Both bikes are amazing. They're different approaches. Honda nt = much more comfort and wind protection, what makes it ideal for long distances in the motorway. Yamaha tracer= sportier engine (more fun) and better suspensions, so it is better for short distances and twisty roads. Difficult choice, but both awesome.
Living in a colder climate which can shorten the riding season, I find the more wind protection, the better. My FJR1300 with a Vstream windscreen does a great job. I would like a lighter bike but find it hard to compromise on wind protection and comfort. I'd go with the Honda in this case.
Same here. I have an FJR and love the electronic wind screen. When it is cold or rainy the FJR really does a great job of keeping the elements off. If I had one major gripe against the tracer it is wind protection.
I have the previous gen of the tracer 900 (a 2017 fj09) and buffeting is atrocious. I fitted a madstad and its better but still annoying. How can one tour with this problem? If you use it to commute it is not fun either. I feel it heats up quickly, etc. I hope the nt 1100 comes to Canada so I test it out.
The Honda strikes in this point. I made a test ride, and it was a bit warmer than the days before. I didn't bother about this because I have plenty of ventilation on my gear. But it barely work on the NT because of the wind protection.
Yup. I’m a Honda st1300 rider. Similar to the fjr. I love my st1300 electric windshield! Spoiled me. I care about wind, luggage, and the length between seat and foot leg. I’m long legged . I hate cramped knees. Then I care about extras.... I really like a bmw or ktm 1290 style bike if it was Honda reliable and had electric windshield
I have purchased NT1100 manual @43 years old still trying to keep under my control. Honda is more stylish(relatively), quality and reliable. Yamaha has always more agressive drive if compare to others which i am not looking for. My target is been faster from the most cars in trafic not from the other motorcycles which Honda gives.
I am 55 and live in Australia. You want to Tour here. The Nullabor (east to west, Melbourne to Perth) 5500 km. From Vic to far north Queensland (where I live Melbourne to Cairns) 3,200km. NT1100 all day. Comfort over distance with plenty of stability and power. Tracer is a great bike but it is not the tourer that the Honda is!
I’m 51 in Brisbane riding a cb500x and wanting to upgrade. I love spirited riding in the twisties and only go for very long rides every so often. Would you take the Tracer over the NT?
As mentioned below, the DCT on the Honda is adjustable !! If it’s ‘chugging in lower revs’ then you must be in D or S1 mode ! Just stick it in S2 or S3 and it won’t chug at all !!! The DCT is fabulous but only if you know how to change its modes.
A lot of reviewers dog the DTC but they never setup a full power sport mode and then do a zero to sixty time with it. If they did, they would realize that the DTC would put accelerate most bikes in the class. A properly setup sport shifting automatic will be faster than a manual shift.
@@MrBottomrung I purchased a 2015 Honda NM4 with a DTC just out of curiosity. In sport mode that 745 cc engine out pulled my 2017 Africa Twin manual transmission in a 0 to 60 on-ramp run. It sold me on the DTC as a viable option. My Africa was destroyed in an accident in November. I just put money down on a 2021 Africa Twin Adventure Sport DTC. I opted for the DTC due to injuries caused by the crash. I’m excited to see what that bike can do.
How about a shout out for the footage. You guys did these bikes right. They BOTH look awesome- fun, capable, poised. The cool factor went up for me, esp for the Honda. Nice job!
So strange that most casual "reviewers" of the DCT never mention that the DCT has sport and manual modes. I NEVER ride my Africa Twin in D mode and the DCT can be ridden aggressively if you set it in one of the four sport modes or manual mode and go through the gears using the thumb shifters.
I'm riding a Honda X ADV 2019 and I have to agree. I nearly always ride it in sports mode S2 as it gives the bike a bit more agressive throttle response. And sometimes I simply overrule the selected gear with the flick of a switch. Usually, when I need instant power, I just shift one or two gears down. After that the Honda is off to the races and shifts gears back up automatically when the time comes. Don't see myself going back to non DCT to be honest. I'm just too much spoiled I guess.
It feels like reviewers purposely run these things in proverbial rain modes and then complain that they're slow and boring. It's seriously aggravating. Honda's mistake is having any review bikes fitted with DCTs, they should just supply manual gearbox bikes with quickshifters. Of course, that's functionally exactly the same as a DCT bike in manual mode, but reviewers are either too dense or malevolent to draw that conclusion themselves.
sorry, the Tracer looks like a cobbled together mess in terms of styling. Sure, it looks a little more aggressive...the presenter said it best when he compared it to a Transformer...but aggressive doesn't always work in this category. The NT is much more sophisticated and classy looking....like the designers actually spent more that 5 minutes pulling together the bikes aesthetic.
I had the opportunity to test the NT1100 with dct a week ago. I didn´t have that great expectations honesly. But it was a positive surprise! Really easy to ride, comfortable and with a windscreen that actually do the job, it was hands down the most comfortable bike that I have tested. If I would look for a touring bike this would be my choice. With dct? Perhaps. The dct gearbox was smooth and flawless. But I am really a manual dude on both 2 and 4 wheels.
I'm sorry to say that while the dash is better (well, fancier) on the Honda, that's the only winning factor over the Yamaha for me. Having owned 5 Hondas, a Suzuki and now the Tracer 9 GT, from a rider's perspective, the Yamaha is almost perfection. It is comfortable, the screen causes me no issues and the handling/rideability is second to none (in my experience). Performance wise it is phenomenal, mode 1 turning it into a hooligan machine, and fuel wise I've had 230 miles out of a tank (Tesco Momentum) with miles to spare. Looks-wise it is exciting too. By comparison the Honda is a bit... well... Honda... practical, reliable, but lacking charisma. All that said, even in 3 years of ownership of other bikes I have never had as many issues as I have had with the Tracer in 5 months of ownership.
@@jaegerdunnick3587 New throttle bodies, injector bank, radiator, throttle sensor and two recalls... wouldn't buy a 2021 one. Hopefully newer ones ironed out the problems.
