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Installing a Completely Overkill Multi-room Audio and Home Network Setup!
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- Опубликовано: 9 авг 2024
- In today's video we're once again running cabling in a friend's new build house. However this time, in addition to the usual networking cabling, we are also running speaker wiring and installing a totally overkill whole-home audio setup powered by a Biamp Tesira Server-IO DSP and separate power amplifiers installed in a 48U rack in the garage. We also install downlights in the bathroom and several ceiling speakers in some of the rooms.
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Chapters:
00:00 - Introduction
01:49 - Working out cable routes
15:10 - Starting to pull in cables
21:07 - Installing ceiling speakers in the bedroom
27:58 - Totally overkill DSP and amplifier setup - Biamp Tesira Server-IO
34:09 - Bedroom speaker demonstration
38:15 - Bathroom downlight installation
40:36 - Bathroom ceiling speaker installation
43:30 - All speakers working!
44:09 - More Tesira Server-IO configuration
44:47 - Quick tour of everything we've done
52:10 - Conclusion
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That DSP is super cool, it'll be awesome if we get to see it fully setup later on. Thanks for filming it all!
Fancy seeing you here!
I am new and addicted to your videos. I watched one years ago about networking your apartment and found you again. Please keep them coming! 🙂
“Random” and “rambly” - get in - my sort of video from you. Keep it up!!
I loved the previous network installation video! Glad to see another one 😀
This was a really cool video to watch and it gives me an insight into how installing structured cabling works. Great video! 👍
Love these long form videos :) Thank you for another one!
Agreed! Thanks 😊
great video good job
Ive been installing Tesira systems for the past couple of years. Looking to start my own company installing the systems in home integrations. Good stuff
Excelllent detailed vid as always thanks. Would defo love to see one of your detailed vids on how you patch the holes in walls and ceilings please.
Always amazed at how houses are built in other countries. In The Netherlands a lot of houses are concrete ceiling and cinderblock/stone or even concrete walls where you could not be able to run cables like this. So in most cases you have to think about where you want things during the build, or "mill" grooves in the wall to put cable "conduits" in.
this is great, I have purchased speakers and wanted to find something like that Tesira gear, i didn't know it existed. now i know i want this! please if posable do in depth video on the tesira gear!
Server IO is a good score. I just nabbed a DAN VT for home. It is now my conference system and speaker processor. It also gets program feeds from my Crestron DM system.
Love the setup, i miss the nice Tisera DSP at my last job, dante audio and all was a great bit of kit to play with. Im doing a similar setup myself using a control4 16 channel amp, and trying to come up with a decent DSP, this might have just convinced me to spend the money than DIY it.
Nice video :)
Using the low impedance versions (24C) of the JBLs in a long cable length application like the multi-room setup, I'd have used thicker speaker cables but maybe that's just me. That Crown amplifier does have the 70/100v line capability for 24CTs, but maybe it's just not necessary until you get to big commercial installations.
The difficulty with higher voltage speakers is the limited frequency response - fine for background music and PA applications but probably not as good for a setup like we have here. They'd be required for huge commercial installs and when speakers need daisy chained.etc but realistically here, the cable runs aren't actually that long. Most runs we have here will be well under 10m long which is probably not far off what you'd find in some home 5.1 setups where the speaker cables need to take a long route around a room. Based on the information here www.cambridgeaudio.com/usa/en/blog/speaker-cables it's best to keep the resistance of the cable to less than 5% of the speaker's impedance. With the where I measured the continuity to identify the cable, the resistance (of both conductors added together) was 0.34Ω, so with 16Ω speakers we're well within that, could practically double the length and still be fine.
@@camerongray1515 I was wondering about frequency response, and maybe even high-quality transformers would've affected sound quality. But yeah it seems low impedance works just fine :) thanks for taking the time to reply!
Awesome video as always. Your mate can’t get another IBM rack can he? 🙂
Check the injector loom for oil ingress, is a really common issue on td5 👍
Another great video and fab job. Though I’m a bit mad at you… I now am looking at Biamp Tesira systems and am looking at how my savings accounts are doing 😂😂😂
I'm a bit mad at my friend for introducing me to it too, now I want one despite having no space for it... maybe one for the future though!
great video! any tips for putting speakers in the ceiling without making a big mess?
Would love a deeper dive on the Tesira product, what is it, how does it work, which product would I get for what use kind of questions.
For the bathroom speaker are you using a high voltage tap, or bypass into the 16-ohm speaker? Any recommendations if wanted to run a Cloud CS C4H from its own small amp far away from my main rack?
Kept having to check playback wasn't at 1.25 😅
How did you end up fire sealing the whole you made in the ceiling in the garage. Did you get some expanding fire foam or did you find a way to do it that left it accessible in the future?
Nice cable terminations, what are you using for those?
