Ned Kelly: Hero or Villain? Following the trail of Australia's most FAMOUS OUTLAW
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- Опубликовано: 27 июл 2024
- Even today Ned Kelly remains such a divisive character. He's Australia's most notorious outlaw and a cultural icon. Was he a hero or a villain? I follow the Ned Kelly trail and go in search his story to unravel the truth behind Ned Kelly.
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I knew a guy whose grandfather was there when Kelly was shot dead. Deisals grandfather was not a friend of Kelly's but said Ned knew when they were coming to get him. Kelly warned his grandfather to get down and out the way. They said Kelly was often blamed for crimes he didn't commit. A scapegoat.
the sight of the Brush ranger dressed in his armour must have been like a devil to the police officers
I suspect Ned was one of those blokes you would be better off to avoid.If you went out drinking with him you would probably end up in a fight, locked up for the night or facing a court appearance.Having said that, he stood up for himself.He was not willing to take shit from anybody and I admire, even respect him, for fighting back.
A royal commission was set up following the "Kelly outbreak" and the finding caused laws to be changed.We enjoy freedoms today which we owe to the Kelly Gang.So yeah, I believe he deserves his prominent position in Australian folklore.
Ned Kelly he was a hero and a legend
Great docuvideo. Thank you!
Ned saved a drowning boy and was awarded a green sash for his bravery.
Excellent story of the Kelly gang, ❤️
I recently visited Glenrowan ( Dec 2023).
It was on my bucket list and i was not disappointed.
An amazing, interesting, poignant, emotional and moving place to visit.
I was emotionally affected for days 🇦🇺.
Ned's initial 3 month stretch in jail was a completely unjust, his crime was to help a hawker out of a bog and to feed and rest his horses, that's all he had done, but then he was accused of working a horse belonging to another hawker to pull the hawkers wagon from the bog, Ned clamed this was not true and that that particular horse had run of with a group of wild horses which he knew, and he knew the track they liked to run,
Ned was given 3 months jail for hitting McCormach in the face which was an accident caused by Mrs McCormack after Ned lost balance when she whipped Ned's horse.
The police at the time acted in a very unreasonable manner and did not seem interested in Ned's version of the events.
there still seems to be plenty of anti Kelly sentiment out there and they will keep writing false history to obscure what really happened but as the old saying goes" you can fool some of the people some of the time but you can't fool all of the people all of the time".
Really enjoying your channel and Australian History explanations. I've always wondered about Ned Kelly, but never had the chance/time to look into his story. You've just caught me up! And with including actual visual historical locations that i can now remember in association with the Ned Kelly story. Really appreciate your sharing this with everyone. I'm going to get my kids to watch your channel now too 👍 I know they will get more out of it than if sitting in a classroom and perhaps even now want to visit these locations in their futures.
Looking at the Polllies we have in Canberra there are probably more thieves there!😊
I am really enjoying your videos, thank you. We have done the Ned Kelly Trial twice and I can see that it is improving over the years which is a good thing . I think Ned was victimised and was a loving son and a good soul. Left alone he would have been a normal citizen for his time, but as you said in your video, “he was pushed into crime”. They were unfair and treated him and his family unjustly and I think the Police Force (not all of them of course) at the time did not really have the skills and common sense that were required to undertake their job lawfully. At times they seemed like the criminals to me. Edward Kelly in my opinion would have been a nice guy and I do have admiration for him and I feel sorry for him that he could not lead a normal healthy life and that his was, cut short due to his unfortunate circumstances. At one stage there in the early 1800’s Australia had the highest hanging record in the world. If you stepped out of line, you were hung.
That was very enjoyable. Thank you
I’ve read hundreds of hours about the Kelly’s, lives, and my opinion is just as you summed up, he was pushed into a life of crime my the corrupt police of the time, that doesn’t excuse him for his actions, but explains why he went down that path.
Your video is possibly one of the best short stories of Ned Kelly I’ve seen, to the point, showing both sides. Well done Terry.
Thanks so much. Yes he’s a complex character and we’ll never really know what it was like to walk in his shoes.
If you claim the police were corrupt, perhaps you could provide some evidence to support your view. I don't believe you could find any evidence of corrupt police in NE Victoria other than pro Kelly authors who made up the false allegation of corrupt police.