Personally i think the NT is not ideal if you want a single bike. If you are in a position to buy a single, do everything bike, the Tracer is better. I have a zx6r for my sport weekend rides / track duty and the NT for long motorway / touring journeys + daily commute. Tracer 9 is clearly a sports tourer. The NT is Far comfier, roomier, more frugal on the gas, better protection but absolutely not as sporty or as capable when really pushing it. I understand why people would WANT to compare the NT with the tracer, but they are built for different riders.
My opinion: long distances > definitely NT1100, shorter > Tracer. You have to change and compromise with a Tracer a lot more (seat comfort, windscreen, TFT - navi), NT has it all and you don't have to buy or change anything, but it's not a triple.
0:32 NT1100 is not a sports tourer. It's just a full-on tourer. Fail from the start. How can you call yourself motorcycle journalists without knowing basic nomenclature?
Sport tourer with 250 kg and 100bhp. Honda is in the wrong category here. NT is an adventure, tourer.. no comparison at all... Tracer 9 GT all the way for me !
Being of a certain age, (66) into comfortable long distance touring and lastly a long time Honda owner I'll go for the NT. I own a NC750xDCT (2021) which fits the bill for me at the moment. Weight was my primary influence. If the NT was around when I traded down from my 2016 Crosstourer Highlander DCT I would have been sorely tempted. The Crosstourer was just too top heavy and hard to push around. No mention was made of the quickshifter which is available on the NT and may have been a cheaper option to full on DCT.
Why are motorcycles are expensive or used cars cheap in Europe? I'd love to buy a new NC or NT, but in that price range there are millions of executive used car options if we're talking about comfort.
@@kozatas try a grammar app and folks might be more able to understand your perspective. Just don't get what your point is. We are motorcyclists. If I wanted a car I'd comment on a car review
I think the 'sports tourer' category is a bit like that though, they're neither true tourers nor true sports bikes and these two have slightly different philosophies
@@gummball I think you've kinda nailed it. And honestly it's always been that way. Honda makes sportish touring bikes and the other Japanese brands make modified sports bikes that *can* also tour. It's kinda always been that way. Personally, I'm a big dude with a bad back who just wants something reliable for all-year riding so I'm gonna pick the Honda nine times of ten. But if you want something that's sporty but will also do the daily commute and some long distance stuff too, the T9 or even something sportier like the offerings from Kawasaki or Suzuki, there's just so much good stuff out there. Frankly if Honda would bring back the ST line-up we'd all be spoiled for choice.
My understanding from your video is that if you favor the « sport » in sport-touring, you go for the Tracer and if you favor the « touring » of sport-touring, you go for the NT?
Finally, and thank you for the comparison test. Both really accomplished, a hard decision. Might've been slightly different with a manual NT with a quick-shifter. Next up, though, MUST be the T9GT vs. S1000GT. How lucky are we to have these incredible choices.
@@jimporter Had given this some thought as the time gets closer to having an NT in the US. I still think the quick shifter is a better choice for me. Lighter, less complex, less cost, and - from what I understand - still more responsive overall to manual shifts. But...I can think of a few situations where the DCT would be very handy.
I'd be concerned with long-term reliability. I have a Yamaha FJ-09 ( love it) but after 21k miles I started having issues. So for me, I think Honda has a better reputation for reliability and my next ride will be based on reliability. Although that triple is awesome.
What issues? I'm at 70,000 miles on my 2015 FJ-09. Other than replacing tires and chains, oh and a radiator but that was because I hit a javelina, no real issues. I guess the button broke off the ride mode selector, and the plastic behind the windscreen cracked, and I am just now replacing the clutch cable, and the battery went out last year...but it has been super reliable for me.
Got the last year '09 bought new. Tooth up on the countershaft sprocket and it's a rocket. Still punches way above its weight in the mid class. Mine otherwise all stock out pulls a buddy's '02 R6. Center Stand! Actual wind protection. Ride's a bit stiff but there's no wallow in the sweepers. Finally treated the bike with some Pilot 4/5 combo and it tracks like crazy in ice cold temps. 22k miles. Wouldn't be surprised in the least if our 11.33 quarter mile time beats these two over tech'd, priced, weight tour bags.
@@kd350 I really like mine. I have bags coming for it. I love the wind protection and sound. I have a scorpion slip on and it sounds amazing. I think I want an FZ1. But if I can Ill keep this bike forever.
@@westondifranco9313 Yeah, bought a Z1000 when they came out in '03. Have 12 bikes so it's not an either/or situation for me. 10.6 in the quarter, better looks, and didn't need a redundant FZ (though the FZ came later).
I'd take the NT1100 for a number of reasons. First, it's nowhere near as fugly as the 9 GT. Second, it's Honda quality. Third, the Honda exhaust sounds so much better. Fourth, the Honda looks so much more comfortable and passenger friendly.
Of the bikes I've owned, the three Yamahas were the most reliable. Both Hondas has electrical issues, so even though their fit and finish is good, in my experience Hondas are not super reliable. The worst of course by a country mile was a 2015 Multistrada which was a total POS.
Slightly odd comparisons here. These are middleweight ‘adventure tourers’. T9GT, F900XR, Versys 1000, Honda C-whatever it is. Relatively upright riding position, panniers and around 110bhp or so. The Suzuki GSX1000GT is very much a sports tourer, in the same bracket as the R1250RS, 1290SDGT, Z1000SX, H2SX. Sportier, riding position more forward, pegs higher and 130bhp (ish) plus. Still able to take pillion and factory panniers.
I really like the looks of the GSX1000GT, also it definitely is not deficient in horsepower. To bad there is no top box option for this bike, when on longer trips the extra storage space is beneficial especially if you are riding 2 up.
Me too. Plenty of power, not bad looking, nice colour (the blue) and factory fit panniers. If Suzuki had put cornering traction and ABS on it I think I’d have bought one.
Nice review but I do believe that everything is a personal preference and how do you feel the bike. For example I have Honda CB500X. I wanted to get an Africa Twin and really thought that this will be the best bike form. And surprise, surprise….when I went to test it I realized that AT is so big and heavy for me. Just try the bikes.