11:36 There exist flexible installer bits which are designed for drilling through framing lumber within stud wall cavities. They're usually 36" long or so and come with a tool designed to hold the shaft in the desired position while drilling. They're invaluable for drilling perpendicular holes through plates. I often use mine with a cheap USB borescope connected to my phone so I can see what I'm doing.
Those bits look ideal however weirdly they aren't particularly common in the UK. Every time I look into getting one I can only really find them available if I were to import them from the US which would take too long to arrive so I never bother ordering one, then by the time I next have a use for one it's too short notice to get one again. I just need to bite the bullet at some point and get one to hold onto for the next time I inevitably need one!
@@camerongray1515 It's funny how some stuff is so common in one market and almost unheard of in another. I feel your pain, though. There are a number of items that I see advertised in the US but which for some reason are difficult to find in Canada, and when you can get them it's by expensive shipping only.
I am currently working with a Biamp Server IO and need to only hook up a few speakers like you are doing. I am having a hard time with the software and getting it to work right. Would you be able to share the config you used for this?
something to point out to anyone who wants to mess around with the Tesira ecosystem; you can get TesiraForte AI or AVB AIs for very, very cheap. for whole home audio you likely don't need AEC inputs (or many inputs at all). I configure and install these basically every day (TesiraForte AVB CIs mostly). using AVB also opens up using remote expanders like the EX-UBT, which gives you ASIO over USB and bluetooth input.
AVB is license encumbered, though. you can get around that by just using a PoE injector if you don't happen to have an AVB licensed switch hanging around, since it's just link-local multicast anyway. or you could use Dante, which isn't license encumbered, and companies like Shure are very much into, and Biamp also supports with their DAN models. Biamp engineers (from the ones I talk to) seem to prefer AVB, however (as do I).
Is ebay the best place to pick these up "cheap" ? (new prices are a bit out of my reach!) My mind is already whirring at the potential for when we move house next year.
This might sound stalky (unintentional). I used to enjoy your videos but lost access to my old Google account a couple of years ago. Just rediscovered you by chance and subed again.
Would be nice if you put links to the equipment in the video :)
Some questions: what hole cutter are you using? (I just saw that padsaw!) Which test meter was that with the large test button on it? Which specific speakers did you install? There are loads of variants of the JBLs. Many thanks
Yeah, we used the padsaw for the speakers then just basic holesaws for the downlights and holes in the garage. The test meter is a Di-Log 9083P. Then for the speakers we are using the JBL Control 24C then the bathroom has a Cloud CS-C4HW. We also have a few other speakers from Cloud for use elsewhere but I'm not sure of the actual models.
By the way, the zones in Part P only correspond to mains cable, but I agree with your principle in using access panels :)
I wasn't 100% sure since I couldn't necessarily find exactly what BS7671 covers in terms of data and audio wiring. I think officially it doesn't really apply to traditional communications wiring although it's not unreasonable that the same cable route could be used to carry alarm wiring or PoE ethernet cables which would technically be classed as "Extra Low Voltage" which is still covered under the regulations. With these sorts of things I'd always err on the side of caution but I definitely feel like it's nice to make the cable routes identifiable - just wish it was the same with things like plumbing rather than having to drill and hope you don't hit a pipe!
It's also worth knowing that Part P doesn't apply here in Scotland. Which is to say, only a qualified electrician is allowed to work on 240v circuits.
Really interested in that DSP. Is there somewhere I can talk to your friend about it and it's capabilities or anyone else who knows about these things? maybe discord?
Great video as always. When running CAT6A around my house i got quite anal about keeping the network cabling away from 240v due to interference. How much of an issue is this to networks?
It's not something I worry about too much, it's best practice to keep them apart but it's unlikely to be an issue in a domestic setting - it's more likely to be an issue in commercial settings where you have electrical cables carrying huge current. So maybe if you have the choice between running it near to a 6A lighting circuit or a 40A shower circuit, maybe avoid the shower circuit but I wouldn't get too hung up over it. Dado trunking used commonly in offices (where you have sockets and network on the same trunking) only gives around 5cm distance between the network and power compartments. Same goes for floor boxes where you'd often have network and power sockets in the same area. Then if you think about things like in data centers where you have a hell of a lot of power and data cables in the back of a server rack. So TL;DR, it's best practice to keep them apart but not the end of the world.
Additionally, I've seen people erroneously citing BS7671 regulation 528.1 which states that Band I (communications) and Band II (mains) need to be separated. This only really applies where the cables aren't sheathed (i.e. the individual Line, Neutral and CPC wires are exposed with only the brown, blue and yellow insulation covering them) and not for something like T&E cable which is sheathed. So don't go running network cables through a pattress box where the sheathing has been stripped off or through conduit containing single insulated wires but this doesn't apply to running it alongside T&E. This is why things like those "media panels" (e.g. www.bewdirect.co.uk/wiring-accessories/white-moulded-sockets-&-switches/deta-slimline/deta-s1985-media-plate-socket-white-s1985 ) which have a couple of sockets and euro module slots on the same plate use a backbox that has a metal separator between the area that contains the sockets and the area that contains the euro module (www.bewdirect.co.uk/wiring-accessories/miscellaneous/metal-back-boxes/40mm-flush-lounge-box-db184 ) - it's to stop the Band I cables coming close to the exposed Band II conductors behind the sockets. Once the cables leave that back box, they'll likely be running pretty close to each other.