The Royal commission held in 1881 into Victoria police, which was essentially anti-police, did not find any corruption within the police in NE Victoria. In that entire document the word corrupt is not used once, in any question, answer or recommendation. I would suggest you are following fictitious writings by pro Kelly authors, rather than following well established facts, that have been exposed by professional historians.
When Ned Kelly was a youth and charged with armed robbery alongside Harry Power, he was found a job by a police sergeant and was given money to go home and to go to the job. He refused the job and continued a life of crime, and did not repay the money as he promised.
I will be very interested to read about the corruption, that you state turned Kelly into a criminal.
@@bradwilliams7212 Royal Commission fkwit.Numerous traps had new ones torn. Initial findings were honest and fair.....you know it.
@@bradwilliams7212 The totally fabricated fiction from 'BradWilliams' is just more lying behaviour from him. Please look at what I have researched from the archives & from historical eyewitness accounts. Even from ex police officers who's conscience obviously got the better of them. Williams once again talks fairy tales & fortunately 99% of readers are fully aware of his vitriolic distortions of history bordering on psychotic.
@@bradwilliams7212 The fact is a Royal Commission into the 'affair' was conducted in early 1881 & resulted in the recommended sacking of two police Superintendents, a police inspector was forcibly retired & several other officers reduced in rank. It was due to the wealthy members of the notorious Melbourne Club & the rich landowners that persuaded the police Commissioner to ignore the recommendations of the Royal Commission. The charge of attempted murder of constable Fitzpatrick by Ned & his brother Dan was found to be false. Fitzpatrick was later dismissed from the police force on several counts & that he 'could not be trusted out of sight & never did his duty'. The police in the bush were notorious for corruption & lagging innocent men for monetary reward from rich land owners who lost livestock. Any man would do so long as the police got their reward. Many innocent people spent years locked up in hell holes while the police conducted themselves like tyrants - which was also raised in the Royal Commission & was one of Ned's grievances. Just look at the police shooting peaceful innocent protesters in Victoria recently & the brutal way they conducted themselves. Nothing has changed in Victoria. I had the privilege of speaking with Ern Straughair from Benalla in 1991. This man knew Jim Kelly, Ned's brother. He told me that during the police stakeout on the Kelly homestead, Kate Kelly was raped by the police when she went for a horse ride. She was 15. She went to Melbourne for a 'holiday' (abortion) & at 35, committed suicide due to the trauma.
Johnny Jones and Martin Sherry may say the police at the shootout were the villains (also the others who were injured by police bullets) as they clearly didn't care who got shot. Fitzpatrick should have been arrested for the earlier assault, just read she was only 14 years old too, disgusting.
In a way those police were acting like a gang themselves, lots of wrong doing on both sides but its hard not to point the finger at the ones who started it. I feel that is why Ned Kelly is remembered more as a hero than a villain due to the terrible situation of the time.
Head of household at 12 during adverse times = HERO
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He NOT ONLY stuck up for himself, he was sticking up for his family, friends, the town, the STATE and Australia of the day
HERO
Police, get back in your box
England, no longer tied to Australia since 1987
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Terrific video
Thanks so much 😀
It's astounding Terry that with all the money and tourism Ned brings in that the groud of the Last Stand is an unmarked grassy piece of land. Big missed opportunities
Great job, from your apprentice cameraman at stringybark creek
Thanks so much for the help 😊
Ned was a hero standing up to the corrupt government.
Enjoyed your presentation. Well done, thanks . What happened to the money/gold from the two bank jobs?
I believe they were running short of supplies before the bank jobs so some would have gone to that. The rest?
An irish rebel with a problem against english law, what could go wrong . fact is he was a normal joe who was pushed to far . eye for an eye was them or the gang so why not take a few with you . for sure they were going to shoot first and ask ned questions later as they did to others .
RUBBISH COMMENT. 82% of the police were IRISH. Two of the early premiers in Victoria were IRISH. Ned Kelly chose a life of crime. He was pushed nowhere.
If you claim otherwise, show us your evidence?
Your comment regarding 'shoot first' is made up fiction. Can you explain then why the police party had two sets of handcuffs to secure their prisoners?
Ned Kelly was NOT an Irish rebel. He was born in Australia and always stated he was Australian. So who was he pushed too far by? 82% of the police were Irish, so who was being pushed?
Then, can you explain why the police party had two sets of handcuffs with them to secure their prisoners?
You have been reading far too much fiction written by pro-Kelly authors.