Absolutely. Always try and make your own opinion. That's my mantra since about 30 years and more different motorcycles. It's a matter of personal preferences and feeling, not only pictures and technical specs.
Great review; seems to be totally in line with all the single and comparison reviews I've seen from other sources. Both brands are heads and shoulders above all others in long term reliability. I'd of coourse have to test ride both. On paper alone I'd have to go with the Yamaha and it's legendary triple motor.
Good review. I have watched a couple of reviews on these bikes, and it occured to me, that the engine specs on the Honda, are nearly identical to the two Honda ST 1100's i own . 101 Horsepower, 100+ nm of torque. Although, i am sure the seat of the pants fel would be different, since the ST is a V-4, and i love the Honda V-4 bikes, and have owned one of the first generation V-65 ( 1100 cc ) units as well. I like the looks of the NT best, but, i am old and kinda traditional :)
For me personally, I would chose the Honda NT1100 as I looks like a proper tourer as the tracer 9gt just looks so ugly and needs a bigger and better screen with proper headlights of old fazers.
Yamaha better for the sporting oriented the Honda in my view better for the long distance touring oriented . Two very different bikes in my view. ( 72 years old, motorcycle dealer for 43 years, riding motorcycles for 58 years)
Interesting test. I had ignored the NT100 as being too much the sensible tourer, focusing on the T9GT and Suzuki GT1000 for a more exciting option. I'm not sure you've changed my mind. I tested the T9GT yesterday and liked it - quick enough, light handling and comfortable. I'm waiting on a test of the Suzuki to finalise my choice. Thanks for the test!
@@mickrick84 From what I understand the Kawasaki 1000SX can have either the top box or the side bags however not both due to weight concerns, perhaps that has changed for 2022?
Really nice video. Honda wins, based on comments though. I have ‘98 Valkerie, but I’m only 5’9” and I weigh 130. At 60, it can be a little bulky, so my son will probably get it. I’m checking out smaller tour bikes, gotta have my bags !! Thanks for the awesome video!!
@@heltonvampo6959 After 200 offroad(still racing enduro/over 60 class)and 200+ roadraces my wrist+fingers need a break(ha) so DCT is my future,waiting for the V-stom to catch up.
Great comparison but what really bugs me with these reviews is that no-one compares or reports on payload and pillion comfort which are two major factors on bikes such as these. Wayne.
The NT1100 is kinda like a baby GoldWing. Cruise control, DCT, fairing, good cruising range per tank. I currently ride a Yamaha Super Tenere, but it doesn't have CC. Other than that, it checks alot of boxes....👍😺
The Super Tenere is a great bike. I had a 2018 ES model, shaft drive and cruise control. After 43,500 kms, I decided to get another Africa Twin, this time a 2020 DCT model non adventure..I'm lovin' the DCT..as I'm older, and the arthritis in my hands is killing me, so a DCT does it for me. SHUMBA
I was waiting for the release of the Honda NT1100 thinking that might be my next bike however I'm now leaning more towards the Yamaha Tracer 9 GT. Both have pros and cons however ultimately the Tracer 9 GT sounds like it will be more fun to ride especially when you crank the throttle.
Most riders are not able to shift gears better than the DCT does. I'm riding a Honda X ADV and people with a manual gear box can't keep up until about 70km/h. But that's because it's only a 750cc. When I feel the need to ride a bit more bold, I simply overrule the selected gear by the flip of a switch. But I do understand the reluctancy towards DCT. The only thing I can say is to test ride it in one of its sports modes. Thank me later 😉
@@BrechtGijbels I can see the advantage of a DCT if you are commuting in traffic however once out on the open road i really don't think that operating a clutch is that onerous when shifting gears. In fact I find it contributes to a more engaging ride. If performance is a concern, most new bikes are equipped with a quick shifter. No argument from me that a DCT can shift quicker than a manual gear box.
@@BrechtGijbels I hated my crf1100 dct,never in the gear i wanted..But you are correct,make a test ride..also slow speed test ride,because then it is at his worst...
Always puzzles me why reveiwers slate DCT for being smooth and economical. If you want to braaap put it into manual mode!!!! one click of one button and tiptronic !!
At last, a sensible comment. I am totally miffed as to why they describe the Kawasaki H2 as the opposition. The Versys thou is the benchmark bike in this sector.....
I'm considering these two for my next bike. I'm old and slow so any bike with 100 hp is fine with me. I'm disappointed that the Honda doesn't have an IMU system because I've heard they work very well and provide added safety. My choice will come down to a test ride and fun factor.
How do the revs at highway speed compare? I live in western USA and 80 mph is typical. I would like to down size from my full size KTM 1290 but I love the way it can lope along at fairly low revs
I recently sold my second FJR 1300, which I would consider replacing with the Tracer. I would pass on the NT only because I have my Goldwing for fast comfy touring, so I still give some allegiance to Honda! I would easily enjoy both of the bikes in this vid as my body now prefers a bit more upright positioning.
@@sonics747 The Honda Cub would actually be my first choice of stable mates for the Wing! Total opposite end of the spectrum and a blast to zip around on, not to mention the 3,759 mpg (or whatever it gets!) I never felt the FJR was too wide for anything I attempted but I also was cautious about lane splitting as people are soooooooo unpredictable. But, yeah, by the time I could say my intended speed out loud I was already there! What a wonderful machine. I was pining fr a Porsche for years and almost pulled the trigger several times, but the day I rode my first Wing (the one I bought) I have not once even considered the Porsche again. This bike fulfills all the things I wanted, doesn't cost $3k to tune up, AND I still get to pay $350 for a tire! Best of bth worlds.
No mention of build quality? I find that makes a big difference in the long run and it's never been Yamaha's strong point. PS That Yamaha looks like it's been in a crash, but nope that's 'styling'.
Interesting review - but what the heck does "lairy" (sp??) mean? FWIW, I think that both bikes are fugly - I find the "transformer" look absolutely repellant.
