How Much Better is the Vengeance W/ X2 & ISO Mags | Star Trek Online
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- Опубликовано: 1 фев 2024
- The Kelvin Timeline Vengeance Intel Dreadnought Cruiser has always been a good ship in Star Trek Online. Also known as the Vengeance this ship was added to the game in 2016. STO has changed alot since then. In this video I go over had well the ship can do with the addition of X2 and ISO Mags. We will look at an ISO mag build on the Kelvin Timeline Vengeance Intel Dreadnought Cruiser.
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Certainly a powerful ship but combined with Isomags and the latest Meta build, it became extremely one of a kind!
My main toon uses the Vengeance as their primary ship, it was gifted to me many many years ago by a friend and I've loved and used it ever since. Mine has had a variety of builds on it over the years but its currently using a Baul Anitproton Surgical Strikes build with a full set of Isomags and it serves me very well.
I need to get the isomags for mine. I built mine before they came out so it's full Ba'ul AP with locators/exploiters. Even then though, it shreds :D
@@SkydreamPony I'd defo make the switch to isomags, I noticed a pretty big difference personally and they're also cheap as right now unlike the 25m a piece I had to pay
@@SGz_Eliminated That is the plan, and with isomag parts easier to get, all the better. Just that, for now, locators do the job just fine :3
The Vengeance was the first ship i REALLY wanted!! Awesome to see she can still fly so proud!!!
Same
Too true about how most ships don't age well over time & the Vengeance is one of those exceptions. I had not even thought about how it would be with IsoMags. Thanks for the vid.
Thank you for this information. I haven't played STO in a while, and I'm signing back on today. It seems that I have a lot to catch up on. Thanks again.
While I will never spend the Lobi or EC on a single character unlock, the solid build theory here could apply to many 5/3 cruisers. The Fleet Shepard (Gagarin) would be a monster with all the X upgrades and this kind of build.
thanks MCSTU, i dug this ship out to start upgrading my different ships for dailies. Great video!
I am running FAW on my Styx. I have seen several people playing the Vengeance once again and I see why. Time for me to run it again. It used to be my favorite ship for a long time.
So far I agree....don't have some the various traits you used and missing the Domino and M6 but she does have a nice punch!
As the player with the highest FAW record at 1.7 million, it was super surprising to see FAW do old school damage again. Gives me more to work with and play around.😂
Runs about 300 million on the exchange.
Yawn... someone should give you a Navy Cert of Achievement for all the money you cost the VA to play video games. Typical Dawgy!
240 mil
Excellent video - just what I’ve been looking for. I love this ship. I need to get the ISO-mags which I just learned about them. If you have a chance, I’d like to see more builds for this. Thank-you.
I have a similar setup on mine but am running pulse phasers and i use it as a daily runner. Really solid ship. Need to fine tune it and parse it just for kicks.
Another great video! Thanks!
Awesome vid, I need to put this on my Vengence.
the vengeence is my main ship, i have it built to be a tank and i use fire at will to get as much threat as possible with Ba'ul antiproton beams. love this ship a ton, now i just gotta figure out how to get isomags, just learned about them this past week
Ive personally run the vengence for 6 years and i love it. Its by far my best tank build. 215k hull with 56% damage resistance, dps is 30k most critical hits so its great for team supporters. Ive updated to a lexington build which gives an extra univeral with its miracle worker trait. Its not as much a tank like the vengeance though, so i still prefer the vengeance. Great video
i Like the Style off the ship looks great
I go back and fourth between my Vengeance and Enterprise J (my only T6 ships, both upgraded to X2), my most recent build on the Vengeance uses Tetryon weapons and isomags. I recently switched back to my Enterprise J and have that as a Phaser build with isomags. I like them both.
man i never got on the isomag thing since they were so expensive and even after this new isomag farm and prices coming down, i was feeling kind of lazy and didn't really want to get into it.
Long story short, I setup my vengeance just now with 7 isomags and O M G.....yeah the crit chance number is lower but holy shit that made a MASSIVE DPS difference. This thing is so crazy now! Gonna have to refit some of my other cruisers now as well!
Here's a fun idea, USS Vengeance vs The Warbird Scimitar
Thanks for doing this video. I have the vengeance on my "main" Engy toon. But I don't exactly have a great build for it. I still need to get phaser Isomags on it, but that toon already has 4 vulnerability locators... so there's definitely a "sunk cost" feeling.
All that said, I have been having fun messing with Miracle worker boff seating on the Legendary Sovereign class now. Narrow Sensor Bands 1+2 is just gross when you're surrounded by enemies. But your choice of intel boff abilities on the vengeance is certainly interesting... I may use your build as a template to fix mine, lol.