🌞There's a guy in my neighbourhood who looks like a descendant
Poor Ned Kelly.
Let’s remember the Police at the time where all mainly anti Irish (and to be qualified as a policeman you just had to ask and apply) especially the ones with high rank, yes Ned was a rebel turned killer because he was going to be killed, the whole system is to blame not just Ned.
To ALL he is THE HERO
Only ignoramuses deny it
Great video - very entertaining.
Ned Kelly was no hero, he was a product of circumstances, as he lived in hard times on an Irish catholic selection surrounded by poverty, land taxes, socio-religious prejudice and ever increasing droughts while watching the protestant landed gentry squatters profit and gain land and stock with the protection of the police and government.
To survive 'many people' in North West Victoria during the 1870's were forced into stock theft and the Kelly family were constantly watched suspects. The suspicions grew so much that on one occasion Constable Edward Hall saw the young Ned Kelly on a horse in Greta and believing the horse to be stolen assaulted Ned. A fight ensued in which Constable Hall raised his gun and pulled the trigger three times at the young sixteen year old! Luckily the revolver misfired. But what does that do to the psychology of a young man? Ned received stitches from a brutal pistol whipping by Constable Hall who then proceeded to commit perjury to gain Kelly’s conviction.
I would suggest that experiences like this, maketh the man!
The Kelly gang were ultimately driven into Bushranging by the Fitzpatrick affair and the Baumgarten stock theft claims.
It is important to note that the Kelly gang considered themselves 'at war' with the Constabulary and their actions being 'at war,' were therefore not a crime (in the legal sense, anyway). When at war, troops have rules of engagement that specify when and where they can shoot, bomb, kill etc. So long as they adhere to those rules of engagement, they are generally held harmless from prosecution.
The Kelly gang were also seen as symbols of resistance against the oppression and injustices faced during that time by hundreds of sympathisers, the North East Victorian 'Republic theory' reflects that Eureka Stockade mentality.
So i think it is fitting for the Kelly Outbreak to be considered an important part of Australian culture and continue to be debated.
Thanks for your considered thoughts 🙂
Let me address your mythological presentation.
1. If Ned Kelly was a victim of circumstances, please explain why 80% of the settlers who took up land made a go of it. In times of drought and fires etc. the government was generous in allowing settlers to recover before requiring them to pay their rent etc.
2, Most of the settlers in the Greta, Moyhu area were primitive Methodists. Good decent honest hardworking people, who loathed the Kelly's and their criminal associates. Most did NOT resort to stealing stock from others.
3. Ned Kelly knew that horse was stolen. Constable Hall did not give perjured evidence, as you claim. The evidence that convicted Ned Kelly was given by one of his associates, James Murdoch, not Hall, as you claim. You could not present one iota of evidence that Hall gave perjured evidence.
4. The Kelly gang was not formed until after the murders at Stringybark Creek.
5. Your claim that Kelly was driven into bushranging as a result of the Fitzpatrick affair is factually wrong. Ned Kelly had a massive stock stealing 'enterprise' that was discovered in NSW and information given by NSW police to Victorian police, and Kelly was leaving a large number of his stolen horses at the Baumgartens property at Barnawatha. Police arrested a number of people in relation to that find and issued a warrant for Ned Kelly for horse stealing. Ned Kelly was hiding from police at his mother's home when the Fitzpatrick incident occurred, after his extensive stock stealing enterprise was closed down by police.
6. The Kelly gang were NEVER seen as symbols of resistance against oppression and injustices that you are falsely alleging. The only record that supports your comments are in pro Kelly authors books, where they made up this nonsense. You could not present one iota of evidence to support your claim, and I challenge you to do so.
7. Supporters of Kelly amounted to, at the most, 250 people, mostly family, extended family and criminal associates, coming from a population of 14,500.
8. The republic theory is a load of fictitious rubbish. Ned Kelly never mentioned a republic. Made up by pro Kelly authors, and now substantially discredited and proved fictitious rot.
9. The Eureka Stockade rebellion was made by decent men with a just cause. Ned Kelly was a serious criminal, who was intent on destroying his local community.
10. Almost everything you have stated has been proved by professional historians to be fictitious rot. You have obviously been reading pro Kelly authors and ignoring the facts.
I also point out that many government entities have removed the Kelly myths from their websites and promotional material. They include the Victorian IBAC, Victorian State Library, National Museum of Australia and many more are removing the myths, including The Ned Kelly Touring Route.