I have to say it’s not the greatest piece of content ever. The two bikes offer very different things and if you fancied one of them the other is unlikely to be on your short list I suspect. I guess the presenter is new but trying to get away from a script will give a much more natural, human commentary. Equally don’t be afraid to re-record those inevitable goofs like ‘monobloc rear swing arm’ I think it was.
Admittedly I'm yet to see an NT in the flesh. I'd take the Yam for the engine (of course), the optional heated seat (I've seen no mention of one for the NT?) and possibly the larger panniers. But from photos/videos at least I'd take the NT - better wind protection, better dash and better pillion provision. Not sure if I'd go DCT or quickshifter though. Ultimately I need to try both first; if you could have the best bits from both you'd have an incredible bike! 👌
tracer 9gt to nie ta liga co nt1100. Tracer to kolejny fun bike z doczepionymi kuframi i dołożoną wyższą szybą. Wygląda młodzieżowo, jest mały i lekki a ktoś na siłę robi z niego turystę, co powoduje że w niczym nie jest bardzo dobry. NT 1100 to motocykl z wzorową ergonomią i najlepszą w klasie aerodynamiką, jest świetny gdy potrzebujesz komfortu, w tej cenie nie ma konkurencji. Ma silnik z charakterem, świetny dźwięk, jest ekonomiczny - to ściśle ukierunkowany podróżnik średniego zasięgu, bez konkurencji ja ten czas
I would go for 9GT but I find it odd that its price fully loaded is more than BMW F 750 GS (in The Netherlands). Aren't Japanese supposed to be cheaper? Anyway I went for the BMW.
I dont think its comparable, NT1100 seems to be slow similar to AT which barely beats CP2 Tenere within street legal speeds, so cp3 should beat it anytime anywhere and then there is suzuki and kawasaki. I think Honda has just created modern&bigger denauville, but overall its quite boring bike in my opinion.
It will interesting to find out which one is more comfortable for a passerger, they are touring machine after all, right? Oh, did I mention the Honda quality and finish are second to none?
I really don't understand why you would do a comparison between a DCT and a normal bike. What a waste of time. The person who wants DCT will buy DCT - Duh!
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NT for those over 50. Tracer 9GT for the rest. 😄
Since I was 50 I've had a GSXR1000k6, 2 x ZZR1400s, a GSX-S1000F, a BMW S1000XR, oh OK, and for a few months in 2019 a BMW R1200R 🤣.
@@stephenbarrett9881 You're the exception! Sounds great!
@@stephenbarrett9881LOL, absolutely great 👍
Wolud agree. Somehow Honda feels very mature. Still would go for Yamaha. Maybe it is just me. Can check my content.
Hey, I'm over 50 and the GT would be an easy call for me. Maybe shift that up to over 65 I think.
Both bikes are amazing. They're different approaches. Honda nt = much more comfort and wind protection, what makes it ideal for long distances in the motorway. Yamaha tracer= sportier engine (more fun) and better suspensions, so it is better for short distances and twisty roads. Difficult choice, but both awesome.
I don't understand why you're mentioning the 200bhp 15grand plus H2SX instead of the Ninja 1000sx which is the real competition here.
The real competition is the Versys 1000.
@@lovelessissimo and the winner.
Styling is subjective. Personally, I cannot stand twin headlights and only one works. Visually, it just looks like one side has a bulb out.
Living in a colder climate which can shorten the riding season, I find the more wind protection, the better. My FJR1300 with a Vstream windscreen does a great job. I would like a lighter bike but find it hard to compromise on wind protection and comfort. I'd go with the Honda in this case.
Same here. I have an FJR and love the electronic wind screen. When it is cold or rainy the FJR really does a great job of keeping the elements off. If I had one major gripe against the tracer it is wind protection.
I have the previous gen of the tracer 900 (a 2017 fj09) and buffeting is atrocious. I fitted a madstad and its better but still annoying. How can one tour with this problem? If you use it to commute it is not fun either. I feel it heats up quickly, etc. I hope the nt 1100 comes to Canada so I test it out.
The Honda strikes in this point.
I made a test ride, and it was a bit warmer than the days before. I didn't bother about this because I have plenty of ventilation on my gear. But it barely work on the NT because of the wind protection.
Yup. I’m a Honda st1300 rider. Similar to the fjr. I love my st1300 electric windshield! Spoiled me. I care about wind, luggage, and the length between seat and foot leg. I’m long legged . I hate cramped knees. Then I care about extras.... I really like a bmw or ktm 1290 style bike if it was Honda reliable and had electric windshield
i love mine fjr
My brother has a tracer GT, absolutely loves it period it is all around awesome motorcycle!
I have purchased NT1100 manual @43 years old still trying to keep under my control. Honda is more stylish(relatively), quality and reliable. Yamaha has always more agressive drive if compare to others which i am not looking for. My target is been faster from the most cars in trafic not from the other motorcycles which Honda gives.
I am 55 and live in Australia. You want to Tour here. The Nullabor (east to west, Melbourne to Perth) 5500 km. From Vic to far north Queensland (where I live Melbourne to Cairns) 3,200km. NT1100 all day. Comfort over distance with plenty of stability and power. Tracer is a great bike but it is not the tourer that the Honda is!
I’m 51 in Brisbane riding a cb500x and wanting to upgrade. I love spirited riding in the twisties and only go for very long rides every so often. Would you take the Tracer over the NT?
@@mtallan EVERY SECOND
As mentioned below, the DCT on the Honda is adjustable !! If it’s ‘chugging in lower revs’ then you must be in D or S1 mode ! Just stick it in S2 or S3 and it won’t chug at all !!! The DCT is fabulous but only if you know how to change its modes.
so great to see the sport tourer category being invested in again..... way to many ADV bikes out there
And most of those
ADV bikes never see any serious off road.
I have had bikes from both makers and have no distinct loyalties. Between these two exceptional bikes I would choose the Yamaha 👍
A lot of reviewers dog the DTC but they never setup a full power sport mode and then do a zero to sixty time with it. If they did, they would realize that the DTC would put accelerate most bikes in the class. A properly setup sport shifting automatic will be faster than a manual shift.