I love using this ship. I run a similar build excepts I am running Surgical Strikes instead of Fire at Will.
This ship is and will always be my main, I’ve put tons of work into it, and the ship while it may not deal PvP levels of damage, it’s a jack of all trades, and can survive by itself if needed against hoards.
Have and use it on my main tac as a main ship! (alternating with the legendary scimitar) Got it in the 50% lobi sale months after the first campaign event, glad I saved the lobi from that for so long
Even though I don't use the uncon trait, nor the isomags, it deals and tanks a ton of damage with the colony consoles, it's crazy how much potential you can still get out of those combined with a handful of nice-to-have consoles (running disruptors with the Martok 2pc, a Pax Triburnium, and the new Hisperian fire console), tackles elites with no problem! Bonus: it doesn't end the fun as fast as full meta setups haha
remember having of these, its a power house, i called mine judge. down side it draws alot of fire
My personal weapon build for Ships like this, I suggest for the fore weapons, Two beam arrays, Two Omni's And One torpedo. In the Aft I equip two beam arrays, and torpedo. Then I always have at least 5 weapons on the front or aft.
Was gifted it yesterday by some dude on Risa. Very cool thing, although I still feel that it's unearned, I was going to farm lobi for it
Great vid... I've been juggling the idea of the Vengeance Vs the Inquiry for the Campaign Event this year. I really like tihs ship, but I do personally prefer MW ships however, so right now the Inquiry is looking like the better ship for me. But that may very well be subject to change!
You could still get both. The Vengeance is very cheap on the exchange. Get yourself the inquiry with the Campaign and save up for the Vengeance later if ever you change your mind. My goal is to get the Legendary Dominion ship for the trait to extend Surgical Strikes 3.
@@pershing3346 Good thinking, thanks for the advice o7
Have mine, and still use the Kelvin Phasers & Torps (gold XVs) and probably won't change simply because of the firing rates, although most everything else is setup the way yours is, although I'm running a slightly different Eng console setup.
It is cool ship, I have it for my alt char, some people say its ugly ship but I think they are probably just jealous. lol I always get a "flash back" of the movie when I see that ship.
I liked this ship so much that I bought the Mudd’s bundle featuring it so all my characters can use it.
Just got back to STO, stopped playing right before this ship came out. It was THE ship I wanted, so much so that I'm playing again, in this ship;). Now to figure out what rep to get and where to get all those toys you're running....
I don’t have the ship, but it is one of the first Lobbi ships I will be wanting to get
I have it on my Red Hood character just need level mastery just little bit more for the trait & yes planning to run Iso Mags got some Sci ones just need the Engineering ones. 🖖💜👌
...never even knew about the ISO Mags lol. Guess I'll look into setting up my Vengeance, and see if I should pour in the resources to upgrade everything to Epic quality.
returning player and the iso mags being in the game have made me want to push up to elite content again.
Never got the Lobi crystals to buy it but it is my favorite ship in the game
Yes it is I have one. with Iso mag it gives you all then bells Booms
Watched an old Inquiry build vid the other day. Unpopular opinion but actually like the look (deflector kinda has that Thunderbird 2 "belly" flow).
Checked out C-store to see if I could buy it, but couldnt find it. So I went on to do a space dmg endeavour, looking through my active ship slots for a Tetryon build....and there's an actual Inquiry there.
No idea how or when I got it as I normally only buy C-store, not lockbox ships...Anyways, it slaps harder then any other of my ships.
Morale of the story, go check your drydock/active ship slots!
well i'm writing this comment before watching all of the vid.
thing is ever since I got my Vengeance I've been recommending it and on my opinion its one of the best ships in the lobi store (I play on ps4 and CsV just does not hold up there compared to BoL and other stuff )
my most beloved ship on my main fed (my main main main character).. i wanted it ever since i saw someone flying it.... and since then i gotten sozens of t6 event ships ... .but i still ONLY use this ship.
Been thinking about possibly aquiring a Kelvin timeline ship🤔
I remember (unless I'm losing my memory) when the Kelvin verse started, and I forget who was the CM at the time, but when asked about the ships from the movies, he said it would be a cold day in hell before they would be in STO.
Or something to that effect. Then they left, and not long after...here we are.
Or, I could be having an alternate timeline memory.
Possible.
The Kelvin ships have been in the game since before I started playing...
I have this ship on account unlock. Still haven't done anything with it but it is x2ed already. I might have to try something like this on mine.