You are repeating fictitious myths with your comments.
@@bradwilliams7212
After reading your long winded '10 point address' all you have to back up your imaginary rebuttal with are the same old law enforcement biased 'opinions'.
You give no evidence but spew out the same dogma and speculation that all these modern revisionists do.
There is very little evidence that Ned Kelly was the 'crime boss' of a stock theft operation that covered Victoria - it is pure police fantasy to excuse their belligerent behaviour towards the Kelly family and other poor Irish Catholic Selectors that had little choice but to steal cattle to survive.
There is no evidence that Ned Kelly was the mysterious Mr J Thompson other than presumption.
Next you will claim Ned Kelly murdered George King in a conflict over the horse stealing racket!
Sorry but it is all hypothetical and baseless fantasy.
No modern author can prove that Ned Kelly was the 'crime boss' of a state wide stock theft operation - but it hasn't stopped them "repeating fictitious myths"!
Sure Ned Kelly boasted of his horse stealing skills - but that doesn't make him the 'crime boss' of Victoria!
You can spout as much biased Kelly-hate as you like - it doesn't alter the facts that the historical documented evidence offers two sides to the Kelly Outbreak debate.
As the Kelly Outbreak is full of muddy history and we simply cannot be sure of a lot of what happened as there are many varied accounts that blur the events.
You can also deny the 'Republic theory' but it doesn't alter the facts that the 1880 constabulary were worried about a guerrilla force in North East Victoria.
You can quibble about the word 'republic' to deflect the debate, but McQuilton discusses it in his 1979 book 'The Kelly Outbreak' with evidence given by Sadleir and Montford.
So regardless of all the demands to dismiss it, there is enough evidence for debate on the 'Republic theory' and i expect it will remain debated for the next 140 years.
I will point out that regardless of your self righteous efforts with 'revisionist government websites', interest in Ned Kelly is becoming bigger every year.
The new $5million 'Ned Kelly Discovery Hub' in Glenrowan and 'The Beechworth Courthouse Kelly Trials Exhibition' will increase tourism and interest in the Kelly Outbreak to a whole new generation and continue to do so. Which is a great thing as Ned Kelly is a pivotal character in Australian history.
You are remarkable in your veracity to claim you know the 'truth' - when all you actually have outlined above is merely a 'version of the truth', mostly spun by others with a modern politically correct agenda, that slyly cover-up or arrogantly ignore any evidence that counters their claims.
@@bradwilliams7212 How about the wealthy land holders who shafted many honest local farmers ? what about Constable Flood stealing horses from innocent farmers ? Always twisting history to counteract your inferiority complex
@@bradwilliams7212 The fact is a Royal Commission into the 'affair' was conducted in early 1881 & resulted in the recommended sacking of two police Superintendents, a police inspector was forcibly retired & several other officers reduced in rank. It was due to the wealthy members of the notorious Melbourne Club & the rich landowners that persuaded the police Commissioner to ignore the recommendations of the Royal Commission. The charge of attempted murder of constable Fitzpatrick by Ned & his brother Dan was found to be false. Fitzpatrick was later dismissed from the police force on several counts & that he 'could not be trusted out of sight & never did his duty'. The police in the bush were notorious for corruption & lagging innocent men for monetary reward from rich land owners who lost livestock. Any man would do so long as the police got their reward. Many innocent people spent years locked up in hell holes while the police conducted themselves like tyrants - which was also raised in the Royal Commission & was one of Ned's grievances. Just look at the police shooting peaceful innocent protesters in Victoria recently & the brutal way they conducted themselves. Nothing has changed in Victoria. I had the privilege of speaking with Ern Straughair from Benalla in 1991. This man knew Jim Kelly, Ned's brother. He told me that during the police stakeout on the Kelly homestead, Kate Kelly was raped by the police when she went for a horse ride. She was 15. She went to Melbourne for a 'holiday' (abortion) & at 35, committed suicide due to the trauma.
He was after all a criminal who stole stuff and murdered some people. He is hardly a divisive character as no one has really herd much about him. I know there is some guy who is a descendant of one of the murdered police or something who goes on television every now and again to suggest that he is a bad chap. But he is hardly a well known figure nowadays. I always remember a sense of pride when Kelly made it into Eric Hobsbawn's book bandits but I suspect the book is out of print
There's a lot of carry on in the comments. You all need to get out more. None of you know the true story.