As a bike tester ? you would think he could manage to change the settings to sport. What a waste of time.
@@MrBottomrung I purchased a 2015 Honda NM4 with a DTC just out of curiosity. In sport mode that 745 cc engine out pulled my 2017 Africa Twin manual transmission in a 0 to 60 on-ramp run. It sold me on the DTC as a viable option. My Africa was destroyed in an accident in November. I just put money down on a 2021 Africa Twin Adventure Sport DTC. I opted for the DTC due to injuries caused by the crash. I’m excited to see what that bike can do.
@@zyonsdream you will enjoy.
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How many times do you change gear in a 0-60?? my GSX650f will do over 55 in first gear and it's a fat old tub of a bike!!
How about a shout out for the footage. You guys did these bikes right. They BOTH look awesome- fun, capable, poised. The cool factor went up for me, esp for the Honda. Nice job!
Can we agree that the DCT is a game changer alone?
Not remotely interested in either motorcycle. I’m just here for some good motorcycle content and you sir did not disappoint👏
This is so true. Never dissapoint. Can check my content.
So strange that most casual "reviewers" of the DCT never mention that the DCT has sport and manual modes. I NEVER ride my Africa Twin in D mode and the DCT can be ridden aggressively if you set it in one of the four sport modes or manual mode and go through the gears using the thumb shifters.
I'm riding a Honda X ADV 2019 and I have to agree. I nearly always ride it in sports mode S2 as it gives the bike a bit more agressive throttle response. And sometimes I simply overrule the selected gear with the flick of a switch. Usually, when I need instant power, I just shift one or two gears down. After that the Honda is off to the races and shifts gears back up automatically when the time comes. Don't see myself going back to non DCT to be honest. I'm just too much spoiled I guess.
It feels like reviewers purposely run these things in proverbial rain modes and then complain that they're slow and boring. It's seriously aggravating. Honda's mistake is having any review bikes fitted with DCTs, they should just supply manual gearbox bikes with quickshifters.
Of course, that's functionally exactly the same as a DCT bike in manual mode, but reviewers are either too dense or malevolent to draw that conclusion themselves.
Excuse my ignorance but how do you manage low speed turns, tight car parks etc., without clutch control?
@@peril1954 rear brake control
sorry, the Tracer looks like a cobbled together mess in terms of styling. Sure, it looks a little more aggressive...the presenter said it best when he compared it to a Transformer...but aggressive doesn't always work in this category. The NT is much more sophisticated and classy looking....like the designers actually spent more that 5 minutes pulling together the bikes aesthetic.
I’d say the Honda looks bland;) Tracer for me.
I had the opportunity to test the NT1100 with dct a week ago. I didn´t have that great expectations honesly. But it was a positive surprise! Really easy to ride, comfortable and with a windscreen that actually do the job, it was hands down the most comfortable bike that I have tested. If I would look for a touring bike this would be my choice. With dct? Perhaps. The dct gearbox was smooth and flawless. But I am really a manual dude on both 2 and 4 wheels.
I'm sorry to say that while the dash is better (well, fancier) on the Honda, that's the only winning factor over the Yamaha for me. Having owned 5 Hondas, a Suzuki and now the Tracer 9 GT, from a rider's perspective, the Yamaha is almost perfection. It is comfortable, the screen causes me no issues and the handling/rideability is second to none (in my experience). Performance wise it is phenomenal, mode 1 turning it into a hooligan machine, and fuel wise I've had 230 miles out of a tank (Tesco Momentum) with miles to spare. Looks-wise it is exciting too.
By comparison the Honda is a bit... well... Honda... practical, reliable, but lacking charisma.
All that said, even in 3 years of ownership of other bikes I have never had as many issues as I have had with the Tracer in 5 months of ownership.
what issues do you speak of?
What has gone wrong with it, im looking at getting one myself
@@jaegerdunnick3587 New throttle bodies, injector bank, radiator, throttle sensor and two recalls... wouldn't buy a 2021 one. Hopefully newer ones ironed out the problems.
@@DaddyBiker_Reviews not a single issue on mine. 11k miles
Personally i think the NT is not ideal if you want a single bike. If you are in a position to buy a single, do everything bike, the Tracer is better.
I have a zx6r for my sport weekend rides / track duty and the NT for long motorway / touring journeys + daily commute.
Tracer 9 is clearly a sports tourer. The NT is Far comfier, roomier, more frugal on the gas, better protection but absolutely not as sporty or as capable when really pushing it.
I understand why people would WANT to compare the NT with the tracer, but they are built for different riders.
My opinion: long distances > definitely NT1100, shorter > Tracer. You have to change and compromise with a Tracer a lot more (seat comfort, windscreen, TFT - navi), NT has it all and you don't have to buy or change anything, but it's not a triple.
Do you think the Triumph is better then these two?
Standard seat on honda is way too hard for long distance. That being said comfort seat is super cheap.
0:32 NT1100 is not a sports tourer. It's just a full-on tourer.
Fail from the start. How can you call yourself motorcycle journalists without knowing basic nomenclature?
Sport tourer with 250 kg and 100bhp. Honda is in the wrong category here. NT is an adventure, tourer.. no comparison at all...
Tracer 9 GT all the way for me !
I'm not sure we can get the NT1100 here, we can get the Yamaha. Cheers from the Pacific West Coast of Canada.
Nicely done. The 9GT would be my choice but if I would get the NT as a gift I would also keep it in the garage. :) Thumb up.
Being of a certain age, (66) into comfortable long distance touring and lastly a long time Honda owner I'll go for the NT. I own a NC750xDCT (2021) which fits the bill for me at the moment. Weight was my primary influence. If the NT was around when I traded down from my 2016 Crosstourer Highlander DCT I would have been sorely tempted. The Crosstourer was just too top heavy and hard to push around. No mention was made of the quickshifter which is available on the NT and may have been a cheaper option to full on DCT.
The crosstourer felt like a fat pregnant hippo to me. Comfy on the german autobahn but scews up in the twisties.
