I have heard and seen the Milwaukee body to head has a slight wiggle. The Dewalt is solid but cost $100 cheaper in MAX vs Fuel. So if your just doing a few connections or a couple jobs here and there I would get the Dewalt. But if your doing daily or weekly use the Milwaukee. Side note: the Dewalt heads are $50 a piece versus Milwaukee is around $80. So, it's nice to know both heads work on both tools.
@MrSki-tyvm i tried 2 of these dce410 dewalts. Both had a separation from the threads to the head when stretching, especially 1 inch and up, which would make a noticeable click like they were under a lot of stress while m12 didn't. They both have value. The dewalt can do more sizes, and the m12 is smaller, lighter, and faster. I'm honestly surprised these two are the only brands making pex expanders
Great review! Throwing them on a scale to do a weight comparison would be helpful, the main draw to M12 tools for me is the light weight for working overhead all day.
@zackbongle9967 in my recent video of the DCE410 you'd see the weight came out to 6 lbs 8.6 oz. As for the m12 it was about 4 lbs 6 Oz. Both measured without batteries or heads as weight with both can of course vary by configuration
You know younger me like 12yrs ago would have been like "what the hell does a little weight difference make?" Fast forward to today knowing what I know and have dealt with, that is almost a deal breaker question!" Because if you gotta use that damn thing for 6-8hrs picking it up, putting it down, setting it aside, getting it again, or at that damn elevated angle where your are just starts to give and you gotta get the blood flowing through them so they don't feel like they're gonna go numb, it can really be a thing especially if you gotta use that tool almost everyday, or many hours in a day, it's just wild how when I was younger I would have just been so clueless.
A note from a professional plumber. I tried comparing the rapid seal heads and the regular ones. You actually lose time with the rapid seals. Hear me out. I've compared both side by side on the job, in summer & recently in winter in a house remodel I'm finishing tomorrow. The rapid seal heads simply don't expand the pipe & ring as much. I usually expand 3-4 times once it bottoms out. And i started having problems getting the fittings in if i didn't rush to stab them in. So i ended up having to expand 5-7 times in the summer and 4-5 last week (mid November). So i think the regular heads save you time and money. Even in semi cold weather it doesn't take that long for the ring & pipe to close. Especially if you're putting your hand on the ring as you hold them together. And if you're a pro, you should be putting a heat gun on every joint anyway, even in the mid summer day. Especially if you needed to spin the fitting inside the pipe after joining them to get another fitting in or to get the tool in a tight spot.
@djaa7 always appreciate hearing different perspectives. It gets cold in my neck of the woods so winter performance with tools is something I look for. I get the appeal of rapid seal heads but as you said it is not that those heads make the fittings seal faster it is that they don't expand as much to minimize time before pressure testing. In the end, price can be the deciding factor. From my experience, I didn't have trouble with the fittings going in but certainly it is less forgiving than standard milwaukee and dewalt heads Happy Thanksgiving btw 🦃
I just feel bad that I got this tool from a dude who might have bailed on a deal but left this weird little tool and some other stuff in a trade for a watch, but knowing that someone somewhere really could use one of these things just hits different now adays.
@TOOL_TECHNICAL yeah a broken Movado Bold, it was probably that single most disrespectful excuse for a $650 price tag watch (I just found the watch and wanted to make it work but when I took the back plate off, my man lemme tell you what) ok you know those little toy watches you can get from like a dollar general, ok well that watch from a dollar store is probably bad more effort put into it and craftsmanship than that $650 sorry excuse for a watch was (of you RUclips replacing the battery on a MOVADO BOLD watch) you'll see what I mean, but yeah man it's wild
great review! Next can you do a review of the smaller DEWALT 1" DCE400 against the 1" M12? And a separate review of the Milwaukee M18 1-1/2" Tool vs this DEWALT 1-1/2" tool?
unfortunately I had to return them both - both dewalts I had had the heads coming out slightly during the hardest part of the expansion, as for the m12, the 1" expander head had 2 loose jaws. If you want my honest opinion for the models you recommended I'd say dce400 vs m12 fuel m12 wins, M18 vs dce410 for 1-1/2" m18 wins for speed but price 100% for dewalt! The M18 expander is $1000+ kit only and the the fuel m18 expander is 1800 without tax or delivery!
