he likes best.
I have a 2022 crf450r and for some reason I can’t catch my cousins 2020 Kawasaki 450 is it the rider or what??
KTM is ruling MX . The guard has changed bk to its origins & that's awesome! Europe invented MX. -NY
test the YZ 125 2022...
How much power at the wheels did you guys get? Seems different guys getting different readings.. some 50rwhp. Some 54rwhp. Some got 57. What you get?
People complaining about comparing to ktm... ya because ktm is leading the industry in innovation and performance. Whether you like em or not you have to admit they are the Mercedes of dirt bikes right now
i understand your comparison however i also realize you are probably not an auto repair mechanic. none of the techs at the local benz store drive a benz. they drive toyotas and hondas mostly. if somebody gave me a benz i would liquidate it as soon as possible and spend that money on a ktm hahaha!
This comment aged well: considering Honda just won in the F1, beating Mercedes 🤣
@@DavyBrando the point was that the automotive comparison did not fit. your comment is another perfect example of an automotive comparison that does not quite fit. thank you for sharing.
@@i.jackanov7382 Yeah I agree, I was replying to the other guy. It’s hard to find an analog in the automotive industry for dirt bikes, but Mercedes is a poor example by virtue of Japanese brands (in particular, Honda) being just as competitive and innovative.
@@DavyBrando you like honda. got it.
"Old wine, in a new bottle"...
Someone tell me the difference i am confused either to buy Honda crf 450 r or Honda crf 450 rx ?😅
Hey bud which one has the least engine brake?
Kills me to watch motocross RACING in slow motion. It's a contradiction!
i can see what your saying, however, i feel that is some of the best and coolest parts of "on any sunday" that make my heart swell the hardest to go riding myself. that movie was beautiful.
I hate slow mo, It’s all about Raw
So these bikes are good to go with ecu this year im going to get one i hope i dont have. Bog problems
I hope you brought one, I did and love it. I just when up one spring rate on the forks a shock and re-valved both ends and its a weapon
Mixed up a few of your facts. Forks are 5mm longer from the 20 not 10, and they claim 3lbs lighter then the 20 not 5. Still a good review tho.
How clean was the mapping though? Seen another review said the bike had a lot of decel pop.
I own the bike and am an A rider. There is a tiny bit of decel pop from the high rev to idle in the air in the standard mode. Not bad at all
@@jacksonmortenson5096 thanks for the reply. Not that bad then at all
I own one too, mapping is perfect I have no pop or anything
@@trickynic3866 that’s what i want to hear. Have you rode any other 450’s to compare it to?
Notice how everything is compared to a KTM… evidently the Golden standard…. 😂😂
The helmets only let me see orange lol
Only problem for Honda is that KTM is getting ready to drop a whole new bike in 23.
Love my KTM 500
Nah no where near too unreliable and inconsistent
I mean ya ktm is leading the industry on pretty much every single category
Ok shut about lasts year Map it's an easy fix, so is suspension and almost everyone has suspension re- valved that buys these
Cv?
Sounds like you don’t like the bike at all .... you may think I’m crazy but my 2015 air forks on both my 250 and 450 were some of the best forks I’ve ridden . ...
It seems SHOWA struggles to make a really good fork (stock)? Great looking bike.
it's exactly like a very nice carb with bad jetting the part is great but tuned like crap it's going to act like crap. the technology is not the tuning.
magazines have to keep it pretty coarse and general for the public.
@@garonburwell9008 Good analogy. It just seems to me that this has been a trend for many years and wonder why they don't try to tune it better, for the target audience. After all, we are talking about closed-course race bikes. Thanks for the thoughtful reply.
Ill take showa All day over kyb but suzuki and honda dont make 2strokes No more🤮 so Im stuk with yamaha and kyb
@@poullinneberg1876 I've mostly rode on Showa's myself. I believe both brands are good if properly dialed in. When I raced arenacross and sx, suspension was so key...
Hey Honda, I will trade you my 2007 yamaha yz250f for one!
It makes me laugh that all you guy's making comments about the Honda just from the reviews you've heard over the past...if you ever rode one you would know that a Honda 450r is the most powerful, stable bike out there at speed and, on the throttle. It has a more rigid frame than any other bike that tracks straighter and, is more stable at speed when rode hard and, fast. And, yes it isn't the easiest bike to ride for most guy's because, of the power it has and, the frame being so rigid. Also, the steering being tighter than other bikes does take a little getting use to. If you are an average 160 to 180 lb rider the stock Showa front forks work absolutely awesome and, eat up the big bumps better than any other fork out there. And, yes I have rode them all and, can tell you that a Honda really does give you wings!