I haven't broke this ship out in a while, love the kelvin phasers for it and torpedo. Not sure how well isomags would go with a faw build.
Gagarin for Entwined Tactical Matrices. Ghemor Cardassian Intel Flight Deck Cruiser for Calm before the Storm
I put the colony tac consoles on it and the Herold AP weapons, it's a POWERHOUSE
Thank you for the video. Guess it's time dust off the old Vengeance 😎😎😎
i bet someone has mentioned it already but you are actually running the Disco 3pc. (Wide Angle DHBB) 16:17. And also 17:21 The Adaptive Emergency Systems console (which I love-Diet DPRM) is only for Odyssey, Bortasqu & Scimitar ships. UPDATE: I just slotted the Adaptive Emercency System to my Kelvin Intel Dreadnought Cruiser. So I'll be over here, standing corrected.
Sounds nice. Would the "Experimental Power Redirection Computer" from the Excelsior II and the "Assisted Flight Algorithms" for flanking damage also be a good choice for that build? :)
I am finding it good so far with a SS3 build, with dual beam and beam mix.
The Vengeance is one of my favourite ships in STO, i ready like the play style of cruisers.
Have you tried using the phasers from the Constitution III the ones with the 210 degree fire arc instead of the dual beam banks?
The Vengeance is the ship i use on my main on my FTP account and just outfitted it with Isomags a very good ship.
yes
Is the competitive reputation impulse engine ever going to be outclassed? 😆 That turn boost is just so awesome.
Probably not.
I love my Vengance: USS Thundergod.
Meta weapons come in both beam and cannon, I use both FAW and CSW. I had more Tac seats than tac abilities to slot anyways. Terran Task Force Cannon and beam, Discovery beam, remainder cannons. Use both Trillithium Enhanced turret and Trilithium Enhanced omni beam in the back. Opinion on this tactic?
Did I miss what duty officers you are using? Maybe that will be on the full build video?
hi, great video
Could you tell me the name of the personal space trait in the first row of the 5th slot with the icon with the box. I can't find this anywhere
Same here no clue.
Intel Handler from the Last Generation Lockbox
I wonder how the atlas prototype dreadnought would do now with iso mags
This build is HOT also, for iso mag builds im seeing the general consensus to have 6 of em, this true? Cheers
I like this ship I just wish there was a way to get it for newer players who don't have the time to spend 20 straight days playing for event rewards or those that don't want to spend crazy amounts of $$ opening lock boxes to get enough lobi to get it, I've had friends who were new to STO and have seen mine and when I told them how to get it they pretty much gave up on ever getting it on their characters.
Would an extra isomag do better than the butterfly console in the tac slot (replaced with the lorcator instead)?
I am not sure which ship has it now but the M6 Computer is listed as being on the Perseus Temporal Battlecruiser via the wiki.....but it is not there. Any idea what ship it is on?
How did you get the 2nd hot bar
use the shuttles that give heals on it. thats what I do.
And last time I checked this ship was less than 250 million on the Exchange. So it's an incredible value for what it can do. Don't go wasting lobi on it.
This ship is a MONSTER if done right.
when I watch your videos I feel like crying because I see your inventories and the parts you mount on your ships which are all mk 14 because then I see my poor inventories and my ships with mk 12 parts
Actually picked up a Vengeance and my first isomags this week to run with SS3 & Vanguard Specialists.
Only regret is that I’m basically out 200M EC because I’m absolutely getting the Vengeance account-wide later.
Not too sure about your needs but wouldn't it be better for you to buy one the the Mudd Bundles? Obviously I know nothing of your play style or if you are completely F2P.
@@pershing3346 Oh that's what I mean by getting it account-wide later. I wish I hadn't missed the bundle coming back at 50% by two weeks, we'll see if I'm still invested when it rolls around again.
@@ComradeNexus I would seriously wait for a 75% off. That place is a ripoff!
Feels like a section 31 vanity
I have a ship named USS Aragon... My name. Always surprised to see it elsewhere.
In doing away with engineering resistances and advanced tacticals . is there a level/ship loadout where there is a disadvantage to swap over to isomags?
If your ship has more engineering and universal consoles than it does tactical consoles, then use the isomags. So for escorts stick with spire consoles, etc. Also, it doesn’t matter for science ships if you’re using science abilities as your main damage output.
On console ( over ride sub system safety ) is not 5 seconds but only 2.5 seconds
So I think I need isomags for KDV.
If the Tarren warp core was not nerfed it would be better . That baby would red line 130 in all subs at a great rate Just think if it worked right with ISo mags today . Then it slowed to a Turtle pace 1 year after it came out ! All any reports that where call in Forum pretty much killed Erased. All bug report never addressed ! The Terran Task Force Quantum Capacitor Warp Core WAS the First ISO mag !