@danpidde9729 really doesn't matter here, the m18 non-fuel is 1000 bucks and the dewalt is only able to beat it with a 5 ah battery with one size. The fuel m18 expander is 1800 and even faster. There's nothing unfair here. Even the m12 fuel is faster but given the stress of 1" to 1-1/2" I'd leave it to the dewalt for versatility. If you're in a rush any of the milwaukees will do as well.
The normal DEWALT expander is faster than the Milwaukee fuel. The Milwaukee is also junk, the top of the expander is loose on every one I’ve seen, between the cheap junky plastic and the metal head there is okay. The Milwaukee handle is uncomfortable as hell too. Compare that dewalt to the 1-1/2” Milwaukee. It’s slower because it’s designed to expand 1-1/2” pex and that Milwaukee is designed for 1”
I agree with you on the dewalt it definitely gets the job done (haven't used the smaller dce400) but as far as the m12 fuel I didn't notice any loose parts. as for the dce410 I noticed on both (I made 2 videos each with a different tool) both of them had the metal head flex out to a noticeable gap the further up the pipe size you go. as a lefty the stupid lock button on the left side makes me shift my grip away from the rubber handle toward the plastic upper half. Both have pros and cons. Thanks for sharing!
You hate Milwaukee just because you hate Milwaukee. I've had my m12 expander for 3 years and even dropped it twice from ceiling height and nothing is loose. Both brands use polyethylene plastics for their tools. Handle shape is your personal choice. I used my friends DeWalt just to try it and i saw no purpose for the shape of the handle being more like a drill or pistol grip. Completely irrelevant since one doesn't need to push forward on the tool. In fact, the shape of the DeWalt makes it harder to hold when working in odd angles. The m18 expander goes to 2 inches and there is literally no point in using the m12 for pipe diameter larger than 1. And the m18 is still faster than DeWalt's options as there is absolutely no purpose in having the pusher go back in so far since the heads don't change operation from it. It's just poor design by DeWalt making the shank travel farther than is required for the heads.
1" PEX is the max capacity for the m12 so it makes sense, however it definitely has the speed on the dewalt as well as the size/weight. can't go wrong with either tho :)
I have heard and seen the Milwaukee body to head has a slight wiggle. The Dewalt is solid but cost $100 cheaper in MAX vs Fuel. So if your just doing a few connections or a couple jobs here and there I would get the Dewalt. But if your doing daily or weekly use the Milwaukee. Side note: the Dewalt heads are $50 a piece versus Milwaukee is around $80. So, it's nice to know both heads work on both tools.
@MrSki-tyvm i tried 2 of these dce410 dewalts. Both had a separation from the threads to the head when stretching, especially 1 inch and up, which would make a noticeable click like they were under a lot of stress while m12 didn't. They both have value. The dewalt can do more sizes, and the m12 is smaller, lighter, and faster. I'm honestly surprised these two are the only brands making pex expanders
Thanks for the review!
Happy to help!
Great review! Throwing them on a scale to do a weight comparison would be helpful, the main draw to M12 tools for me is the light weight for working overhead all day.
@zackbongle9967 in my recent video of the DCE410 you'd see the weight came out to 6 lbs 8.6 oz. As for the m12 it was about 4 lbs 6 Oz. Both measured without batteries or heads as weight with both can of course vary by configuration
You know younger me like 12yrs ago would have been like "what the hell does a little weight difference make?" Fast forward to today knowing what I know and have dealt with, that is almost a deal breaker question!" Because if you gotta use that damn thing for 6-8hrs picking it up, putting it down, setting it aside, getting it again, or at that damn elevated angle where your are just starts to give and you gotta get the blood flowing through them so they don't feel like they're gonna go numb, it can really be a thing especially if you gotta use that tool almost everyday, or many hours in a day, it's just wild how when I was younger I would have just been so clueless.
A note from a professional plumber.
I tried comparing the rapid seal heads and the regular ones. You actually lose time with the rapid seals. Hear me out.
I've compared both side by side on the job, in summer & recently in winter in a house remodel I'm finishing tomorrow.
The rapid seal heads simply don't expand the pipe & ring as much. I usually expand 3-4 times once it bottoms out. And i started having problems getting the fittings in if i didn't rush to stab them in.
So i ended up having to expand 5-7 times in the summer and 4-5 last week (mid November).
So i think the regular heads save you time and money. Even in semi cold weather it doesn't take that long for the ring & pipe to close. Especially if you're putting your hand on the ring as you hold them together.
And if you're a pro, you should be putting a heat gun on every joint anyway, even in the mid summer day. Especially if you needed to spin the fitting inside the pipe after joining them to get another fitting in or to get the tool in a tight spot.