My comments come from historical documents made at the time and from research by professional historians.
Mono and Mikes comments come directly from fictitious books written by Kelly fans, that have been long proven to be fictitious rot.
If you claim to know the true story, let's see what you have?
@@bradwilliams7212 I don't. No one does. That's my point. You carry on like you were there.
@@bradwilliams7212SebSebastian alt account how sad you are 😂🤡
@@Wests1908 There is considerable documentation from the time that confirms what I have written.
Wow, Let's Go, you've presented info which you should have verified first, two quick examples :
10:11 McIntyre "threw away his weapons." Basic error - he had none to throw away !! Both sides agreed on this, so how did you manage such a balls-up ??!!
10:15 "Lonigan drew his gun and SHOT [cue: dramatic sound effect for emphasis]" Absolutely NOT to be found even in Ned Kelly's version ! Both sides agreed Lonigan did NOT shoot. You definitely get a dislike for this, and I've only watched a randomly chosen half a minute....
By the end of the day he was a criminal and a murderer
Only by the corrupt government which I might add , what about the cop who tried to sexually molest his sister , abusing his power big time…
I think you need to do some research, and try this again!
He was a horse thief and a murderer who was mentored by a bush ranger. he was a villain
And why he's the symbol of courage against tyranny. Pull your nose out of Brads sphincter
@@DeadKennedys-eo1oo Grasping at straws again are we?
@@DeadKennedys-eo1oo William tell was also a symbol of courage against tyranny. But William Tell never existed. So as that example shows, claiming the image of Ned Kelly is a symbol of courage against tyranny tells us NOTHING about Ned Kelly. It simply tells us what people have done with an image.
In fact Kelly was a violent thug a liar horse thief and police killer. There are no FACTS that support ay other view.
@@DeadKennedys-eo1oo Folks there's a compulsive liar on RUclips that trashes all Ned Kelly related video's and Trolls anyone and everyone who makes comments. His name is BRADLEY WILLIAMS aka Sam Sabastian, an overweight lazy frustrated South Australian cop of thirty years
but now he is so much more! and rightfully so.
What ever about Ned Kelly sticking up for the less misfortunes
Justice Redmond Barry is of Cork depending
& & Ned Kelly is of Tipperary dependent
With my ancestors coming from Cork & not terrible Keane of Tipperary people
As some 1 described it as an all Ireland Final I took Justice Redmond Barry's side
And in a recent ironic twist the State Library has moved Ned’s original armour to the Redmond Barry Room.
You say that Lonigan fired at Kelly who then fired back. That is NOT TRUE.
NOBODY , not even Ned Kelly ever claimed that Lonigan fired his revolver. The most Kelly ever said was that he got behind a battery of logs, lifted his head up and was about to fire so Kelly shot him first. That is a very serious and careless mistake that you have made.
In fact, Lonigan was shot within seconds of the order to Bail up as he stepped back and ‘made a motion’ to get his gun out of its buttoned down holster. He didnt have time to get it out let alone get behind a ‘battery of logs’ as the forensic evidence of where he was hit shows .
You also say McINtyre ‘threw away his weapons’ - again NOT TRUE. He was UNARMED. His weapon was in the tent.
You say that Scanlan ‘whipped out his weapon and started firing’. Again NOT TRUE.
His weapon was strapped to his back, he was struggling to get it and was shot long before he was able to use it. He fell off the horse and stumbled onto the ground and was shot again.
You really ought to be embarrassed at having made such a very misleading and factually inaccurate account of the police murders.
Awful isn't it !! He also has Scanlon drawing a PISTOL and blazing away, whereas you and I know it was a longarm.
@@TomasFunes-rt8rd And in fact Scanlan never fired a shot from any weapon at Stringybark Creek, when Ned Kelly murdered him while he was on the ground on all fours and trying to rise.
@@bradwilliams7212 Hi Brad, here's a treat for you : I've uploaded "NED KELLY - The Fitzpatrick Incident, as shown in all the KELLY GANG movies !!" Radically revamped, about 90% fresh compared to the old one. Much harsher on The Last Outlaw this time around....
@@bradwilliams7212 Well they weren't there to play tiddledywinks.
And you know this how? Sorry unless you were there you can't possibly know the truth so fuck off with your false truths