The best ship in the game
My main toon flies this ship.
Is it weird to say that I don't want big numbers, just that things to die?
How do you get your hot bars split like that?
Hit ESC, select Rearrange HUD, there should be a NEW Button on the Big Personal Tray #1 which enables #2
Isomags are meh compared to Fleet Crit/Damage. No reason to reinvent the wheel just to keep up with Dawgy Dick Games. Have fun and KISS: Keep It Simple Starfleet! In other words just have fun! Good job on the video, you are still great (much better than Dawgy) at hosting! Cheers!
What would be the upgrade from this ship? Been running this a very long time.
...there IS no upgrade to this ship!
hi there i have this ship but its on my f2p so what do i use for a build for this ship i dont have hi levle stuff for it so i find it slow so i gess i dont know how to set up a build for it can u help in any way and thank u for vid
These two videos should help:
ruclips.net/video/8TDDEom-Jfo/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/qd0VoI3-asw/видео.html
I need just 30mil. EC to buy it. Saving EC for years
(I)nfected (S)pace (A)dvanced difficulty. Took me a while too.
Whoops, that was supposed to be a reply to a post.
I'm kind of new and maybe mistaken but I haven't been able to find this ship in the lobi store anymore.
This is how it is listed in the lobi store: Kelvin Timeline Intel Dreadnought Cruiser [T6]
@MCStu ok ill look again. Thanks alot!
30:10 why change ETM? It works for FAW and CSV...i also use it with torps in my sci toon
Yes you are correct. But if you were going to do CSV, you get better up time and can extend a higher rank of CSV with Withering Barrage than you can with ETM. ETM only give rank one of the firing modes.
@@MCStu I'm using cannons with 5 toons, out of 8, just an excuse to use the Rex ship, also, being an ftp that started playing a year ago focusing on beams, i just started doing cannons more after the klingon recruit...ETM will give me Torp Spread 1 when i activate CSV 3 and while on cool down i'll use Torp Spread 2 and will get CSV 1...having Inertial Supremacy sloted, debuffs foes with AoE attacks, it's good to have AoE firing modes up non stop...Mixed Armaments Synergy also helps to give CSV1 a bit more punch...
I just think that Withering Barrage and ETM work great together.
My dream ship for STO, how would I go about getting this ship? Is it still available ?
Player exchange or lobi store.
Terran raider is the same ship minus the pets
What about Surgical Strikes build on this ship? With vanguard trait and now isomags.
I meant the mention that. Yes, Very good Surgical Strikes ship.
@@MCStu It would be good to see and some Surgical Strikes build and how it performes in elite environment. I think that most of the part it is similar build.
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I have a cannon build for the Vengence simply called "Brrrt", its a lot of fun :D
I think I found a bug with this ship, I created a bunch of advance Sci or the Advance Eng consoles and they grey out, not able to slot them on this ship
It you have spire tac conoles equipt, you have to remove them first. Can't have both.
oh ok, yea I had it sloted @@MCStu
yep it now able to be sloted, so thanks.
Can you do a kelvin intel battel cruser?
Son'a Intel Battlecruiser that also a great ship.
@@stue2298 I ment to add kelvin intel battle cruser
@@ZR117 ok 😀
ship is actually almost a decade old, came out in 2016
8 years now.
imo the only good c annons for scatter volley use are the wide arcs.... unless you are looking for second effects like the terran or quantum phasers have, which you might has well pair up with quad cannons... but then what do I know since I use rapid fire abilities with beam overload and either torpedo spread and that other torpedo one.....
.. that ruin of our enemies comes from the d7 miracle worker carrier.... I do not have throw away money for that....even when its on sale
I have been flying it since the ship came out. I use it has a extreme tank. I have it at 292000 hull.
my vengeance has gone from a 156k to 230k
Have this ship, I do. Play with it still but switch over to others I like. I still have yet to try the iso's on it. But I think FAW is becoming over used. So I'm going to plan building it Surgical Strikes see were it goes. Shittiest part is, Khan describes the ship on film and we get something that is not even that close in maneuver ability and combat as it should be.
It's funny, I've been doing builds like this for years. Everyone was just doing the same beam overload or scatter volley builds lol. Isomags are certainly better. Gotta get the vengence out, it has been a while
wouldn't buy this from the lobi store as it is suuuuuper cheap now on exchange (relateively speaking)! Got mine a couple months ago for like 198 mill.
Very good point.