@djaa7 always appreciate hearing different perspectives. It gets cold in my neck of the woods so winter performance with tools is something I look for. I get the appeal of rapid seal heads but as you said it is not that those heads make the fittings seal faster it is that they don't expand as much to minimize time before pressure testing. In the end, price can be the deciding factor. From my experience, I didn't have trouble with the fittings going in but certainly it is less forgiving than standard milwaukee and dewalt heads
Happy Thanksgiving btw 🦃
I just feel bad that I got this tool from a dude who might have bailed on a deal but left this weird little tool and some other stuff in a trade for a watch, but knowing that someone somewhere really could use one of these things just hits different now adays.
he traded this and some tools for a watch?
@TOOL_TECHNICAL yeah a broken Movado Bold, it was probably that single most disrespectful excuse for a $650 price tag watch (I just found the watch and wanted to make it work but when I took the back plate off, my man lemme tell you what) ok you know those little toy watches you can get from like a dollar general, ok well that watch from a dollar store is probably bad more effort put into it and craftsmanship than that $650 sorry excuse for a watch was (of you RUclips replacing the battery on a MOVADO BOLD watch) you'll see what I mean, but yeah man it's wild
great review! Next can you do a review of the smaller DEWALT 1" DCE400 against the 1" M12? And a separate review of the Milwaukee M18 1-1/2" Tool vs this DEWALT 1-1/2" tool?
unfortunately I had to return them both - both dewalts I had had the heads coming out slightly during the hardest part of the expansion, as for the m12, the 1" expander head had 2 loose jaws. If you want my honest opinion for the models you recommended I'd say dce400 vs m12 fuel m12 wins, M18 vs dce410 for 1-1/2" m18 wins for speed but price 100% for dewalt! The M18 expander is $1000+ kit only and the the fuel m18 expander is 1800 without tax or delivery!
Ty
thank you :)
the head size is a factor. if you have to jam it up in a tight space
100% this thing has a bigger head than me!
@@TOOL_TECHNICAL that's what she said...
If you are going to compare apples to apples, compare the DCE410 to the Milwaukee version that can also handle 1-1/2" tubing.
@danpidde9729 really doesn't matter here, the m18 non-fuel is 1000 bucks and the dewalt is only able to beat it with a 5 ah battery with one size. The fuel m18 expander is 1800 and even faster. There's nothing unfair here. Even the m12 fuel is faster but given the stress of 1" to 1-1/2" I'd leave it to the dewalt for versatility. If you're in a rush any of the milwaukees will do as well.
The normal DEWALT expander is faster than the Milwaukee fuel. The Milwaukee is also junk, the top of the expander is loose on every one I’ve seen, between the cheap junky plastic and the metal head there is okay. The Milwaukee handle is uncomfortable as hell too. Compare that dewalt to the 1-1/2” Milwaukee. It’s slower because it’s designed to expand 1-1/2” pex and that Milwaukee is designed for 1”
I agree with you on the dewalt it definitely gets the job done (haven't used the smaller dce400) but as far as the m12 fuel I didn't notice any loose parts. as for the dce410 I noticed on both (I made 2 videos each with a different tool) both of them had the metal head flex out to a noticeable gap the further up the pipe size you go. as a lefty the stupid lock button on the left side makes me shift my grip away from the rubber handle toward the plastic upper half. Both have pros and cons. Thanks for sharing!
You hate Milwaukee just because you hate Milwaukee.
I've had my m12 expander for 3 years and even dropped it twice from ceiling height and nothing is loose.
Both brands use polyethylene plastics for their tools.
Handle shape is your personal choice. I used my friends DeWalt just to try it and i saw no purpose for the shape of the handle being more like a drill or pistol grip. Completely irrelevant since one doesn't need to push forward on the tool. In fact, the shape of the DeWalt makes it harder to hold when working in odd angles.
The m18 expander goes to 2 inches and there is literally no point in using the m12 for pipe diameter larger than 1. And the m18 is still faster than DeWalt's options as there is absolutely no purpose in having the pusher go back in so far since the heads don't change operation from it. It's just poor design by DeWalt making the shank travel farther than is required for the heads.
The milluake seems to bog down. The dewalt sounds more powerful
1" PEX is the max capacity for the m12 so it makes sense, however it definitely has the speed on the dewalt as well as the size/weight. can't go wrong with either tho :)
@@TOOL_TECHNICALu gotta buy the 6.0 M12 batteries for the pex fuel gun