Why are motorcycles are expensive or used cars cheap in Europe? I'd love to buy a new NC or NT, but in that price range there are millions of executive used car options if we're talking about comfort.
@@kozatas We're talking motorcycles! If you want to be wrapped up in a tin box then don't bother with a motorcycle forum!
@@kevinf-b5065 My question was "Why are motorcycles are expensive or used cars cheap in Europe?"
A proper response would be "I don't know".
@@kozatas try a grammar app and folks might be more able to understand your perspective. Just don't get what your point is. We are motorcyclists. If I wanted a car I'd comment on a car review
The NT feels way more thought out for touring. The tracer feels like it doesn't know what it wants to do
I think the 'sports tourer' category is a bit like that though, they're neither true tourers nor true sports bikes and these two have slightly different philosophies
@@gummball I think you've kinda nailed it. And honestly it's always been that way. Honda makes sportish touring bikes and the other Japanese brands make modified sports bikes that *can* also tour. It's kinda always been that way. Personally, I'm a big dude with a bad back who just wants something reliable for all-year riding so I'm gonna pick the Honda nine times of ten. But if you want something that's sporty but will also do the daily commute and some long distance stuff too, the T9 or even something sportier like the offerings from Kawasaki or Suzuki, there's just so much good stuff out there. Frankly if Honda would bring back the ST line-up we'd all be spoiled for choice.
My understanding from your video is that if you favor the « sport » in sport-touring, you go for the Tracer and if you favor the « touring » of sport-touring, you go for the NT?
Finally, and thank you for the comparison test. Both really accomplished, a hard decision. Might've been slightly different with a manual NT with a quick-shifter. Next up, though, MUST be the T9GT vs. S1000GT. How lucky are we to have these incredible choices.
Or use the NTs manual shift mode and use the shift buttons.
@@jimporter Had given this some thought as the time gets closer to having an NT in the US. I still think the quick shifter is a better choice for me. Lighter, less complex, less cost, and - from what I understand - still more responsive overall to manual shifts. But...I can think of a few situations where the DCT would be very handy.
I'd be concerned with long-term reliability. I have a Yamaha FJ-09 ( love it) but after 21k miles I started having issues. So for me, I think Honda has a better reputation for reliability and my next ride will be based on reliability. Although that triple is awesome.
maybe because of your riding style and taking care of the bike
What issues?
I'm at 70,000 miles on my 2015 FJ-09. Other than replacing tires and chains, oh and a radiator but that was because I hit a javelina, no real issues. I guess the button broke off the ride mode selector, and the plastic behind the windscreen cracked, and I am just now replacing the clutch cable, and the battery went out last year...but it has been super reliable for me.
Imagine talking about reliabiliy on Yamaha . this is not KTM with cam shaft isu
No way I can afford these bikes. Looks like Im sticking with my FZ6. Id love that Tracer. You guys make awesome videos.
Got the last year '09 bought new. Tooth up on the countershaft sprocket and it's a rocket. Still punches way above its weight in the mid class. Mine otherwise all stock out pulls a buddy's '02 R6. Center Stand! Actual wind protection. Ride's a bit stiff but there's no wallow in the sweepers. Finally treated the bike with some Pilot 4/5 combo and it tracks like crazy in ice cold temps. 22k miles. Wouldn't be surprised in the least if our 11.33 quarter mile time beats these two over tech'd, priced, weight tour bags.
@@kd350 I really like mine. I have bags coming for it. I love the wind protection and sound. I have a scorpion slip on and it sounds amazing. I think I want an FZ1. But if I can Ill keep this bike forever.
@@westondifranco9313 Yeah, bought a Z1000 when they came out in '03. Have 12 bikes so it's not an either/or situation for me. 10.6 in the quarter, better looks, and didn't need a redundant FZ (though the FZ came later).
I ordered the NT1100. With DCT and the big adventure package.
I'd take the NT1100 for a number of reasons. First, it's nowhere near as fugly as the 9 GT. Second, it's Honda quality. Third, the Honda exhaust sounds so much better. Fourth, the Honda looks so much more comfortable and passenger friendly.
Of the bikes I've owned, the three Yamahas were the most reliable. Both Hondas has electrical issues, so even though their fit and finish is good, in my experience Hondas are not super reliable. The worst of course by a country mile was a 2015 Multistrada which was a total POS.
Honda the best it will never broke down for ten years very good for travel around the world
Shaft drive please
Slightly odd comparisons here. These are middleweight ‘adventure tourers’. T9GT, F900XR, Versys 1000, Honda C-whatever it is. Relatively upright riding position, panniers and around 110bhp or so. The Suzuki GSX1000GT is very much a sports tourer, in the same bracket as the R1250RS, 1290SDGT, Z1000SX, H2SX. Sportier, riding position more forward, pegs higher and 130bhp (ish) plus. Still able to take pillion and factory panniers.
I really like the looks of the GSX1000GT, also it definitely is not deficient in horsepower. To bad there is no top box option for this bike, when on longer trips the extra storage space is beneficial especially if you are riding 2 up.
Me too. Plenty of power, not bad looking, nice colour (the blue) and factory fit panniers. If Suzuki had put cornering traction and ABS on it I think I’d have bought one.
I wish they would make the tourers with either shaft, or belt drives. I hate having to lube, clean, and tighten the chains on long trips.
I love belts with drive shaft next.
Nice review but I do believe that everything is a personal preference and how do you feel the bike. For example I have Honda CB500X. I wanted to get an Africa Twin and really thought that this will be the best bike form. And surprise, surprise….when I went to test it I realized that AT is so big and heavy for me. Just try the bikes.
Absolutely. Always try and make your own opinion. That's my mantra since about 30 years and more different motorcycles. It's a matter of personal preferences and feeling, not only pictures and technical specs.
AT too big and heavy? I'm 74, weigh 150lb and ride a KTM 1290 SAS. Do you need to do weights or testosterone?
Totally agree MP. I too changed my mind after sitting on one. Way too big and bulky. For me the Kawasaki Versys thou was a far better bet....