Does the amp just send once source to all outputs/channels or is it multi input/output capable ?
The amp has 8 inputs and 8 outputs. So the Tesira has a different output connected to each input on the amp, then each input on the amp feeds to a single output (It's basically like having 8 separate amplifiers in one box). The Tesira then handles which sources to send to which output.
@@camerongray1515 I was hoping that would be the reply ! Would really like to see a video on this once set up if your friend is willing ! I will now have to go and put a couple of saved searches on eBay :)
Will you talk about the extra switch in your home setup soon? You have been teasing that video for a while :)
It's in the works so will hopefully be out soon! I just keep filming other videos that end up taking priority but it will be out!
Question - is that light in the bedroom normal or a temp light? Like the video - my place is overkill when it comes to networking, etc., as well.
The bedroom just has a basic CFL bulb (so probably around 2700K-3000K). The bathroom is a cooler white (not sure on the temperature but would be at least 4000K or cooler). It probably looks weirder on video because the camera's auto white balance was being slow at adjusting when moving between the two rooms.
@@camerongray1515 Why didn't you put a pinky blue light in the bed room ?
@@camerongray1515 Sorry, I meant is that what you use as a fixture. Here, sometimes if rooms are still under construction contractors put in a porcelain base and a bulb but change it out later.
Ahh, I thought you ment temperature, not temporary. Yeah, that'll likely be replaced - the house just came with a single pendant in each room so you'd either install a lampshade or replace the fitting with something nicer. The house is very much finished in terms of construction but he's still getting moved in and set up so nicer light fittings will come later. The housebuilders do provide the option of getting them to install downlights instead of the pendants but they were charging £90 a fitting whereas fitting them ourselves cost well under £10 a fitting!
@@camerongray1515 ok good! Loving the overkill of the wiring. Glad to see I am not the only one doing it!
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37:02 i would probly use these myself and just have like a mono channel subwoofer in a corner or something. or in the center and that would be a perfect home audio setup. Now i can t say much cuz atm i have an entire PA system rigged up in my apartement, which is practicly my studio XD , so yee
Nah, there are couch shakers - essentially a powerful sub without a diaphragm, but a tuned mass, designed to be mounted under a couch. Take one of them, and mount it under bed!
@@klaernie well that could actualy work. I just like the deep bass a lot. I guess XD, for my bedroom in my apartemen / studio ill probly just put two studio mons at the top of the wall, the r channel will be linked by a 4 pin cable, and then ill do something like an MiniDSP flex which will feed lr to monitors, and technicaly its mono, but its an LR, feed down to an cetered sub. And as far as the living room / stufio itself im currently just using two pa subs and a pair of KRK Rokit RP5's and then that gets crossover in the rac and subs are getting power from one NX3000D from behringer runding brodged mono since im running in/thru on the l sub cuz cables werent long enough
@@klaernie couch shaker is only going to let you feel bass. It’s an enhancement not a substitute for a subwoofer. I’ve 4 Crowson’s for home theatre under my couch.
Jesus, I spec and install these Server-IO units for multi-zone lecture theatres, combinable boardrooms, etc for large corporates and education. Having one in a house is bonkers (not to mention expensive as hell).
Yeah although for £600 second hand it's not outwith the realms of possibility! Coincidentally, the Server-IO came from a large company's office building where it had been powering meeting rooms and the amp came from a university lecture theatre.
@@camerongray1515 Man, you cannot find one second hand here in Australia and new they're $10k AUD (~6,000 pounds) not including cards! So a very expensive thing for a house here.
Damn, yeah, it's the sort of thing you maybe just need to sit and search for, maybe set up a saved search on eBay to see if you get an alert if one comes up cheap. It's the sort of thing that may pop up from time to time where electronics recyclers list them having been pulled out of buildings but without really knowing what they are. That way they'll often come with cards as well.
13:13 Why is there a blurred rectangle?
I'm an idiot and managed to cut my finger and bleed everywhere, thought I'd blur it incase anyone squeamish was watching 😅
Your mate owes you a pint... or 10.
I keep thinking about getting a ceiling speaker in my ensuite but then I remember I'm only in there for a few minutes so wouldn't really get to listen to too much music :(
You talk way to fast.
Awesome video as always. Your mate can’t get another IBM rack can he? 🙂
Unfortunately not, it was just a single rack that was being disposed of, although if you look around, lots of companies will gladly give away racks for free since it's cheaper than having to arrange recycling and the don't really have much resale value.