@Duke Bonde ...no, don't work for Honda and, wasn't saying it was the best bike out there but, it is definitely the most powerful and, controlable if set up right and, if you are capable.
@Duke Bonde That's why all the pro's tame it down with aftermarket ehaust!
Obviously you haven't rode a crf 450r because, if you have rode a crf 450r in stock form you definitely wouldn't say it doesn't feel the most powerful.
How much rear wheel HP on dyno? -thanks
58.15 peak horsepower👌🏼
Ken Kaplan video shown differ
@@HennyTRX3773 58 is crank hp, Josh misspoke
@@HennyTRX3773
Because Kaplan didn’t run it through the whole rpm. 50rwhp out of any modern 450 is laughable at best.
@@Mountain_Yeti Are you trying to compare a 4 stroke to a 2 stroke? Because that's laughable at best.
KTM Action strikes again. Clearly comparing this bike to a pumpkin with cone valves. Those air forks are completely bogus and anyone who can at least half ride converts the air forks back to spring forks.
never mentions cone valve suspension. he compares the frames, which a suspension guy cannot help directly. so even worse news for guys with "feelings" about honda.
however ktm solved this problem completely because you can just buy a red ktm now.
"feelings.... nothing more than feelings...."
@@garonburwell9008 Like I said, they are not comparing it stock KTM suspension. Otherwise they wouldn't be making such ridiculous comments. KTM suspension stock is completely bogus. If you are going to compare it to anything, at least compare it to the best suspension in class, the Yamaha.
Might as well get the CRf if your going to get the susp done anyways.
@richie Rich. Why wouldn’t they compare it to the bike that won their 450 shootout last yr and all the new 22 are virtually unchanged. Should they compare the Honda to a Suzuki then ?
@@scotto_123 No, compare it to the best suspension in the class. The Yamaha.
I think this "one millimeter" and 104,5mm sag guy smoke too strong stuff.
congratulations on being like every other joe bro who has never set sag.
Хонда 🔥🔥🔥
Glad you are expressing your thoughts but it sounds to me like you are a huge KTM spokesman and I'm really surprised that Honda sounds like a pile of crap after listening to your review. Crazy thing because I have never had issues in my past with Honda but again I don't have the KTM crush like the new kids on the block are getting. I sure hope if people are wanting to research models before buying one that this isn't the only video that they watch because it's not going to be a unbiased explanation of the bike. Look at other reviews and see what other real professional reviews have to say. Do the research and schedule a test ride at a dealership so you can do your own research before pulling the trigger 😉.
Keren 🔥
We want to hear the bike not music.
Why don't you marry ktm
KTM 💯💪
Annoying music.
Just buy a KTM Factory Edition and be ready to race!!!!
Yeah but KTM cant get on the podium this year, except for supercross...
@@lancesmith4390 webb got on the podium last weekend and the weekend before so obviously u don't know anything
@@stan_smith395 top three riders outdoors are on Yamaha, Kawasaki and Honda. Webb won’t be top third in the championship…
Better yet get a factory edition honda, its gonna win the mxgp championship and got 3rd in the ama championship and the 250 has won the 2021 ama 250 championship, ride red
@@stan_smith395 We know, we know...
Ive watched every race, every moto twice, and until they made a controversial "Frame Change" most likely outside of homologation, he wasnt touching the red team.
This isnt my opinion, these are just the facts...
And we are talking about 3 motos out of 24...
So yeah, I might know something...💁♂️
I feel like that was a deliberate bungle by Honda on ast years model with the map and suspension etc just to make more money. They been at this game for how long now, and making these amateurish kind of mistakes doesn't inspire confidence.
Covid
KTM KTM KTM KTM KTM KTM
Are you testing a KTM or Honda ? 🤦
Every video of theirs is mainly talking about the ktm.
Makes sense to me. It won their shootout, should they compare it to the Suzuki then ???
you just do the best to bring KTM in front ..... what ever other company do --- MXA say : its a copy of KTM ..... why ? why? why ????
This guy bleeds orange!
Ellllliott
Say Ktm one more time
👎🏽
these guys are honda haters,,, why do you guys even test them... stay testing the junk bikes man
UNTIL THEY MAKE A CR500 . I wont be buying any of their bikes . when you think of Honda you generally think quality , but seems like it has slowly decreased over the years .
All the manufacturers have, KTM sell twice as many parts as honda