@@BibtheBoulder AT is a big bike for me but I still like it 😁😁😁
Cant the nt dct settings be changed to sport like africa twin, so its a bit more aggresive?
Just can't unsee the "scuba goggle" instrument display on the Yamaha...
yeah the tracers dash is horrible, what were they thinking?
I've got kids so I see Wall-E 😛
Groucho Marx in scuba goggles 😂😂🤣🤣
Great review; seems to be totally in line with all the single and comparison reviews I've seen from other sources. Both brands are heads and shoulders above all others in long term reliability. I'd of coourse have to test ride both. On paper alone I'd have to go with the Yamaha and it's legendary triple motor.
Great job comparing these bike!
Good review. I have watched a couple of reviews on these bikes, and it occured to me, that the engine specs on the Honda, are nearly identical to the two Honda ST 1100's i own . 101 Horsepower, 100+ nm of torque. Although, i am sure the seat of the pants fel would be different, since the ST is a V-4, and i love the Honda V-4 bikes, and have owned one of the first generation V-65 ( 1100 cc ) units as well. I like the looks of the NT best, but, i am old and kinda traditional :)
For me personally, I would chose the Honda NT1100 as I looks like a proper tourer as the tracer 9gt just looks so ugly and needs a bigger and better screen with proper headlights of old fazers.
NT1100 looks like a bland bike to me. Probably make a good ambulance or police bike😂
Not an actual head to head test at all. Just a rehash of your previous tests, recycling old material. Honestly, do better.
My love nt1100
Yamaha better for the sporting oriented the Honda in my view better for the long distance touring oriented . Two very different bikes in my view. ( 72 years old, motorcycle dealer for 43 years, riding motorcycles for 58 years)
Interesting test. I had ignored the NT100 as being too much the sensible tourer, focusing on the T9GT and Suzuki GT1000 for a more exciting option. I'm not sure you've changed my mind. I tested the T9GT yesterday and liked it - quick enough, light handling and comfortable. I'm waiting on a test of the Suzuki to finalise my choice. Thanks for the test!
Perfectly agree. Suzuki will be the one to go or not to go. We will see. Sure.
One consideration with the Suzuki is the lack of a top box option.
@@dougengland7943 this could really be a game changer.. but what about the fantastic kawasaki 1000SX as a touring bike?
@@mickrick84 From what I understand the Kawasaki 1000SX can have either the top box or the side bags however not both due to weight concerns, perhaps that has changed for 2022?
Notice it’s not really a comparison. He has ridden both but not together and not on the same roads.
Really nice video. Honda wins, based on comments though. I have ‘98 Valkerie, but I’m only 5’9” and I weigh 130. At 60, it can be a little bulky, so my son will probably get it. I’m checking out smaller tour bikes, gotta have my bags !! Thanks for the awesome video!!
Just buy a v strom 1000 /1050 , and spend the 3k saved on a big trip .. 😀
Very good bike but the DCT is only available on the Honda.
If you use the bike for long trips then you will not need clutch so much so dct is useless...plus u dont like it at all
V strom is boring... underneath all those plastics and electronics, it's the same platform from 20 years ago.
@@tootingcarmoon532 maybe just like the gs is like 40 years ago , evolution 🤔
@@heltonvampo6959 After 200 offroad(still racing enduro/over 60 class)and 200+ roadraces my wrist+fingers need a break(ha) so DCT is my future,waiting for the V-stom to catch up.
I have a 2022 Tracer and it is amazing! 💯🔥
For once Honda is not miles more expensive. Quality of finish & style would make the Honda a winner for me... But not with the DCT.
I think it's crying out for a manual/quick-shifter setup. More character, more engagement, more fun.
What criteria do you need to have to become a bike reviewer? I keep thinking that lately.
Why? You plan to become a bike reviewer?
Great comparison but what really bugs me with these reviews is that no-one compares or reports on payload and pillion comfort which are two major factors on bikes such as these.
Wayne.
No comparison.. please... Honda all the way...
Judging I own the Tracer 9GT, it’s my winner. Love everything that the bike brings! Enjoyed the review…
The NT1100 is kinda like a baby GoldWing. Cruise control, DCT, fairing, good cruising range per tank. I currently ride a Yamaha Super Tenere, but it doesn't have CC. Other than that, it checks alot of boxes....👍😺
The Super Tenere is a great bike.
I had a 2018 ES model, shaft drive and cruise control.
After 43,500 kms, I decided to get another Africa Twin, this time a 2020 DCT model non adventure..I'm lovin' the DCT..as I'm older, and the arthritis in my hands is killing me, so a DCT does it for me.
SHUMBA
I was waiting for the release of the Honda NT1100 thinking that might be my next bike however I'm now leaning more towards the Yamaha Tracer 9 GT. Both have pros and cons however ultimately the Tracer 9 GT sounds like it will be more fun to ride especially when you crank the throttle.
Most riders are not able to shift gears better than the DCT does. I'm riding a Honda X ADV and people with a manual gear box can't keep up until about 70km/h. But that's because it's only a 750cc. When I feel the need to ride a bit more bold, I simply overrule the selected gear by the flip of a switch. But I do understand the reluctancy towards DCT. The only thing I can say is to test ride it in one of its sports modes. Thank me later 😉
@@BrechtGijbels I can see the advantage of a DCT if you are commuting in traffic however once out on the open road i really don't think that operating a clutch is that onerous when shifting gears. In fact I find it contributes to a more engaging ride. If performance is a concern, most new bikes are equipped with a quick shifter. No argument from me that a DCT can shift quicker than a manual gear box.
@@BrechtGijbels I hated my crf1100 dct,never in the gear i wanted..But you are correct,make a test ride..also slow speed test ride,because then it is at his worst...
Always puzzles me why reveiwers slate DCT for being smooth and economical. If you want to braaap put it into manual mode!!!! one click of one button and tiptronic !!
Versys 1000 SE for the win. 😁
At last, a sensible comment. I am totally miffed as to why they describe the Kawasaki H2 as the opposition. The Versys thou is the benchmark bike in this sector.....
A very detailed and eloquent review.
I'm considering these two for my next bike. I'm old and slow so any bike with 100 hp is fine with me. I'm disappointed that the Honda doesn't have an IMU system because I've heard they work very well and provide added safety. My choice will come down to a test ride and fun factor.
excellent review, both great bikes can't go wrong with either
Couldn't agree more!
How do the revs at highway speed compare? I live in western USA and 80 mph is typical.
I would like to down size from my full size KTM 1290 but I love the way it can lope along at fairly low revs
Would like to know when the states gonna get it?
I would love to see one of this two rewiewd against the Kawasaki Versys 1000
I recently sold my second FJR 1300, which I would consider replacing with the Tracer. I would pass on the NT only because I have my Goldwing for fast comfy touring, so I still give some allegiance to Honda! I would easily enjoy both of the bikes in this vid as my body now prefers a bit more upright positioning.
@@sonics747 The Honda Cub would actually be my first choice of stable mates for the Wing! Total opposite end of the spectrum and a blast to zip around on, not to mention the 3,759 mpg (or whatever it gets!) I never felt the FJR was too wide for anything I attempted but I also was cautious about lane splitting as people are soooooooo unpredictable. But, yeah, by the time I could say my intended speed out loud I was already there! What a wonderful machine. I was pining fr a Porsche for years and almost pulled the trigger several times, but the day I rode my first Wing (the one I bought) I have not once even considered the Porsche again. This bike fulfills all the things I wanted, doesn't cost $3k to tune up, AND I still get to pay $350 for a tire! Best of bth worlds.
Wouldn't the Versys 1000 be more of a competitor for these bikes?
Honda NT 1100 all the way.👍
Why you compare a touring bike with a sport touring bike? the only reasolble comparison for the Tracer 9GT is Ducati V2 S, BMW F900 XR
It’s the Honda
for me I’m a Goldwing rider over 50
My choice is Honda
What’s best for wind protection, rider and passenger rider comfort?
NT hands down
Honda doesn't sell the NT1100 in the USA so Tracer 9 GT wins by default for me although I'd really prefer the Honda.
Nice video, I like it. I am a HONDA fun (CBF 600) (CIVIC 5D, 145HP) and now my Tracer 9GT is on the way coming.
How is wind noise behind the screens in comparison? THX!
If Honda had made the NT a shaft drive they would be onto a winner imho.
The tracer problem is the footpegs are behind like a racebike. Hence you get leg cramps and back pain Its a MAJOR BAD DESIGN ERROR
No mention of build quality? I find that makes a big difference in the long run and it's never been Yamaha's strong point.
PS That Yamaha looks like it's been in a crash, but nope that's 'styling'.
Great comparison! Thanks for it.
honda have all what I need now... I want buy it thx for video:)
Interesting review - but what the heck does "lairy" (sp??) mean? FWIW, I think that both bikes are fugly - I find the "transformer" look absolutely repellant.
I have to say it’s not the greatest piece of content ever. The two bikes offer very different things and if you fancied one of them the other is unlikely to be on your short list I suspect.
I guess the presenter is new but trying to get away from a script will give a much more natural, human commentary. Equally don’t be afraid to re-record those inevitable goofs like ‘monobloc rear swing arm’ I think it was.
I did buy the Yamaha Tracer 9GT. I hope I like it over the long time. Now I drive a Yamaha FJR 1300 RP 23 that is a super bike.
Admittedly I'm yet to see an NT in the flesh. I'd take the Yam for the engine (of course), the optional heated seat (I've seen no mention of one for the NT?) and possibly the larger panniers. But from photos/videos at least I'd take the NT - better wind protection, better dash and better pillion provision. Not sure if I'd go DCT or quickshifter though. Ultimately I need to try both first; if you could have the best bits from both you'd have an incredible bike! 👌
Honda All The Way
Honda is Honda....I would choose Honda motors in front of any other motorcycle manufacturer.
tracer 9gt to nie ta liga co nt1100. Tracer to kolejny fun bike z doczepionymi kuframi i dołożoną wyższą szybą. Wygląda młodzieżowo, jest mały i lekki a ktoś na siłę robi z niego turystę, co powoduje że w niczym nie jest bardzo dobry. NT 1100 to motocykl z wzorową ergonomią i najlepszą w klasie aerodynamiką, jest świetny gdy potrzebujesz komfortu, w tej cenie nie ma konkurencji. Ma silnik z charakterem, świetny dźwięk, jest ekonomiczny - to ściśle ukierunkowany podróżnik średniego zasięgu, bez konkurencji ja ten czas
AWESOME VIDEO ! ! ! ! ! AMAZING ! ! ! ! FANTASTIC ! ! ! ! ! MAGICAL ! ! ! ! I LOVE IT ! ! ! ! ! ! !
Kawasaki Ninja 1000SX vs. Suzuki GSX-S 1000GT next
I would go for 9GT but I find it odd that its price fully loaded is more than BMW F 750 GS (in The Netherlands). Aren't Japanese supposed to be cheaper? Anyway I went for the BMW.
I had to go with the BMW 2022 1250 R/T it was this or the Goldwing....
Thank God I will buy one of each of them
Sorry the say that but,how can you compare different style and size motorcycle ? NT 1100 is a ride for all day long
is this true that integral helmet does not fit into side panner?
No what ever you say I'll always consider yamaha. Before watching this video.
Which is better for city traffic
I dont think its comparable, NT1100 seems to be slow similar to AT which barely beats CP2 Tenere within street legal speeds, so cp3 should beat it anytime anywhere and then there is suzuki and kawasaki. I think Honda has just created modern&bigger denauville, but overall its quite boring bike in my opinion.
How about price comparison?
It will interesting to find out which one is more comfortable for a passerger, they are touring machine after all, right?
Oh, did I mention the Honda quality and finish are second to none?
I really don't understand why you would do a comparison between a DCT and a normal bike. What a waste of time. The person who wants DCT will buy DCT - Duh!
Could you please test the Kawasaki 1000SX? Thank you!
I commute 700 miles each way to work. ( Not daily of course). If I can reach the ground on the Honda it's mine.